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What I've Learnt - Janice Breen-Burns (2024) · WHAT I'VE LEARNT

• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Janice Greenburns is a highly respected fashion journalist, editor, and features writer of more than 30 years' experience in Metro Daily newspapers and more recently in digital media.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: Voxfrock.com.au is her digital blog zine based on the variety of content and style of newspaper fashion pages.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's been a huge success.
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  SPEAKER_00: Renowned for her industry knowledge and witty realistic insights into the role of fashion in everyday life, she's a frequent contributor to workshops, seminars, industry panels, radio and television reports relevant to fashion and its culture.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: She's actually listed in the inaugural issue of Who's Who of Australian Women.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: So she's quite renowned.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: She's also judged the Victoria Racing Club's Fashions on the Field series during the Melbourne Cup carnival, and that's since 1982.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: So we're thrilled to have her join us on the pod to talk all things fashion after a stunning sun-soaked Melbourne Cup, the ladies are getting ready to launch.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: So, welcome back, Janice.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: Thrilled to have you join me again on the What I've Learnt podcast for a fashion checkup.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Let's hone in on our premium local fashion fair here in downtown Melbourne.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: From heiress Nikki Hilton Rothschild and Australian designer Rebecca Valance to Elizabeth and Damien Hurley to Dapper Sir Bob Geldoff and singer Ronan Keating, there was a vast array of the who's who from here and abroad.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Why do they love us so much that they come all the way down here?
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: And why are we doing this so well?
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, my thoughts.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Gosh, that's a that's a question.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Out of the blue, Deb.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: I why do they love us so much?
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, why wouldn't you love Melbourne?
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know a story?
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: We we had a crew, Vox Rock had a crew out there on Cup Day and Derby Day, and every conversation that we had that was just generally talking about being on the tools was about how this is unbelievably unique.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's no other spectacle like it, I don't think in the world.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I haven't been to Ascot or the Kentucky Derby, but there's something about the Melbourne women and men that is quite different anyway, because they tend to be much more expressive in the way they dress.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: And the the the all the infrastructure that they that the VRC puts around it is just so incredibly alluring.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, why wouldn't you love the Melbourne Cup?
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: I totally agree.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a planet wide phenomenon.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: It is, and it's really interesting because so we had some friends here from the UK and they were just in awe.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: They, I mean, they were, you know, they're driving around Melbourne, and then there's people swanning around with these beautiful outfits and hats, and they're in the cafes and the sun shining, and they're just they're just like in awe.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, they're from the heart of London and they're just saying, this is so beautiful.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so what they were witnessing, I think we have really created this cultural hub here, particularly fashion.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: We have actually stepped up, considering we're a small little blot on, if you like, the global fashion stage, but we've become quite at the forefront.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think?
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, look at Rebecca Valance and Nikki Hilton and you know, this whole sort of alignment, you've got the Zimmermans, you've got, I mean, you can name it's literally endless the impact that Australian fashionistas are having on the global stage, and maybe that's bringing people in as well.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts on that?
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, definitely, absolutely, definitely.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think we are unique, even in that sort of bandwidth of uh middle to upper luxury brands like Rebecca, like um Nikki, uh, like like the Zimmermans, like Camilla and Mark.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: We also in Melbourne have Scanlon and uh Scanlon Theatre and uh Victoria and Wood and Tony Matacheski, of course.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: And we have some some quirky kind of brands down here too, which sort of go into that.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think the that that bandwidth, as I said, of the middle to upper luxury Australian fashion is mixed in in Melbourne with this quirky kind of culture that we also have down here.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not talking about thrifting, I'm talking about um standout local labels that are just utterly unique in the world, and they're run, they're small micro studios, small studios, and they're run by um very expressive creatives, and they have their tribes, and those mix in to the spectacle at uh Melbourne Cup, I think, and Derby Day and Oaks, of course.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: And uh there's a lot of uh if you go to Fashions on the Field, for instance, on any of those days, there's a lot of women, particularly, and well, and men, um, but mostly women, because um uh we we do have a male competition and they tend to go for the international brands, but there's a lot of women who have this um local loyalty to these brands that they know in the streets of Brunswick, the streets of Fitzroy, the streets of St.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Kilda and Peran, and they go back to them and they'll get a special hat or a special accessory or a special whole outfit made by somebody that nobody would have um uh clocked on to in the fashion world anywhere else.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I think there's it's that mix.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's sort of an expressive, um, an eclectic sort of tone, but at the same time, obviously, I mean, I sort of love the classy elegance.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Some of those dresses were just superb yesterday.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I love the tones of the pinks and the reds, and there was just this wonderful sense of everybody was shining.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: It was beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a very, it just had a beautiful energy, but I think that's quite Australian.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think it is there's a real sense of, you know, just own it.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: And even that, you know, some of the um Sophie Baxter she was performing in this pink sequence, it was just it had a beautiful energy.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we have that free-spiritedness in Australia that maybe is very appealing.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: I love that expression, beautiful energy, because that's exactly what it is.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I also think in the framework of the races, um, fashion's done its work too.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um fashion, the fashion industry is beginning to say, don't worry so follow a trend if you want to, but don't worry if you don't want to.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Do what you like, do what you love.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so out of that has become this, has come this sort of seepage of these, all these classic uh tenets of of of glamour that just stay in the racewear framework.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: They stay there.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: This is the ankle grazer skirts, which are the most beautiful, most, you know, we used to use the word flattering, and I know that's not a not a PC word at the moment, but they're very flattering to um most racegoers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's also the emphasis on the waist.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: There's a bit of a throwback to Christine Giorg's new look, and it's all um it's all recognizable every year that there are there's a certain bandwidth of women that go back to those classic tenets of glamorous racewear, and they wear the netting, the netting, um, you know, the beautiful and the gorgeous um classic ribbons.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: The the ribbons in long hair were just absolutely gorgeous things.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: And they go back to things like like um lace and full skirts and emphasis on the waist, and uh a coordinated, if not a matching handbag, and and everything's achieved within this incredible framework of good grooming, like beautifully finished hair, beautifully, beautiful manicures, everything's clean and pressed and achieved with that that incredible self-care and self-pride.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's why we see such a gorgeous spectacle at raceware that is unique in at the races, that is unique in the world, because there are not many opportunities that even clubbing and parties and things like that are.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: So true.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not many opportunities where just on an ordinary day, you can just take that amount of care and and then go out, you know, ta da, looking absolutely gorgeous and proud of yourself.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I love about it.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's a very good point because actually it's a great ode to history, like a lot of the fashion as you refer to, um, you know, the beautiful mid-length skirts as well.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, everything seems iconic.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: There was a strong sort of iconography that I noticed in this particular year.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's often reflected, but particularly this year.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: There's also a refinement.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: And as you say, there's a let's get dressed, let's dress up, because there's so much, you know, deconstruction.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: And there seems to be a move towards dressing up, feeling elegant, feeling good.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's an interesting, obviously, on it on another note, obviously, you have the showcase of beauty and aesthetic and all of the things that you've outlined, all of which you and I both love.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: But obviously, it's expensive, it's not always accessible for some people.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Although it's interesting because then you've got all the so-called um dupes that, you know, which obviously would not be reflected yesterday because most people honored the originators.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, how do you see that playing out?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because do you think the cup is still accessible or the spring racing carnival is still accessible?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's very important.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's incredibly important.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I'll just drop in here that I I judged something like 40 fashion uh years of fashions on the field until 2022, I think it was.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so from the beginning when it was reintroduced after a hiatus, and that has always been what I loved about Fashions on the Field, because it this is where women come out of the suburban woodwork looking like star stars and starlets and celebrities.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: And you're absolutely right.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: It is a uh, I suppose it's a bit of a privilege to have the money to put an outfit together, but so many of them are they'll still go into these are these are just everyday, you know, ordinary career women, mums, dads, and sons and daughters go into this competition for this incredible prize pool, which is uh nearly up to$400,000 this year.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um extraordinary.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so there's a big motivation too.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of money, yeah.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Rock up, rocked up because it could mean dollars.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: But they all so many of them over the years um have made their own outfits.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I know um the ambassador to VRC at the moment, the Flemington, the Cup Carnival ambassador, Crystal Kimber Peters.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: She, I remember judging her originally, and she and her mum were in the lineup, and we interviewed them beforehand, and they were so excited.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: This is years and years ago, so excited because they'd sat up all night and finished this outfit that Crystal was wearing.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: And she ended up winning on that day, and she ended up winning the whole shebang, I think that year.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: But she is uh she's the poster girl, as far as I'm concerned.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: And there are others like Sarah Schofield, who is um a glorious-looking woman as well, but she always uh, and and I think that's sort of you know that that um judgment uh just on an aside has crept into the judging recently.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: But she was she is a beautiful looking woman, and she always made her outfits from top to bottom, from hat to hat to hen line.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're my poster girls for fashions on the field.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: And why we see so many, I mean, what is what was it, 90,000 people yesterday, and I would say 95% of them would have been paying customers out there with their best gear on.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they come out of the woodwork and just have fun and for fashion, for the sake of fashion and the joy that fashion can bring.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: It almost, it almost sideswipes the actual main race, doesn't it?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because everyone's just so focused on the fashion.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't only sideswipe it.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: There are thousands of people, literally thousands of people, I am estimating, after talking to many, many thousands of years, who don't see a horse.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's so many people both don't see a horse.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: They were, you know, they will make the the ritual kind of run down to the fence when the cup is on on cup day or s or something like that.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: But often on the the the secondary days like um Oaks Day, States Day, and Derby Day, they might not see a horse.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's so true that I know lots of people like that.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Just on that note, Oaks Day, that's tomorrow.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: What are you last luncheon today and Oaks Day tomorrow?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so tell me, what are you expecting, thinking?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: What are we gonna see?
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Any anyway?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well, same.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking more of the same.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oaks Day used to be called ladies.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I think that's sort of melted away now because the men and and all genders actually, uh, everyone, everyone gets involved in Oaks Day.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, there's a little couple of couple of pings higher even than Derby Day and Cup Day because it's seen as a fashion day.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: So you do uh I I I think that trends have um you know dissipated a bit across across fashion and people don't follow them so much anymore.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: But it'll be on Oaks Day where you see people who haven't really got an idea where to start with their outfits, they'll start with a trend.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: So they'll start with the with with the lace or they'll start with the ankle grazer hemline or or the knicker flasher hemline because there's plenty of those around.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: I like that expression.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's quite funny.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh boy, they sure are.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um and they're gorgeous too.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: And um I I I love them all.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: And the the you know, the idea if if if someone's going out there tomorrow and they haven't got a hat, they might um grab a headband and and re rewind a different scarf around it or something so that they've got something from last year.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, the bows and the ribbons are just um, as you said, they're they're absolutely they've they're from a bygone era and they just keep coming, popping up in fashion over and over and over again.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: And they've stayed now for three, four, five years.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: So a big bow in the back of the hair.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm expecting all those florals, you know, florals, you think they go in and out, in and out, in and out.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, they don't we love a floral.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: They love them and they look spectacular in them, especially if it's a sunny day.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: And and this year there's been a lot of um, as far as trends go, there's been a lot of that 3D silk, handmade silk flowers actually embarrassed, embarrassed, embellishing.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, around the neckline, around the neckline, or on bubbled peplums, on the hips, or all over, write down a uh a beautiful, you know, arabesque pencil dress with a with a long, long pencil hemline.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm expecting to see all of it, all that classic stuff, but also a few of those expressive little pops as well.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's just so good for the soul to actually dress up, get out and watch, and just for everyone seems it's just very connecting too.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's not, I mean, what people don't realize is I mean, it sounds very uh and it is privileged, but as you pointed out, it's actually funnily enough, it's almost like egalitarian in that anyone and everyone can turn up and dress up in whatever way they want.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: But there's something really beautiful about it brings Melbourne together, but it also, as we started out talking about, brings all these international guests because they love the spirit of the day and the carnival.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think it's changed or evolved?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well, yes, it definitely has.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it would take it would take me an hour to tell you how it's changed and evolved.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: Did we get some highlight reel?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like a little highlight reel.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, fashions on the field when I first started was we was we the judges, I was a fashion editor.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Believe it or not, I was uh I was a women's editor at the Geelong Advertiser at the time.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: That was my first year and was 82 or 83.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: And we were we would we sat on wobbly plastic chairs in front of on the lawns in front of the members, and and women and girls had been given out uh cards inviting them to come and file past us.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: And we we were given a set of criteria which was about this long about you must have a handbag, you must have hosiery, you must have, you must be wearing a hat, not a not a head, not a fascinator, all this sort of stuff.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: So definitely fashions on the field and the experience that most Melbourne's have uh who come out to go into Fashions on the Field has definitely changed because now it's uh of course the judging panel is a a couple of um fashion aficionados, um, but most mostly you know kind of celebrities and influencers and that sort of thing.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: But uh well, I'm I'm I'm hoping I'm not wrong there.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: I know that their judge their judging panels are are terrific and they've got great knowledge, but um it's totally different, and they have this this you know structure that's sort of that's almost like a permanent building, and the requirement is for women, it has been for a long time, for uh contestants to actually do a model walk, which I just it it is absolutely terrifying for them.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: In front of TV cameras and press and particularly, and if you're on the judging of a judging panel um watching this happening, the the the contestants come towards you and of course pause and they have to do a bit of a spin.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know whether they practice this or not because God, kudos for to them for the terrifying, and make sure that you can walk in your shoes, and the terror of falling over, of course.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: And if you when they come up to their judging panel, you can see them trembling with terror.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I've often thought in the last that's only happened in the last probably 10 years or so, and I've often thought this used to be fun, yeah.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's seriously intense.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: And now it's now it's uh a bit of an ordeal.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's really interesting, isn't it?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: They've made it much more formalized, haven't they?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's actually quite a little powerful image of how much it means to people to make that effort and dress up, and then also the notion of being judged on it is obviously it's like you know, it's peacocking, and that's part of what it is.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's part of sort of the human.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: If you go back, and we've discussed this before, you go back, you know, even tribally, people have always dressed up, and then this is just that extension of that, but to be judged on that is quite scary, but also a great honor if you get if you win, I suppose.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, just on a more serious note, clearly it's been a pretty tough time for fashion.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: You and I touched on this briefly last year, but you know, it really has seems to have gone quite downhill.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, we've talked about the circular economy, which we'll also touch on briefly.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: What do you see?
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: When tech retailers dropping like flies from mosaic to well-known brands across the spectrum.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: What's your take on this?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: And and do you think it's recoverable or do you think it's just a new era?
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it's it's polarized, hasn't it?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the fashion industry has always been polarized between the you know the large brands up one end and the and the uh micro micro studios up the other.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the micro studios are suffering.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't know if that's a that's the right word.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Word, they're certainly battle weary at the moment because uh we have a cost of living crisis and we've uh they barely recovered from a lot of them didn't recover from COVID and uh others uh barely recovered or have just sort of hung on by their fingernails and then continued on, still hanging on by their fingernails.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I think the cost of living crisis has really knocked a few brands out of the water, plus uh the higher cost of their uh commitments to circular economies and sustainability and those sorts of things.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen a few um really fantastic sustainable circular brands dropping off the perch in the last uh year or so, particularly.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's harder and harder and harder, and yet um at the other end seems to not be suffering that much.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I suppose so we need a recalibration of the market.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: We say in Melbourne, I'm I run an industry organization called Fash Lab, which is a community of all the small micro and small studio brands in Melbourne, but also a lot of the uh also a lot of the um fashion professionals from photographers to milliners to hair and makeup artists to event managers and PR people, that sort of thing.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: And the whole thing that we are sort of striving for now is rebranding Melbourne generally as a hub for the uh expressive eccentric micro studio, which is on the rise in these coming generations.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: The younger generations are seeing I don't want to name anybody, but yeah, and I know that there's a there's a there's a a demographic that must shop that way because their struggles are affordable, yeah.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's affordable and that is understandable, but um I see out of uh rising like a phoenix out of the ashes of COVID and this cost of living crisis, I see a new focus on local brands, uh particularly Melbourne brands, because I'm talking about them and I'm I'm I'm talking about the FASH lab brands, that are push, that are, that are recognizable for exactly what we've been talking about, their expression, their originality, their quirkiness, their uniqueness, their uh their tribal markets rather than their massive global markets.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: And they that kind of small fry, small fry brand will find um will find relevance and validation and amplification across the fashion uh tribes across the globe, I hope, because it's easy to buy Melbourne fashion online now.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: They will find their identity as in the same way in the 70s and 80s, London.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: London found its identity, and Antwerp fashion found its identity, and then into the 90s, Berlin and these other kind of quirky, quirky hubs of expressive fashion, I think that is the future.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so I have to say it, Melbourne fashion is the future of well.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I and and on that note, I agree with you, and we could talk about so much more, but obviously that is a wonderful note to finish on because I actually do agree with you.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're a cultural hub or a fashion hub.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: And hopefully these bespoke um wonderful studios seem to be emerging.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: I know that it's what the next generation are looking for.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: They love it, it makes them, you know, it helps them express themselves.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: And let's just hope that the evolution heads in the right direction, even if it's almost like back to the 70s, like that notion.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that notion.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we you and I love that, right?
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, and I think the next generation love it too.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: So on that note, thank you so much, Janice, for taking the time to speak to us.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful as always.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Love chatting to you.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, go and enjoy your Oaks Day lunch and thank you.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you have gotten to you, Dib.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Love chatting to you.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's always an absolute treat.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, because you know your stuff.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: So do you.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: We know our frogs.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Take care, Janice.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, lovely to talk, Deb.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: See you.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much for listening.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm blessed to have so many wonderful guests coming on the show.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: So check out my What I've Learned Instagram for updates.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, stay tuned, kind, and curious.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Love Deb.