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It’s Official! Spiders, Ticks, and Rats for Breakfast (Says Codex, WHO and the UN)! · Man in America Podcast

• 1:33
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Hulghouse. So have you noticed all the celebrities and politicians trying to convince us that we should be eating bugs instead of steak? Do you ever wonder why they're pushing this disgusting idea or perhaps who's telling them to do it? Well, what if I told you that there was a global organization called the Codex that establishes the standards for what the world's people should eat, and that their latest recommendations include rats, dogs, ticks, and even lice.
• 2:05
  These days, you probably wouldn't be that surprised. Well, joining me today is a very courageous individual, Scott Tipps, who's actually part of Codex. But instead of finding new ways to poison us, he's fighting to protect the health and wellness of We The People. But before we get into the discussion, today's show is brought to you by Rise TV, a Patriot owned streaming platform. Over at Rise, our mission is to uncover the truth no matter how dark and difficult while always holding on to hope.
• 2:33
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• 5:03
  Alright, let's go ahead and get started with the interview. All right. So Scott, thank you so very, very much for joining me today. From the other side of the world, we get the specific location for your own safety, but I appreciate you making the time to join me on the show today.
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Seth. As, you know, it's my pleasure, and I'm glad you connected with me to be able to do this. So thank you.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So Scott, you know, why don't we start by just looking at, can you just introduce a little bit of your background and your organization? Because while people have heard of the WHO, and they know of the CCP and a lot of these these bigger organizations or government, you know, governmental bodies that are making a lot of the rules. When I first discovered you through Cory's digs, I had no idea what the codex was or anything about what you're talking about. Yet it seems to be a very powerful organization.
• 6:00
  So can you just give us a little bit of background about just what your role is and how you're the only organization fighting for freedom on this codex? So can you explain that for us?
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the president and have been for some time at the National Health Federation and the world's oldest health freedom organization. We were founded in 1955 by Frederick J. Hart. And he was in the midst of a battle with the FDA and figured this is one way to get back at them, to fight them, and it's survived all these sixty seven and a half years. But one of the things we did early on in our fight for health freedom is we started sending reporters to the Codex meetings that were going on, Codex Alimentarius.
• 7:01
  And for those of your listeners who don't know what Codex Alimentarius is, it's an international body that was created after NHF was created actually in 1963, actually 'sixty one to 'sixty three, but it was finalized in 'sixty three, and under the auspices of two main UN bodies, that's the World Health Organization and the Food and Agricultural Organization, so WHO and FAO. I'll get into that a little bit later. And then it consists of member states like The United States, Canada, Mexico, the European Union, UK, Russia, etcetera. And they send delegates, usually food engineers, usually bureaucrats to these meetings, and you can be on the delegation. When I first started going to Codex meetings in June 2000, so that was more than twenty two years ago, I was actually on The US delegation.
• 8:11
  I wasn't the delegate, I was on the delegation. I could technically offer advice or suggestions to the main US Delegate, but that was an FDA bureaucrat and she was not inclined to listen to health freedom views. She had her own views and those that were dictated to her by her higher ups with FDA. Her name was Beth Yetley, Elizabeth Yetley. And what happened is Oh, and also you have to sign a contract when you get on The US delegation, probably any of the country delegations.
• 8:51
  You have to sign a contract that basically says, I agree not to take a position with any foreign delegate or delegation contrary to that position taken by The US Government at the Codex Office as represented by the Codex Office. So you have to sign that. So for two years I did this, but I was such a pain in the ass to the FDA delegates that the third year they wouldn't let me back on The US delegation. And it was just literally maybe a couple of months before the Codex meeting that we had our eyes on and wanted to go to. That was the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses, otherwise known as the CDC.
• 9:41
  Quick question.
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: I just wanna make sure I'm understanding correctly. So if I understand it, Codex is a committee, a global organization that has a bunch of different committees that is run by the UN. And it's really what sets forth the health, you know, through the food. It's almost like an, FDA at a global level? Like this is the organization that makes recommendations for diets and, you know, agriculture.
• 10:14
  Is that correct?
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of sidetracked myself from the main point. And so I'm glad you brought me back to it. The main point is that Codex Alimentarius is Latin for food code. So it only deals with food. I wouldn't go so far as to call it the UN's FDA.
• 10:33
  I think that position is really more held jointly by the World Health Organization that's very drug happy and the FAO, which is more of the good guy in my view because they're more food oriented and they're a little bit more open minded than the WHO. But the WHO of the two organizations that are the parents of Codex Alimentarius, they're the ones that are really controlling it directly. And as you've seen, Seth, with the WHO treaty that every country's being urged to sign, WHO could end up with a lot of power, hence Codex could end up with even more power than it currently has. But about 99% of the world's population is represented at Codex, probably more like 99.9% at this stage.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: Is it basically every country except for a couple that are part of this?
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen the People's Republic in North Korea there. I haven't seen I don't know, that's the one that immediately comes to mind, but haven't seen the No, actually I've seen Mongolia there from time to time. But like you said, there's this commission, it's called the Codex Telematerius Commission. In fact, the next meeting that I will go to in November will be the Codex Telematerius Commission meeting.
• 12:13
  So it's within the Codex structure. The commission is the main body. Then there's something like, it varies, but 25 to 27 different committees. Some are food commodity committees, others are kind of procedural committees. And the main one that attracted our interests, NHF's interests, was the Nutrition Committee meeting hosted by the German government.
• 12:39
  And that's the one that I first went to in Berlin in June 2000. So because that was the one that was establishing the standards, the maximum upper limits, permitted limits for vitamins and minerals, and that was of keen interest to our NHF membership. So we were there at a global level to stop all this, because keep in mind, the FDA has committed itself in writing, in the Federal Register has committed itself to harmonizing US regulations to those of codex. And so it's actually much more important than people think what goes on at Codex. And for that reason, after two years, I got kicked off, I immediately applied for accreditation by Codex of NHF as a accredited Codex observer.
• 13:50
  They call it observer, because you're actually there with a microphone the same as The United States or Canada or Russia or whomever, and you can speak out. Now they let the country speak first and then they let us speak next. But you still get to get a word in typically, although there were times where the commission chairwoman would not call on me personally to speak because she was afraid of what I had to say. And so that has happened. But most of the committee chairman and some of the chairwomen are pretty fair, and that's not typically a problem.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: So basically you have this global organization where these are the people that are really establishing the nutrition and the eating. And we're gonna be getting into bugs and rats and dogs and their new recommendations shortly here. And so through your sheer effort and force and persistence, you're really the only person sitting in these meetings that's representing We the People. You're the only person that's really going up against it. You see the writing on the wall, and you're fighting for us, really, which is I mean, it's incredible.
• 15:10
  Thank
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: you. Well, it's true. There are a few left wing organizations like Consumer International and Infant Formula I'm sorry, I have it backwards, International Baby Formula Action Network, Ibn Fann, and some others. And they just attend typically the committee meeting and sometimes the commission meeting to fight against corporate takeover and commercialization of infant form at the expense of breast milk. They are not true health freedom organizations.
• 16:00
  For instance, they fought us tooth and nail, our allies on that issue bought us tooth and nail on the vitamin mineral upper limit issue, because they think vitamins and mineral supplements are dangerous and should be rigidly controlled like drugs are controlled. So we're the only ones. And also we go to many more committee meetings than even those handful of consumer organizations that are focused on infant formula. So in fact, we had a huge victory that helped infant formula at the Committee on Contaminants in Food hosted by the Dutch government that never saw the appearance of even one of those other organizations to fight for infant formula, the purity of infant formula, and to make sure they aren't misrepresented as replacements for breast milk. So this is us.
• 17:12
  Now, we do have allies from time to time in countries, but the problem that we face, especially after twenty two years, actually, if you count the reporters going to the meetings, it's about twenty five years going to Codex meetings. But twenty two years is that the faces all change. I mean, I look now and there's not a single person that I see at these meetings who was there in June 2000 when I first started going, not one. The staff for Codex has changed, they have a mandatory retirement age, these unelected bureaucrats who go to represent the people of their country, countries like Australia and New Zealand, those spaces have changed. And a lot of times, nine times out of No, I shouldn't say that.
• 18:12
  But a lot of times they're just answering to their corporate masters. That's particularly the case with the Australian, New Zealand delegates. If it's something that Monsanto dictated or Dow Chemical or Merck, then that's their position at Kodex.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: So how does this Kodex work in terms of the food that we eat in America? Because my wife and I, we very we try to be as strict as we can about organic, specifically avoiding a lot of the pesticides from Monsanto. We really try to avoid GMO. And, but when I walked down the grocery aisle, it's astounding to me how many just chemicals and how much GMO stuff they're still throwing out there. And I've even seen before comparisons of the ingredients of the same food in America versus the same food in Europe, and they're pumping the food in America just full of so many more chemicals.
• 19:11
  And if you look at, you know, there's been so many lawsuits, whether it's for the glyphosate or other, you know, chemicals that are causing cancer, yet nothing ever really changes. And you mentioned Monsanto. So, you know, how does this codex work? I mean, is it, as so many things that we're realizing now in the world is that are there large, powerful lobbying groups and corporations like Monsanto, Bayer that are part of this? And is this codex, is it then controlling the food that's put on the shelves in America?
• 19:44
  I mean, can you lay out the mechanics of it? Does the FDA answer to them? Do the food companies answer to them?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Well, like I was saying, and I think it was in the 1997 edition of one of the editions that year of the Federal Register where the FDA had declared that it would harmonize the codex regulation. So already we're looking at twenty five years in which the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration has taken this position. And so how does it affect it directly? Well, technically, Codex is just about international trade on the surface. It's just about the trade between countries.
• 20:29
  It's meant to harmonize the standards so that it makes trade between countries easier and more economical and the like. And in that sense, it's actually a noble goal. The problem is some time ago, it was hijacked by special interests who send people there. And at this last meeting, the Codex Committee on Pesticide Residue, which was a Zoom meeting that I attended hosted by the Chinese government, by the way, you have host countries that host various committees and the Chinese host the Codex Committee on Food Additives and the Codex Committee on Pesticide Residues. And so the Pesticide Residue Committee, thank you, that's the article that I wrote about my experiences at that meeting.
• 21:16
  And at that meeting, I was just going to do a little by the way, there were 40 representatives of Monsanto, Bayer, Dow Chemical, and those kind of people versus one representative, me, arguing for the consumers. And that's not even including what corporate interests may be embedded in the various country delegations. And I guarantee you there plenty more of those. So there could have been fifty, sixty or 70 even, industry representatives there kind of pushing their interests. And their interests are always, what can we do to get the product out there at lower expense to us?
• 22:11
  And what can we do to keep these oppressive health standards that would cost us a lot of money, damn the consumer. It's gotten so bad, they just aren't interested in protecting the health of the consumer. And they make a noise about it, but it really comes down to two things, how much more product can we sell and how much more cheaply can we produce it to then sell? So that's really it, and that's what I'm fighting there. And anyway, getting back to the changing faces with the different delegations.
• 22:54
  So I can convince a delegate, and I have multiple times from a country like Ecuador, Benin, or Iran, or the European Union, which is a big one, about the safety or lack of safety of a given standard. But then next year, that person isn't even there, and now suddenly it's someone This happened with South Africa. Now suddenly it's someone who's very pro Monsanto. Yes, we want Silpadrille and pig food and all of that, so they'll get lean and maybe they become downer pigs and die, but it's worth the cost because we make more money per pig overall. So this is what I face, and I just don't see the same people at all these meetings, with a few exceptions in the INGOs, the international nongovernmental organizations such as ours, but on the industry side.
• 24:04
  And of the INGOs, ninety five, ninety eight, I'm probably being very generous to them, 98% of the INGOs are trade organizations. So they're basically front groups or outright trade organizations for industry. And it's not that we at NHF have anything industry, there's a place obviously for industry. I mean, we benefit from industry that makes good supplements for our membership. So we aren't against the free market.
• 24:43
  What we're against is the cronyism that goes on and all of the corruption that goes on and the corrupt science that's presented as a cover for these safety standards that are being put in place, which are really not safe. People are getting poisoned, you pointed it out, and you see all these chemicals in the food. So getting back to that point, I see it more and more where the FDA is harmonizing to the Codec standards, even though it's international, because their overall goal is to make it domestic in every country. But the initial impetus was to have it be international, and that was sort of the easy way to slide it down the throats of the countries was to say, Hey, it's just international. We aren't affecting your domestic standards.
• 25:46
  And indeed, I mean, to be fair to Codex, it does say that in the Codex procedural manual, or at least it used to. But what countries do is they will During a debate on a standard, if they don't agree with the standard, you see this often with the European Union, Russia, and a couple of other countries, you'll see this, where they will state, We reserve our objections, and it'll be noted in the report and in the record. And what that means is that they don't accept the standard for their own country. But otherwise, it goes in for the country. And most of the decisions at Codex are made by consensus.
• 26:41
  They don't like to vote on anything. I've only seen them vote three times in my twenty two years. Now that's the meetings I've gone to, maybe they voted more. But typically the chairman or the chairwoman will look around the room, see how many spoke up for something, how many spoke against for something, then take into account their own personal biases and prejudices. Oh yeah, I'm really for glyphosate, so I'm going to let this go through sort of thing.
• 27:16
  And then they make a decision. It's sort of like that old 1950s TV program, Queen for a Day. And so the audience would vote for who would be was a mother, stay at home mother who was up there, and it's probably before your time. But I remember this little boy watching this on the floor, and the audience would applause for their favorite candidate to be queen for the day. And they had like an applause meter.
• 27:48
  So however loud the applause was in the meter tipped over and whoever got the highest tip over, then that person was selected. Well, it's the same thing at Codex in a way. So even though we have, as an INGO, no right to vote, that is the National Health Federation has no right to vote, We have the right to speak up. So if we're adding to the applause on one side, that is the noise factor, then to most chairmen and chairwomen who are there, they go, Oh, there's a lot of opposition to this. So a lot of times we've swung the applause meter in our direction just simply by talking a lot.
• 28:37
  So we just are very vocal and we are kind of aggressive, but not in a nasty way, just we tell it as it is. A lot of the countries are afraid to step on the other country's toes, and so they really mince their words and they soften them. In fact, I actually had years ago, like twelve years ago, I had a delegate from I forget what country, but it doesn't matter anyway, some European country come up Oh, Norway. And Norway came up to me and said, Look, we can't say it this way. Would you please say this for us?
• 29:22
  So then we did, of course. That was on the GMO labeling issue, as a matter of fact, in Canada. Canada's the head of the Codex Committee on Food Labeling. And at that time, it was a big, hot and heavy issue. And I actually had the Argentinian delegate screaming at me because I said that I dared to say that GMO foods were actually different from non GMO foods.
• 29:51
  And so she didn't like that. And literally at the breakout session, not in the actual Codex meeting, but at the breakout session, especially for this issue, she was screaming at me. It's so false, it's not true. They're basically the same. Oh, and then a funny thing, Seth, during one of the breaks, during the meeting, coffee breaks, I was walking out to get some tea or something and the US Delegate walked by me and caught my eye and said, You know, Scott, the US consumer is not smart enough to really know the difference between GMO and non GMO foods, so why are you biting us on the labeling issue here?
• 30:48
  And then when I aired to put that in print, I got a demand letter from the FDA, very formal attorney, legal demand letter saying, Take that down from your website or we will sue you. And that was a couple of years later when they finally caught up with the fact that it said that in the article. But we never took it down, and it's still there to this very moment.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So at a session in July, which you had attended, the committee presented this list of the new items that will be appearing on our menus and in our grocery stores, potentially here in America. Can you talk about this? Because right now, for people that are just watching what's happening unfold, we're all of a sudden, we're seeing celebrities like Nicole Kidman coming out, or I think Tom Cruise even talking about eating bugs. We're seeing Klaus Schwab in the World Economic Forum, you know, talk about eating bugs and everything. And yet, in July, in this session you just attended, there's this new list that came out, which I can pull up over on the to show show the folks that are here.
• 32:04
  Actually, let me find it really quickly. But can you go ahead and talk about that?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: No, it was really very strange and it was unexpected. And I know you and I shared the same thought on it. Why is this document showing up in the Codex Committee of Pesticide Residues? It's kind of strange placement for it to be considered. Anyway, near the end of the third day of the meeting, this document was rolled out by the co chairwoman of what's known as an electronic working group.
• 32:42
  This is a group, you have the commission, then you have the committees, and then the committees are overwhelmed with work quite often. So they delegate work out to a member state to chair, many times they're co chaired, and they work on it between the annual meetings of the committee itself. So in this case, The Netherlands and The United States together and whoever decided to be part of that working group, they came up with a document that was called Primary Food Commodities of Animal Origin, All Types. And I'd never seen something like this before because it literally was all types. I mean, the only thing that wasn't in there that I could find was cat food, cat meat and human meat, but it had just about everything else.
• 33:43
  It covered dogs, dog meat, rat meat, opossum meat, kangaroo meat, wallaby meat, swans, frogs, lizards, dolphins, and whales. And I mean, this was incredible. And then it had something called Well, they didn't call it that, but other people had called it micro livestock. So this is where we get down to the nitty gritty. And for me, this was very alarming because it's sort of setting the stage.
• 34:18
  Insects and spiders, and this is a whole list of them. They do them by the genus of this. I think that's it, if I'm not mistaken in my-
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, subgroup of a rhino with spiders and ticks.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: So spiders, ticks, lice, and the proponents of it seemed so thrilled to come out with this beetles and weevils. This is all for food consumption, by the way.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Lice, I saw bedbugs listed on there.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, you saw bedbugs? Oh, good. Well, you probably have better background in biology than I do. But in any event, they trotted this out. It wasn't approved at the meeting, it was just open for discussion because it works at the electronic working group and then they presented it for the first time at this meeting.
• 35:13
  I was so shocked by it all, I have to confess I didn't object to all of it across the board because I know some countries eat crickets and stuff like that, like maybe you get them in Thailand or Laos or Vietnam. So far be it for me to say people there can't eat it, but it was alarming. And to me, it indicated the shape of the future to come because they're setting up these food categories. And with these food categories, they'll take increasing importance because already they have factories in Ontario. Canada is one of the biggest producers of crickets for consumption.
• 35:57
  And you even have to be careful, Seth, when you go to a store, Even these foods that seem very innocuous, if you read the label, it'll say cricket meal. It's in there and it's like a food that you have seen labeled before and very normal label and all of that. So you really need to read the ingredient list like never before. Why do you need to read it? Because it is high protein.
• 36:24
  Crickets are high protein. But what's wrong with them? They found that a large percent, a very large percent of all of these insects have pathogenic organisms in them. Now maybe when they cook out the cricket meal, they cook out the actual pathogenic organisms, they destroy them. I don't know, I was brought up in a time where you didn't eat such things, and if you did, you quickly spat it out because it was an accident, and leave this food for people who want it.
• 37:12
  But I think it's yeah, go ahead.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: You say, what do you think is the motive behind this? And this is something that I've had a hard time wrapping my head around. I know that there's the greenies that are pushing that, you know, cows produce methane or, you know, that they're saying, you know, we should eat, you know, synthetically grown meat instead of the real meat. But then, you know, introducing and saying that we should be eating dogs, rats, opossums, kangaroos, swans, dolphins, whales, in addition to all of these insects when statistically, there's actually a lot of problems and there's a lot of risk with eating insects. So what in your opinion is the push for this?
• 37:53
  Because it seems like that it fits into this much larger agenda of dehumanizing us, causing us harm. I mean, it doesn't seem like it's coming from a beneficial place. So why do these globalists want people to eat bugs instead of eating a cow or a chicken?
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a good it's a good question. And I think a lot of it stems from the false climate change propaganda that's been out there. And they want to, as you've seen happen in The Netherlands with the farmers protests this year, where the tractors took to the roads and blocked the freeways and the like and surface roads with their tractors. For good reason because the Dutch government And look at this, the Dutch government is involved in the drafting of this document too. Very curious, isn't it?
• 38:50
  But really what it comes down to is that they've been promoting this false climate change agenda, and they know it's false. The followers don't necessarily know it's false because they're believing the propaganda that they're constantly hit with about it, have been hit with it since probably they were quite young. But the truth of the matter is they're using it to achieve their depopulation agenda. And I never, for most of my life and up until really a couple of years ago, really the COVID pandemic, I always thought it was about reducing fertility. Because if you do the intersection of all the different things they're doing, like dumbing down the vitamin levels so you aren't as healthy, increasing the glyphosate in food throughout the world, and also just more persistently in the foods.
• 39:53
  And you look at all of that and then the labeling issues and keep people from knowing what they're eating. Then the intersection that occurred to me most of the time I was at Codex was they're reducing fertility. But now it's actually apparent, I think it's crystal clear apparent, that they're trying to reduce the population. So how does this tie in with the insects? Well, I think it ties in because want to One way to get rid of the population is to reduce the food supply, and you see that now.
• 40:29
  And so they're going at a multi angle attack. So, you know, they launched the bioweapon very successfully, they did the lockdowns, then it followed up with the very deadly and dangerous injections, the experimental injections, which they euphemistically call vaccines, which really isn't much of a euphemism actually to those of us in the know. And then they are going to do the financial crash, and there will be a lot of people who, more people who will die from the injections, the mRNA injections, the COVID-nineteen, but it won't be attributed to the injections, it'll be attributed to something else. Oh, they had a stroke, they had a heart attack. Okay, they were 24 years old in prime physical shape, but they had a heart attack.
• 41:34
  We used to have that a lot. They're even trying to pretend that the lockdowns didn't happen. I don't know if you saw that. There's a lot going on where they're pretending, Oh, the lockdowns didn't happen, so there's nothing wrong from that. But even if they did happen, they protected us.
• 41:52
  They have this sort of contradictory song and dance going on. So I think it's leading to the depopulation. And then they, the elite, the globalist elite, as you put it so well, they'll get to do whatever they want. They fly in their private jets, they eat steak galore, and they have wine and champagne and all of the good things. And then the rest of us peons have to be in the gutter, street gutters and just eat whatever they feed us.
• 42:30
  And that's it. It's almost like that 1973 movie, Soliant Green, I think wasn't it
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Took place in 2022.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Which is funny. And I remember going to the movie theater in '73 and seeing that movie and thinking, wow, will it actually be like that in that year, 2020 Here we are. Here we are. Never thought I'd make it.
• 43:01
  But we have to resist all of this. This is their idea. It's not our idea, it's not my idea, not your idea. And so we just have to say no to it, just like the Dutch farmers did, and just tell them, We aren't putting up with this. If you want to eat insects, go ahead, be my guest.
• 43:19
  Hillary Clinton and all the other people who want to voice that off on us. And so this is just something that we have to take a stand on and enough people do it. You know, the only thing that really has ever stopped tyranny in the past has been mass resistance. And so that's what we need to do. That's why your program, Seth, is so incredibly important because you're one of those few out there getting the real news out because you certainly won't hear it from CNN, NBC or CBS or ABC or Reuters or any of those news services, Associated Press and the like, you have to get it from your program.
• 44:05
  And so more power to you and others like you in the alternate media. At the same time, we need to be careful because the elite, they have a lot of money, they have government power behind them because they captured the government. And I don't care what government you think, they've captured it. And they send out little special agents to not only infiltrate and report on us, but to actually mislead us and misguide us. A lot of them will say all the right code words, FDA bad, more power to the people, GMO bad, natural foods good.
• 44:55
  They'll say that and they lull you into thinking, Oh, they're one of us. Just like what happened in January 6 with the people there, with the infiltrators from the FBI. And then of course obligingly, you have the Capitol Police opening up the way so they could go into the Capitol Building itself. I mean, it was always set up, and that's what could happen to us if we aren't careful. We could be set up, maybe are being set up even now, and we don't even know it.
• 45:28
  So you have to be really careful, I'm sorry to say, because it's a shame to be distrustful of your fellow man, but you have to be really, really careful not to go down the wrong path. Oh, and a lot of these, they're controlled opposition groups, controlled opposition leaders, and they'll lead you down the garden path thinking you're doing something good. There was one organization I won't name that had a big petition to the FDA not to do something about vitamins and vitamin supplements. The FDA is going to take that petition and look at it long enough to drop it into the trash can and never look at I mean, it's a waste of time, but yet people will give money to that. They'll spend hours on it, going out, getting other people to sign it and everything.
• 46:29
  And what a waste of time, what a waste of breath, that's not gonna make one bit of difference. So we need to pick our battles carefully. As some have said recently, choose the hill we are going to stand on, and make sure we aren't wasting our efforts because they have a lot more money, not people, but they have a lot more money and maybe paid people than we do. But that doesn't mean that we can't win. We can win.
• 47:02
  It's been done in the past and it'll be done again.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: And how do you think we can accelerate that process? Because, you know, like, I appreciate the kind remarks about my show. I look at this, this is just one of the ways that I have an opportunity to fight. But it just seems like, you know, I go into some grocery stores and still I see half the people wearing masks around. And it's just like, oh my goodness, is this still happening?
• 47:27
  So, and I couldn't agree more from the perspective that, you know, they might have money, they might have control of the media, but we have the numbers, we have the people. But, you know, a lot of people are they're they're ignorant, and they don't know they're being lied to. Right? Especially when it comes to climate change is one of the greatest hoaxes ever. Yeah.
• 47:48
  Now, you know, these people are rushing off and saying, hey, I should be eating bugs. Like, you know, we've got chickens at home. And my wife and I tried raising mealworms to feed our chickens. I can tell you, if the mealworms were our source of food, we would have been dead in about three weeks. It's not an it's really not easy to do.
• 48:07
  But there's also, you know, when I asked about the the bugs, and you brought in the Depop agenda. I mean, some of the basic research I've done has shown that there's significant numbers of health risks to eating bugs. So can you talk a little bit about that?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: About the health risks or the
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: other Yeah. Just the whole, like how you think us eating bugs fits into the overall elimination of us, I guess.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I kind of addressed it, but I think it comes down to, and this is a little bit guessing their intent because we don't have all the information in, but my theory is that they want to depopulate the earth considerably. And if you look at deagle.com, D E A G L E Com, you can see the figures they predict of the population decrease for the year 2025.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: So what was the website? I'll pull this up for folks while we're here.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Deagle, D E A G L E dot com. Deagle is a kind of a military information contractor, I guess, for lack of a better phrase. And one of the things they have done is that they do this prediction on population. They predicted that in three years' time, the population in The US will be cut from three twenty six million or three twenty seven million down to 100,000,000. At one time it said 99,000,000.
• 49:45
  So you have to look at these figures as constantly changing. The population in The UK will drop to like 15 or 20,000,000 from double or triple And so these are considerable drops, and what could be causing it. So I think in this case, how the eating There's a certain maybe list of countries or reports. Usually I go directly to the website because I have the link, but I don't have it Oh, yeah, I think you found it. I think you may have found it, but then there's a comparison of years and that one says 2019.
• 50:35
  So they want to return a lot of the planet to nature, and if a lot of the land is taken up with cows and and pigs and poultry and the like, then there's going to be less room for that. So my theory is they just want more land for themselves, and the working class, the middle class is largely being destroyed, but the working class can subsist on this. And what they'll do is like what you're seeing in food now, cricket meal, it's just added to give nutrition quality to something. Some of these people are just simply misguided. They think this is what's necessary.
• 51:26
  On another issue that we haven't talked about yet at that same Codex meeting last July.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I did just find this was a article someone wrote about Diegel, and how diegel.com predicts up to eighty percent of population called by 2025 in countries where Europeans live. This is just updated October fifteenth of this year.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a list. They have a list. They show the current population and then the projected population. I'm sorry, I don't have that link handy to send you.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe they're showing you right here, actually.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Is complete list. The actual list, just so you know, is wider than it is long.
• 52:13
  And it includes a lot of other factors like the GDP, gross domestic product going up or down, and includes some other things. But I see these people have just focused on population.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Their estimation, or I see right here, is that The United States Of America, they're saying we'll go from a population twenty nineteen of three thirty two million, if I'm reading this correctly, to twenty twenty five of 99,000,000.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they've since revised that. If you look at the current one, it's 100,000,000. And I thought they had reduced the population of The US down to the three twenty something range. Because I do remember seeing this, and then about a year later, I was looking at it more recently, like even this month or maybe September, and actually had changed to a hundred million. So maybe they have a million more people surviving.
• 53:15
  But it's very strange that this is all going on. If we want to be very science fictiony about it, with the chemtrails, putting aluminum into the soil, changing the diets, it's almost like an alien invasion and they're terraforming the planet for themselves and were world to be dispensed with or made slaves. That's the science fiction view of it, But who knows? Science fiction has often turned out to be more fact than fiction a lot of times. But I'm not saying that, I'm just saying we really have to think broadly about what's going on.
• 54:05
  And I'm not saying that I even have the answer, I don't know that I do, but the way it's looking with Kodak shaping the way on the food front is we've got to be very, very careful. We've got to be like you and your wife are, where you look at all the labels, you're very careful about what you eat. I notice even in natural health products, a lot of sucralose is turning up. You go into a health food store, you get crunchy granola cereal, for example. Well, I certainly see it here in Europe, and I did see it in whole foods a lot.
• 54:45
  There might be shake powders that you think are good, has all sorts of great stuff in it, shaga mushrooms, reishi mushroom, all these good things. And then you look at the ingredient list and you see is the sweetener or one of the sweeteners is sucralose. I mean, that's just poison for you. Or if you see any variation on aspartame. And Doctor.
• 55:13
  Betty Martini and Russell Blaylock, Doctor. Russell Blaylock, they've shown that where people were eating aspartame and got the COVID-nineteen shot, it multiplied the ill effects of the ill health effects of the COVID shots.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: That's interesting because I was listening to a Mike Adams you know, podcast recently, and one of his guests had come on was talking about how in their studies that people with heightened levels of glyphosate in their bodies actually reacted much worse to, think it was to the vaccines and the effects of that, versus someone who was eating, you know, like a healthier organic and of course, you know, I've also interviewed Dane Wiggington who's talked about, you know, geoengineering, you know, if you're walking outside, you're probably getting, you're breathing in aluminum particles and graphene oxide and who knows what. It's interesting because you can see that there is a, it's like this, it's almost as if there's this multipronged attack. And it's all, all the weapon pointed right as us, right at us as humanity.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: No, it is. They're approaching it from many directions and where it intersects, that's the depopulation thing, which I formerly called just reducing fertility. But you see this with the COVID vaccine where a lot of women now are having trouble getting pregnant, or if they got the shot while they were pregnant, a huge percentage of them are having miscarriages or stillbirths or all sorts of problems in carrying those babies to term. And it's just This is probably one of the greatest crimes in the history of the world, is what's been pulled over on the world population because you look at it. I mean, communism killed off one hundred million people worldwide, but this could kill off a billion or two of people, which is much more tragic, obviously.
• 57:31
  So we just have to be careful, you and I, your wife, everyone listening to this and others and their friends and family to not be one of the victims. And one of those things is say no to all shots, resist this change to insect food, to keep vitamin mineral supplements out there because those are one of the things that help protect you. Added zinc, added selenium, quercetin, vitamin C, vitamin D3, vitamin K2, all of these things will help protect you. In acetylcysteine, the FDA is working hard to get rid of and declare a drug. We have to fight that.
• 58:15
  I mean, all these healthy products that they're trying to remove from the market or to marginalize in some way, keep you from taking them, we have to resist that. And we just have to stand up and say, No, we're going to keep getting these products. It's sad because with the midterm elections coming up, a lot of people are putting their faith and hope that the right people will be elected. But sadly, a lot of those people who get elected just get turned because their grounding in the principles of freedom is not solid enough to keep them from being corrupted. The least corruptible people are the ones who have really solid grounding in principles of freedom and liberty and the like.
• 59:16
  And I was very lucky to get that early on, both from my father and from my involvement in politics starting at the age of 12, literally 12. And then my grounding with the Freedom School that Robert LaFaybe, who's now long since dead, had put out there and people, young people could attend like I did. And so these are the people you can mostly trust because they have something inside of them more than just the love for money, and they are a lack of knowledge about how the world really works. So they think the government can give The people who don't have this think the government can give them everything and that there's no cost to it. It's that modern monetary theory of just print the money as much as you like.
• 1:00:25
  But I think ultimately that will be our salvation too, because I think when The US Government finally collapses Well, I've been saying that for thirty years at least. But when it does finally collapse because of this bad intersection between high interest rates and the dollar, wanting to save the dollar, but at the same time, give it up if it means the economy will crash. And that's the dilemma the Fed is faced with Federal Reserve is faced with right now. But when that time comes, the welfare state will end because the government will have no more money to give out there to all these people. So this may be our ultimate savior, but at what cost?
• 1:01:15
  You crash the economy, you cause a lot of pain to people. People could starve, people commit suicide. There'll be a lot of deaths from this and a lot of dislocation and a lot of hunger. So people need to be prepared for this eventuality and keep tabs on what's going on, whether it's with Codex or the FDA or the government. The government's the ultimate weak point because we can rail, let me put it another way.
• 1:01:52
  So a lot of people like the left wing consumer groups at Codex, they think that the answer to big tech and big ag and big pharma is that you just make the government so much stronger and then it will take care of all those people, right? Yeah, because they'll do the right thing. Well, that is so incredibly misguided, euphemistically speaking, misguided, because that's exactly what big pharma, big ag, big tech all want. They want a more powerful government that can order you around. Who has control of it now?
• 1:02:34
  It's them. Boy, they want thugs with even bigger clubs to go after you and bigger guns and all of that. And that's what they'll get if they get big government. The way to get rid of these people who are occurring favor with all the alphabet agencies and all that is to cut government down to the minimum. You know, governments really It's only justification for existing is to promote common justice and peace on the streets, keep the peace.
• 1:03:09
  That's really it, period. And anything else is too much. And yet people these days, especially, look to government as some sort of god on earth who can give them anything. They just create it out of thin air, and yet nothing that the government has do they have without their having taken it from the ordinary citizens. They have to take it from the ordinary citizens, whether they're printing money and lowering the value of the money in your wallet, your purse, or they tax it, they're taking it from you, or they fine you, or they imprison you, or whatever it may be.
• 1:03:56
  But really, the government is the big enemy. You take that out, not entirely reduce it down in great size. The big problem is, and I saw a great meme on this, Seth, was you get rid of the big government that's eating everything up, and then the meme showed a little baby government and a small government it had on its shirt, small government, it said. And then the next frame shows, I'm hungry. The baby government saying, I'm hungry.
• 1:04:33
  And that's it. Then it starts all over again. It just starts all over again. The other big reason we're in this fix is that men have been marginalized. I hate to put it down to that, but men have been marginalized and pushed to the side.
• 1:04:59
  Courts are very pro women, fathers are kept from seeing their children. All the school shooters had come from fatherless homes. There were also a lot of them on drugs, but one of the most common factors was they came from fatherless homes. And this It takes a man to turn a boy into a man. It takes a father to turn a boy into a man.
• 1:05:27
  A woman can only do A mother can only do so much, but at a certain point, it takes the father to teach them values that will last through their entire lives. And we aren't seeing that, and that's one of the reasons this country is rudderless and running amok. And yet, unfortunately, there are a lot of women who see this as a problem too, and God bless them, but there are way too many women who see nothing wrong with the current situation. Yeah, let me get alimony and child support, and if he doesn't pay the child support, he can lose his passport, go to prison, even put in jail and the like, drummed out of society because he's a deadbeat dad. But if I don't let him see his children, what happens to me?
• 1:06:18
  Oh, I get a slap on the hand, if even that, or a stern talking to by the judge, let him see his kids. But the fact of the matter is it's so slanted, and I've seen this as an attorney, which I am, I've seen this time and time again, and it's absolutely disgusting. And the women in these courts don't even realize they're actually slitting their own throats by doing this, and they're creating their problems. But children raised, sons raised in a home with a father, preferably two parents, are less likely to commit domestic violence, are less likely to engage in any crime, are more likely to be successful in life, have higher IQs to do better on tests, do better in society in general, and we've lost that, we're losing it. It's a shame.
• 1:07:17
  So if we want to address this slide, we need to get a fairer family courts, and we need to get men, fathers, back into their children's lives.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: The ones who are dangerous fathers, and there are some of those admittedly, just like there are dangerous mothers. But the interesting thing is mothers are less likely to abuse their children if the father is around, and mothers commit double the child abuse that fathers do. Now admittedly, mothers are around children more than the fathers are, so there is a rationale there. However, it's still a huge problem.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: So I couldn't agree more with that, especially I mean, it reminds me of the meme. I see you going around. It's not really it's much bigger, but it's really just the idea that strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create bad times, basically.
• 1:08:19
  And that's this is it's the fourth turning. This is where we're at. Yeah. Alright. And you well put.
• 1:08:24
  And you mentioned, you know, how the collapse of this could be our salvation. So we've only got a few more minutes left because I have another interview to prepare for. But can you just leave us with the idea of what gives you hope? Do you have hope for the future? Do you think that the globalists are succeed and, you know, turn us into a tenth of what we are right now?
• 1:08:45
  Or do you have hope that mankind can actually come out on top of this and rid these parasites once and for all from our earth?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I I actually have great hope because it's been done in the past where we've succeeded in overthrowing tyranny. I mean, just the US revolution itself. But I think we will succeed. I think it's doomed to failure as all dreams of control, worldwide dreams of control, have failed. These people have been very thorough, these families who compose the elite have been very thorough, and they are building a cage of technocratic control, you know, with surveillance all 20 fourseven and the like.
• 1:09:40
  And once they close that cage, I'm far less optimistic about the outcome. I mean, we could be in darkness for five hundred, one thousand years before some brave soul comes out and leads the charge to freedom. But I think if we act now, and I see that happening all around us and people waking up, and actually as bad as the COVID-nineteen pandemic or plandemic or scandemic, however you want to call it, for Americans and the rest of the world, it actually did us all a big favor by exposing what these people are doing, how they're creating bioweapons, how they are trying to control us and introduce these draconian controls like they did with the lockdowns and the mask wearing, and you can't go into certain countries unless you're vaccinated and the like. So they've exposed the way and they've shown that a lot of people, to a lot of people, that they are really evil in what they're doing because they don't really care about us. They don't care what's happening.
• 1:11:01
  So yeah, I see a lot there. And I would really urge people who are interested to join the National Health Federation. We have a website. You were kind enough to show some of the information up there. But if you go to nhf.com, that's THENHF.com, you'll actually, if you're interested, on the homepage, there's a link that takes you to a very long set of information on COVID that's a great resource if you have to make arguments, if you need to write a paper on COVID-nineteen and the like and the vaccines, then you can go there.
• 1:11:43
  It's generally up to date to, I think, the summer of this year. I haven't looked at it since this summer, but highly recommend it. Then there are a lot of articles on the Codex meetings and the like, so please join us.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Us, become a member, Yeah,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: thank you. It's only $45 a year. You get a magazine, a quarterly magazine that we put out. This is the one and a lot of it's information ahead of its time. This is the issue that came out, the winter twenty nineteen issue.
• 1:12:22
  It came out in January of twenty twenty, but the winter twenty nineteen issue that basically told people, Look, the COVID-nineteen that you're hearing rumors about as being very deadly and fatal is not as dangerous as it's being said, so don't be afraid of it. And then later we came out with an issue that featured Mickey Willis in his film and Kelly Gallagher's film The Pandemic. And in fact, our NHF organization helped support his work on that. And there are a lot of other things, other things we just don't have time to cover, of course. We got this gentleman, there's me, and then on your right is David Noakes who had a cancer cure, highly affected, cured at high rates, far, far higher than chemo ever could, cancer.
• 1:13:30
  But he was shut down, thrown into prison in France and The UK, and we helped get him out of one of those prisons. But there's lots of other information than just COVID and codex in these issues, and being a member will help us protect you to the extent we can and fight for your health freedom rights. So maybe that's all I have to say about that.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. So just to remind folks, your website is thenhf.com. And I'll put that link into the description below so you can find that. And Scott, I just want to thank you for everything that you're doing. You're on the front lines, an international level on the front lines, I can imagine that.
• 1:14:19
  But you're fighting for, you know, medical freedom and this freedom for all the people, not just in America, but around the world. You're influencing things on that scale. So I thank you for the courage that you have and what you're doing. And thank you also for just giving us the time today, because this is some important information that is new to me in many ways. And I think it's really critical for folks to really understand what what's happening at the Codex level, and how people are fighting against it, but also to be reminded of the power that we have as individuals just to say no, and how that's ultimately what this comes down to.
• 1:14:55
  So, Scott, again, thank you for joining me today. It's been wonderful speaking with you.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Seth, and I appreciate it. And keep up the good work you're doing with your program. I really, we need that. Okay.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Ben.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Take care.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: All right.