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21. (S1E21) Creating From Your Own Heart with Lisa Winneke · FINE is a 4-Letter Word

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Hello and welcome to Fine is a 4 Letter Word. My guest today
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is Lisa Winneke. I am so honored to have you on the show,
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and as I mentioned before we started recording, you are my very first
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Australian guest. Deletion. Thank you. Ana did feel that way. I didn't it.
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Yes. Thank me. I'm eager to have you share your story with us,
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and let's start out with, Tell me what values or beliefs were instilled
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in you as you were growing up that then played out as you
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got older. Oh, what a question. The values that were in still great,
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I know my values now, which I wasn't aligned with until the last,
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I'd say five or six years, the values of hard work,
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which we're instilling Me, but I chose not to actually
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go along with those values, the value of discipline.
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That was something that has stuck with me
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throughout... It's an interesting question, Mary, because it's really having
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me see that the values that I have...
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That are my values. Why? My childhood and teenage life and my adult
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life for a large part with so why I was so disconnected because
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they were so dialing... Mis aligned with the values that are true for
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me. So the ones that your family were teaching you were not aligned
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with what was true to you... That's right. So
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for example, I don't know if I would say if it was a
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value, but... So one of my highest values is honesty,
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now, growing up, I grew up in a home where
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that wasn't valued, there was a lot of secrets, a lot of secrets,
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secrets that I was aware of, secrets that one of my parents might
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not have been aware of, so that was something that was so in
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misalignment to who I was, which is why it's so integral in what
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I do and what I share that I'm honest, that who I show
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up is the person that actually is me inside, and integrity is also
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a couple with that interesting. When did you
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pick that up? Was it when you were a child? Still,
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no. Now, where my value is, when I really got a line,
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when I really got clear on my values, not my value is those
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values, we really became clear as I started to go on my own
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healing journey, as I shared with you, through this process of healing from
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bulimia, which had experienced for 20 years and depression and a disconnect,
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and as I started to reconnect with myself and understand and know
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who I was, then it became clear about the things that actually were
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most important, and I was able to look at how I behaved in
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the choices that I made and when I felt most in alignment and
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that gave me insights into what I value the most,
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and also what I got and also when I got triggered by...
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So what triggers me are people being dishonest, people not being in integrity,
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people showing up as something other than who they are,
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so I could then really hone in and get what I valued
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the most and then commit to those... To living those values,
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because by committing to living those values, then that meant that I was
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living in alignment with me. Yeah, yeah. Did life get easier when you
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started doing that... Yeah, that didn't answer your question per se,
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did it because... And I'm sorry because that actually is...
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That is something I really will go back and reflect on as to
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what values that were instilled in me, because I feel like I've...
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I really feel like I've thrown a lot of it out and I
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did as a teenager, I rebuild so much.
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So, yes. So going back to that question you just asked me.
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Yeah, okay, but you just... So one of the things you just mentioned
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about dealing with bulimia for 20 years, what...
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Is that related in any way to that family,
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those family dynamics as. We all can looking back, and I put the
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pieces together when I wrote them, when I wrote my book,
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the donor hope, which I wrote about five years ago,
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and understanding of course, 'cause there's no blame, I like us to prefecture,
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there is no blame that our parents were always doing the best that
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they could, but I grew up in a... Yes, I grew up in
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a home that I struggle with the secrets analytes.
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And I didn't feel part of the family unit.
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I felt misaligned. I, I remember when I was a really young child
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lying in bed and questioning How did I end up in this family...
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I think I was five, five or six years old who chose this
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for me, because at that age, I was already feeling not part of
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the family unit, and so I didn't feel like I belonged,
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so then obviously that manifested over a period of 10 years and by
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the time I got to 18, I was so disconnected from myself,
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so disconnected from my family, I didn't know where I belonged,
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I didn't feel safe anywhere or with me, that that was the manifestation
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of all of that pain and heartache and broken heartedness.
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Yeah, yeah. So I'm so curious about the secret. So I don't want
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you to tell me all of them, but...
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Were you biologically born into that family? As I was,
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okay. Oh. Everyone says I look like my mother. Yes,
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yes. So I've got great relationships with them now, great relationships
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with them now, and this has been The Life of my life's work,
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and I understand now that I was born into that family in order
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to heal through relationship. Okay, now, the reason I asked it,
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and I was almost not gonna ask it, but I had to ask
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it because you felt like you didn't belong, so I was just wondering
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if... 'cause sometimes adopted children feel that way,
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and so I was just wondering where that may be someone you can
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say Back off... No, no, no. And it's more so in respect for
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my family, it's something that in the past that I felt like I
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needed to speak my truth, but I understand now, it's also maintaining my
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relationships with my family, so I very much look like my mother,
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I think it was just that I felt like the black sheep in
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the family. I think highly in tune with the things going on around
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me, I'm like, Why can't people see what I'm seeing,
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Why can't my siblings see what I'm seeing, why Can everyone else see
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what I am seeing that this is why up my parents see what's
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going on inside their relationship and look, that's not to say that they
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couldn't. But at the time... As a young child, I feel like the
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way I saw the world and the way I saw sings was not
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the way that they saw. It. Yeah, isn't it interesting because I had
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a similar experience, I would fight with my parents all the time about
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religion, the religion I was raised in, and I did not...
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I didn't feel like it fit me, and so we would argue all
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the time, and I'm like, How can you not see what kind of
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like what you were saying? But I felt discounted because you're only a
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kid. Right, so how could you... It was almost like,
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Well, you don't know what you're talking about, 'cause you're just a kid,
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you don't know what... Right, yet, we are gonna make the decisions for
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you because you're only 11 or 12 or whatever.
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And that's where the past that's being taken away and we forget how
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powerful we are, because as we know with kids... I mean,
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I look at my kids, they're more connected, especially when we're younger,
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we're more connected to something greater than we haven't gone into the
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go extent that we find ourselves in as adults, and so they are
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actually... I look at my kids, my kids. My greatest teachers,
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they have been my greatest teachers and continue to be...
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And it's interesting, it reminds me of I was in conversation with a
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guy on my podcast side, and he was a black guy,
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and it was a rapper, and he was saying... He was young,
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but all my God, so wise. And he was saying, Oh,
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he was telling me a story about his six year old niece that
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was sharing something profound about the way that inequality and he said,
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Don't let anyone ever tell you that your opinion and what you say
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doesn't camp because you are the leader you are the future
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of the world. And if we look at the state of the world
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right now, our kids, that generation, they're the leaders coming through
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and what they're experiencing and what they're witnessing, I'll be fascinated
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to see how the world changes as a result of them leaving through
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a pandemic. Yes. Because again, going back to the question I asked you,
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these are the values and circumstances that they're growing up with,
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so of course they can't help but influence how they
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become as adults, how they operate. And how they change the world,
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how they change the way that we educated big institutions, employment,
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it's gonna be very... It's gonna be fascinating. Yeah. Well, in every generation
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says that. About the kids who, right. Of course, this is a
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different different than our generation was growing up with, for sure.
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And they're gonna be far more resilient as a result,
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but then there's also the contrast and the polarity of there's gonna be
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a lot more mental illness, anxiety, depression as a result of these external
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circumstances. So it's a really interesting, 'cause I think we shared it
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when we connected was one of the reasons why
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I felt so compelled to follow that node three years ago that had
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me choose to leave my marriage, was to leave a legacy for my
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boys, and the legacy of what it looks like and
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what it looks like to live from our whole hearts,
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and so I know in doing that, that the values that I'm instilling,
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that they can see is the value of living
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in alignment with what is highest and best from our whole hearts the
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value of courage, the value of honesty and the value of integrity...
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Values are such a big part of what I do and actually the
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work that I do with clients now, because when we actually know how...
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When we know what our values are and we commit to them,
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life really does get easier and more peaceful and more enjoy and inflow.
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Yeah, yeah. And that's the thing, is that it's the matter of getting
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clear, once you have that clarity, you can move forward with purpose and
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confidence and courage, not that it's gonna be a piece of cake necessarily,
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it's still gonna be challenging, but you have this certainty in you...
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That you know you're moving in the right direction. Yeah, and you and
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I work with clients on that too, in the program that I run,
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the F being fine and having experience. Yeah,
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but helping people from start out, getting clarity and then taking them
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through 'cause there's really nothing else you can do
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if you don't have clarity, like everything I feel like comes from that
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place... Right, that's what you're saying too. Getting clear on your values,
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getting clear on your values, getting clear on and what is pulling you
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out of being an alignment, getting clear on your beliefs like you were
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sharing before, because as we know, we're either creating from belief,
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so we're creating from heart, so clear, clear clear the more...
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The clearer I got, the more aware I got of me and what
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let me up, what pulled me out of my center...
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What were those stories that I've been telling myself? The more clear I
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got, like the more I knew me, the more I could be with
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me, the more I could honor me, the more I could back me,
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then that transformed and continues to transform into the way that I show
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up, particularly in relationship. Yes, yes. And teasing out
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your values versus those values that were instilled in you by other people
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who are... That are not your values, that are somebody else's values,
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but they were programmed into you. Yeah. So
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certainly the value of hard work, which I've completely...
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I've had to... I'm still breaking away because it's interesting that one
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of the things in lock down that's showing me is that I'm still...
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There's still something that that is underneath the surface that's telling
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me driving me that I need to be doing more,
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because I've grown up in a family where it's all about achieving success,
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and so to be an entrepreneur and to be in a state of
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flow where life is working for you, which is the complete antithesis of
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working hard, I'm still bumping up against that. I am with you,
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Lisa. And then add on top of that, I'm a Capricorn,
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so mountain goats were always climbing... It's difficult.
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Yeah, and. Conscious awareness, but that conscious awareness and that clarity
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on what the things that have us, that have had us being driven,
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motivated, unconsciously is what then helps us to change that quick and
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that refractory period where we can return to
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being in alignment. Yeah, and isn't it interesting that awareness is just
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the first step because clearly you and I are both aware
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and we're still... And I'm sure many of my listeners as well still
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doing the thing, we're still pushing ourselves to work harder and achieve
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more and be more productive, and even though we know
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that being in the flow is the better way to be the more
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natural... And so is not the dance of remembering and forgetting,
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and so even as you're saying that might like My hack and feel
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my heart opening because I... It's the remembering. And then each time I
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remember, that's where I was and I am compassionate and so soft and
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gentle with myself... I love that. Okay, we are. It's okay.
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And then hands again on my body or my heart, during like I
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just really wanna know. You call that, and every time I catch myself
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out of my center, out of my heart, it's another opportunity to expand
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more into love of self and a state of love.
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So it's a dance, isn't it? Yes, yes, and I'm remembering something that
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you said in our conversation earlier about the legacy that you wanted to
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leave or that you want to leave, it
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stems from a leading from the heart, that is absolutely...
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I am getting emotional again, but I had to be so disconnected,
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so actually disconnected from self and heart to know the contrast,
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to know what it felt like to know the experience of walking the
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path back home, that is such an important point you're making...
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Because I could read it. We can all read how to do it,
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but to do each full self to experience it, to know how hard
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it is, the challenges you're gonna bump up against the stories you're gonna
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get bumped up against the fear you're gonna bump up...
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Stood shared a Zen problem with me last week after I shared my
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story, and he said, the obstacles are not of the party,
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obstacles are the path, and I really love that because it's that reminder
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that life is always happening us and those obstacles are the gifts for
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us to go back to return, to extract the wisdom from them,
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through the healing, through the meeting, essentially the healing is in
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these stories we love and compassion and presence.
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And I would add potentially welcoming, welcoming the obstacles
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as a gift, as difficult as that sounds like it would be,
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admittedly. But what if we could look at it that way.
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Which I think it happens the more we cultivate the practice of returning
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to the obstacle guy... Oh my goodness, if it wasn't for that,
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I would not be... If it wasn't for every single obstacle along the
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way, you and I would not be in conversation, I would not be
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enjoying the connections that I now have with people, I would not be
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feeling more and more in Flow, I would not be able to meet
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my humanity in a way that I can... If it wasn't for every
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single step along the way, I would not be parenting my boys in
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a way that I feel... I'm changing the way... One of my mentors,
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and I've worked with her, is really healing generational wounds and passions
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in order to transform the way generations, 'cause as I change past generations,
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future generations change all at the same time.
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So I know that the work that I'm doing on myself in healing
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these patterns is changing in both directions, past and future, and that
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for me feels that that's the legacy. That is
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such a good point. And just goosebumps because that's so...
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Yeah, profound sounds a little dramatic, but really it is.
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And it's then when we can really get that as we
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heal our patterns and our wounds, that that actually is what we all
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want as parents, as love as his friends, is to be the greatest
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friend... The greatest lover, the greatest parent. So there is no question
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whatsoever by doing the work on self, that actually that is the greatest
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gift right now in the world that we can be joined the greatest...
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It is the greatest, yes. That changes the perspective on how you see
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everything that happens, so when you look at
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past relationships, past pretty much relationships, whether it's a spouse
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with a spouse with a parent, with people at a career,
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whatever, healing those or... Yeah, healing yourself. Heal those relationships,
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but I love what you just said about
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you wouldn't be doing this work if it weren't for those relationships happening
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in the first place... It's a whole different
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way of looking at it. Yeah, it's more compassionate.
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I was sharing with you before we jumped on recording that we're back
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in it... We're back in lock down in Melbourne and homeschooling,
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and there is a lot of tension in the home
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because I've got three boys and they've had months and months and months
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of homeschooling, and one of my boys is in his own internal world,
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he's got lots of stuff that he is going to have to work
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through if he chooses to work through it in this lifetime,
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but because of the tension, it's triggering his
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pain, and so I'm the one that gets attacked, and so what I'm
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seeing now is somebody sitting at... I hope you're being really kind and
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compassionate with yourself, I'm like, Oh, it's another opportunity to up
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level, because it's not to say that his words are not hurting because
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I've obviously taken personally, but it's actually my body 'cause I'm an
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impact and I'm a high, highly sensitive but it's, how can I...
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How can I hold space for my feeling as well as holding space
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for his pain in a house where we can't necessarily escape,
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it's like a pressure or... But I know there is a gift,
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when I remember and come back to center, I know that there's a
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gift for me to expand into more compassion
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and being more compassionate with me, for me, it was taking myself off,
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saying... Not saying a word. There was nothing to say, Close my dog,
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I'm going to meditate. Compassionate to me. Returning to me holding myself,
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touching my body... Okay, doing, I know that felt really, really,
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really hurtful, that felt like you were being attacked and you felt rejected...
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I've got you. I'm not rejecting you, like just returning,
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then softening into myself to then be able to within half and hour
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go out and hold space for him. And you know what,
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he never comes back and apologizes, and I've had to work around that
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because I was raised saying If you ever did anything wrong,
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you go and apologize, and so I just learned to do that,
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but I have a son that doesn't choose to do that,
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but then he changes his actions and he's saying, Thank you so much,
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that was a dilution derail, you don't have to drive me here and
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I know... And so the last thing I'm going to do,
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'cause I know what that was like. I was his 17 year old
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spraying my pain on to my parents, now I'm transforming it because I'm
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not responding, I'm not responding with my own fear, my own hurt,
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my projection of my own pain back onto him, which explodes,
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I'm transmitting it by loving him and showing him, that no matter where
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he is, no matter what he does to me, I
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still love him. Yese, yes. You just mentioned meditation.
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What are the tools that you have used
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to move from where you were when everything was just fine,
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to where you are now... Whoa, okay. So what the tools that I
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use for me, so not the tools that I can get from somebody
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else. Okay, so meditation. You use meditation. So meditation, so
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I use kinesiology, that was somebody outside of me, but then I went
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and trained as a kinesiology, so that became a qualification 'cause I needed
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it for my own journey. Meditation, I've been meditating for 89 years now,
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and I have a mantra, so I'm a valid meditator, that is my
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go to, and I meditate 20 minutes twice a day. I crave,
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especially right now, it's almost like I'm craving more of that,
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more of just to return, because I know that the more I can
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do that, the more a leader, that I can be
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more grounded, more centers in my heart, so meditation.
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Breath is huge, and breath for me is just returning to breath constantly
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throughout the day, and then my heart practice, which is an ongoing
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throughout the day, I'm constantly... My hand is often back on my chest,
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returning... Centering, how can I see this differently?
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I'm here, whatever it is. It's returning to heat. Returning to her for
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me is, it's just... It happens so often during the day,
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it's such a practice, such a habit of mine.
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And then I have AFT, which I use when if I'm in a
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really heightened state, I'm an EFT practitioners self him in a really Hidatsa,
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I'll use that. I use essential oils. I feel like I'm a yes
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and a big part, which I've now gone back to his movement.
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So when I was separating almost three years ago,
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I could not see meditate, my body was in such a state of
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turmoil that I was like, I cannot actually sit still... This is not
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serving me. So I use music and movement to actually move and process
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the emotions that I was feeling, and it was powerful, I'd always love
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dancing and music from a very early young age, but I'd forgotten it,
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and so it really came back very powerfully,
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and as I'm approaching my 50th next week and also the default,
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my divorce date, there's been quite a bit of grief that's come up,
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as I share with you when we were last talked,
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and I've gone back to moving my body and using music daily,
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and again, it has been really potent. But
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my daily is meditation and Brest and Hotham daily daily practices.
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The music and the movement that... Is there a specific music that you
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use, it's just something that you... Because the reason I'm asking is because
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it's reminding me of when I was in college, my roommate and I
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would be studying and you know, late at night and were tired of
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reading the same pages over and over again, and we would take a
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dance break and one in just crank up a song
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and dance around the room, nobody saw, it's just The dew of us
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looking like crazy loons, and then we would go back to studying...
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Is it like that or is there something more to it?
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So. I... So when I first started using the music,
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so my separation, I'd been to a Dr. Jospin, a retreat,
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and we were given... We were able to access the players that they
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used, now the playlist contained music of older ones, all types,
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so there was stuff that was very meditative, but
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even the meditator stuff I used as movement. Active movement. So what it
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did, what this play I did was actually I was so in tune
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where I was... It was like when a song would come on,
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I would be able to tune into whatever it was, and a memory
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or a feeling would evoke and I would move with that,
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I would move with the memory, I would move with the feeling coming
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up in my body, and that might... There were times that I'd be
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on the ground sobbing because of what I going through, and then 15
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minutes later they'd be an upbeat song, and it was just the right
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time, it wasn't like I was forcing myself to feel up,
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it was like my body was ready to get to the next stage.
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So I've actually created a playlist for the whole hard and woman,
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and I've got all types of music, I've got some slows,
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some much more deep and reflective, more up beat, like I'm trusting and
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I'm using it to work through, and so I just put it on
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and I'm trusting that whatever comes on is what actually I need to
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move to... Yes, I was gonna say, no coincidence, the Jodi Penza soundtrack
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was exactly what you needed. Right, we know that.
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Yeah, yeah. Very intuitively crafted. Curated. Yeah. Alright, speaking of
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music, what is the song now that you have on your play list
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that you listen to when you need to get
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hyped up? Charge energy. What's your son? There are so many songs that
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you want me... I had to go through my whole play list and
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now I'm like, it was a cool play one, and it's about dreams,
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and I've just forgotten the never... I'm terrible with the names of it,
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and also the... A sky full of start. Sky full of stars skill
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is that. At that one... I love that song, but then if you
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were... Sometimes, depending on how I am, I like them more deeply reflective,
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'cause then it makes me feel so alive, so it's a really tricky
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one to actually pinpoint, it doesn't have to be RIAA music for me,
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for me to feel totally connected to my heart and...
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Does that make sense? It makes complete sense, and that's an answer I
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haven't gotten before, so I don't need that really fast up because sometimes
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if I'm not in that state, it feels forced.
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Yeah. Yeah. Interesting, but I'm with you on the whole play list...
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Yeah, I just love music, so it would be hard, Sushil.
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Share my plans with you after the cold... Oh. Yes. Cool,
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okay, fantastic. Alright, so you mentioned your whole hearted
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method, your whole hearted... The playlist that you have... Or not different
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playlists. The music that you have. How can people find out more about
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that? How can people find it more about my plaistow then.
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I do the work that you do. But you mentioned before I asked
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you about the hype song, you mentioned that you had put together some
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music, we're a whole hearted. So the whole hates, if they wanna go
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on to Spotify, it's under the whole hearted woman, but there is also...
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So yes, all you can do in median, I'll share the link.
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The whole hard, I've created a body over called the whole headed for
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the whole headed woman, so it's predominantly working with women, and there
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are a couple of mines circling, 'cause they're seeing the work that I'm
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doing with their partners and seeing the... How much that's impacting their
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relationship, and so it is a 90 day program, and it is a
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very sacred, deep container, 'cause they have access to me for 90 days,
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and I take them through the process of walking them
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back home to living and embodying whole... Hears their whole heart,
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and so it's not for the faint of art,
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and it really requires deep commitment and a willingness
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to cultivate courage like we've never known before, and compassion,
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and so that's why not... I don't take on... I don't work with
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a lot of people because it does... I'm totally devoted and committed to
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the women that I work with to ensure that they do for new
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paths for themselves, because I think there's so many people that know at
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all that are still operating from the little of the mind,
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but not from heart, and really to return to her.
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It's a process, 'cause most of us don't trust...
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Don't trust our house. We don't have that connection. So
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at the same time, you're asking a lot from your clients,
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but you're not asking more than you've done for yourself, or you're asking
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them to do like you're leading them because you've done that work,
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and it is a privilege, and I get very emotional in a lot
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of Cision, my clients, because I know what it takes Larry to do
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this. And that's why I say it's really not for the faint of
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heart, because you have to be so committed
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to the process, because if you're not committed,
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we to be committed is to actually be both fading
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or in... Yeah. And that's what it takes in your program and in
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my program, to live without regrets, to live
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without regrets so that you don't die with regrets.
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And it reminds me even, and I know that I resonated so deeply
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with what you do and where you've come from, because for me,
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as I shared with you that, I knew that I was certainly inside
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my marriage, and so when I came out of that meditation and I
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decided that I could not live a life that was
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half hearted, that where I was settling like other people around me,
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and I had experienced my whole life of settling,
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and so that would have been a regret. And I think it takes
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courage to listen to those nudges so that we don't... So we don't
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live in regret, especially if things are fine,
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we can go along and be okay, because it's okay, it's not bad,
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it's okay, and. I get to the end
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and look back and say, I wish I would have... When you see
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it from a different perspective, when you are at the end of your
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life. I imagine... Because we're not there. Who knows? We're not there yet,
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but I've tried to also work and live as if...
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Okay, so when I'm 80, now I'm gonna extend it when I'm a
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100, well, I had or I didn't, or whatever, and live from that
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perspective of saying, Well then I'm going to do this thing because I
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don't want to die with regrets. And that what you just shared is
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a super powerful exercise I did years ago where I wrote my own
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legs... Like I wrote my own eulogy, and I was like,
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How do I wanna be remembered? And when we actually get really clear
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on we want to be remembered, then that can inform us as to
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what we need to do or change in order to leave that
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legacy. Yes, yes. It's almost like writing a visualization as well...
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Or creating a visualization. It's a different path to it.
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But then then you are pulled into it,
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if that's what you're visualizing, that's what you're pulled into.
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This has been such a powerful conversation, I really enjoyed it.
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Olave. The place I started, and I was like, Oh, okay,
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where are we going? Hathaway a midway, I had to show myself compassion
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'cause I was like, I could even hear the little voice,
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you didn't answer that very well, and I was like, It's okay,
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darling. Let that go like that. Gaiety, what it needed to be...
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Before we stop here again, how can people reach you is what's the
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best way, what's your website or what is the. Social... Cronyism on Instagram,
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Facebook, LinkedIn. All at La wink. So all my name, www,
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sainik dot com is my website. And if people want to email me,
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they can email me there or they can direct message on any of
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my social media channels, if they want to apply
37:18
for a conversation to work with me, they just can send me a
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DM and I'll send them a link to the application.
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So yeah, and I'm just having to... And then YouTube, I've got my
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podcast, the good news, give that's available on YouTube and allocating
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straining vehicles. Perfect. And we will put links to all of that in
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the show notes, so thank you so much for joining me today,
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Lisa, on buying a four letter word. Thank you so much for having
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me and thank you for your questions. They had... They're gonna have me
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reflecting now, I love that. Excellent. Alright, tee.