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Dolly Parton’s LGBTQ Legacy, Texas Drag Ban Defeated & Hope for Uganda · The Karel Show

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  Speaker 1: Is here.
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  Speaker 2: No time to fear.
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  Speaker 3: Corelle is so near because Showtime is here.
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  Speaker 2: So on with the show. Let's give it a go.
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  Speaker 4: Corelle is the one that you need to know.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's Showtime. Welcome to This Gay Week with Scott,
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  Speaker 2: who is still in the Ukraine, and me, Karel, the gay.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a week to be gay. We lost an icon,
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  Speaker 2: but we won a court case. We'll talk about that
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  Speaker 2: and so much more on This Gay Week.
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  Speaker 5: Now it's your time.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Corellians, and welcome to The Corell Show. It is
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  Speaker 2: time for This Gay Week. Scott Jacobson is with us.
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  Speaker 2: He is, of course, in Kiev, Ukraine. We'll talk to
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  Speaker 2: him a little bit about that at first. And then
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  Speaker 2: we got to talk about the loss of an icon,
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  Speaker 2: the winning of a court.
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  Speaker 2: Battle in Texas and other such things going on around
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  Speaker 2: the world in the world of LGBTQ people. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: let's just go straight to the Ukraine.
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  Speaker 6: Well, not straight to, not on this gay week, certainly. Hello, Scott.
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  Speaker 7: How are things in Kyiv? Nothing but detours on this show.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we've heard nothing but bad things about Kyiv, so
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  Speaker 6: tell us the truth. What's going on there?
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  Speaker 7: Bombings are fewer. than they have been in recent weeks.
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  Speaker 7: Quite a few air raid alarms on a couple of
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  Speaker 7: the days, but in general, more or less quiet. Some
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  Speaker 7: of the more controversial things have to do with some
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  Speaker 7: of the social and political controversies around anti-corruption, around support
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  Speaker 7: for individuals who are undergoing some of those processes. And
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  Speaker 7: so they're typically, I think it's SAPO, NABU, and ESBU
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  Speaker 7: are sort of the main.
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  Speaker 2: How long more is Zelensky president for? I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: been president this whole time.
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  Speaker 7: So there's one defense guy that was resigned or sacked
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  Speaker 7: who has made some statements about calling for an election
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  Speaker 7: during wartime. There have been a lot of protests over
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  Speaker 7: his not being in a position because many of the
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  Speaker 7: advances in the front line due to drone technology advancements
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  Speaker 7: have been attributed to his leadership. Samsa has sort of
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  Speaker 7: removal as unfair. And so now he's calling for an
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  Speaker 7: immediate action public statement about elections. That's point one. Point two,
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  Speaker 7: we are under martial law. And so the term has
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  Speaker 7: already been extended past regular processes. However, under wartime, particularly
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  Speaker 7: for a defender state, that does seem to be pretty normal.
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  Speaker 7: in democratic society.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Trump is hoping for that, ain't he? He wants
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  Speaker 2: to find a way to stay in and call off
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  Speaker 2: the election. However, here in the United States, our Constitution
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  Speaker 2: makes no provisions for that. We have had elections during
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  Speaker 2: world wars, during civil war. The Constitution states it happens
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  Speaker 2: on this date, period, end.
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  Speaker 6: There's no martial law or anything.
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  Speaker 2: All right, well, we are on This Gay Week, and
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  Speaker 2: we've got two minutes and 30 seconds left in this segment, but....
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  Speaker 6: I've been talking about it. I was on air when
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  Speaker 6: it happened.
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  Speaker 2: Someone in the chat room actually told me that Dolly
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  Speaker 2: Parton had died. Dolly Parton was an enormous LGBTQ advocate
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  Speaker 2: and a Christian. She found a way to be both.
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  Speaker 2: And her way was fabulous. Her way was, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to judge. It says in the Bible
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  Speaker 2: that I don't judge. Judge not, lest ye not be judged.
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  Speaker 2: So I leave that to God. So I'm too busy
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  Speaker 2: loving and accepting people for who they are. And she said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, God doesn't make mistakes. If you're gay, you're gay.
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  Speaker 2: If you're straight, you're straight. That's the way God made you.
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  Speaker 2: And if there's any problem with that in the afterlife,
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  Speaker 2: then you can sort it out with God. And I thought,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if people around the world adopted Dolly Parton's
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  Speaker 2: stance on LGBTQ people, you and.
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't have a show to do every week.
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  Speaker 2: You know, just, yeah, I'm a Christian or yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a Muslim or yeah, I'm a Jew or whatever, but
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  Speaker 2: it's not for me to judge and God doesn't make mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: He made all people. So I'm going to miss Dolly.
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  Speaker 2: She's been in my life ever since I was born.
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  Speaker 2: My parents watched her and Porter Wagner on the TV.
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  Speaker 2: I saw her on the Johnny Carson show when I
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  Speaker 2: was like 14. And she's been in my life ever since.
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  Speaker 2: My ex-friend, I guess, Ken, he loved her, had all
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  Speaker 2: her albums. I used to hear her every day. And
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  Speaker 2: she was just a stellar human being. Could have been
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  Speaker 2: a billionaire, but decided to give away a lot of
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  Speaker 2: her money. She really is a shining example as we
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  Speaker 2: talk about all these other stories going on around the world.
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  Speaker 2: She is truly a shining example of what happens if
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  Speaker 2: you choose love, and what happens if you choose to
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  Speaker 2: live and not live, and what happens if you choose
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  Speaker 2: to spread joy instead of division and hatred. When we
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  Speaker 2: come back, we're going to talk about a court ruling
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  Speaker 2: that just happened yesterday in Texas that actually cites Dolly Parton.
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  Speaker 2: The judge actually references.
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  Speaker 6: Her in the ruling.
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  Speaker 2: And so we're going to talk about that on This
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  Speaker 2: welcome back to The Quarrel Show This Gay Week. This
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  Speaker 2: is a story that I'm springing on Scott because it
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  Speaker 2: just happened yesterday. And I didn't have time to brief
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  Speaker 2: him on it. But we are joined by, of course,
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  Speaker 2: Scott Jacobson of The Good Man Project. And you can
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  Speaker 2: go read all of his writing at The Good Man Project.
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  Speaker 2: It's there for you for free to go read. Also,
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  Speaker 2: his podcaster coming up at Rabble. including one that he
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  Speaker 2: sent me that I felt like I was a child
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  Speaker 2: watching because I did not understand shit. But it was
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  Speaker 2: on physics and just out there.
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  Speaker 6: In the world.
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  Speaker 7: Those people know a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what scared me. I'm like, my brain can't
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  Speaker 2: even hold that much knowledge.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so the story is out of Texas, where a
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  Speaker 2: Reagan-appointed judge has just pissed off the governor and every
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  Speaker 2: Republican in the state by striking down the drag ban
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  Speaker 2: in the state. Seven states have drag bans, and this
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  Speaker 2: Reagan-appointed judge struck it down, saying the law was too vague,
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  Speaker 2: that drag is a protected First Amendment freedom of speech right,
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  Speaker 2: which shall not be infringed. and that Texas nightclubs and
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  Speaker 2: venues had no reason to bar or to stop the
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  Speaker 2: drag shows. And the main complaint was that they were
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  Speaker 2: sexual in nature, and he cited Dolly Parton saying some
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  Speaker 2: could say that her big blonde hair, fully exposed cleavage,
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  Speaker 2: and tight dresses made her an item of lust and
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  Speaker 2: and of sexual desire, and yet they're not. He also
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  Speaker 2: said that cheerleaders, that under this particular law, cheerleaders, plays
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  Speaker 2: with any kind of sexuality in them at all. And
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  Speaker 2: all of that could then be challenged as illegal or
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  Speaker 2: immoral under this law. So he said it was too vague.
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  Speaker 2: But don't despair, Scott. He did offer a solution to
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  Speaker 2: the governor and to the plaintiffs or to the defendants
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  Speaker 2: in the case.
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  Speaker 6: Or no, the plaintiffs in the case. And do you
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  Speaker 6: know what that was?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 6: If you don't like drag shows and find them offensive,
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  Speaker 6: don't go to them.
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  Speaker 7: Which is the very common counter.
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  Speaker 2: To this day. It's in his ruling. He says that
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  Speaker 2: it's a protected speech. It's First Amendment right. He said
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  Speaker 2: it's also too vague. Under it, Dolly Parton could be banned.
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  Speaker 2: And then three, he said that it in no way
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  Speaker 2: violates anybody's rights because if you find drag shows offensive.
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  Speaker 6: You don't have to go to them. And it's a
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  Speaker 6: beautiful ruling.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that they'll appeal it to the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 2: I hope they do, because even these horrible justices that
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  Speaker 2: we have will have to acknowledge that drag is freedom
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  Speaker 2: of speech, just like any other theater, and it must
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  Speaker 2: be allowed. So it's a great ruling by this judge,
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  Speaker 2: a Reagan appointee, who basically said, if you don't like him,
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  Speaker 2: don't go, but otherwise it is protected speech, and under
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  Speaker 2: that law is written people like Dolly Parton or cheerleaders
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  Speaker 2: or people in plays could all fall under the law
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  Speaker 2: so therefore it's far too vague.
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  Speaker 6: So that was a good thing. Yes, Charlie?
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  Speaker 7: And we understand all this intuitively in other contexts. I
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  Speaker 7: remember George Carlin had a famous bit about You can
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  Speaker 7: turn the knob or turn off the radio, like change
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  Speaker 7: the station, or turn down the volume and turn off
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  Speaker 7: the radio. I don't have to be covering this war
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  Speaker 7: story with missiles coming down. I put myself in danger
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  Speaker 7: knowing that I take accountability and responsibility for that decision.
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  Speaker 2: guys shouldn't be on air their patent response was well
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  Speaker 2: that's just a fact statistically haters listen longer than people
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  Speaker 2: who actually like you All right. You want to start
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  Speaker 2: in the Ukraine with the other stories at the Pride
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  Speaker 2: March in Kharkiv?
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  Speaker 7: Sure. So Kharkiv Pride organizers have announced September events, including
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  Speaker 7: Pride Fest, in a September 12th march. Coordinated, very important,
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  Speaker 7: with police. As was noted to me, as I noted
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  Speaker 7: to you, in a prior period of Pride events in Ukraine,
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  Speaker 7: there was a period where young men wanted to put
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  Speaker 7: poop feces and condoms and then fling them at the protesters.
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  Speaker 7: They were stopped from their shenanigans. And so participants plan
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  Speaker 7: to demand legal recognition of same-sex partnerships in marriages, stronger
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  Speaker 7: hate crime protections and equality while parallel pride events occur
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  Speaker 7: in Kyiv and Lviv.
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  Speaker 2: So it would appear to me that in Ukraine, and
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  Speaker 2: given since you've been there, we have covered LGBTQ stories
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  Speaker 2: from the regions, which is something I never would have
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  Speaker 2: thought of in the past, so I'm grateful for being exposed.
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  Speaker 2: It would appear the genie is out of the bottle.
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  Speaker 2: The Ukrainians are saying, hey, look, we serve in the military,
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  Speaker 2: we are part of this society, and we want these rights.
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  Speaker 2: And it appears they're not letting up. Pig heads be damned.
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  Speaker 2: It appears that they are going to continue fighting, demanding
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  Speaker 2: the legalization of same-sex marriage, the recognition of LGBTQ people
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  Speaker 2: able to adopt. And as we spoke about the surrogacy
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  Speaker 2: issue that's going on there, LGBTQ people also want the
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  Speaker 2: right to use those surrogates. And it looks like popular
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  Speaker 2: opinion says is with them. People are so focused on
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  Speaker 2: the war and eating and the economy and all that,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, let the gays have what the gays want.
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  Speaker 6: Who cares?
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  Speaker 2: We got other, you know, we got other things to
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  Speaker 2: worry about right now. Which always, you know, look, we've
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  Speaker 2: made gains like that before, where the country or the
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  Speaker 2: world was too busy to really be bothered, so we
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  Speaker 2: just took advantage of that and made some strides. Right
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  Speaker 2: now in the Ukraine, they're a little too busy to
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  Speaker 2: be bothered, so... Gay people are like, now's our time.
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  Speaker 2: Let's try to move this forward.
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  Speaker 6: And they are.
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  Speaker 2: All events, as you said, are coordinated with the national police,
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  Speaker 2: which is important because they're going to need them. Because
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  Speaker 2: just because a lot of people seem to be on
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  Speaker 2: board with it doesn't mean everybody is.
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  Speaker 6: And as you know, it can get dangerous.
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  Speaker 7: And it's probably, when you talk to ordinary Ukrainians, a
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  Speaker 7: distinction between the generations and their attitudes of those who
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  Speaker 7: are Soviet those who are immediate post-Soviet, and those who
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  Speaker 7: are contemporary young adult Ukrainians.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell you without even you telling me
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  Speaker 2: how it goes. Contemporary young adults, Ukrainian, totally for civil
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  Speaker 2: rights for the most part. Let them have marriage, let
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  Speaker 2: them adopt, all that. Pre-Russia, dead set against it. Post-Russia, right,
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  Speaker 2: immediately post-Russia, probably a majority against it. So it would
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  Speaker 2: go totally, majority, and then totally for.
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  Speaker 7: By generation. That would be the qualitative sentiment. I'd have
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  Speaker 7: to do a formal project looking at different surveys, but
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  Speaker 7: that's the general qualitative sentiment. In conversation with ordinary Ukrainians.
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  Speaker 2: I love how in the article you said from the
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  Speaker 2: Union of Orthodox Journalists, out at the bottom it says,
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  Speaker 2: part of the so-called Pride Month.
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  Speaker 6: So-called Pride Month. They can't just say part of Pride Month.
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  Speaker 6: So-called Pride Month.
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  Speaker 7: Well, for them, they do this rhetoric that Jordan Peterson
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  Speaker 7: does on pride where he says, can't call it pride.
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  Speaker 7: Pride is a cardinal sin. It is a deliberate misreading.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really think pride would be a cardinal sin.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, but what do I know?
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  Speaker 6: All right, another good news story.
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  Speaker 2: People have gathered outside the EU institutions in solidarity with
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  Speaker 2: Poland's LGBTQ community in Brussels.
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  Speaker 6: That is a good story.
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  Speaker 2: There are people that are gathering at other places to
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  Speaker 2: show Poland they support the LGBTQ community and recognizing, again,
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  Speaker 2: same-sex marriage is on the docket. But it's great that
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  Speaker 2: people in the EU... are actually rallying outside of Poland
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  Speaker 2: to support Poland LGBTQ community. As a member of a
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  Speaker 2: gay community, I will tell you, it does make us
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  Speaker 2: feel good when others in other parts of the world
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  Speaker 2: show their support for what we're doing.
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  Speaker 6: You know, so it energizes a movement.
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  Speaker 2: So this will definitely energize the LGBTQ community in Brussels
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  Speaker 2: and in Poland. So this is a good thing. I
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  Speaker 2: think there's not much else to that story. I'm looking. No,
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  Speaker 2: that was it. Just that they're marching and gathering outside
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  Speaker 2: the European Union institutions in solidarity with Poland's LGBT community.
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  Speaker 2: The next story we are going to move on to,
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  Speaker 2: do we want to do the lavender scare?
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  Speaker 6: Do you know what that is, the lavender scare?
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  Speaker 7: The lavender scare. You told me about this earlier. I
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  Speaker 7: think you're the one who introduced me to this term.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So you got to watch the show Fellow Travelers
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  Speaker 2: with Matt Bomer and what's his name?
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  Speaker 6: My future husband, Jonathan Groff.
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  Speaker 2: In the 1950s, while McCarthy was doing his thing, they
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  Speaker 2: were also purging gay people from the agencies, FBI, police.
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  Speaker 2: And it was called the Lavender Scare because they were
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  Speaker 2: aggressively pursuing people, making them take lie detector tests. You know,
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  Speaker 2: have you ever had sex with.
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  Speaker 6: Someone of the same gender? Have you ever gone to
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  Speaker 6: this bar?
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever, very much like the Nazis did after
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  Speaker 2: the brown shirts fell. And that was called the lavender scare.
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  Speaker 2: And it was when businesses, and not just government, but
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  Speaker 2: when businesses went through and purged LGBTQ people, it drove
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them in the closet. And there were
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  Speaker 2: a lot of lavender marriages, as they're called, just so
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  Speaker 2: they could bring the lovely wife to the dinners, but
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  Speaker 2: later on they were going off and seeing their boyfriend.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, it's happening again.
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  Speaker 2: The CIA, the FBI, they've all spent several decades getting
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  Speaker 2: away from the Lavender Scare, because those are the agencies
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  Speaker 2: where it took place. So they have been decades getting
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  Speaker 2: away from that, and now, under both terms of Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: they're actually going back to it.
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  Speaker 6: It is back in effect.
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  Speaker 2: And so I guess everything old is new again. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it won't end until Trump ends or his
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  Speaker 2: administration's over or until Congress or someone steps in and says,
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  Speaker 2: stop this. But unfortunately, the CIA and others are going
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  Speaker 2: to keep doing this. The CIA's LGBT group of Pride
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  Speaker 2: Month celebrations, an end to minority that they're banning. the
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  Speaker 2: CIA's LGBTQ group's.
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  Speaker 6: Pride Month celebration.
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  Speaker 2: They're putting an end to minority outreach and recruitment and
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  Speaker 2: the firing of officers for participating in diversity efforts or
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  Speaker 2: any transgender-related group.
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  Speaker 6: Chat, whether on or off the clock. It's the lavender scare.
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  Speaker 6: It's a witch hunt.
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  Speaker 2: And it's happening right now as we speak. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: It ended last time. It'll end again. But lives are
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  Speaker 2: going to be destroyed. People's careers are going to be
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  Speaker 2: ended for nothing. Because in our country, it goes the
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  Speaker 2: same way as it does in Ukraine. Baby boomers?
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  Speaker 6: No gay, no gay, no gay.
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  Speaker 2: Millennials? Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Or, I'm sorry, Gen X? Okay, gay okay.
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  Speaker 2: Millennials?
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Gay, really okay.
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  Speaker 2: Gen Y and Z, we're gay.
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  Speaker 6: You know, like 21%.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because 21% of them now identify as gay, with
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  Speaker 2: the majority of that being bisexual, by the way. Of
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  Speaker 2: the 21%, 16% identify as bisexual. The rest are gay, lesbian,
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  Speaker 2: or trans. But still, that number's a large number now, 21%.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it used to be like 5% to 7%.
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  Speaker 7: We're not quite bonobos. We're not quite bonobos, but.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: We're getting there. Not yet.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: So this will change, these lavender scares, these witch hunts
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: will change as the older people are removed from the agencies.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: And younger people are all for that. I mean, look
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: who's winning the elections around the country. It's young socialists, basically.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna break in a minute and a half,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: but the log cabin Republicans, the smallest group of self-loathing
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: queers known to politics, has decided to drop transgender from
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: LGBT to back Trump's policy.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: This is an alarming trend that's worldwide.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: There are gays in the UK, there are gays all over,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sure in the Ukraine, who are now trying to say,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I'm gay, I'm not trans, I'm not bi, I just
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: want the LG or the B. I just, I don't want,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you know, in fact, comedian Matt Matthews here in the
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: United States just pissed off a whole lot of gay followers,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: because he's gay, when he said, ain't no pronouns up
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: in my house, and if you're born with a tallywhacker,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you're a boy. So, you know, he basically climbed the
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: ladder that people like me, Marsha P. Johnson, and others
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: gave him the power, and now he is denouncing it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It's happening across the globe. And when we come back,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about Log Cabin. But more importantly, I will
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: tell you the why. Why they are doing this. I
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: know exactly why.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: They're doing it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: And why the right is actually encouraging.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Them to do it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: This Gay Week with Scott Jacobson and Terrell. We'll be
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: right back.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere.
• 21:35
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• 21:37
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• 21:53
  Speaker 3: You have to be proud with hatred.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, it's Karel. You know, Pride Month was rough
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: this year. We had a lot of hate heaped upon
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: us from Trump, from MAGA, and from other governments around
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the world. And if you are a trans person, you
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: are really going through a particular type of hell right now.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: That's why when I was thinking of my next single
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: in June, I sat down and I wrote, you have
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: to be proud. You have to be proud. With anger
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: so loud. Streaming everywhere. Keep fighting. Keep singing. Keep dancing.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: We're gonna win. We are back with This Gay Week
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: with Scott Jacobson of The Good Man Project and me, Carell.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I'm every bit LGBTQIA + +, baby. And we are
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: talking about the fact that the smallest group of self-loathing
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: queers in politics, better known as the Log Cabin Republicans,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: whom I've had several very interesting encounters with. Let me rephrase.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: They weren't interesting. They were frustrating. It was like trying
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: to teach math to a pig. It frustrated me and
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: pissed off the pig. But they have decided to drop transgender,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the T, from LGBTQ. They don't even have the Q.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to back Donald Trump's policy and to align with the
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: rollback of transgender rights since he returned to office. Scott,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: do you know why they're doing this and why they're
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: being encouraged by the right to do this?
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: Well, we can go back a little bit further than
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: that question is going to imply, because as you and
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: I have discussed a couple times, Mr. Trump didn't really
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: care and in fact was sort of passively supportive of
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: LGBT people. back in the day before it became politically expedient.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: And so this sort of builds into capitulation.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: No, I mean, yes, but no.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: It goes back to the Latin maxim, divide et imperia,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: which means, and by the way, Philip of Macedonia is
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: the one who probably first said it, and Julius Caesar
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: made it famous, divide and conquer. The LGBTQ plus community
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: is a voting block. It is an economic block. It
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: is a force with which to be reckoned because they
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: have to reckon with it. If you break that group
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: up into smaller factions, it's no longer as powerful. So
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the best way to get the group to be less
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: powerful and more fringe is to have them break themselves up.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And they have found young queers who have no sense
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: of history or obligation, to say, yeah, I'm not trans.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Why should I have them in my tent? You know,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not queer. You know, I'm not this. I'm not
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: even flamboyant. I don't like those old flamboyant gays. You know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and as I reminded people on my show, this is
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: not new. In the 1950s, one of the first organizations
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: ever started was called the Mattachine Society. It's in my
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: music video for You Have to Be Proud. And the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Mattachine Society thought that we would only get rights and
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: only win if we acted like them. So, women that joined, lesbians,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: had to wear dresses, had to wear skirts, couldn't wear pants,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: couldn't wear t-shirts, couldn't wear men's clothing, couldn't wear a
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: man's suit. They had to wear dresses. Gay men couldn't
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: be all flamboyant. They had to wear a suit and tie,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: which is what men wore in the 50s. So they
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: had to wear a suit and ties. They had to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: look like their straight counterparts. Public displays of affection were
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: discriminated against. Dancing together in public was frowned upon. And
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: this is from a gay group, a gay organization. It
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: was called the Mattachine Society. And so it is not
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: new to have a faction inside the gay community that says,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not that flamboyant queen.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: I'm not a drag queen. I'm not a this.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And they do it because they're so self-loathing and stupid
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: that they think if they appease the homophobes, in some
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: way it's going to be easier for them.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: They're idiots. They were idiots then. They're idiots now.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Our tent not only is big enough to include LGBTQIA,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: but it should include them all. Because every one of
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: those groups has gone to bat for a person with AIDS.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Every one of those groups has helped another letter of
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that group. Trans people have supported gay men. Trans people
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: have supported gay women. Gay women have supported gay men,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: certainly during AIDS. Gay women have supported trans people, queer people,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: bisexual people.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: We overlap.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: And to break us up is stupid. And it fits
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: the rights agenda. And they're too stupid to know it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: Is this why people were suspicious around terms like the
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: alphabet people? Or even individuals who have an insane amount
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: of content on it, like Dave Chappelle, were sort of
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: pushing this type of rhetoric as well.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: I.e., it's not a block. It is a set of
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: individual groups, and they're actually treated as such.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: This is more of a conservative capitulation to them.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yep. And they do it because divide and conquer.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: If you can break all those letters down, like bisexuals
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: are 16%. If you remove bisexuals from LGBTQ and it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: just LG, you know, and the bisexuals are like, well,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not a gay man.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: I'm not a trans.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Well, then you remove 16% of our voting block. You
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: remove 16% of our economic block. So it is not
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: an accident. And right wing are behind it. And idiot
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: gays are falling for it, just like they did in
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the 50s. And I'm sure in the 70s and the
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: 90s and every other decade, there's always been some conservative
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: gays who have said, well, but we're not like them.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: Yes, you are queer. You suck dick.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Move on. You know, so anyway. Another good story. You
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: found rather happy stories this week.
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: It was a good week. And I'm aware of the context.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: In Uganda, there is Project, is it? Oglas? Or Douglas?
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: Project Douglas. The Douglas. You can use Douglas Project or
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: the Peter Tatchell Foundation.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, the Peter Tatchell Foundation. They are funding LGBTQ safe houses.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: And that's incredible. The Douglas Project, coordinated with Out and
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Proud African LGBTI, will provide safe premises, food, support, farming
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: income to sustain the project, sport and music activities for
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: LGBT plus Ugandans facing homelessness, underemployment, poverty and social exclusion.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: The £ 15, 000 was raised from the foundation's appeal to friends
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and supporters earlier this year, including Sir Ian McKellen, who
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: presented a check to Opal outside the Uganda house in London.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Peter Tatchell and then the PTF operations manager, Simon Harris,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: coordinated the fundraiser.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Great news.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: You know, money raised. People that desperately need it are
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: going to get services. You know, that's good.
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Said that LGBTQ Ugandans are living under some of the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: harshest anti-gay laws in the world with maximum sentences of
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: life imprisonment and even execution by hanging. Many face rejection
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: by their families, eviction from their homes, and dismissal from
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: their schools and jobs. They suffer mob violence, police harassment, blackmail,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: sexual assault, homelessness, and poverty are widespread. We are proud
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: to fund the project which will provide housing, safe houses, employment,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: skills training, food, social and friendship networks.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: That is to the people, to queers in Uganda, that's
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: That's life-saving. It just is.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: It's broadcasting from a completely different point of view.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Yours.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Listen daily to.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: The Corelcast on your favorite streaming service. You're listening to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the Corelcast. Driving you home or driving you crazy.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: It's broadcasting from a completely different point of view.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Yours.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Listen daily to.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: The Corelcast on your favorite streaming service. You're listening to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the Corelcast. Driving you home or driving you crazy.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Stream I Dance Because on all services. The song is very,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: very personal to me. And the video now is very.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: Touching to me.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I cried the first time. Well, I cry all the time.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: But I cried the first time I saw it. We
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: all have somebody, whether it's someone that's passed from AIDS
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: or some other thing. We all have people that we
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: danced with. And that's why we dance. Stream I Dance
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Because on all services.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Now it's true.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: You have to be proud with hatred so loud. Oh, yes, honey.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: Got to get those ads in there for my own song.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Why not? Scott Jacobson, this gay week with Corelli is
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: in Kiev. We are talking about stories from around the world.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: We've had several good ones this week because, you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I said this the other day, Scott. So the Dolly
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: thing has really affected me. So I know when Streisand goes,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I'm really going to be a fucking mess. But it
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: affected me in profound ways. And I know that just
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: sounds really weird because I didn't know her. But I
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: know that, A, no one has said one bad thing
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: about her after her death. That's very special. When you
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: are one of the few people on planet Earth that
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: everybody likes, you're doing something right. And she really was
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: an optimist. She took bad situations, even her cancer. I
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: bet she didn't tell us because she probably said, I'll
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: beat it. And I'll just tell them I was feeling
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: a little sick. And if I don't beat it, I'll die.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: And then they'll know anyway. You know, so she was
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: always looking for the good. She was always looking to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: find middle ground to get along, to not judge, to
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: spread love and joy. She was such a talented songwriter.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: you know, a strong woman in entertainment. And I thought
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to myself, I want more of that. I want more
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: on my show and in life. I want to be happier.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And Dolly chose. It was a choice to be Dolly Parton.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: That was a lot of work, as she said. It
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: took a lot of money to look that cheap. And
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: she chose a life of campiness, joy, of non-judgment, of
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: helping others. Every day she helped somebody else. Every single
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: day she did some kind of charity work. And I
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: just thought to myself, I want to be more like
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: that and less angry and less mad at the world.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: The world has given me great reason to be mad
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: at it. And I think gay people, I think right now, gays, lesbians,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: especially trans, have a lot of reason to be discouraged
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: and to be angry at what's going on in the world.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: But anger is a choice. And as I age, I'm
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: starting to think maybe being more like Dolly wouldn't be
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: such a bad thing, you know, to channel it into
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: something good. And that's why the story from the Uganda,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: where in the UK, they're raising money for Ugandan safe houses.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: What could be more noble than that? I mean, that's
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: just such a wonderful thing to do. You know, so
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I think the world needs to be a little more Dolly.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And she would love, love this story. She would adore it.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: about a French senator slamming Christianophobia over a gay bar's
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: holy phallus party.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: She would just love a holy phallus party.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: So, where is this?
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: In France?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yes. French right-wing senator Stéphanie Ravier, who has never seen
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: a penis, sorry, I don't know that to be true,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: has accused a Marseille LGBTQ bar of it's in Marseille
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: for the love of God, of promoting unrestrained Christianophobia after
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: it hosted a satirical party on the Catholic feast of
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Assumption of the Virgin Mary with the Holy Phallus.
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: That's great.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: This came up in America with the Dodgers. So are
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: you familiar with the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence?
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: Is this the one from John Oliver?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Well, no, it goes back to 1980s, to AIDS.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: They wear the nun outfits with the white face makeup
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: and the big, huge eyes and cheeks, and they're very overdone.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: But they dress as nuns.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: And their names are like, you know, Sister Mary Take
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: It All and stuff like that. Well, the sisters were
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: being honored. They do a ton of charity work, a
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: ton of charity work. And they were being honored by
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers, and some right-wing Christians got wind, had a fit,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: so the Dodgers canceled it. And there was such backlash
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: that the Dodgers had.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: To redo it because the sisters do such good charity work.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: But the Catholic League didn't think so. But in the end,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the nuns with the makeup won.
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: So that's all that counts. All right, we'll be right
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: back and talk more about Holy Phalluses.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Holy Phallus, Batman!
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• 36:48
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• 36:57
  Speaker 2: You have to be.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Proud with hatred.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, it's Carell, and I want to invite you
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: to stream my new single, You Have to Be Proud,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: on Swishcraft Music.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: You Have to Be Proud, by Carell. Go stream it, go.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: March to it, go wave your rainbow flags and piss
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: off MAGA to it. Do whatever you need to do
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to remind yourself and others, we are stronger than ever,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: and they can't have our pride. You have to be strong.
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: Showtime is here.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: No time to fear.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Carell is so near because Showtime is here.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: So on with the show. Let's give it a go.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Carell is the one that you need to know.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: All praise the Holy Phallus.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: Sorry. We gays, we praise the phallus.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: All right, it is this gay week with Scott Jacobson,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: who did not know what he was stepping into this
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: week over there in Ukraine, in Kiev, in an undisclosed location.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: We keep him hidden away. We must protect him like
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: someone should have protected Dolly. And then Tim Curry. First
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Dolly and then Frankenfutter? Jesus Christ. If the universe wants
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: to kill 80-year-olds, there's one at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue that
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: it could take.
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: But whatever.
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: I got a question for you. Uh-huh. Do you think
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: culturally the Dolly death will be felt and is being
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: felt legally?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: As much as the Judy death?
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: The Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The way the Ruth Bader Ginsburg
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: death felt.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: No, I equate it to the way that Judy Garland felt.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: It is this generation's... Okay, so, youngster, let me explain
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: a few things. Let me gay-splain to you. I'll gay-splain
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: to you. Or queer-splain.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: Queer-splaining.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: One of the, some of the mythos, the mythology of Stonewall,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: and there is mythology of Stonewall, and some of it's
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: rooted in fact, and many things contributed to the Stonewall riots.
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: It wasn't just one thing.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: The village was very tense because of the Vietnam War.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't just gays in the village. There were
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: blacks who didn't want to go be drafted. There were
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: war resistors. There were the gays. There were the Italians
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: and the prostitutes because they were deemed lesser people. Uh,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: in fact, the Stonewall Inn was a mafia bar, uh,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: and it was a bar for degenerates. It was not
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: a bar for gays. It was not a gay bar.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: There were no gay bars. Uh, the Stonewall Inn was
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: a bar for drug addicts, prostitutes, drag queens, gay people. Uh,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: subsequently we still hang out with all those people because
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: there's so much fun. Um, So on this evening of 19,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: and the riots started the next morning at like 1 a.m.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: But on the.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Evening before, it was the day of Judy Garland's funeral.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: And queers were on edge that day because Judy had died.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: And Judy, to this generation of gays in the 1970s
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and 1960s, I'm sorry, 60s, late 60s, Judy was it, right?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, she was the Streisand. She was the, you know.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: In fact, the duet of Judy and Barbara is still
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: played and sung to this day because it was like
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: the older Judy passing the torch down to the 20-year-old Barbara.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: So when Judy died and her funeral happened, they were
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: at the Stonewall Inn watching Judy Garland's funeral. So they
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: were there that night watching her funeral. And they were
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: raw emotionally because of the funeral. So when the cops,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: now the cops would normally call the Stonewall Inn and tell.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: Them they were going to raid because they were on
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: the take.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: That night, the cops did not call ahead, which pissed
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: off the mob, by the way. And when they came
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: in and forced their way into the bar, the Queens
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: had already had enough. They were emotionally wrung out from
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Judy's death and from the funeral. And so they just
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: were in a state where they didn't want to take
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: any crap from anybody. And so there's part of this
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: mythology around Stonewall that Judy Garland's death contributed to the
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: start of the riots. And it's a pretty good theory.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: It holds up.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: It's held up over all these years. I think Dolly
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: Parton's death.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Is to a younger generation of gays. And some of
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the olders that know Judy Garland, because she was 80
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: after all. You know, I certainly grew up with her
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: and I'm a technical baby boomer. Even though I was
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: born in 66 and I'm really a Gen Xer. But,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: so I think to Gen X gays and even millennial gays,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: it's a big deal that she died.
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: It's a very big deal.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Uh, When Barbara dies, it'll be baby boomers that, you know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: freak out. When Diana Ross dies, I don't know. Diana's
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: amassed a huge young gay following. On TikTok and Instagram,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I see so many young gays that are going to
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: see her now.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: And she's 82 and fabulous.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: And so, but yes, when one of our divas dies,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: it does change. Like, okay, so today on K Gay
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Radio in Palm Springs, the only LGBTQ station in the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: country that's, you know, 24-7, Their lunchtime was Dolly Parton remixes.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Last night at 7 o'clock in Palm Springs, there was
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: a candlelight vigil for Dolly Parton. I would not have
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: gone as it was 107 degrees outside. But in San Francisco,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: there was candlelight vigils for Dolly Parton. In New York,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: in the village, last night, and tonight, and this weekend,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: there are vigils planned in the gay community for Dolly Parton.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: RuPaul's Drag Race did an entire Dolly Parton-themed show where
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: every queen had to be Dolly Parton.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, it is a big deal culturally that she's dead.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: It's a big deal. And it will change things.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Just today, we had Dolly Parton, or yesterday, sorry, Thursday.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: What is today? Today's Thursday. Just yesterday, Wednesday, we had
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: a judge citing Dolly Parton in a ruling to strike
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: down a drag band. So, if that's not cultural... you know, gravity.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. So it's a big deal.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Not as big as the Holy Phallus. Okay. The event's
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: promotional material presented it as a humorous celebration featuring a
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: mock blessing by the Holy Phallus followed by a quiz
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: on the sexuality of religious figures. There were gay religious figures.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's rumored Joan of Arc was a lesbian.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at her, for the love of God.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And Jesus, I mean, he roamed the desert for 30
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: days with men in robes. Probably no underwear, because they
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: would get ripe out there in the desert. It had
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: a drag show and a DJ set. In an Instagram
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: post cited by La Depeche du Midi, The organizers, which
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I could have just swore, the organizers wrote that August
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: 15th was the day Catholics headed to Lourdes and proposed
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: reclaiming the date for their own purposes. That did not
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: sit well, having it on that date with the far
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: right wing Ravier.
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: She criticized the political background of people.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Associated with the establishment, making allegations about their links to
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the French left and to anti-fascist activism. She's better be
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: careful because, as I recall, France still has the guillotine.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And I believe it was the far left that used
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: them on the far right. So if I were her,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I'd be ixnay on the fallacy. But, you know, that's
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: just me. I find that story amusing, which is why
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I thought we should do it. It's not a bad story.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, it'd be the same thing over here as,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: you know, pissing off Pete Hagsbreath or something.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: Oh, sure.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Now, do we want to go to Serbia?
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: Do you want to go to Serbia? You ever been
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: to Serbia?
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: I was there this year. I was there this year
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: for a big conference. I gave a 15, 20-minute talk.
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: I don't know if it's out yet, but it has
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: this whole... Are you TED-talking in Serbia? It was a conference.
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: I was maybe one of the only Canadians there, or
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: at least even North Americans there. Maybe one or two
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: were there.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Boy, your country is getting more and more pissed at
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: us every day.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: General sentiment is that way, but not everyone. There are
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: some capitulators. In the Serbian case, there's this whole issue
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: of kids that were trafficked in Soviet times and immediate
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: post-Soviet times. It's a very complicated story, but it's not
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: relevant to our subject matter today.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: So, I'm such a journalist. I go off on tangents.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Everything's relevant to me. So, Belgrade has had pride events.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: They started about 25 years ago, 2001. Um, and, uh, the,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the headline says, yeah, good for them. Uh, room for
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: all question mark, LGBT pride caravan. Notice how the rest
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: of the world isn't doing QIA. They're all just doing LGBT.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Every story you've sent me has been LGBT, um, which
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: is intentional. FYI. Um, room for all LGBT pride caravan
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: meets with hostility in small town Serbia. Um, So in mid-July,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: gay activists in Serbia headed for the southeastern town of Piro,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the second leg of this year's Pride Caravan, to raise
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: awareness about gay issues and protest widespread discrimination. It's a
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: two-hour drive from Vranje. Am I saying that right? Vranje?
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've been.
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: How do they pronounce it?
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Vranje. Vranje.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Ron yeah, okay with the why okay.
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: That so they're they're J's presence like why.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: So it's why so it's Ron yay Where their first
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: ever passed without incident despite threats posted in advance on
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: social media much like in Long Beach the gay float
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Which received threats on social media they held it anyway,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: and it went it went fine The caravan never made
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: it into Perot however on the town's outskirts. They were
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: stopped by police and who warned them that the opponents
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: of the event were waiting for them on the Central
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Warrior Square. The police said, we can't arrest everyone. They
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: are peaceful citizens. They're not doing anything at the moment. However,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: should you proceed, we fear that will change. You know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: what religions in Serbia?
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: Catholic?
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: Christianity. Serbian Orthodox church is pretty big.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm not surprised that in small town Serbia that
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: this would happen. Um, you know, there's a great line
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: in Priscilla Queen of the Desert, which is getting a
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: sequel being filmed next year. Yay. I don't know how
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: they'll do without Terrence Stamp, how they'll address him being gone.
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: Um, it'll be funny to see them all old.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Uh, Guy Pearce, he was the hot youngie, you know,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: now he won't be.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: He'll be the old wise one. Um, you have seen Priscilla,
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: haven't you?
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: No. But I love hearing your Hollywood stories and your
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: movie stories.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I know. I know.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: Priscilla, Queen of the Desert? You've never, ever, ever seen it?
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: Nope.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I like the process. I'm not even sure I can
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: process that.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Is one of the best movies to have ever been made.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: from Australia about three cocks in frocks trying to get
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: to the top of Ayers Mountain. It's a story of
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: compassion and homophobia. It's the story of love of all kinds.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: And there are some, it's what brought us Guy Pearce,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: the actor, Guy Pearce, Terrence Stamp is in it as
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: a tranny, which is a transgendered person, which is fabulous.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: And then what's his name from The Matrix? You know,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the villain in The Matrix. You know, he's bald.
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: Hugo Weaving.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, Hugo Weaving is a drag queen, a big old
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: drag queen. And it's a fabulous movie. I insist you
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: seek out Priscilla, Queen of the Desert and watch it
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: because they're making a sequel. But there is a line
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: that Hugo Weaving and Terrence Stamp say to the young
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Guy Pearce after they break down in a little town
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: because it's all about a bus trip. Priscilla is the
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: name of their bus. And it's all about a bus
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: trip across the deepest, darkest parts of Australia. And they
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: get to a very small mining community and their bus
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: breaks down. they decide to go out to a bar
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: that night. There's only one bar, and it's not a
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: gay bar. And they go in drag. And they're spectacular.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: You know, they're just fabulous. And the Guy Pearce character
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: can pass for real and is very attractive. So he
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: gets a sexual encounter, which goes very.
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: Bad when they realize he's a guy. And he gets beaten.
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: He gets fag-bashed.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: And so Terrence Stamp says to Hugo Weaving, and they
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: sit by bedside with Guy Pearce, and they say, they
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: talk about the city, you know, the big city center, Melbourne, Sydney.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: And they say, I'm not sure if the walls of
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: the city are there to keep us in or to
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: keep them out. Them being the homophobes and the people
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: who would harm and kill you. And I thought of
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: that because of small town Serbia. You know, in large
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: cities in Serbia, there's obviously been LGBTQ advancement. They've had
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Pride events for 25 years. But in the smaller cities,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: it's still very dangerous to be gay. And the cops
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: knew it, so they told these guys, hey, don't bring
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: your caravan into town. And it just makes me realize
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: that as a gay person, even though cities aren't the safest,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: we are still safer in larger cities than we are
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: in rural areas. because they tend to be more conservative
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: and more religious.
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: I get the biggest pushback in any conversation and support
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: of LGBTQI +, from basically three groups. Traditionally for me,
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: ultra-religious communities, that's quite natural. Rural communities. or individuals, regardless
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: of socioeconomics, you know, some family from nine-figure family, literally,
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: down to poor, who grew up ideologically or familially cloistered,
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: which produces... Or in the South.
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: Or in the South.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: We will finish up on this day week with Scott
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Jacobson and me, Corral, don't forget me, right after this.
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: Patriot!
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: Now remember, the word is F-U-N-K, funk. Honey, do you
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: wanna funk?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Do you wanna funk? Do you, do you, do you?
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: Do you, do you, do you? Do you, do you,
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: do you?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's Carell. Go stream Do You Wanna Funk? My
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: tribute to Sylvester. Everywhere you get your music. Carell, do
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: you wanna funk?
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: Now it's showtime.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: All right, we are back.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: Vegas behind me, burning up. And not for your love.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: For your money, for your cash. It's burning up. It's
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: literally 109 outside. It breaks on Monday.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: I just, I so can't wait. It's only going to
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: be 98 during the day and 77 in the morning.
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: I'm very excited.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: We're finishing up this gay week. We were going to
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: go a half hour, but I can't only talk to
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Scott for a half hour. Besides, he called it this
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: gay week, W-E-A-K, if we did 30 minutes.
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: And I was like, I.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Will not have it.
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: A couple things before we go.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I know it's totally off topic, but I haven't been
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: on air since yesterday, Wednesday. The devastation in Nepal is.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: Out of a movie.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I saw a video on Aaron Parnas' feed where literally
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: not just a wall of water, but like a 40-foot
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: wall of water just washed over people who are now dead.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: And gay, straight, bi, it doesn't matter. That's a horrific tragedy.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: My heart goes out to them. I know Scott's heart
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: goes out to them. I hope that they are able
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: to find survivors, and it's just a terrible tragedy. I
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: wanted to say that on today's show because I won't
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: be back until Monday, and my heart aches for the
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: people at the Nepal-Tibetan border. These are people who are
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: often on a spiritual journey of some kind or something.
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: These are interesting, nice Buddhists who have been swept away.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Hundreds of tourists, including people from the United States, in
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the UK and Canada. So a dozen of Canadian mission,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: dozens of US and Canadian citizens are missing after flash
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: flooding in Nepal. I'm in Las Vegas. He's in Ukraine,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: but he's from Canada. We all have compadres who might've
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: been killed there.
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: And I just, my heart goes out to them.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: We were talking about rural and the safety that LGBTQ
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: people face. I think that when we, it's been very
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: great doing positive stories this week.
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: And thank you for that, Scott.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: But one of the things I think we don't emphasize
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: enough is when we do these stories from around the globe,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: and some of them are really bad, they are often
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: from rural communities, small little countries, or isolated places. Like,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: we are still, this show will chart in Sierra Leone.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: I have not gone lower than number 20 on the
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: chart in Sierra Leone in three weeks. Three weeks, I've
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: been in the top 20. Every one of my days,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: every one of my shows, including this gay week, which
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: is really interesting to me because Sierra Leone only has
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: one gay protection. That's for workplace, and it's barely enforced.
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: And then the rest, it's not a good situation.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: And in rural cities in Sierra Leone, it's really not
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: a good situation. And so it's always the smaller communities
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: that are the challenge. That's the same thing here in
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: the United States. You know, Las Vegas, 3 million people
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: being gay here, is it a big deal? Sometimes, but
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: not for the most part, no. But go to Tonopah,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: you know, go to Carson City. go to Reno, which
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: are much smaller cities. And yeah, being gay is still
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: an issue in Nevada, even though you would think not.
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: Well, there's a, I mean, the response I get also
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: to continue my PowerPoint building on yours to those three
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: categories I mentioned, it's also the dismissiveness is that it's seen,
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: they'll see it as like, since I'm from Canada, well,
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: that's just a Western thing. We don't want you imposing
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: LGBT on, fill in the blank place, or you're from
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: the big city, or you're some elite intellectual types or
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: whatever it might be. And it's as if they don't
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: have gay people in rural places, in every region of
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: the world. Right.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I mentioned that comic Matt Matthews. He lives on
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: a farm somewhere with farm animals and shit, and he's gay.
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: You know, Tennessee is a homophobic state. Nashville is filled
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: with gays, and so are the rural areas, and there's
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: gay farmers. There's a whole gay farming community we found
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: out here on the show. Remember? The gay farmers. Who knew? Yeah.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: You know, so, yeah, we're everywhere. We'll end with a
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: story from your country.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Uh....
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Your real country, not the one you're currently in. Canada's
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Thunderhead Monument is slated to be unveiled in Ottawa, which
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I couldn't point to on a map, but let me look.
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: Okay, I see it now.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Ottawa, on Friday, that's tomorrow, recognizing the harm caused by
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: the Canadian government's historic and systemic discrimination against the queer community.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: The monument is also a vision that was brought to
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: life by a team of Winnipeggers. They won an international
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: design competition to start the design of... of the monument.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: And they are, in fact, Shauna Dempsey and Lori Milan.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: If they're not lesbians, they should change their hairstyles because
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: they have shorter gray hair just like me. The monument
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: depicts the strength, hope, and resilience of queer communities in Canada,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: including the Indigenous. And Canada is putting up a monument
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: to say, we're sorry. We treated you like shit. We
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: know it, and we're sorry. That's pretty cool. It's great.
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: It's a good... Well, I mean, Canada's pretty good on
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: these issues now. And this is a continuing... moment of
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: a good trend. As with any country, they can always
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: go back. So I'm a little bit hesitant.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Well, because you guys had your lavender scare, that you
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: had a lavender scare in Canada. It was the LGBT Purge,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: a systematic decade-long campaign by the Canadian government to identify
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: and expel thousands of queer members of the Canadian Armed Forces,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: the RCMP, and members of the Federal Public Service between
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: 1950 and 1990. That is exactly what the Lavender Scare
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: was here.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: This is where you taught me, but we had a
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: story about this at one point, and this is where
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  Speaker 7: you taught me about it. See, this is why I
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  Speaker 7: like talking to experts. This is great. I learn so
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  Speaker 7: much from experts.
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  Speaker 2: You guys had the LGBTQ purge. We had the lavender scare.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't keep it up until the 90s. It did
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  Speaker 2: start in the 50s. It ended in the 70s. Well, no, 80s. No,
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  Speaker 2: that was Reagan.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe we did go through the 90s.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you and maybe Canada and us are... One and
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  Speaker 2: the same. A class action lawsuit was launched in 2016
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  Speaker 2: against the federal government over the purge and a settlement
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  Speaker 2: was reached in 2018. I don't suppose we could sue
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  Speaker 2: the federal government here. In addition to compensating survivors, the
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  Speaker 2: LGBTQ Purge Fund was established a non-profit corporation to manage
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  Speaker 2: the funds of the settlements that were dedicated to reconciliation
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  Speaker 2: and the memorialization effort. The Thunderbird Monument is the first
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  Speaker 2: of its kind in the fucking world. It's broadcasting from
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  Speaker 2: a completely different point of view. Oh, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to end there. Stop. Stop the presence.
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  Speaker 8: Stop.
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  Speaker 2: Listen daily to the correct. The first of its kind
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  Speaker 2: in the world. Like, Canada is leading the way in
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  Speaker 2: the apologist movement.
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  Speaker 6: And I say good for you.
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  Speaker 7: A big thing also, this is helpful. We now have data.
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  Speaker 7: There was the purge. Lavender skip.
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  Speaker 5: In Canada.
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  Speaker 7: Fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 7: Part two of this is there was pushback with a
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  Speaker 7: lawsuit in 2016. The timeline set is 10 years in
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  Speaker 7: a functional democracy for something like this. That's data.
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  Speaker 2: And that's right when it happened. 2016 lawsuit, 2026 monument.
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  Speaker 7: So this is helpful for societies that may be with
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  Speaker 7: less functional democracies or less responsive institutions.
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  Speaker 2: Trump leaves in 2028, so are you telling me that
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  Speaker 2: I've got to wait until 2038, until I'm 73, to
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  Speaker 2: start seeing some positivity again in the United States gay community?
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  Speaker 7: The United States is famously adaptable and rapid-changing, but It
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  Speaker 7: could happen sooner. I want cash.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck that.
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  Speaker 6: I want cash.
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  Speaker 2: I want money for what Donald put me through.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I am Kirill. Be who you want to be. So
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  Speaker 2: I didn't hurt anybody. Thanks to Scott Jacobson with the
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  Speaker 2: Good Man Project. He, of course, is in Ukraine. And
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  Speaker 2: thank him for joining us in Ukraine. And wait, I
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  Speaker 2: think if I cue this segment six, it's.
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  Speaker 6: Going to be wrong.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to do that. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to have us go out to... I'm going to try
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  Speaker 2: to have us go out to commercials, but we'll see
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  Speaker 2: if I fake it or not. We'll see you next week.
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