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The Art of Motion: Swiss Champions on Mastering Artistic Cycling · Zone2Speak Podcast

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Welcome back to Zone to Speak. Today, I am thrilled to bring a conversation
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that's a little different and absolutely incredible.
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Joining me are Larissa Tanner and Simona Luca, multiple-time Swiss champions
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in the breathtaking sport of artistic cycling.
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Larissa and Simona have taken the world by storm with their precision,
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strength, artistry, and fearless performances.
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In this episode, I will dive into their journey on the top, to the top,
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and what it takes to master this unique and demanding discipline,
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and how they balance the intense physical demands with the artistry that makes
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artistic cycling so captivating.
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I will talk about their training, their mindset behind pulling off impossible
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feats, what motivates them, and their dream for the future. So, let's get into it.
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Larissa Simona, welcome to Zone to Speak.
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Hi there. Hello. Thanks, Eva.
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Thanks for being here. So tell me, how did each of you discover artistic cycling?
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Yeah, for me, I started when I was seven years old. Wow.
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There is an artistic cycling club in the village I live in, Dönten.
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And they performed a New Year's show, which my father had seen.
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And he thought it would maybe be something for me.
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So my parents organized. They also didn't know the sport to have a look in the training of them.
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And yeah, I was really little, but I can remember that I was really,
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really impressed by what they are doing.
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Yeah, it was or is still a really small club, so there are not many people.
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But yeah, I was really impressed. And from the first moment, I really loved it.
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It is fascinating to watch. How about yours? How did you get in?
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In my case, it's more like a family tradition.
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My grandparents practiced this sport.
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Then it was passed on to my mother. and she
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even met my father through the sport and
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yes then it was passed on to me i stopped artistic cycling when i was five years
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old yes and also important to say is my mother is our coach oh wow that's how cool.
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So when did you actually start cycling did you like ride a bike,
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so yeah we both ride a bike but actually not that often when i was in school
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i always go to school with with bicycle but yeah i think i was three four years old something.
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Wow three or four i guess and can you share this story of how the you became a team how,
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did it evolve over time how did you meet yes so um it's actually normal to start
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single artistic cycling so when we started yeah you always for to begin you
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start alone and train some stuff alone because it's yeah much easier yeah,
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And our story began in 2017. We were both members of the junior national team,
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but in single artistic cycling.
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And yeah, we knew who the other is, but we didn't have that much to do with each other.
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Also, since Larissa is three years younger than me.
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But I think then it was Larissa who wanted to start artistic cycling in pair.
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And yeah she and her mother I think were looking for someone who would match with Larissa,
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and so yeah they asked me and I think already some weeks later we had our first
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training together and yeah to look how how it goes and if we also personally
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match I think we were really young I I think,
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11 and 14, something like that.
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And yeah, it was, I think, really fun training.
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And we both had fun to also train some other stuff, yeah, like in pair.
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And so in the beginning, we also trained more single artistic cycling and had
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one training per week together.
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And yeah, I think this evolved that over time we trained a little bit more together.
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So until now we are
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still also training single artistic cycling and
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yeah we also learned to knew each other very good
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since we spend a lot of time together not only in training there are also lots
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of competitions training camps yeah where you spend the whole day together also
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in the evening you sleep in the same room so we spoke yeah a lot about everything and yeah,
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Yeah, I think now it's already eight years since we trained together.
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And I would say we are not only a team in artistic cycling, it's also a really
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close friendship. We spend really much time together.
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That's incredible. So now you are 19 and 22? Yes, exactly. Yes.
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Pretty much growing up together. Yeah. It has to match. Otherwise,
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you can't spend so much time together.
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And it was a match.
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Do you still compete as a single as well or just pairs?
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Oh, okay. Both. Yes. Yes, that's also not always easy.
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Sometimes it's a little bit of a challenge. But yeah, I think it's also the
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time. you're going against each other. Yes, that also.
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But that's not really the problem. It's more that sometimes you have a competition
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day and you don't have that much time between the two performances.
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So yes, that you physically can handle it.
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It's a double load for both of us on a competition day.
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Yeah, that's a lot. And of course, artistic cycling.
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Requires immense preparation and coordination you
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need to be so strong and have so much balance so what
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does a typical training session look like for you you
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said you still train a little bit separate and then i guess you're training
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together for the coordination of the the performance
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yes well first of all in a
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training we of course have to warm up yeah some
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soft strengthening and stretching of course and
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then something playful and never
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can be missed with us we often play basketball or
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volleyball or something like that yeah that's
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just how we get our pills going up before going on the bike but that's very
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individually that's just what what fits for us yes then we go on the bike and
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just go through basic stuff we tricks we already know and And yeah,
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just to get the feeling and in the flow.
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And then it actually depends on the situation, like in which part of the season we are.
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When there is a competition coming up, we really fully focus on our routine.
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Then we go twice per training through the full routine and really focus on that.
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We analyze it afterwards and look where we need to improve and...
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Yes, then we train specific sections from our routines and often also just individual
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tricks just to really optimize everything.
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And in those trainings, there's less time for trying out new tricks.
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We train those things when there's no competition coming up.
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Then we really focus on training new things, trying out different skills.
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And yeah, that's mostly the part which makes more fun.
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But yes, it's always a mix of both of them.
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Very nice. And how do you develop and refine new routines?
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Because like you said, you guys have mastered so many tricks and so many skills.
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But of course, you keep pushing the boundaries and you want to do new things.
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How do you come up with those things and create a routine for the competitions?
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What is the creative process? us yeah it's
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maybe not that creative because we have some
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something like a rule book in artistic cycling okay
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so every trick that we
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can show in a competition is in this rule book
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so we doesn't invite a completely new trick yeah it's often it's a little bit
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obvious what comes next because if you master a trick then you can do it a little
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bit more difficult and so yeah it's really,
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I think a little bit intuitive what comes next. Yeah, so it's maybe more creative
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in the way you learn something new.
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I think that's also really individual.
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Like we have our coach in our training hall.
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And I think there are persons who like to train the new tricks almost alone.
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So they try and when they fall, it's not that bad.
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And I think you can also train
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it with some support from our coach who really
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run with us on the floor and yeah to maybe catch us if we fall or something
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like this and yeah maybe you'll have to be a little bit creative how to learn
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new things and I think that's maybe a little bit more the creative part.
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Yeah and not fall on each other and injure each other as well yeah not that
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this didn't happen already but,
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i can only imagine like you guys have major skills like i can barely ride without
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the hands that must be funny for you yeah it's also really funny sometimes.
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Yeah so i don't know if you can explain a little bit how this cornering works
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just so that we could talk a little bit about your performance because i know
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you had a super high score of 107.07 to finish the third finish third in the uci world cup,
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so if you could just explain a little bit how the scoring works and then talk
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a little bit about the uci world cup and if there are any moment that stand out to you,
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Yes, we show a program on a competition and we have 25 tricks in one program. Okay.
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And each trick has a specific score. The more difficult the trick is, the higher the score is.
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And then you count those 25 tricks together and that's your beginning score.
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And then you perform and you have judges who judge you.
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Yes we have five minutes to perform our
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routine wow and then yes every mistake or everything that's not looking very
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good or didn't go as planned will count as a mistake and in the end And it will
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get subtracted from the beginning score.
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And everything that also doesn't fit in those five minutes will also be subtracted.
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And then you end with a scoring. That's your end score. And that's in the end what counts.
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Yes, the one with the highest score wins.
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Five minutes, it goes quite fast. Yeah. But we also really have to train a lot to be fast.
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So sometimes it's really challenging to show all 25 tricks in five minutes.
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So yeah, I think it's also a part of our training to be fast in our routine.
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Yes, especially when we have new routines and we train those.
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Then in the beginning, we have like six minutes and then it's like,
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wow, how should everything fit in those five minutes? But yes,
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in the end, it's just training, training, training.
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Impressive. How was your finish in third at the UCI World Cup?
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Yeah, it's always a really great feeling when you have your routine and you
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can perform it without a big mistake.
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I think you don't feel it that much while the routine is going.
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But it's always the moment when the routine is finished and you can also share
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your joy and that makes it even a little bit more greater.
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Oh yeah, I love that too. I do a lot of races as a pair.
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Yes. I agree. It's so much nice to share the journey and the destination with somebody.
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Yes, it is. And do you have any tricks to manage this mentally?
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Because like you said, it's a lot of preparation, months of preparation, and then trying to cut.
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Time off to have everything squeezed into this 25
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25 tricks into five minutes and
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and then you are competing solo you're competing as a
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pair how do you manage the mental stress and pressure well one point is maybe
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to kind of simulate those competition feelings and yeah in our training hall
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maybe with music that can.
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Express some memories from competition and yeah Larissa is often saying when
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we start our tuning training and we stand there she always say to me imagine
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there are lots of people here.
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With names I say that really can't imagine that they are here and the judges
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are there and yeah it's just.
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Simulated yeah i see this in a lot of sports coaches
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are using a lot of visualization and i think it helps because then
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the brain doesn't know
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that it's real it's not real so
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if you create those emotions and you are able to go
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through this the scenario i think it it
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does make it easier yes and i
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think for me it's over yeah it's also helpful to
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sometimes yeah close the eyes and
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see the routine in my head and also visualize it I think that can also help
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to be mentally prepared for a competition we always also go through the routine
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without the bike, like just we walk through the routine,
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we always do this also before every competition yes, that's just involved for
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our routine before competition, yeah. Wow, four hours?
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We do it, I think, like 10 minutes before our start, so really close. Okay.
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Yeah, it's not when we walk it, it's not the same, but it's more to,
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we also speak together and then we say, oh, it's important at this district
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to look at those points, yes. Okay.
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That makes sense. I would have never think about it, but now that you say it, it makes total sense.
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Yes so you said there is a rule book so
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you can't be that creative but can you
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choose the songs have any
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type of creative expression in in your
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routine yes in theory you can also
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invent new elements but nowadays i mean
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there are already so many it's difficult
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to come up with something very new so we really
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focus on the tricks that are in the rule book and
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yes we we can choose a
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song but we do not synchronize to
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it it's just kind of a background music okay
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but yes we can choose it for ourselves and
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i think the creative part
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in our sport comes in play when we
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kind of think how we can combine different
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tricks or maybe what's the
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fastest way for simona to come up my
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shoulders then we really have to come up
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with yeah the fastest way to yeah maybe also to switch positions quickly then
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we really kind of dance on our bike just and that's the creative part in our sport, yes.
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Changing places on one bike is sometimes really difficult.
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And yeah, it needs some creative inspiration.
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Yeah, I'm in total awe. When I see the videos of you girls doing it and any
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artistic cycling, it's really, really impressive because it requires,
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I mean, there's so much there and especially doing as a pair,
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the coordination that's mind-blowing.
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Do you have any obstacles or challenge that you face?
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Yes, I mean, both of us already have dealt with several interests.
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I think normal in a sport career and that, of course, is kind of a setback.
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But when we're in a team, I mean, it's always someone there to help you go through it.
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And also a challenge for us, like we already mentioned, is that the fact that
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we also compete in single artistic cycling. Yes, there is.
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I broke my hand twice, but it was only once in artistic cycling.
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And then I once broke my foot.
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Oh. yeah but it was never it's not funny but it was never that bad so for me
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I think it was never longer than break of 8 weeks so yeah it was,
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I can say it was never a break of I don't know 8 months or something like this,
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it's not cool it's something that you could recover and get back to it yes I
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think and I think when That injury was good again.
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Yeah, for sure you have sometimes you feel it a little bit, but I think all
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in all it always get well.
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Good, good. For me to say I broke my elbow and G times my foot. Oh my goodness.
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This is all from falls of trying to perfect tricks. In my case,
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all the injuries happened in artistic cycling, yes.
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But like Simona said, once it was snowboarding. Oh, yeah.
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Yes, but I think like Simona already said, it's not like we couldn't train for a year or something.
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But it's always also something mentally.
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When you start going back in training you
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don't have the yeah the
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feeling anymore and you are so
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afraid that for example the foot isn't already healed then you also are afraid
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of the yeah of again injuries and so on i think that's the problem yeah yeah
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because it gets in your head and then you're afraid.
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Yes, I think that's also a little bit.
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Another challenge i think there's also
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in artistic cycling it's not for all the
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same but i think for me or also sometimes for
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larissa we are sometimes we are
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dealing with fear not only in combination with injuries and yes i think that's
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sometimes it's really challenging yeah if you know for example technical technically
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you would be able to do a trick but And, yeah,
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sometimes you're just a little bit blocked in the head.
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And I think, yeah, that's not always easy, but we both learned how to work with it.
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And for me, I also had a great coach in Dundon.
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And she also, yeah, helped me a little bit to accept it. And I think that's
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really important that, yeah, you have to accept that sometimes there can be
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fear of falling or whatever.
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And yeah, I think if you work with your body and not against it, it can really help.
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Yeah. Well, very happy to hear that you are working through those challenges
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with your coach and finding coping mechanism to accept and overcome.
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I think it's super important, like you said beautifully,
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you know, you need to just accept and work with your body and not against it,
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not force something, you know, when your mind is blocked, when you have a feeling,
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you need to work through it, you can't just force something.
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Yes, I think that's, yeah. yeah yeah and
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i mean you are big icons so young
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and as role models in your sport how
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do you hope to inspire the next generation i mean you still
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have also a lot to conquer you know there's many
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years in the sport for you but there's like
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you know you you started at five and you started at
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seven so there are a lot of little girls looking up to you now yes well of course
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we hope to inspire those kids and be kind of a role model but for us it's also
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we don't really identify as role models because everything happens so fast and
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we think we're still those small girls looking up to.
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But yes I would say our main goal is kind of to make our sports more known that's
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also why we started our Instagram account just to show other people that there's
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also another sport than maybe soccer or I don't know.
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Yes, just to take them with our journey and practice.
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I think this will help the generation of today's artistic cyclists.
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Also, when it's more known, this would help a lot. I agree.
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And I think I would say to little kids, we always say work hard, dream big.
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And I think that's also what I would say to them.
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Work hard on what you want to achieve but
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also do it with joy and be thankful
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what you can do and yes I
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would say to them to go their own way also a little bit I think it's also in
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our sport I think we both make the experience that it's not always the same
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way for every athlete so So what works for one is maybe not the best for the other.
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And yeah, I think we both learned that. And that's also what I would say to
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little kids doing artistic cycling.
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Well said. You have so much clarity and awareness. I'm amazed.
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Yeah. And I did want to comment on Lydice's comment as well about your Instagram
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account, because that's how I came across artistic cycling. and I found you
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and I was truly impressed.
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Yes, that's really cool. That works. Yeah, so it's coming across,
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hopefully, not just too many, many.
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Yes, that's really cool. And what goals are you currently pursuing now,
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both competitively and personally?
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Of course, after winning last year's bronze medal at the World Championships,
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we'd love to qualify again and go
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for another medal and last season
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we also were very close to the swiss
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national record and breaking that record
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would be very amazing and yes i
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think those are the competitively goals
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at the moment yes and personally yeah
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i think the goal is always to learn
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new stuff in training it's not just about the competition yeah I think it's
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always cool if you can learn still some new things and yeah I think personally
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also to find a good balance between sport and studying.
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So, yeah, we are not earning money. Yeah, maybe we can also say that it's not
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that we could live with doing artistic cycling.
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So we are both studying. And I think that's, yeah, also always the goal to find
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the right balance between sport and studying.
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Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, you're juggling a lot. And I mean,
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you're also still young, but even older.
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At the point, the sport, other sports also oftentimes are not making a living
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and they have to balance with work or with studies.
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And what would it take to break the Swiss record?
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What is the record? Is that on score or number of tricks?
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Is that the score? The score, yes. It is 123.5.
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Wow. And we scored 122 points, something. Wow, very close. You can do it.
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Yes, this was the last competition of last year's season. It was a little bit surprising.
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We didn't expect that much points in this competition, but I think it was really, really good.
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And always motivating when you see the score there. And yes,
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you need kind of goals to go on and work on your, yes.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's good to have your personal best, you know, and for you,
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pair, quote unquote, pair best.
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Yes. And I think also now where we have our score in the beginning,
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when we start our routine, it's around like 100 and 100.
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30 points so it's to
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only have seven points taken out yes
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that's it's not easy it's really
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close to perfection yes but
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i think it's now it's in a
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range where it is possible i mean
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if you have 120 points it's really not
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possible because yeah you can't score more than
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you have in the beginning but yes we
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hope you're getting there hope you're getting
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there yeah and outside cycling
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artistic cycling are there any other activities or interests
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as you enjoy i know simona you like snowboarding i
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don't know if you're still doing that as well yeah yeah as
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well good swiss yeah you have to do some snow
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sport yes you say yeah not
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only snowboarding i think because artistic
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cycling is indoor sport we never train outside
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we are always in our
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training hall because yeah we have our special
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floor and it's yeah if
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you fall outside it's also not really funny so
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yeah that's why we actually always train inside and that's
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why I really love to be outside when I'm
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not doing artistic cycling so yeah i love
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to be in the mountains some hiking or i'm
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also do some climbing sometimes and.
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Yeah i think that's really cool exchange to
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artistic cycling yeah for me the same i also love to be outside and also like
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to try out new sports i'm always open for something new and yes also be active
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with something sportive or yes be outside hiking,
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and yeah it makes sense makes sense how many hours are you training a day.
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So we both actually have four trainings per week and they are on the bike.
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They are two to three hours.
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And then we both do some physical strength or endurance training.
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I think for me, it's one time in a week.
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So one to two times, but it depends on what we have going on besides our sport.
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Yeah, makes sense.
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Maybe not as much as if you're, for example, I don't know, really a pro of sport
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where you're, I don't know, a ski racer or something like this.
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I think that's also because, yeah, you cannot earn that much money.
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So nobody in artistic cycling is doing it as a job or a main job.
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So I think that's also why, yeah, if you train four to five times in a week, it's for our sport.
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It's, yeah, I think nobody is training like eight hours a day in artistic cycling
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because, yeah, you have to burn. It's a job, like you said, you're not getting
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prize money or anything like that.
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Yeah. But hopefully we'll grow and at least if you can get sponsorships or,
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you know, brands associated with you, you can start...
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To make some money and hopefully not just you but
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everybody in artistic cycling because it is a beautiful sport and
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also our competitions when world cups when
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we travel around europe we always have to pay it by ourselves and yeah we that's
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also a point why we really also have to focus on education because we have to
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pay for those things yeah i didn't realize that yeah maybe,
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I don't know if there's anything that could be done with the sports like at
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least, I don't know, even in Switzerland, like the Swiss Association Sports
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Association, if they can start, because I know they're like.
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I had an Austrian, not Swiss, but Austrian that came and they had the Austrian
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Triathlete Association that they helped and then you didn't get paid,
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but they paid for trips and things like that for big events already helped,
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yes and we are also looking now For some sponsors,
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since when you only have competitions in Switzerland,
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it's not that big.
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So it's never more than two hours of drive to the competition.
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But yeah, I think since two, three years, we also have competition outside of Switzerland.
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And yeah, then traveling is also getting bigger.
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So yes, that's actually what we are doing now. So to look for some sponsors, yes.
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Well, you're very smart. You started with the social media and you're getting
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not only yourselves, but the sports more known.
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And hopefully also with the podcast, it will help a little bit more awareness.
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It's been great. Yeah, it's really cool. We were really excited to do it.
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Well, I'm excited to talk to you. I mean, I'm really impressed.
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You guys are so dedicated, so young and juggling school,
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and going to these competitions and you already have so many big titles I can
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see you have a bright future ahead and wish you all the best and hopefully we'll
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stay in touch and talk again after,
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this year's World Cup yeah that would be great really great yes,
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well thank you so much for your time I appreciate you being on the podcast thank
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you very much thank you very much Thank you very much.
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