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Sean O'Connell Show w/Bill Riley - Full POD 7-2-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 4: when I touched up.
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  Speaker 6: Russell will get bound at half fourth, stuck him unto
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  Speaker 6: three to get ahead. So stuck Jo sends the Utah
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  Speaker 6: Jessy Envy Finals Robbie Russell now with a chance to
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  Speaker 6: send RSL home as Cup champions.
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  Speaker 7: Saunder's on his line. Russell approaches.
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  Speaker 4: The two thousand times Scott Zambims Zambia, Tim the.
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  Speaker 8: Salt Lake Same.
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  Speaker 1: This is a special edition of The Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 1: hosted by Bill Riley on Utah's number one Sports Talk
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  Speaker 1: and your Home of the Utes ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 1: ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 1: Here's three times Utah Sports Broadcaster of the Year and
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  Speaker 1: Voice of the Utes.
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  Speaker 3: Bill Riley, Hey thereon good morning, Welcome in to the
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  Speaker 3: Shan O'Connell Show. I'm Bill Riley Pinch hitting for Sean
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  Speaker 3: today in the air chair at the Broadway Media Studios
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  Speaker 3: here in downtown Salt Lake City. So good to be
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  Speaker 3: with you today, wherever you may be on this early
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  Speaker 3: Thursday as we ramp up to the fourth of July weekend.
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  Speaker 3: I am here with you for the next three hours.
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  Speaker 3: We've got a great show lined up for you today.
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  Speaker 3: We've got to touch on a little bit of everything.
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  Speaker 3: I got so excited coming in listening to one of
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  Speaker 3: my all time favorite highlights, the Robbie Russell PK goal
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  Speaker 3: against the La Galaxy that gave rsl it's MLS Cup
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  Speaker 3: back in two thousand and nine. Why am I excited
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  Speaker 3: Because I have got soccer and World Cup fever right now.
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  Speaker 3: I was lucky enough to attend the Germany and Paraguay
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  Speaker 3: match on Monday in Boston at Boston Stadium aka Gillette Stadium,
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  Speaker 3: and it was on PK's as well, and you just
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  Speaker 3: can't help but get wrapped up in all of the
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  Speaker 3: excitement that is sport right now. And yes, I loved
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  Speaker 3: every moment of the eighteen years I got to be
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  Speaker 3: one of the voices of Rayale Salt Lake and that
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  Speaker 3: was one of the pin moments right there. And watching
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  Speaker 3: the World Cup has brought back so many great memories
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  Speaker 3: for me.
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  Speaker 7: We're going to talk some World Cup.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna talk to US men's national team beating Bosnia
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  Speaker 3: last night two to nothing, their first knockout round win
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  Speaker 3: since two thousand and two when they took out L three.
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  Speaker 3: But of course with the wind became came a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of bittersweet bittersweetness last night with the Floya Flowbolligan
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  Speaker 3: getting the red card after scoring the early goal. Up
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  Speaker 3: next for the United States it would be Belgium coming
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  Speaker 3: up on Monday night in Seattle. Maybe America's best soccer city.
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  Speaker 3: I say that because that highlight that I just referenced
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  Speaker 3: took place in Seattle at what was then I believe
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  Speaker 3: quest Field. Now, of course it's Lumen Field, home of
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  Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks, but it is one of the great
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  Speaker 3: soccer cities. It will be a definitive home field advantage
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  Speaker 3: for the United States on Monday night. We're to talk
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  Speaker 3: about that match, last night's match and more. My good
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  Speaker 3: friend RSL. Broadcast partner back in the day and my
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  Speaker 3: current broadcast partner on Utah Soccer on ESPN Plus. Jay
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  Speaker 3: Nley is going to join us here at about five
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  Speaker 3: or six minutes to discuss the win last night, what
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  Speaker 3: it means for the United States, how they make up
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  Speaker 3: for the loss of flow Balligan, and of course what
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  Speaker 3: Belgium presents. We'll talk about the other games as well. Today.
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  Speaker 3: We'll have a game actually kicking off while we're still
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  Speaker 3: on the air about one o'clock this afternoon. Three games
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  Speaker 3: today on the dock at Spain and Austria go at one,
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  Speaker 3: Portugal and Croatia, which should be a terrific game go
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  Speaker 3: at five, and and of course at nine o'clock the
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  Speaker 3: late night game tonight Switzerland and Algeria.
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  Speaker 1: Go.
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  Speaker 7: All of those games on the Fox family of networks.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, we'll talk about it as well with Jeff Carlisle,
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  Speaker 3: who has covered US men's national team soccer for decades
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  Speaker 3: now for ESPN. Jeff was at the game last night
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  Speaker 3: at Levi Stadium or San Francisco Area State in the
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  Speaker 3: Bay Area South Bay Area, So we'll talk to Jeff
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  Speaker 3: Carlyle coming up about his thoughts on this team because
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  Speaker 3: he's covered a number of World Cups, He's covered a
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  Speaker 3: number of US men's national teams. What makes this one unique?
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  Speaker 3: There's a question, is this the best of all time?
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  Speaker 3: We'll answer that one, or at least ask the question
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  Speaker 3: of Jeff Carlyle coming up. It would not be a
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  Speaker 3: show filling in for Sean if I didn't get a
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  Speaker 3: chance to talk to Gordiy Chiasa and I get an
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  Speaker 3: hour of Gordy Chiasa today. Gord will be in studio
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  Speaker 3: with me beginning at about eleven thirty or so. We'll
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  Speaker 3: talk to him about all the jazz comings and goings.
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  Speaker 3: Walker Kessler no longer a jazz man traded to the
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  Speaker 3: LA Lakers. Did the Jazz get enough? Did they get
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  Speaker 3: enough with the two first round picks of the pick swaps?
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk to Gordy about that. What you know, are
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  Speaker 3: they just gonna piecemeal the center position together now with
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  Speaker 3: Nurkic and Hayes.
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  Speaker 7: Are they done?
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk to Gordy about that, Jalen Brown being dealt,
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  Speaker 3: So we'll talk to NBA free agency and the upcot
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  Speaker 3: coming season with a Utah Jazz with Gordy Chiasa, gonna
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  Speaker 3: mix in a little Utah football today as well. We
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  Speaker 3: are exactly sixty three days until kickoff nine weeks can
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  Speaker 3: you believe it, folks, nine weeks from today the Utes
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  Speaker 3: and the Idaho Vandals up at Rice Eckel Stadium. We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna talk some Utah football today with former Utah grad
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  Speaker 3: the all time leading rusher in University of Utah football history,
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  Speaker 3: Zach Moss is gonna swing by today and we'll talk
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  Speaker 3: to him a little bit about the upcoming season. We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna get his thoughts on this new Utah offense. Is
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  Speaker 3: Wayshan Parker the definitive bellcow?
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  Speaker 7: Does he like that?
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  Speaker 3: Or is it running back by committee? When Zach was
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  Speaker 3: toting the pig skin, it was kind of him and others.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll talk to him a little bit about that
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  Speaker 3: Big twelve Media days a next week. I know Shawn
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  Speaker 3: and Spence are gonna be down there doing their shows.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be down there for my full time gig
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  Speaker 3: as director broadcasting at the University of Utah, creating content
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  Speaker 3: and doing a bunch of stuff there.
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  Speaker 7: So we'll talk some Utah football today.
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  Speaker 3: I expect that Utah will be picked third in a
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  Speaker 3: Big twelve preseason well, actually I say that, and there
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  Speaker 3: may not be a Big twelve preseason poll. There wasn't
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  Speaker 3: last year, remember after the whole Arizona State fiasco. And
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  Speaker 3: to think now, I think about that, and I filled
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  Speaker 3: out my preseason ballot for the All Big twelve team,
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  Speaker 3: but I was not given a one through sixteen ballot.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess that they probably are not going to
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  Speaker 3: do a preseason ballot again this year since they didn't
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  Speaker 3: do one last year. But I will say that I
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  Speaker 3: would have expected had a ballot a preseason poll came
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  Speaker 3: out that if Utah would probably be picked third.
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  Speaker 7: So that's my expectation.
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  Speaker 3: If you look at the way too early conference predictions,
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  Speaker 3: most everybody has Texas Tech number one, byu number two,
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  Speaker 3: and Utah number three. At least that's how they have
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  Speaker 3: them in the rankings and the way too early top
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  Speaker 3: twenty fives.
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  Speaker 7: So I wouldn't expect that to be any different.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say this today and I will stand
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  Speaker 3: on this point, but I will die on this hill
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  Speaker 3: that I do believe that the University of Utah will
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  Speaker 3: play for the Big twelve title game this year.
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  Speaker 5: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I think they will be one of the top two
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  Speaker 3: teams in the league when the season ends, I do
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  Speaker 3: I expect Utah to be very good this year, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that that people may be sleeping on them
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  Speaker 3: just a little bit, just simply because of the coaching
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  Speaker 3: change and some of the turnover with Whittingham taking staff
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  Speaker 3: and some players with him to Michigan. But I've had
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  Speaker 3: a chance in the last several weeks to do a
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  Speaker 3: lot of sit downs. You're gonna see my Under the
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  Speaker 3: Headset podcast. You're gonna be able to see and hear
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  Speaker 3: them this year. I did a whole series of interview
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  Speaker 3: podcasts with some of the new coaching staff and some
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  Speaker 3: of the new staff members at the University of Utah
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  Speaker 3: that will probably hit and drop middle to the end
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  Speaker 3: of this month. But I'll say this after I was
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  Speaker 3: very bullish on Utah anyway, But after talking to said
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  Speaker 3: coaches and staff, I feel really good about where Utah
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  Speaker 3: is right now. And I think that this is going
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  Speaker 3: to be a really good debut season for Morgan Scalley.
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  Speaker 3: And again my expectation is that you should I think
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  Speaker 3: you'll see them playing for the Big Twelve title. I
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  Speaker 3: think that they probably are eight and zero heading into
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  Speaker 3: the BYU game. I like them at home against BYU.
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  Speaker 3: Texas Tech has a relatively soft schedule this year. They
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  Speaker 3: don't have to play either Utah or BYU in the
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  Speaker 3: regular season. I know they've had their offseason issues at
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback spot. I think that all that stuff's been
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  Speaker 3: put to bed and put to bed a month before
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  Speaker 3: practice begins. I still think they're going to be very
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  Speaker 3: good and with a very soft non conference schedule, I
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  Speaker 3: fully expect them to be in the Big Twelve title
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  Speaker 3: game as well, unless something goes off the rails. But
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  Speaker 3: my expectation today is Utah and Texas Tech play for
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  Speaker 3: the Big Twelve title.
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  Speaker 7: Could it be, could it change injuries? Can always see
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  Speaker 7: rail things.
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  Speaker 3: But I think Utah football is in a really, really,
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  Speaker 3: really good spot as they head into fall camp, which
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  Speaker 3: is probably about a month away or so. So that's
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  Speaker 3: my expectation for that. So we're gonna talk some Utah
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  Speaker 3: football today, was Zach Moss. We're gonna mix in some
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  Speaker 3: soccer with Jay Knolly, who's scheduled to join us here momentarily.
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  Speaker 3: Then we'll have Jeff carlyle On who's embedded with the
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  Speaker 3: US men's national team. We'll talk about the Red Card,
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  Speaker 3: Belgium and Moore, and we're gonna talk some hockey today
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  Speaker 3: as well my friend Adrian Denny, who I've not had
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  Speaker 3: on the air with me in years. Well, I haven't
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  Speaker 3: done the show in two years. So we'll go between
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  Speaker 3: the pipes with Adrian coming up at about one thirty today.
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  Speaker 3: As the Mammoth made a mom kind of a monster
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  Speaker 3: trade yesterday getting Vincent Trocheck from the Rangers. They also
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  Speaker 3: added andrews Lee. Now they've added some older players, they've
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  Speaker 3: got a pretty young core. They've added two guys that
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  Speaker 3: are thirty three and thirty five respectively. So we'll get
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  Speaker 3: Adrian's read on that and some of the other offseason
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  Speaker 3: stuff with the Mammoth coming up with a program today,
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  Speaker 3: And just so you know, if you want to interact
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  Speaker 3: with me today, the text line is open. If you
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  Speaker 3: want to shoot me or drop me a text message,
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  Speaker 3: it's open to you at eight seven seven three five
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  Speaker 3: comment on the US men's national team, you want to
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  Speaker 3: make a comment on Jazz offseason free agency trades, you
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  Speaker 3: want to talk some Mammoth Utah football sixty three days
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  Speaker 3: to kick off, or anything else. Feel free to drop
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  Speaker 3: me a text line today at eight seven seven three
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  Speaker 3: five three zero seven hundred again eight seven seven three
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  Speaker 3: five three zero seven hundred. We leave the show off
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  Speaker 3: today though, with the US men's national team two nothing
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  Speaker 3: win over Bosnia last night. Not an easy win, not
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  Speaker 3: a I didn't expect it to be an easy win.
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  Speaker 3: That's Bosnia was gonna muck it up anyway. They couldn't
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  Speaker 3: run and play with a team like the United States.
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  Speaker 7: They just couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: But they got physical and then of course the red card.
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  Speaker 3: But the United States found a way to gut out
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  Speaker 3: a win. Jaynalli joins me right now. RSL broadcaster, former
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  Speaker 3: RSL keeper, my broadcast partner for many years on these
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  Speaker 3: airwaves and beyond, and still joining me to do some
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  Speaker 3: ESPN plus Utah soccer.
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  Speaker 7: Jay, how are you.
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  Speaker 10: Good, Bill?
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  Speaker 9: How you doing? Welcome back as well?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for thanks for jumping on with me today.
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  Speaker 3: It's good to be back pitch hitting for o C today.
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  Speaker 3: So initial thoughts, what were you what were your expectations
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  Speaker 3: going in? I, like I said, I thought Bosnia would
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  Speaker 3: try to make it ugly and physical. They wouldn't play
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  Speaker 3: an open game. They just couldn't with the United States.
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  Speaker 3: It was about the type of game I thought it
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  Speaker 3: would be.
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  Speaker 7: What about you, Yeah, I think you know, they.
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  Speaker 10: Were going to sit in that four forth to kind
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  Speaker 10: of hold the center park block and just make it
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  Speaker 10: really hard for the US to buy. And I was
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  Speaker 10: actually pressed in spurts for the US. You could see
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  Speaker 10: that one touch passing, but just that breakthrough. It didn't
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  Speaker 10: happen earlier in the game, but I thought they were
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  Speaker 10: going to make it hard. And then Jeko up top
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  Speaker 10: is always going to be difficult. You know, uh Man
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  Speaker 10: City players played all over the world and he's been fantastic,
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  Speaker 10: and so you were just hoping there wasn't an opportunity
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  Speaker 10: for him, you know, at top of the box, which
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  Speaker 10: did great, and then it was really just trying to
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  Speaker 10: get that breakthrough, which they did and then good for
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  Speaker 10: Killman on that set piece at the end, just to
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  Speaker 10: extend it to to now now.
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  Speaker 7: I felt good, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I think the back line for the United States it's
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  Speaker 3: been mostly a back three, but I really feel like
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  Speaker 3: they've grown into this tournament last night, especially not that
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  Speaker 3: bosni as a wildly creative team. They're more about set pieces, crosses,
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  Speaker 3: using their size with the exception of a couple of
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  Speaker 3: late shots where I think things got a little loose
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  Speaker 3: where you at the US was a man down. They
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  Speaker 3: weren't on frame, they were just a little wider frame.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the United States defensively was really good for
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  Speaker 3: most of the ninety minutes last night.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, and I do really like this formation. It's actually
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  Speaker 10: really similar to how RSL's playing as well too. When
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  Speaker 10: you have Jedi out left in Sergio dusts, you know,
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  Speaker 10: kind of on that right side, they can play that
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  Speaker 10: box to box, they can fill in as a four
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  Speaker 10: box side, but it gives them more of an attacking presence.
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  Speaker 10: And we've seen what Jedi can do in the advanced role.
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  Speaker 10: Same with seeing Sergio dust up high, which has really
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  Speaker 10: helped in the attack. But you know that back three
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  Speaker 10: has been solid and they've just earned their spot, you know.
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  Speaker 10: I think the questions with Tim Reem have been answered.
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  Speaker 10: He's been the captain freeze. This is the first time
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  Speaker 10: I felt he looked a little shaky. I know, we
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  Speaker 10: text about it last night. Just didn't seem as comfortable
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  Speaker 10: and I don't know if it was taking that game off,
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  Speaker 10: you know against Turkey, kind of put him back into
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  Speaker 10: like now I'm in the knockout phase and this is
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  Speaker 10: my third game.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm still not sold on Freeze.
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  Speaker 3: I always felt like for years, you know, when you
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  Speaker 3: were playing in otherwise, whether it was Tim Howard or
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  Speaker 3: Casey Keller or or or any of the keepers that
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  Speaker 3: we had going through, I always felt good.
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  Speaker 7: I just Freeze. Just he doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: And this is just me observing from ten thousand feet
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  Speaker 3: and a million miles away. He doesn't exude confidence to
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  Speaker 3: me back there, and I like a keeper even if
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  Speaker 3: you don't feel it, did you look like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: fake it till you make it.
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  Speaker 10: But you know what I'm talking about, Jay, Yeah, there
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  Speaker 10: was really no ownership of the box, you know, even
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  Speaker 10: when the ball wasn't even coming in, you know, really
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  Speaker 10: kind of giving that presence.
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  Speaker 9: To the back for the outside guys of the middle.
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  Speaker 10: With Tyler Adams and McKenney as well, you just felt
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  Speaker 10: like there was just a goalkeeper in the back and
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  Speaker 10: everything in front was being taken care of. So I
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  Speaker 10: think that's an opportunity for him because he's gonna need
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  Speaker 10: to be that against Belgium.
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  Speaker 7: I agree j Nalli's with us here.
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  Speaker 3: As we talked a little bit about the United States
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  Speaker 3: win last night, you could make a case. I was
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  Speaker 3: watching some early stuff this morning. Dax McCarty was trying
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  Speaker 3: to say, well, you could say that five or six
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  Speaker 3: different people have been the best player so far for
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  Speaker 3: the United States. I don't know that you could make
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  Speaker 3: that case. I think others have had good games. I
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  Speaker 3: think people have been solid, But Baligan has been the
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  Speaker 3: most dangerous goal creator, and they get a goal from
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  Speaker 3: flow Baligan last night. It was just sticking with it
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  Speaker 3: and making something happen, what a true striker can do.
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  Speaker 3: But the red card, Jane, let's talk first about it.
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  Speaker 3: I think you and I would both agree it was
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  Speaker 3: a bad decision. It wasn't a yellow in real time.
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  Speaker 3: Var made the REX to take a look at it
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  Speaker 3: in slow motion and still frame replays, and by the way,
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  Speaker 3: that's not aligned with the protocols, the rules of what
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  Speaker 3: they're supposed to do.
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  Speaker 7: They didn't follow those last night.
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  Speaker 3: It to me it looked really bad in still frames,
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  Speaker 3: but in real time it looked like two guys clumsily
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  Speaker 3: going after the ball. But Baligan's gonna miss the next
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  Speaker 3: game unless something drastic happens with FIFA. That's not in
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  Speaker 3: their rules. How does this impact the US And did
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  Speaker 3: you agree with the red card?
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  Speaker 10: No, I don't. I don't agree with the red card.
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  Speaker 10: I don't actually think it should have gone to VR,
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  Speaker 10: you know. And yes, when we saw it in slow mo,
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  Speaker 10: he steps on his ankle at twist, it looks really
• 16:43
  Speaker 10: really bad, but if you look at his vision, you
• 16:45
  Speaker 10: look at the challenge, it was awkward and he got
• 16:48
  Speaker 10: thrown off balanced and he's coming down. There's just no
• 16:51
  Speaker 10: intent to it. There's no vision of even him. I
• 16:56
  Speaker 10: thought the call on the field was correct. He kind
• 16:58
  Speaker 10: of just let it go as a the challenge. But
• 17:01
  Speaker 10: once you slow it down and see that, yes the
• 17:04
  Speaker 10: player could have got hurt, but again there's no force,
• 17:07
  Speaker 10: no malice, no intent, but you can see the serious
• 17:11
  Speaker 10: nature of the foul and that's why the red card happened.
• 17:14
  Speaker 10: But I don't think it could have should have gone
• 17:15
  Speaker 10: to VAR where VR could input themselves in that decision.
• 17:19
  Speaker 10: So really unfortunately, because I think Baligan he's our calear
• 17:23
  Speaker 10: number one, you know, and creating opportunities, just making it
• 17:27
  Speaker 10: hard on defenses. So you saw a drop when PEPEC
• 17:31
  Speaker 10: came in, and I think that's going to be a
• 17:32
  Speaker 10: big hole when we really need to get opportunities against Belgium.
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: I agree with you.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Pepe had a fantastic year in the Dutch League. He
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: scored a ton of goals, but when he's come on
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: and I just I haven't been impressed with seeing him
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: so far in any of the run ups or in
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: the World Cup so far. So would your expectation be
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: alike for like swap there where you play Polisic and
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Peppy up top kind of the same way that they
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: played when they didn't have Polisic in the second game
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: where it was baligin and Peppi up top.
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: Would you expect Hodgi?
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 18:06
  Speaker 10: What?
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: What's your expectation?
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Because again, Poachattino, he he he plans for everything, and
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: he's probably got a plan in place for this. I've
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: loved his preparation. I've loved his confidence in this team.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: But if you're trying to hazard a guess to the
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: formation and what it would look like minus Baligan, what
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: do you.
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: Think they do?
• 18:26
  Speaker 10: I think initially, like my initial thought when I saw
• 18:29
  Speaker 10: it happened, was going to be a like for like
• 18:30
  Speaker 10: because the midfield and the outside guys were all in sync,
• 18:35
  Speaker 10: and it's now, you know, just having Pepe step up
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: that next level in when he gets inside the boxer
• 18:41
  Speaker 10: in around the area creating because I think, you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 10: the movement of phleboalgen is what opens up so much
• 18:46
  Speaker 10: space for Christian politics to come in on the inside,
• 18:49
  Speaker 10: So I don't think you want to lose that and
• 18:51
  Speaker 10: just force Polisic to be kind of on the top
• 18:53
  Speaker 10: of the eighteen. So I think there, I personally think
• 18:56
  Speaker 10: they may stay a little bit similar formation have just
• 19:00
  Speaker 10: a lot like just because Polisic can find so many
• 19:03
  Speaker 10: different holes when he's in that space, and he's got
• 19:06
  Speaker 10: Jedi behind him as well too to help defensively, so
• 19:08
  Speaker 10: he can force going forward. So we'll see what he does.
• 19:11
  Speaker 10: I know they've planned multiple ways and we've seen you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 10: Timothy Way, it's done a great job when he's come
• 19:16
  Speaker 10: in as well. So do you need that caste to
• 19:18
  Speaker 10: get him behind? It's going to be the big question
• 19:21
  Speaker 10: of what Tino wanted to do.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I want to ask you about Belgium in a minute,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: but I want to ask you about a player in
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: particular that I think it's time. Christian Polisic has been
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: called Captain America and he's been called the generational player.
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: He wears the captain's armband.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: He had a fantastic first forty five minutes against Paraguay,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: but that that's been about it.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Jay.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: He's created a few things here and there, but we've
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: not seen him score. We've seen him create a few chances.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: He's been active, but is this the time, I mean,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: if he's truly going to be the generational face of
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: American soccer and be talked amongst the greats like the
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Landon Donovans and the Clint demp seas and such, is
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: is this really the match? Is this really the time
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: where we've got to see Christian Polisics step up?
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 20:06
  Speaker 10: This is you know sixteen going to eight, and you
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: stole the two players out of my mouth. When you
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: think about his history with the US men's national team.
• 20:14
  Speaker 10: Landon donovan stepping up in big moments, Dempsey's stepping up
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: in big moments cemented their place in US men's national
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: team history, even going back to McBride way before that
• 20:25
  Speaker 10: as well. And this is you know, if say we
• 20:28
  Speaker 10: crash out one zero, you know, what do we say
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: about Kristan Polistic. We're looking for the next World Cup
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: for him to be a breakout. So I do think
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: this is where his opportunity is against Belgium, a top team,
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: to come and really break out. You know, did have
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: that offside goal last night that just kind of slipped through,
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: but still hasn't had that impact that we've been really
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: waiting for, even though he sat out about a game
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: and a half.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, offside goals still don't count. It's great, a lot
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: of people put in offside goals. People's stats would look
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: a lot better without him. But I just think that
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: this is the time. I mean, you are now the
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: most dangerous player on the field with flow balligan out.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: You've got to put your stamp on this match against
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Let's face it, Jay, this is a Belgium team that
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: is still solid, still pretty good. They beat the US,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: though not a full strength US team, five to two
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: back in March. But fourteen years ago they beat the
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: United States. That was a fourteen No. Twelve years ago
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: they beat the United States in this same round, the
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: round of sixteen, the knockout rounds in the World Cup.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: And so I guess my question, and.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: This was the beginning of their golden generation, guys like
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Akaku and de Bruyna and some of these were coming
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: into their own. Well, Belgium hasn't done much and some
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: of those guys are still around. They were frankly pretty
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: lucky to beat Senegal yesterday, but they earned it. Keeper
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: missed the punch. We could talk about a lot of things,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: but they want This is a team that's coming into
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: its own in the United States, kind of going up
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: against the team that's leaving a little bit from the
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: world stage. They've still got good, good young players Heelmans
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: and Dooku and some of those Doku are good. But
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: is this a game the United States should win on
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Monday night?
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: It should win, but it should much more competitive, obviously
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: than the last one. When when they were going through
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: and you talked about it, you know, a group that's
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: kind of leaving, and when you look at the spine,
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: you know cork Paw and back his you know he's
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: aging de Bruyner, who they're still relying on a lot.
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: In the midfield again, it's starting to slow a little bit,
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: but still very impactful. And then Lukaku's still getting done
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: up top, but still just kind of in and out
• 22:36
  Speaker 10: with minutes. So there was a time for us, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: in the way they're youngsters, are hitting their stride to
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: really take on and beat at Belgium convincingly. This would
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: be a great moment for them. I think the US
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: throw are faster. I think they can do what Senegal did.
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: Senegal just made it awkward for them. They counted really well,
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: they defended strong, they slowed game down a little bit
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: for Belgium and the attacking third, and then they just
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: awkwardly kind of hit them.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: They were super athletics fast and got up to zero
• 23:09
  Speaker 10: and just didn't do a good job closing that game out.
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: So I do expect a much more competitive game from
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: what we've seen against Belgium, and I would love to
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: lean towards the US beating them, but there's just so
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: many storied players on Belgium that can beat you at
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: any moment.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: All Right, I'm going to hold off on a prediction
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: or how the game plays out or what has to
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: happen for the US. It's in Seattle. I think it's
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: the greatest soccer city in America. I think it's the
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: greatest atmosphere in home field United States can have anywhere
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: in this country.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: And we saw what it was earlier in the world Cup.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: What are you expecting from an atmosphere and how much
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: can that atmosphere help Team USA on Monday night?
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: You couldn't ask for a better place for this game
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: to go to in Seattle. Seattle tip Or traditionally continues
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: to show up for the Sounders, the MLS team, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: now we have a World Cup match there in the
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: in the final sixteen. So could a perfect city for
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: the US to go to. As far as US pride,
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: US loudness, it's a very tough place to play if
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: you are coming in. All MS teams know that, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: I think it's gonna be if you don't show up
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: for this game. If you're a US player, I don't
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: know what else you can be set up with. It's
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: gonna be an unbelievable environment. And I think they're going
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: to come in, you know, getting a two zero victory
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: over Bosnia with more confidence than Belgium, kind of coming
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: from behind and squeaking that one out against Senegal.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: All Right, how does it play? What's your expectation minus
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Balligan for how this match plays out on Monday night,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Jan Yeah.
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: I think it's gonna shift back forth a little bit too.
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: I think again, the US come out strong, and then
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: I think Belgium settles it in, settles in a little bit,
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: and then there's gonna be some tussle back and forth.
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: I just think you can't take away what Belgium can
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: do in the center to up top and creating opportunities.
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: So freezing defense is going to have to be much
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: better than they've been throughout because I think this is
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: the time they get really tested up top, that's where
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: the opportunity is. I think that middle group in front
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: can really break down that back forth. I think we're faster.
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: I think we can get in behind and if they
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: get stretched a little bit, that's where our opportunities come.
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: I am picking the US in this game, but I
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: do think it's may be left till late.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: So are we looking at a two to one type match?
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Are we looking at a three to two four three
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: type match?
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: I have a two to one match as defensively, the
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: US kind of pull it out and then we get
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: some breaks and not Colin who's going to score the goals.
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: We really have to see kind of what happens. But
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: I just think the US it's kind of their time.
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: I think they've built straight through the group. You know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: they got it done against Bosnia and this is the
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: first test before they go through kind of it could
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: be a heck of a road.
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: What they do.
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: But this is you know, no matter what, when you
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: get to the sixteen eight, you're gonna play one of
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: the best countries. So you can't be looking at draws.
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: You just have to be ready to play. And I
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: think this is a great next step to be able
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: to play for Belgium.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I do too, And if they are able to get
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: by Belgium on Monday, it's an all likelihood Spain following
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that in Los Angeles, I think on July the tenth.
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, Spain's you know, before the World Cup, that's
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: who I picked to win. It probably would change to
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: France now any France is probably playing the best, but
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: you know, you never want to face Spain. Just touch
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: a solid team as well.
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: It's been so much fun this tournament. I don't know.
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: I was saying this to somebody.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: If Fox could draw, you know, write a script up,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure they could script this World Cup any better.
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: The host countries are all winning.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Canada, Mexico, and more importantly, the United States are all advancing.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: The stars are showing up, the Messies, the Rinaldo's, the Canes,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: the Hollands, they are all showing up. Jay, it's been
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: to this point an unbelievable World Cup.
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: Well, and not to mention the venues and the people
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: and everybody that's traveled. Looking at Monterey Stadium, the pictures
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: is phenomenal. Hearing all the positive things about Vancouver and
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: hopefully that helps the Vancouver white Caps as well too
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: to stay there. Everything in the States as well. Just
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: leading up to this, we had so many questions and
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: now that we're here, it's been phenomenal, one of the
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: most fun things to watch. I know you've got to
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: experience it in person as well too, which is incredible.
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: But yeah, I think you couldn't have asked for a
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: better progression into this sixteen. I think we're still going
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: to have some upsets and it's going to get really
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: interesting towards the end.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Jay, we were in Boston and it was unbelievable. We
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: were there for Yankees Red Sox and then decide I
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: did to stay for Germany Paraguay, which was unbelievable. The
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Norwegians were at the hotel right next door to ours,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: The French were headquartered two blocks down the street. It
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: was nothing but French and Norwegian folks. I mean they
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: were everywhere. Boston did an unbelievable job. And then the Germans.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Germans came rolling into town. They were very confident. They
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: were not feeling so good late in the day on Monday,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: the Paraguay. It was just I likened it to a
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: many Olympics being in like fifteen different cities. It's like
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: the Olympics come to town for three or four days.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: It was amazing, It really was.
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just incredible to see. You know, how many
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: fans are you know, being impacted by this, you know
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: obviously here in North America, but also overseas, and you
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: know there's always a hangover after the World Cup and
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: we'll see what that does towards the end of the season.
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: Four mls as well too, and hopefully it brought some
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: new fans into the group. But fast for a better
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: run so far, and I'm just happy to be part
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: of it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: Jay, You're the best. Talk to you soon.
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: Thanks, Bill. All the best man there is.
• 29:12
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• 29:16
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• 29:19
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• 29:22
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• 29:26
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• 29:48
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• 29:57
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• 30:00
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• 30:13
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• 30:13
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• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa.
• 30:18
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• 30:21
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• 30:24
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• 30:31
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• 30:33
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• 30:38
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• 30:45
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• 30:50
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• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Lord, how are you, Bill, I'm doing well. Thank you. Also,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I'm wearing your shirt out of Nick Vussevich be signing
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: with the Magic. So that's all part of that word today.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: That's great. That's great that we have so much to
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: talk about. I just want to say, I said Gordia
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: text when I was in Boston, because I know he's
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: despite the fact that it always blew my mind when
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I first got to know what he grew up just
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: across the river from the biggest city in the world,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: New York City. He's a Northern Jersey guy. He is
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: a Union City, Hoboken kind of a guy. And then
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: I said, well, are you know a Yankees or a
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Mets fan, Gordy, And he said, Bill, I am neither.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: You can't make this stuff up. I am a Red
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Sox fan, and it blew my mind. I had no
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: idea that somebody from Northern Jersey would root for the
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Red Sox growing up in an era where you had
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: the Yankees, the Mets. You also had a little bit
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: of the Giants before they headed west when you were
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: a very young lad.
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: But you're a Red Sox fan.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: So I was at Fenway Park, and then I went
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: and saw a World Cup match and in the great
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: city of Boston, in your honor.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. And the reason I was a Red
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Sox fan because in my school yard, all these people
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: who have knoxious Yankee fans, I have knocked you because
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: he always won, and I was counterculture. I went with
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: the Red Sox because I used to love call you Screemsky. Yes,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: like him.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: His numbers retired in the outfield and right field. By
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: the way, those Yankee fans that you despise, they were
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: not very happy they got swept by the Red Sox
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: over the weekend.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Very much. Yea. Let's add to that. Also, it's a
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: great rivalry. You know when New York and Boston, any
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: sports in particular, will say the Knicksabacker's and also with
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the Celtics and just shows you the power of it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's great.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: And by the way, the Yankees of World Soccer, the Germans,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: they were not very happy on Monday either.
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: They were left. So the Yankees and the Germans did
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: not have good weekends in Boston.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: No, and add to that is that, you know, Bill
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: also in the World Cup, I'm a fan of England,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: you are, Yeah, And since nineteen sixty six when they won,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: That because it'll he's not playing in it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not at all. No, it's always the way
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: of England. Why because of the Beatles, Because of the Beatles. Beatles. Yeah,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: and so nineteen sixty six. It's hard to imagine, but
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the Englishmen were more popular for about two week period
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: during World Cup when they won in sixty six, and
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the Beatles used to talk about all the time.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Hard to believe that your country of native origin has
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: not been in the last three World Cups. Yea, I
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: know the Italians are, they've been become a disgrace at today.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: And so in basketball it would be the Canadians. Yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: why they're never in the final three or so in
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the Olympics. Yeah, yeah, it's absolutely crazy about that anyway,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: that aside, Gordon Chies is in also not a great
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: weekend in Boston or extended weekend for Jalen Brown, but
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: we'll get to that coming up in a minute.
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: Let's start with the Utah Jazz.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Since you and I last spoke, and that was the
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: last time I filled in for Sean, the Jazz drafted
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson, so they've got a franchise backcourt player now.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: But since they drafted Darren Peterson, they have since traded
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Walker Kessler. So how surprised were you by that? And
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: what did you make of the hall they got back
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: for Walker Kessler, who has been a guy that they
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: kind of saw as a cornerstone piece since they drafted
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: him a few years ago.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: From Walker Kesler's point of view is that he wanted
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: to be here, but however, he felt that the Jazz
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: didn't give him a proper offer, which I disagree strongly.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: And so what happened was that when the Lakers came
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: across and they gave him this unbelievable, way too much
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: money deal that it really affected the landscape of the NBA.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: And from the Jazz point of view, they got a
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: great haul. They got two protected two unprotected picks and
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: they got also two swaps. And so from their point
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: of view, it was for the Jazz. If you're Jazz
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: happy right now, you're disappointed they don't have Walker Kesseler,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: who you like as a player. But they did the
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: right thing. They didn't overpay on him.
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: Very fair.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: I thought the Jazz offer might have been a little
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: bit high on their end anyway, but they made it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: It was their guy five years roughly what about one
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: hundred and forty million is what they offered him.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: Correct, So for the Lakers to go above and beyond.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: That, now they've got cap space with Lebron opting to
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: go someplace else. But what's Walker Kessler got to become
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: or how much better does he have to be to
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: justify those kind of numbers in LA.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: He's got to be a almost a relatively soon and
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: all star type center at those numbers. And get back
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: to the Jets point of view, they offered Walker Kessler
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the largest contract in history of basketball for a senate
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: position who never made the All Star team, right, never
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: made the All Star team. And also just think about
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: it that the Lakers gave the contract to Austin Reeves
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: it's the largest contract in the history of basketball for
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: an undrafted player. Austin reefs right. And so the Lakers
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: and the Jazz are involved in these two different historical
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: contracts and we'll see if it works out. So I'm
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: glad the Jazz held a balance. You never want to
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: overpay dramatically on players dramatically, that's what they would have done.
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: So Walker Kessler is now a Laker.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: The Jazz have pick swaps and first round pick swaps
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: in twenty eight and thirty, first round picks unprotected in
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: thirty one and thirty three. So the question is what
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: are you doing at center? Well, they re up with
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: use of Nurkic two years I think twenty two million,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: and then they signed Jackson Hayes. Is I'm guessing kind
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: of a backup the use of Durkic two years and
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: twelve million. So do they feel like, Okay, we've got
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: the other pieces we like, we're just gonna kind of
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: piecemeal the center position.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: Is that what they're doing?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very much. And also they could swing over Jaron
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Jackson to play at five right now. And you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: with Jackson Hayes, his contract is relatively a team friendly.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Bill the second year. It's a team option, so if
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: the Jazz doesn't work out, they can move on from him.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And also it's very possible he might get traded next week.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: And it's so it's not over. The jazz roster is
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: still in flux. But philosophically, now by not resigning Walker Kessler,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: that now allows them for Conte de Joor to give
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the extension. So that's all part of, you know, again
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the domino theory of not getting Walker Kessler. Again, everybody
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: likes Walker Kesler. The numbers really just didn't make sense
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: for the jazz point of view.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: Do you feel like the jazz are done? Gordy?
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Are there still moves to be made here for the
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz? Notable moves to be made here this summer
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: for the Utah Jazz.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: No, they're not done yet.
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: No, Well, so what's what's the next? Again?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: You don't have Danny Ainge's in Austin Age's you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: maybe you do, but maybe you've talked to them. But
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: just where do you think you go next? If you're
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: enhancing this roster, are you adding to the roster? Are
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: you subtracting? And in trading? What is a free agency
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: is it trade? What do you think this next for
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I think that the Jazz are going to try to
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: make one more mid mid level type player add to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: them another wing defensive player. Okay, so example, Oh absolutely, those.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: Guys are hard to get.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I know, if I'm the Jazz, I'm staring at someone
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: like Lou Dort type people. Okay, So someone like that,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: you know so, and that's what the Jazz need. The
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Jazz are less in the NBA the last two years
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: to tie with the Wizards for the two worst teams
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: in the NBA defensively both overall three point shooting defense,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: field go percenten's defense, most points allowed, et cetera. If
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: you fill a blanks in at least turnovers as far
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: as generated. So the Jazz, if they go forward, if
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: they should, because the Jefs have good players offensively, they've
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: got to develop those guys into two way performance. But
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: also they're going to add add some defensive ability.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: So if the season were to begin this weekend, which
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: we know it doesn't, you've got Nurkics as your starting center,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Jaron Jackson is your power forward, Lowry Markin is playing
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: your three. You've got Darren Peterson as your two guard
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: and then Keyante George playing the point.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: Where does that?
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Where does that leave East Bailey? Is Ace Bailey? You're
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: super sub off the bench. Where what are you looking at?
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Maybe a spot starter? If you played Jaron Jackson at
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: the center and Lowry markinon at the at the at
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: the four, do you play Bailey at the three? Where's
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Ace Bailey fit into this? Because this was a guy
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: that you took five overall last year and.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: He's very good player. He had a good rookie season
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: and each each month he got better. I'm gonna lean
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: a different alternative. Okay, I'm gonna say Count de George
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: had one Darren Peterson at two, a sad three, Larry
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: markin a stretch for and I would start Jaron Jackson
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: at five.
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: Okay. But Jackson okay with that though, because his best
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: years in Memphis were at the four, right?
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Correct? However, the new team, new season, Okay, this is
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: what we think that it's best for our team. And again,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: he's the highest paid player in the Jazz, so he
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: can't say that you're disrespecting me. And then you use
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: use of Nurkice as the only start sixth man as
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: far as coming the game that you can slide over
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: again Jaron Jackson at four marking and at three an
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: that remember Isaiah So Darren Pearson, he was talking about
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: him being a point guard. He's not. He's a guard
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and he's very ultra talented. He's a knockdown shooter. That
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: guy can get to the basket and he's a good
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: defensive player with a strong body. But he's not a
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: point guard. And that's okay. And so what you want
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: to do is play him at two and use a
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Spelly as the two guard small fold slash wing and
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: then the backup point guard Beza Kalia, who's improved also
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: each pastingw month.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Is cante George though technically a point guard either, I
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: mean he's I mean, if we're if we're just saying
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: if Darren Peterson is a guard, I would kind of say,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: can't George?
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: It is hard of hearts as a guard too.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: He's a guard to but to this he was last
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: year six point four sister per game.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Correct, He's he's grown into that role. I still think
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: his DNA is guard or combo guard.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, Another view point with Darren Peterson because It's part
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: of the discussion is that you never want a young
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: player that's a knockdown shooter when his feet are set
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: you feel good about it to be have to be
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: worrying about concerned about entering the ball in the offense
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: all the time, the starter rhythm as far as the
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: half court set. And that's why I'd lean towards keeping
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Peterson at two. And Kant is this fourth year right
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: now in the NBA, so he's ready, he should be
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: ready to roll. And uh Cante has developed into point
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: guard skills maybe point guards and mentality bill not a position,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and you're we're winning point guards in the NBA. They're
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: able to score the ball on the second side of
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the floor. But initially they they get they start the
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: offense where they ignited that first entry pass on perimeter
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: or in the in the mid post. That that that
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: creates a chain reaction of this, how we're going to
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: score on this possession. Then off that we're going to
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: play organized av lib and that's what Count de George
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: has improved on. And Darren Peterson. B know, when you're
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: nineteen years old entering the NBA, you can't believe some
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: of the backup people how good they are. What's this
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: guy on a on the uh on the trot is
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: like what what? What's his name? Who's this guy? It's
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: it's really humbling, it's hard.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: So it feels like the jazz. Based on what you're saying,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: right there, have a have a top eight. I feel
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: like a top eight. So you you got you got Jackson,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Marken and Peterson, George Bailey, Nurkice, call your hayes.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna put in a sense of ball.
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: Is he in your top eight?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah he is?
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah he can shoot. You think he's played his
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: way there? Do you feel good about Bryce sensible? If
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: he's in your top eight?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Off off the bench now, as far as him becoming
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the game and making shots, he can. He can shoot.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: So so if they're adding a three and D guy,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: like a loot door tight type, he would be in
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: that top eight absolutely, And that brought that backspride. I
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: just feel like, if you're going to be a little
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: bit better in the Western Conference, I don't know that
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Bryce sens the balls in my top eight, if that
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: makes sense.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Fair analogy, it's all based on who's on the floor
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: at that time. What you need, correct correct, So like them?
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: How much better have the Jazz gotten this we'll even
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: say end of the year till now? Does that make sense?
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Kind of from the Jaron Jackson addition, till now? Are
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: they a playoff team right now? In your mind? Top
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: top eight not play in team? Playoff team?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: They are seven and eight non intent?
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: Okay, so they're in that seven to ten ring.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely remember now also team's gonna drop right now, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: mean the Jazz. It's so interesting with the Jazz. Even
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: last year when they weren't totally playing to win, be competitive,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: they still in some games when everyone was there, they
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: were highly competitive and during that game. And so the
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Jazz starting lineup is, uh, it's it's good they have
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: They have good players, offensive players.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Now, yeah that and that's my next question for you,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: is they've they've got They were among the worst teams,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: maybe the worst at times last year defensively in the league.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: How much better defensively do you think they are now?
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Slightly better? Incrementally better, quite a bit better. I mean,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Jared Jackson can be a good defender, yes he can.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe Darren Peterson can be a good defender. I think
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: he's got the DNA for it. We'll see. It's always
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: tough as as a rookie to come in and be
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: a great defender. You're learning so much, but how much
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: better are they defensively?
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Slightly?
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: Okay?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: But Bill, the growth will be from internally within, so
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: that there I'm sure there'll be a high level of
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: accountability Bill. In every I mean sent its for decades,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: in every team practice, this should be an element of
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: hurt feelings because Bill, without her hurt feelings in team practice,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: during the game, you get mixed results. So I can
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: assure you in yesteryear there are just practices, there's a
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: lot of hurt feelings. If you get my drift built,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: yes I do, and it paid off during the game,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and that's what you want to do. Accountability in other words,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: what is your assignment on this situation, and then you
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: drill it and you talk about it, you do it
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: at have speed to show it and then live as
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: far as any intensity of it. And then if they
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: don't do it, then there's hurt feelings where that player
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: usually should be taken out of the game, not forever.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying at that moment, because you're not doing
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: what we went over seventeen thousand times before this, and
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: then it's a way, it's a rut of it's a
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: rude awakening. But that's what you need to do. Bill.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: During the playoffs, you saw the intensity. I mean, like
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Darren Vasso, Stephan Castle. They are bouncing off off the
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Nikobacker some players. You see how they tried to slow
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: those guys down, and Jellen Brunson was the opposite. He
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: was bouncing off them and scoring. And that's what you
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: need to do to get to a certain level. You've
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: got to play physical defense with technique and tenacity, but
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: without overly fouling.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: That is the pride of Union City, New Jersey. Gordon Chieza,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: We're gonna talk a little bit about other actions in
• 46:24
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• 46:26
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• 46:29
  Speaker 3: moves as well. There's a big name free agent who's
• 46:32
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• 46:35
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• 46:38
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  Speaker 3: So, Lebron James is one of the all time freaks
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  Speaker 3: along heading into year number one twenty four. This year
• 48:42
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• 49:12
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. You tell me.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Give me a couple of places that might fit well
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: for Lebron James that are.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Legit Cleveland, Okay, the best one. So they go James Harden,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Donvin Mitchell, Lebron James, Evan Mobley, and Jared Allen. That's
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: a good lineup, Yeah, that is. It's a good lineup, absolutely,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: And so that's a that's a winning and off the
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: bench Max Schruz and so they have some good players
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: there and that makes sense for Lebron.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: So would he be okay playing with James Harden because
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: James Harden doesn't seem to be a guy that plays
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: the type of basketball that Lebron James likes to play.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Correct absolutely so. Now these guys at James Harden being
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: thirty seven years old, Lebron will turn forty two on
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: December thirtieth, is that they'll have some moment of Jesus
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: coming together and this is our last hurrah. As far
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: as trying to be trying to win the whole thing.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: It is hardened opting out of that deal with the
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Cavaliers about freeing up some space for a guy like
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Lebron to come in.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. So the way again, the rhythm of
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: as far as the procedure, which again the contracts are
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: all guaranteed, as far as trades, et cetera. On July sixth,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: so he opted out James Harden, He's gonna get a
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: two year deal. We'll see how much he turned down.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Forty two point three million turned it down opt out,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: So now he's a free agent. Technically, I'm sure there's
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: some sort of deal before this is gonna happen. If
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: they signed Lebron, then it'll be Lebron first. Lebron, I'm disassuming,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: has to take a pay cut. It's all relative. The
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: middle of exception right now is fifteen point one million. Again,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I'm disassuming that it's okay with that between fifteen to
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: twenty million to get this less Hurrah with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: So Cleveland's your first, that's your most likely destination.
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: Correct, What is the second most likely destination for Lebron.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Golden State Warriors? Okay, so you would have Steph Curry, Yeah,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: his friend. You would have Draymond Green who opted out again,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: who opted out too? Absolutely, maybe Jimmy Butler depending on
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: his health. Correct, So what's the likelihood of that happening?
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: It's possible. Absolutely. Again, Also is that it's a short
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: plane ride from the Bay Area down to LA and
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: off days to say at least, I mean, it's all
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: part of it. So the question is how can we
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: do the best weekend as far as attempting to win,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: especially with older guys. Remember when older team you don't
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: practice as much, which makes it very appealing to the players.
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: So give me a crazy option.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: I just I mentioned San Antonio and you kind of
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: rolled your eyes and made a little face there. But
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm thinking kind of out of the box crazy.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: He could go be the old head on a young
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: team that's very close to winning a championship. I don't know,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: just something out there, but you tell me, give me
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: a not one or two, but maybe an out there but.
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: Still a possible option for Lebron.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Knicks. Okay, nixt Yeah, New York showtime, the whole thing,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: going to New York. They can fit him in. They
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: can fit him in.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: Well they lost Mitchell Robinson.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can fit him in as far as that,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: and it could make sense as far as playing in
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: New York again. The Knickerbockers, the way they're structured is
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: that with hel jeling brunts. It sounds so crazy, but
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: they wanted which is commendable, but it took every ounce
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: of jail and brunts and to win it for them.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Even though we all love an andob tremendous two way player,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the Knicks is so gritty. They actually they need scoring.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: They need people to can score the ball to help them.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: And Lebron again taking outside the box. Could he could
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: help them as far as going to bowl and also
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: give Jalen Brunson a mental health break during the game.
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Not.
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: They have to carry so much of the load very much.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: And Brunson did it on that six foot two body.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: There's some heavy lifting and it's very similar to Lebron
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: James is this quickly about Lebron just to make a
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: point about his brilliance right now. He played for the
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Cavaliers eleven years, Lakers for eight years, and for the
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Heat for four years. His Lebron's eight year tenure with
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: the Lakers, he averaged twenty nine nine points per game,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: fifty one point three field goal percentage, thirty five point
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: six from threes, seventy three percent from the foul line,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: seven point three rebounds, seven point three assist and one
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: point two steals, I mean, and one championship in the
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Bubble in twenty twenty. So he had really a brilliant
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: career for eight years. They wanted more championship because in
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: LA it's all based on titles, and he delivered one
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: for them, and he was great there.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: He never felt like though he was accepted by the
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Lakers fans the same way others were. He never felt
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: like to me that the Lakers fully embraced him for
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, maybe because he traveled all over the place,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: but yeah, a guy like Kreame abdul Jabbar didn't begin
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: his career there. But I'm just did it ever feel
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: like he was one of those beloved Lakers.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: No, no answers. No, it was not that the that
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: the coaches loved his game. Yes, but the fans again,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: the fans. They it's like almost like a home grown mentality,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: even though it's la. It's transient. I get it. But
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: as far as see when Jabbar went there, it was
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: only four years in the NBA. With Lebron, he was
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: already eleven years and eleven years already and then he
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: and then he went and then he went from Cabs
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: to the Heat, then to the Lakers. So it's a
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: whole different mentality. And but Lebron's going someplace and it
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: should be very interesting. It does affect the landscape in
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the NBA, of.
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: Course it does.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Another thing that impacts the landscape of the NBA is
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: the Jayler Brown deal. I want to take a time out, though,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: we'll come back on the other side. I've been trying
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: to wrap my head around this Gordy and figure out
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: what it's okay that you don't like a player who
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: don't see him as a long term fit. But it
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: didn't feel like the Celtics got a lot back for
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: what they gave up. Anyway, we'll talk about that Gordy's
• 55:18
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• 55:21
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• 55:47
  Speaker 3: AFM Brile's in for OC today and great to have
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: you guys with us. Gordy's in for the next little while,
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: spending an hour with us talking hoops today. We'll get
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: his list in a few minutes. Zach, the all time
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: leading Russier and Utah football history, get to join us.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: We're nine weeks from today, Gordy. Sixty three days from
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: today the season kicks off.
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: Can you believe it?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Good for you college football season. Gonna be a good
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: year for the Utes. We'll talk some Utah football, was Zach.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: We'll check in on the World Cup. Jeff Carlyle, embedded
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: with the US men's national team, will join us at
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: about one. Then we'll go between the pipes with our
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: friend Adrian Denny. Much like the Jazz, the Mammoth have
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: been active in free agency and trades and such too,
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: so we'll talk to Adrian coming up in just a
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: bit as well. So it makes sense of this Jalen
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Brown trade for me Gordy, I just it's not that
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: they dealt him, because it just didn't feel for the
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: last while like it was it was a good fit together,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: but they didn't. It didn't feel like they got enough
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: back for a guy that's an All Star and arguably
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: a top what twelve player, fifteen player for sure in
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: the lead to get an aging Paul George, couple of
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: first round picks, which I guess are great, but where
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: are those gonna be?
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: And then some second round picks.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: It just it felt like the Celtics got either desperate
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: or they needed to get rid of him. I don't
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: know makes sense of this Jalen Brown deal to Philadelphia.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: The first year is Jalen Brown, Dubeli spill. He made
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: second tier NBA last year, right second team the.
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: NBA, not to the All Star Game.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: This is second team all which tells you He's voted
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: as one of the top ten players in the league.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Very much. He has a second tier of NBA Jaalen Brown,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard who also got traded, Donovan Mitchell, former jazz
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Man Kevin Durant, and Jalen Brunson. That's the second team
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: o NBA, right, So two of those guys got traded,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: all right, with Jellen Brown, they have in ten years
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: the Celtics the last two years without Jail and Brown
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: playing with different injuries, is that the Celts are thirty
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: wins and only six losses. So they were able to
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: win without him, and so that was part of the equation.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: He said for ten years, he's a major, high level talent. Again,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just assuming that both parties were their welcome out.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Brad Stevens, the tremendous former head coach and now really
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: the very smart general manager, decided to move them on
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: now Bills alluding to they got back in return for
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Paul George, who is aging. Paul George aged thirty five.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: He was once really an elite two way player. Now
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: he's a situational type where he's inconsistent. Some of its age,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: some of its focus, some of it is his teammates,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: so he goes to the Celtics. The Celtics also acquired
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: two first round picks and two future second round picks,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: So that was the deal. Now for the seventy six
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: is like anything else, like any walk of life, when
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: you go to a situation that's new, whether it was
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: right or wrong your previous team, you get a new chance,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: a new chance to watch the showcase what you do.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: So Philadelphia, I believe won this deal. Where now Philadelphia
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: terse Maxiew's tremendous player, all right, they go with him.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: They go also now with Jel and Brown. They go
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: with vij Edgecomb at two, guard Brown at three, Dean
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Wade from Kent Bill formerly Kansas State, undrifted god, they
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: just signed play for the Cavaliers, and they go with
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: a question walk with Joel Embiid, who's been hurt. So
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of the Sixers playoff not success because Embiid
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: has been really very rarely been there the last three years.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: So Boston now has Derek White is their point guard.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: I like Derek White, He's a really good player. Baylor
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Shireman is your shooting guard. Then you've got Paul George
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: on the wing. Jason Tatum. They added Mitchell Robinson in
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: free agency. I don't hate that. Robinson is a good,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: tough reboundary. He's not going to score a bunch for you.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Then you bring Prichard and howser A and Cada, the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: former Utah State guy off the bench. They signed Mike Conley,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: I think to a one year deal. It's just not bad.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: He's your backup, backup point guard. He's got some experience.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: But I kind of feel like the Celtics were a
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: title contender two years ago and now I just kind
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: of feel like they're middle of the pack in the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: East with this deal. Is there another deal out there
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: for Boston maybe we're not seeing yet. Is there another addition?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: There is there something there that we're not seeing that
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Brad Brad Stevens, he just seems like too smart a
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: basketball guy to make a deal getting rid of a
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: second team All NBA guy and not really bringing enough
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: back in return very much.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: They have to improve their bench. So the answer is, yes,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: they have another deal in them right now. So it sells.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Last year they won fifty six games, so they really
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: they had a They had a tremendous season. Now, Tatum
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: didn't play till the end, and so now Tatum's coming back,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: we know it's an all NBA performer. Also, so question
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: is always can Tatum come back to his elite level?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: That's the question. Nobody knows. TAM's goan to say yes,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I can, and hopefully in his career are that he will.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: And so this huge gamble. But they felt that the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: locker room was part of the as they go forward,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: they wanted to make it more together. This again, I'm
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: just assuming this because that's why they made the trade.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Derek White two way player should have bloss it even
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: more without without Tatum being there. Now again, for the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Sixers point of view, they think that they can catch
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: the Detroit Pistons, they can catch the Nicobocker's World champions,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: and they can really also go after the Raptors and
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: the Hawks. So it's interesting the East is not as
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: strong as the West. The West is loaded, however, the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: East has a lot more balance. As far as no
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: one knows who could be the winner in the East
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: Jason Tatum's twenty eight years old. He should be right
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: entering his prime right now. So if you get him back,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: he is a top five, top seven player in the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: NBA when he's healthy.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Agree very much. And he's a two way player. They
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: can go and he can rebound, he can pass. They
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: he creates double teams where they have to play and
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: when he gets to the basket, and that creates passing
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: angles for lesser players to make open shots. And that
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: would be right now, Peyton Pritchard, who's really a good
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: knockdown shooter. Peyton Pritchell is really good on a low
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: shot clock where they double tim on perimeter. Used to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: be Jellen Brown, now now it's Jason Tatum again, and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Pritcher can make that open the rainbow shot from top
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: of the circle or in the corner right now. Again,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: it's a risk. Like always, on paper, it seems really
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: good for all these different teams, but the question is
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: how do they fit into the group. What's the chemistry?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: And it's so important professional sports about the team as
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: a unit playing in togetherness. And that was the Nickelbockers,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: and that was the Spurs until the final two or
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: three games of their season.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Is the hierarchy in the East or West based on
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: the first day or two if free agency changed for
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: you at all, do you still think the Spurs are
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: the best team in the West. Are the Knicks the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: best team in the East? Or did they just catch
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: fire at the right time. Courting and especially taking Mitchell
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Robinson away. Mitchell Robinson was a big part of what
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: they did in that front court very much. Yeah, Mitchell
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Robinson offensive rebound in the West. Right now, I'm leaning
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: towards the Thunder. Okay, so you're gonna you're gonna kind
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: of tilt back towards the Thunder over Yeah, is that
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: they're experience? What's tilting you back that way? They're draft
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: you know, do you tell me what why the Thunder
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: and not the Spurs?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, the first thing is starically speaking, is that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: is that that Game seven, I'm sure they regret the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Thunder at home, how they played it, and so I'm
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: sure they regretted, you know, I'm so I'm sure that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: that would be on their mind. So every time next
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: year when they play against the Spurs, and especially in
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, they're going to have that extra focus to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: try to to try to uh take or knock him out.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Right now, but again with Shadows Alexander, they have somebody,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: no matter what happens, can score the ball for them,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: and that is a huge factor. Now the question is
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: can they re signed Hartenstein? They did, can he slow
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: down somewhat when beyond.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: The well They also added in the draft the big
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: guy Mara from Michigan.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Very much, so they went with some length, Yes they did,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: and as the spaniard for Michigan, for Michigan, former UCLA player,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: he's got length. Also. It sounds so weird saying it,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: but these if your big guys hustle and play hard
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: is uplifting.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: I mean these millionaires, these guys maybe ten, fifteen, twenty
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: and thirty million a year if they if they hustle
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: and play.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: It's again it sounds so trivial. And so in aday
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Meyer from from the univers Michigan the NCAA champions. He
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: plays hard. He's seven foot three, he's long, He's a
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: tremendous rim roller to the basket. And with Shaye being
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: there also, remember with the Thunder, Jalen Williams was an
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: All NBA player, really didn't play much less year.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: So you're still like the Thunder I do, and keeping
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: Hartenstein maybe I just I don't think Chet's that guy defensively,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: and they wanted to match him up with when Binyama,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: that's not his game. But if you've got Mara, you've
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: got Hart and Stein. So the Spurs number two then
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: for you in the West.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a close number. Yeah, the answer is yes,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: but the close number one, and you can you can
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: fluctuate back and forth one and two. They're both really
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: both really smart teams. As far as how they drafted, again,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: the Spurs, what they showed a top of the apex
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: versus the Knickerbockers, that in experience does matter, it absolutely does,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: and that when Beyond is only twenty two years young,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: emphasized young. Stephen Cassel is only twenty one years old.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: And Dylan Harper Are you kidding me? Bill? That guy's
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: twenty years old? The second pick of the draft. All right,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: let's go Jazz basketball. Here's the question philosophically, situationally, can
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson and Ace Bailey, who are too young talents
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: for the Jazz for the next ten years if they're
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: in Utah, can he outplay the young people of the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Spurs on perimeter.
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  Speaker 3: Well, those guys are only a couple of years old Bailey.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Bailey is nineteen going on twenty Peterson's nineteen nineteen nineteen, Yeah,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: and you're talking about Harper's twenty twenty and Castle's twenty one.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. So again, it's who you play against. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: that's the thing about it. It's so exciting when I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: say outplay, I mean besides scoring the ball, can you guard?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Can you defend? Can you make baskets on a low
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: shot clock on the road? And so again, the question
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: is always is and it's the great unknown about young players.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: When do I get that mental toughness where I can
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: combine my individual talents and my ball skills as a
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: basketball player with the tenacity of doing it consistently within
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: what the team frame, within the teamwork. And that's that
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: equals what I just describe.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: Jellen Brunson got a text question here, Gordy. First, it says, Bill,
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  Speaker 3: good to have you back on the show every now
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: and again, thank you. Texter thirty one to forty says,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like a big seven foot or taller is
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  Speaker 3: very important to today's NBA. With wen Bin Yama, here
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  Speaker 3: are the Jazz watching some up and coming bigs in
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: college with all their future draft capital.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, Stanier's absolutely, they just.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Got rid of a young big who wanted a lot
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: of money. I mean Walker Kessler, that's ideally what they
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: want or need?
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  Speaker 7: Correct?
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  Speaker 2: Correct?
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  Speaker 3: I mean is Kessler a guy in your mind that
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: matches up as well as anybody can with a Wen Binyama.
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  Speaker 2: Defensively? Yeah, at the rim, but not on perimeter either way.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Wenby plays outside a lot and that take away build
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: that bizarre spin dribble. He always gets in trouble. He
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: makes that spin dribble. By By at the nail defender
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: middle of the floor gets in trouble when Wenby gets
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: those long strides, he's impossible to guard. But at the
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: rim against when it's big on big, And that's what happened,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: is that whenever you keep again situationally, most times you
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: should keep big on big. So when Beyonmba roast to
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  Speaker 2: the basket, are you kidding You're exit somebody six foot
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: seven to take him on? It's no way this bizarre
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: that people try to switch switch against Wen Beyonmba. You
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: gotta keep big on big much as you can.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: So what's the ideal defense for a guy like Wen
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: bin Yama? Is it big on big and getting and
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: just having your big come out to the elbow and
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: say we're gonna let you shoot the twenty two footer,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: but if you try to drive, I'm here to meet you.
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  Speaker 3: Because he seems to feel very comfortable, not wanting. In fact,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: I think he settles a lot more than he probably should,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: very much.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely so the yump I would keep big on Big. However,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I would keep that we call it him, keep the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: nail defended there as far as we call it heavy
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: nail where he's gonna stay there. So Remban tries to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: drive middle, he's there for support help. But when he
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: grows to the basket, when he's involved in a pick
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: and roll, is that it's so important to try to
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: match up with his size and go out his body
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: as much as you can. So when we stay big
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: on Big, we mean put your jersey numbers on Wembyamba's
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: numbers also versus what hey, I'm seven foot one, he's
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: seven foot three. I can match up with him. It
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: doesn't work that way. You've got to be on him
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: and press up on him and keep your numbers on him.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Most players don't like they feel uncomfortable when Selling's bill
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: is breathing on your neck and on your numbers.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 7: Like it all right, real quick.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: Coming up Monday, we may have potentially the number two
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: versus the number three draft picks going head to head
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: right outside of my office at the John M. Huntsman Center.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: Jazz or Salt Lake Summer League. I guess we can't
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: call it Jazz, Yes, Salt Lake Summer League. We might
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: have a Darren Peterson and Cam Boozer matchup on Monday.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Night, very much absolutely so that's that's the Bills alluding
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: to that game at a Monday night as a five
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: o'clock start. The first game is gonna be on Saturday,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: July fourth, one o'clock and three o'clock, right, and then
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: we can celebrate, Bill, people like yourself. Bill can celebrate
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: eating those hot dogs and stuff you know, later on
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: in the after later on at night. All right, So
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Monday night's game, Cam Boozer, this guy, the third pick
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: of the draft, has a winning game. That's the way
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: he plays. He's almost like a point forward, all right.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Even though he's big and tough inside, he's he's outside
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: making passes and plays. And Darren Peterson, if you like
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Ray Allen the way he shoots, that's Darren peas as
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: far as his footwork, and so it's going to be
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: an interesting classic add to that bill. So later on
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: when it just some league is over, meaning here in
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Huntsman Center, is that the old go to Vegas, all
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: the teams. The first game on NBA TV bill is
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: the Wizards versus the Jazz, aj debotsa versus Darren Peterson again,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: the very first game to showcase the young talent. The
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: NBA has so many young tremendous talents. The question is
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: always says, can you win at a high level.
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  Speaker 7: It's gonna be interesting to see. So keep an eye
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: on that Monday night.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe a Cam Boozer versus Darren Peterson matchup at the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: Jazz Summer League op.
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  Speaker 7: But the John M.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Huntsman Center, by the way, since they're doing the renovations
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: downtown of the Delta Center for I think this is
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: the last summer of renovations for them, they'll have it
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: back down there. But you can go up to the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Huntsman Center, watch the Summer League and enjoy some basketball
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: up where the utes play and where my day to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: day office is. All right, it would not be a
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Gordon Chiaza appearance with me or on ESPN seven hundred
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: if we did not have our list of the day. Gordon,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: please tell me and the listeners what our list of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: the day is today?
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  Speaker 2: All right, Bill, the list of today is in honor
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: of Lebron and the Lakers and the Jazz Lakers situation
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: as far as trading, etc. So I thought about this.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: The Lakers the old time, the old time greatest Laker
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: players both Minneapolis and in La.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: So this is a Bakers Dozen the top thirteen best
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: Lakers players of all time.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Correct top thirteen Laker franchise relocated from Minneapolis the City
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: of the Lakes, Bill to Los Angeles for the nineteen
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: sixty sixty one season. The Lakers have won the second
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: most NBA championships at seventeen. The Boston Celtics is number
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: one at eighteen crowns the Lakers. The Lakers won five
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: in Minneapolis and twelve titles in the City of Angels.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: The list below is based on the players body of
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: accomplishments while only wearing the purple and gold uniform. So
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: only as a Laker here we go. It's like Who's
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: who number thirteen all time? I deprivileged to coach him
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: with the Memphis Grizzlies, pal Garsol was a perfect sidekick
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: to Kobe, where he had a dominant game without a
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: dominant personality. He won two titles, number twelve all time.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Michael Cooper, also the Hall of Fame, won five championships.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: He was a generational on ball defender. And remember Bill,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: remember that that Cooper a loop passed from Magic Johnson
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: on a low pass and transition to Michael Cooper number eleven,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: yesteryear Hall of Famer with the Minneapolis Lakers. The first
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: ever big man NBA basketball, George Miken, number ten, Lefty Southpore.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: He's in a Hall of Fame. One championship, six foot one,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: knockdown shooter, Gail Gerrich.
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  Speaker 5: He was also a jazz Man, Yes he was. He
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: was a guy end of his career. Absolutely.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: He was the guy though that the Jazz traded traded
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: to get from the as far As expansion, and they
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: traded away the rights eventually four years later to get
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Magic Johnson. That's how that's how crazy he was back
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy five at number nine. He only played
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: for the Lakers for four years, but he was impactful
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: one of the world's greatest players of all time. On
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: other teams, Wilt Chamberlain Hall of Famer, won championship.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: I still maintained the biggest freak of nature of all time.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: There's Wilt Chamberlain records, and then there's the rest of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: the NBA records.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: A great absolutely number eight all time. Whenever I talked
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: about trying to guard him, it was impossible. He had
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: the all time greatest ever spend dribble going baseline. James Worthy,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: number eight all time, Hall of Fame, as always three
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: NBA titles at number seven, he nember won a NBA title.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: He was Michael Jordan and Julius Irving. Before there were
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: those guys. His name was Elgin Baylor. He's in a
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. He averaged twenty seven points a game
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: for his career. Once he went airborne, he was absolutely
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: possible to god. Number six. He won three times with
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: the Lakers. We all see him on television all the time.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Shaquille O'Neill number six, Yeah, number five all time. One
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: of the greatest ever players in basketball. He won one title.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: He invented like the mid range jump shot. Jerry West.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: Jerry West. The logo is number five on your list.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: I know it's so many great players you can't make
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: it at number four. He just left the Lakers about
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: two days ago. He played for the Lakers for eight years.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: He won one championship. He carried the franchise for eight years.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: He's still going strong. I'm saying this guy, Lebron James
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: is the fourth greatest ever Laker player. Number three Hall
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: of Famer Sky Hook won five championships. He played at
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: a high level till age forty one. We're talking about
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who might be the most forgotten ever
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: great player, not ever talked about anymore. All right, Number two,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: he did it with a smile. He made his teammates better.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: He played in the NBA for thirteen seasons. There was
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: nobody ever like him. Magic Johnson and the number one
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: greatest Laker of all time. He played for twenty years
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: for the Lakers, five NBA titles, including so many clutch
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: performances in playoff games. We all loved him. He left
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: his way too soon on Earth. We're talking about Kobe Bryant.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Thus Bill. That's my list of the day. Now. Future
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Hall of famers should be as far as if Hall
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: of Famer, but also on this list will be eventually
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: very shortly will be Luka Dantec.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have swapped Lebron and Jerry Webb, not
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: only because Jerry spent his entire career with the Lakers,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: and while he only won one title, same as Lebron,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: they were runner up so many times to the Celtics
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: and others, and he was the logo and he also
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: helped construct some of those great Laker teams very in
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: the scene. So I would probably have just swapped he
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: and Lebron only because Lebron didn't spend as much time
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: in LA and they had about the same amount of success.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Very much. And the reason why I took Kobe over
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Magic Johnson with longevity, yep, Kobe played for the twenty years,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Magic played for thirteen years. It wasn't lack of both
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: those guys as far as performance level. It was one
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: of the greatest of all time. But Lakers, again, there
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: are proud franchise. Bill. There's so many Laker fans living
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: here from SoCal and Salt Lake City.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: Well, that part of it's a shame, but the rest
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: of that list was great. Sorry, Laker fans, there's a
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: lot of you here.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: And that's good for that's good for ESPN Radio seven.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: As long as they're listening. Absolutely, Gordy, you have a
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: great July fourth. Thanks Bill, peace Out, peace out. Gordy
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• 1:18:45
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  Speaker 3: To one A f am all right halfway home here
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  Speaker 3: on a Thursday. Great to be with you today. We're
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• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: until kickoff. The Utes open up their season on Thursday,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: September third against the Idaho Vandals. Big twelve media days.
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  Speaker 3: Next week, I'll be down there for the University of Utah.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: I think Shawn and Spence are gonna be down there
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• 1:19:33
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• 1:19:37
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• 1:19:39
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• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: leading rusher and University of Utah football history, a retired
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: NFL are Now. Good to have Zach Moss back on
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: the airwaves with us. What's up, buddy?
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  Speaker 7: How Yeah?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 9: What's man doing good?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: I've been doing great. Can you believe we're nine weeks
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: away till kickoff?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah? I'm moving fast, moving fast, but that's always a
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 9: good thing.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: It is a great thing. I said this earlier. They're
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: not going to probably do a preseason poll with the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: Big twelve. They stopped doing those a couple of years
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: ago after the whole Arizona State sixteen to one thing.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: But I said, I if they did a preseason poll, Zach,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: I think Utah would probably be probably third in most
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: people's mind. But as I've said the entire offseason, I
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: don't think there's a big great deal of difference between
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: the top three Texas Tech, BYU, and Utah.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 7: What about you?
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  Speaker 9: I believe it saying if you look at back hearing
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 9: how all those three teams you know, played each other,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 9: specifically Utah versus you know, BYU and Tech, you know
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 9: those are very very close games. So there's not much
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 9: wiggle room between those top three. I think those three
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 9: would be, you know, pretty much everybody's top three. So
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 9: you know it'll come down to what those guys do
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 9: when that ball gets kicked off.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: So my question for you, Zach, and I'm just curious
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: where you fall on this. Last year, Utah had arguably
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: the best offensive line in college football.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: They were second in the NCUBLEA.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: They ran for almost thirty five hundred yards last year
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: between Wasshan and Rogers and Bray Devon Byrd. They just
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: ran the hell out of the football last year. And
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: I think that's obviously been Utah's mentality back when you
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: played before that the whole thing, the physicality at the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. Wasshan's back, Devon's back, Bird is back,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: Bray is back. But the offensive line is going to
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: be different this year. All five of those guys are
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: going to be playing or at least in camps in
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: the NFL. What's your read on what you think the
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: offense looks like this year with an all new offensive line.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 9: I think I think the identity has the show ups too,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 9: So I think that'd been running the ball and being
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 9: physical upfront, things like that, and said in tone, So
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 9: you know, all those guys, uh, that's gonna be filling
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 9: those roles for the type of office line we had
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 9: last year, there's gonna be an expectation, not from that
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 9: they'll hear from the outside, but the inside right like
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 9: the coaches and running backs in the quarterbacks and things
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 9: like that, for those guys to come in and uh,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 9: you know, step up and fill those big shoes early on,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 9: because this team has a great shot, and everything starts
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 9: with the front, with those front five guys up front.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 9: So I think when we see something very similar when
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 9: it comes to the productivity, that's hard to say, but
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 9: I think if you can even get to you know,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 9: a little bit over half of that with the new
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 9: weapons that were bringing in, you know, on the outside
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 9: and things of that nature, with the new offense, that's
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 9: gonna be there. Right. I think you got you got
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 9: all the pieces still at the end of the day
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 9: when it comes to the skill guys. So I think
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 9: if you can get to half of that still and
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 9: then you added different elements to you know, pick up
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 9: some of that, uh where you're gonna be missing out
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 9: on those thirty five the plus yards on just on
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 9: the ground, I think they got a good shot. Obviously,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 9: we have to see it first with the new offensive
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 9: coordinator and all that type of stuff as well, so
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 9: it'll be a little bumpy at first, most likely as expected.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 9: But you know, I'm sure, I'm pretty sure it's hard
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 9: to mess up a good run game.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah that The run game was so good last year.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: They were the number one rushing team of the Big
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: twelve by by over one thousand yards or just over
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: a thousand yards last year, or just I should say
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: just under a thousand yards. They ran for thirty four
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty I think, and Texas Tech was at
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: like twenty five hundred. So I still expect Utah to
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: run the ball and run it well. I don't know
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: if thirty five hundreds in the cards, but Wyshan's back,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: and Braves back and Bird's back and Devon's those guys
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: can all run it.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: Wasyshan came up just shy of a thousand yards last year, Zach.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: He wasn't like the bell cow number one guy till
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: maybe four or five weeks in, and then they started
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: feeding him that ball a little bit more. It's not
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: quite like when you ran and you were getting twenty
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: five and thirty yard carries a game, but he's getting
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: twenty to maybe twenty three or twenty four. I think
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: he gets a thousand this year.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 7: What about you?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 9: I agree, you know, I mean, I was calling for
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 9: him to get the ball early in the year, just
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 9: because you know, he definitely has a skill set and
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 9: the top of all of this line they had last year,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 9: there was no reason for him to not be hitting
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 9: those fifteen minimum carries a game, so you could see
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 9: what he was able to do with the limited carries
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 9: that he was getting and still turn it into a
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 9: lot of productions. So I'll be very, very very shocked
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 9: if he doesn't come away with a thousand plus yards
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 9: this year, you know, and adding another twelve fifteen touchdowns,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 9: you know. I think that's the expectation, uh, you know,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 9: he has for himself most likely, So I'm expecting the
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 9: big year from him for sure.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: Take take me into a running back smind a number
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: one running back way, Shaun's a number one back in
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: RB one. You were an RB one when you were here.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: You know, other guys are going to carry it. But
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: what's your mindset?
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 9: You?
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: We always hear like you kind of build that momentum
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: as the game. The more carries you get, the more
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: comfortable you start building it. What what's a mindset of
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: a running back? One you never want to come out?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing maybe just to get a little bit of
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: a drink or a blow real quick.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: But outside of that.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: In today's day and age, even in the NFL, when
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: you play there, it's very rare to see a guy
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: get twenty five or thirty carries anymore, it's usually seventeen
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: to twenty. But how do you how do you approach
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: it as an RB one going in? You want to
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: carry it as much as possible, but you've got to
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: worry about the workload.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, in college, the good thing is you
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 9: can have a true RB one. In the NFL is
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: you know, there's a lot more politics that kind of
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 9: go into it on that aspect things. But that's why
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 9: it's hard to you see that. Nobody to see that anymore,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 9: even though a lot of guys in that league are
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 9: very capable. But in college you can definitely have a true,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 9: true one. You know, mindset wise is you know, I
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 9: think you train, you know, all off season to not
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 9: come out to be in those situations right where you
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 9: know your coaches can turn to you and say, yeah,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 9: he can handle five, six, seven, eight, care reason the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 9: road right where it's a pivotal point in the game
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 9: and we need them all. We can trust them to
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 9: not put the ball in the ground, to fall forward
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 9: until you get you know, positive yards and things like that.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 9: But overroll is about being consistent right to your point.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 9: You know, you get better as you keep getting those
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 9: carries right. So that's the consistency part. So you know,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 9: I think he has the ability. You know, it'll be
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 9: hard just because you have so many guys that are very,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 9: very good as well. But that's where you were a
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 9: real one. You've got to separate yourself and you know,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 9: make sure the coaches know, even though we've got a
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 9: lot of talent on this office side of the ball,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 9: right at end of the day, this is I'm still
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 9: the main person that you want to get going first.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: What was there ever a time, let's go back to
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: like twenty nineteen, you're running it like crazy. I think
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: he ended up with almost four over to fourteen hundred
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: yards that year. You've got you know, Will Moore is there, Devate,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: Henry Cole's there. I think Brumfield was there a little
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: bit too. Was there ever a time when you were
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: like running it well and somebody came running on the
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: field and you're like trying to wave them back.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: You're like, no, I want to stay in the game.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 9: Uh No, I can't remember if I ever hid I
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 9: know I probably felt like that in twenty seventeen my
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 9: first four year started, probably, but you know, I think
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 9: like to my point, you know, I prepare all offseason
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 9: to not have to be able to come out right
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 9: even after a long run, get right back in the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 9: huddle and there's a real opportunity that I can get
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 9: the ball again on the next snap. Right. That puts
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 9: the defense and stress. You know, the main thing is
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 9: being a three down back, the guy I can do
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 9: it on all three different levels, right, pass blocking, catching
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 9: the ball, and running the ball, so you never have
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 9: to come up the field because that makes the offense
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 9: even more hard to stop because now right say I'm
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 9: in and I'm only able to play first and second
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 9: down because I can't pick up blisters or test the
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 9: ball very well on third downs. Right. So that's that's
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 9: a true one. That's the guy who's been for all
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 9: and that's from the condition, standpoints and beat on the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 9: field and being the guy that you know, your poaches,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 9: the fans and the players can obviously count on every day.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: Utah, Great Zach Moss with us here on the shot
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: of Coddle Show today, Bill Riley sitting in for Sean
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: as we sit sixty three days out until kickoff, So
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: be really curious your perspective on Devin damp Pier and
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: Bird Fickland. It's a really interesting dynamic, Zach, that you
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: don't get very often. Usually the guy behind the guy
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: wants to play and really wants to push and get
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: in there, and if he doesn't get a chance to play,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: especially in today's day and age, he wants to go
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: someplace else where you could play.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 7: Bird had a great year sub and in last year.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: Could have probably gone to a lot of different places,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: have been a starter this year, but chose to stay around.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: What do you make of that dynamic in what those
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: two guys bring to the Utah offense, both Fickland and
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: of course Devn.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, first, you know that, you know, a
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 9: real commenable thing that that Bird did. Right. Obviously, a
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 9: lot of players, right, ninety five per cent the players
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 9: would have just taken me, especially in the nil world
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 9: right now, right, would have taken you know, a better
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 9: offer whatever than they have been right playing time and
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 9: all this type stuff. But I think that just speaks
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 9: to the character of both guys, right, because damn Pire
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 9: all sees long, you know, and I've never spoken to him,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 9: but just watching all season long. He was never an
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 9: eye guy, right, especially sometimes that quarterback when you you know,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 9: obviously you want to go play in the NFL and
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 9: things of that nature. And a quarterback they never want
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 9: to share the spotlight. They never want this coaching staff
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 9: to see what the other guy can do. And you
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 9: hear a lot of a lot of football players always
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 9: say that you never want to come off the field
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 9: because you never know, right, But he always was. You know,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 9: he wanted Bird to come in and play a big
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 9: role to help, and that just comes down to winning.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 9: I think both of those guys at the end of
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 9: the days just care about winning. And you know, that's
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 9: a real, real selfless thing that you don't really find
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 9: anymore in this landscape of football and erro in right now,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 9: it's just guys being super selfless and not caring about
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 9: all the other outside noise and things like that. So
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 9: with both of those guys, I mean, it puts us
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 9: in a really good spot because you can't get a
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 9: real good key on the offense right. Sometimes quarterbacks you
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 9: know exactly what they want to do, what they like
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 9: to do, what he likes to do, what's the weaknesses are, right,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 9: And when you're trying to game plan for its quarterbacks,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 9: that is very very hard because you only gets so
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 9: much time during the week for practice, and now you
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 9: got to figure out, okay, how do we script you know,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 9: fifteen place for this quarterback and in fifteen place for
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 9: this quarterback, and then you added the running ability from
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 9: both guys are super dynamic. You know, that just makes
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 9: it very, very hard. I think that's gonna be a
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 9: big thing that they're going to lean into, which they
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 9: definitely should, and you know, it'll make a lot of
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 9: mismatches for our offense this season.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: I agree Zach Moss with us here on the Shot
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: Occondo Show today is a guy that ran it really well,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: more and better than anybody in Utah football history. These
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: two guys run it well. Your guys Snoop could run,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: but he didn't look like a running back running sometimes
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: I watched Devin and Bird run and they look like
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: running backs who are playing quarterback at times.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: What do you make of the running styles?
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 9: I mean, that just shows you how much the game is,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 9: you know, advanced, and just a quick little bit of time,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 9: it's crazy, uh to see how much better the athletes
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 9: are getting.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 9: You know a lot of quarterbacks right these quarterbacks are
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 9: being taught now to be able to run, to be
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 9: able to have that, you know, that piece of uh
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 9: to their game. They put that in their arsenal as well,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 9: because that only makes it even more valuable. You know,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 9: you know the traditional pocket pass and the quarterback right, uh,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 9: you know that's kind of dying off a little bit.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 9: All these guys such such great athletes, and you've seen
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 9: that in every position, not just the quarterback, defaus ends,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 9: tight ends. Look at the infild of combining guys tight ends,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 9: you know, two hundred and fifty pounds running four or
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 9: five four fours, things of that nature. So you know,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 9: I think it's something that we definitely need to get
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 9: used to because these kids are now being taught that
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 9: in Bird and Dan Pierre just great, great athletes in
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 9: their own right. So you know, that's a it's a
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 9: special thing to watch because I mean, I forget what
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 9: gaming was and maybe Colorado where you know, they were
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 9: just tearing it up and I'm just like, this is
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 9: ridiculous because it's running back. If I'm Parker, you love
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 9: having a running quarterback because it opens up the box.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 9: So now you only got to be one dude most
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 9: of the time. And then you know, it's a bad
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 9: thing too that sometimes you know, they want to run
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 9: into and they throw the ball out of hands and
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 9: times it's true.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: That's that's the one challenge I think Kevin mcgiven's gonna
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: have this year's the new OC as Zach is. He's
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: got a lot of guys that can be dangerous weapons,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: whether it's damp Pier or Parker or Fickland or or
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: Daniel Bray or Nate Johnson or Hunter Andrews. And then
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: you've got that whole new group of wide receivers which
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: might be the biggest and deep deepest group they've had
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: in a long time. You know, guys like Larry Simmons
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: who's back. But then you factor and Creed Whittemore, and
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: you factor in Brayden Pagan and Kyrie Sholz. That there's
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: only one football, right, There's only one football, Zach, and
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: they got to find a way to get in a
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: lot of people's hands.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, it kind of reminds me of just
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 9: a little bit of the Philadelphia Eagles offense, where it's
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 9: just you have so much talent, you know, obviously everything
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 9: runs up front with the with the offensive line and
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 9: having you know, the running backs in the backfield and
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 9: you know, very talented duel threat quarterback. And you know,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 9: as you said that, the biggest thing this offseason that uh,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 9: you know, I was hoping for was to get that
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 9: receiving game going. So he's gonna have a very very
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 9: interesting time trying to figure out how to keep all
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 9: those guys happy. Like I said before, I think you know,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 9: they got lucky because the head of the of the
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 9: Snake with Dan Pier and Bird being the two leaders
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 9: of the offense quarterbacks and being selfless and showing that
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 9: each and every day is going to only trickle down
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 9: into all those guys. So you know, as as long
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 9: as they play as a group, everybody looks really good
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 9: when he play as a group. No, it's never one
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 9: person that makes anything go as always the group.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what I was going to bring up,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: and you know, I'm glad you touched on it. When
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: you've got the two quarterbacks and they're selfless and they're
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: they're you know, they're they're it just has to fall
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: in line because if you're if your leaders are doing that,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: everybody else has got to do that too, or you
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: know the rest of the room kind of pushes you aside,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: don't they. You don't want to be the guy that
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: steps out of line and says, hey, get me the
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: ball exactly.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you don't want to do that, you know.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: And I think you know.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 9: They got I think that's why coach Scally wanted to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 9: have you know, both of those guys and let them
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 9: know they're playing things like that, because, like I said,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 9: like you said, you don't want to be the guy
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 9: that steps out and says, oh, be the eye guy. Right,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 9: It's all about the team, team, team, team, team, and
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 9: you know that's what all you talk football is about.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: Before I let you go, what what's the one thing
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: when fall camp comes rolling around that you're going to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: be keeping your eye on? As we got your sixty
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: three days still kick off. But there's always questions heading
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: into camp. So what's the biggest question on Zach Moss's mind?
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 9: I think the passing game. You know, I was pretty
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 9: vocal about it last year to some degree. You know,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 9: I think those were if you look back at it,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 9: the tech game, well, we played extremely well for first
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 9: three quarters, right, but they shut us down. The run game.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 9: You couldn't get any vertical pass game going, and you know,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 9: they were able to do it later in the game,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 9: and then you go back to the b YU game.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 9: You know, I remember being there on the field and
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 9: I'm looking at the safety super low, almost like another
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 9: linebacker down there, just because they knew we wanted to,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 9: you know, only throw five yard routes and we had
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 9: no real vertical threats. So I think the biggest thing
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 9: for this offense to take a leap everything else is
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 9: going to figure yourself out. Right, you got the athletes,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 9: you got this scheme. When it comes to the run
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 9: game and things of that nature. I think the passing
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 9: game is something that takes a lot of time and
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 9: a lot of work that could be tricky depending on
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 9: how you use it. Two quarterbacks to which whichever one
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 9: you feel is maybe probably you know better act on
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 9: the ball, or hopefully you know, kind of equal that
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 9: would be nice. So the passing game for me and
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 9: giving us somebody becoming a real true, you know, vertical threat,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 9: which we have not had. You know, I think in
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  Speaker 9: my time, you know, Darren Carrington, uh was our you know,
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  Speaker 9: vertical threat, but we have not had somebody that was
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 9: just a true wide receiver.
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  Speaker 2: One.
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  Speaker 9: Right, we talked about two quarterbacks and the RB one.
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  Speaker 9: But now it's time to get us even even We
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 9: have some really good passing catching tight ends, but now
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 9: it's time to find a real receiver ware. So that's
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  Speaker 9: the challenge, is somebody to step up in that room.
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  Speaker 9: You know, they got coach bumpers back and things like that,
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  Speaker 9: and he knows how to do that very well. So
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  Speaker 9: you know, I'm looking forward to seeing that this offseason
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  Speaker 9: and getting back into seeing what they can do with that.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, it's great catching up. Whether you have a great
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  Speaker 7: weekend with the family.
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  Speaker 9: I'll talk to you soon, Yes, sir man, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 7: You thanks Zach.
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  Speaker 3: Zach Moss with us here on ESPN seven hundred, ninety
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  Speaker 3: Getting ready to start is Spain in Austria. That'll be
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  Speaker 3: on Fox TV at five o'clock. Poor Portugal in Croatia.
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  Speaker 3: Should be a good game at five on Fox, and
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  Speaker 3: then late tonight the Swiss and the Algerians go on
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: FS one at nine o'clock. Mountain Time. A couple of
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  Speaker 3: other news and notes from the day. You heard James
• 1:38:38
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  Speaker 3: able to tell our children, no, sometimes you didn't earn
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  Speaker 3: that ten.
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  Speaker 7: I earned that ten. It's retired and it's staying in
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  Speaker 7: the rafters. Good for you.
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  Speaker 3: Tim Hardaway Senior, Tim Hardaway Junior fin another number to wear.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: By the way, Lebron coming back for his twenty fourth season.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: Alexandrovetchkin's coming back for his twenty second season. He said
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  Speaker 3: he's coming back. I saw Ov play when the Caps
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: came to town to play the Mammoth. He's not skating
• 1:39:14
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• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: He is not doing a whole lot of skating out there,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: but he still scores like you can't believe.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 7: They had a hat trick against the Mammoth.
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  Speaker 3: two hours in one hour to go on this Thursday,
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  Speaker 3: and a World Cup is fired up for this Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: The first of three matches down. It's so FI today
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: in Los Angeles. Spain and Austria going at it. They're
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: in the third minute, just underway and scoreless. We'll follow
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: that up with Portugal, Croatia, then Switzerland Algerias.
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  Speaker 7: Good matches today.
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  Speaker 3: The United States advanced in a knockout round game last night,
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  Speaker 3: first time since O two took down Bosnia at two
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  Speaker 3: oh last night. Had to overcome a little something something
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  Speaker 3: to get it done. The red card to flow Balligan
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  Speaker 3: still got it done. Good free kick from Tillman and
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  Speaker 3: United States advances to see Belle gym on Monday in Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: Our next guest. He's covered many a World Cup freespn
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  Speaker 3: dot com. He's covered many a US men's national team,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: and he was on site last night in San Francisco,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: or at least in the Bay Area, not technically San Francisco,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: Santa Clara. Jeff Carlisle with US today before he heads
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  Speaker 3: off to Seattle. How are you, Jeff, I'm doing fantastic,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: So quite a night last night at the stadium also
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: known as Levi's. What did you make of the two
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  Speaker 3: nothing victory for the United States?
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  Speaker 10: I mean, I thought it was a really good result
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 10: when you factor all the crazy stuff that went down,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 10: you know, it was you know, Bozni is a tough
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 10: team defensively, uh you know, they're very organized, very compact,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 10: very physical, and you know, it certainly took a while
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 10: for the US, I think, to to kind of find
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  Speaker 10: a breakthrough. But you know, you could just kind of
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 10: see the press beginning to take its tolls the first
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 10: half went on. You know, there was starting to create
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 10: more and more opportunities out of that, and then they
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 10: finally got a breakthrough. But you know, obviously the red
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 10: card to flow Balligan changed everything and you know, it
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 10: looked like the US was managing the game pretty well
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 10: and then they found themselves in a little bit of
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 10: a dogfight. But I thought that the US defended well,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 10: They're pretty composed. I mean, there were a few half
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 10: chances for Bosnia, but you know, then Malick Tillman is
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 10: able to get that fantastic free kick goal. I mean
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  Speaker 10: it was really impressive. I thought the way the US
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 10: didn't just sit back the whole time. I mean, Christian
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 10: Polistic almost had a goal that got waved off or offside,
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  Speaker 10: but you know, they still were aggressive and they still
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  Speaker 10: tried to get that killer goal and they were able
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  Speaker 10: to find it through Malick Tilman's free kick.
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk about the match a little bit
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: more in obviously what lies ahead, but what has changed
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: with this team over the last six months. They were
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: not great last fall, they weren't great earlier this year
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: in the run up to this. You've been around the
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: you've covered it. What what is you what have you
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: seen that's changed here? Because there was not a lot
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: of it was not a lot of good vibes going
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: on back in March and even late last year around
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: this squad.
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  Speaker 10: Well, I think it's two things, health and time. You know,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 10: you look back at some of the earlier windows, you know,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 10: there always seemed to be a key player missing, whether
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 10: it was a Tyler Adams or a Chris Richards or
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 10: a Christian Polisic, And so, you know, I think that
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 10: delayed kind of the chemistry building process, if you will.
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  Speaker 10: You know, it was kind of hard for these guys
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 10: to get on the same page. And you know, I
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  Speaker 10: say that because when you play a high press, it
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 10: has to be coordinated. I mean, if one person is
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  Speaker 10: not on the same page, then the whole thing breaks down.
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  Speaker 10: So I think being together for the last month, uh,
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  Speaker 10: just the you know, the entire team and then having
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 10: everybody available has made just a huge, huge difference for
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 10: this US men's national team.
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  Speaker 3: Well it looks night and day and they're just seeing
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: to be And it feels like maybe Pochettino had felt
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: this way the whole way and the outside, maybe because
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: he was around it and knew if they got healthy
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: and got a little bit more time together, because he
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: seems to have been the one that's kind of been
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: the constant through this. It was almost like he was
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: telling everybody, Hey, I know what we have here, give
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: us a little bit more time.
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  Speaker 7: Do you feel that way? Yeah?
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely, you know he you know, trust the processes. Yes, yes,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 10: it's got to become a cliche almost when you when
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 10: you think back to its USA in the NBA. But
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 10: you know, I think that was what what Pochettino was preaching,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 10: you know, the entire time, and you know we saw
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 10: glimpses of it. You know, they had a really good
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 10: November window when they beat Paraguay and then they absolutely
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 10: took a part Uruguay. I mean that that five to
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 10: one game. It was like, okay, you know, you know,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 10: we're starting to see some signs of progress. Obviously, it
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 10: was kind of two steps back in the March window
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 10: when they played Portugal and Belgium, but you know, you
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 10: could you could kind of see it a little bit. Okay,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 10: if they get the pieces together, you know, if they
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 10: get you know, the top choice lineup on the field
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 10: at the same time, then this could work. But you
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 10: know they've had to do it on the field, and
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 10: that's where I think that the time aspect has come through.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 10: I mean, these guys have been together since May twenty sixth,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 10: you know, when the roster was announced and you can
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 10: just see the chemistry building day by day. And these
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 10: guys believe in what Poschatino is preaching, and I think
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 10: that goes a long way. That's so critical because if
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 10: they're not buying what he's selling, then then none of
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 10: this works. And so it's been a really impressive progression.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 10: I think that this team has taken just you know,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 10: over the last month, and it seems to be growing
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 10: by the day.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: As somebody who's seen this team in the iterations and
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: the build up to this over the last couple of years,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: is there a player right now, Jeff that's been the
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: biggest surprise or the biggest eye opener to you, or
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: somebody that you feel has really just begun to come
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: into their own.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 10: Malik Tilman for sure.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 10: I think you know when the roster was announced and
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 10: Tanner Tessaman was not on it, it was like, Okay,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 10: who's gonna partner Kyler Adams in the center of midfield
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 10: and push a Tino. I remember on the on the
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 10: on the day of the roster announcement, he threw out
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 10: some names. He threw out g Arena, but one of
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 10: them he threw out was Malik Tilman, And yeah, I
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 10: have to say I was a skeptic. I wasn't sure
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 10: that he could really excel in that role. But he
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 10: has been just fantastic on both sides of the ball.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 10: I mean, I mean the defensive side. That was something
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 10: that I hadn't really seen out of him before.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 10: You know, we've seen him in the attacking third, you know,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 10: kind of the clever flicks and and uh, you know,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 10: subtle passes. You know, we we've seen that before. But
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 10: to be able to do the tackling and the grunt
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 10: work and the ball recovery, I mean, that was something
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 10: that I had not seen from him before, and uh,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 10: it's been really impressive. Obviously, he gets a fantastic goal yesterday,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 10: but I think that was really just reward for the
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 10: effort and the work that he has put in, you know,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 10: obviously on the practice field, but in the games as well.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 10: I mean, he's been a real difference maker. I can
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 10: remember back to the twenty twenty two World Cup. You know,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 10: it was Adams and McKenny and Eunice Mussa and everyone thought, okay,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 10: this midfield is going to be around for a decade.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 10: And obviously Musa felt falls off. But Tillman has been
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 10: there to take his place, and it's just been really
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 10: impressive to see the cohesion in this trio and just
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 10: the way they win the ball back and the pressure
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 10: that they put on the opposition. It's been fantastic, and
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 10: Tilman is certainly a big part of that.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: Jeff carlisles with us for a few more minutes here
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: on ESPN seven hundred, covering the men's national team for
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: ESPN dot Com. You can read his piece from last
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: night's matchup at ESPN dot com today. The guy that
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: I've just enjoyed watching play and he's come into his
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: own both for club and now for country, is slow
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: Balligan got another goal last night.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 7: He's been terrific. He is a handful.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: He is a true striker, something that the United States
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: at times over the last couple of decades has struggled
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: to find.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 7: He feels like they've found that guy now and now
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 7: they will not have him.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: He got the goal that he got the red card
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: obviously upon further review, as we like to say, I
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: think it was a bad decision. I think most people
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: in the world of soccer admit that it was a
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: bad decision. Var is not supposed to be using slow
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: motion and still replays. They did that last night. The
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: red's been issued, you're around it. Is there any chance
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: of FIFA going back and saying you didn't use VA
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: properly and rescinding this or is he done for Monday?
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 10: I think he's done for Monday. You know, everything that
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 10: I'm hearing out of the USSF is that the only
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 10: way they would appeal is if it's a multi game suspension. Okay,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 10: you know, then they would then they would step in
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 10: and say, okay, come on, he's already going to set
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 10: out the next game. Making him sit out for you know,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 10: potentially another game. You know, that's too much, but I think,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 10: you know, the FIFA statues are pretty clear. You know,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 10: these decisions cannot be reviewed or appealed, you know, just
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 10: in terms of that the red card itself, and so
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 10: you know, I think it's a really difficult situation for
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 10: the US because, like you said, Baligant has been utterly fantastic. Uh,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 10: he's just as the way that he's finished, and I
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 10: mean these have not been high priority, you know, high
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 10: percentage chances. I mean his expected goals is one point three.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 10: He's put three goals away, so you can see how
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 10: he's out performing, you know, the expected goals. So and
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 10: you know it's it's a huge loss. But it's going
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 10: to be up to Haji, right and I think Ricardo Peppe,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 10: you know, I think he's going to be the guy
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 10: that's going to have to step in and pick up
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 10: the slack.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a huge challenge.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: Po Chattino has been very good about keeping people off
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: balance with lineups. It would seem if you want to
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: keep the same lineup, you do the like for life swap,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: you keep your listic up top, you swap in Peppy.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: Although I will say as good as you was in
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: the Dutch League this year, I've not been wildly impressed
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: with what I've seen from Pep.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 7: He hasn't created many chances.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: What what what's the expectation around the team because he's
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: been good for club, he's just been kind of mad
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: for country right now, Yeah, I would.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 10: I would point back to the Senegal friendly right before
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 10: the World Cup. Peppy started that match and in that
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 10: game I thought he linked up really well with Polisic.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 10: You know, he was checking back to the ball, getting
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 10: you know, you know, spraying a pass. The Polisic on
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 10: the run in space and so you know, I think,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 10: you know, that's something that that kind of gives me
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 10: a little bit of hope because it seemed like the
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 10: chemistry between those two was really excellent on that day.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 10: I mean, obviously it's tougher when you're coming off the bench,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 10: you know, and you're trying to get up to the
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 10: speed of the game, and you know, obviously the circumstances
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 10: are different. Usually you're trying to close the match out
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 10: rather than than trying to get another goal. But you know,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 10: I think that link play by by Peppy, I think
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 10: that's something that the US is going to try to emphasize.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 10: And yeah, I mean I saw it work in that match,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 10: and you know, I think it can work again. You know,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 10: Belgium is going to play a little bit more open
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 10: than a Bosnia or on Australia or a Paraguay. So
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 10: I think that's gonna help, you know, the US cause
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 10: as well, Uh, as always, the US team is very athletic,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 10: very mobile. You know, we'll see, you know, how Belgium
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 10: is able to cope with that. You know, I think
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 10: it's going to pose an interesting challenge for the Belgians
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 10: let's just say that, and so, uh you know, yeah again,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 10: Baligan is a huge loss. But you know, I think
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 10: there's some ways that uh Peppy's link play can be
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 10: exploited and used by the US to pick up the slack.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: So we love in sports talk radio and in media
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: to talk about legacy Christian Holistic.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 7: He is Captain America.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: He has been the face of US soccer for maybe
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: not quite a decade but pretty much coming up on it.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: He was the golden boy and anointed that way. He
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: has been at times very good. But this is the
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: biggest stage and this is kind of his time with
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: Balligan out in maybe the largest and biggest match he's
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: ever played in, certainly for country. Is this the time
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: for Christian Polisic to step up and kind of say, Okay,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: we've seen other stars, the others that are that are
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: being promoted in commercials and the names we know step
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: up in this World Cup is Monday night. Polisics time.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, But it's gonna have to be other players time too.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 10: I mean, he can't do it by himself. You know,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 10: Soccer I think is in many ways the ultimate team game. Uh,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 10: you know, there's so many moving parts on the field
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 10: at any given time. And you know it's not like
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 10: Polisic is gonna dribble half the length of the field
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 10: and be able to score a goal on his own.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 10: So you know it's gonna take You know, that midfield
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 10: trio of Adams and Tilman and McKenny, you know they
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 10: need to step up. Sergeno desk is gonna have to
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 10: be a threat on the other wing. You know, he's
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 10: he's very tricky, very creative, and so I think if
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 10: those guys can step up, then that's going to bode
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 10: well for Polisic. I mean, they have to play well
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 10: for Polisic to play well.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 7: I think I would agree with you.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: And when I say step up, that doesn't necessarily mean
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: have a brace, a hat trick, whatever it might be.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: But he, to me, he's the creative drive of this team,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: even when Batlegan's there. And so for me, he had
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: that great first forty five minutes against Paraguay, and I
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: know he's worked his way back and I know that
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: Bosnia plays a style that's hard to be wide open
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: and creative. They lay in that back block and they
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: get physical with you. I don't think Belgium's the same way,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: and to your point, I think it might be a
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: match that we are able to see that athleticism, in
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: that creativity of a McKenny, of a dest and certainly
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: of a Polisic on display on Monday night.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, you know, don't forget the outside backs. I mean,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 10: Anthony Robinson and Alex Freeman have both been very good
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 10: in this tournament. I think they picked their spots to
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 10: go forward very astutely. Their timing I think has been impeccable.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 10: You know, I think we can still see more out
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 10: of Anthony Robinson. I think he's got a little bit
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 10: more to give on the attacking end, and I think
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 10: this game against Belgium could could be a real opportunity
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 10: for him to do that.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: The last time these two teams met in a World Cup,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: it was twelve years ago. It was the beginning of
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: the Golden generation for Belgium. We're in the heart of
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: kind of the golden generation for the United States. The
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: Belgians are aging out, but still very good.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: The Troussards, the the Doku's, the Tielman's, the Lucaku's, the Courtoise.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: There are different stages. The de bruynas what's your expectation
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: based on what you've seen, and how much do we
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: read into the five to two decision back in March.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 10: I don't think you read anything into that game. I mean,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 10: certainly you can let me rephrase it's a data point. Yes,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 10: I mean, Jeremy Doku was absolutely lethal in that game.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 10: The US did not know how to stop him. So
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 10: I think that's going to give them, you know, a boost,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 10: just in terms of knowing, Okay, this didn't work, here's
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 10: some things that can work. And the US was missing
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 10: some key players in that match. I mean, if memory
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 10: serves no Tyler Adams, no Chris Richards, you know, and
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 10: I think you had uh and know, Alex Rieman, I
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 10: think on from the start, and so you know, I
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 10: think this lineup, this preferred lineup that Maricent Poschettino has,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 10: it's the pieces just fit well together. And I think
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 10: back in March, the process of creating that puzzle, examining it,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 10: figuring out which pieces fit together, that was still going on.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 10: So you know, I think the US is in a
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 10: very different place than it was back in March. And
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 10: you know, I think they're gonna have build them a
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 10: much tougher game than we saw, you know, in that
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 10: particular window.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: I thought Setegal's athleticism really bothered Belgium yesterday. Can the
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: United States athleticism do the same thing?
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, you know, I think especially in midfield, I mean certainly,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 10: uh Tressard and Tileman's I mean, those those guys are
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 10: in the Premier League for a reason, and so you know,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 10: they're they're very capable and you know, excellent players that
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 10: were able to step up in a big moment and
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 10: and be able to really rescue what was looking like
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 10: a dire situation for Belgium. So uh but I think,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 10: you know, especially you know, I again getting back to
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 10: Anthony Robinson and Alex Freeman, you know, those guys I
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 10: think can really trouble Belgium kind of in unexpected ways.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 10: I mean, you look at the US attack and you're thinking, okay,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 10: politic and death and uh, you know McKenny. But I
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 10: think that those outside backs can really cause some unexpected
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 10: problems and give the US the element of surprise in
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 10: terms of when they get forward. So uh, you know,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 10: I think that's going to be something to watch, and
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 10: you know, to get back to your original point, Absolutely,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 10: the US athleticism can cause them problems, and uh, I
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 10: think that's gonna be one of the more interesting matchups. Uh,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 10: you know between the two teams on Monday.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: It's great to be a host country, great to be
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: a host team. Could the United States ask for a
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: better venue for Monday Night than Seattle?
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 10: Absolutely not. I mean obviously I was there for the
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 10: Australia game. I've been going to games there for years.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 10: I mean I remember, you know, the Sounders winning the
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 10: CONCA Cup Champions Cup. I think it was three years
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 10: ago now, and the crowd support has always been amazing.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 10: I think the turf issue as well as the distance
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 10: has kind of worked against them in terms of not
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 10: hosting more US games. But this is just gonna be
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 10: a fantastic opportunity again for the city to show itself.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 10: I mean it listen that that national anthem when they
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 10: when they sang it in Seattle, you know, for the
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 10: Australia game, I got goosebumps, and uh, you know, I
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 10: expect the crowd support to be you know, even a
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 10: notser too higher, if that's possible. But uh, just an
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 10: amazing venue, amazing city, and you know it's going to
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 10: be uh, you know, a situation where the US can
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 10: have no excuses. Everything is going to line up for
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 10: them in terms of the venue and in terms of
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 10: just having that crowd support. And yeah, Balligan's missing, but
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 10: you know it's time for a guy like Peppy to
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 10: step up. So you know, there are a lot of
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 10: things working in the US's favor.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 7: I would agree with that. Before I let you go,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 7: it is Poachatino back.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 10: Oh, I don't think so. You know, again, he's talked
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 10: so much about loving the Premier League. You know, there's
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 10: there's been a lot of talk about the culture of
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 10: the game in this country, and you know, some of
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 10: the criticisms legit, but some of it is just different,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 10: and I think, you know, sometimes you just got to
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 10: accept that some things are are the way they are
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 10: and aren't going to be changed. Doesn't mean they can't
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 10: be improved, but you know, soccer in this country is
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 10: what it is. So I would love for him to
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 10: come back. I think he's done a fantastic job, but
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 10: I think his heart is in Europe, you know, at
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 10: the highest levels of the club game. But the US
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 10: stuff is gonna do everything they can to keep them.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 10: I mean, they're not gonna just kind of throw up
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 10: their hands and give up. They're gonna They're gonna put
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 10: in every effort that they possibly can to keep put.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 7: Your tuno around. If he does leave, where do you
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 7: turn if you're US soccer.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: Oh that's a good question.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 10: You know, do they splash the cash again?
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 10: Do they try to go for.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 7: You know, a Didder de Shamps.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 10: You know, do they try to go for a Jurgen
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 10: Klop You know, I think you know, Klopp has got
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 10: designed the Germany job right at the moment, so I
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 10: you know, I think that's a super long shot. If
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 10: I'm thinking American options, I think Steve Tarundelo would do
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 10: a fantastic job. Obviously he's been a player for the
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 10: national team. I think he's got enough coaching callouses, if
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 10: you will, to you know, to have the experience needed
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 10: to be able to take on that role. But you know,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 10: I think the USS stuff is kind of enamored with
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 10: the big name at the moment, so you know, I
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 10: think they probably go down that route as opposed to
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 10: hiring a domestic coach.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: I think Tarndolo's got also got the resume, having played
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: overseas and obviously representing the country as well. Wouldn't be
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: a bad American option. But hey, if you can splash
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: the cash and get somebody like a Dechale, that would
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: be something. But yeah, if you advance and get to
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: the next round and then end up getting Beetle wherever
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: you whoever gets the job, the program is in the
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: best position I think it's probably ever been in for somebody.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: And my last thing for you, Jeff, is is this
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: the best US Soccer's ever been in from a talent standpoint,
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: from a vibe standpoint, from the country. You've covered this now,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: actually in this for a long long time. Is US
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: soccer ever been in a better position than they are
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 10: I'd have to say no. I mean, I think when
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 10: you add it all up, you know, I think the
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 10: resources behind the team are immense. I think the US
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 10: program has done a great job of recruiting dual nationals
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 10: but also developing talent, you know, within within the country itself.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 10: So you know, I think there's a lot of there's
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 10: a lot of pipelines that have to be producing the
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 10: goods for an international soccer program, and I think all
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 10: of them are operating at or near their peak. And so,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 10: you know, I think The good thing is that the
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 10: USSF is not going to rest on its laurels. I mean,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 10: they know that they have a lot of work to
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 10: do to try to expand the net in which they
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 10: inspire players. You know, they're trying to make the game
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 10: more accessible. I mean, that's been a long time criticism
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 10: of the sport in the country, A legitimate one in
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 10: my opinion. I think too many kids are just priced
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 10: out of the game before they even get a chance
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 10: to go to an academy or or you know, a
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 10: high level club. So, you know, kudos to the US
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 10: for trying to address that. We'll see how effective it is,
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 10: though people have tried before and not been able to
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 10: make much headway.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: So it's a huge challenge.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 10: But you know, I respect what the US and stuff
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 10: is trying to do and and again trying to expose
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 10: more kids of the game and really make us, you know,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 10: the top sport in the US.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: Jeff, thanks for coming on. It's great catching up with you.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: Has always been too long. Safe travels to Seattle. Keep
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: reading your stuff, appreciate.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 10: It, all right, all right, anytime, Bill, There you go.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 3: Jeff Carlisle with us from ESPN dot com cover the
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: game last night in San Francisco heading to Seattle. It's
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: Monday night. The US men's national team in Belgium in
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: the in the quarterfinals, or the round of sixteen as
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: they like to say, and it should be a lot
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: of fun.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 7: And if they win, they likely get.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: Spain, who, by the way, is zero zero with Austria
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: right now at the first half hydration break. No hydration
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  Speaker 2: What's up?
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  Speaker 9: Bill?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me in.
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  Speaker 7: It's good to see you man here. Has it been
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 7: great being back in town?
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 3: By the way, you've been back for a couple of
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: years now, Yeah, I mean after living down in the
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: desert for many years.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: It's been awesome.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 8: I don't think it'll ever sink in like it's still
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 8: it's it's still just a dream. It doesn't. It just doesn't.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 8: Like NHL and Utah and I'm here. It's I just
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 8: I just keep waiting for it to sink in, and
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 8: it doesn't. It's still that holy well.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: It's so weird to me, having lived here twenty five
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: years now that we have an NHL team haven't And
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: it's been great. I I love going to games, I
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: love being down there. The vibe is excellent. But it's
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: just strange to the NHL's in Salt Lake City.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 8: Having the Boston Bruins and Chicago Blackhawks and New York
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 8: Rangers coming in Salt Lake just as a as an
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 8: everyday thing and not.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 7: As an exhibition game.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: You know, like you'd have the you'd have the you know,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 3: the La Kings come in every year, or the Blues
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: or somebody would come in.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 7: But now, yeah, to have them here is is great.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: And I was in Boston earlier this week and last week,
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 3: and you tell people you're from Utah, They're like, oh,
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: you got an NHL team there. Now people like recognize
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: it's not just oh yeah, and that where the jazz
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: and the Tabernacle choir are. Now there's an NHL team here.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: And when you go to NHL cities, they know there's
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: an NHL team in Salt Lake City.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 8: And words spread fast, I think amongst the players in
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 8: the NHL community, like, okay, this is this is a spot.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 8: Like first of all, right, you know, Smith Entertainment Group
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 8: just goes all in, all out on everything. The Mammothi
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 8: Center is best practice facility in the NHL. And and
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 8: everybody's taken care of. And and then you add Utah
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 8: to the mix. Right, We're not sitting in traffic all day.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 8: We're ten minutes away from being in the mountains to
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 8: the family aspect of it. So it's complete package. And
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 8: as we saw yesterday, guys are are noticing, and I
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 8: think the Mammoth won first day of free agency in
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 8: the NHL. San Jose may have spent the most money,
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 8: the Mammoth won the day.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: Well, tell me how surprised you were about the trade.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: Obviously you work for the team, so maybe you had
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: some insight or had heard some rumors. But you know,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: they trade for a really nice player in Vincent Trocheck,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: a little bit older player, but still a guy that's
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: you know, been really good. Was you know the United
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: States played for Team USA last year, played for the Rangers.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 7: You know, they gave up a little bit to get him.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 7: But what did you make of that trade?
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 8: You know, at the trade deadline last year, he was
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 8: one of the top three guys. Yeah, that was coveted.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 8: And the Minnesota Wild have been the team in the
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 8: last year or so. That's pretty much, you know, gotten everybody.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 8: Quinn Hughes, best best defenseman the NHL. They got him
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 8: from Vancouver. They took some more swings in the deadline
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 8: and they've been really, really aggressive. They spent a lot
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 8: of money. Coroka preesof's the highest paid player in the
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 8: NHL going into this year, seventeen million year. So Minnesota
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 8: has kind of been, you know that the team that's
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 8: been getting everybody, and Minnesota was, you know, reportedly at
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 8: the deadline and and after going into free agency and
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 8: starting things off for twenty six twenty seven, you know,
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 8: the prime location for Vinny Trocheck, as you mentioned, an Olympian,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 8: and you know he had had a no trade trade
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 8: clause and teams on that list, and and for for
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 8: Utah to get him. When we woke up yesterday read Mammoth,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 8: Mammoth are very interested in Minnie Trocheck. And Mike Fulton,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 8: my broadcast partner on Hockey Night Utah, sends me a
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 8: text about this time yesterday. He's like, I'm hearing we're
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 8: in on Trocheck. I'm like cool, and you know it.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: It happened.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 8: And and so you get a player like that, early thirties,
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 8: three year left on his contract, five point sixty five
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 8: million a year. It's manageable for the AAV The Mammoth
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 8: are actually going to get a bargain out of it,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 8: because he doesn't actually make that he'll make six million
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 8: million this upcoming year four point five million and four.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 8: So the way that the deal was laid out, Utah
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 8: is gonna end up playing less. So it's a guy
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 8: they wanted. But Bill, you look at what he does,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 8: he's just he seems.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: Like a perfect fit.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 8: He's he's urgent with the puck, passing, shooting, he's got
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 8: an instinct. But when he doesn't have the puck, he's
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 8: in front of the net. And that's That's one thing
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 8: I think you could say about Utah the last year
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 8: or so is Gosh, get some more bodies in front
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 8: of the net. We're gonna score. We have so much skill,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 8: just just kind of been going to the net by committee.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 8: Bill Armstrong saying yesterday, you know when you have guys
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 8: like Finni, Trochik and anders Lee the other big acquisition,
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 8: when they their instinct their DNA is going to the net,
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 8: then you got the two other guys on the forward line,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 8: they kind of do their thing and not everybody's trying
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 8: to get to the net. So h and I think
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 8: it's a huge acquisition. He's great in the faceoff circle.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 8: He would have been the best on the Mammoth and
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 8: faceoffs last year or so. So huge acquisition there, and
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 8: then you know we're thinking, okay, great day, got the
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 8: acquisition of the day in the NHL. And then andrews Lee,
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 8: an eight year captain with the Islanders, signs with the
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 8: Utah a few minutes later, do a three year deal.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 7: Where's leif it in?
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 8: You know you could you could look at him with
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 8: Gunther and Cooley he wanted Yamamoto finished the year with
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 8: those guys, did a great job or in a two
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 8: year contract earlier this week. He's another guy when we
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 8: get a guy. Obviously, just don't see a lot of
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 8: Anny Trocheck when he's playing for the Rangers and more
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 8: in Utah, and andrews Lee even less playing for the
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 8: Islanders and we're in Utah. We play those teams twice
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 8: a year. So you know, as a watching the NHL,
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 8: you know who the guys are and you know they're
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 8: good and valuable. But when you when you start watching
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 8: you know their games and their highlights, you're like, Okay,
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 8: the way they score goals is exactly what the Mammoth need.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 8: Like every single one of Lee's goals that I watched,
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 8: and he's got nineteen or more goals in all ten
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 8: full seasons in the NHL that he's played, he's in
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 8: front of the net, he's tipping, he's crashing, he's banging,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 8: he's somewhere around that blue paint. Because NHL goalies make
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 8: make saves, they deny the pretty plays. It's on second,
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 8: third chances where you can really make an impact. In
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 8: last year, Mammoth made a huge jump getting into the playoffs,
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 8: getting over three goals a game. That's that's you know,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 8: if you're gonna look at one metric, get into the
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 8: playoffs in year two, that's it. Get over three goals
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 8: a game. They were under three in the first year.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 8: So I think these two guys are really gonna add
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 8: some jam. You know, eight year captain for Lee, Trocheck
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 8: and alternate captain's been in the conference finals twice in
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 8: the last five years. They both play. You know, they're
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 8: pretty durable and and you know, Trocheck's a guy that
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 8: it's just kind of he's five foot eleven, so it
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 8: was a third round that's why he wasn't ader. But
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 8: he's just got the reputation of just kind of being
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 8: being a dog out there.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 5: And Lee.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 8: Have heard nothing but unbelievable stuff about his character and
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 8: what a captain. He was, and he won the NHL
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 8: award in twenty twenty four, the King Clancy Award for
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 8: leadership on and off the ice and in the community.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: So I think, you know, when we.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 8: Went down to the Ice Center last night and heard
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 8: from President of Hockey Operations Chris Armstrong and GM Bill Armstrong,
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 8: pretty happy, pretty happy guys.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 5: So they make two big, big splashes on day one.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 5: Are they done?
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: Do you think with big splashes? I mean, what still
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: are we looking at right now, Adrian?
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 8: So they add a centerman down the metal trot chack
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 8: one of the needs on the left side, you could say,
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 8: anders Lee fills avoid there looking pretty good on fords
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 8: Right now, we're not even talking about the prospects coming up,
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 8: the first rounders that are going in camp with a
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 8: chance to knock somebody out of a job. Maybe if
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 8: you're looking at something, maybe another defenseman or two, and
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 8: that could be coming up in the pipeline with the
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 8: player like Dimitri Simashev, who who started the year last
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 8: year and was kind of up and down between here
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 8: and the AHL and and the way things played. You know,
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 8: as the season went out, he was he was, he
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 8: was in and he is out, But I've heard great
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 8: stuff about his offseason and and what he was sent
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 8: back home to Russia with to work on. Nick de
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 8: Simone is utah seventh defenseman who you know was playing
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 8: over veteran d last year at points in the lineup
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 8: to to coach his decisions. But yeah, and and they
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 8: signed a depth d man yesterday to a two way contract.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 8: Zach Jones played over one hundred games with the Rangers.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 8: You know, you'd think ticketed to the American Hockey League,
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 8: he could make the team. But but I think if
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 8: you're if you're looking okay, what else could we use?
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 8: Maybe another or another right shot defenseman at one to
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 8: two million a year, even three, just to stay keep
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 8: keep the flexibility. But the A fifty in a sixty,
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 8: I think the two spots on the roster after getting
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 8: the backup goalie situation taking care of during the trade
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 8: with or during the draft, I should say with Sebastian Coosa.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 7: So relative to the to the to the central and
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 7: in the West, it was a good year. Last year.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: You took the Golden Knights all the way to the
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: very end. Where do you think the Mammoth sit now?
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: Are they in a better position than they were at
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: the end of the year. Obviously adding with the two
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: big ads yesterday, and as you mentioned, some of the
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: things that you don't always necessarily talk about, and we
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: talked about this when the team came here two years
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: ago and even over the last year or so. There's
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of great young talent in the pipeline coming up.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: So this is a franchiseness on the rise, albeit playing
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: in a very tough Western Conference, in a very tough
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: division with the Stars and the Wild and the Avalanche.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: So tell me where right now, early on in July
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: you think this team sits Right now?
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 8: I think the rest of the NHL yesterday is looking
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 8: at Utah and they're like, oh boy, yeah, wow, they're serious.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 8: And the Minnesota Wild in particular, I can't be real
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 8: thrilled that the Mammoth just came in and took two
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 8: guys that they wanted. Anders Lee is a native of Minnesota.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 8: He's from a Dina, Minnesota, a suburb of the Twin Cities,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 8: and the Mammoth gave him a presentation that he that
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 8: he couldn't turn down. Same thing with Benny Trochick. The
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 8: report out there is Utah just kept coming. They just
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 8: kept pushing and and and and he said yes.
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: So I think.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 8: From the playoffs to now you had a chance to
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 8: evaluate and say, okay, we lost to a veteran Vegas
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 8: team because dot dot dot their experience. I think he
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 8: can say, you know, a team making their first trip
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 8: into the Stanleyship playoffs, there's gonna be some some lessons.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 8: And you know, I don't think there's a golden ticket
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 8: that says, Okay, we just signed Benny Trochick and andrews
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 8: Lee were going to the conference finals. But it it
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 8: just elevates you to a level where I think you
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 8: could take one of those three spots in the central
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 8: be it from Minnesota, be it from Dallas, be it
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 8: from Colorado. I think Utah goes right into that mix
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 8: where they're not necessarily you know, type casts as a
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 8: wild card team. And they they said yesterday the press conference,
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 8: Bill and Chris like, yeah, we we felled after watching
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 8: that playoff series and digesting it. We could use another
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 8: guy like Denny Trochak and Anders Lee with experienced leadership,
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 8: but just just some of that that's uh, that bite
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 8: that that you need in the playoffs and every game
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 8: is two one, three, two, going to overtime, going to
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 8: double overtime, one goal games in the third period that
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 8: you can't hold on to.
• 2:16:47
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  Speaker 3: Industries and Valley Plumbing, Heating, cooling and more So, pretty well,
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: pretty well situated right now where things are I just mentioned,
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: is are there other places they could look to add
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: to either depth or frontline talent, any.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 7: Other potential targets you could see them.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: Going after here in the next week and days weeks
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 3: to kind of strengthen what they have already.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 8: Looking at the free agents left right, going from day
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 8: one to day two, you always got some guys left
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 8: that either didn't get what they were thinking right or
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 8: there might be kind of a liability on them. For me,
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 8: I look at the d that are still out there
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 8: in free agency, and I see, you know, a guy
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 8: like John Klingberg who was in San Jose. There's a
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 8: couple others and they're strong offensively, but the defensive aspect
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 8: of them being a defenseman in the NHL is is
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 8: you know, probably why they weren't signed yesterday. So I
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 8: think for Utah, you know, they they might find another
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 8: guy that could be a tweeer between the HL and
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 8: the NHL, like Zach Jones, who who they signed yesterday.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 8: I don't see anybody still out there as far as
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 8: de goes in terms of free agents, just just in
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 8: terms of you know, we need a D who's gonna
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 8: play D right. So that's that's why John Klingberg doesn't
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 8: get signed. And you can go down the list, uh,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 8: Logan Stanley who went from Winnipeg to Buffalo at the
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 8: trade deadline, there's they're just not defensive defensemen and that's
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 8: what you want, five six on your third pairing. How
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 8: do they feel about goalie and depth right now? I
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 8: think they feel great. Sebastian Coosa. It's a first round
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 8: pick acquired at the trade deadline on Friday or I'm
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 8: sorry keeps saying trade deadline at the draft on Friday
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 8: with one of the picks they used that they got
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 8: in return for JJ peterca And he's a guy that
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 8: I think if they would have told him, hey man,
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 8: you know you've been in the AHL for the last
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 8: three years, come compete for a backup spot.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: We'll sign you to a contract.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 8: He would have said sure, but Bill was pretty bullish
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 8: that he's going to be our backup, starting with the
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 8: press conference after the first round of the draft, to
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 8: the point brings him into Utah, shows him around, sign
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 8: and signs him to a two year, two million dollars
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 8: a year contract. On Tuesday, introduced him to the media
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 8: the guy that been watching for the last.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: Three four years.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 8: Because it's funny, you know, when when you're scouting guys
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 8: like say, for instance, Dllan gun they are playing juniors
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 8: in Edmonton winning championship. His goalie Sebastian Cosa there the
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 8: GM of Edmonton, who's now a scout for Utah. That's
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 8: another connection that you got there. Randy Hannish was the
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 8: GM of the Edmonton Oil Kings when Gunter played there
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 8: in Cosa was the goalie and now he's part of
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 8: the team. Not to mention the fact that you know,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 8: when you drafted Dylan Gunther ninth overall, you knew that
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 8: was your guy because all you did was watch all
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 8: of his games, watch all of his tape, and you
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 8: might happen to notice that they've got a six foot
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 8: seven goalie down there who was also a big part
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 8: of them winning the league championship too, So a guy
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 8: that they had been watching that they had been quote
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 8: unquote hunting for a couple of years, and they had
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 8: an opportunity to go in and get him and build.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 8: Not to mention any names, but there's just some teams
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 8: out there in the NHL that you just wonder what
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 8: are they doing with their prospects. Like their AHL team
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 8: wins every year. Their AHL guys have great numbers, and
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 8: they keep signing veterans. Other guys journey to take spots
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 8: at the NHL level, And Detroit traded for for a
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 8: veteran and John Gibson last year, and Cam Talbot was
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 8: their other goalie who's been in the league for ages.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 8: And Sebastian Cosa was just kind of there hanging out
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 8: in Western Michigan.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 7: Mike might end up benefiting the and the Mammoth.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 8: And Bill said, he's proven, like you said, you've when
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 8: you play in the HL for three years like that,
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 8: and you have the numbers he does and the experience,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 8: you're ready to be an NHL backup.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 7: Anything else surprise you. Outside the Mammoth yesterday, around the league.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 8: You always look around at teams that you know, have
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 8: a lot of money, have a lot of calf space,
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 8: and just it's burning a hole in their pocket. Uh
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 8: Santose Sharks went and got two really high priced defenseman
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 8: Jacob Truba, who's in his thirties. They signed him to
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 8: a long term deal for over eight million a year.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 8: They needed help on D so, okay, they're young with
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 8: Maclin Celebrati and Will Smith. They got a lot of
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 8: talent up front. They're they're looking to add to the
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 8: their D. And then they acquired Darnell Nurse, making over
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 8: nine million a year with the Edmonton Oilers as another
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 8: defenseman and there's no salary being retained by the Oilers.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 8: So that's that's that's what I look at like San
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 8: Jose added to their D. But they spent a lot
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 8: of money. And you know, Bill Armstrong's always kind of
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 8: been a nibbler when it comes to you know that
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 8: that first day of free agency, and he made some
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 8: moves yesterday. But the San Jose is kind of where
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 8: the Mammoth of Ben in the last couple of years,
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 8: kind of just missed the playoffs this year, kind of
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 8: ready to make that move, and you kind of wonder
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 8: Oh boy, did.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: That did that yesterday? Is that the best for them?
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 8: Chicago Blackhawks another team as well that that's that's on
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 8: the up and coming you hear, And they spent over
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 8: twelve million on Bowen Byram, who's you know, probably a
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 8: second pair D man the NHL, and they used a
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 8: fourth overall pick to get him last week and he
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 8: was a restriction free agent, so I had to sign him.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 8: So kind of looking at Chicago, like Chicago like because
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 8: because Utah's got their model and we've seen it coming
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 8: up every year. But the team's like you're looking in
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 8: the review mirror on Chicago and San Jose you're kind
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 8: of wondering, Oh boy, was was that the best day
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 8: they could have had yesterday?
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: Alexandro Vetchkin coming back for twenty second year. I was
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 3: at the game when the Caps came down this year.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: He had a hat trick. Yeah, he skate a lot,
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 3: but he had a hat trick.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 8: That was That was a game that that for the
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 8: Mammoth was like, I don't want to say a scared
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 8: straight moment. But they had a meeting after that that
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 8: contest the next day at the Ice Center and they're like,
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 8: we haven't made the playoffs yet, and this is what
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 8: we need to do to get into the playoffs. And
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 8: they won five straight games and clinched that spot. But
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 8: that game was a brawl too, by the way, that
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 8: was it wasn't wasn't what the Mammoth were hoping it'd be.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 8: And and Tom Wilson got under everybody's skin and then
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 8: as he does, and the Mammoth unraveled from a discipline standpoint,
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 8: it just wasn't what you were hoping for. When Alexandrovetchkin
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 8: comes in on a Thursday night in March and it's
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 8: a huge game at home, so to bring it around,
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 8: like as you said, when he's got the puck on
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 8: his stick, he just he's terrific. Yeah, he scored five
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 8: goals in two games at the Dela Center. So for
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 8: however long that he does this, uh Utah. Fans have
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 8: seen some some pretty good performances from him in his
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 8: two games, and I'm glad he's back because he's like
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 8: Sidney Crosby. Yeah, it's it's not not one of those
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 8: guys where you're like, yeah, he's the best, but nobody
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 8: likes him like he's the best, and everybody loves it.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 7: Correct.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 8: So he's he's he's fun to watch. On a random
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 8: night when TNT has a game on and we're not playing,
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 8: you just tune in to watch Alexandrovitchkin and and and
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 8: I kind of expected him to come back, So I
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 8: just didn't think.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't think he could hang it up.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't really give any indication that he was
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: he was going to retire.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: Just didn't think he could do it. Yeah, we need him.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: The other thing that I saw yesterday that caught my
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: eye was Bobrovsky leaving Florida to go to Toronto.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: I think that's really really interesting because he.
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 3: Just seemed to be such a fabric of all those
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: great Panthers, especially with what the Panthers did this offseason
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 3: bringing the Kachucks together.
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 7: It was just maybe maybe the offer was just too good.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 8: You know, he made ten million a year on that
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 8: contract that just expired, which is a lot, and Carolina
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 8: and Vegas basically just showed that you can get to
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 8: the Stanley Cup Final with just okay goaltending and not
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 8: a star, and at the nhlsa copycat league. So everybody
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 8: sees that, and I see it, you know, he's not
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 8: going to get ten million again. And you know what
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 8: Florida's going to be offering him somewhere around six seven million,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 8: which they just got a goalie they try. I did
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 8: four that makes exactly that, And so that kind of
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 8: signaled the end of Bobrovski and Florida. And I'm thinking
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 8: Tuesday afternoon, like, this is so awkward because he's gonna
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 8: go somewhere else and make six seven million, and that's
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 8: exactly what Toronto gave him. But you know, when you
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 8: have a year of negotiations and you're you're just not close, sometimes,
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 8: you know, feelings get hurt and there's emotion, and it's
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 8: just easier to go take the same salary somewhere else,
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 8: just to say I told you so. But I think
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 8: I think the Florida Panthers would have given him exactly
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 8: what Toronto got.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: But the the the boat had left the dock.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 7: And so it had sailed. Hey, we've got a break.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 7: It's great to see you.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: Oh thanks Bill, thanks for having.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: Me, Thanks for coming in today and shitting in with me.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 3: Sean's usually in here, but until full Ti said hello.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 8: Mike's already said hello, And I didn't tell you. We
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 8: were just down at the at the Mammoth I Center
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 8: for the development camp.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: Screw by the way, I want to come down and
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: give me a tour, So you and Fold to give
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: me a tours. I haven't been in there yet, so
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 3: I want I want to come down to Sandy and
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 3: get a tour.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 7: One of these days.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: We'll put the key card to work. See what it opens.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 3: That's great. I want to get the behind the scenes tour. Adrian,
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 3: thanks for doing it. Thanks Bill, go toa grab a break.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 3: We'll come back and wrap it up. A little topical
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 3: trivia next here on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
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  Speaker 3: one FM.
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  Speaker 1: As I was listening to a Sean O'Connell show from
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: the Murdoch Hyundai studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 1: two to one FM.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 3: All right, one Nothing Spain. They've reached halftime. It could
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 3: very easily be about seven Nothing Spain right now.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 7: They're really good.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: We'll give you an update spence to keep you updated
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 3: on that as the afternoon goes along. Topical trivia today,
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: I've got two passes to the Yours Always Music.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 7: Festival which later this year.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 3: I think it was kind of like the same time
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: as that Red West was last year Benson Boone, the
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 3: guy that does backflips and plays the piano, be on stage.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 7: Spence, check its favorite.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 3: What was the score of the last time the United
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 3: States and Belgium played in the World Cup? If you
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 3: know the answer to that, it was twelve years ago.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: If you know the final score to that matchup, texted
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 3: in right now to eight seven seven three five three
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 3: zero seven hundred and if you nail it, one of
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: you will get those tickets to see Benson Boone at
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 3: the State Fair Park later this year at the Yours
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: Always Music Festival. What was the score of the last
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 3: time the US and Belgium played in the World Cup?
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 3: Some twelve years ago in twenty fourteen, Spence, Hey, man,
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen you since the next You look like
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 3: a different man. I got a championship glow about.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 5: I still can't believe it's real. Will you turn my
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 5: ears up just a little bit? Were on your board?
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 7: Yep? Perfect better? Okay, good to see it, man, Yeah,
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 7: I still there's just something about it. You know what
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 7: it's like?
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 5: You were a long suffering fan of several teams and
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 5: name the chiefs and would actually finally won it.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 7: I didn't think they would.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 5: I never thought they would in my lifetime, not as
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 5: long as the lead singer and kazoo player.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 7: From JD and the straight Shot owns the basketball team.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 3: And by the way, he was so awkward on the trophy,
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 3: it was like there are I was just like, put,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know why they have owners up there to
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 3: begin with.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and say coaches win championships.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 5: It wasn't even the right color color orange, nice jacket,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 5: you goob, I mean, I mean. The weird thing is
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 5: that's how he is in real life. Like when you
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 5: meet him, it's awkward. He wants like he it's all
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 5: the nears you're talking to fake teeth. And you know,
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 5: for years and years and years he used heavy sedatives
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 5: because he was so awkward in social settings, and now
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 5: that he's sober, he's even more awkward in social settings.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 5: So respect for getting sober and all that, but there's
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 5: something so uncomfortable about talking to Jim Dolan, And now
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 5: the entire world has seen it because it wasn't just
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 5: the championship trophy celebration then it was the parade where
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 5: he decided to take the oxygen out of the entire city.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: The look.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 5: Bottom line is I am one that will fully admit
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 5: when New York wins something, there's a lot of like
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 5: extra New York that people get tired of, and I
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 5: think it makes a lot of people hate the Knicks
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 5: or the Yankees or whatever. I think this is generally speaking,
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 5: like genuinely speaking, if I take my Nick fan hat off,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 5: I think it's a really likable team.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 6: It is.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 3: That's why I told you I was I'm not generally
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 3: a big New York but I was rooting for your
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 3: Knicks the whole way. I found them to be more
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 3: likable than the Spurs were. The whole win. Bin Yama
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 3: air about him. He's a great player and all, but
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 3: the way he carried himself I didn't care for. And
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 3: there was something likable about Brunson and the big goofball
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 3: Karl Anthony Town who is somehow a better, more dialed
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: in player.
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 7: I've always liked Mike Brown.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 3: I just always thought he kind of was a good
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: coach that was in some tough situations, and I think
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: he did a good job.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 7: I like the way they put the team together.
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 9: I liked it.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 7: I just I thought it was a lot of what
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 7: was it like being when.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 5: You were a game four right, We actually didn't I'll
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 5: tell you he didn't end up going. I'll tell you
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 5: off air what happened. It's another nod to our friend
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 5: Jimmy Dolan. We weren't able to make it happen. We
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 5: were going to go. But my son, as you know,
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 5: is living back there. He and my brother Ben went
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 5: to game three where there was too much orange and
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 5: not enough blue in the building where they actually lost
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 5: that game because it took him three hours to get
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 5: in because of the Trump security stuff. But for every
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 5: other game he went to watch parties around the city
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 5: and he would FaceTime me at the watch parties, so
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 5: we kind of watched like we saw OG's tip jumping together.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 5: He actually had left the watch party and he facetimed
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 5: me as he was on his scooter going to his
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 5: car and I'm like, buddy, you got to turn around.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 7: Okay, they're coming back.
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 5: And then after the final game in San Antonio, he
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 5: facetimed me as he was walking home from the Upper
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 5: West Side. So it was kind of cool because he's
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 5: about my age. I was his age when the Knicks
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 5: one of the finals in ninety nine. Yep, we're about
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 5: the same age. So to see it through his eyes
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 5: in the city was really cool, you know. The deal
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 5: like one of the cool things about sports when your
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 5: dad is maybe your son latches onto the team you
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 5: like and you're watching the game together, and I have
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 5: failed this poor boy so miserably because he's a Jets
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 5: fan and a Knicks fan, and we all love the
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 5: Jazz want the Jazz to do so. Finally one of
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 5: his teams won a trophy, so that that was cool.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 7: I had Gordian here speaking to the Jazz. He liked
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 7: the Kessler deal.
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 3: Nobody wanted to see Walker Kesler go because he's a
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: good player, but he was asking for a lot of money. Yeah,
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 3: and Gordy liked the fact that the Jazz hill pretty
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 3: firm with what I thought was a pretty good offer
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: five years, hundred and forty million dollars. Did you feel
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: like they got enough back in return?
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 5: I was talking to somebody I'll tell you off air
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 5: over there today actually, and he said we didn't want
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 5: to lose him, but when we realized we could flip
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 5: him for this, we felt like we had to do it.
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 5: So it wasn't necessarily we didn't want to match it.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 5: He said, we were going to match it and bring
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 5: him back. But then the Lakers said, okay, well before
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 5: you match the offer sheet, we're going to give you
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 5: four protective first round picks.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 7: Jaln Brown got traded for two right now.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 5: They also got Paul George, but Paul George is no
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 5: longer a guy you can count on for anything. So
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 5: you know, they gave away a lot of capital for
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 5: Jaron Jackson Junior. Now they restock that cupboard in a vacuum.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 5: They're worse today than they were yesterday. But honestly, I
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 5: don't know this to be true, Bill, but there's part
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 5: of me that believes their thought process is our timeline
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 5: starts with Darren and Ace, who are nineteen. Because Lemen
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 5: San Antonio is so good and so young, Oklahoma City
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 5: is so good and so young. Even with Walker Kessler,
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 5: you're probably the sixth or the seventh best team in
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 5: the West this year. So it's frustrating because the message
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 5: to the fans continues to be we're playing the long game.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 5: But I think they think they have two star players
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 5: and they're nineteen years old. So now what you have
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 5: is like, Okay, we like Larry, We like Jaron Jackson Junior. Okay,
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 5: we like the vets that we have, and we're gonna
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 5: start winning. So now these young players can actually learn
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 5: to do that. We're not gonna win any trophies. Nobody
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 5: thinks they're going to do that. But as Larry gets
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 5: into his thirties and Jaron Jackson Junior is into his
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 5: late twenties, and Ace and Darren are twenty three twenty four,
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 5: I think that's when they feel like they're going to
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 5: kind of crystallize the whole thing. And teams need draft picks,
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 5: and the Jazz now have a ton, so we thought
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 5: the days of trading their best players for draft capital
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 5: is over. But the value play, according to them, was
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 5: too much for them to pass up.
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well see how it plays. I don't dislike it.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm a little neutral on it. I hearing
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 3: that they like those picks. You never know what the
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 3: Lakers are going to be, the health of Luca, things
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 3: like that. But more than anything else, Walker Kessler was
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 3: never an all star. He was I mean, he was
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 3: a nice player who also battled some injuries and was
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 3: asking for pretty crazy money.
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and he's good. I think he'll fit in well
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 7: with Luca.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 5: I think that's a good pairing when you look at
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 5: what Luca did with lesser centers in Dallas.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 7: Walker can catch lobs. He's a good pick and role player.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 5: Lakers really haven't out of center since your doppelganger pawgas
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 5: All was my guys, I still feel bad about the
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 5: Ted Cruise drop dude that I played on a couple
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 5: of weeks. It was still mean, you're a better looking
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 5: guy than Ted Cruise.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 5: I appreciate that, But the Lakers, you're better looking than
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 5: Ted Cruz.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 7: I actually use that on a buddy of mine once.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, you remind me of Ted Cruise
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 5: in a good way, and he was so confused, He's like,
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 5: are you talking physically when you were? It does kind
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 5: of sting that you made the Lakers better, you know,
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 5: because Kawhi gets traded East. Luckily, Jalen stayed back East
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 5: and Yanna stayed back East. But you don't want to
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 5: make the teams in your conference better if you can
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 5: help it. But look, as hard as it is for
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 5: this fan base to hear, this is a team that
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 5: is still a number of years away from competing for
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 5: anything other than playing they just.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 7: Are Are you all in on US men's national team
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 7: right now? Yes, oh man.
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 5: And and thank you for for texting me the highlights
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 5: of your calls, because it does remind me of like
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 5: the big RSL moments. You were on the mic for
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 5: pretty much all of them. And look, you know me,
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 5: I am still someone who is a little bit of
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 5: a neofi with soccer, and I was anti soccer back
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 5: in the day.
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 7: So I have come to love this tournament so much.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 5: And it goes away for four years, you kind of
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 5: forget about it, and then it comes back and you know,
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 5: obviously in the summer window here in Utah without hopefully
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 5: a baseball team at some point will come. Yeah, you
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 5: need things to get into and this has been a
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 5: really really really cool thing. Like I love every match
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 5: because the vignettes before you learn these stories of these
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 5: players that some of them came from nothing and like
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 5: Favella's and turned out to be world global superstars. But
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 5: I've been wildly impressed with the US men's national team.
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 5: I heard Bruce Arena say today that that's a red
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 5: card on Flowballigan.
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 7: There's some people that believe that it actually was.
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 3: He's the outlier in that then, because everybody else is
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  Speaker 3: said it's not. And when you stop it and look
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  Speaker 3: at it frame by frame, yes, but that's not what
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  Speaker 3: you're supposed to do with VAR, right, it's not supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be slow motion or frame by frame replays.
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  Speaker 7: And everybody said there was no intense. It was two guys.
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  Speaker 3: Clattering trying to get the ball, and yeah, his his,
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't even a yellow in real time exactly.
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  Speaker 7: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: The referee didn't think anything of it in real time
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  Speaker 3: to even issue more than just a foul on the play.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you and I used to debate like we
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  Speaker 5: did radio before replay was the thing. Yes, we'd always say,
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  Speaker 5: well wait a second, if we can see the call
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  Speaker 5: on our couch. The ref should have the ability to
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  Speaker 5: have somebody with a monitor say, wait, you got that wrong.
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  Speaker 5: It's all good you're doing, you did you ask, good job, ref,
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  Speaker 5: But I've got the monitor here and you got it wrong.
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  Speaker 5: What's the point of replayer, VAR if you're just gonna
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  Speaker 5: get it wrong. Because and I've always believed this to
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  Speaker 5: be true outside of some sort of like here's a
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  Speaker 5: throwback for you, Marcus MOUNDAINI breaking Javier's leg outside of
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  Speaker 5: something like that, right, a red card is so punitive
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  Speaker 5: and on the world stage, when the US has an
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  Speaker 5: opportunity to go to the quarters for the first time
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  Speaker 5: since two thousand and two and you take away their
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  Speaker 5: best striker, right, it feels so punitive. Like, okay, red card. Again,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it was a red but okay, okay,
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  Speaker 5: let's it is. You pulled the card. Sit for the
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  Speaker 5: rest of the game, and I don't know, maybe a half,
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  Speaker 5: but not even that. I don't like you do with
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 5: targeting in college football, yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 7: I mean I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: And there's no appeal process. There should be an appeal process.
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  Speaker 2: I heard.
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  Speaker 5: Somebody earlier today on one of the shows out in
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  Speaker 5: the background. He said, maybe FIFA will do the right
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  Speaker 5: thing and re sind this, and I said, I don't
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  Speaker 5: think FIFA's ever done the right thing ever in history
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  Speaker 5: about anything.
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  Speaker 3: Well, with a bride, perhaps, much like the IOC, FIFA
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  Speaker 3: can be bought. That is true, one does have a price.
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  Speaker 9: So we.
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  Speaker 3: You and I were there for the greatest moment rail
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  Speaker 3: Salt Lake history in Seattle. I don't think that there
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  Speaker 3: could be a better venue for this. It's the greatest time.
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  Speaker 3: I mean we've seen over the year. There are very
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  Speaker 3: few places for World Cup qualifiers. That's a home field
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  Speaker 3: advantage for the United States when you're playing a Mexico
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  Speaker 3: or somebody like that. Yeah, this will be a definitive
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 3: home field advantage. Everything aside from the battlegan Red will
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 3: be on their side.
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  Speaker 5: I completely agree. It is the best city for this,
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  Speaker 5: and hipster's dirty. Hipsters love soccer, so the Seattle fans
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  Speaker 5: will be there in full force.
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  Speaker 7: Do you think they go like for like? Do you
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 7: think it's just peppy or anythink?
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  Speaker 3: Although Pochatino's been really good about changing some things up,
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  Speaker 3: But I think that if you've got a healthy polistic
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  Speaker 3: i'd like him to show up a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: than he has so far. I think you could probably
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 3: do that like for like, and if he's not showing up,
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 3: then you make that switch. You're going to have to
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 3: score two or three to probably beat Belgium.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Greg Burhalter, it's weird that he's doing commentary on this stuff.
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  Speaker 7: His kids on the team and he coached the entire group.
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 5: But he gave a pretty good breakdown earlier today on
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 5: how they're not necessarily utilizing Christian because when he gets
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 5: the ball at his feet, his dynamic movement.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know that we've ever had a player on
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 7: our team that can do what he does.
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  Speaker 5: And you can see that he strikes fear in the
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 5: defense and he's out wide left and I get why
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 5: because you want him cutting in. But I wouldn't mind
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  Speaker 5: seeing it because I really like Tim Waya, and I
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 5: don't know that the Bochettino likes him much. I wouldn't
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 5: mind seeing Waya take polistic spot and then put polistic
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 5: as that kind of faults and iron.
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  Speaker 7: But we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, way It was pretty bad in the one appearance
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  Speaker 3: he's made so far. By the way, Tim Reem will
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 3: feel very at home in Seattle, Yes he will, doesn't
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 3: He look like you could be at the corner cafe?
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely?
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a little uh match, little Macha Latte potentially listening
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 5: to some death cap for QUD B sides. Yeah, but
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 5: probably the twin brother of your producer, Porter Larson. You
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 5: know he has cut his hair. Porter and I both
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 5: were rocking the long hair for a while.
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 5: Porter does this weird thing where he grows it out
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 5: all year and then has one like Britney Spears melt
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 5: down and shapes his out and shows up and I'm.
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 7: Like, are you good, dude? Everything all right? So he's
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 7: I don't know where he's at in the growth, but
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 7: he does look a little bit like Tim Ray a
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 7: little bit. So what do you hat on the show?
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 7: First of all, love the dump today, Glad you got
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 7: the daily dump out. That was awesome. Quick, quick dumb today.
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  Speaker 5: Every time I hear you say that when I'm listening,
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 5: come up next, we'll do our daily dumb like can
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 5: we repair on that?
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 7: Anyway?
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 5: Today, We've got Dave mcminnamon on the show, who of
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 5: course covers the Lakers for ESPN, And we'll do a
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 5: lot of Walker Kessler.
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 7: Lebron James was on the show. Lebron James is on
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 7: the show.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 5: Wow, now he might cancel, so just stay tuned for that,
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 5: Chad Ford, who did the Draft for a number of years.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 7: And we'll do a little golf with Paul pug Meyer.
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 5: I played in the media and tournament yesterday up the
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 5: Soldier Hollow, so Paul was there, and also Sarah Todd.
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  Speaker 7: From The d News tell Sarah I said, hello, Well, is.
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  Speaker 2: That it out?
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 7: Of the list. You only want me to say hello
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 7: to her. Well, I mean Paul, you can say hello
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 7: to Paul. I like Paul too.
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 3: If Lebron shows up, stay tuned, it would be a
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 3: big gift for you guys.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 7: Again, he might.
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 5: Cancel, just wait and see. He may be looking at
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 5: Salt Lake as one of his destinations. Probably not, but
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 5: stranger things have happened. This league is wild now, man,
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 5: it's crazy. Where do you think he ends up? Gold
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 5: leveland Well.
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 7: I feel I still feel like Golden State wants to
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 7: make that happen.
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 5: He'd have to take a pay cut, and he's always
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 5: been like, I'm Lebron James, I don't take a pay cut.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 5: If you look at the odds, it's either Golden State
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 5: or Cleveland. I don't want to see him on San
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 5: Antonio or Oklahoma City. It feels unfair, it does.
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, although he'd be a great fit in San Antonio
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 3: as an older I mean, that's what they were missing
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 3: down the stretch in those games against the Nicks. Somebody
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 3: that's been there and said, let's call him down fellas.
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 7: We're supposed to be.
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 5: Dear Fox, how do you like him on your roster
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 5: for two hundred and twenty mil for the next five years.
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 7: By the way, four years.
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 3: Excuse me, they should be playing Ron Harper's kid. They
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 3: will starting next forty seven minutes a game. Good player,
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 3: good to see it, good to see her else. All right,
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 3: that's it. Thanks to Sean for having me in today.
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 3: Thanks to everybody who joined us. Shan will be back
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 3: on Monday. I'll see spenc and Shawn and Dallas next week.
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 3: A big twelve media days. Enjoy your weekend, happy two fifty.
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 3: Get ready for some great soccer all weekend long. By
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