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Who Gets a Say in the Sport? · Two Point Perspective

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  In
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  the
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  last
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  episode,
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  we
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  talked
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  about
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  how
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  decisions
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  get
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  made
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  and
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  what
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  happens
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  when
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  they
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  don't
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  line
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  up.
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  This
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  week
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  there's
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  conversation,
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  not
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  just
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  from
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  trainers,
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  but
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  from
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  riders
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  too.
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  And
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  it
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  all
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  comes
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  same
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  question.
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  Trainers
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  are
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  starting
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  to
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  organize
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  around
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  how
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  those
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  decisions
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  get
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  made.
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  So
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  we
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  wanted
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  to
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  ask,
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  this
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  is
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  two
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  point
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  perspective.
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  Two
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  riders
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  with
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  different
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  viewpoints
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  from
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  different
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  generations
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  talking
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  about
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  the
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  same
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  sport.
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  Basically,
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  we're
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  a
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  lobby
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  group
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  for
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  the
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  professionals
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  in
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  the
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  horse
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  business,
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  hopefully
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  using
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  common
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  sense
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  with
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  our
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  ideas
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  to
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  hopefully
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  change
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  the
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  sport
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  and
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  the
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  industry
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  for
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  the
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  better
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  in
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  the
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  long
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  run.
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  And
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  we're
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  just
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  trying
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  to
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  do
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  things
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  that
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  make
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  sense,
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  just
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  things
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  that
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  we
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  think
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  the
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  average
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  and
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  normal
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  horsemen
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  would
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  want
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  to
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  see
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  at
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  horse
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  shows.
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  Last
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  October,
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  a
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  few
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  of
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  us
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  were
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  at
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  a
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  horse
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  show
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  and
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  we
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  were
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  sitting
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  around
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  and
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  we
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  found
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  ourselves
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  complaining
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  about
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  the
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  horse
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  show.
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  This
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  was
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  that.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  the
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  industry
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  and
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  the,
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  the,
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  the
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  USF
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  and
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  you
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  know,
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  found
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  ourselves
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  talking
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  and
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  bitching
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  and,
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  and
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  we
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  just
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  were
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  negative.
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  And
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  I
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  said,
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  a
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  couple
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  of
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  us
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  started
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  talking
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  and
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  I
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  said,
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  you
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  know,
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  as
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  individuals
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  we
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  really
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  don't
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  have
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  much
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  of
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  a
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  voice,
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  but
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  maybe
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  as
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  a
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  group
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  we
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  could
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  create
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  a
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  voice
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  through
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  trainers
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  and
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  the
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  trainers.
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  All
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  trainers
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  we
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  feel
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  like
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  should
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  be
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  representing
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  their
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  owners
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  or
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  students.
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  So
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  we
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  said
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  if
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  the
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  trainers
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  could
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  get
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  together
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  and
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  form
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  a
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  group
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  where
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  we
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  talked
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  about
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  our
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  issues,
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  problems,
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  what
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  we'd
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  like
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  to
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  see
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  different,
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  what
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  we'd
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  like
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  to
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  see
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  better
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  and
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  we
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  could
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  come
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  up
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  with
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  ideas
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  and
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  solutions
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  to
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  the
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  problems,
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  maybe
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  we
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  could
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  get
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  hurt.
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  And
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  that
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  was
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  the
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  premise
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  for
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  making
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  it
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  was
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  to
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  try
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  to
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  just
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  create.
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  A
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  group,
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  some,
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  some
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  clients
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  or
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  students
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  or
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  you
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  know,
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  however
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  you
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  want
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  to
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  look
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  at
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  that
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  sort
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  of
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  feel
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  like
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  maybe
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  there's
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  a
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  disconnect
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  between
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  like
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  some
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  of
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  the
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  people
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  making
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  the
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  decisions
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  and,
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  and
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  us.
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  And
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  so
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  do
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  you
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  feel
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  like
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  the
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  trainers
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  will
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  be
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  able,
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  or
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  this
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  group
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  will
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  be
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  able
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  to
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  hopefully
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  come
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  together
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  and
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  make
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  it
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  so
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  some
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  of
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  those
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  issues
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  that
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  you're
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  seeing
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  from
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  your
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  clients
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  or,
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  and
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  you
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  yourself
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  and
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  other
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  trainers
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  will
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  be
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  able
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  to
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  be
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  heard?
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  Absolutely.
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  I
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  think
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  again,
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  the
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  purpose
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  of
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  it
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  would
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  be
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  to
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  represent
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  your
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  owners
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  or
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  your
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  clients.
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  So
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  we
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  are
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  going
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  to.
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  The
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  premise
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  of
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  how
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  we
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  would
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  do
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  that
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  is
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  when
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  we
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  come,
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  we
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  find
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  a
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  problem,
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  identify
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  a
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  problem
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  or
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  a
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  situation,
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  we
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  have
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  to
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  not
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  only
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  say
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  this
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  is
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  not
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  good,
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  we
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  have
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  to
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  solve
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  the
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  problem.
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  So
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  we
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  would
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  go
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  back
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  and
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  come
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  up
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  with
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  a
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  solution
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  or
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  what
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  we
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  feel
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  like
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  would
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  be
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  a
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  solution
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  for
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  the
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  problem
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  as
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  trainers,
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  as
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  a
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  group,
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  and
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  then
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  we
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  would
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  vote
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  on
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  that
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  solution.
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  And
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  if
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  Our
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  majority
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  of
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  our
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  trainers
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  members
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  vote
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  in
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  favor
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  of
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  it.
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  Then
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  we
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  would
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  take
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  that
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  solution
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  to
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  youcef,
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  to
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  USHJ
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  or
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  to
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  show
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  management
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  and
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  say
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  these
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  are
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  our
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  ideas.
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  The
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  majority
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  of
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  us
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  have
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  voted
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  for
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  this
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  and
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  we
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  would
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  like
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  for
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  you
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  to
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  consider
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  it.
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  And
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  all
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  of
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  our
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  votes
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  would
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  be
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  made
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  public
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  to
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  our
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  members.
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  So
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  you
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  know
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  that
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  the
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  vote,
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  the
• 3:38
  majority
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  is
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  the
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  way
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  we're
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  following,
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  not
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  not
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  just
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  the
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  board
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  members
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  way
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  of
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  following,
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  it
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  would
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  be
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  the
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  majority
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  of
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  the
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  group.
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  I
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  just
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  have
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  a
• 3:47
  question.
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  As
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  you've
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  started
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  thinking
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  this
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  way,
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  have
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  you
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  had
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  any
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  interaction
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  with
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  like
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  Yusuf
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  or
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  Ushja?
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  Yeah.
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  Where
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  they
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  would
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  even
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  accept
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  or.
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  I,
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  I've
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  talked
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  to
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  the
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  presidents
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  of
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  both
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  and
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  both
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  of
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  them
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  have
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  been
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  very
• 4:09
  receptive
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  in
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  initiating
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  our
• 4:12
  conversations
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  and
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  they
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  are
• 4:13
  interested
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  in
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  what
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  we
• 4:14
  have
• 4:14
  to
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  say.
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  We
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  have
• 4:17
  our
• 4:17
  first
• 4:19
  subject
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  and
• 4:20
  we're
• 4:20
  again,
• 4:21
  we're
• 4:21
  in
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  infant
• 4:21
  stages
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  of
• 4:22
  what
• 4:22
  we're
• 4:22
  doing.
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  We
• 4:23
  started
• 4:23
  basically
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  January
• 4:24
  1st.
• 4:25
  We
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  have
• 4:25
  approximately
• 4:27
  400
• 4:27
  members,
• 4:27
  give
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  or
• 4:28
  take
• 4:28
  20.
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  But
• 4:31
  we
• 4:31
  started
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  with
• 4:32
  horse
• 4:32
  welfare
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  and
• 4:34
  we
• 4:34
  did
• 4:34
  our
• 4:34
  own
• 4:35
  survey,
• 4:35
  which
• 4:35
  you
• 4:36
  can
• 4:36
  see
• 4:36
  on
• 4:36
  our
• 4:36
  website
• 4:38
  on
• 4:38
  horse
• 4:38
  welfare
• 4:39
  and
• 4:39
  what
• 4:41
  trainers
• 4:42
  thought
• 4:43
  the
• 4:43
  issues
• 4:43
  were
• 4:44
  with
• 4:44
  horse
• 4:44
  welfare.
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  And
• 4:45
  we
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  sent
• 4:46
  a
• 4:46
  letter
• 4:47
  to
• 4:47
  Yusef
• 4:47
  and
• 4:48
  asked
• 4:48
  them
• 4:48
  to
• 4:48
  give
• 4:49
  us
• 4:49
  a
• 4:49
  list
• 4:49
  of
• 4:50
  what
• 4:50
  they
• 4:51
  thought
• 4:51
  the
• 4:51
  problems
• 4:52
  were
• 4:52
  that
• 4:52
  they
• 4:53
  were
• 4:53
  seeing
• 4:53
  from
• 4:53
  a
• 4:54
  administrative
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  side.
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  Right.
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  And
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  then
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  what
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  are
• 4:56
  we
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  seeing
• 4:57
  from
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  in
• 4:57
  the
• 4:57
  trenches
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  and
• 4:58
  are
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  they
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  same?
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  The
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  same,
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  yeah,
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  exactly.
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  We're
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  still
• 5:02
  waiting
• 5:02
  to
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  get
• 5:03
  a
• 5:03
  little
• 5:03
  bit
• 5:03
  more
• 5:03
  information
• 5:04
  from
• 5:04
  Yousef
• 5:04
  as
• 5:05
  far
• 5:05
  as
• 5:05
  that
• 5:05
  goes,
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  but
• 5:06
  we've
• 5:07
  got
• 5:07
  our
• 5:07
  survey
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  out
• 5:08
  and
• 5:09
  you
• 5:09
  can
• 5:09
  see
• 5:09
  it
• 5:10
  on
• 5:10
  there.
• 5:10
  And
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  be
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  honest
• 5:12
  with
• 5:12
  you,
• 5:12
  if
• 5:12
  I'm
• 5:12
  not
• 5:12
  looking
• 5:12
  at
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  survey,
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  I
• 5:13
  don't
• 5:13
  want
• 5:13
  to
• 5:13
  give
• 5:14
  wrong
• 5:14
  information.
• 5:15
  But
• 5:15
  basically
• 5:16
  it
• 5:16
  was
• 5:16
  things
• 5:16
  like
• 5:17
  lunging,
• 5:19
  stabling
• 5:19
  conditions,
• 5:21
  medications,
• 5:23
  tackle
• 5:25
  and
• 5:25
  there's
• 5:26
  two
• 5:26
  or
• 5:26
  three
• 5:26
  others
• 5:26
  that
• 5:27
  were
• 5:27
  on
• 5:27
  there.
• 5:27
  And
• 5:28
  we
• 5:28
  asked
• 5:28
  our
• 5:29
  members
• 5:29
  to
• 5:29
  list
• 5:29
  those
• 5:30
  in
• 5:30
  an
• 5:30
  importance
• 5:31
  of
• 5:31
  one
• 5:32
  to
• 5:32
  three.
• 5:33
  They
• 5:33
  had
• 5:33
  seven
• 5:34
  choices
• 5:34
  and
• 5:34
  one
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  three
• 5:35
  and
• 5:35
  then
• 5:36
  we
• 5:36
  took
• 5:36
  those
• 5:36
  and
• 5:36
  put
• 5:36
  that
• 5:37
  into
• 5:37
  a
• 5:37
  thing.
• 5:38
  And
• 5:38
  so
• 5:39
  we've.
• 5:40
  They're
• 5:41
  privy
• 5:42
  to
• 5:42
  that
• 5:42
  information
• 5:43
  and
• 5:43
  what
• 5:43
  we're
• 5:43
  hoping
• 5:44
  to
• 5:44
  do
• 5:44
  is
• 5:44
  that
• 5:45
  we
• 5:45
  can
• 5:45
  now
• 5:46
  tackle
• 5:48
  the
• 5:49
  priorities
• 5:49
  of
• 5:49
  horse
• 5:50
  welfare
• 5:50
  from
• 5:50
  the
• 5:51
  trainer
• 5:51
  side
• 5:51
  and
• 5:51
  give
• 5:52
  suggestions
• 5:52
  to
• 5:53
  horse
• 5:53
  show
• 5:53
  management
• 5:55
  and
• 5:55
  to
• 5:55
  Yousef
• 5:56
  Ushj
• 5:57
  of
• 5:57
  hey,
• 5:57
  this
• 5:57
  is
• 5:58
  what
• 5:58
  your
• 5:58
  trainers
• 5:58
  and
• 5:59
  clientele
• 5:59
  are
• 6:00
  feeling.
• 6:01
  We
• 6:01
  hope
• 6:01
  you'll
• 6:01
  use
• 6:02
  it
• 6:02
  to
• 6:02
  make.
• 6:02
  Things
• 6:03
  better,
• 6:03
  to
• 6:03
  make
• 6:03
  something
• 6:04
  happen.
• 6:05
  And
• 6:05
  just
• 6:05
  quickly,
• 6:06
  on
• 6:06
  horse
• 6:06
  show
• 6:07
  management,
• 6:08
  we're
• 6:08
  not
• 6:08
  working.
• 6:09
  We
• 6:10
  think
• 6:10
  that's
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  real
• 6:11
  opportunity
• 6:11
  to
• 6:11
  work
• 6:12
  with
• 6:12
  horse
• 6:12
  show
• 6:12
  management.
• 6:13
  Yeah.
• 6:14
  And
• 6:14
  in
• 6:14
  return,
• 6:15
  horse
• 6:15
  show
• 6:15
  management
• 6:15
  is
• 6:16
  going
• 6:16
  to
• 6:16
  tell
• 6:16
  us,
• 6:17
  hey
• 6:17
  guys,
• 6:18
  this
• 6:18
  is
• 6:18
  the
• 6:19
  problems
• 6:19
  you
• 6:19
  cause
• 6:20
  us.
• 6:20
  Now
• 6:22
  we
• 6:22
  have
• 6:22
  to
• 6:23
  address
• 6:23
  those
• 6:23
  problems
• 6:24
  as
• 6:24
  trainers.
• 6:24
  Hey,
• 6:26
  you're
• 6:26
  holding
• 6:26
  up
• 6:26
  the
• 6:26
  rings.
• 6:27
  You
• 6:27
  don't
• 6:27
  make
• 6:27
  your
• 6:27
  entries
• 6:28
  in
• 6:28
  time.
• 6:28
  I'm
• 6:28
  sure
• 6:29
  that's
• 6:29
  going
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  be
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  top
• 6:30
  two.
• 6:30
  But
• 6:31
  you
• 6:31
  know,
• 6:32
  we
• 6:32
  as
• 6:33
  trainers
• 6:33
  are
• 6:34
  getting
• 6:34
  feedback
• 6:34
  and
• 6:35
  saying,
• 6:35
  okay
• 6:35
  guys,
• 6:36
  if
• 6:36
  they're
• 6:36
  going
• 6:36
  to
• 6:36
  change
• 6:37
  things,
• 6:37
  we've
• 6:38
  got
• 6:38
  to
• 6:38
  be
• 6:38
  aware
• 6:38
  of
• 6:38
  what
• 6:39
  we
• 6:39
  cause
• 6:39
  as
• 6:39
  problems
• 6:40
  too.
• 6:40
  Hopefully
• 6:40
  we
• 6:41
  form
• 6:41
  a
• 6:41
  two
• 6:41
  way
• 6:41
  street.
• 6:42
  Right?
• 6:42
  That's
• 6:42
  the
• 6:42
  idea.
• 6:43
  That's
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  idea.
• 6:45
  Well,
• 6:45
  we
• 6:45
  sort
• 6:45
  of
• 6:45
  already
• 6:46
  touched
• 6:46
  on
• 6:46
  this
• 6:46
  about
• 6:46
  having
• 6:47
  trainers
• 6:48
  having
• 6:48
  more
• 6:48
  leverage
• 6:48
  and
• 6:49
  hopefully
• 6:49
  that
• 6:50
  will,
• 6:50
  as
• 6:51
  a
• 6:51
  cumulative
• 6:52
  group
• 6:52
  make
• 6:53
  a
• 6:53
  difference.
• 6:54
  But
• 6:54
  because
• 6:55
  one
• 6:55
  rider
• 6:55
  can
• 6:55
  maybe
• 6:55
  feel
• 6:56
  like
• 6:56
  something's
• 6:56
  off.
• 6:57
  But
• 6:57
  with
• 6:58
  a
• 6:58
  trainer
• 6:58
  with
• 6:58
  20
• 6:58
  clients,
• 6:59
  you're
• 6:59
  seeing
• 6:59
  patterns
• 7:00
  across
• 7:01
  all
• 7:01
  of
• 7:01
  them.
• 7:03
  Do
• 7:03
  you
• 7:03
  think
• 7:03
  part
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  that
• 7:05
  is
• 7:05
  driving
• 7:05
  this
• 7:06
  too?
• 7:07
  People
• 7:07
  having
• 7:08
  now
• 7:08
  I
• 7:08
  feel
• 7:09
  like
• 7:09
  there's
• 7:09
  a
• 7:09
  lot
• 7:09
  of
• 7:09
  talk
• 7:09
  like
• 7:10
  you
• 7:10
  guys
• 7:10
  already
• 7:10
  did
• 7:10
  a
• 7:11
  survey
• 7:11
  on
• 7:11
  horse
• 7:11
  welfare,
• 7:12
  so,
• 7:13
  you
• 7:13
  know,
• 7:13
  do
• 7:14
  you
• 7:14
  think
• 7:14
  that
• 7:15
  this
• 7:16
  will
• 7:16
  be
• 7:16
  an
• 7:16
  opportunity
• 7:17
  for.
• 7:19
  I
• 7:19
  guess,
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  guess
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  would,
• 7:20
  I
• 7:21
  would
• 7:21
  answer
• 7:21
  it
• 7:21
  and
• 7:21
  say
• 7:21
  that
• 7:21
  it
• 7:21
  is
• 7:22
  an
• 7:22
  opportunity
• 7:22
  for
• 7:23
  clients
• 7:23
  who
• 7:23
  are
• 7:24
  feeling
• 7:25
  like
• 7:25
  horse
• 7:25
  welfare
• 7:26
  is
• 7:26
  an
• 7:26
  issue
• 7:26
  or,
• 7:28
  I
• 7:28
  mean,
• 7:29
  there's
• 7:29
  other
• 7:29
  things
• 7:29
  we
• 7:29
  can
• 7:29
  talk
• 7:30
  about.
• 7:30
  We
• 7:30
  don't
• 7:30
  do
• 7:30
  that
• 7:30
  here.
• 7:31
  But
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  wonder
• 7:33
  sometimes,
• 7:33
  do
• 7:33
  clients
• 7:34
  even
• 7:34
  know,
• 7:35
  right,
• 7:35
  that
• 7:35
  there's
• 7:36
  these
• 7:36
  issues?
• 7:37
  Yeah,
• 7:37
  well,
• 7:38
  again,
• 7:38
  we
• 7:38
  put
• 7:38
  it
• 7:39
  out
• 7:39
  there
• 7:39
  in
• 7:39
  our
• 7:40
  survey
• 7:40
  for
• 7:40
  people
• 7:41
  to
• 7:41
  read
• 7:41
  and
• 7:41
  it's,
• 7:42
  it's
• 7:42
  given
• 7:42
  in
• 7:43
  a
• 7:43
  way
• 7:43
  of
• 7:44
  here's
• 7:44
  something
• 7:46
  and
• 7:46
  we
• 7:46
  list
• 7:47
  things
• 7:47
  underneath
• 7:48
  that.
• 7:48
  So
• 7:48
  it's
• 7:49
  on,
• 7:49
  it's
• 7:49
  under
• 7:49
  United
• 7:50
  States
• 7:50
  Equestrian
• 7:51
  Trainers
• 7:51
  Association.
• 7:53
  A
• 7:53
  long
• 7:54
  name.
• 7:54
  We
• 7:54
  could
• 7:54
  have
• 7:54
  come
• 7:54
  up
• 7:55
  maybe
• 7:55
  with
• 7:55
  a
• 7:55
  little
• 7:55
  better
• 7:56
  name,
• 7:56
  but
• 7:56
  that's,
• 7:56
  you
• 7:57
  know,
• 7:57
  unfortunately
• 7:58
  I
• 7:58
  named
• 7:58
  it,
• 7:59
  so
• 7:59
  that's
• 7:59
  what
• 7:59
  we
• 7:59
  came
• 7:59
  up
• 7:59
  with.
• 8:00
  But
• 8:01
  you
• 8:01
  can
• 8:02
  go
• 8:02
  on
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  website
• 8:02
  and
• 8:03
  look
• 8:03
  and
• 8:03
  like
• 8:03
  I
• 8:04
  said,
• 8:04
  it
• 8:05
  says
• 8:06
  list
• 8:07
  of
• 8:07
  things.
• 8:07
  So
• 8:08
  it's
• 8:08
  pretty
• 8:08
  self
• 8:08
  explanatory.
• 8:09
  Most
• 8:10
  anybody
• 8:10
  can
• 8:10
  figure
• 8:11
  out
• 8:11
  what
• 8:11
  we're
• 8:11
  talking
• 8:12
  about.
• 8:13
  And
• 8:13
  as
• 8:13
  far
• 8:13
  as
• 8:13
  the
• 8:14
  clientele
• 8:15
  goes
• 8:15
  of
• 8:15
  the
• 8:16
  trainers,
• 8:17
  that's
• 8:17
  the
• 8:17
  voice
• 8:18
  we
• 8:18
  have
• 8:18
  to
• 8:18
  satisfy.
• 8:19
  That's
• 8:20
  a
• 8:20
  much
• 8:20
  like
• 8:20
  I
• 8:21
  said,
• 8:21
  I'm
• 8:21
  a
• 8:21
  trainer
• 8:22
  to
• 8:22
  take
• 8:22
  30
• 8:23
  customers
• 8:23
  to
• 8:23
  a
• 8:23
  horse
• 8:24
  show,
• 8:24
  somebody
• 8:24
  else
• 8:24
  may
• 8:25
  take
• 8:25
  five
• 8:25
  customers
• 8:26
  for
• 8:26
  a
• 8:26
  horse
• 8:26
  show.
• 8:26
  So
• 8:26
  two
• 8:27
  of
• 8:27
  us
• 8:27
  now
• 8:27
  represent
• 8:27
  35
• 8:28
  people.
• 8:29
  I
• 8:29
  think
• 8:29
  that's
• 8:29
  what
• 8:29
  we
• 8:29
  were
• 8:30
  getting.
• 8:30
  At
• 8:30
  and
• 8:31
  that's
• 8:31
  what
• 8:31
  we're
• 8:31
  trying
• 8:31
  to
• 8:31
  get
• 8:31
  to.
• 8:32
  Do
• 8:32
  you
• 8:32
  think
• 8:33
  that
• 8:33
  at
• 8:33
  some
• 8:33
  point,
• 8:34
  and
• 8:34
  like
• 8:34
  you
• 8:34
  were
• 8:34
  saying,
• 8:34
  this
• 8:35
  is
• 8:35
  just
• 8:36
  now
• 8:36
  sort
• 8:37
  of
• 8:37
  being
• 8:37
  built
• 8:38
  up,
• 8:38
  you
• 8:38
  know,
• 8:38
  you're
• 8:38
  getting
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  word
• 8:39
  out,
• 8:39
  do
• 8:39
  you
• 8:39
  think
• 8:40
  there
• 8:40
  will
• 8:40
  be
• 8:40
  an
• 8:40
  opportunity
• 8:41
  for
• 8:44
  clients
• 8:45
  or
• 8:45
  anonymous,
• 8:46
  like
• 8:46
  clients
• 8:47
  or
• 8:47
  students
• 8:47
  to
• 8:48
  anonymously
• 8:48
  sort
• 8:49
  of
• 8:49
  give
• 8:49
  you
• 8:49
  all
• 8:50
  feedback.
• 8:50
  And
• 8:50
  some
• 8:51
  of
• 8:51
  the
• 8:51
  things
• 8:51
  that
• 8:51
  maybe
• 8:52
  they're
• 8:52
  feeling
• 8:52
  like
• 8:52
  aren't
• 8:53
  being
• 8:53
  talked
• 8:53
  about
• 8:53
  but
• 8:53
  are
• 8:54
  maybe
• 8:54
  raise
• 8:55
  an
• 8:55
  issue
• 8:55
  for
• 8:56
  them.
• 8:56
  Well,
• 8:56
  we
• 8:56
  have
• 8:57
  two
• 8:57
  ways
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  joining.
• 8:58
  One
• 8:58
  is
• 8:59
  the
• 9:00
  professionals
• 9:01
  side
• 9:01
  of
• 9:01
  things
• 9:01
  and
• 9:02
  it's
• 9:02
  a
• 9:02
  horse
• 9:03
  professional.
• 9:03
  We're
• 9:04
  a
• 9:04
  little
• 9:04
  lenient
• 9:05
  in
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  horse
• 9:05
  professional
• 9:06
  side
• 9:06
  of
• 9:07
  things
• 9:07
  because
• 9:07
  we
• 9:07
  feel
• 9:07
  like
• 9:07
  there's
• 9:07
  a
• 9:08
  lot
• 9:08
  of
• 9:08
  people
• 9:08
  who
• 9:08
  are
• 9:08
  professionals
• 9:09
  and
• 9:09
  you
• 9:09
  don't
• 9:09
  have
• 9:09
  to
• 9:10
  be
• 9:10
  just
• 9:10
  a,
• 9:10
  A
• 9:10
  trainer.
• 9:11
  Right.
• 9:11
  And
• 9:12
  you
• 9:12
  also
• 9:12
  can
• 9:12
  join
• 9:13
  as
• 9:13
  a
• 9:14
  contributor
• 9:15
  or
• 9:15
  a
• 9:15
  friend
• 9:15
  of.
• 9:16
  Friend
• 9:17
  of
• 9:17
  is
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  wrong
• 9:17
  way
• 9:18
  to
• 9:18
  say
• 9:18
  it.
• 9:18
  But
• 9:18
  you,
• 9:19
  you.
• 9:19
  There's
• 9:19
  a
• 9:19
  second
• 9:20
  way
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  joining
• 9:21
  with
• 9:21
  that
• 9:23
  we're
• 9:23
  open
• 9:23
  to
• 9:23
  all
• 9:24
  feedback.
• 9:24
  Great.
• 9:25
  That's.
• 9:25
  I
• 9:25
  mean,
• 9:26
  so
• 9:26
  the
• 9:26
  only
• 9:26
  thing
• 9:27
  that
• 9:27
  would
• 9:27
  limit
• 9:27
  you
• 9:27
  on
• 9:28
  the
• 9:28
  second
• 9:28
  way
• 9:28
  of
• 9:28
  joining
• 9:29
  is
• 9:29
  voting.
• 9:30
  We
• 9:31
  like
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  voting
• 9:31
  to
• 9:32
  be
• 9:32
  done
• 9:32
  by
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  horse
• 9:33
  professionals.
• 9:33
  Right.
• 9:34
  Makes
• 9:34
  sense.
• 9:34
  And.
• 9:34
  But
• 9:35
  we
• 9:35
  want
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  feedback
• 9:36
  of
• 9:36
  amateurs.
• 9:37
  We
• 9:37
  want
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  feedback
• 9:38
  of
• 9:39
  even
• 9:39
  juniors.
• 9:40
  You
• 9:40
  know,
• 9:40
  everybody's
• 9:41
  got
• 9:41
  feedback
• 9:41
  that's
• 9:42
  different.
• 9:42
  And
• 9:43
  so
• 9:43
  that's
• 9:43
  what
• 9:43
  we're
• 9:44
  looking
• 9:44
  for,
• 9:44
  is
• 9:44
  feedback.
• 9:45
  So
• 9:45
  we
• 9:45
  can
• 9:45
  take
• 9:46
  that
• 9:47
  to
• 9:47
  our
• 9:47
  advisory
• 9:48
  groups.
• 9:49
  We
• 9:49
  have
• 9:49
  an
• 9:49
  advisory
• 9:50
  group
• 9:50
  of
• 9:50
  16
• 9:51
  people
• 9:52
  underneath
• 9:52
  the
• 9:53
  board
• 9:53
  and
• 9:54
  then
• 9:54
  they
• 9:55
  take
• 9:55
  those
• 9:55
  groups
• 9:55
  and
• 9:56
  split
• 9:56
  off
• 9:56
  into
• 9:57
  sections
• 9:57
  of
• 9:58
  working
• 9:59
  on
• 9:59
  different
• 10:00
  subjects
• 10:00
  and
• 10:01
  then
• 10:01
  they
• 10:01
  drop
• 10:02
  down
• 10:02
  to
• 10:03
  draw
• 10:03
  more
• 10:03
  people
• 10:03
  in
• 10:04
  to
• 10:04
  get
• 10:04
  their
• 10:04
  opinions
• 10:05
  on
• 10:05
  those
• 10:05
  subjects.
• 10:06
  So
• 10:07
  it's
• 10:07
  a
• 10:07
  trickle
• 10:07
  down
• 10:08
  effect.
• 10:08
  Yeah.
• 10:09
  And
• 10:09
  there
• 10:09
  is
• 10:09
  no
• 10:10
  hierarchy.
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  think
• 10:12
  it's
• 10:12
  a
• 10:12
  great
• 10:12
  way
• 10:12
  for
• 10:13
  people
• 10:14
  who,
• 10:15
  I
• 10:15
  think,
• 10:16
  or
• 10:16
  you
• 10:16
  know,
• 10:17
  amateurs,
• 10:17
  maybe
• 10:17
  even
• 10:18
  juniors
• 10:18
  and
• 10:18
  owners
• 10:19
  where
• 10:19
  who
• 10:19
  have
• 10:19
  maybe
• 10:20
  found
• 10:20
  themselves
• 10:20
  in
• 10:20
  the
• 10:20
  same
• 10:20
  situation
• 10:21
  that
• 10:21
  you
• 10:21
  all
• 10:22
  did
• 10:22
  in
• 10:22
  October,
• 10:22
  which
• 10:22
  is
• 10:23
  sitting
• 10:23
  around
• 10:23
  bitching
• 10:24
  and
• 10:24
  complaining
• 10:25
  and
• 10:25
  wondering
• 10:26
  what
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  hell
• 10:26
  are
• 10:26
  we
• 10:26
  going
• 10:27
  to
• 10:27
  do
• 10:27
  about
• 10:27
  this?
• 10:27
  Well,
• 10:28
  and
• 10:28
  feeling
• 10:28
  like
• 10:29
  they
• 10:30
  can't
• 10:30
  get
• 10:30
  anything
• 10:31
  done.
• 10:31
  That's
• 10:32
  the
• 10:32
  thing.
• 10:33
  I
• 10:33
  would
• 10:33
  hate
• 10:33
  to
• 10:33
  see
• 10:34
  so
• 10:34
  many
• 10:34
  splits
• 10:35
  happen.
• 10:35
  But
• 10:35
  I
• 10:36
  do
• 10:36
  think
• 10:36
  that
• 10:36
  there
• 10:36
  are
• 10:37
  a
• 10:37
  lot
• 10:37
  of
• 10:37
  things,
• 10:37
  amateurs,
• 10:38
  riders
• 10:39
  who
• 10:39
  really
• 10:40
  have
• 10:40
  thoughts
• 10:41
  and
• 10:41
  opinions,
• 10:41
  but
• 10:42
  maybe
• 10:42
  they're
• 10:43
  different
• 10:43
  from
• 10:43
  their
• 10:44
  trainer
• 10:44
  or
• 10:44
  maybe
• 10:45
  their
• 10:45
  trainer
• 10:45
  is
• 10:45
  not
• 10:46
  hearing
• 10:46
  them
• 10:46
  the
• 10:46
  same
• 10:46
  way.
• 10:47
  Right.
• 10:47
  But
• 10:48
  there
• 10:48
  are
• 10:48
  things
• 10:48
  that.
• 10:49
  Well,
• 10:49
  we
• 10:50
  have
• 10:50
  a.
• 10:50
  Like
• 10:51
  we
• 10:52
  want
• 10:53
  feedback.
• 10:54
  It's
• 10:55
  not,
• 10:55
  we're
• 10:55
  not
• 10:55
  alienating
• 10:56
  any
• 10:56
  groups
• 10:56
  that
• 10:57
  are
• 10:57
  in
• 10:57
  our
• 10:57
  business.
• 10:58
  We
• 10:58
  want
• 10:58
  the
• 10:58
  feedback
• 10:59
  because
• 11:00
  again,
• 11:00
  we
• 11:01
  disagree.
• 11:01
  I
• 11:01
  can
• 11:01
  sit
• 11:01
  here
• 11:02
  with
• 11:02
  trainers
• 11:02
  at
• 11:02
  the
• 11:02
  gate
• 11:03
  and
• 11:03
  say,
• 11:03
  isn't
• 11:04
  this
• 11:04
  a
• 11:04
  great
• 11:04
  idea?
• 11:04
  And
• 11:04
  they're
• 11:05
  lost
• 11:05
  your
• 11:06
  mind.
• 11:06
  And
• 11:07
  I'm
• 11:07
  like,
• 11:08
  well,
• 11:08
  no,
• 11:08
  no,
• 11:08
  it's
• 11:08
  a
• 11:08
  great
• 11:08
  idea.
• 11:09
  No,
• 11:09
  it's
• 11:09
  an
• 11:09
  awful
• 11:10
  idea.
• 11:10
  Well,
• 11:11
  they
• 11:11
  explained
• 11:12
  to
• 11:12
  me
• 11:12
  why
• 11:12
  it's
• 11:12
  an
• 11:12
  awful
• 11:13
  idea.
• 11:13
  And
• 11:13
  I'm
• 11:13
  like,
• 11:13
  yeah.
• 11:13
  God,
• 11:14
  it
• 11:14
  is
• 11:14
  an
• 11:14
  awful
• 11:14
  idea.
• 11:15
  Well,
• 11:15
  we
• 11:16
  want
• 11:16
  the
• 11:16
  same
• 11:16
  feedback
• 11:17
  because
• 11:17
  we're
• 11:17
  not
• 11:17
  in
• 11:18
  this.
• 11:18
  We're
• 11:18
  not
• 11:18
  in
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  shoes
• 11:19
  of
• 11:19
  an
• 11:19
  amateur
• 11:20
  and
• 11:20
  we're
• 11:20
  not
• 11:20
  in
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  shoes
• 11:21
  of
• 11:21
  a
• 11:21
  junior.
• 11:22
  And
• 11:22
  so
• 11:22
  they
• 11:23
  see
• 11:23
  things
• 11:24
  from
• 11:24
  their,
• 11:24
  their
• 11:25
  eyes,
• 11:25
  which
• 11:26
  is
• 11:26
  a
• 11:26
  different
• 11:26
  view.
• 11:27
  Well,
• 11:28
  if
• 11:28
  we're
• 11:28
  going
• 11:28
  to
• 11:28
  be
• 11:29
  successful
• 11:29
  in
• 11:29
  this
• 11:29
  business
• 11:30
  and
• 11:30
  make
• 11:30
  it
• 11:30
  better,
• 11:31
  we
• 11:32
  might
• 11:32
  need
• 11:32
  to
• 11:32
  start
• 11:33
  seeing
• 11:33
  it
• 11:33
  from
• 11:33
  a
• 11:33
  different
• 11:34
  view
• 11:35
  because
• 11:35
  the
• 11:36
  business
• 11:36
  is
• 11:36
  changing
• 11:37
  and
• 11:37
  we
• 11:37
  have
• 11:37
  to
• 11:37
  change
• 11:38
  with
• 11:38
  it.
• 11:39
  And
• 11:40
  I
• 11:40
  think
• 11:40
  it's
• 11:40
  important
• 11:41
  for
• 11:41
  again,
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  feedback
• 11:42
  to
• 11:43
  come
• 11:43
  in
• 11:43
  and
• 11:44
  it's
• 11:44
  all
• 11:44
  looked
• 11:44
  at.
• 11:45
  We
• 11:46
  read
• 11:46
  the
• 11:46
  emails
• 11:48
  again.
• 11:48
  It's
• 11:49
  a
• 11:49
  volunteer
• 11:49
  organization
• 11:50
  of
• 11:50
  professional
• 11:51
  horsemen.
• 11:52
  So
• 11:52
  we
• 11:52
  don't
• 11:52
  have
• 11:52
  all
• 11:53
  day
• 11:53
  to
• 11:54
  work
• 11:54
  on
• 11:54
  things.
• 11:54
  We
• 11:55
  do
• 11:55
  it.
• 11:56
  We
• 11:56
  meet
• 11:57
  once
• 11:57
  every
• 11:57
  other
• 11:57
  week,
• 11:58
  we
• 11:58
  talk
• 11:58
  about
• 11:58
  it,
• 11:59
  we
• 11:59
  get
• 11:59
  things
• 11:59
  together,
• 11:59
  we
• 12:00
  get
• 12:00
  ideas.
• 12:00
  We're
• 12:01
  not
• 12:02
  all
• 12:02
  volunteer.
• 12:03
  We
• 12:03
  make
• 12:03
  no
• 12:03
  money.
• 12:04
  Right.
• 12:04
  We're
• 12:04
  not
• 12:04
  trying
• 12:04
  to
• 12:05
  make
• 12:05
  money.
• 12:06
  And
• 12:06
  everybody,
• 12:07
  the
• 12:07
  lawyers
• 12:08
  who
• 12:08
  work
• 12:08
  with
• 12:08
  us
• 12:09
  and
• 12:10
  everybody's
• 12:10
  on
• 12:11
  a
• 12:11
  volunteer
• 12:11
  basis.
• 12:12
  So,
• 12:13
  you
• 12:13
  know,
• 12:13
  we
• 12:13
  takes
• 12:14
  us
• 12:14
  a
• 12:14
  little
• 12:14
  time
• 12:15
  to
• 12:15
  get
• 12:15
  things
• 12:15
  going
• 12:16
  but
• 12:16
  everybody
• 12:17
  is
• 12:17
  so
• 12:17
  driven
• 12:18
  to
• 12:18
  get
• 12:18
  it
• 12:18
  done.
• 12:19
  I
• 12:19
  really
• 12:20
  think
• 12:20
  it's
• 12:20
  going
• 12:21
  to
• 12:21
  have
• 12:21
  a
• 12:21
  voice,
• 12:21
  which
• 12:22
  is
• 12:22
  great.
• 12:22
  Yeah,
• 12:23
  I
• 12:23
  think
• 12:23
  it
• 12:23
  can
• 12:23
  be
• 12:23
  fantastic.
• 12:24
  Yeah.
• 12:24
  And
• 12:25
  we
• 12:25
  hope
• 12:25
  it's
• 12:25
  heard
• 12:26
  and
• 12:26
  if
• 12:26
  it's
• 12:26
  not
• 12:26
  heard,
• 12:27
  we'll
• 12:27
  just
• 12:27
  speak
• 12:27
  louder
• 12:28
  until
• 12:29
  we
• 12:29
  are
• 12:29
  heard.
• 12:30
  Good.
• 12:30
  So
• 12:31
  that's
• 12:31
  the
• 12:31
  preface.
• 12:32
  So
• 12:32
  this
• 12:32
  is
• 12:32
  a
• 12:32
  little
• 12:33
  bit
• 12:33
  of
• 12:33
  an
• 12:33
  opinion
• 12:34
  question.
• 12:35
  You
• 12:35
  know,
• 12:35
  I
• 12:35
  think
• 12:35
  a
• 12:35
  lot
• 12:35
  of
• 12:36
  riders
• 12:36
  or
• 12:36
  at
• 12:36
  least
• 12:37
  some
• 12:37
  amateurs
• 12:38
  and
• 12:38
  stuff,
• 12:39
  I
• 12:39
  think
• 12:39
  a
• 12:39
  lot
• 12:39
  of
• 12:39
  people,
• 12:40
  even
• 12:40
  trainers
• 12:40
  included
• 12:41
  are
• 12:41
  feeling
• 12:41
  the,
• 12:41
  you
• 12:42
  know,
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  rising
• 12:42
  cost
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  sport
• 12:43
  and
• 12:44
  it
• 12:44
  feeling
• 12:44
  less
• 12:45
  and
• 12:45
  less
• 12:45
  attainable.
• 12:45
  Even
• 12:46
  from
• 12:46
  a
• 12:47
  hobby
• 12:47
  point
• 12:47
  of
• 12:48
  view,
• 12:48
  even
• 12:48
  if
• 12:48
  you're
• 12:48
  not
• 12:49
  trying
• 12:49
  to
• 12:49
  make
• 12:49
  indoors
• 12:50
  or.
• 12:50
  Yeah,
• 12:51
  Devin,
• 12:51
  or
• 12:51
  any
• 12:51
  of
• 12:52
  that.
• 12:52
  Do
• 12:52
  you
• 12:52
  think
• 12:53
  that
• 12:53
  that
• 12:53
  will
• 12:53
  become
• 12:53
  part
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  this
• 12:54
  conversation
• 12:54
  that
• 12:55
  will
• 12:55
  get
• 12:55
  brought
• 12:55
  up
• 12:55
  to
• 12:55
  some
• 12:55
  of
• 12:55
  our
• 12:56
  organizations.
• 12:57
  And
• 12:57
  we
• 12:57
  even
• 12:57
  have
• 12:57
  a
• 12:59
  Deluise
• 13:01
  Strong.
• 13:02
  She
• 13:02
  is
• 13:02
  in
• 13:03
  charge
• 13:03
  of
• 13:03
  a
• 13:03
  subgroup
• 13:04
  that
• 13:04
  deals
• 13:05
  with
• 13:06
  local
• 13:07
  and
• 13:09
  BC
• 13:09
  rated
• 13:10
  horseshoes.
• 13:11
  Okay.
• 13:11
  That
• 13:11
  just
• 13:11
  talking
• 13:12
  about
• 13:12
  lower
• 13:12
  cost.
• 13:13
  But
• 13:13
  we're
• 13:14
  also.
• 13:14
  If
• 13:14
  you've
• 13:14
  gone
• 13:15
  on
• 13:15
  the
• 13:15
  website
• 13:15
  and
• 13:16
  you
• 13:16
  looked
• 13:16
  at
• 13:16
  any
• 13:16
  of
• 13:17
  the
• 13:17
  Facebook
• 13:17
  posts,
• 13:17
  which
• 13:18
  I'm
• 13:18
  not
• 13:18
  in
• 13:19
  computer
• 13:19
  person
• 13:19
  but
• 13:19
  I
• 13:20
  do
• 13:20
  try
• 13:20
  to
• 13:20
  follow
• 13:20
  them.
• 13:21
  Just
• 13:21
  TikTok
• 13:21
  famous.
• 13:22
  Just
• 13:22
  TikTok
• 13:23
  famous.
• 13:23
  Right.
• 13:23
  But
• 13:26
  we
• 13:26
  like
• 13:26
  there's
• 13:27
  a
• 13:27
  couple
• 13:27
  of
• 13:27
  the
• 13:27
  bigger
• 13:27
  horse
• 13:28
  shows
• 13:29
  or,
• 13:29
  or
• 13:29
  hits.
• 13:30
  I
• 13:30
  know
• 13:30
  hits.
• 13:30
  And
• 13:31
  there's
• 13:31
  a
• 13:31
  couple
• 13:31
  other
• 13:32
  organizations
• 13:33
  that
• 13:33
  have
• 13:34
  offered
• 13:34
  free
• 13:36
  young
• 13:36
  hunter
• 13:37
  divisions.
• 13:37
  Yes.
• 13:38
  And
• 13:38
  things
• 13:38
  like
• 13:38
  that.
• 13:39
  So
• 13:39
  we've
• 13:39
  made
• 13:40
  a
• 13:40
  point
• 13:40
  of
• 13:41
  putting
• 13:41
  out
• 13:41
  there.
• 13:42
  Hey
• 13:42
  guys,
• 13:42
  thank
• 13:43
  you
• 13:43
  for
• 13:43
  doing
• 13:43
  that.
• 13:44
  Now
• 13:44
  it's
• 13:44
  still
• 13:44
  expensive
• 13:45
  to
• 13:45
  show.
• 13:45
  But
• 13:46
  at
• 13:46
  least
• 13:46
  those
• 13:46
  guys
• 13:47
  are
• 13:47
  trying,
• 13:48
  issuing
• 13:48
  an
• 13:49
  olive
• 13:49
  branch
• 13:49
  to
• 13:50
  say,
• 13:50
  hey,
• 13:51
  we're
• 13:51
  trying
• 13:51
  to
• 13:51
  do
• 13:52
  something.
• 13:52
  And
• 13:53
  I
• 13:53
  think
• 13:54
  even,
• 13:55
  you
• 13:55
  know,
• 13:55
  our
• 13:55
  winter
• 13:56
  shows,
• 13:57
  as
• 13:57
  we
• 13:57
  know
• 13:57
  in
• 13:58
  Virginia
• 13:58
  are
• 13:59
  dying.
• 14:00
  A
• 14:00
  lot
• 14:00
  of
• 14:00
  single
• 14:00
  A
• 14:01
  horse
• 14:01
  shows
• 14:01
  are
• 14:01
  dying.
• 14:02
  One
• 14:03
  of
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  ideas
• 14:03
  that
• 14:04
  we
• 14:04
  have
• 14:04
  is
• 14:04
  going
• 14:05
  to
• 14:05
  Youssef
• 14:05
  and
• 14:06
  this
• 14:06
  has
• 14:06
  been
• 14:06
  discussed
• 14:06
  with
• 14:07
  them
• 14:07
  is
• 14:08
  going
• 14:08
  to
• 14:08
  Youssef
• 14:09
  and
• 14:09
  saying
• 14:09
  maybe
• 14:10
  those
• 14:10
  shows
• 14:10
  could
• 14:11
  operate
• 14:11
  under
• 14:11
  a
• 14:11
  different
• 14:12
  prize
• 14:12
  money
• 14:13
  and
• 14:14
  maybe
• 14:14
  a
• 14:14
  different
• 14:14
  cost
• 14:15
  to
• 14:15
  Yousef
• 14:17
  or
• 14:17
  Ushja
• 14:18
  to
• 14:19
  run
• 14:19
  those
• 14:19
  shows.
• 14:20
  Meaning
• 14:20
  the
• 14:20
  fees
• 14:21
  would
• 14:21
  be
• 14:21
  less.
• 14:22
  Right.
• 14:22
  And
• 14:23
  it's
• 14:23
  like
• 14:24
  I've
• 14:24
  asked
• 14:24
  those,
• 14:25
  I've
• 14:25
  asked
• 14:25
  those
• 14:25
  horse
• 14:26
  shows
• 14:26
  to
• 14:26
  get
• 14:26
  together.
• 14:27
  I
• 14:27
  said
• 14:27
  as
• 14:27
  a
• 14:28
  one
• 14:28
  single
• 14:28
  horse
• 14:29
  show,
• 14:29
  you
• 14:29
  don't
• 14:29
  mean
• 14:29
  a
• 14:30
  lot.
• 14:30
  But
• 14:30
  as
• 14:31
  30
• 14:32
  single
• 14:32
  a
• 14:32
  horse
• 14:33
  shows
• 14:33
  in
• 14:33
  the
• 14:33
  wintertime
• 14:34
  at
• 14:34
  different
• 14:35
  venues
• 14:35
  around
• 14:36
  the
• 14:36
  east
• 14:36
  coast,
• 14:37
  you
• 14:37
  mean
• 14:37
  a
• 14:38
  whole
• 14:38
  lot.
• 14:39
  Because
• 14:39
  presumably
• 14:40
  you
• 14:41
  as
• 14:41
  a
• 14:41
  licensee,
• 14:42
  like
• 14:43
  the
• 14:43
  horse
• 14:43
  center
• 14:44
  of
• 14:44
  these
• 14:44
  horses,
• 14:45
  you
• 14:45
  pay
• 14:46
  a
• 14:46
  fee
• 14:46
  to
• 14:47
  use
• 14:47
  that.
• 14:47
  You
• 14:47
  pay
• 14:47
  a
• 14:48
  fee
• 14:48
  and
• 14:48
  then
• 14:48
  you
• 14:48
  pay
• 14:48
  all
• 14:49
  of
• 14:49
  your
• 14:49
  fees,
• 14:49
  the
• 14:50
  other
• 14:50
  fees
• 14:50
  on
• 14:50
  your
• 14:51
  entry
• 14:51
  blanks
• 14:51
  and
• 14:52
  stuff
• 14:52
  like
• 14:52
  that.
• 14:52
  It's
• 14:52
  a
• 14:53
  driving
• 14:53
  force,
• 14:53
  right.
• 14:53
  Like
• 14:54
  they
• 14:54
  have
• 14:55
  to
• 14:55
  be
• 14:55
  able
• 14:55
  to
• 14:55
  make
• 14:55
  the
• 14:56
  money
• 14:56
  to
• 14:56
  have
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  horse
• 14:57
  show
• 14:57
  and
• 14:57
  then
• 14:59
  they're
• 14:59
  trying
• 14:59
  to
• 14:59
  drive
• 14:59
  to
• 15:00
  make
• 15:00
  the
• 15:00
  money
• 15:00
  from
• 15:00
  the
• 15:00
  horse
• 15:01
  show
• 15:01
  to
• 15:01
  pay
• 15:01
  the.
• 15:01
  You
• 15:01
  know,
• 15:02
  it's
• 15:02
  like
• 15:02
  a.
• 15:02
  Well,
• 15:03
  I'll
• 15:03
  give
• 15:04
  you
• 15:04
  a
• 15:04
  simple
• 15:04
  example.
• 15:05
  Like
• 15:05
  I
• 15:05
  go
• 15:05
  to
• 15:05
  a
• 15:05
  lot
• 15:05
  of
• 15:06
  winter
• 15:06
  shows
• 15:06
  in
• 15:06
  Raleigh
• 15:07
  and
• 15:07
  Lexington,
• 15:07
  Virginia.
• 15:08
  Sometimes
• 15:09
  we
• 15:09
  have
• 15:09
  a
• 15:09
  junior
• 15:10
  hunter
• 15:10
  division
• 15:10
  that
• 15:11
  has
• 15:11
  four
• 15:11
  people
• 15:11
  in
• 15:12
  it.
• 15:12
  Right.
• 15:12
  The
• 15:13
  entry
• 15:13
  fee
• 15:13
  for
• 15:14
  that
• 15:14
  division,
• 15:15
  and
• 15:15
  I'm
• 15:15
  not
• 15:16
  completely
• 15:16
  accurate
• 15:17
  with
• 15:17
  this,
• 15:17
  but
• 15:17
  let's
• 15:18
  say
• 15:18
  the
• 15:18
  entry
• 15:18
  fee
• 15:18
  for
• 15:18
  that
• 15:18
  division
• 15:19
  is
• 15:19
  $2.
• 15:20
  Yeah.
• 15:21
  Okay,
• 15:21
  they,
• 15:22
  that's
• 15:22
  $800.
• 15:24
  They
• 15:24
  give
• 15:24
  away
• 15:25
  $1,000.
• 15:26
  Right.
• 15:27
  They've
• 15:27
  lost
• 15:27
  200.
• 15:28
  They
• 15:28
  haven't
• 15:29
  lost
• 15:29
  $200,
• 15:29
  but
• 15:29
  they've
• 15:30
  at
• 15:30
  least
• 15:31
  lost
• 15:31
  some.
• 15:32
  Well,
• 15:33
  would
• 15:33
  it
• 15:33
  be
• 15:33
  better
• 15:34
  to
• 15:34
  charge
• 15:34
  $100
• 15:35
  for
• 15:35
  that
• 15:36
  entry
• 15:36
  fee?
• 15:37
  Be
• 15:37
  able
• 15:37
  to
• 15:37
  cut
• 15:38
  the
• 15:38
  prize
• 15:38
  money
• 15:38
  down
• 15:39
  to
• 15:39
  nothing.
• 15:41
  And
• 15:41
  now
• 15:41
  these
• 15:42
  just
• 15:42
  ideas.
• 15:42
  Sure.
• 15:43
  But
• 15:43
  then
• 15:43
  all
• 15:43
  of
• 15:43
  a
• 15:44
  sudden
• 15:44
  you're
• 15:44
  going
• 15:44
  to
• 15:44
  a
• 15:44
  horse
• 15:45
  show
• 15:45
  showing
• 15:45
  at
• 15:45
  five
• 15:45
  classes
• 15:46
  for
• 15:46
  $20
• 15:47
  a
• 15:47
  class.
• 15:47
  Right.
• 15:48
  Which
• 15:48
  is
• 15:49
  what
• 15:49
  you
• 15:49
  would
• 15:49
  see
• 15:50
  at
• 15:50
  a
• 15:50
  BC
• 15:51
  show.
• 15:51
  Right.
• 15:51
  And,
• 15:52
  and
• 15:52
  you're
• 15:52
  still
• 15:52
  at
• 15:53
  an
• 15:53
  A
• 15:53
  show,
• 15:53
  you're
• 15:54
  still
• 15:54
  competing
• 15:54
  against
• 15:55
  A
• 15:55
  level
• 15:55
  horses,
• 15:56
  but
• 15:56
  you're
• 15:57
  making
• 15:57
  it
• 15:57
  more
• 15:57
  affordable
• 15:58
  for
• 15:58
  the
• 15:58
  whole
• 15:59
  entire
• 15:59
  group.
• 15:59
  But
• 15:59
  also
• 16:00
  that
• 16:00
  horse
• 16:00
  show
• 16:01
  just
• 16:01
  made
• 16:01
  $400
• 16:02
  versus
• 16:03
  breaking
• 16:04
  even.
• 16:04
  Yeah.
• 16:05
  So.
• 16:05
  Right.
• 16:05
  Well,
• 16:05
  is
• 16:06
  that
• 16:06
  a
• 16:06
  good
• 16:06
  idea?
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  don't
• 16:07
  know,
• 16:07
  but
• 16:07
  it's
• 16:07
  an
• 16:07
  ideal.
• 16:08
  Well,
• 16:08
  it's,
• 16:08
  it's
• 16:09
  funny
• 16:09
  that
• 16:09
  you
• 16:09
  say.
• 16:09
  That
• 16:10
  because
• 16:10
  part
• 16:10
  of
• 16:10
  the
• 16:10
  conversation
• 16:11
  because.
• 16:12
  Often
• 16:12
  in
• 16:12
  these
• 16:12
  divisions,
• 16:14
  when
• 16:14
  you
• 16:14
  win
• 16:15
  Money,
• 16:15
  if
• 16:16
  you're
• 16:16
  third,
• 16:16
  fourth,
• 16:17
  fifth
• 16:17
  place,
• 16:17
  you
• 16:17
  get
• 16:17
  $8.
• 16:18
  I
• 16:18
  mean,
• 16:19
  that's
• 16:19
  not
• 16:20
  really
• 16:20
  affecting
• 16:21
  or.
• 16:21
  Offsetting
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  cost
• 16:22
  of
• 16:23
  the
• 16:23
  amateur
• 16:24
  and
• 16:24
  the.
• 16:24
  So
• 16:25
  to,
• 16:25
  to
• 16:25
  say
• 16:25
  to
• 16:25
  take
• 16:26
  away
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  money.
• 16:26
  Yeah,
• 16:27
  I
• 16:27
  mean,
• 16:27
  well,
• 16:28
  it
• 16:28
  brings
• 16:28
  you
• 16:28
  down.
• 16:29
  I
• 16:29
  hate
• 16:29
  to
• 16:29
  say
• 16:29
  local
• 16:30
  show,
• 16:30
  a
• 16:30
  show
• 16:30
  level,
• 16:31
  because
• 16:31
  that's
• 16:31
  not
• 16:31
  what
• 16:31
  we're
• 16:32
  talking
• 16:32
  about.
• 16:32
  You're
• 16:32
  talking
• 16:32
  about
• 16:32
  the
• 16:33
  competition
• 16:33
  is
• 16:33
  still
• 16:34
  a
• 16:34
  high
• 16:34
  level,
• 16:35
  but
• 16:36
  you're
• 16:36
  making
• 16:36
  it
• 16:36
  more
• 16:37
  affordable
• 16:38
  for
• 16:38
  you
• 16:38
  to
• 16:38
  go
• 16:39
  winter
• 16:39
  time,
• 16:40
  different
• 16:40
  venue,
• 16:42
  and
• 16:43
  say,
• 16:43
  okay,
• 16:43
  I
• 16:43
  know
• 16:44
  my
• 16:44
  entry
• 16:44
  fee
• 16:44
  is
• 16:44
  going
• 16:45
  to
• 16:45
  be
• 16:45
  a
• 16:45
  hundred
• 16:45
  bucks.
• 16:46
  Well,
• 16:46
  you
• 16:46
  go
• 16:46
  to
• 16:46
  a
• 16:46
  local
• 16:47
  show
• 16:47
  and
• 16:47
  probably
• 16:48
  would
• 16:48
  pay
• 16:48
  that
• 16:49
  to
• 16:49
  do
• 16:49
  five
• 16:50
  classes.
• 16:50
  I
• 16:50
  haven't
• 16:50
  been.
• 16:51
  That's
• 16:51
  what
• 16:51
  I'm
• 16:51
  saying.
• 16:52
  You
• 16:52
  would.
• 16:52
  Right.
• 16:52
  So,
• 16:53
  you
• 16:53
  know,
• 16:53
  again,
• 16:54
  it
• 16:54
  makes
• 16:54
  it
• 16:55
  more
• 16:55
  affordable
• 16:56
  for
• 16:56
  the,
• 16:58
  you
• 16:58
  know,
• 16:58
  for
• 16:58
  the
• 16:58
  whole.
• 16:59
  The
• 16:59
  person
• 16:59
  who
• 16:59
  wins.
• 17:00
  Okay,
• 17:00
  that's
• 17:00
  not
• 17:00
  as
• 17:01
  good
• 17:01
  a
• 17:01
  deal.
• 17:02
  But
• 17:02
  for
• 17:02
  the
• 17:03
  other
• 17:03
  three
• 17:03
  or
• 17:03
  four
• 17:04
  that
• 17:04
  are
• 17:04
  in
• 17:04
  the
• 17:04
  class,
• 17:05
  it
• 17:05
  brings
• 17:05
  them
• 17:05
  up.
• 17:06
  And
• 17:06
  the
• 17:06
  person
• 17:06
  that
• 17:06
  wins
• 17:07
  probably,
• 17:07
  hey,
• 17:08
  we
• 17:08
  need
• 17:08
  those
• 17:08
  other
• 17:08
  three
• 17:09
  or
• 17:09
  four
• 17:09
  or
• 17:09
  this
• 17:09
  wouldn't
• 17:10
  even
• 17:10
  happen
• 17:11
  because
• 17:11
  you're.
• 17:11
  Still
• 17:11
  getting
• 17:12
  the
• 17:12
  points
• 17:13
  to
• 17:13
  the
• 17:13
  new
• 17:13
  venue.
• 17:14
  And
• 17:14
  I
• 17:15
  think,
• 17:15
  like,
• 17:16
  what's
• 17:17
  good
• 17:17
  for.
• 17:17
  The
• 17:17
  group
• 17:18
  is
• 17:18
  good
• 17:18
  for
• 17:19
  everybody.
• 17:20
  Everybody.
• 17:20
  And
• 17:21
  so,
• 17:21
  like,
• 17:21
  you
• 17:21
  don't.
• 17:21
  I
• 17:22
  don't
• 17:22
  think
• 17:22
  you
• 17:22
  get
• 17:22
  to
• 17:22
  complain
• 17:23
  and
• 17:23
  then
• 17:23
  pick
• 17:23
  and
• 17:24
  choose.
• 17:24
  Right.
• 17:25
  You
• 17:25
  know,
• 17:26
  the
• 17:26
  things.
• 17:26
  Oh,
• 17:26
  well,
• 17:27
  since
• 17:27
  I
• 17:27
  was
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  winner,
• 17:28
  I,
• 17:28
  I
• 17:28
  should
• 17:28
  have
• 17:29
  had
• 17:29
  prize
• 17:29
  money
• 17:29
  today.
• 17:29
  And
• 17:30
  I
• 17:30
  don't
• 17:30
  think
• 17:30
  they
• 17:30
  would
• 17:30
  because
• 17:31
  I
• 17:31
  think,
• 17:31
  I
• 17:31
  think
• 17:31
  the
• 17:32
  people
• 17:32
  that
• 17:32
  come
• 17:32
  to
• 17:32
  those
• 17:33
  horse
• 17:33
  shows
• 17:34
  also,
• 17:35
  it
• 17:35
  trickles
• 17:35
  down
• 17:36
  to.
• 17:36
  The
• 17:36
  kids
• 17:36
  are
• 17:36
  in
• 17:37
  school.
• 17:37
  Yeah.
• 17:38
  People
• 17:39
  can't
• 17:39
  afford
• 17:39
  to
• 17:40
  go
• 17:40
  certain
• 17:40
  places
• 17:41
  and
• 17:41
  live
• 17:41
  on
• 17:41
  the
• 17:42
  road,
• 17:42
  so
• 17:42
  they
• 17:42
  have
• 17:43
  to
• 17:43
  go
• 17:43
  on
• 17:43
  a
• 17:43
  weekend
• 17:44
  and
• 17:44
  show.
• 17:44
  So
• 17:44
  I
• 17:45
  think
• 17:45
  it
• 17:45
  all
• 17:46
  helps
• 17:46
  each
• 17:47
  other.
• 17:47
  Again,
• 17:47
  I'm
• 17:48
  not
• 17:48
  saying
• 17:48
  that's
• 17:48
  the
• 17:48
  answer,
• 17:49
  but
• 17:49
  I'm
• 17:49
  saying
• 17:49
  it's
• 17:49
  an
• 17:50
  idea.
• 17:50
  No,
• 17:50
  I
• 17:50
  think
• 17:50
  it's
• 17:51
  an
• 17:51
  idea.
• 17:51
  And
• 17:51
  then
• 17:51
  we,
• 17:51
  we've
• 17:52
  taken
• 17:52
  that
• 17:52
  idea
• 17:52
  and
• 17:53
  put
• 17:53
  it
• 17:54
  out
• 17:54
  there
• 17:54
  to
• 17:54
  them.
• 17:54
  And
• 17:54
  now
• 17:55
  they
• 17:55
  have
• 17:55
  to.
• 17:56
  Either
• 17:57
  again,
• 17:58
  they
• 17:58
  look
• 17:58
  at
• 17:58
  it
• 17:58
  and
• 17:58
  say,
• 17:59
  chris,
• 17:59
  this
• 17:59
  was
• 17:59
  why
• 17:59
  it
• 18:00
  doesn't
• 18:00
  work,
• 18:00
  or
• 18:01
  hey,
• 18:01
  thanks
• 18:01
  a
• 18:01
  lot.
• 18:02
  Maybe
• 18:02
  that
• 18:02
  does
• 18:02
  make
• 18:03
  sense.
• 18:03
  Yeah.
• 18:04
  And
• 18:04
  maybe
• 18:04
  it
• 18:04
  helps,
• 18:05
  maybe
• 18:05
  it
• 18:05
  doesn't.
• 18:05
  Maybe
• 18:05
  people
• 18:06
  just
• 18:06
  get
• 18:06
  tired
• 18:06
  of
• 18:06
  being
• 18:06
  cold.
• 18:07
  I
• 18:07
  don't.
• 18:07
  But,
• 18:08
  you
• 18:08
  know,
• 18:08
  but
• 18:09
  maybe
• 18:09
  there
• 18:09
  are
• 18:09
  some
• 18:10
  of
• 18:10
  those.
• 18:10
  But
• 18:10
  then
• 18:10
  maybe
• 18:11
  they
• 18:11
  could
• 18:11
  afford
• 18:11
  heaters.
• 18:12
  Yes,
• 18:12
  maybe.
• 18:12
  Maybe
• 18:13
  it
• 18:13
  helps.
• 18:14
  Okay,
• 18:14
  so
• 18:14
  this
• 18:15
  is,
• 18:15
  this
• 18:15
  is
• 18:15
  an
• 18:15
  interesting
• 18:16
  one.
• 18:18
  How
• 18:18
  do
• 18:19
  you
• 18:19
  make
• 18:19
  sure
• 18:19
  that
• 18:20
  the
• 18:20
  US
• 18:20
  ETA
• 18:21
  doesn't
• 18:22
  become
• 18:22
  something
• 18:23
  that
• 18:23
  adds
• 18:24
  more
• 18:24
  structure
• 18:25
  or
• 18:25
  more
• 18:27
  governing,
• 18:28
  if
• 18:28
  you
• 18:28
  will,
• 18:29
  instead
• 18:30
  of
• 18:30
  more
• 18:30
  clarity.
• 18:31
  Because
• 18:32
  one
• 18:33
  thing
• 18:33
  is
• 18:33
  we.
• 18:34
  This
• 18:34
  is
• 18:34
  going
• 18:35
  to
• 18:35
  sound
• 18:35
  a
• 18:35
  little
• 18:35
  bit
• 18:35
  rogue,
• 18:36
  but
• 18:36
  that's
• 18:36
  okay.
• 18:38
  We
• 18:38
  are
• 18:39
  not
• 18:39
  joining
• 18:41
  YOUCEF
• 18:41
  as
• 18:41
  any
• 18:42
  affiliate
• 18:42
  and
• 18:43
  we
• 18:43
  are
• 18:43
  not
• 18:43
  joining
• 18:45
  USHJA
• 18:46
  as
• 18:46
  any
• 18:46
  affiliate
• 18:47
  because
• 18:47
  we
• 18:48
  want
• 18:48
  to
• 18:48
  be
• 18:48
  able.
• 18:49
  Not
• 18:49
  that
• 18:50
  any
• 18:50
  of
• 18:50
  this
• 18:50
  wrong.
• 18:51
  Nothing's
• 18:51
  wrong
• 18:51
  with
• 18:51
  doing
• 18:52
  that,
• 18:52
  but
• 18:52
  we
• 18:53
  want
• 18:53
  to
• 18:53
  be
• 18:53
  able
• 18:53
  to
• 18:54
  voice
• 18:54
  our
• 18:54
  opinion
• 18:56
  completely
• 18:56
  independent
• 18:57
  of
• 18:58
  any
• 18:59
  structure
• 18:59
  that
• 18:59
  we
• 19:00
  might
• 19:02
  have
• 19:02
  to
• 19:02
  fall
• 19:02
  under
• 19:03
  if
• 19:03
  we
• 19:03
  were
• 19:03
  a
• 19:04
  member
• 19:04
  of
• 19:04
  something
• 19:04
  else.
• 19:05
  Gotcha.
• 19:05
  So
• 19:06
  we
• 19:06
  want,
• 19:06
  We've.
• 19:07
  I
• 19:07
  mean,
• 19:07
  we've
• 19:08
  been
• 19:08
  asked
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  join,
• 19:09
  but
• 19:10
  that's
• 19:10
  not
• 19:10
  what
• 19:10
  we
• 19:11
  want
• 19:11
  to
• 19:11
  do
• 19:11
  because
• 19:11
  we
• 19:11
  want
• 19:11
  to
• 19:12
  speak
• 19:12
  freely.
• 19:13
  Independent.
• 19:14
  Yeah.
• 19:14
  Of.
• 19:14
  Of
• 19:15
  anything.
• 19:16
  And,
• 19:16
  and
• 19:17
  I
• 19:17
  think
• 19:17
  that's
• 19:17
  important
• 19:18
  for
• 19:18
  us,
• 19:18
  you
• 19:18
  know,
• 19:18
  as
• 19:18
  it's
• 19:19
  important
• 19:19
  that
• 19:20
  our
• 19:20
  opinions
• 19:21
  don't
• 19:21
  come
• 19:22
  with
• 19:22
  worrying
• 19:22
  about
• 19:23
  crossing
• 19:23
  a
• 19:24
  line
• 19:24
  or
• 19:24
  breaking
• 19:25
  a
• 19:25
  rule
• 19:25
  or
• 19:27
  anything
• 19:27
  like
• 19:27
  that.
• 19:29
  I
• 19:30
  think
• 19:30
  you
• 19:30
  sort
• 19:30
  of
• 19:30
  already
• 19:31
  touched
• 19:31
  on
• 19:31
  this.
• 19:32
  Wanted
• 19:32
  to
• 19:33
  just
• 19:34
  sort
• 19:34
  of
• 19:34
  ask
• 19:35
  like,
• 19:35
  you
• 19:35
  know,
• 19:35
  how
• 19:35
  do
• 19:35
  we
• 19:36
  make
• 19:36
  sure
• 19:36
  that
• 19:37
  riders,
• 19:38
  juniors,
• 19:38
  amateurs,
• 19:39
  owners
• 19:39
  feel
• 19:39
  like
• 19:39
  this
• 19:40
  is
• 19:40
  something
• 19:40
  that's
• 19:40
  going
• 19:41
  to
• 19:42
  benefit
• 19:42
  them
• 19:42
  and
• 19:43
  help
• 19:43
  them.
• 19:43
  And
• 19:43
  I
• 19:43
  think,
• 19:43
  I
• 19:44
  think
• 19:44
  you
• 19:44
  already
• 19:44
  talked
• 19:44
  about
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  is,
• 19:45
  you
• 19:46
  know,
• 19:46
  ways
• 19:46
  to
• 19:46
  join
• 19:46
  and
• 19:47
  have
• 19:47
  their
• 19:47
  opinions
• 19:47
  be
• 19:47
  heard
• 19:49
  that
• 19:49
  way.
• 19:50
  And
• 19:51
  I
• 19:51
  think
• 19:52
  that,
• 19:52
  that,
• 19:52
  that
• 19:52
  this
• 19:52
  is
• 19:53
  going
• 19:53
  to
• 19:53
  be
• 19:53
  really
• 19:53
  great.
• 19:53
  And
• 19:54
  in
• 19:54
  terms
• 19:54
  of
• 19:55
  hopefully
• 19:56
  a
• 19:56
  group
• 19:56
  of
• 19:57
  trainers,
• 19:58
  you
• 19:58
  know,
• 19:58
  representing.
• 19:59
  Are
• 19:59
  you
• 19:59
  doing
• 20:00
  anything
• 20:00
  to
• 20:01
  actively.
• 20:02
  I
• 20:03
  mean,
• 20:03
  I,
• 20:03
  I
• 20:03
  know
• 20:03
  this
• 20:04
  is
• 20:04
  a
• 20:04
  hard
• 20:04
  question
• 20:04
  because
• 20:05
  it
• 20:05
  costs
• 20:05
  money
• 20:05
  to
• 20:06
  market
• 20:06
  or
• 20:06
  to
• 20:06
  advertise,
• 20:07
  but
• 20:08
  is
• 20:08
  anything
• 20:08
  actively
• 20:09
  happening
• 20:10
  to
• 20:10
  let.
• 20:11
  I
• 20:11
  know
• 20:11
  a
• 20:11
  lot
• 20:11
  of
• 20:12
  people
• 20:12
  know
• 20:12
  about
• 20:13
  trainers.
• 20:13
  Yeah.
• 20:14
  How
• 20:14
  do
• 20:14
  you
• 20:14
  let
• 20:14
  people
• 20:15
  know
• 20:15
  that?
• 20:15
  Amateurs,
• 20:16
  juniors,
• 20:16
  others,
• 20:17
  clients.
• 20:17
  Well,
• 20:17
  we're
• 20:18
  trying
• 20:18
  to
• 20:18
  do
• 20:19
  the
• 20:19
  town
• 20:19
  hall
• 20:19
  meetings.
• 20:20
  We
• 20:20
  have
• 20:20
  one
• 20:20
  tonight
• 20:21
  here
• 20:21
  at
• 20:21
  this
• 20:21
  particular
• 20:21
  horse
• 20:22
  show.
• 20:22
  Daniel
• 20:22
  Geithner
• 20:23
  is
• 20:24
  the
• 20:24
  president.
• 20:24
  He
• 20:25
  has
• 20:25
  had
• 20:25
  a
• 20:25
  couple
• 20:26
  and
• 20:27
  one
• 20:27
  in
• 20:27
  Ocala,
• 20:28
  one
• 20:28
  in
• 20:28
  Aiken.
• 20:29
  Carlton
• 20:29
  Brooks
• 20:30
  is
• 20:30
  doing
• 20:30
  in
• 20:30
  California
• 20:31
  and
• 20:32
  on
• 20:32
  the
• 20:32
  west
• 20:32
  coast.
• 20:33
  And
• 20:33
  we're
• 20:34
  getting
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  word
• 20:34
  out
• 20:34
  again.
• 20:35
  It's
• 20:35
  the
• 20:35
  infant
• 20:36
  stages
• 20:36
  of
• 20:36
  what
• 20:36
  they're
• 20:37
  doing.
• 20:38
  We're
• 20:38
  having,
• 20:40
  I
• 20:40
  believe,
• 20:40
  in
• 20:40
  articles
• 20:41
  coming
• 20:41
  out
• 20:41
  in
• 20:41
  the
• 20:41
  Chronicle
• 20:42
  in
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  next
• 20:42
  couple
• 20:43
  of
• 20:43
  weeks
• 20:43
  about
• 20:43
  the
• 20:43
  organization,
• 20:44
  hopefully
• 20:44
  to
• 20:44
  get
• 20:45
  it
• 20:45
  out
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  people.
• 20:46
  And
• 20:46
  we're
• 20:47
  going
• 20:47
  to
• 20:47
  also
• 20:48
  spin
• 20:48
  these
• 20:48
  town
• 20:49
  halls
• 20:49
  to
• 20:50
  people
• 20:50
  that
• 20:50
  are.
• 20:51
  If
• 20:51
  you
• 20:51
  look
• 20:51
  at
• 20:51
  our
• 20:52
  advisory
• 20:52
  board,
• 20:52
  it's
• 20:53
  very
• 20:53
  spread
• 20:53
  out
• 20:54
  amongst
• 20:55
  the
• 20:55
  country
• 20:56
  and
• 20:56
  we
• 20:57
  have
• 20:57
  representatives
• 20:58
  a
• 20:58
  lot
• 20:58
  of
• 20:58
  places.
• 20:59
  And
• 20:59
  what
• 20:59
  we're
• 20:59
  asking
• 21:00
  to
• 21:00
  do
• 21:00
  is
• 21:00
  those
• 21:00
  representatives
• 21:01
  will
• 21:01
  hold
• 21:02
  these
• 21:02
  same
• 21:02
  town
• 21:02
  halls
• 21:03
  because
• 21:03
  everybody's.
• 21:04
  We're
• 21:04
  all
• 21:04
  equal.
• 21:05
  Sure.
• 21:06
  You
• 21:06
  don't
• 21:06
  have
• 21:06
  to
• 21:07
  call
• 21:07
  me
• 21:07
  or
• 21:08
  call
• 21:08
  Daniel
• 21:08
  or
• 21:09
  call
• 21:09
  Carlton.
• 21:09
  We're
• 21:10
  trying
• 21:10
  to
• 21:10
  get
• 21:12
  common
• 21:12
  sense
• 21:13
  horsemen
• 21:13
  to
• 21:13
  express
• 21:14
  their
• 21:14
  Views
• 21:14
  and
• 21:15
  get
• 21:15
  views
• 21:15
  back
• 21:15
  and
• 21:16
  get
• 21:16
  feedback
• 21:16
  back.
• 21:17
  So
• 21:17
  we're
• 21:17
  taking
• 21:18
  these
• 21:18
  people
• 21:18
  and
• 21:18
  they're
• 21:18
  having
• 21:19
  these
• 21:19
  town
• 21:19
  halls
• 21:19
  all
• 21:20
  over
• 21:20
  the
• 21:20
  country
• 21:21
  as
• 21:21
  we
• 21:21
  can.
• 21:22
  And
• 21:23
  as
• 21:23
  far
• 21:23
  as
• 21:24
  social
• 21:24
  media
• 21:25
  and
• 21:25
  stuff
• 21:25
  goes,
• 21:25
  we're
• 21:25
  doing
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  best
• 21:26
  we
• 21:26
  can.
• 21:27
  We're
• 21:28
  not
• 21:28
  great
• 21:28
  at
• 21:29
  it.
• 21:29
  Yeah,
• 21:29
  we're
• 21:29
  not.
• 21:30
  But
• 21:30
  we're
• 21:30
  trying
• 21:31
  to
• 21:31
  do
• 21:31
  things
• 21:31
  like
• 21:31
  this
• 21:32
  and
• 21:32
  get
• 21:32
  the
• 21:32
  word
• 21:33
  out
• 21:33
  there.
• 21:33
  And
• 21:33
  then
• 21:33
  we're
• 21:34
  also,
• 21:35
  you
• 21:36
  know,
• 21:36
  a
• 21:36
  phone
• 21:36
  call
• 21:36
  away
• 21:37
  or
• 21:37
  a
• 21:37
  text
• 21:37
  away
• 21:38
  if
• 21:38
  you
• 21:38
  don't,
• 21:39
  if
• 21:39
  you're
• 21:39
  interested,
• 21:40
  text
• 21:40
  somebody
• 21:41
  on
• 21:41
  the
• 21:41
  board.
• 21:41
  It's
• 21:42
  a
• 21:42
  list
• 21:42
  of
• 21:42
  them
• 21:42
  and
• 21:43
  it's,
• 21:43
  it's
• 21:43
  people
• 21:44
  that
• 21:44
  go
• 21:45
  from
• 21:45
  smaller
• 21:46
  A
• 21:46
  shows
• 21:47
  to
• 21:47
  local
• 21:47
  shows
• 21:47
  to
• 21:48
  the
• 21:48
  people
• 21:48
  that
• 21:49
  are
• 21:49
  the
• 21:49
  biggest
• 21:49
  horse
• 21:49
  shows
• 21:50
  in
• 21:50
  the
• 21:50
  country.
• 21:50
  Right.
• 21:50
  And
• 21:51
  we're
• 21:51
  trying
• 21:51
  to
• 21:52
  cover
• 21:52
  everybody
• 21:52
  because
• 21:53
  we,
• 21:53
  we
• 21:53
  feel
• 21:54
  like
• 21:55
  the,
• 21:55
  the
• 21:56
  middle,
• 21:56
  lower
• 21:57
  level,
• 21:58
  not
• 21:58
  on
• 21:58
  ability
• 21:58
  but
• 21:59
  on
• 21:59
  size
• 21:59
  of
• 21:59
  horse
• 22:00
  show
• 22:01
  is
• 22:01
  what
• 22:02
  drives
• 22:02
  the
• 22:03
  business.
• 22:04
  And
• 22:04
  so
• 22:05
  we're
• 22:05
  really
• 22:06
  reaching
• 22:06
  out
• 22:06
  to
• 22:07
  that
• 22:07
  trainer
• 22:08
  because
• 22:08
  we
• 22:08
  feel
• 22:09
  like
• 22:09
  we
• 22:09
  can
• 22:09
  represent
• 22:10
  them
• 22:10
  to
• 22:10
  make
• 22:11
  this
• 22:11
  better
• 22:11
  for
• 22:11
  them.
• 22:12
  Right.
• 22:12
  And
• 22:12
  we're
• 22:12
  really
• 22:12
  worried
• 22:13
  about
• 22:13
  the
• 22:13
  young
• 22:13
  professional
• 22:16
  that
• 22:16
  we
• 22:17
  leave
• 22:17
  them
• 22:18
  something
• 22:18
  that's
• 22:19
  tangible
• 22:20
  for
• 22:21
  all
• 22:21
  levels.
• 22:21
  Yeah.
• 22:22
  Right.
• 22:22
  And
• 22:22
  I'm
• 22:23
  not
• 22:23
  sure
• 22:23
  the
• 22:23
  way
• 22:24
  it's
• 22:24
  going,
• 22:24
  I'm
• 22:24
  not
• 22:24
  sure
• 22:25
  it's
• 22:25
  going
• 22:25
  to
• 22:25
  be
• 22:25
  tangible
• 22:26
  for
• 22:26
  all
• 22:26
  levels.
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  think
• 22:28
  that
• 22:28
  that's
• 22:28
  a
• 22:28
  valid
• 22:28
  concern
• 22:29
  across.
• 22:30
  Yeah.
• 22:30
  You
• 22:31
  know,
• 22:31
  the
• 22:31
  owners
• 22:31
  and
• 22:32
  clients
• 22:32
  and
• 22:32
  riders
• 22:33
  is
• 22:33
  what's
• 22:34
  going
• 22:34
  to.
• 22:34
  What
• 22:34
  does
• 22:34
  the
• 22:35
  future
• 22:35
  look
• 22:35
  like?
• 22:36
  Is
• 22:36
  this
• 22:36
  even
• 22:36
  something
• 22:36
  that
• 22:37
  we
• 22:37
  can
• 22:37
  continue
• 22:37
  doing?
• 22:38
  Yeah,
• 22:38
  and
• 22:38
  I
• 22:39
  think
• 22:39
  we
• 22:39
  can,
• 22:40
  but
• 22:40
  I
• 22:40
  think
• 22:41
  it
• 22:41
  has
• 22:42
  to
• 22:42
  come
• 22:42
  more
• 22:42
  back
• 22:42
  to
• 22:43
  the
• 22:43
  middle.
• 22:43
  We've
• 22:43
  got
• 22:43
  to
• 22:44
  get
• 22:44
  back
• 22:44
  to
• 22:44
  the
• 22:44
  middle
• 22:44
  where
• 22:46
  a
• 22:46
  lower
• 22:46
  level,
• 22:48
  as
• 22:48
  far
• 22:48
  as
• 22:48
  a
• 22:49
  horse
• 22:49
  show
• 22:49
  goes,
• 22:50
  not
• 22:50
  in.
• 22:50
  Make
• 22:51
  sure.
• 22:51
  I
• 22:51
  don't
• 22:51
  want
• 22:51
  to
• 22:51
  say
• 22:52
  that
• 22:52
  wrong.
• 22:52
  Not
• 22:52
  in.
• 22:53
  In
• 22:53
  stature
• 22:53
  of
• 22:54
  the
• 22:54
  horse
• 22:54
  show
• 22:54
  or
• 22:54
  in
• 22:55
  anything
• 22:55
  with
• 22:55
  the
• 22:56
  horse
• 22:56
  show,
• 22:56
  but
• 22:57
  just
• 22:57
  not
• 22:57
  as
• 22:57
  many
• 22:58
  entries.
• 23:00
  The
• 23:00
  middle
• 23:00
  becomes
• 23:01
  attainable
• 23:01
  and
• 23:01
  the
• 23:01
  middle,
• 23:02
  the
• 23:02
  upper
• 23:03
  becomes
• 23:03
  attainable.
• 23:03
  Right.
• 23:04
  You've
• 23:04
  got
• 23:04
  to
• 23:05
  be
• 23:05
  able
• 23:05
  to
• 23:05
  step
• 23:05
  up
• 23:06
  and
• 23:06
  that's
• 23:06
  hopefully
• 23:07
  what
• 23:07
  we
• 23:07
  can
• 23:07
  create.
• 23:08
  If
• 23:08
  you
• 23:08
  want
• 23:08
  to
• 23:09
  step
• 23:09
  up.
• 23:09
  Right.
• 23:09
  And
• 23:09
  if
• 23:10
  you
• 23:10
  don't
• 23:10
  just
• 23:10
  want
• 23:10
  to.
• 23:11
  Stay
• 23:11
  where
• 23:11
  you
• 23:11
  are.
• 23:11
  Stay
• 23:12
  where
• 23:12
  you
• 23:12
  are,
• 23:12
  then
• 23:12
  we
• 23:12
  want
• 23:12
  to
• 23:12
  make
• 23:13
  those
• 23:13
  horse
• 23:13
  shows
• 23:13
  better
• 23:14
  and
• 23:14
  still
• 23:15
  exist.
• 23:16
  And
• 23:16
  I
• 23:16
  think
• 23:16
  that's
• 23:16
  a
• 23:16
  scary
• 23:17
  headed.
• 23:17
  Yes.
• 23:18
  And
• 23:18
  that's
• 23:18
  just.
• 23:18
  And
• 23:19
  I
• 23:19
  think
• 23:19
  people
• 23:19
  try
• 23:19
  hard.
• 23:20
  I
• 23:20
  don't
• 23:20
  go
• 23:20
  to
• 23:20
  many
• 23:20
  horse
• 23:21
  shows,
• 23:21
  I
• 23:21
  judge
• 23:21
  a
• 23:21
  lot
• 23:22
  and
• 23:22
  I
• 23:22
  don't
• 23:22
  go
• 23:22
  to
• 23:22
  many
• 23:22
  horses
• 23:23
  where
• 23:23
  the
• 23:23
  effort's
• 23:24
  not
• 23:24
  put
• 23:24
  into
• 23:25
  making
• 23:26
  it
• 23:26
  good.
• 23:26
  But
• 23:26
  I
• 23:26
  think
• 23:27
  we
• 23:27
  are
• 23:27
  struggling
• 23:29
  with
• 23:29
  the
• 23:30
  horse
• 23:30
  show
• 23:30
  surviving
• 23:32
  because
• 23:32
  it's
• 23:33
  become
• 23:33
  a
• 23:34
  different
• 23:35
  business.
• 23:36
  Oh,
• 23:36
  totally.
• 23:37
  And
• 23:37
  I
• 23:37
  think
• 23:37
  that
• 23:38
  having
• 23:38
  all
• 23:38
  these
• 23:39
  centers
• 23:39
  like
• 23:40
  the
• 23:40
  Ocalas
• 23:41
  or
• 23:41
  whatever,
• 23:42
  it
• 23:43
  makes
• 23:44
  people
• 23:44
  want
• 23:44
  to
• 23:45
  go
• 23:45
  there.
• 23:45
  So
• 23:45
  they
• 23:46
  kind
• 23:46
  of
• 23:46
  save
• 23:46
  their
• 23:46
  money
• 23:47
  so
• 23:47
  they
• 23:47
  can
• 23:47
  go
• 23:47
  there,
• 23:48
  versus
• 23:49
  supporting
• 23:50
  what's
• 23:50
  right
• 23:50
  in
• 23:51
  your
• 23:51
  backyard.
• 23:51
  Well,
• 23:52
  I
• 23:52
  think,
• 23:52
  again,
• 23:54
  probably
• 23:54
  politically
• 23:55
  wrong
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  say,
• 23:55
  but
• 23:55
  I
• 23:56
  think
• 23:56
  all
• 23:56
  of
• 23:56
  those
• 23:56
  great
• 23:56
  facilities,
• 23:57
  and
• 23:57
  I
• 23:57
  judge
• 23:57
  it
• 23:58
  all
• 23:58
  of
• 23:58
  them,
• 23:58
  and
• 23:58
  they're
• 23:58
  all
• 23:58
  great
• 23:59
  people
• 23:59
  and
• 23:59
  they.
• 23:59
  And
• 24:00
  we've
• 24:00
  shown
• 24:00
  it
• 24:00
  a
• 24:00
  lot
• 24:00
  of
• 24:01
  them.
• 24:02
  I
• 24:02
  think
• 24:02
  all
• 24:03
  of
• 24:03
  the.
• 24:03
  I
• 24:03
  compare
• 24:04
  a
• 24:04
  lot
• 24:04
  of
• 24:04
  those
• 24:04
  facilities
• 24:05
  to
• 24:05
  Disney
• 24:05
  World.
• 24:06
  Oh,
• 24:06
  and
• 24:07
  I
• 24:08
  think
• 24:08
  that
• 24:08
  all
• 24:08
  of
• 24:09
  my
• 24:09
  customers
• 24:10
  love
• 24:10
  to
• 24:10
  visit
• 24:10
  Disney
• 24:11
  World
• 24:11
  every
• 24:11
  year.
• 24:12
  Yeah,
• 24:13
  but
• 24:13
  do
• 24:14
  you
• 24:14
  need
• 24:14
  to
• 24:14
  go
• 24:14
  all
• 24:14
  the
• 24:15
  time?
• 24:15
  I
• 24:15
  can't
• 24:16
  afford
• 24:16
  to
• 24:16
  live
• 24:16
  at
• 24:16
  Disney
• 24:17
  World,
• 24:18
  nor
• 24:18
  does
• 24:18
  my
• 24:19
  lifestyle
• 24:19
  allow
• 24:20
  me
• 24:20
  to
• 24:20
  live
• 24:20
  at
• 24:20
  Disney
• 24:21
  World.
• 24:22
  And
• 24:22
  so
• 24:22
  I
• 24:23
  have
• 24:23
  to
• 24:23
  have
• 24:23
  other
• 24:24
  places
• 24:24
  to
• 24:25
  go.
• 24:25
  Well,
• 24:25
  you
• 24:25
  have
• 24:25
  to
• 24:25
  have
• 24:26
  options.
• 24:26
  Yeah,
• 24:26
  I
• 24:26
  have
• 24:26
  to
• 24:27
  have
• 24:27
  options
• 24:27
  to
• 24:28
  keep
• 24:28
  my
• 24:28
  business
• 24:29
  running
• 24:29
  and
• 24:29
  to
• 24:30
  keep
• 24:30
  my
• 24:30
  customers
• 24:31
  happy
• 24:31
  with
• 24:32
  showing
• 24:32
  horses.
• 24:32
  Right.
• 24:33
  And
• 24:33
  so
• 24:33
  I
• 24:34
  think
• 24:34
  it's
• 24:34
  important
• 24:34
  that
• 24:34
  we
• 24:34
  have
• 24:35
  those
• 24:35
  options.
• 24:37
  Is
• 24:37
  there
• 24:37
  anything
• 24:38
  that
• 24:38
  you
• 24:38
  want
• 24:39
  to
• 24:39
  tell
• 24:39
  us
• 24:39
  about
• 24:39
  the
• 24:39
  USCTA
• 24:40
  that
• 24:40
  we
• 24:40
  maybe
• 24:41
  haven't
• 24:41
  touched
• 24:41
  base
• 24:42
  on,
• 24:42
  or
• 24:42
  do
• 24:43
  you
• 24:43
  feel
• 24:43
  like.
• 24:44
  Well,
• 24:44
  I
• 24:44
  think
• 24:45
  that
• 24:45
  the
• 24:45
  only
• 24:45
  other
• 24:46
  things
• 24:46
  is
• 24:46
  that
• 24:46
  we
• 24:46
  are
• 24:47
  doing.
• 24:48
  We're
• 24:48
  doing
• 24:48
  judges
• 24:49
  clinics.
• 24:50
  Again,
• 24:50
  we've
• 24:50
  just
• 24:50
  sort
• 24:51
  of
• 24:51
  announced
• 24:51
  them.
• 24:51
  We're
• 24:52
  going
• 24:52
  to
• 24:52
  do
• 24:52
  judges
• 24:52
  clinics,
• 24:53
  and
• 24:53
  we're
• 24:53
  going
• 24:53
  to
• 24:53
  do
• 24:53
  judges
• 24:53
  clinics
• 24:54
  for.
• 24:55
  We
• 24:55
  have
• 24:55
  a
• 24:55
  lot
• 24:55
  of
• 24:55
  judges
• 24:56
  who
• 24:56
  are
• 24:56
  trainers.
• 24:57
  So
• 24:57
  that's
• 24:57
  why
• 24:57
  we
• 24:57
  feel
• 24:58
  like
• 24:58
  we
• 24:58
  could
• 24:58
  do
• 24:58
  these
• 24:59
  things.
• 24:59
  And
• 24:59
  we're
• 24:59
  going
• 25:00
  to
• 25:00
  do
• 25:00
  judges
• 25:00
  clinics
• 25:00
  that
• 25:01
  are
• 25:01
  a
• 25:01
  little
• 25:01
  bit
• 25:01
  different,
• 25:01
  where
• 25:01
  it's.
• 25:02
  You
• 25:02
  go
• 25:02
  to
• 25:02
  a
• 25:02
  horse
• 25:03
  show
• 25:03
  and
• 25:03
  you
• 25:03
  judge
• 25:03
  three
• 25:04
  days
• 25:04
  with
• 25:04
  a
• 25:04
  judge,
• 25:06
  and
• 25:06
  you
• 25:07
  actually
• 25:07
  get
• 25:07
  to
• 25:08
  ask
• 25:08
  questions,
• 25:08
  see
• 25:09
  the
• 25:09
  mistakes
• 25:09
  in
• 25:09
  real
• 25:10
  time,
• 25:10
  and
• 25:11
  hopefully
• 25:12
  open
• 25:13
  to
• 25:13
  anyone.
• 25:13
  You
• 25:13
  can
• 25:14
  be
• 25:14
  an
• 25:14
  amateur
• 25:15
  or
• 25:15
  you
• 25:15
  can
• 25:15
  be
• 25:15
  a
• 25:16
  judge
• 25:16
  who
• 25:16
  wants
• 25:16
  to
• 25:16
  get
• 25:17
  other
• 25:17
  opinions.
• 25:18
  You
• 25:18
  can
• 25:18
  be
• 25:18
  a
• 25:18
  person
• 25:18
  who
• 25:19
  thinks,
• 25:19
  hey,
• 25:19
  I
• 25:19
  might
• 25:20
  want
• 25:20
  a
• 25:20
  judge.
• 25:21
  Let
• 25:21
  me
• 25:21
  see
• 25:21
  what
• 25:21
  it's
• 25:22
  like.
• 25:22
  Whatever
• 25:22
  level
• 25:23
  you
• 25:23
  are,
• 25:23
  it's
• 25:23
  not
• 25:23
  restricted.
• 25:24
  And
• 25:24
  you
• 25:24
  actually
• 25:25
  get
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  experience
• 25:26
  of
• 25:26
  judging
• 25:26
  with
• 25:27
  a
• 25:27
  judge
• 25:27
  who's
• 25:28
  judged
• 25:28
  a
• 25:29
  lot
• 25:29
  of
• 25:29
  horse
• 25:29
  shows.
• 25:30
  And
• 25:30
  you
• 25:30
  get
• 25:30
  to
• 25:31
  see,
• 25:31
  was
• 25:32
  that
• 25:32
  a
• 25:32
  trot
• 25:32
  jump
• 25:33
  mistake?
• 25:33
  Was
• 25:33
  it
• 25:34
  not?
• 25:34
  Did
• 25:34
  that
• 25:34
  horse
• 25:35
  canter
• 25:35
  did
• 25:35
  it
• 25:35
  not
• 25:36
  in
• 25:36
  line?
• 25:37
  So
• 25:37
  I
• 25:37
  think
• 25:38
  that'll
• 25:38
  be
• 25:38
  good
• 25:38
  for
• 25:38
  people.
• 25:39
  We've
• 25:39
  also
• 25:40
  started
• 25:40
  to
• 25:40
  think
• 25:40
  Carlton's
• 25:41
  running
• 25:41
  a
• 25:43
  committee
• 25:43
  for
• 25:44
  young
• 25:44
  trainers
• 25:46
  to
• 25:46
  ask
• 25:47
  questions,
• 25:48
  those
• 25:48
  awkward
• 25:48
  questions.
• 25:49
  And
• 25:49
  when
• 25:49
  you're
• 25:49
  a
• 25:49
  young
• 25:50
  trainer
• 25:50
  and
• 25:50
  a
• 25:50
  customer
• 25:51
  leaves,
• 25:52
  what
• 25:52
  do
• 25:52
  I
• 25:52
  do?
• 25:53
  You
• 25:53
  know?
• 25:53
  Or,
• 25:54
  you
• 25:54
  know,
• 25:54
  how
• 25:54
  do
• 25:55
  I
• 25:55
  get
• 25:55
  insurance
• 25:55
  for
• 25:56
  my
• 25:56
  farm?
• 25:56
  I've
• 25:56
  never
• 25:56
  had
• 25:57
  to
• 25:57
  do
• 25:57
  that.
• 25:57
  Right.
• 25:57
  You
• 25:58
  know,
• 25:58
  and
• 25:58
  you
• 25:58
  can
• 25:58
  ask
• 25:59
  someone
• 25:59
  like
• 26:00
  him
• 26:01
  that,
• 26:01
  hey,
• 26:02
  you
• 26:02
  know,
• 26:03
  what
• 26:03
  did
• 26:03
  you
• 26:03
  do
• 26:04
  when
• 26:04
  you
• 26:04
  were
• 26:04
  my
• 26:04
  age?
• 26:06
  These
• 26:06
  guys
• 26:06
  all
• 26:07
  want
• 26:07
  to
• 26:07
  give
• 26:07
  back,
• 26:08
  and
• 26:08
  that's
• 26:08
  all
• 26:09
  they're
• 26:09
  trying
• 26:09
  to
• 26:09
  do,
• 26:09
  is
• 26:09
  give
• 26:10
  back
• 26:10
  and
• 26:10
  help.
• 26:10
  Because
• 26:11
  some
• 26:11
  of
• 26:11
  them,
• 26:11
  like
• 26:11
  Daniel,
• 26:12
  has
• 26:12
  children
• 26:12
  that
• 26:12
  are
• 26:12
  going
• 26:13
  to
• 26:13
  be
• 26:13
  in
• 26:13
  the
• 26:13
  business.
• 26:14
  He
• 26:14
  wants
• 26:14
  to
• 26:14
  leave
• 26:14
  them
• 26:15
  a
• 26:15
  good
• 26:15
  product.
• 26:16
  You
• 26:16
  know,
• 26:16
  Carlton's
• 26:17
  a
• 26:17
  genius.
• 26:18
  He
• 26:19
  knows
• 26:19
  a
• 26:19
  lot.
• 26:20
  He
• 26:20
  should
• 26:20
  be
• 26:20
  sharing
• 26:20
  his
• 26:21
  knowledge,
• 26:21
  and
• 26:21
  he
• 26:21
  does.
• 26:22
  You
• 26:22
  know,
• 26:23
  so
• 26:23
  that's.
• 26:24
  There's
• 26:24
  a
• 26:24
  lot
• 26:24
  of
• 26:24
  things
• 26:25
  that
• 26:25
  we're
• 26:25
  doing,
• 26:26
  not
• 26:26
  just
• 26:26
  trying
• 26:27
  to
• 26:27
  make
• 26:27
  a
• 26:27
  rule
• 26:27
  change
• 26:28
  with
• 26:28
  Yusuf.
• 26:29
  Well,
• 26:29
  and
• 26:29
  I
• 26:29
  also
• 26:29
  think
• 26:30
  the
• 26:30
  whole
• 26:30
  structure
• 26:31
  of
• 26:31
  this
• 26:31
  business,
• 26:32
  at
• 26:32
  least,
• 26:32
  you
• 26:33
  know,
• 26:33
  what
• 26:33
  am
• 26:33
  I,
• 26:35
  Rewriter?
• 26:36
  You
• 26:36
  know,
• 26:37
  amateur?
• 26:37
  Once
• 26:37
  upon
• 26:38
  a
• 26:38
  time.
• 26:39
  And
• 26:42
  this
• 26:42
  whole
• 26:42
  business
• 26:43
  is
• 26:43
  so
• 26:43
  different.
• 26:43
  I
• 26:44
  don't
• 26:44
  envy
• 26:45
  anybody.
• 26:46
  Just
• 26:46
  in
• 26:46
  terms
• 26:47
  of
• 26:47
  the
• 26:47
  way
• 26:48
  you're
• 26:48
  even
• 26:49
  forced
• 26:49
  to
• 26:50
  make
• 26:50
  money.
• 26:51
  Yeah,
• 26:51
  you
• 26:51
  know,
• 26:52
  it's
• 26:53
  a.
• 26:53
  Yeah.
• 26:53
  It's
• 26:54
  become
• 26:54
  a
• 26:54
  different
• 26:54
  business
• 26:55
  to
• 26:55
  navigate.
• 26:56
  And
• 26:56
  so
• 26:56
  I
• 26:57
  think,
• 26:58
  again,
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  young
• 26:59
  trainers
• 27:00
  or
• 27:00
  the
• 27:00
  people
• 27:01
  who
• 27:01
  haven't
• 27:01
  had
• 27:01
  a
• 27:01
  lot
• 27:01
  of
• 27:01
  experience
• 27:02
  in
• 27:02
  it,
• 27:02
  even
• 27:03
  people
• 27:03
  that
• 27:03
  have
• 27:03
  a
• 27:03
  lot
• 27:03
  of
• 27:04
  experience,
• 27:04
  have
• 27:05
  trouble.
• 27:05
  Yeah.
• 27:06
  But
• 27:06
  it's,
• 27:07
  you
• 27:07
  know,
• 27:07
  I
• 27:07
  think
• 27:07
  it
• 27:07
  is
• 27:08
  a
• 27:08
  business
• 27:08
  where
• 27:08
  we
• 27:09
  have
• 27:09
  to
• 27:10
  help
• 27:10
  each
• 27:10
  other
• 27:11
  if
• 27:11
  we
• 27:12
  can.
• 27:12
  And
• 27:12
  I
• 27:12
  think,
• 27:12
  you
• 27:13
  know,
• 27:13
  we
• 27:13
  go
• 27:13
  back
• 27:13
  to
• 27:13
  why
• 27:14
  did.
• 27:14
  Why
• 27:14
  did.
• 27:15
  We
• 27:15
  started?
• 27:15
  We
• 27:15
  were
• 27:15
  all
• 27:15
  sitting
• 27:16
  around
• 27:16
  complaining
• 27:17
  one
• 27:17
  day,
• 27:18
  and
• 27:18
  I
• 27:18
  think
• 27:18
  we're
• 27:19
  all,
• 27:19
  like,
• 27:19
  sat
• 27:19
  there
• 27:20
  and
• 27:20
  said,
• 27:20
  wait
• 27:21
  a
• 27:21
  second.
• 27:21
  This
• 27:21
  used
• 27:22
  to
• 27:22
  be
• 27:22
  fun,
• 27:22
  and
• 27:23
  let's
• 27:23
  make
• 27:23
  it
• 27:23
  fun
• 27:23
  again,
• 27:24
  and
• 27:24
  the
• 27:24
  camaraderie
• 27:25
  of
• 27:25
  trainers.
• 27:26
  We
• 27:26
  were
• 27:26
  all
• 27:26
  competing
• 27:27
  for
• 27:27
  clients
• 27:28
  and
• 27:28
  this
• 27:28
  and
• 27:28
  that.
• 27:29
  But
• 27:29
  the
• 27:29
  reality
• 27:30
  of
• 27:30
  it
• 27:30
  is
• 27:30
  we
• 27:31
  want
• 27:31
  to
• 27:31
  enjoy
• 27:31
  what
• 27:32
  we're
• 27:32
  doing.
• 27:32
  Absolutely.
• 27:33
  And,
• 27:34
  you
• 27:34
  know,
• 27:35
  we
• 27:35
  talk
• 27:36
  about
• 27:36
  trusting
• 27:36
  the
• 27:37
  process
• 27:37
  a
• 27:37
  lot.
• 27:38
  And
• 27:38
  if
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  process
• 27:39
  is
• 27:39
  all
• 27:39
  over
• 27:39
  the
• 27:40
  place
• 27:40
  and
• 27:41
  it
• 27:41
  doesn't
• 27:42
  reflect
• 27:42
  the
• 27:42
  structure
• 27:43
  of
• 27:43
  what
• 27:43
  we
• 27:43
  have,
• 27:44
  it
• 27:44
  makes
• 27:44
  it
• 27:44
  really
• 27:44
  hard.
• 27:45
  Correct.
• 27:45
  Right.
• 27:46
  And
• 27:46
  again,
• 27:46
  it
• 27:46
  goes
• 27:47
  back
• 27:47
  to,
• 27:47
  like
• 27:47
  I
• 27:47
  said,
• 27:47
  the
• 27:48
  clients
• 27:48
  drive
• 27:48
  the
• 27:49
  business.
• 27:50
  You
• 27:50
  know,
• 27:50
  the
• 27:50
  clients
• 27:51
  and.
• 27:51
  Well,
• 27:51
  they
• 27:52
  do.
• 27:52
  I
• 27:52
  mean,
• 27:52
  I
• 27:53
  think
• 27:53
  clients
• 27:53
  drive
• 27:54
  the
• 27:54
  business
• 27:54
  because
• 27:54
  if
• 27:54
  your
• 27:55
  clients
• 27:55
  aren't
• 27:55
  happy,
• 27:56
  they
• 27:56
  usually
• 27:56
  wander
• 27:57
  off
• 27:57
  to
• 27:57
  someone
• 27:57
  who
• 27:58
  makes
• 27:58
  them
• 27:58
  happy,
• 27:58
  you
• 27:59
  know,
• 27:59
  and
• 27:59
  so,
• 27:59
  I
• 27:59
  mean,
• 28:00
  you
• 28:00
  have
• 28:00
  to
• 28:00
  keep
• 28:00
  clients
• 28:01
  happy,
• 28:01
  not
• 28:01
  by
• 28:03
  pomp
• 28:03
  and
• 28:03
  ceremony,
• 28:04
  but
• 28:04
  by,
• 28:05
  you
• 28:05
  know,
• 28:06
  sticking
• 28:06
  to
• 28:06
  your
• 28:06
  guns
• 28:07
  and
• 28:07
  giving
• 28:08
  them
• 28:08
  a
• 28:08
  product
• 28:09
  that.
• 28:09
  That
• 28:09
  represents
• 28:10
  what
• 28:10
  you
• 28:11
  want.
• 28:11
  I
• 28:11
  think
• 28:11
  that's
• 28:12
  the
• 28:12
  key.
• 28:12
  Yeah.
• 28:12
  Is
• 28:13
  what
• 28:13
  is
• 28:13
  the
• 28:13
  product?
• 28:14
  What
• 28:14
  does
• 28:14
  it
• 28:14
  look
• 28:15
  like?
• 28:15
  It
• 28:15
  might
• 28:15
  be
• 28:15
  different
• 28:16
  for
• 28:16
  you
• 28:16
  than
• 28:16
  it
• 28:16
  is
• 28:17
  for
• 28:17
  somebody
• 28:18
  else,
• 28:18
  but
• 28:18
  here's
• 28:18
  what
• 28:19
  I
• 28:19
  can
• 28:20
  represent
• 28:20
  for
• 28:21
  you.
• 28:21
  Well,
• 28:21
  I
• 28:21
  think
• 28:21
  it's
• 28:22
  like
• 28:22
  a.
• 28:22
  It's.
• 28:23
  It's
• 28:23
  almost
• 28:23
  like
• 28:23
  a
• 28:24
  restaurant.
• 28:24
  You
• 28:24
  know,
• 28:26
  it
• 28:26
  might
• 28:26
  not
• 28:26
  be
• 28:26
  the
• 28:27
  best
• 28:27
  restaurant
• 28:27
  in
• 28:27
  the
• 28:27
  world,
• 28:27
  but
• 28:28
  every
• 28:28
  time
• 28:28
  you
• 28:28
  sit
• 28:28
  down
• 28:28
  there,
• 28:29
  you
• 28:29
  know
• 28:29
  the
• 28:29
  food's
• 28:29
  going
• 28:29
  to
• 28:29
  be
• 28:30
  good.
• 28:30
  And
• 28:30
  so
• 28:30
  you
• 28:31
  go
• 28:31
  there
• 28:32
  10
• 28:32
  times
• 28:33
  a
• 28:33
  month,
• 28:33
  right?
• 28:34
  And
• 28:34
  maybe
• 28:34
  you
• 28:34
  venture
• 28:35
  out
• 28:35
  once
• 28:35
  a
• 28:35
  month
• 28:36
  somewhere
• 28:36
  else.
• 28:36
  And
• 28:36
  I
• 28:37
  think
• 28:37
  that's,
• 28:37
  you
• 28:37
  know,
• 28:37
  the
• 28:37
  consistency
• 28:38
  in
• 28:38
  what
• 28:38
  you're
• 28:39
  getting
• 28:39
  is
• 28:39
  important,
• 28:40
  I
• 28:40
  think.
• 28:40
  And
• 28:41
  I
• 28:41
  think
• 28:41
  if
• 28:41
  we
• 28:41
  can
• 28:42
  share
• 28:42
  our
• 28:43
  consistency
• 28:43
  amongst
• 28:44
  younger
• 28:44
  trainers
• 28:45
  coming
• 28:45
  up,
• 28:46
  you
• 28:47
  know,
• 28:47
  it's
• 28:47
  like
• 28:47
  parenting.
• 28:48
  Do
• 28:48
  what
• 28:48
  I
• 28:48
  did
• 28:49
  right,
• 28:49
  what
• 28:49
  I
• 28:50
  thought
• 28:50
  I
• 28:50
  did
• 28:50
  right,
• 28:51
  you
• 28:51
  know,
• 28:51
  and
• 28:51
  then
• 28:52
  hopefully
• 28:52
  my
• 28:52
  son
• 28:52
  will
• 28:53
  be
• 28:53
  a
• 28:53
  better
• 28:53
  parent
• 28:53
  than
• 28:54
  I
• 28:54
  was.
• 28:54
  I
• 28:55
  made
• 28:55
  mistakes,
• 28:55
  but
• 28:56
  you
• 28:56
  take
• 28:56
  what
• 28:56
  I
• 28:56
  did
• 28:56
  right,
• 28:57
  use
• 28:57
  it,
• 28:57
  what
• 28:57
  I
• 28:57
  did
• 28:58
  do
• 28:58
  right,
• 28:58
  don't
• 28:59
  use
• 28:59
  it,
• 28:59
  you
• 28:59
  know,
• 29:00
  And
• 29:00
  I
• 29:00
  think
• 29:00
  it's
• 29:00
  the
• 29:00
  same
• 29:00
  way,
• 29:00
  the
• 29:01
  training,
• 29:01
  right?
• 29:02
  You
• 29:02
  know,
• 29:02
  so
• 29:02
  that's
• 29:03
  the
• 29:03
  experience
• 29:03
  we
• 29:03
  want
• 29:03
  to
• 29:03
  give
• 29:04
  them.
• 29:04
  It's
• 29:04
  awesome.
• 29:05
  Yeah,
• 29:05
  I
• 29:05
  think
• 29:05
  it's
• 29:06
  great.