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Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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by night, all day.
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Speaker 2: Cheers. Good to see you. I went through a whole,
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like a series of different coffee machines that I tried out.
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I tried out one of them that was like this
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little thing that's like a tea dipper almost, like for
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an individual cup of coffee. You put the grounds in
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this little thing. It's a little tiny press.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: And you boil the water, put it in the coffee cup,
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and then you sit in there like it's tea. And
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then you press it.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: And it makes like a French press.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So then I went to an AeroPress. I like that
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one a lot.
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Speaker 1: What's an AeroPress?
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Speaker 2: I use that every day. So with an AeroPress, I
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boil the water, grind the beans, and then I pour
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it into this glass tube. And the glass tube has
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a filter at the bottom of it, like a mesh filter.
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Like a steel or an aluminum or some kind of
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metal mesh. And then that's what it looks like. And
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so you press down and it makes a cup of
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coffee real quick. And it's one cup. And so that's
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what I like. Because I was making coffee like I
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was doing French press for a while. I had a
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coffee machine. But the issue is that you're not supposed
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to really be drinking out of hot plastic. All that
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shit is plastic. There's plastic. The water goes into plastic.
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There's plastic here and plastic there. I'm trying to eliminate
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as much plastic in my life as possibly, as I
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possibly can.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you too. I, a couple of times in
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my adult life splurged on, you know, some fucking.
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Speaker 2: One of them Italian espresso machines. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It grinds the beans every time you're going to wet.
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Those fucking things go sideways on you in a year.
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And then you're like, I got to get it fixed.
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And they're like, yeah, um, there's a shop. It's 90 minutes.
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Speaker 1: North of you. You drive the machine up there. You're
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just like, Fuck this shit, man. So I went back.
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I have an espresso, and you put the fucking pot
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in and whatever.
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Speaker 2: There's a company that makes one. I should shout them out.
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That makes one that's all steel. I think it's called
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Simply Good Coffee. I follow them on Instagram. I haven't
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used their machine, but that's all steel. It's an all
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steel coffee machine, which is what you want. But I've
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got it down to the AeroPress. The AeroPress, to me,
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very simple machine. The minimal amount of like parts. It's
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just a tube. The grinds. The coffee tastes pure. It's simple.
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I make one cup of coffee a day.
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Speaker 3: Here is what I miss because I will drink a
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lot of coffee if I'm able to.
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Speaker 1: Here's what I miss about like a traditional Mr. Coffee
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pot of coffee. Okay. You set it. It starts doing
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it in the morning. You wake up. It's already going,
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you know. Right.
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Speaker 3: I get two cups hot in the morning. I put
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it in the fridge. And then in the afternoon when
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I start feeling sluggish, I got two cold cups. And
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it's just a nice.
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Speaker 2: So you just want volume.
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Speaker 1: I love volume.
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Speaker 2: Then make a French press. It'll taste better. This right here.
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Speaker 1: But then you got to make it every time. You
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got to do one cup every time.
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Speaker 2: You don't have a job. You lazy motherfucker. You don't
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even have a job. You literally talk shit for a
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living and you're like, oh, making coffee so hard. Someone
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had a skin of fucking buffalo just to stay warm
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in the winter.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Just to stay alive. They had to shred the skin
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off of it with a stone knife and they had
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to pull it and stretch it and tan it and put.
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animal brains on it to make sure that it's softened
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up and salted down.
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Speaker 1: And guess what? If you would have said to that guy, hey,
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we got this thing called Mr. Buffalo, it'll just do
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it real fast. He would have been like, okay, this sucks.
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Speaker 2: Mr.
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Speaker 1: Buffalo.
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Speaker 2: He would be fucking sitting in his teepee going, bro, Mr.
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Buffalo's the shit. Yeah. He'd get fat and lazy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So true.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I like to make more than one cup
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at once. So that thing, that airbrush.
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Speaker 2: Dude, French press is so easy. You talk about making
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it hard. This right here. This is an all-metal French press.
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No plastic parts at all. It's the fucking easiest thing
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in the world, dude.
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Speaker 1: So this can make a full pot, though?
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 2: Well, then that's... Yeah, look at this. And this is
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not expensive. It's just a steel French press. This is
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the best-tasting coffee you're ever going to get because it's
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got all the oils from the beans, man. You get, like,
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the real coffee dorks. You know, there's something happens in
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the filter. So in the filter, yes, you remove the grinds. Yes.
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But also you remove some of the flavor.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Just a touch.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny, man. Back when I.
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Speaker 3: Was still involved with the sandwich shop, one of the
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things I learned that I never knew, because you had
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to take a test to get a food handler's license
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and all this shit, was I didn't know that food
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started breaking down the moment you cut it.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Because I was getting into, at
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the time, meal prep and shit.
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Speaker 3: If I chop the tomatoes now, if I chop the
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carrots now, the cucumbers now, it'll be way easier to
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just throw a salad together every day. It'll make me
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eat the good thing because it'll be fast. And then
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I learned, no, as soon as you cut something, it
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starts to break down.
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Speaker 2: Is this just vegetables?
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Speaker 3: I think it's mainly vegetables. Raw meat is fine or whatever,
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but vegetables.
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Speaker 2: That makes sense because the inside is exposed to the air.
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Speaker 1: But it's got to be the same principle with coffee beans,
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I would think, right? Like once they're ground.
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Speaker 2: That's a good question. Yeah. I think people like to
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grind them right before they– I always grind them right
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before I make the coffee, which is easy. I will
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grind them. It's a one-step, one button. I press it.
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It takes 13 seconds. I count it. It goes– 13
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seconds is the exact amount of beans that I want
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for one strong– I like a strong cup of coffee,
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one strong cup of coffee with that AeroPress thing. But
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it's the same thing with a French press. You take it.
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You just get a determined amount and you can dial
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the knob on the grinder. It's so easy. Grinders are
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so simple. So listen. All you do is you take
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that ground coffee after it comes into the little cup.
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You pour it into the bottom of the fucking French press,
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and then you pour the hot water in. Done.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's it. And then you wait one minute, and then
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you push this fucking plunger down, and you drink the
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best coffee in the world. And it doesn't have any plastic,
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and it doesn't have any bullshit, and there's no moving parts. Yes.
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There's nothing. It's just that thing. And if the grinder breaks,
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you get another fucking grinder. Okay? And grinders don't break.
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I've never had a grinder break.
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Speaker 1: But you've got to boil the water first, correct? Oh,
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my God.
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Speaker 2: Are you okay? Are you going to be okay? You've
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got to turn the knob on the stove. Are you
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going to be okay? What the fuck is wrong with
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this guy? I hit a button on the boiler. This
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is so ridiculous. He's so ridiculous. He's like, whoa, I
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can't be the water. I got to boil it.
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Speaker 1: Dude, I get out of bed.
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Speaker 2: Get an automatic kettle. You get a kettle. There's literally,
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I have one that has a setting that says French
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press on it. It's a steel kettle. Okay. And it
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works all electronically. So it's temper regulated temperature and it
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beeps when it's done. Press 200 degrees. And then I
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press start and it goes.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: And when that happens, I pour the water onto the beans.
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Speaker 1: Well, now we're talking.
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Speaker 2: Now we're talking.
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Speaker 1: An electric kettle. I'm thinking I got to put a
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fucking pot on the stove. That's even easier, you fucking
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lazy bitch. It takes too long. Dude, I get out
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of it. You're such a lazy bitch. It's not laziness.
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You're so lazy.
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Speaker 2: I get out.
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Speaker 1: I swear it's not like this. I wake up with
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the dread of humanity in my fucking brain. I'm just like,
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I need a cup of coffee immediately to just start
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the day and just clear the head. And the longer
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that takes, the longer I got to sit in that
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wake up anxiety.
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Speaker 2: I understand.
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Speaker 1: So, but now we're talking. You know what I'm going
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to get? I'm going to get a boiling pot that
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you can set a timer on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're easy. They're electronic kettles.
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Speaker 1: They sell them online.
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Speaker 2: And they have, like, settings for tea, settings for this,
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settings for hot cocoa. You know, it's like five or
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six different settings or something like that, depending on the model.
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All right. They're fucking so easy, dude.
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Speaker 1: You sold me. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And it's the best coffee. It tastes good. And I
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don't have to think. I had a whole year. One
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of these really nice machines and it can make an espresso,
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can make a coffee, can make a latte. It's got
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a little fucking foam thing that I've never used once. Never,
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never even thought about using it. Never even thought about
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steaming milk in my fucking house.
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Speaker 4: Never.
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Speaker 2: But I always was thinking, I'm just, it's all plastic.
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Every time I filled up the water thing, I'm like,
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this is all plastic. Everything's plastic.
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Speaker 3: Do you know, do you know what I saw though
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that made me want to get the thing again with
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the cream steamer? Cause I don't put cream in, so
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I don't have any use for it.
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Speaker 2: Black coffee, right?
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Speaker 1: Black coffee, always. Fuckin' man.
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Speaker 2: Always.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Me too.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Tony shits on it.
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Speaker 2: Of course he does. Tony needs a fuckin' umbrella in
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his coffee. He needs an umbrella and a pineapple.
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Speaker 1: A cookie with it, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And he holds it with one pinky out when he
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drinks his coffee.
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Speaker 1: I go, I drink it black. He goes, ah, you
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fuckin' hate condiments. I was like, what are you talking about?
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Speaker 2: I like the taste of coffee.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I genuinely like black coffee.
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Speaker 1: You know what I saw, though, that made me want
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to get the foam steamer was not for foam. You
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know Alton Brown? Yeah. I love Alton Brown. He did
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a thing. He did a video where he made this
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thing with eggs and he used the foam steamer to
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like foam the eggs up. And I was like. I
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want to get it just for that, just to do
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the thing with the eggs.
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Speaker 2: Interesting. So you're lazy when it comes to making coffee,
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but you go way out of the way for some
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foamy eggs.
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Speaker 1: I'll cook. You'll use a steamer? I like to cook.
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I'll cook.
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Speaker 2: There it is right here. Look at that. Wow. Wow.
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Speaker 3: He said this is like apparently incredible. It's like two eggs,
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a little cheese.
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Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting. And so you... You whisk it up like that,
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and then you add the foam, and the foam cooks it?
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Is that how he's cooking it, with the foam?
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Speaker 1: He cooks the eggs with the foam. Oh.
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Speaker 2: So what is in the foamer? Is it just hot water?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay. So this hot water from the steam is cooking
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his eggs.
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Speaker 1: Look at the egg cooking. Look at that.
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Speaker 2: Pretty fucking dope.
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Speaker 1: Look at that.
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Speaker 2: He's eating. Or you just eat eggs. What the fuck's
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wrong with you? Just crack some fucking eggs. Fry some eggs.
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What's the problem?
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Speaker 1: You don't think that looks good?
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Speaker 2: It doesn't look as good as sunny side up eggs.
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Speaker 1: Foamy eggs?
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Speaker 2: I was looking at it and I was like, fuck
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those foamy eggs. I want a real egg.
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Speaker 1: Could you imagine Duncan toasting those foamy eggs?
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Speaker 2: Come on. No, because I don't even eat toast.
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Speaker 1: Come on. Toast once in a while.
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Speaker 2: Occasionally.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know when I get it? With steak tartare. I
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like those little toast points.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: You ever get some steak tartare with the toast points
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at Jay Carver? You ever go to Jay Carver?
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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, yeah. What's your favorite spot in Austin
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to get a meal?
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Speaker 2: It's impossible to say. There's so many good spots. There's
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so many good spots. Austin is crazy with the amount
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of great restaurants, like really high-end restaurants. I've eaten steak
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at every fucking restaurant in town, and I got to
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think the best one is Jeffrey's. Jeffries is– I still
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haven't gone.
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Speaker 1: I got to go. It's perfection.
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Speaker 2: They're all great. Like I've never had a bad steak
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at Jay Carver's. I've never had a bad steak at
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Eddie V's. They're all great. But there's something about whatever
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Jeffries is doing. I think they got rated like the
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number two steakhouse in the country, something crazy like that.
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Speaker 3: I got to go to Jeffries. I've been dragging my ass.
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I love Jay Carver. Jay Carver is amazing.
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Speaker 2: Amazing. Their steak is different. Jeffrey's Steak, like Jay Carver's Steak,
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he's using one of those Argentine grills. So it's all
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live fire over wood. Delicious flavor.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: But man, there's like another level. Like whatever Jeffrey's doing,
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like fuck.
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Speaker 3: I go, I love Gary, the bartender at Eddie V's.
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And he makes killer martinis. I love to go in
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and get a martini.
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Speaker 2: It's a great bar.
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Speaker 1: Shrimp cocktail.
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Speaker 2: Beautiful bar.
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Speaker 1: And some steak. But I love, I got to tell you,
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it's the same owners as Jay Carver's. I actually think
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I like the steak at Red Ash a little bit
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better than Jake Harbor.
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Speaker 2: How?
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Speaker 1: There's just something different about it. I don't know what
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the difference in the prep is, but just the steak.
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And then also having the option of all the Italian
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foods that you can get with the steak.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Red Ash is phenomenal, too. They have another place
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called the Kimberly. That place is phenomenal, too.
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Speaker 1: Kimberly's very good.
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Speaker 2: There's too many good restaurants. You have an abundance of
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choices here.
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Speaker 1: It took.
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Speaker 3: It took a minute because when I first moved back,
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because I was here in 2000 for a year, when
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I first moved back, you know, I was in New
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York for so long, I forgot like Austin is more
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of a destination city. You have to kind of find
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the places. And Tommy Pope was like, dude, give me
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your phone. And he went into my Google Maps and
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he bookmarked 10.
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Speaker 1: Spots and was like, Get this here. Get this there.
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Get this here. In every spot, I was like, okay,
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now we're rocking and rolling. It was great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine back in the day before the internet, you
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couldn't just Google, like, what's the best steakhouse in Austin.
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I mean, that's kind of an amazing thing now. You
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get to be told about a restaurant. Right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I do that in cities.
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Speaker 3: When I'm on the road, I'll look up what's the
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best Italian sandwich in the city. Sometimes it's right. Sometimes
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it's like, you know.
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Speaker 2: The most popular touristy place.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just a place that paid for publicity. So
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they're getting on these lists and it's not accurate. But
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when you find it, it's great. The Internet is a
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great tool to help find these places. Like you said,
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it used to just be word of mouth. You just
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have to say what's good.
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Speaker 1: And now you're depending on some guy's opinion, which is
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not always the best.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's some certain places. It's like people are
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your own little Siskel and Ebert for movies, but for restaurants.
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Like you've got to find a fat guy who loves food.
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That guy is going to tell you where the best
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spots are.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know who knows everything.
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Speaker 2: There's like East Coast places, though, that you're just never
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going to get anywhere else other than the East Coast.
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There's certain like kind of small Italian restaurants in particular.
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There's this place I used to go to when I
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lived in New Rochelle, Frank and John's. I think it
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was Frankie and Johnny's. I think that's what it was called. Okay.
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In New Rochelle, this Italian place.
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Speaker 1: It was so fucking insane.
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Speaker 2: It was so insane.
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Speaker 1: It was so good. They made a movie about that.
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 3: There was a movie called Frankie and Johnny with Al Pacino.
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And I think it's about that restaurant. I think he
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works at that restaurant.
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think so. Yeah. It's got to be.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of restaurants. Right? But it's called? I mean,
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I'm 90% sure it was in New Rochelle because that's
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where I lived. I lived in New Rochelle. If it
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wasn't in New Rochelle, it was in the surrounding areas,
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like maybe Mount Vernon or something like that. But, oh
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my God, dude, it was so good. When I got
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my first development deal, my manager thought that I had
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a gambling problem, but it was really just because I
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was eating steak and lobster every night.
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Speaker 1: It's, Go, where's all your money going?
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Speaker 2: He's like, what are you doing? You're spending so much money.
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Do you have a gambling problem? And I was like, no,
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I'm eating steak and lobster every night. I've been poor
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my whole life. I'm fucking eating like a king. Until
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this shit runs out, I don't even know if it's
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going to last, but I'm riding this bitch right into
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the rocks.
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Speaker 3: My favorite thing about when I finally got to a
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point of some financial stability with this crazy career that
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you go through for a long time without knowing what's next.
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But my favorite thing was when I could go, I can.
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Speaker 1: Eat whatever I want now. Like that was a huge
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moment to me.
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Speaker 2: That's one of the biggest. Brian Callen said that to
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me once. He goes, other than obviously taking care of
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your family and mortgage and all that stuff, after like
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life necessity, the big change, the big change is being
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able to go to a restaurant and order whatever you
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want and not think about it, not worry about the bill.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And if you can do that, like, you have real freedom. Like, that's, like,
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the first big leap.
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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: And then everything after that is like these little things.
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It's great. Oh, look. I live in a nice apartment. Oh, look.
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I have a nice car. Oh, look. I got the
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shoes that I wanted. Oh, look. That's all fine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's nice. But the weight that's lifted off of you
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when you don't have to worry about your bills, that's
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number one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's the big one. Yeah. That's the giant leap. That's
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between the two buildings. Like I don't know if this
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is going to work out to wee, bump. Yeah. OK.
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I'm going to be OK.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Now it's just about how hard do I work and–
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What kind of success do I have? But I can
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feed myself now with no fears.
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Speaker 1: Dude, I actually might have said this to you the
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last time I was here. I don't remember. But it's.
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Speaker 3: The most profound moment for me in practicing gratitude for
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my life. I swear to God, it's the supermarket. When
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I check out at the supermarket, I try to remind myself,
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you just pulled whatever you wanted off the shelf. to
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fill your cart and you didn't have to worry about,
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can I pay for this or not? You're checking out
17:51
and you're paying for your groceries and it costs what
17:53
it costs. I was like, people, there are people that
17:56
don't have this man. Remember this.
17:57
Speaker 1: This is a ton of people.
17:58
Speaker 2: Here's the question though. Do you think that there's value
18:02
in not having that when you're young and then developing
18:07
that sort of drive and ambition and desire to to
18:11
earn money and get something because you know what it's
18:13
like to be poor.
18:14
Speaker 1: Yes.
18:14
Speaker 2: Or do you think the world would be a far
18:18
better place if instead of people having to concentrate on
18:24
necessities like food and shelter, society reaches a point where
18:29
that is a given and no one ever has to
18:32
worry about food and shelter. And now it's all about
18:36
what do you want to pursue and how much energy
18:38
you put into it. Do you think that you have
18:41
to have that struggle?
18:43
Speaker 3: I think– look, I don't think that that struggle and
18:46
the transition out of that struggle is ever bad for anybody.
18:49
I think it's a– it builds your spirit and it
18:53
builds your– who you are. That said, the other version
18:57
of it, I don't know because it's just not a
19:01
thing that we have here.
19:02
Speaker 2: It's not a thing that people have ever experienced here.
19:05
And I don't even know if they really experience it
19:07
anywhere else. I mean I think there's like forms of
19:10
socialism but they all involve oppression. They all involve government overreach.
19:15
Any real socialist system always involves like serious restrictions on
19:20
what you can and can't do.
20:21
Speaker 3: I will tell you this, and this might be a
20:23
byproduct of the culture we live in because we don't
20:26
have it. I will say there is a noticeable difference
20:31
to me between people I am friendly with that grew
20:34
up with money and people that I know that grew
20:37
up that didn't have it.
20:38
Speaker 1: Right.
20:38
Speaker 2: But is that because of our society?
20:40
Speaker 1: That's my question.
20:41
Speaker 2: This is the question that I have. Is it necessary
20:44
that that has to be your struggle in order to
20:46
develop the kind of discipline that you need to be
20:48
successful in life? Or– is it just our society is
20:52
fucked up and that desperation that we're putting into people,
20:56
you're just making the motivation different. Like you're enforcing the
21:00
idea of greed because people become selfish because no one
21:03
was looking out for them and they have a chip
21:05
on their shoulder, all that shit. But you don't necessarily
21:08
have to have that to have interest in pursuing something
21:11
to the best of your abilities.
21:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
21:13
Speaker 3: It's, it's, it's, it's a tough thing to define.
21:17
Speaker 1: It's, it really is.
21:18
Speaker 3: I think, um, I think there's bonuses to both, but
21:21
I also think too, in, in, in, in the social
21:24
society thing, Hey, isn't it great if you can go,
21:29
Hey man, um, I'm a waiter and I'm able to
21:32
live a normal life and buy a house and, and,
21:35
and be normal, you know, whatever.
21:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
21:36
Speaker 2: But that's not socialist. That's just a, we were fucked
21:39
in terms of like the amount people earn versus what
21:42
you can buy versus like the 1950s, the 1950s, you know,
21:49
The way a person can make a living and feed
21:52
an entire family off of one paycheck, it was way easier.
21:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
21:56
Speaker 2: It was a lot easier.
21:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
21:57
Speaker 3: Well, it always makes me laugh because one of my
21:59
favorite TV shows of all time is All in the.
22:02
Speaker 1: Family, right?
22:03
Speaker 3: And the whole thing with All in the Family was
22:05
supposed to be that they were kind of struggling. Like
22:08
Archie was a cab driver and they didn't have a
22:10
lot of money or whatever.
22:11
Speaker 1: You look at that fucking house they lived in, you're like,
22:14
that house would be– $ 10. 3 million now. They're living pretty
22:20
fucking good. It's a nice house. Right.
22:22
Speaker 2: It's all clean and nice inside.
22:23
Speaker 1: It's got two floors.
22:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the guy's a cab driver.
22:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So it's a tough thing.
22:29
Speaker 3: But as far as the society we live in personally,
22:32
I think it's better to have known what nothing is
22:37
and then go to appreciating what you do have.
22:40
Speaker 2: I don't know because I've never grown up any other way.
22:45
But I wonder if you have conscientious parents and you're
22:50
a young kid and your dad just sits you down
22:54
and tells you, hey, buddy, you can be whatever you want,
22:57
but you're going to have to fucking put in the work.
22:58
There's only one way out of this thing, and nobody
23:01
rides for free. And if you do ride for free,
23:03
you're going to be depressed. If somebody gives you everything
23:05
that you have, those are the people that are the
23:07
most aimless. The rich kids that I've met that have
23:11
no– like they've had money their entire life. Like their
23:15
parents just give them a trust fund so they don't
23:17
have to work and they're worth like a ton of money.
23:18
They're all sad.
23:20
Speaker 1: Right.
23:20
Speaker 2: They're all sad. They're all super insecure. They all act
23:25
real weird.
23:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know one or two people that had trust funds,
23:30
grew up like that, but still worked their asses off.
23:32
That's great. Because again, you're saying it's what the parents–
23:34
I think a.
23:36
Speaker 2: Big part of that is what the parents are telling you.
23:38
Speaker 3: There's all this talk now of Nepo babies and all
23:40
that stuff. I was good friends years ago with Eden Brolin.
23:46
She's Josh Brolin's daughter. And she was very close with
23:49
her dad. I remember she was in my house one
23:52
day in L.A. And she's like, I'm not supposed to
23:55
tell anybody. My dad's going to be Thanos in the
23:57
Marvel movies. And I was like, that's fucking crazy, right?
24:03
Speaker 1: So, like.
24:04
Speaker 3: But she, dude, she worked for every fucking thing. I
24:07
became friends with her because she was a hostess at
24:09
the stand in New York.
24:11
Speaker 1: Like she always had regular jobs. She plays in a
24:15
band now.
24:15
Speaker 3: She does some acting, but she is not in a.
24:19
Speaker 1: Situation where her dad put her wherever.
24:21
Speaker 3: And I think it's because they're very close, but I
24:24
think it was because she was just raised in a
24:25
way where he was like, you're going to earn your
24:27
shit and, you know, and you're going to do your thing.
24:30
And And she's an amazing person. Like, there was none
24:33
of that, none of that my dad's famous and I'm
24:36
comfortable arrogance.
24:37
Speaker 2: But he's a cool guy. He's a very normal guy.
24:39
Speaker 1: I never met him.
24:41
Speaker 2: He's a very nice guy.
24:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:42
Speaker 2: Very, very smart and very normal. Like, you can hang
24:44
out with him, talk to him, jokes around. He's like,
24:47
he's very present.
24:48
Speaker 1: Yeah. And.
24:49
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people like that that you think of,
24:52
you know, you think of actors as all being these
24:55
fucking aloof weirdos who live in this bizarre liberal, like,
25:00
progressive leftist bubble. And a lot of them are. There's
25:03
a giant number that are. But, man, there's a ton of, like,
25:07
really solid, cool people that are actors. Like Billy Bob Thornton.
25:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:12
Speaker 2: Cool as fuck, man.
25:12
Speaker 1: He seems awesome.
25:13
Speaker 2: So cool. He actually got me this short shirt. Shout
25:16
out to him.
25:17
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
25:18
Speaker 2: I said, nice shirt, man. So he hooked it up.
25:20
Speaker 1: I'd love to meet him. He's great. I'd love to
25:22
meet him.
25:22
Speaker 2: He's great. There's a lot of those guys that are
25:25
really great. Woody Harrelson's fucking great.
25:27
Speaker 1: I was just going to say.
25:28
Speaker 2: Matt McConaughey's great.
25:29
Speaker 1: Great guys. I became friendly with Woody and his wife
25:32
through Tony. He's so nice. He's the fucking best. They're
25:36
both amazing.
25:38
Speaker 2: He's so fucking cool, man. So cool and present. He
25:43
has zero ego. He's just always chill and hanging out,
25:47
always super friendly and nice to everybody. Woody's so nice.
25:52
Speaker 1: He said a thing to me.
25:54
Speaker 3: The first time I ever hung out with him, he
25:57
came to kill Tony, and we were drinking after the show,
26:00
and we had a great time. And at the end
26:03
of the night, he just goes, and Tony had plugged
26:06
my special at the beginning of the show or whatever.
26:10
Speaker 1: And at the end of the night, And, I mean,
26:12
we'd had a few. We were in Mitzi's. We were
26:14
all kind of just getting into that, swaying around, you know.
26:20
And I was like, it was great to meet you, man.
26:22
And he goes, yeah, man, it was fun tonight. And
26:25
he goes, I'm going to watch your special. And I go, thanks, man.
26:29
And he goes, I never promised you a Rose Garden.
26:32
And I was like, yeah, that's the name. And he's like,
26:34
I'm going to watch. I'm like, this fucking guy remembered
26:37
the name of my special from a plug– Five hours ago.
26:43
And I was like, that's fucking awesome, man. That's very cool. Like,
26:46
what a fucking.
26:47
Speaker 2: He's just a good dude.
26:48
Speaker 1: Yeah. What an awesome dude.
26:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, they exist, Matt. You know, there's a lot of
26:53
them out there. You'd be shocked. Matt Damon and Ben Affleck,
26:56
very cool guys. Like, talk to them on and off air.
26:59
I've talked to Matt before. I actually randomly ran into
27:03
Matt Damon a few years back in Italy at a
27:05
restaurant where he was seated under.
27:07
Speaker 1: A picture of him.
27:13
Speaker 2: So I had already met him before at the UFC.
27:15
And then we were in Italy. I was with my
27:18
family and he was with his family. And he sat down.
27:21
We were already sitting down and we were right across.
27:23
I go, oh, look at that picture of Matt Damon.
27:25
And then literally Matt Damon walks in and sits right
27:29
under the picture of Matt Damon. I go, hey, Matt.
27:33
He's like, hey, what are you doing here? Gave me
27:35
a big hug. And I was like, but this is
27:37
so meta.
27:38
Speaker 1: Did you ever see.
27:38
Speaker 2: So strange to like look at a photo of a
27:41
guy on the wall and go, oh, I know him. Yeah.
27:43
That's Matt Damon.
27:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:44
Speaker 2: And then he comes in and sits right there right
27:46
after you say it.
27:47
Speaker 1: That's so funny.
27:48
Speaker 2: What are the odds?
27:49
Speaker 1: That's so funny.
27:50
Speaker 2: What are the odds?
27:51
Speaker 1: Did you ever see, did you ever see Autofocus? The
27:53
Bob Crane movie?
27:54
Speaker 2: Yes.
27:55
Speaker 1: What a crazy movie, man. I love that movie.
27:57
Speaker 2: That movie's crazy. Do you think the guy killed him,
27:59
his buddy?
28:00
Speaker 1: Yes.
28:01
Speaker 2: I do. I do. It seems like it.
28:03
Speaker 1: I do. I think so. But that's when they show
28:06
how he would get laid on the road.
28:08
Speaker 2: Crazy. He would wait for the reruns of Hogan's Heroes
28:11
to be on TV and then he'd sit in front
28:13
of the television.
28:14
Speaker 1: He knew when they were on. And there's that scene
28:17
where he tells the bartender.
28:18
Speaker 3: He goes, could you put on Channel 22, whatever. She
28:20
puts it on and he's sitting under it. And then
28:22
the hot chick comes up and she goes, oh.
28:24
Speaker 1: My God, is that you? And he goes, oh, how embarrassing.
28:27
I don't give a....
28:31
Speaker 2: Well, back then, you got to think Hogan's Heroes. First
28:34
of all, how much has society changed and how much
28:37
more sensitive have people gotten? When you think that Hogan's
28:41
Heroes was a show about a Nazi concentration camp and
28:46
it was a comedy.
28:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:48
Speaker 2: It was a comedy.
28:49
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:50
Speaker 2: It was a comedy about prisoners of war that were
28:53
captured by the Nazis.
28:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And they had like lovable Nazis.
28:58
Speaker 2: Lovable Nazis that were like bumbling buddies. Nobody died. The
29:05
show was on for like five years. Nobody died.
29:07
Speaker 1: Nope.
29:08
Speaker 2: How many seasons did Hogan's Heroes go?
29:10
Speaker 4: 168 episodes, six seasons.
29:12
Speaker 1: God damn.
29:14
Speaker 2: 168 episodes, six seasons, and no one died.
29:18
Speaker 1: They didn't kill anybody?
29:20
Speaker 2: No. How many people died on Hogan's Heroes? Run that
29:22
through our AI sponsor, Perplexity.
29:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:26
Speaker 2: How many people died during World War II in a
29:31
Nazi prison?
29:32
Speaker 1: Not a one. Not a one. Nobody got tortured.
29:35
Speaker 2: In six years and 148 episodes.
29:37
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so insane.
29:39
Speaker 3: Do you think– they get into a little bit of
29:42
this in the movie, but they play it down. But
29:46
do you think there was a lot of pushback? Do
29:48
you think there was like– they were like, what are you,
29:50
fucking crazy? We can't make this show.
29:51
Speaker 2: This is nuts.
29:52
Speaker 1: Or– Was it just there?
29:54
Speaker 2: In the movie? Was there pushback? I don't remember.
29:56
Speaker 1: There's a little bit where he's like, it's kind of crazy.
30:00
Speaker 2: Almost nobody dies on screen or as a plot event
30:03
in Hogan's Heroes. It was a broad comedy and the
30:05
regular heroes, Hogan, Klink, heroes. Klink, Colonel Klink, Schultz, the
30:11
fucking Nazi guard. He's a hero. And the prisoners survived
30:15
the series. The notable fictional death of Major Wolfgang Hochstetter.
30:19
Who was reportedly killed during an Allied bombing raid and
30:22
the Commandant dies at dawn. The title is misleading. Colonel
30:27
Klink is not killed. So the practical answer is one
30:30
named reoccurring character with occasional unnamed wartime casualties implied rather
30:36
than shown.
30:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:38
Speaker 2: Nobody died, obviously. That's– Clink was like, remember, I see nothing.
30:43
Speaker 1: He saw nothing.
30:44
Speaker 2: He was always like, I got to get out of here.
30:46
I see nothing. Like they're all plotting fucking devious things
30:51
to try to get back at the guards. And he
30:52
was like, I see nothing.
30:54
Speaker 1: It's like having a show where the Klan. And then
30:58
the Klan is like kind.
30:59
Speaker 2: Of the black guys are like breakdancing. The Klan's having
31:02
a good time with them.
31:03
Speaker 1: Yeah. The closest I've ever seen to it is Tarantino
31:06
in Django when he makes the Klan scene funny. When
31:10
they're all kind of dumb. Do you remember that scene?
31:12
Speaker 2: I don't remember that scene, unfortunately.
31:14
Speaker 3: There's a scene with the Klan, and I think Jonah
31:17
Hill has a cameo in it, and they're all kind
31:19
of dumb, and it's like funny.
31:21
Speaker 1: Dialogue with the Klan. You're like, I don't know how
31:23
he just pulled this off, but he did.
31:24
Speaker 4: It's the scene with the bags where they're trying to
31:28
talk about the, like, my wife made mine.
31:31
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
31:33
Speaker 2: Okay.
31:33
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
31:34
Speaker 2: Well, my point was that if you go back to
31:38
that year, like what year was Hogan's Heroes? Was it
31:41
the 70s?
31:41
Speaker 4: 65 to 71 is when I heard it.
31:44
Speaker 2: 65 to 71. Okay. Being on television was a very
31:48
new thing.
31:49
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
31:50
Speaker 2: Very new thing. A sitcom star was a very new thing.
31:53
It was only at the most, what, two decades old?
31:58
How old is The Honeymooners? What year was that?
32:02
Speaker 1: Honeymooners are the... Early 50s, I believe, right? I think.
32:07
Speaker 3: And it was a spinoff of the Gleason Variety Hour,
32:11
whatever the fuck that was called. It was a sketch
32:13
they did.
32:13
Speaker 1: 55?
32:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's only on TV for a year.
32:16
Speaker 2: What?
32:17
Speaker 1: Yeah. What year did it start?
32:18
Speaker 2: It says it.
32:19
Speaker 4: Originally aired from 55 to 56.
32:21
Speaker 1: Wow. That's the thing.
32:24
Speaker 2: The Honeymooners, there's only one season?
32:26
Speaker 1: So I have both Honeymooners box sets because I love
32:28
the show. 39 episodes.
32:29
Speaker 2: 39 episodes in one season. That's a lot.
32:32
Speaker 3: The main box set is called the Classic 39 because
32:35
that's all the episodes that weren't sketches on the show
32:38
or anything like that. He did 39 episodes and he
32:41
was like, we did it.
32:42
Speaker 1: It's done. It's like nobody does that now.
32:45
Speaker 2: Right.
32:46
Speaker 3: You know, Seinfeld did it and Ricky Gervais does it.
32:50
He does three seasons and he goes, that's it. They
32:53
did 39 and it was a massive success. And they
32:56
were like, you have to do more of these.
32:58
Speaker 1: And he's like, nope. We did it. We're good. We
33:00
have nothing left to say.
33:01
Speaker 2: Really?
33:02
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then they did reunion shows and shit, but
33:04
that was it. That's wild. That's wild.
33:07
Speaker 2: Well, he went on to do all kinds of other shit, though. Oh, yeah.
33:10
He was in The Hustler in 62. He played a
33:13
serious role.
33:14
Speaker 1: Minnesota Fats.
33:15
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. You know, he was like the only guy
33:19
that's ever been in a movie about a pool player
33:22
that was a real pool player. Mm-hmm. Like, he could
33:24
fucking play. Oh, yeah. Like, when you watch him play
33:27
in the movie, you're like, oh, okay. Yeah. That's a
33:29
real pool player.
33:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:31
Speaker 2: Like the way he strokes the ball. He strokes the
33:33
ball like a pro. He could run– I think he
33:36
ran like 75 balls in straight pool. It might be 100.
33:40
But like 100 balls is like the number. If you
33:42
could run 100 balls in straight pool, people are like,
33:44
that guy is legit. He can run 100 balls.
33:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:48
Speaker 2: And he could do that.
33:50
Speaker 1: Gleason was an incredible.
33:51
Speaker 2: What's that, Jamie?
33:52
Speaker 4: It's kind of interesting about the show, the– The sketches
33:55
were over 35 minutes or more, and the writers felt
33:59
restricted by the half-hour format.
34:02
Speaker 2: Wow.
34:02
Speaker 4: So that partially had something to— also, he had a contract issue, too.
34:07
Speaker 2: So they felt restricted because they didn't have enough— They.
34:10
Speaker 4: Didn't want more time to— they said it was too slapstick
34:13
and fast-paced, according to TV Guide.
34:16
Speaker 2: Huh.
34:16
Speaker 1: Look at this. He had $ 7 million left on his
34:20
contract in 1956, which is crazy money. The excellence of
34:25
the material could not be maintained. I had too much
34:27
fondness for the show to cheapen it. Wow. I mean,
34:30
that is baller shit back then. Like, that is not
34:33
something people were doing back then.
34:34
Speaker 2: Or he just got lazy because he had so much money.
34:37
Speaker 4: CBS was going to give him a three-year contract for
34:41
what would have been $ 132 million today. He was going
34:44
to get close to, like, a million dollars an episode.
34:46
Speaker 1: Wow. Jesus Christ.
34:49
Speaker 2: A million an episode back then?
34:50
Speaker 4: It was close to that.
34:51
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
34:52
Speaker 2: Like, What today is.
34:53
Speaker 4: I forget where it was on here.
34:55
Speaker 1: But even that's like kind of unheard of when Seinfeld,
34:59
when it was announced they were all going to get
35:00
a million an episode. I remember that was like groundbreaking.
35:03
It was like this has never been done before. Right. Whatever.
35:05
This guy was offered the equivalent of that back in
35:09
56 and said, no, I'm good.
35:12
Speaker 2: Well, he probably already had so much money and he
35:14
was drunk all the time.
35:15
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:15
Speaker 2: That guy drank all the time.
35:17
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:18
Speaker 2: He was so fun.
35:18
Speaker 1: Do you ever watch his final interview?
35:20
Speaker 2: Yes.
35:21
Speaker 1: Yes.
35:21
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:22
Speaker 3: He's in the tracksuit, just chain smoking.
35:24
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. He didn't give a fuck.
35:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:27
Speaker 2: Tracksuit, chain smoking. Wow, he's making $ 839, 000 now, the equivalent.
35:33
Speaker 4: But he had to pay for production costs, it says.
35:36
Speaker 2: Oh, that's different.
35:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:37
Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
35:38
Speaker 1: Art Carney received $ 3, 500 a week, which is $ 42, 000.
35:39
Speaker 2: A week now. Audrey Meadows, $ 2, 000 a week. Wow, women
35:40
got fucked over back then.
35:50
Speaker 4: No, but Jackie Gleason Enterprises was running the show, so
35:52
I mean.
35:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, he fucked her over is what I'm saying. Art
35:58
Carney got fucking almost twice as much as her.
36:01
Speaker 1: God damn.
36:03
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. She was his wife.
36:04
Speaker 1: Only one person got residuals.
36:06
Speaker 2: What?
36:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, reportedly the only cast member to receive residuals when
36:10
they were being broadcast.
36:12
Speaker 2: Oh, because they had to change that shit later. Yeah,
36:16
that's where those strikes and the Writers Union and the... SAG,
36:21
all that stuff plays a part because you get– I
36:24
got residuals for news radio and they're not what you
36:27
think they are. Like people think it's going to like
36:30
change your life. You never have to work again. That's
36:32
only for the people like Jerry Seinfeld that own the show.
36:35
The regular people that get residuals, it's nice. It's a
36:38
good thing. But it makes sense. They're showing the fucking
36:42
show over and over and over again. It's still your work.
36:45
Speaker 4: Yeah.
36:46
Speaker 2: It does make sense. You're reselling it, so it's not
36:49
the original deal that you had to put it on
36:51
NBC for one hour. Now it's like a thing where
36:54
you're going to sell it again, and so all the
36:57
actors get paid again. It makes sense.
36:59
Speaker 1: Dude, I've told you this before. I'm going to tell
37:01
you again, so it's documented. And I know you're not
37:05
that interested, but you need to fucking keep acting, dude.
37:09
You're fucking great on that show. That is not easy.
37:12
Speaker 3: In my opinion— Multi-cam sitcom, despite it being the easiest
37:17
job in show business as far as payment time versus reward,
37:22
it is the hardest type of acting because it is
37:24
an acting where you have to land jokes and gags
37:27
and you have to make it convincing. That is very, very,
37:31
very hard to do. You are so fucking good on
37:34
that show. And I watch news radio all the time still.
37:39
I told you last time I was here, one of
37:40
the things that got me through COVID was doing news
37:43
radio front to back.
37:44
Speaker 1: You need to keep acting.
37:46
Speaker 2: That's very nice of you. Thank you very much. But
37:48
I think your idea of what's very hard to do
37:50
and my idea of what's very hard to do are
37:52
two totally different things. Because acting on a sitcom is
37:55
easy as fuck. Okay. It's so... It's boiling water.
37:58
Speaker 1: You know what?
38:04
Speaker 2: You know what? This is Joe DeRosa in the green
38:06
room of the mothership. You know what? How many times
38:10
do you have to say that? Okay.
38:14
Speaker 1: I go to that green room. You're all fucking– I'll
38:17
go after you, dude. You walk funny. You look diseased.
38:21
It's just not stuff.
38:23
Speaker 2: It's fucking easy. If you're a comic, it's easy. If
38:26
you're used to doing stand-up in front of a live audience,
38:29
that's a lot harder. And then the acting, they give
38:33
you– especially if you're working with great people. I was
38:37
doing scenes with Dave Foley and Maura Tierney and all those.
38:40
They were amazing. The cast was incredible. Kathy– Excuse me,
38:45
Vicky Lewis, Andy Dick, Candy Alexander.
38:48
Speaker 1: Stephen Root.
38:50
Speaker 2: They were incredible.
38:51
Speaker 1: I will say this to you, though.
38:53
Speaker 3: The fact that what you just said, it's easy, is
38:55
why I think you should be doing it. I think
38:58
you are a natural fucking actor, and I think you're... Let's.
39:02
Speaker 2: Just pretend, dude. It doesn't... Listen, it's not Daniel... I've
39:06
never done Daniel Day-Lewis acting. That's like the real acting.
39:09
Val Kilmer acting.
39:10
Speaker 1: Right.
39:10
Speaker 2: In Tombstone. That's real acting.
39:12
Speaker 1: I think you could.
39:14
Speaker 2: Well that's not interesting if I had another life if
39:17
I had another life I love movies I fucking love
39:19
movies you know what's.
39:20
Speaker 1: A great show what's that a great.
39:22
Speaker 2: Show it's called Lucky and it's on Apple it's about
39:26
what is that lady's name with the big eyes yeah
39:28
I watched the first episode she's really beautiful but very
39:30
unusual looking. What is her name again? Anna Taylor Joy.
39:34
Is that her name?
39:34
Speaker 1: I think so.
39:36
Speaker 2: She was in The Queen's Gambit. She fucking killed it
39:39
in The Queen's Gambit.
39:40
Speaker 1: Anya.
39:40
Speaker 2: Anya.
39:41
Speaker 1: Anya Taylor- From The Witch, right?
39:43
Speaker 2: Is she in that too?
39:44
Speaker 1: I think that was her first movie was The Witch.
39:46
Speaker 2: I didn't watch The Witch. No one in my family
39:47
would watch it with me. I want to watch it.
39:49
I'm a giant Robert Eggers fan. I think he fucking
39:53
murdered Nosferatu. I think it was the best vampire movie
39:55
by far of all time.
39:57
Speaker 1: Nosferatu was dope. The Lighthouse was dope.
40:00
Speaker 2: You've seen The Werewolf? The Werewolf trailer that's coming out?
40:02
Speaker 4: Okay.
40:03
Speaker 2: Okay. Don't you okay me, you son of a bitch.
40:05
I have.
40:06
Speaker 1: I have.
40:06
Speaker 2: Don't you okay me, you son of a bitch.
40:09
Speaker 1: Here's what I will say.
40:10
Speaker 2: What the fuck are you going to say?
40:12
Speaker 1: I love Robert Eggers. I'm not knocking it.
40:14
Speaker 3: But it's the fourth movie he's released. We're in the trailer.
40:18
I see black and white footage and a lot of
40:20
people twitching.
40:22
Speaker 2: That's what you need. That's what I'm looking for.
40:25
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right. Come on, bro. I don't know
40:28
if it's going to be different.
40:29
Speaker 2: This looks phenomenal.
40:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:32
Speaker 2: Phenomenal. Of course he's twitching. He's turning into a werewolf.
40:35
What the fuck is wrong with you, DeRosa?
40:37
Speaker 1: There's no world where it'll be a bad movie.
40:40
Speaker 2: No world. Doesn't exist. That guy knocks it out of
40:42
the park A plus every movie.
40:44
Speaker 1: The Witch.
40:45
Speaker 2: The Northman. Have you seen that?
40:47
Speaker 1: I did.
40:48
Speaker 2: Fuck. You didn't love that?
40:51
Speaker 1: I didn't love it.
40:51
Speaker 2: Get out of this room.
40:52
Speaker 1: I didn't. No.
40:52
Speaker 2: Go home.
40:53
Speaker 1: You stop.
40:54
Speaker 2: Go home. I'll tell everybody about your special after you leave.
40:57
You son of a bitch. How could you not like
40:59
The Northman?
40:59
Speaker 1: I wanted more battles. I wanted more like- It was perfection.
41:03
Speaker 2: A plus.
41:04
Speaker 1: You know what took me out of The Northman?
41:05
Speaker 2: He might be my favorite director of all time.
41:07
Speaker 1: You know what took me out of The Northman?
41:08
Speaker 2: What? You being a pussy?
41:11
Speaker 1: No. Take it easy. No, I'll tell you what took
41:15
me out of it. Nicole Kidman having full plastic surgery
41:18
in 1650 or whatever. It was taking me out of it.
41:22
It was fucking me up.
41:23
Speaker 2: Let me see what she looks like back then.
41:25
Speaker 4: Anya Taylor-Joy is in this movie, too.
41:26
Speaker 2: Is she? She's in The Northman? Of course she is.
41:27
She rules. She rules.
41:29
Speaker 1: But I think Eggers does great work. Or Eggers, excuse me,
41:32
does great work.
41:33
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, he's the best. I think he's my favorite
41:35
director of all time, next to Tarantino. Tarantino's always going
41:37
to be number one. But this guy's... Because I feel
41:41
like there's levels to movies, and I think Tarantino, he's
41:45
the undeniable peak of the mountain. And then everything else
41:49
is pretty dope. Scorsese's got some murder. He's got some killers.
41:54
But a bunch of those guys have a few lemons.
41:57
You know what I mean?
41:58
Speaker 1: You're going to have some lemons. I mean, Scorsese's output
42:02
is incredibly high. And it's like, of course, you're going
42:04
to have a few duds.
42:05
Speaker 2: Well, this is one of the reasons why Tarantino's the goat.
42:08
It's because he figured out how to have no lemons.
42:10
Other than death proof, which Tony loves. We argue about
42:13
it all the time. So I don't see plastic surgery
42:16
in Nicole Kidman.
42:17
Speaker 1: They showed her for a second.
42:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, she looked good.
42:19
Speaker 1: I don't think she's in the trailer a lot.
42:22
Speaker 2: Let me see Nicole Kidman. And that was a long movie.
42:28
That was a long time ago, this movie, right? What
42:30
year was this? It's probably pre-COVID, I think. I think so.
42:35
I think it's like 2017 or 18. Does it say, Jamie?
42:41
Speaker 3: I'm amazed with Robert Eggers that he gets wide release
42:45
theatrical releases with the types of movies he does.
42:49
Speaker 2: I think it's because they sell. They fucking sell, dude.
42:53
I mean, they're so good. They're so good. People love
42:56
them and they go to see them. I mean, it's
42:57
really that simple.
42:59
Speaker 1: It's wild.
42:59
Speaker 2: What year was it, Jimmy?
43:00
Speaker 1: Four years ago.
43:01
Speaker 2: Oh, really? That was only four years ago?
43:04
Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
43:05
Speaker 2: It's post-credit. Oh, crazy. See if you can find a
43:07
photo of Nicole Kidman from that.
43:11
Speaker 3: And I'm obviously not saying the movie's bad because Nicole
43:13
Kidman had plastic surgery, but it does take me out
43:16
of it when I see somebody doing a period piece.
43:18
Speaker 2: See, that doesn't look like plastic surgery to me. She
43:21
looks totally normal.
43:22
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because I remember.
43:24
Speaker 2: Maybe you just want her to have plastic surgery because
43:25
you're a hater.
43:26
Speaker 1: I'm not shitting on Nicole Kidman.
43:27
Speaker 2: By the way. You seem to be a little bit
43:28
of a hater. She looks perfect.
43:30
Speaker 1: She's got a, yeah.
43:31
Speaker 2: What are you saying?
43:32
Speaker 1: A little work.
43:33
Speaker 2: She looks perfect. A little work.
43:34
Speaker 1: A little work.
43:35
Speaker 2: I don't see work, dude. I see a beautiful face.
43:38
You son of a bitch. What the fuck is wrong
43:40
with you? Don't you go. So down there when she's
43:42
with Anya Taylor-Joy, right there, that's her right there. So
43:46
that looks a little fillery, unfortunately. That look, I think,
43:51
has gone away, though. I think ladies are realizing that
43:53
nobody likes it. The filler face. Did you see the.
43:56
Speaker 4: Trailer for this thing, the Neuromancer?
43:58
Speaker 1: No.
44:00
Speaker 2: What's this?
44:01
Speaker 4: Nerds are super pumped. This is like the story where
44:03
the Matrix and shit came out of this. So it's
44:08
going to be a TV show, actually. It's not even
44:09
a movie.
44:10
Speaker 1: Wait, how do you mean The Matrix came out?
44:12
Speaker 2: Who wrote the book?
44:13
Speaker 4: The ideas of jacking in and stuff like that.
44:15
Speaker 2: Yes, who wrote that book?
44:17
Speaker 4: Off the top of my head, from 1984, William.
44:22
Speaker 2: William Gibson. Yeah, this is supposed to be a movie
44:25
that people were concerned was impossible to, or a book rather,
44:31
that people were concerned was impossible to translate into a
44:34
film correctly. I don't know why because I haven't read
44:37
the book, but I've read that argument. There's no way
44:39
you're ever going to really nail this.
44:40
Speaker 4: He's just jacked in, and now he's in some new space. Again,
44:44
I haven't read it either. It's no spoiler alert or anything.
44:46
I don't know much about it, but people are very
44:48
pumped that they attempted this, and it looks cool.
44:52
Speaker 1: But wait a second. Did The Matrix just take all
44:55
of its ideas from this?
44:56
Speaker 4: No. Here, I'll find out what I mean when I
44:58
said that.
44:59
Speaker 1: Okay. Lucky.
45:00
Speaker 2: Watts is so lucky. It's on Apple TV. It only
45:03
has seven episodes, and it's only going to be one season,
45:06
I think.
45:07
Speaker 1: I just started watching The Shards, which I'm feeling.
45:10
Speaker 4: The term cyberspace came out of that book, and then, like,
45:15
there you go, a consensual hallucination.
45:17
Speaker 2: Consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of authorized operators.
45:21
Speaker 4: The matrix actually itself, I think, came out of there.
45:23
Speaker 2: Ooh. Well, that's coming, right? That's coming. He was ahead
45:30
of his time. He figured it out.
45:32
Speaker 1: So now this is a weird thing, okay? And this
45:35
is a thing you notice with these directors that break
45:39
through and do an amazing first movie, and then it's
45:42
kind of followed by a lot of ho-hum stuff.
45:45
Speaker 2: You mean The Matrix?
45:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
45:47
Speaker 3: Well, The Wachowskis, The Matrix was this cultural phenomenon. It
45:51
changed everything and blah, blah, blah, blah. Their movies after that,
45:54
except for maybe V for Vendetta, none of them really
45:57
ever lived up to that. So now we're seeing this,
46:00
and I'm like, Well, did they just get all the
46:02
great ideas for The Matrix from this other thing and
46:04
then they made a great movie and then that's why
46:07
they were never able to kind of hit that again?
46:09
Speaker 1: Every Matrix sequel is terrible.
46:11
Speaker 2: They're literally jacking in the same exact way through the
46:14
back of the head.
46:15
Speaker 1: Yeah.
46:16
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.
46:16
Speaker 1: And they're saying the term The Matrix came out of
46:19
the– That's crazy. I thought they made that up.
46:21
Speaker 2: You know, they got sued too because some lady wrote–
46:25
I think it was a graphic novel. It might have
46:27
been a short story or a graphic novel. I forget
46:30
what it was. But she wrote a story and brought
46:34
it to them, apparently.
46:35
Speaker 4: Well, she also said she wrote The Terminator for both.
46:39
Speaker 2: So is she just a kook?
46:41
Speaker 1: That's a kook.
46:42
Speaker 4: She had a manuscript titled The Third Eye from 1980s.
46:46
And she... Yeah, I saw the story. I remember when.
46:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
46:51
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why she's a kook. You know
46:53
the story? Well, because he mentioned The Terminator. Harlan Ellison...
46:58
Wrote an episode of The Outer Limits. It was called
47:00
Demon with the Glass Hand.
47:02
Speaker 3: Harlan Ellison sued James Cameron when The Terminator came out.
47:06
And he goes, that's my fucking story. I did it
47:09
on The Outer Limits in the 60s. And Harlan Ellison
47:12
got paid. And they were like, yeah, it's actually kind
47:14
of the same thing. So this lady did not write
47:18
The Terminator in the 80s.
47:20
Speaker 2: Well, it could be multiple influences. It could be. Multiple influences. Right?
47:28
It could be.
47:29
Speaker 1: The worst one is, and I'm a fan.
47:31
Speaker 2: Of the guy. We're not accusing anyone of plagiarizing.
47:35
Speaker 1: No, no, no.
47:35
Speaker 2: But we're saying if someone was going to plagiarize, why
47:37
wouldn't they plagiarize from multiple sources? You can't just say
47:40
just because he stole a giant chunk of it from
47:43
that one episode of a show, that doesn't mean that
47:47
he didn't steal a bunch of other stuff. And I'm
47:49
not saying anybody stole anything.
47:50
Speaker 1: Right, right.
47:51
Speaker 2: I don't think James Cameron stole a goddamn thing.
47:53
Speaker 1: I don't think he stole anything.
47:54
Speaker 2: I think he saw it. He might not have even
47:55
seen it. There's a lot of parallel thinking when it
47:58
comes to this concept of AI and robots being like people.
48:03
It's in Battlestar Galactica. Sure, sure. I mean it's like
48:06
there's a lot of that where people become robots. It's
48:09
in the original Alien movie in 1979, remember?
48:12
Speaker 1: Right.
48:13
Speaker 2: There's a fucking artificial intelligence that is their guy that
48:17
they don't know is a robot until it has– I
48:21
think they beat it to death. How did they find
48:23
out that it's a robot? It's– I think they kill it.
48:28
They knock its head off until they find out it's
48:30
a robot.
48:31
Speaker 1: Blanking on the– it's– oh, God.
48:34
Speaker 2: The guy's a great actor.
48:35
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorites and I'm blanking on his name.
48:37
Speaker 2: So this is 79 that they did that, right? So
48:40
that's the Terminator. Like these concepts have been around for
48:43
a long time. The concepts of artificial intelligence taking over.
48:48
Speaker 3: I think it was more the plot line of this
48:50
robot comes back.
48:52
Speaker 2: Oh, in time?
48:53
Speaker 1: It was something like that.
48:55
Speaker 2: Oh.
48:55
Speaker 3: And I don't think James Cameron stole it either because
48:57
there's no other evidence of him ever swiping something. But
49:00
I do think like we all do this thing where
49:02
we see something, we don't remember. It goes into the
49:05
subconscious and maybe you go, I got a great idea.
49:07
And you're not realizing, oh, actually, that's a thing I
49:10
saw when I was 10.
49:11
Speaker 2: He's pretty intensely creative, like an original.
49:15
Speaker 1: I don't.
49:16
Speaker 2: Imagine that he would do that.
49:18
Speaker 1: I would hope not.
49:19
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
49:20
Speaker 1: But Harlan Ellison did win the case.
49:24
Speaker 2: Interesting. I wonder how much he got paid. How much
49:29
did Harlan Ellison get for that lawsuit? Did they disclose it?
49:33
Or did they pay him just to shut the fuck up?
49:36
Speaker 1: Well, Ellison is, I mean, he is Everybody that loves sci-fi,
49:42
he's their favorite sci-fi guy.
49:43
Speaker 2: Really?
49:44
Speaker 1: He is the guy.
49:44
Speaker 2: That's a bold statement.
49:45
Speaker 1: He's the guy. Ellison is the guy. You should read
49:49
up on Harlan Ellison. You would love.
49:50
Speaker 2: I probably should. There's not enough time to consume all
49:54
the things. Yeah. There's so many things to consume. Dispute
49:59
ended out of court settlement. There you go. Rather than
50:01
a court ruling. So they just paid him to shut
50:04
the fuck up. So they probably gave him a fat check.
50:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is. Soldier and Demon with the Glass Hand.
50:11
Speaker 2: Involved combatants from a future war arriving in the present,
50:15
including a relentless futuristic soldier sent to kill. Ellison argued
50:18
that the Terminator borrowed this core setup. Commentators often mention
50:23
his Outer Limits episode, Demon with the Glass Hand, but
50:25
Ellison himself reportedly said his principal claim concerned Soldier, not
50:31
that episode. So it seemed like it wasn't, maybe it
50:34
was more than one thing. Hmm. Either way. You could–
50:40
it's like every werewolf movie is a guy gets bit
50:45
by a werewolf.
50:46
Speaker 1: Sure. You know what I mean?
50:47
Speaker 2: Sure. You could say no one can make a werewolf
50:50
movie anymore because of the wolfman because you're all stealing
50:53
from the wolfman.
50:54
Speaker 3: Well, I think the difference is that's werewolf mythology overall.
50:59
Speaker 2: That's true.
51:00
Speaker 1: Versus– you know what I mean?
51:02
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, of course. I mean that's– yeah, bad example.
51:06
It's not an original story.
51:08
Speaker 1: But you would.
51:09
Speaker 3: Love Harlan Ellison because he was just– I'm sure. My
51:12
favorite story of his is he talked about when he
51:14
was in college and he goes, my literary professor said
51:16
I had no talent so I got expelled because I
51:18
punched him in the throat.
51:23
Speaker 1: He's a maniac. Maniac.
51:25
Speaker 2: God, how many bad teachers have ruined a kid's future
51:29
by telling them they have no talent?
51:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, right?
51:32
Speaker 2: How many?
51:32
Speaker 1: It's nuts.
51:33
Speaker 2: So many. There's so many stories like that. So many
51:36
stories of some shitty teacher.
51:38
Speaker 1: It's nuts. Did you have, when you were getting into, well,
51:43
how old were you when you said, I'm going to
51:45
go do comedy. I'm not going to do any of
51:46
the shit that I studied in school. I'm going to actually.
51:48
Speaker 2: Well, I barely studied in school. I only went to
51:50
school because I didn't want to be a loser.
51:53
Speaker 1: Literally.
51:53
Speaker 2: I went to UMass Boston, like the continuing education program.
51:57
So I didn't have to take my SATs. I only
52:00
went for three years. I was wasting my time. And
52:02
the whole time I was doing it, I was fighting.
52:04
And that was my primary concern. That was what I
52:06
was thinking about. And I was teaching at Boston University.
52:09
Speaker 1: Oh, you mean like MMA fighting? Okay, gotcha.
52:12
Speaker 2: Kickboxing and taekwondo.
52:14
Speaker 1: Okay.
52:15
Speaker 2: And that was my concern. I really was. But you
52:20
tell people, you know, oh, what do you do? Oh,
52:23
I'm a taekwondo fighter. Fucking loser. You fucking loser. I'm totally,
52:30
I would not tell people what I did.
52:32
Speaker 1: I'm going to school.
52:32
Speaker 2: I'm going to UMass Boston. That was literally, that's what
52:35
I was doing.
52:36
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. That's so fucking funny, dude.
52:38
Speaker 2: I was a four-time state Taekwondo champion. I fought all
52:41
over the country.
52:43
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
52:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.
52:44
Speaker 1: I knew you had fighting in your background. I didn't
52:46
know you were a champ and stuff.
52:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really good when I was young at Taekwondo.
52:49
I was really good.
52:50
Speaker 1: What made you switch gears from that to go into comedy?
52:54
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, there's no future in it. There
52:56
was no future. I tried out for the Olympics in 88.
52:59
I made it to the nationals. I won the states
53:01
and I made it to the nationals. I made it
53:03
to the third fight. In the Nationals, I lost. That
53:06
was in Miami in 88. And then I realized, like,
53:09
I wasn't as enthusiastic about it anymore. Oh, yeah, you
53:13
got extra cigarettes?
53:14
Speaker 1: Thank you. Look at that here.
53:15
Speaker 2: Yeah. I knew you might want some. Leave them there
53:18
for everybody.
53:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
53:21
Speaker 2: And then I was also getting brain damage, and I
53:25
was very aware of that. I would lie in bed
53:28
at night after sparring, and my head would be ringing.
53:30
Speaker 1: Just throbbing, just throbbing. Jesus Christ.
53:35
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm doing this for free. There's
53:38
no money in this. I'm not making any money.
53:40
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
53:41
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was sparring a lot, especially kickboxing sparring. I
53:45
was getting hit a lot. It was a lot of
53:47
like kickboxing wars and it was just not worth it.
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It was just not. And I was realizing like I
53:54
got to get out before I become that guy at
53:56
the gym because there were some guys that I had
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met and then I'd watch them deteriorate a little. during
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the time that i knew them and i was training
54:04
with them i watched their personalities change i watched them
54:08
get like slower like i could see their movement was
54:11
compromised because they got brain damage they've been knocked out
54:14
a few times and i was realizing like oh this
54:17
is a real problem and no one seems to be
54:20
thinking about it everyone's like pretending it doesn't exist because
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they just want to be a tough guy and they
54:25
just want to fight and win and It becomes the
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thing you do. And the thing you do is the
54:30
only thing you know. And if that thing is bowling,
54:33
then you bowl every night. If that thing is golf,
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then you golf every day. If that thing is fighting,
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you're fighting all the time. And it was– by the
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time I was– and I was also realizing there's no
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I'm always going to be poor. I'm always going to
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be like wondering where my next paycheck is coming from.
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Speaker 1: And that was it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you moved fairly fast, right, through stand-up?
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Speaker 2: Well, see, I did half-hour comedy hour, MTV half-hour comedy hour.
56:09
I was like, ugh. Five years in, five years in
56:14
the standup. And then I got on the television show, Hardball,
56:19
the show I did with Jim Brewer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Did that, flew out here or flew out to California rather.
56:24
And that got canceled after six episodes. And then I
56:27
got news radio right away. So I only auditioned for
56:30
two shows ever.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Hardball and news radio. And I got both of them.
56:34
It was the luckiest streak of all time. No acting class.
56:38
I took a couple of acting classes that I had
56:40
to take. When Disney gave me the money, the first
56:43
development deal, they said, do you know how to act?
56:45
I'm like, I don't know. Why are you guys giving
56:48
me money? It made no sense. They just wanted to
56:50
put me on a sitcom. And this was in the
56:53
90s when sitcoms were like Roseanne and Seinfeld. It was
56:57
a goldmine. If you could find a personality that you
57:00
thought was someone who would click on a sitcom that
57:03
people would want to watch every Tuesday night or whatever
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it was, they were willing to pay you a lot
57:08
of money. And then all of a sudden– I was
57:10
out in LA, but it was never a desire of mine.
57:13
So because it wasn't a desire of mine, I didn't
57:16
get nervous. I didn't get nervous doing auditions. It was
57:21
not a thing where I'm like, this could change my life.
57:24
This could be it. It was like, what am I
57:25
doing here? What is this? What am I doing here?
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Speaker 1: You're good at it. That's what you were fucking doing there, man.
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Speaker 2: It's not hard, dude. Again, it's not real acting. It's
57:37
not Marlon Brando. It's You're just pretending that this thing
57:42
is happening in the newsroom. It's not hard. It's fucking easy.
57:48
I mean, in the meantime, I'm doing jujitsu. I was
57:52
still sparring back then, so I'd go to the jet
57:54
center and kickbox and spar. And so I'd go to work.
57:57
I'm like, this is so easy. This is so easy
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compared to stand-up and kickboxing and everything else.
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Speaker 3: Did you notice when you said you were noticing– damage
58:08
happening because of your head throbbing and ringing or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Did you notice any.
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Speaker 3: Other effects or did you cut it off before any
58:15
effects could actually– like actual things that were affecting you?
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Speaker 2: No, I didn't notice anything like I was compromised or
58:22
I couldn't think well or I was forgetting things. It
58:25
wasn't like that. I think I cut it off before
58:27
I got that bad. But I definitely got some brain damage,
58:29
100 percent. And I think it plays a part of
58:32
my impulsiveness in my– I– you know– I like scary things.
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I like things that make me nervous. I like things
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that are really hard to do. And I think that
58:44
might be part of that.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: That I got rattled a bunch of times in my
58:48
formative years.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Because from 15 to 21, who knows how many times
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I got hit in the head.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: A lot.
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Speaker 3: We're very different in that way. You're a guy that
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I think very much.
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Speaker 1: Likes conquering the challenge.
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Speaker 2: Well, it keeps me sane. That's what keeps me sane.
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I think you make the voluntary things that you engage
59:13
in that are way more difficult than the rest of
59:16
your life. It makes the rest of your life easier
59:19
because these hard things that you do voluntarily, voluntary adversity,
59:22
you force yourself to do hard things all the time.
59:25
So then when– Other things that are seemingly hard come up.
59:29
You're like, oh, this ain't shit compared to a cold plunge.
59:34
This ain't shit. I just did a workout, a hypoxia workout.
59:39
And so it's at– I have a box in my
59:42
studio that goes to– it takes all the air out.
59:45
So it puts you at the equivalent of 15,000 feet
59:48
above sea level. And you do this interval training. So
59:53
you do sprints on the Airdyne machine. You get off
59:56
of that and you do these kettlebell cleans and presses
59:59
or swings. And you get off of that and then
1:00:01
you do the sled. And you push the sled or
1:00:04
you do backwards on the sled. And it's got varying resistance.
1:00:06
And you do them in these 50-second, 40-second, and then
1:00:09
30-second sprints. So like everything else is easy.
1:00:15
Speaker 1: God damn, dude. I'm just– I can't. I admire it.
1:00:20
I admire the shit out of it.
1:00:21
Speaker 2: Well, it's just– for me, I think everybody should do
1:00:24
something hard. It keeps me sane. For me, I need it.
1:00:28
I don't know– I'm not other people. I don't pretend
1:00:34
to know how they feel. But I know how I feel.
1:00:36
If I don't exercise regularly, I have more anxiety. I
1:00:40
don't feel comfortable. I don't feel good. I'm more irritable.
1:00:43
I don't like it. I don't like that feeling. When
1:00:46
I work out really hard and I do the things
1:00:49
that I'm supposed to do, I feel great. I feel friendly.
1:00:52
I feel happy. I feel light. I feel like life
1:00:56
is easy.
1:00:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a thing. I'm not blowing smoke. It's a
1:01:00
thing I've noticed about you. You're a very, I would
1:01:04
even say, happy-go-lucky kind of guy.
1:01:06
Speaker 3: You're very friendly. You're always in a very good mood.
1:01:09
I've very rarely seen you, and I see you frequently
1:01:12
now at the club. Very rarely seeing you come in
1:01:15
where you're like, eh, fuck. Like, I don't think ever,
1:01:19
to be honest with you. And it's, I guess, everything
1:01:22
you're saying.
1:01:23
Speaker 2: Like, it puts you in. It's a choice. It's a
1:01:24
choice to feel like that. That don't do you any good.
1:01:28
Unless you're trying to do something with that, fuck this.
1:01:30
Unless you've got some shit you have to get done
1:01:33
that's hard and you want to have this attitude where
1:01:36
you're going to attack it. Like, fuck this. Like, regular life. Like,
1:01:39
why upset? Why? You're not in Gaza.
1:01:43
Speaker 1: Right. What are you doing?
1:01:44
Speaker 2: You're not in Ukraine hiding in a fucking bunker. What
1:01:47
are you talking about? Yeah. What are you bitching about?
1:01:49
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:01:50
Speaker 2: You're living an easy life in America and you're rich. Right.
1:01:54
How dare I be upset?
1:01:56
Speaker 1: Sure.
1:01:57
Speaker 2: How dare I? Sure.
1:01:58
Speaker 1: Imagine. Sure.
1:01:59
Speaker 2: With the fortune, the luck that I've had in this life,
1:02:02
me being pissed off at things. That's why it doesn't
1:02:06
bother me when people talk shit about me either. I'm like, okay.
1:02:10
Like talk that shit. You could have fun.
1:02:13
Speaker 1: You could teach.
1:02:13
Speaker 3: Remember when YouTube was doing those master classes where like
1:02:16
a guy would sit down and like Steve Martin would
1:02:18
be like, I'm going to teach you how to do
1:02:20
right comedy or whatever.
1:02:21
Speaker 1: And David Mamet did one on writing or whatever.
1:02:23
Speaker 3: You could do a master class on YouTube in how
1:02:26
to let the shit roll off your back because I
1:02:30
am astounded at how much it does not bother you
1:02:35
when people are are releasing clips and talking this and
1:02:39
it's all bullshit, whatever.
1:02:41
Speaker 1: And you're just like, yeah, whatever, man.
1:02:44
Speaker 2: Have fun. Knock yourself out. It doesn't– you can't stop
1:02:48
people from having an opinion. There's always going to be
1:02:50
people that have an opinion. And then in this market
1:02:53
of hot takes, there's always going to be people and
1:02:55
their opinion is– negative opinions are more valuable in terms
1:03:00
of the commodity of attention. Attacking someone, calling someone out.
1:03:05
It's more valuable than this commodity.
1:03:07
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:03:08
Speaker 2: And then there's people that have legitimate, differing opinions of me.
1:03:11
And they don't like this and they don't like that.
1:03:13
They don't like I said this or they don't like
1:03:15
this person that I had on. What am I supposed
1:03:18
to do? Address all of it? Even think about it?
1:03:21
I police myself as much as I can. Believe me.
1:03:25
If I fuck something up, I'm mad at me more
1:03:27
than anybody is mad at me. Right. So that way–
1:03:31
I get it out on my own. I don't need
1:03:33
a lot of external validation. I don't need any. I'm
1:03:36
not interested in that. I'm interested in doing the best
1:03:39
I can, and I hope people like it, and that's it.
1:03:43
Speaker 1: The little shit gets me, man.
1:03:45
Speaker 2: I know it does. You need an outlet, Joe DeRosa.
1:03:49
You need a physical outlet to calm your mind.
1:03:52
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:03:53
Speaker 2: That's what you need. You need to get a trainer.
1:03:55
Just hire a trainer. We talked about this.
1:03:56
Speaker 1: We have been talking about it.
1:03:57
Speaker 2: Get a trainer.
1:03:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:03:58
Speaker 2: Because you're not going to do it on your own.
1:04:00
Get someone who you show up three times a week
1:04:04
and they put you through the paces. And a smart
1:04:05
trainer will do it nice and slow. So the first
1:04:08
few workouts, it won't even be that hard. You'll leave there.
1:04:11
You'll feel, like, energized. You won't feel exhausted. You'll feel like, oh,
1:04:15
all right. I did a little something. I feel good.
1:04:17
And then he's like, okay, we're, this is a process.
1:04:20
You know, we're going to, we're going to keep ramping
1:04:22
this up slowly, but surely, but you're never going to
1:04:24
be like, oh my God, I can't fucking move. I
1:04:26
went to my fucking trainer. He's killing me. My back
1:04:29
is killing. I can't get off the couch. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1:04:31
A good trainer is going to look at you, ask
1:04:34
you how, what have you been doing? When was the
1:04:36
last time you worked out? How often you do? Okay,
1:04:39
let's start here. And they'll start you off with some
1:04:42
simple body weight stuff. They'll put you through some different
1:04:45
mobility exercises, different stuff to just get the joints lubed up,
1:04:49
get everything moving, and then build your body up nice
1:04:52
and slow, nice and slow.
1:04:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, my boy Chuck, you know Chuck, Mexican OT's dad, Chuck. Yes.
1:05:00
Speaker 3: Chuck, right when you and I talked about when you
1:05:03
were like, you should get a trainer, Chuck said to me, unprompted,
1:05:07
he goes, Joe, let me train with you.
1:05:09
Speaker 2: Dude, take him up on it.
1:05:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he goes, I'll come to your apartment. Let's
1:05:14
just go. I'll come to your apartment.
1:05:15
Speaker 2: Dude, that guy's jacked.
1:05:16
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:05:17
Speaker 2: Take him up on it. He knows what he's doing.
1:05:18
Speaker 3: And he said everything you just said. He goes, we're
1:05:20
going to go slow. It's not going to be this
1:05:22
overwhelming thing. Because I get overwhelmed easily, obviously. And I
1:05:26
was like, Chuck. It's going to be too much. And
1:05:29
I'm going to start. And he goes, we're not going
1:05:30
to do that. We're going to take it really slow.
1:05:32
Let me just come to your place, whatever. And so
1:05:34
I think I'm going to start doing it with him
1:05:36
because I just need to.
1:05:37
Speaker 2: If you go to the wrong trainer, there's some trainers
1:05:39
out there that are meatheads or they don't really know
1:05:41
what they're doing and they'll beat you down. And they're like,
1:05:44
we're going to fucking push it today. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1:05:47
You can't push it when someone doesn't work out. When
1:05:50
someone doesn't work out, you go nice and slow. Nice
1:05:53
and easy. And then you slowly build up to the
1:05:56
point where you can push it, right? You don't take
1:05:58
a fucking Prius and you drive it around the racetrack sideways.
1:06:03
Speaker 1: Right.
1:06:03
Speaker 2: It's not designed for that. Right. The suspension is going
1:06:06
to fall off. The wheels are going to– there's no traction.
1:06:09
You've got no tires. Right. You're going to have to
1:06:11
build up everything.
1:06:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:06:13
Speaker 2: And then once it gets built up, then you can
1:06:15
push it. So once you get in– look at Jelly Roll.
1:06:17
Jelly Roll lost literally almost 300 pounds.
1:06:20
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
1:06:22
Speaker 2: Which is crazy. Now he's running on the treadmill. He
1:06:26
did six miles when we came in to do a podcast.
1:06:29
We're all working out together. Right. And he's fucking running
1:06:32
on the treadmill while we're talking.
1:06:33
Speaker 1: We're talking.
1:06:34
Speaker 2: He can breathe. He can talk. He's running a good clip.
1:06:38
Got in the sauna with me. Did the whole thing.
1:06:40
When I first met him, he's 500 pounds.
1:06:42
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
1:06:42
Speaker 2: Could barely make it up the stairs to the comedy club.
1:06:45
He couldn't walk up the stairs. Now... He's fit.
1:06:50
Speaker 1: Now he's healthy.
1:06:51
Speaker 2: He runs all the time. So it's just a process
1:06:54
of building to get to that place. He did that show.
1:06:58
McConaughey has this benefit every year. And we went to
1:07:01
the benefit. And he performed at the benefit. And he's
1:07:06
on stage. And we were backstage watching it. And so
1:07:08
me and Tony and his girl and my wife were
1:07:11
in the corner watching this. Jelly gets off stage. And
1:07:14
there's a railing, like a ramp to get off. He
1:07:16
grabs the railing. And hops over it and lands on
1:07:20
the other side. I go, dude, do you know what
1:07:22
you just did? I go, you used to be 500 pounds.
1:07:26
And now you just jumped over that railing like a cat.
1:07:29
Speaker 1: That's wild.
1:07:29
Speaker 2: It was amazing.
1:07:30
Speaker 1: That's wild.
1:07:31
Speaker 2: He was so happy. He's like, isn't this crazy?
1:07:33
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's crazy.
1:07:35
Speaker 2: Look what you've done.
1:07:36
Speaker 1: That's wild.
1:07:37
Speaker 2: And that's what you have to do. And it took
1:07:39
him years. And that's how you have to do it.
1:07:41
It has to be slowly but surely. But along the way,
1:07:44
you'll feel better every step of the way. It's not
1:07:47
about breaking your body down. It's about slowly introducing movement
1:07:52
and some physical exercise and then building upon that. Ten
1:07:57
push-ups in a day. Then the next day, you try 12.
1:08:01
And then a week later, you're doing 15. And then
1:08:04
two weeks after that, maybe you can do 20 in
1:08:06
a row or three weeks, a month, two months, whatever
1:08:09
it is. Everybody's got their own timing. Body weight squats,
1:08:13
very simple. Start with 10. No big deal. Get to
1:08:17
90 degrees, pack up. Just enough, just to get the
1:08:19
blood moving. Walking is fucking great. You know what's really great?
1:08:23
Walking with a weighted vest. Not that hard to do.
1:08:26
Put a 20-pound vest on, 25-pound vest on, walk around
1:08:28
the block. It's fucking great for you. There's a lot
1:08:31
of different things that you could do that don't crush you.
1:08:34
And then you're just going to feel a little better.
1:08:37
You'll have a little bit more vitality, more blood flow.
1:08:41
And then you build upon that. That's the key.
1:08:44
Speaker 3: I was building slow. I was doing three days a week.
1:08:46
And it was getting better and better and better. And
1:08:49
then end of the summer hit.
1:08:52
Speaker 1: August hit.
1:08:53
Speaker 3: I started going on the road again. And all of
1:08:56
a sudden it starts to taper off. Because you're like,
1:08:59
now I got to fly on this day when I'm
1:09:01
usually doing my thing. And I got lazy and I
1:09:04
got to get back into it.
1:09:05
Speaker 1: I got to get back into it.
1:09:05
Speaker 3: But the good thing is this, with what you're saying
1:09:07
with the slow build, when I start again, I'm able
1:09:11
to start where I stopped.
1:09:12
Speaker 1: I'm able to start there again. You know what I mean?
1:09:15
Speaker 2: Right, rather than where you began.
1:09:16
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:09:17
Speaker 2: That's great. Listen, man, it's all about momentum. Discipline is
1:09:21
very important, but really momentum makes discipline a lot easier.
1:09:26
It's like you say, oh, you've got really good discipline.
1:09:31
Sort of. I get started. Once you get started, it's
1:09:35
more about momentum than it is about discipline. And then
1:09:38
it's also about writing things down. If you just write
1:09:41
it down, you have to do it.
1:09:42
Speaker 1: Right.
1:09:43
Speaker 2: You write it down and make a check. That way,
1:09:44
instead of like keeping this thing in my head, oh,
1:09:46
I'm just going to figure out my own workout. I'll
1:09:49
do this. I'll do that. No, I have a whiteboard.
1:09:51
I write down on the whiteboard. This is what we're doing.
1:09:54
And then you just do it.
1:09:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a list in my phone. These are
1:09:57
your exercise, 20 reps of each of these. And I
1:09:59
just kept adding exercises to it.
1:10:02
Speaker 2: I don't know a good app, but I'm sure there's
1:10:04
some out there that are like a really good workout
1:10:06
app that will vary your workout every day based upon
1:10:08
your level, based upon like how much experience you have.
1:10:13
Speaker 1: The apps get confusing. I tried a couple of them.
1:10:18
Speaker 2: There's got to be a good one out there. I
1:10:19
just don't know what they are.
1:10:20
Speaker 1: It's a lot of questions that I'm like, I don't
1:10:22
fucking know, man.
1:10:23
Speaker 2: Well, that's because they're trying to make it good. They're
1:10:25
trying to make an app that gives you what you need.
1:10:30
Speaker 1: But yeah, exerciseapps.com. Again, there's good ones, I'm sure.
1:10:35
Speaker 3: But exercise apps kind of became like dating apps where
1:10:37
there's a million that are all saying, we're going to
1:10:40
change your life in three days.
1:10:41
Speaker 2: And you're like, no, you're not. I think most important
1:10:43
is a real good trainer is more important because he
1:10:46
can correct your form in real time, tell you why.
1:10:49
Don't do it like that. You're going to hurt your back.
1:10:50
Don't do it like this. You're putting too much pressure
1:10:52
on this and that. And you're not balanced, whatever it is.
1:10:55
He can get you to do it correctly, which is
1:10:57
more important than anything. Especially once you start actually lifting weights,
1:11:02
you know. Pavel Tatsulin, who's the– he's the guy who
1:11:06
really brought kettlebells to popularity in America. It's a Russian
1:11:09
cat and great system of training. But one of the
1:11:14
things that he said that really stuck with me, he
1:11:15
said strength is a skill. And you should think of
1:11:18
strength as a skill. So like when you're working on
1:11:21
your skills, like kettlebell cleans and presses, you shouldn't be exhausted.
1:11:26
You should do– he does– instead of doing it to failure,
1:11:30
like a lot of people like to work to failure.
1:11:31
Imagine– You can clean and press 50 pounds 10 times
1:11:36
until you're, like, really exhausted. And on the 10th time, you're, like,
1:11:38
kind of cooked. Don't do 10. You do 5. Right.
1:11:41
Just do 5. And then wait a long time. Wait, like,
1:11:44
5 minutes. Rest up completely and then do another 5.
1:11:48
Do it that way.
1:11:48
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
1:11:49
Speaker 2: Because that way you're always fresh and you're working on skill.
1:11:52
You're still getting the same amount of repetitions, but you're
1:11:55
not torturing your tissue. You're not taxing your system. You're
1:11:58
learning it. And you're not taking any shortcuts at all.
1:12:01
You're not moving weird. You're not leaning into something in
1:12:04
a weird way. You're going to hurt yourself because you're
1:12:06
all out of line. You're doing everything with correct form
1:12:08
because you're not exhausted. Yeah. But you're still getting the
1:12:11
same amount of work in.
1:12:12
Speaker 3: The rest time is interesting because I always thought, well,
1:12:16
like I was doing two different types of push-ups. I
1:12:19
was doing the fucking 45 finger spread push-up. Down, hold, up, whatever.
1:12:26
Speaker 1: And I could get through 20 of those. Initially, I couldn't.
1:12:29
Speaker 3: And then when I was able to get through 20,
1:12:30
I was like, holy shit. And then I was doing
1:12:32
a different pushup with the arms back like this. And those,
1:12:36
when I got to that, I'd.
1:12:38
Speaker 1: Hit 10 and I'd be like, fuck.
1:12:42
Speaker 3: And then I'd sit for a minute and then a
1:12:44
minute would go by and I'd be like, you got
1:12:45
to do the other 10. Because if you wait too long,
1:12:47
I always thought waiting too long was a bad thing.
1:12:50
Speaker 1: But you're saying, no, actually rest five minutes. Take a breath.
1:12:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. As long as you
1:12:55
have the time to do the same amount of reps.
1:12:58
You just want to get enough work in so that
1:13:00
your body forces adaptation. It doesn't have to be all
1:13:04
to failure. Now, again, it depends on what we're trying
1:13:08
to do, right? If you're trying to build up muscular endurance, then, yeah,
1:13:11
you go to failure. It depends on what you're trying
1:13:13
to do. If you're just trying to get stronger, that's
1:13:16
a different thing. Mm-hmm. And then, you know, obviously I
1:13:19
do different kinds of workouts like the workout I did today.
1:13:21
It's all exhaustion stuff. It's all sprinting. It's not like
1:13:25
the kettlebell stuff. This is all high altitude and it's
1:13:29
all like maximum intensity on the airdyne bike, maximum intensity
1:13:32
on the sled, maximum intensity on the kettlebell cleans. You're
1:13:36
beating yourself up because you're only doing it for 50
1:13:38
seconds or 60 seconds, 40 seconds, and then 30 seconds.
1:13:43
So it's like I do a bunch of different kinds
1:13:45
of exercises. But when I do like strength stuff, I
1:13:49
don't ever do it to failure.
1:13:51
Speaker 1: Can you do– is there a thing– like some people
1:13:55
go the 100 push-ups a day, whatever. That's their thing.
1:13:58
Speaker 3: I always wondered, well, is it the same if you
1:14:01
do 100 push-ups just throughout the day?
1:14:04
Speaker 2: 100%.
1:14:04
Speaker 1: 100%.
1:14:05
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if you start at 9 and finish
1:14:07
at 3.
1:14:08
Speaker 2: Farmers don't lift hay to failure, right? They pick up
1:14:12
a bale of hay. They chuck it under the pile.
1:14:14
They go back to get another one. They pick up
1:14:16
a bale of hay. They chuck it on the pile.
1:14:17
They go back to get another one. They push a wheelbarrow.
1:14:20
They fucking hammer a post down. They do a bunch
1:14:22
of different things. They do it all throughout the day.
1:14:24
But they're never doing anything where they're just– very rarely
1:14:27
at least– where they're lying flat on their back, breathing.
1:14:30
They think they're going to have a fucking heart attack.
1:14:33
They never have that. They never get to the point
1:14:34
where they're dropping the bale of hay because their arms
1:14:36
are shaking. And they're like, one more rep. But yet
1:14:41
they get ridiculously fucking strong, right?
1:14:44
Speaker 1: Why?
1:14:44
Speaker 2: Because of all the work. It doesn't have to be
1:14:47
work to failure. In our mind, we think, oh, you
1:14:50
have to go to failure in order to get stronger. Again,
1:14:54
we're talking about very specific things, getting stronger, using kettlebells especially,
1:14:59
but you can do dumbbells and other things as well.
1:15:02
If you're now– if you're doing something else– Like if
1:15:06
you're trying to get maximum amount of bench press, if
1:15:10
you're trying to like win a competition or maximum amount
1:15:12
of chin-ups you can do, then it's a different thing.
1:15:15
We're talking about a different thing. But if you're just
1:15:17
talking about overall building strength for your body, the most
1:15:20
important thing is volume I think. And it's– if you
1:15:24
can– like I said, I think this principle that Pavel
1:15:29
Tatsalin has is a really good one. That instead of
1:15:32
doing 10, if you do 10 to failure, do 5.
1:15:35
Wait a while. Do five again. And I think it
1:15:37
lessens the opportunity to get injured. You're much less likely
1:15:41
to get injured doing it that way. I'm very rarely
1:15:45
injured from working out. Very rare. From just kettlebell stuff,
1:15:48
like very rarely. Right. All right. All right.
1:15:52
Speaker 1: You're inspiring me to hop back in and start doing
1:15:55
it again. I've really been.
1:15:57
Speaker 2: You just got to get somebody to help you. Get
1:16:00
Mexican OT's dad. Yeah. Get him to help you.
1:16:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:16:03
Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing.
1:16:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. No, that dude's fucking jacked.
1:16:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the perfect guy. And what he said is
1:16:10
the right, like he knows what he's doing. That's why
1:16:13
he's the guy to get you doing it nice and
1:16:15
slow and just build you up. And also he's fun.
1:16:17
He's cool to hang out with.
1:16:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:16:20
Speaker 2: You like that too. You don't want to be an
1:16:21
annoying trainer. It's always asking you to post about him
1:16:23
on Instagram.
1:16:24
Speaker 1: Fuck off.
1:16:25
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Anything you post, I got
1:16:28
an energy drink I'm trying to promote.
1:16:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You get those DMs from guys.
1:16:34
Speaker 2: Exhausting. Yeah. All right.
1:16:37
Speaker 1: I'm back.
1:16:38
Speaker 2: There you go.
1:16:38
Speaker 1: You're back. I'm back in, baby.
1:16:40
Speaker 2: Bro, I read the craziest thing today, and I need
1:16:43
to find out if it's true. I sent you the
1:16:44
thing where Nick Fuentes was talking about, Jamie. So apparently
1:16:49
there was this plot where Iran was trying to kill Trump.
1:16:52
Remember when he was supposed to get in the Air
1:16:55
Force One that– Cotter gave him. And then instead he
1:17:00
flew in the old Air Force One.
1:17:02
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:17:02
Speaker 2: Well, they're saying that he actually didn't even go in
1:17:06
the old Air Force One, that they snuck him out
1:17:09
on a truck.
1:17:10
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:17:10
Speaker 2: Like some fucking cargo truck.
1:17:13
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:17:14
Speaker 2: And then put him in another kind of plane and
1:17:17
flew him out of there. And then they put the
1:17:18
press in Air Force One because they were apparently worried
1:17:23
they were going to target Air Force One as well.
1:17:25
So imagine- Trump put the press on Air Force One.
1:17:30
And they were thinking about possibly targeting them.
1:17:33
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
1:17:34
Speaker 2: He hid in an airport catering container and was taken
1:17:36
to a military jet for a secret flight out of
1:17:38
the country after the NATO summit last month. And this
1:17:41
is being reported by The New York Times. The thing is, though,
1:17:44
I think they put the press on Air Force One.
1:17:48
So if they flew him out, it was because they
1:17:51
were worried they were going to try to take down
1:17:52
Air Force One. And they took the press.
1:17:55
Speaker 4: If you take the press off, then they know that
1:18:00
we're not playing games. Everything's normal.
1:18:03
Speaker 2: Exactly. And if the press dies, so sad. But you
1:18:08
just get more press.
1:18:09
Speaker 1: That's fucking wild.
1:18:11
Speaker 2: If that's true, that is so wild that he didn't
1:18:12
even tell them, hey, guys. We're not really going to
1:18:15
get on this plane.
1:18:16
Speaker 1: No one's getting on this plane.
1:18:18
Speaker 2: You guys get out of here. Go take American Airlines home. No.
1:18:22
He's like, hop on.
1:18:23
Speaker 1: It's safe. Yeah.
1:18:24
Speaker 2: It's Air Force One.
1:18:25
Speaker 1: Guys, my gift to you. Take Air Force One. Enjoy it.
1:18:29
There's food up there. Sandwiches on there. Enjoy yourself.
1:18:32
Speaker 2: Is that absolutely what happened?
1:18:34
Speaker 4: It says reporters on the older plane were not told
1:18:36
that Mr. Trump had not flown with them from Turkey
1:18:39
to an airbase in Britain. making them unwitting participants in
1:18:43
the ruse and leaving them, along with some White House
1:18:46
staff members, to serve as unknowing decoys.
1:18:50
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
1:18:50
Speaker 4: After they arrived in Britain, he was secretly moved back
1:18:52
to the older version of Air Force One.
1:18:54
Speaker 1: Bro. Jesus Christ.
1:18:57
Speaker 2: Those press people were signing up for something they didn't know.
1:19:00
They didn't know what they were signing up for. And
1:19:04
they didn't tell them at all that when you want
1:19:07
to know who's more important, you You are the president.
1:19:09
That's when you find out.
1:19:10
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
1:19:11
Speaker 2: They just throw you on Air Force One. Shrimp cocktail.
1:19:16
Speaker 1: Boom.
1:19:17
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you turn into fucking protons.
1:19:20
Speaker 1: It's like fucking Goodfellas when he's telling Karen to go.
1:19:23
Go now. Go down and get the dresses.
1:19:25
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
1:19:25
Speaker 1: There's dresses. No, I'm okay. Holy shit. That is fucking wild.
1:19:36
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
1:19:37
Speaker 1: That is fucking wild. That's crazy. Yeah. Has there been backlash? Jamie,
1:19:44
are they saying anything?
1:19:46
Speaker 4: Who's saying anything?
1:19:47
Speaker 1: The press.
1:19:49
Speaker 2: I would imagine they're a little perturbed. That would perturb me.
1:19:55
Jesus Christ. That's so crazy.
1:19:59
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
1:19:59
Speaker 2: Imagine if it blew up. It's like, I should have
1:20:02
been there. I wanted to be there with them when
1:20:03
they died.
1:20:05
Speaker 1: They're heroes.
1:20:08
Speaker 2: He would probably talk shit about them.
1:20:09
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. That is fucking nuts.
1:20:11
Speaker 2: Maybe they had written nicer things about me. I would
1:20:13
have told them.
1:20:14
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. I just watched Michael, the Michael Jackson movie.
1:20:21
Speaker 2: How was it?
1:20:24
Speaker 3: Look, it's the first part of his life up till bad.
1:20:27
They don't get into any of the crazy shit. They're
1:20:29
saying they're making a sequel that they might get into
1:20:32
some of the crazy shit.
1:20:33
Speaker 1: But it was fun. I'm a big Michael Jackson fan.
1:20:35
It was fun to watch. But I started reading up
1:20:38
on Michael Jackson afterwards because I was like, it just
1:20:41
was very nostalgic to watch. Do you know this? When
1:20:43
he died, he was pronounced dead at Neverland Ranch.
1:20:48
Speaker 3: And they lied to the press and said that he
1:20:50
was at a hospital already and pronounced dead because they
1:20:53
had to get the body out of Neverland Ranch. And
1:20:57
they knew if they pronounced him dead at Neverland Ranch,
1:20:59
they wouldn't be able to get the fucking body out
1:21:02
of the goddamn house.
1:21:03
Speaker 1: Why? Because they said the press would leak it and
1:21:05
the clamoring of fans and whatever else would literally have
1:21:08
blocked them from getting the fuck from transporting the body.
1:21:13
So they had to lie and say, he's dead already,
1:21:16
but he's at this hospital. And it was a decoy
1:21:19
because that's how fucking famous he was. They were like,
1:21:22
we can't drive his dead body from this location to
1:21:25
another or we're never going to get it there.
1:21:27
Speaker 2: People would steal the body. I want to get a finger.
1:21:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, something.
1:21:30
Speaker 2: I want to get a finger. People would have garden clippers.
1:21:33
Speaker 1: Something.
1:21:33
Speaker 2: Try to steal.
1:21:34
Speaker 1: And here's another crazy thing.
1:21:37
Speaker 3: Because I know you've talked about the Michael Jackson, like
1:21:40
the conspiracies around his death on the show before. There's
1:21:43
another crazy thing I didn't know.
1:21:45
Speaker 1: He owned... You know, he had that vast music catalog
1:21:48
that he bought. Right. Of music publishing.
1:21:51
Speaker 2: Right. He owned the Beatles.
1:21:52
Speaker 1: Beatles. Eminem. He bought Eminem.
1:21:55
Speaker 2: He bought Eminem?
1:21:56
Speaker 3: Eminem made fun of him in a video and he
1:21:59
bought Eminem's fucking catalog.
1:22:00
Speaker 1: Oh, I heard about that. Yeah. The most pimp move ever.
1:22:05
I'm going to buy all your fucking music.
1:22:06
Speaker 2: That's so gangster.
1:22:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:22:08
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:22:08
Speaker 1: Right?
1:22:10
Speaker 2: So.
1:22:12
Speaker 1: He owns his catalog, right? I think he might have
1:22:16
owned Dylan. It was crazy. The rights to the music
1:22:19
that he owned was nuts, right? He's with Sony.
1:22:22
Speaker 3: Sony wants the publishing back on all these artists, and
1:22:25
he owns it. And when he did his last album,
1:22:29
he had to take out a loan against the record
1:22:32
company of $ 200 million to do the album because he
1:22:36
didn't have a lot of money left. And they said,
1:22:38
you've got to put up collaterals. And he goes, all right,
1:22:42
I'm going to put up a portion of the catalog
1:22:45
as collateral. And then before he died, he goes, they're
1:22:48
not promoting my album. And because they're not promoting my album,
1:22:52
it's not selling. And then everybody close to him said
1:22:56
it was a ruse. They didn't promote the album on
1:22:59
purpose so that he would lose the fucking catalog because
1:23:03
he wouldn't be able to pay the loan back.
1:23:05
Speaker 1: And then right after that, he died. Really fucked up.
1:23:08
Speaker 2: That's the business he was in.
1:23:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:23:10
Speaker 2: You buy people shit, they fuck you over. That's how
1:23:12
it works.
1:23:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
1:23:14
Speaker 2: Come on, man.
1:23:15
Speaker 1: Well, it's dark, though. You're playing war.
1:23:18
Speaker 2: You're playing war. If they blow up Air Force One,
1:23:20
you got to go, hey, maybe we shouldn't have fucking
1:23:22
killed the leader during Ramadan. This is how it works.
1:23:27
This is how it works. This is the game we're in.
1:23:29
Speaker 1: This is the business we chose.
1:23:30
Speaker 2: Listen, he's in the business of fucking over his enemies.
1:23:34
They decided he was their enemy. They fucked him over.
1:23:37
Speaker 3: The doctor that administered the drug that killed him is
1:23:41
out of jail already.
1:23:43
Speaker 1: Two years. And they're like, no, this guy was just
1:23:45
a fall guy.
1:23:47
Speaker 2: Well, the thing about the doctor is he was asking
1:23:51
the doctor to do that. The doctor shouldn't have done that.
1:23:54
It's not like the doctor killed him on purpose. He
1:23:57
wanted to get anesthetized. I think he was so crazy
1:23:59
that he couldn't sleep. He was so out of his
1:24:02
fucking mind. And he was probably on a bunch of stuff.
1:24:04
It probably wasn't just on propofol. If you're willing to
1:24:07
take propofol to go to sleep, what else are you taking?
1:24:09
Speaker 1: Right.
1:24:10
Speaker 2: You're taking some other things.
1:24:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
1:24:12
Speaker 2: The doctor, the one thing that he said that I
1:24:14
found very fascinating was that he said that Michael had
1:24:17
been chemically castrated when he was young to maintain his voice.
1:24:22
Speaker 1: I've heard that. Yeah.
1:24:23
Speaker 2: And it makes sense. It completely makes sense. If you
1:24:26
look at his body, it makes sense. His body looks
1:24:29
like it's devoid of testosterone.
1:24:31
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes.
1:24:32
Speaker 2: It has no testosterone. He's very thin. If you look
1:24:34
at his brothers, they're all thick. They're all like big dudes.
1:24:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:24:38
Speaker 2: Germaine. They're all like men. They look like men, like
1:24:41
thick men.
1:24:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:24:42
Speaker 2: He looks thin and he looks very different than them.
1:24:45
That's not normal.
1:24:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:24:47
Speaker 2: That's not normal. That's not even normal if you don't
1:24:50
work out. And he was a dancer. So he was
1:24:53
incredibly athletic, right? So in all the working out that
1:24:56
he did, he should have been supple. I mean he
1:24:58
was– obviously he could move so good. I mean he
1:25:01
was– his movement was incredible. Did you ever see that
1:25:05
Bob Fosse movie that apparently he got all those moves from?
1:25:08
Speaker 1: The one– well, OK.
1:25:11
Speaker 3: So which– the miniseries that Sam Rockwell was in or
1:25:14
all that jazz?
1:25:15
Speaker 2: There was a movie. No, before that, a long– earlier.
1:25:19
And it's Bob Fosse doing all the dance moves that
1:25:23
Michael Jackson did.
1:25:25
Speaker 1: I know what movie you're talking about. It's him and, like,
1:25:26
a little kid.
1:25:27
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
1:25:27
Speaker 1: He's in the desert and doing.
1:25:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:25:29
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:25:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:25:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:25:30
Speaker 2: I mean, it's literally all of Michael Jackson's signature dance
1:25:34
moves come from this one movie. Watch this. Watch how
1:25:38
he moves.
1:25:39
Speaker 1: Yep.
1:25:40
Speaker 2: So there's this. He's doing this. But then he also moonwalks. Like,
1:25:44
look at this. Like all this, this is Michael Jackson.
1:25:49
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:25:50
Speaker 2: I mean, 100%.
1:25:51
Speaker 1: Yo, wow.
1:25:53
Speaker 2: Look at this. The kick and the point with the
1:25:56
toes and putting it down. The movement.
1:25:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:26:00
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's literally every movie does. Look at that.
1:26:07
That point with the kick and the toes.
1:26:09
Speaker 1: Even the outfit.
1:26:11
Speaker 2: It's a 1974 movie, The Little Prince.
1:26:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:26:13
Speaker 2: Little Prince, rather.
1:26:14
Speaker 1: Even the outfit with the fedora.
1:26:16
Speaker 2: Bro. I mean, literally, he mirrored his movements.
1:26:22
Speaker 3: It is incredible that Bob Fosse had the stamina and
1:26:26
ability to keep dancing like that for his entire life
1:26:30
until he dropped dead. Because if you watch the Sam
1:26:33
Rockwell miniseries, Fosse and Virden, which is an amazing miniseries,
1:26:38
that guy, bro, he was, I mean, it was intake.
1:26:42
That's all it was. He'd wake up. He's popping fucking pills.
1:26:47
Speaker 1: Speed, boom, boom, boom, coke, booze, cigarettes.
1:26:51
Speaker 3: All day long, chain smoking, chain smoking, chain smoking, drunk
1:26:55
through the whole fucking day, popping pills, doing coke. And
1:26:58
the fact that he could still stand and not just stand.
1:27:02
Speaker 1: Choreograph Broadway shows for hours and be that agile and
1:27:07
whatever is, that's insane to me.
1:27:09
Speaker 2: It's because he loved it.
1:27:10
Speaker 1: It's insane.
1:27:11
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Find the thing you love. Find that
1:27:14
thing and you will have the energy to pursue it.
1:27:17
It's really it.
1:27:19
Speaker 1: But aren't you a little amazed that his intake of
1:27:23
substance could not– would not hinder it in any way?
1:27:26
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy.
1:27:26
Speaker 1: You know?
1:27:27
Speaker 2: But, I mean, we've seen that before.
1:27:30
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah.
1:27:32
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:27:32
Speaker 1: There's– yeah.
1:27:33
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:27:34
Speaker 1: I hear you.
1:27:34
Speaker 2: There's people that have unreal tolerances, like Shane with booze.
1:27:41
It's unreal. Yeah. When you see him pound 16 Bud
1:27:45
Lights and not a slur, not a stammer, nothing, doesn't
1:27:49
miss a beat, puts the sunglasses on, starts getting crazy.
1:27:53
We do protect our parks, and he'll have a stack
1:27:57
of empties at the end. You're like, that is insane.
1:28:00
You should be dead. You should literally be dead.
1:28:03
Speaker 3: My favorite Shane story ever, ever. I don't mean to
1:28:06
tell his story, but this is my favorite Shane story ever.
1:28:10
And I was– the other day I go, dude, you
1:28:11
have to do that on tires.
1:28:12
Speaker 1: It's so funny. He said he ate chicken fingers. And
1:28:17
he felt sick. And he goes to the doctor because
1:28:21
he's like, I think I have food poisoning or something.
1:28:23
It's like something's wrong, right?
1:28:25
Speaker 3: So he goes– he goes, the doctor goes– you know,
1:28:30
he's asking all the questions.
1:28:31
Speaker 1: How much do you do this? Whatever.
1:28:32
Speaker 3: And he goes, how many drinks do you have in
1:28:34
a week? And Shane said he took a beat. And
1:28:36
he's like, I'm going to be honest for once.
1:28:38
Speaker 1: And he goes 80. He's so crazy.
1:28:47
Speaker 2: Oh, that's so crazy.
1:28:48
Speaker 1: He said the doctor starts laughing. He goes, no, come on, man. Seriously.
1:28:51
And he goes, 80. And the doctor goes, it's not
1:28:54
the chicken fingers, man. You drink 80 drinks a week, right?
1:29:00
And I go, what happened? He goes, I went home.
1:29:03
I threw up. I was fine the next day. It
1:29:05
was the chicken fingers. Dude, we were at Chappelle's summer
1:29:15
camp thing, the ranch thing. And we're hanging out. And
1:29:19
I'm about to go on. Shane goes, come on, man.
1:29:22
Have a drink. Have a drink. I go, dude, I
1:29:24
already had two, man. I got to go on, dude.
1:29:27
I got to be careful. He goes, have another drink, dude.
1:29:31
You'll be fine. I go, Shane, I don't want to
1:29:33
be tipsy. He goes, what number drink is that for you?
1:29:36
I go, three. He goes, I've had 17 Bud Lights.
1:29:40
Have another fucking drink.
1:29:42
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be alone in drunk land. He
1:29:45
wants you to be there with him in happy drunk land.
1:29:47
He's a happy drunk, though.
1:29:49
Speaker 1: The best.
1:29:49
Speaker 2: I love him. He's so fun. He's such a fun dude.
1:29:53
He's such, such a unique person. He's very different than
1:29:57
anybody I've ever met. He's like, you would think by, by,
1:30:00
you know, you hear him talk, you think like he's
1:30:02
similar to someone, you know, but he's not different dude.
1:30:05
Fucking smart as shit too. Knows a fuck load about history.
1:30:09
Speaker 1: Loves history.
1:30:10
Speaker 2: Loves it, man.
1:30:11
Speaker 1: Loves history. And, and yeah, he's a very unique specimen.
1:30:15
Speaker 3: He's a, and, and as you said, a very fun drug,
1:30:18
I was just down at the beach with him and, uh,
1:30:22
He was on the beach all day, and I was
1:30:23
at the house. I called it early, and I was
1:30:25
just kind of chilling out inside with McCusker and Tommy
1:30:30
watching a movie.
1:30:31
Speaker 1: We were just chilling. And Shane came back from the beach,
1:30:34
and he was all fucking tuned up from White Claws
1:30:36
or wherever he was drinking.
1:30:38
Speaker 3: And I was laying on this love seat in the
1:30:41
room watching the movie, and he just kept coming up
1:30:44
to me, and he.
1:30:45
Speaker 1: Just kept tickling me. He's going, come on, dog.
1:30:47
Speaker 2: Come on, dog.
1:30:48
Speaker 1: Come on, dog. And I I'm like, you're awesome. You're fun.
1:30:52
It's just, he's so fun, man.
1:30:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's, he's life of the party. Him and Joey
1:30:57
Diaz in a room together with everybody else is like,
1:30:59
oh my God, you got two enormous personalities, lives at
1:31:03
the party in the room together.
1:31:05
Speaker 1: Diaz kills me.
1:31:07
Speaker 2: He's the best man. He's, he's out here all the
1:31:09
time now.
1:31:09
Speaker 1: I know.
1:31:10
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he's getting a place here at the
1:31:12
end of the month and he's going to do a residency.
1:31:14
So he's going to do like two weeks a month.
1:31:16
He's going to be here.
1:31:17
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
1:31:18
Speaker 2: Oh, it's fucking incredible. It's incredible.
1:31:20
Speaker 1: He's the best man. He's the fucking best.
1:31:22
Speaker 3: It's so fun having him around. The last time he
1:31:26
was here, I was doing my monthly– my end friend
1:31:30
show at the Mothership. And he was– the first comic
1:31:37
was on or whatever and.
1:31:38
Speaker 1: He goes– he's like, Joe, could I go up on
1:31:41
your show? And I go, of course.
1:31:42
Speaker 2: Of course.
1:31:44
Speaker 3: And he went up, and it was just seeing the
1:31:46
pop from the audience. I was like, man, this is
1:31:49
fucking great, dude. It's fucking fun having him around.
1:31:51
Speaker 2: We're very lucky. We're very lucky. We've got an amazing
1:31:53
group of people around us all the time. It's a
1:31:56
lot of fun.
1:31:57
Speaker 1: And he said the funniest fucking thing.
1:32:00
Speaker 3: We were talking about diet and exercise and lifestyle change
1:32:05
and COVID. I was doing too much of this or
1:32:08
that or whatever. And I go, when was your big change, man?
1:32:12
Speaker 1: He goes, Joe, you know what fucking day it was?
1:32:16
It was the day of the fucking resurrection. And we go, what?
1:32:20
And he goes, fucking January 6th, the fucking resurrection. And
1:32:25
we go, do you mean the insurrection? He goes, whatever
1:32:31
the fuck it was called. I don't give a fuck. Oh, man.
1:32:37
Speaker 2: He used to call Khabib Nurmagomedov Kalabeeb. The fucking Kalabeeb guy.
1:32:44
You know, it's a part of his charm, fucking up
1:32:47
people's names.
1:32:47
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. He's so funny. The best dude, man.
1:32:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:32:51
Speaker 3: He lives right near where my parents live in Jersey.
1:32:53
And I was like, oh, dude, man, when I go
1:32:56
see my folks, I'm going to. I'm going to get
1:32:58
in the car and drive up and hang out with
1:33:00
you for a night because it will be such a
1:33:01
great break from just being with my mom and dad.
1:33:05
And he's just– he's the best, man. He's just got
1:33:07
a truly big-hearted dude, man.
1:33:10
Speaker 2: I was really worried once he moved to New Jersey
1:33:12
we'd never get him out here because I went with him.
1:33:15
We went out to eat in New Jersey and he's
1:33:17
the king in New Jersey. I'm like, fuck. Everywhere we go, Joey. Yeah.
1:33:22
Yelling his name. Went to the restaurant. Everybody knows him.
1:33:26
It's like immediately everybody's like running over to take care
1:33:30
of us. Joey's here. Joey's here. And I'm like, oh,
1:33:32
he's the king of New Jersey. He's never going to leave.
1:33:34
He's never going to leave. He loves it here. But
1:33:37
there wasn't enough comedy there for him. There wasn't enough comics.
1:33:42
And one of the things that I always say is
1:33:44
that we don't exist in a vacuum. We always exist
1:33:47
with each other, comics in particular. You can't really– do
1:33:53
comedy by yourself. You can, but you can't do it
1:33:55
to your best. You need other people doing it around you.
1:33:59
You need to see it. You need to be around it.
1:34:01
The hang to the talking about bits in the green
1:34:04
room is so huge. Like a son has given me
1:34:07
two killer taglines after like seeing, seeing a bit and saying,
1:34:11
what about this? Like, Oh my God, that's perfect. Yeah.
1:34:15
Those things, we're always tuning each other's shit up or
1:34:18
reminding each other of a bit. I remember Tony's bits
1:34:23
better than Tony does sometimes. I had to tell him
1:34:25
how a bit goes. He's like, oh my God, I
1:34:28
forgot that. I'm like, dude, go do that. Go do
1:34:30
that right now. He went up and did it right
1:34:32
then and murdered.
1:34:32
Speaker 1: That's great.
1:34:33
Speaker 2: You forgot. You forgot the bit.
1:34:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:34:38
Speaker 3: It's a very individualized sport in the sense of golf.
1:34:45
where you're always playing against yourself, but it's a very
1:34:48
communal sport in the sense that you're not playing necessarily
1:34:52
in a literal sense with the team, like a sketch
1:34:55
group would, but you're playing with the team.
1:34:57
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? The team is in the
1:34:59
green room.
1:35:01
Speaker 3: You're playing with the team in the sense that your
1:35:02
buddy is on before you, your buddy is on after you.
1:35:06
Speaker 2: You're all doing sets together.
1:35:07
Speaker 3: And the game is I got to play my best
1:35:10
game because I've got to follow the guy that just said.
1:35:13
Speaker 1: A good game.
1:35:13
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:35:13
Speaker 3: And I need the guy after me to have a
1:35:15
good game so I can't fuck up his game.
1:35:17
Speaker 1: Yes. And it's a very interesting dynamic of team versus
1:35:23
individual play.
1:35:24
Speaker 2: There's also just the atmosphere elevates you. And I noticed
1:35:28
that for sure about the Comedy Store and the Glory Days.
1:35:30
And the Glory Days, like 2014 to 2019 when we left, like, whew.
1:35:36
There was so much activity there. There were so many
1:35:39
guys that were going up. There was so much good
1:35:40
comedy that you would just get elevated just being around it.
1:35:44
Like it raised your own personal bar, like what your
1:35:47
high watermark was. And it just– you're around like guys
1:35:51
with really tight acts. And it just– it really helps.
1:35:55
It helps everybody. It's so important to be around other
1:35:59
great comics. And that's why these hubs like New York
1:36:02
is so great for that, L.A., And now Austin, it's
1:36:06
like these hubs are so important because you really– we
1:36:10
go on the road on the weekends, right? That was
1:36:12
the thing about the store. But on Tuesday and Wednesday
1:36:14
were some of the best nights because on Tuesday and Wednesday,
1:36:18
it would be Jesselneck, Diaz, fucking Greg Fitzsimmons, Dom Irera,
1:36:25
over and over.
1:36:26
Speaker 1: Murderer's Row.
1:36:28
Speaker 2: Burr would pop in and maybe Chris Rock was in town.
1:36:31
It was like, god damn, these nights were insane. Yeah.
1:36:34
They were so good.
1:36:36
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the reason I moved to Austin and
1:36:43
the thing that continues to be the greatest challenge for
1:36:47
me here in a good way, in a constructive way.
1:36:51
Because people say all the time to.
1:36:53
Speaker 3: Me online and shit, they'll be like, oh, you moved
1:36:55
to Austin for Kill Tony. I'm like, I didn't fucking
1:36:58
move to Austin for Kill Tony. I knew Tony and
1:37:01
I were friends and I had done the show. I
1:37:03
didn't become kind of.
1:37:04
Speaker 1: A part of that show until after I lived here
1:37:08
because Tony started to put me on and we started
1:37:10
to have fun. And then it grew from there.
1:37:12
Speaker 3: You and I were, we're buddies, but like we're much
1:37:15
tighter as pals now than we were.
1:37:17
Speaker 2: Well, we're around all the time.
1:37:20
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:37:21
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:37:23
Speaker 3: So I moved here primarily for television. well, number one,
1:37:28
I love Austin and I always, and I used to
1:37:30
live here and I always wanted to go back. And
1:37:31
once you could do comedy here, it was like a
1:37:33
reason to go back.
1:37:34
Speaker 1: Right. And you could work. The other reason was I was,
1:37:38
I was like, I did New York. I did LA.
1:37:40
Speaker 3: I want a new challenge. And there's a new scene
1:37:42
now and all that stuff. But the thing that puts
1:37:45
me on my toes the most, uh, and still does
1:37:49
is this is the best place for young comics to
1:37:53
To be able to pursue comedy because they can actually
1:37:56
live here.
1:37:56
Speaker 1: They can afford it. New York has become unaffordable.
1:37:59
Speaker 2: L.A.
1:37:59
Speaker 3: Has become unaffordable. A young comic can come here, can
1:38:03
live like a human being and pursue their dream.
1:38:07
Speaker 1: And those are the.
1:38:08
Speaker 3: Guys that keep me on my– because you're like, dude,
1:38:12
it doesn't matter if I'm the only guy on this
1:38:14
lineup that has done.
1:38:15
Speaker 1: TV or whatever. You got five people going up. that
1:38:18
are fucking swinging for the fences. Because when you're young,
1:38:23
you really are like, I gotta fucking prove myself. So
1:38:27
you're following, even if it's four unknown people, they're doing
1:38:31
their A shit. They are trying to kill as hard
1:38:34
as humanly possible.
1:38:37
Speaker 3: And you're like, all right, I got to fucking bring it.
1:38:41
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
1:38:42
Speaker 2: It's that and it's also their enthusiasm for it. You know, and,
1:38:46
and the thing about Austin is we have a real
1:38:49
system at the club that actually develops talent.
1:38:53
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:38:53
Speaker 2: Like we have two nights of open mic nights and
1:38:55
we have a real talent coordinator. Adam really watches everyone.
1:38:59
He watches the open mic nights. He gives people advice.
1:39:02
He gets them spots. He helps them. He gets them
1:39:04
on showcase nights. He puts them on, he gives them sets,
1:39:07
gives them feedback, and then they get to work all
1:39:10
around town. There's, Five other fucking clubs on the same street, man.
1:39:14
Speaker 1: It's crazy, dude. You can walk from your place to Sunset,
1:39:21
to the Creek, to Vulcan, Black Rabbit, to Vulcan. And
1:39:26
then if you don't mind walking 20 minutes, you can
1:39:29
be at Roscoe's, East Austin. It's fucking nuts, man.
1:39:35
Speaker 2: It's crazy. And then there's also Cap City. Which is
1:39:38
on the other side of town, which is fucking awesome.
1:39:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:39:41
Speaker 2: It's amazing here.
1:39:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:39:43
Speaker 2: And there's so many young people that have moved here now.
1:39:46
And then the Kill Tony thing. The Kill Tony thing
1:39:49
is so huge because it's– first of all, you have
1:39:53
one minute. You have no room for virtue signaling, no
1:39:57
room for fucking claptor. Shut the fuck up. Just where's
1:40:01
the jokes? Come with the jokes. And then no one
1:40:03
takes anybody– no one is taking themselves seriously. Everybody is
1:40:06
getting cracked on. Everyone's cracking on everybody. It's very fun.
1:40:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:40:09
Speaker 2: It's a fun environment and it's just emphasizing funny. What
1:40:13
is funny? What makes people laugh? Yeah. And there's a
1:40:16
bunch of different styles that do it. You know, there's
1:40:19
a bunch of different weirdos that go up every week
1:40:22
and most of them have no chance, but there's some gems.
1:40:26
And that's the thing about having like a true meritocracy
1:40:30
where all that matters is if you're funny, it's it
1:40:33
doesn't matter what you look like. It doesn't matter what
1:40:35
your background is. There's, I mean, Kill Tony is like
1:40:38
one of the most diverse lineups you're ever going to see.
1:40:41
For all the people that think that Tony's a Nazi,
1:40:43
it's kind of hilarious. It's insane. Trans people, disabled people,
1:40:48
people from all walks of life, literal homeless people who
1:40:51
have gone on stage, started a career because of Kill Tony.
1:40:55
Literally homeless while they're doing it, sleeping in a car,
1:40:59
and the next thing you know, they have a career.
1:41:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It's a truly amazing thing.
1:41:05
Speaker 3: He just did MSG, and I was there and did
1:41:10
the show and then paddled with Jimmy Carr and Attell.
1:41:13
Speaker 2: Do you know how crazy it is that Kill Tony
1:41:15
sells out Madison Square Garden two nights in a row?
1:41:19
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
1:41:20
Speaker 2: When I first did it with him, we did it
1:41:23
in the fucking— the belly room at the store. And
1:41:27
the only people in the audience were like comics. There
1:41:28
was nobody in the audience. There was like 10 other people.
1:41:31
Maybe dude.
1:41:32
Speaker 1: I remember, excuse me. I was down here to do South.
1:41:36
It was when I still lived in New York. I
1:41:38
was down here to do South by Southwest and Tony
1:41:41
hit me up and he goes, buddy, are you in
1:41:43
town Monday?
1:41:44
Speaker 2: I go, yeah. He goes, he did his voice. Yeah.
1:41:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:41:47
Speaker 2: He goes, buddy.
1:41:48
Speaker 1: He goes, he goes, come do kill Tony. Right. I go, okay.
1:41:52
I hadn't seen him in years, you know? And the
1:41:56
last I saw him, I did it in the belly room.
1:41:59
Maybe the main room. I don't, you know, whatever. But
1:42:01
it was at the Comedy Store.
1:42:03
Speaker 3: Dude, I walked into the fucking Vulcan because it was
1:42:05
before Mothership opened. I walked into the Vulcan. It was
1:42:09
like fucking Thunderdome, dude.
1:42:11
Speaker 1: It was two levels. People, like, you could feel the excitement. Dude,
1:42:18
I walked in the green room. Tony goes, there he is.
1:42:21
I go, What the fuck is going on? What is
1:42:26
going on? I go, is it like this every week?
1:42:29
He goes, it sells out in one minute.
1:42:32
Speaker 2: I was like, what?
1:42:36
Speaker 1: I go, did these people fly in? He's like, yeah.
1:42:38
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, it's broken our ticket service multiple
1:42:42
times where it's just the overwhelming demand, the people that
1:42:47
are trying to get tickets versus the tickets that are available.
1:42:49
It's so crazy. It crashes the system.
1:42:52
Speaker 1: That's nuts.
1:42:52
Speaker 2: We had to like revamp the system multiple times just
1:42:56
to deal with it to kill Tony Sales.
1:42:57
Speaker 1: That's fucking nuts.
1:42:59
Speaker 2: It's nuts. Well, it's just because it's so good. It's
1:43:02
that simple. And if you've gone, you want to go again.
1:43:05
It's so fun.
1:43:06
Speaker 3: It's– that moment, it was like– remember in Casino when
1:43:10
Pesci goes out to Vegas for the first time and
1:43:14
De Niro goes– and this is whatever Sharon Stone's character's
1:43:18
name is. And then Pesci looks at Sharon Stone and
1:43:21
he goes, holy shit, Ace, what the fuck you been
1:43:23
doing out here?
1:43:24
Speaker 1: It was that. It was like I saw that crowd.
1:43:26
That crowd was Sharon Stone.
1:43:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:43:28
Speaker 1: And Tony was De Niro. And I go, what the
1:43:30
fuck you been doing out here, man?
1:43:31
Speaker 2: Well, the Vulcan really opened up our eyes to the
1:43:34
fact that we needed a club. And what happened was
1:43:38
no one had done any stand-up at all for months.
1:43:41
And then Tony and I did the Houston Improv, which
1:43:45
was great. It was a lot of fun. We did
1:43:47
a weekend. It was in the middle of the COVID.
1:43:49
It was in July, and everyone was scared. And I
1:43:52
did it, and it was a lot of fun. I
1:43:54
hadn't done stand-up in months. It was so much fun.
1:43:57
But then I started thinking, what if I get COVID
1:44:00
and then give it to one of my fucking guests
1:44:01
and kill them? It was back when people were really
1:44:04
worried that COVID was going to kill you. I was like, oh, no,
1:44:06
because I have these people that come in. Some of
1:44:08
them are older. And I had this lady on who
1:44:11
was a scientist, and she was older. And I was like,
1:44:13
what if I gave her COVID and killed her? Because
1:44:16
that was back in the day. That was also, but
1:44:17
people were really convinced that you could be asymptomatic and
1:44:21
still spread it, which turned out really what was going
1:44:24
on was there was a lot of false positives for
1:44:26
the PCR test. 80 plus percent false positives. And so
1:44:32
I said, let me just take time off. I don't
1:44:34
want to do that. It feels totally irresponsible just because
1:44:38
I would want to get my comedy fix. Let me
1:44:40
just ride this out. And then we wound up moving
1:44:42
to Texas. And by the time we moved to Texas,
1:44:46
it was around November. And Dave and I were doing
1:44:52
these outdoor shows.
1:44:53
Speaker 1: I remember that. Stubs, right? Yeah.
1:44:54
Speaker 2: We were doing shows at Stubs, which was a lot
1:44:56
of fun. But everybody had to be tested. People had
1:44:59
to wait in line. It was a big deal. And
1:45:02
a few people tested positive. We had to kick them out.
1:45:05
Speaker 1: Right.
1:45:06
Speaker 2: Then the Vulcan just started doing shows. Fuck your tests. Yeah.
1:45:11
Let's just go back to the way it was. And
1:45:12
this is in November. And Ron White went up and
1:45:16
he hadn't gone up in like eight months. He hadn't
1:45:18
done any stand-up in eight months. And he went on
1:45:20
stage and the audience went fucking berserk. They went berserk.
1:45:24
Like people were standing up. Yeah. And he murdered. I mean,
1:45:29
Ron White just laid it down for 15 minutes.
1:45:32
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
1:45:33
Speaker 2: And then he grabs me by the shoulders off stage.
1:45:35
He goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're
1:45:37
going to keep doing this. He goes, you got to
1:45:39
open up that club. And I was like, all right. Okay,
1:45:42
we're going to open up a club. And that was
1:45:43
when I decided, Mike, that's it. We're going to open
1:45:45
up a club. And then I immediately started looking at
1:45:47
real estate and immediately tried to find a place.
1:45:50
Speaker 1: Wow. I didn't know that. I didn't know that that's
1:45:52
how the whole.
1:45:52
Speaker 2: That was it. Ron White grabbing me. Because Ron White
1:45:55
is why I moved here in the first place. So...
1:45:58
I knew Ron moved here in 2018, and me and
1:46:02
Ron were talking on the phone. He was like, I
1:46:04
fucking love it here. And he's telling me how great
1:46:07
Austin was, and everything else was locked down. I was like, look,
1:46:10
if I move to Austin, if no one's doing stand-up
1:46:12
again ever, at least I can hang out with Ron. Sure.
1:46:15
At least it'll be a comic that I can hang
1:46:17
out with and live in a place where it's more
1:46:19
relaxed and it's easier to get around. Sure. You don't
1:46:22
have to wear a mask everywhere. It was like at
1:46:24
least it was more chill here.
1:46:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:46:26
Speaker 2: Even if we never do stand-up again. And so him
1:46:29
doing that and just grabbing me and saying, we're going to,
1:46:32
we got to fucking do this, whatever the fuck we
1:46:34
have to do. That's what he said. Like he was
1:46:36
just on fire coming off stage, just on fire and
1:46:39
just grab my shoulders. And I was like, okay, we're
1:46:42
doing it.
1:46:43
Speaker 1: That's fucking great.
1:46:44
Speaker 2: And that's when I did it. Cause I was always,
1:46:45
we were talking about it. Like we should open up
1:46:47
a club where, and I looked at a bunch of
1:46:49
different places, but they kind of sucked and they were
1:46:51
trying to fuck me. They were asking way too much
1:46:53
money for these places. Like during the, In the beginning
1:46:56
stages of the pandemic when everyone was moving here from California,
1:46:59
everyone got crazy with real estate. They got really nutty.
1:47:01
Speaker 1: Oh, it was bat shit.
1:47:03
Speaker 2: They got really delusional. The prices went up like 100%
1:47:06
in a lot of places.
1:47:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going through it now because I bought a
1:47:10
condo here and I'm trying to sell the condo and
1:47:12
buy a house. And it's very tricky now because the
1:47:16
market has shifted so much and value has.
1:47:19
Speaker 2: There's way too many condos for sale.
1:47:21
Speaker 1: Way too many. Way too many.
1:47:22
Speaker 3: I'm worried that I'm going to end up buying this
1:47:24
house and not be able to get rid of this
1:47:25
goddamn condo.
1:47:26
Speaker 2: You're going to have to keep the condo.
1:47:29
Speaker 3: I don't have any need for it. I'm like, I
1:47:30
don't know what I would do with it, you know?
1:47:32
But I also don't want to live in this condo
1:47:34
anymore because originally.
1:47:35
Speaker 2: That's where you take sketchy women. Women that you think
1:47:40
might rob you? Because I know you date a lot
1:47:42
of sketchy gals. Take him to the condo. Have a
1:47:47
house where it's calm and peaceful, a little bit off
1:47:50
the track. Get a little yard. Get some peace and quiet.
1:47:54
Speaker 1: Take her to the condo. She goes, why is there
1:47:56
only an air mattress in here?
1:47:58
Speaker 2: How come you only have four pairs of.
1:48:05
Speaker 1: Underwear? It's not a bad point you make.
1:48:07
Speaker 3: I've had a few people in my condo where I'm like,
1:48:09
I don't know if this was a mistake.
1:48:12
Speaker 1: Give this address away.
1:48:13
Speaker 2: Once you have people showing up at your house, they're like, oh, no.
1:48:16
Speaker 1: It's, oh, wait. You were just– you were talking about
1:48:22
starting the club.
1:48:23
Speaker 4: Oh, oh.
1:48:24
Speaker 3: What's so weird is it's an odd like kind of
1:48:28
full circle moment. But when I lived here in 2000,
1:48:33
your club was the original Alamo.
1:48:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:48:36
Speaker 3: And the Alamo Draft House– at that time was the
1:48:40
only movie theater ever in the country that served food
1:48:44
and alcohol during a movie. And I remember that being
1:48:50
a place that I went to frequently because I thought
1:48:52
it was so amazing that you could get.
1:48:53
Speaker 1: Food during a movie and the kinds of movies they played.
1:48:58
I loved.
1:48:59
Speaker 3: And then on top of it, I was, I always
1:49:02
saw that as the reason that I loved Austin. It
1:49:06
was sort of just a, it was just sort of a, a,
1:49:08
a symbol of why I loved Austin, the concept of
1:49:11
it all. And it's so weird now that I've moved
1:49:13
back after all these years that that's where the mothership is.
1:49:17
And now that's my symbol for living in Austin and,
1:49:21
and being a part of this club and, and, and
1:49:23
that club be getting all these other places that we
1:49:26
get to perform in the scene and all that stuff.
1:49:28
It's a very weird, like kind of full circle thing.
1:49:30
I didn't realize until right now, as we were talking about.
1:49:32
Speaker 2: We need to have a birthday party for the building.
1:49:36
The building turns 100 next year.
1:49:37
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
1:49:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to have a birthday party for the building.
1:49:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. You absolutely should. Yeah. Yeah.
1:49:44
Speaker 2: We should do something.
1:49:45
Speaker 1: A lot of history in that building.
1:49:47
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:49:48
Speaker 1: A lot of cool shit.
1:49:48
Speaker 2: You could feel it. I felt it when you never
1:49:52
got to be here when it was bare bones, but
1:49:54
when it was bare bones, when it was just the
1:49:56
movie theater, before we did all the renovations and raised
1:49:59
the ceiling or lowered the ceiling and raised the floor
1:50:03
and changed it and made the tunnel and all the
1:50:05
structure that we put in place. When we first got
1:50:08
in there, like you could feel it. You could feel
1:50:10
it like baked into the walls. I mean, Stevie Ray
1:50:12
Vaughan performed there.
1:50:14
Speaker 1: What was it before the Alamo?
1:50:16
Speaker 2: It was a bunch of different things. So at one
1:50:18
point in time, it was like a punk rock club.
1:50:22
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:50:22
Speaker 2: So like Black Flag performed there and Like, who's this?
1:50:26
Speaker 4: Chili Peppers in 86.
1:50:27
Speaker 2: Chili Peppers, 86.
1:50:29
Speaker 1: So that's why all of those punk flyers are in
1:50:33
the green room.
1:50:34
Speaker 2: The green room is all flyers from people that performed
1:50:38
at the club. Their shows. I didn't know that. Yeah.
1:50:41
Speaker 1: I thought it was just a cool, like, decor thing.
1:50:44
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. Well, it's that, too.
1:50:45
But it's also, look at it. He's got the sock
1:50:47
over his cock. Raw butthole, right on our stage. Yeah,
1:50:51
there you go. Yeah, all those things on the wall,
1:50:55
all those different people. Wow. Willie Nelson, all those different
1:50:58
people performed there. That was their flyer for the show
1:51:01
that they did when they were at the club.
1:51:03
Speaker 1: There's so many bands on that wall where I'm like,
1:51:06
I love that band.
1:51:07
Speaker 2: Butthole Surfers. Yeah, it's tons. So it was a punk
1:51:11
rock band. It was a punk rock club. It was
1:51:13
a rock and roll club. It was a pool hall
1:51:15
for a while. It was a nudie movie theater. Yeah.
1:51:21
Speaker 1: Amazing.
1:51:22
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then obviously it became the Alamo. And then
1:51:25
the Alamo went under, I think before the pandemic it
1:51:28
went under. And then it was available, you know, like
1:51:33
a year later. And I looked at it and I
1:51:34
was like, meh. It's like too much work. And then
1:51:39
that was from what year? 74. Wow.
1:51:43
Speaker 1: So that's Fat Man.
1:51:44
Speaker 2: Yep. That's what it used to look like.
1:51:47
Speaker 1: Fuck, man. I mean, it looks different, obviously, but it
1:51:50
doesn't look that different.
1:51:52
Speaker 2: It looks a lot more narrow.
1:51:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:51:55
Speaker 2: What I don't understand, like what happened? I wonder if
1:51:59
it was two rooms back then. I don't know. It
1:52:04
looks different. It looks very different in terms of, like,
1:52:06
that looks more like it.
1:52:08
Speaker 1: Right.
1:52:09
Speaker 4: Not the same one.
1:52:10
Speaker 2: Oh, different one. Yeah. The middle one looks like it.
1:52:16
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
1:52:18
Speaker 2: But the middle one looks more like it. Go back
1:52:20
to that again. Yeah, that looks more like the dimensions.
1:52:25
Speaker 1: Fuck, man.
1:52:27
Speaker 2: We fit 250 people in the big room. But I
1:52:31
think we could fit a lot more if we have
1:52:33
seating like the Comedy Works in Denver, which I think
1:52:36
is the best seat. That's what it looked like when
1:52:38
we first got there. When we first got there, it
1:52:40
looked like that. And we walked in and we were like,
1:52:42
holy shit. The stage was really high, obviously, because it
1:52:46
was like movie theater.
1:52:47
Speaker 1: Sure.
1:52:48
Speaker 2: And the seating was at an angle, a very sharp angle,
1:52:52
like a movie theater. And so we had to raise
1:52:56
the floor up. So it was flat in the center
1:53:00
and there's just a slight raise in the back. And
1:53:02
then we kept those two balconies. Go back up to
1:53:04
that picture right there. Those two balconies that we have, obviously,
1:53:08
we have the green room balcony and then the VIP balcony,
1:53:10
which is such a dope thing to have.
1:53:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:53:13
Speaker 2: Because there's always friends that come by that want to
1:53:16
come by and see the show. And you always have
1:53:19
40 seats. You could always get 40 people up there.
1:53:23
So there's always plenty of room.
1:53:24
Speaker 1: Those balconies fit 40 people total?
1:53:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:53:25
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
1:53:26
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:53:26
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
1:53:27
Speaker 2: We always can stuff plenty of people back up in there.
1:53:30
Speaker 1: That's fucking, wow. I had no idea the building was
1:53:33
as old as you just said it was. Yeah. And
1:53:35
I had no idea all that other shit was. 1927.
1:53:38
Is this still the main room or is this Little Boy?
1:53:40
Speaker 4: No, that's Kansas City.
1:53:42
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
1:53:42
Speaker 2: Sorry. Similar looking. But, you know, we tried to figure
1:53:46
out how to do it. Do we do it just
1:53:49
like initially we thought, well, maybe we should do it.
1:53:52
just like this like have seating like movie theater seating
1:53:55
and then we're like no we should probably like raise
1:53:59
the floor up and make it flat in the front
1:54:01
it would make more sense you know and then we
1:54:04
had to figure out like what to do with the
1:54:06
stage and then Louie gave me some really good advice
1:54:10
we were going to keep the ceiling the way it
1:54:11
was and Louie was like how can you lower it
1:54:14
and I was like I think we can lower it
1:54:15
like and still get some view out of the balcony
1:54:18
so we had to figure out how to lower the
1:54:19
ceiling just enough so and it made a difference And
1:54:22
then he said lower the ceiling in the little boy too.
1:54:25
And we did that. And then we also made the
1:54:27
stage smaller in the little boy. This is all Louie's advice.
1:54:30
And he was dead on. I was like, tell me
1:54:32
what you think. I listened to everybody. Everybody had got
1:54:35
a say in what to do, what to have. Like
1:54:39
Brian Simpson, it was his idea to have the lights
1:54:42
in the green room, the light that shows you. Someone's
1:54:45
got the light in the big room. Someone's got the
1:54:47
light in the little room. And then I think it
1:54:49
was Tony's idea to put the timers, one or the other.
1:54:52
Maybe it was Tony for the lights, Brian for the timer.
1:54:54
I forget. But everybody had a little piece of the, like,
1:54:58
I think it was Brian's idea to have monitors. It's
1:55:00
like everybody got a say in how it's done. That's
1:55:03
what it looked like when we first walked in. Now,
1:55:06
what does it look like now? I never go in
1:55:08
through the front.
1:55:08
Speaker 1: I know.
1:55:09
Speaker 2: Go to what it looks like now. See if you
1:55:15
can find an image of the mothership.
1:55:16
Speaker 1: It's been redone, obviously, but it looks similar enough that
1:55:19
you can see.
1:55:20
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you can see the bones.
1:55:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
1:55:22
Speaker 2: I mean, it's essentially, it was set up perfectly for
1:55:24
two rooms. There's no pictures of the UFO? That's kind
1:55:33
of crazy. So we have a big UFO as you
1:55:35
walk in.
1:55:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
1:55:36
Speaker 2: There it is. That's the UFO. And it has a projector.
1:55:40
So the UFO is a projector, and up on the screen,
1:55:42
it projects all the people that are coming soon That's
1:55:45
fucking cool. It's been amazing. We've been open for three
1:55:48
years now, and it's been the most fun thing that
1:55:53
I've ever been a part of.
1:55:54
Speaker 1: It's hilarious, dude. I've walked under that projector a thousand times,
1:55:58
and I never realized, or the UFO, I mean, and
1:56:00
I never realized it was projecting shit onto a screen. Yeah,
1:56:02
it's a projector. That's so funny.
1:56:05
Speaker 2: We just wanted to make it cool. And it's also,
1:56:08
I think it's a fire extinguisher. I think the center
1:56:10
of it is a fire extinguisher. I think we had
1:56:11
to have one, so we put it in the center
1:56:13
of the UFO.
1:56:15
Speaker 3: That same time I was talking about during South by
1:56:18
Southwest and when I did kill Tony, it was me
1:56:22
and Adam Ray.
1:56:23
Speaker 1: We're on panel.
1:56:23
Speaker 3: And the next day, Eric invited us over to see
1:56:27
the club. It wasn't done yet, you know, but he
1:56:30
walked us in.
1:56:31
Speaker 1: I remember him walking me through Little Boy and being like,
1:56:35
we're going to do this. We're going to do this.
1:56:37
And I remember he goes, you're going to play here?
1:56:40
And I go, I fucking hope so. I hope so.
1:56:45
Speaker 3: But, yeah, it was wild seeing it, like, you know,
1:56:49
in the construction phase and whatever and then seeing the
1:56:52
final product and remembering, like, oh, I remember.
1:56:54
Speaker 1: He told me they were going to change that.
1:56:56
Speaker 2: It's been really fun.
1:56:57
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and, you know, it's, you know,
1:57:02
I think few people are in a position to have
1:57:05
created a club that can operate the way a club
1:57:08
ideally should operate. And you're one of those people and
1:57:11
you made it work.
1:57:12
Speaker 2: Which is– Well, you have to do it not to
1:57:14
make money. You have to– like my goal in the
1:57:16
beginning was just break even. That was the goal. Like
1:57:19
let's just break even. So the idea is everybody gets
1:57:22
paid what they're supposed to get paid, particularly the comics
1:57:26
get– that's what everybody is here to see. They're not
1:57:29
there to buy drinks in an empty room. They're there
1:57:32
to see the comics. So the comics should get the
1:57:33
most money. That's what I used to always think when
1:57:37
I'd go to other clubs. I'd be like, this is crazy.
1:57:40
But I would always tell comedians, be nice to club
1:57:42
owners because you don't want to be one. You don't
1:57:44
want to be the guy that has to run these
1:57:47
fucking places and deal with these maniacs that come in,
1:57:50
and especially some of the nuttier ones on the road.
1:57:54
Can you imagine if you had to run the Funny
1:57:56
Bone in Columbus, Ohio?
1:57:57
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:57:59
Speaker 2: Fucking animals that show up and miss their flights. They
1:58:04
do ecstasy the night before. They can't read. Yeah.
1:58:08
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's 830, the headline. not there yet like what
1:58:11
the he's trying to score coke yeah it's it's i
1:58:15
i i.
1:58:16
Speaker 3: Always i always said that too i was like i
1:58:19
was like i would never want to be in a
1:58:21
position where i have to deal with comics from that
1:58:25
side of.
1:58:25
Speaker 2: It especially comics coming up There's, like, most established comedians,
1:58:31
once you've been doing it a long time, you have
1:58:33
a career, you're, like, you're reliable. You know? You know
1:58:37
what I'm saying?
1:58:38
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:58:38
Speaker 2: Like, if you book, you know, fill in the blank.
1:58:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:58:43
Speaker 2: You know, whoever it is, is, like, national headliner. They're
1:58:46
going to show up. Yeah. You know?
1:58:48
Speaker 1: Well, also, too, like, the profile, and correct me if
1:58:53
I'm wrong, but the profile that you were able to
1:58:55
bring to the club, Probably helped you circumvent some of
1:59:00
the horseshit that club owners in Idaho have to deal with,
1:59:05
with agents and all that shit, where it's like, hey, man, sorry,
1:59:09
there's an improv there, so... We can't take our guy
1:59:12
out of the improv or whatever. And now you're– there's
1:59:14
a whole other battle now that you have to do. Well,
1:59:16
there's that.
1:59:17
Speaker 2: If you pay people more, they'll go to your place.
1:59:21
That's one thing I found out. And it pisses off
1:59:23
the other clubs. But look, that's not my fault. Like
1:59:27
this is– I am a comedian. I made a living
1:59:30
doing this for a long time and I know the
1:59:32
value of the comedian. I know the value of the comic.
1:59:35
The comic should be getting most of the money. I
1:59:38
don't deserve most of the money. We can make money.
1:59:40
We're going to make money on 20% of the ticket
1:59:43
sales and the liquor and all that jazz. We'll make
1:59:46
plenty of money. Let's not be greedy. Let's just make
1:59:49
an awesome environment. And that's what we wanted to do.
1:59:52
So the goal was never to make money. So most people,
1:59:54
when they start a business, their goal is to try
1:59:55
to make money. And this was a conscious decision to
1:59:59
just not lose money. Just make it cool.
2:00:02
Speaker 3: It's again– yeah, you were in a very advantageous position
2:00:10
to make it the right way.
2:00:11
Speaker 2: It was also like I kind of had to do
2:00:13
it that way because I had the resources and it
2:00:16
was like, look, you're supposed to do the right thing.
2:00:18
This is the thing you should do. What would you
2:00:20
like someone that has your kind of money to do?
2:00:24
I would like someone to make an awesome club for comics.
2:00:27
Like you're, you're a comic, you know how important it is. Make, make,
2:00:30
make the fucking, the best creative environment, welcoming everybody, pump
2:00:35
everybody up.
2:00:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:00:37
Speaker 2: That's what you should do. Dude.
2:00:38
Speaker 1: It's, it's, it's funny. Cause I always say if you're, if,
2:00:43
and you did this as a comic, right. I always
2:00:45
say with, with a movie star, right.
2:00:48
Speaker 3: Somebody who's got, you know, real movie star bank, right.
2:00:53
I'm just like, man, why the fuck don't more of
2:00:57
these guys that have endless cash start creating film situations
2:01:03
that they want to be a part of? I don't
2:01:06
mean like we're going to do the next blockbuster thing
2:01:08
or we've got a franchise or whatever. It's like, why
2:01:12
don't you take 10 million bucks and make the fucking
2:01:18
art fucking movie with all of your friends that you
2:01:21
always wanted to make?
2:01:22
Speaker 1: Because who cares? You will break even. You will break even,
2:01:28
at the very least.
2:01:29
Speaker 3: I never, ever, ever understood why more people in that
2:01:34
position don't do it.
2:01:35
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Because rock stars do it all
2:01:37
the time.
2:01:37
Speaker 3: Rock stars start a little label, and they start putting
2:01:39
on other bands that they love, and they do passion
2:01:42
projects because they want to work with their friends.
2:01:45
Speaker 2: I've never.
2:01:47
Speaker 3: Maybe not never, but it's very rare that you ever
2:01:49
see a movie star do that.
2:01:50
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why not do it?
2:01:52
Speaker 3: For years, American Psycho was the big one, the Bret
2:01:56
Easton Ellis novel. Why haven't they made an accurate adaptation?
2:02:00
Speaker 1: Well, the studios don't want to touch it because it's
2:02:02
too violent. It's like somebody– With $ 500 million, who's a
2:02:08
movie star, fucking go, I'm going to do it. And
2:02:11
I'm going to do it the way it's supposed to
2:02:13
be done. And it's going to work because that's what
2:02:15
people want to see. And fuck it, man. Like, I just,
2:02:18
I don't get it.
2:02:19
Speaker 2: Do you think that the Christian Bale version was not accurate?
2:02:23
Speaker 1: I like the Christian Bale version a lot, but it
2:02:26
is not the book. The book is fucking dark. It's brutal. Yeah.
2:02:32
There's shit in that book. I was reading that book
2:02:36
and I was like, Bret Easton Ellis has murdered somebody.
2:02:41
There are details in here where I was like, I
2:02:43
don't understand how you would know this.
2:02:46
Speaker 2: There's one of the darkest scenes in that book is
2:02:48
when he goes to get rid of the body and
2:02:51
the real estate guy sees him in the room because
2:02:55
they're selling the apartment. And so he realizes the real
2:02:58
estate guy has already gotten rid of the body. Yeah.
2:03:00
And they look at each other and he just leaves.
2:03:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:03:02
Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, God.
2:03:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:03:05
Speaker 3: And there was, by the way, I was just joking
2:03:07
about Bredy Stannis.
2:03:08
Speaker 1: I don't think he's murdered somebody. I feel like we
2:03:10
have to say that.
2:03:11
Speaker 2: It's very important to clarify.
2:03:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I was just joking.
2:03:13
Speaker 2: Just humor.
2:03:16
Speaker 1: But the thing the book did, and they cut a
2:03:19
major scene out of the movie.
2:03:21
Speaker 3: It's the one extra scene on the Blu-ray. And I
2:03:25
don't understand why they deleted it. but there's a scene
2:03:28
in the movie where his friend says they're at the
2:03:30
club at the beginning. And his friend goes, I'm out
2:03:33
of here. And the guy climbs up like these, like
2:03:37
rafters or whatever, and crawls into like a fan vent
2:03:41
in the club. And you never see him ever again.
2:03:44
And that's the part in the book that makes you go.
2:03:47
Speaker 1: Is this all in this fucking guy's head?
2:03:49
Speaker 3: What he just described happening is nuts. And this guy
2:03:54
is now gone and nobody knows where he is. And
2:03:56
I'm like, Is it– that's such a key scene and
2:04:00
they cut it out of the movie. And so whatever.
2:04:02
They're remaking it now again.
2:04:03
Speaker 2: Oh, they are?
2:04:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:04:05
Speaker 2: Who's going to be American Psycho?
2:04:07
Speaker 3: I think maybe Adam Driver is connected to it.
2:04:11
Speaker 2: I think.
2:04:12
Speaker 4: Maybe.
2:04:12
Speaker 2: He'd be good at that. He's got a lot of
2:04:14
Psycho behind his eyes.
2:04:16
Speaker 3: But The Shards is the new Bret Easton Ellis adaptation
2:04:20
on Fox.
2:04:20
Speaker 2: What is it?
2:04:22
Speaker 1: It's his last novel and it's huge.
2:04:25
Speaker 3: It's a, it's a fictional autobiography where he, the main
2:04:29
character is him as a teenager and there's a serial
2:04:32
killer loose and all these murderers are happening. They're targeting teenagers,
2:04:38
these brutal fucking murders. And there's a cult happening that's
2:04:44
reminiscent of the Manson cult. And then he's also coming
2:04:47
of age and realizing he's gay and like, as he's
2:04:50
trying to deal with, The fact that this murder thing
2:04:53
is happening and.
2:04:54
Speaker 1: He thinks he knows who it is. It's a wild story.
2:04:58
Speaker 3: And he co-created it with Ryan Murphy, the TV show,
2:05:01
the adaptation. It's really fucking good so far.
2:05:05
Speaker 2: Really good. So it's a period piece. Yeah.
2:05:07
Speaker 1: It takes place in like 83 or 84.
2:05:09
Speaker 2: You know how I could tell? The Ferrari. Yeah. Old Ferrari. Oh, wow.
2:05:15
Speaker 1: Wow.
2:05:18
Speaker 3: But it's one of the adaptations where I was like,
2:05:20
I feel like they're really capturing a lot of what's
2:05:22
actually in the book.
2:05:24
Speaker 1: Because Less Than Zero was a cool movie, but it's
2:05:26
not the book. Rules of Attraction is a great movie.
2:05:29
And he said that was the closest thing that anybody
2:05:32
had gotten.
2:05:33
Speaker 2: To one of his books. American Psycho would be very
2:05:36
hard to capture the darkness of it. Because you're also
2:05:40
capturing this guy's internal dialogue, which is some of it.
2:05:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:05:45
Speaker 2: It's dark. So what would you do? Would you have
2:05:47
a guy narrate the internal dialogue? You're missing something.
2:05:50
Speaker 1: Well, they did that with Bale. He narrates the entire thing.
2:05:53
Speaker 2: I know, but you're missing something there.
2:05:54
Speaker 1: It's very funny. How do you mean?
2:05:57
Speaker 2: Because I think instead of hearing it, when you're reading
2:06:02
the internal dialogue, you understand that there's no– you don't
2:06:06
hear the voices. Right. You know what I mean? Like
2:06:08
this guy's got some fucking creepy shit going on in
2:06:11
his head. I mean he's a fucking sociopath, psychopathic murderer.
2:06:17
It's like you get into his head in this way
2:06:19
that I don't think you ever do in a movie.
2:06:22
Like you're in his head when you're reading it because
2:06:24
you're imagining it all happening in his head. You're imagining
2:06:28
how he's viewing like the real estate scene. Like he's
2:06:31
locking eyes, this real estate guy. There's a creepiness to
2:06:35
it that's like, ooh.
2:06:36
Speaker 3: He plays– the best scene acting-wise, in my opinion, in
2:06:41
that movie is when they're comparing the business cards. And
2:06:47
they're like one-upping each other. Look at mine, man. It's
2:06:49
bone white and whatever. And Christian Bale starts sweating. And
2:06:54
he gets like hoarse and he's like, it's nice.
2:06:57
Speaker 1: It's nice.
2:06:59
Speaker 3: Because it's this fucking pissing contest where it's the best
2:07:01
business card.
2:07:02
Speaker 2: And he's so upset that he doesn't have the best
2:07:04
business card.
2:07:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:07:05
Speaker 2: That he wants to kill that guy.
2:07:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:07:06
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:07:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:07:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:07:09
Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly.
2:07:11
Speaker 2: I'm listening to this podcast about Luigi, the guy who
2:07:15
murdered the health care executive. It's a very, very interesting podcast.
2:07:21
You know, it details how they caught him, the whole deal.
2:07:23
But one of the things they brought up was one
2:07:25
of the first things they thought of after that guy
2:07:27
got assassinated was probably somebody he worked with. Really? Yeah.
2:07:33
They had to find out whether or not someone had
2:07:36
some sort of a grudge. Someone got recently fired. Because
2:07:40
when people get murdered like that, you oftentimes think it
2:07:43
could be a coworker. I have a former coworker.
2:07:47
Speaker 1: I have a question for you about Luigi. I'm glad
2:07:50
you brought it up. I'm so sorry I have to
2:07:52
pee really bad.
2:07:53
Speaker 2: Why don't you go pee really bad?
2:07:54
Speaker 1: I'm going to pee really fast. I'll be back.
2:07:57
Speaker 2: Question about Luigi.
2:07:59
Speaker 1: My fucking manager does it. Everybody does it. It's really
2:08:02
fucking annoying.
2:08:03
Speaker 2: Sorry, Joe. Is it more annoying than boiling your own coffee?
2:08:07
Speaker 1: No, nothing's more annoying than that.
2:08:10
Speaker 2: Turning on the stove, filling the pot. When does it end?
2:08:17
When does it end? What were we– Luigi. Luigi. Yeah.
2:08:21
Speaker 1: This is what I wanted to ask you because there were.
2:08:23
Speaker 2: Jamie has a theory.
2:08:25
Speaker 1: Well, there were all the– Okay.
2:08:26
Speaker 2: Not publicly.
2:08:27
Speaker 3: There were all the people– Luigi sparked that whole debate
2:08:32
about justified violence or whatever, which I thought was bullshit.
2:08:38
Speaker 1: But everybody that was rah-rah-ing Luigi going, he's a hero
2:08:42
and how many people is this healthcare guy killed and
2:08:44
all that bullshit– I wonder now what everybody's saying about
2:08:47
the fact that Luigi is doing the insanity plea.
2:08:50
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, he didn't really stick to his
2:08:52
fucking— I mean, if that was his thing and.
2:08:54
Speaker 1: He was going to be the big crusader, for him
2:08:56
to now.
2:08:56
Speaker 2: Go— Yeah, but he's just playing the legal system. I mean,
2:09:00
that's the smart move. Play the insanity.
2:09:02
Speaker 3: Well, it's the smart move if you're not— But also,
2:09:07
is it the smart move you're trying to— I know it's
2:09:09
the smart move. I'm saying if you're going to go
2:09:11
out there and go, I did this because it was
2:09:13
justice and whatever, and then go, oh, wait, actually.
2:09:16
Speaker 1: I was a little crazy.
2:09:17
Speaker 2: But here's the point. If you did shoot a man
2:09:21
who had nothing to do with you because you thought
2:09:23
it was justice because he was a health care executive,
2:09:26
I don't know how he picked that guy. I don't
2:09:27
know the details of what that guy has done. Was
2:09:31
he particularly bad, the guy he killed?
2:09:33
Speaker 1: I think he was a CEO. No. It was definitely
2:09:37
targeted that this man is responsible for decisions made that
2:09:41
killed people.
2:09:42
Speaker 2: Was he the CEO, Jamie, of UnitedHealthcare? Is that what
2:09:46
he was? So if you think that you should go
2:09:51
murder somebody like that, you're probably mentally ill. If you
2:09:56
think that that kind of violence is justified— The problem
2:10:00
that a lot of young people are having right now
2:10:02
and a lot of people that agree with what Luigi
2:10:05
did and they celebrated it is because everyone knows that
2:10:10
the system is rigged and no one is doing anything
2:10:13
to change it. And this is what drives people fucking crazy.
2:10:18
And their whole business model is to deny as many
2:10:23
claims as possible even if they know that your claims
2:10:26
are justified because they want to make money. So they're
2:10:29
really in the making money business and they're pretending they're
2:10:33
in the we're going to take care of you and
2:10:35
give you insurance business.
2:10:36
Speaker 1: Yes.
2:10:37
Speaker 2: So they're not really in that business.
2:10:38
Speaker 1: Yes.
2:10:38
Speaker 2: They're in the business of making the most amount of money.
2:10:41
If they can fuck 10 percent of the people over
2:10:44
or 20 percent of the people over, that's 20 percent
2:10:46
more money. And that's how they look at it. And
2:10:49
that drives everyone nuts and rightly so. And if they
2:10:52
don't fucking correct that, people don't have a whole lot
2:10:56
of options as to how to lash out and how
2:11:00
to get back. And especially if like, let's say it's
2:11:03
your wife. Let's say your wife gets injured or gets
2:11:08
a disease or something and they can treat her and
2:11:10
they deny the claim. Or maybe she needs a surgery,
2:11:13
some crazy surgery. And they deny the claim and it
2:11:15
bankrupts you and she dies. You want to murder somebody,
2:11:19
and it makes sense because you're paying for this fucking
2:11:22
insurance all this time thinking that you're insured if something
2:11:25
goes wrong. That's the whole reason why you give them money.
2:11:27
You don't give them money for freebies. It's not for
2:11:30
no reason. It's not because you like them. You want
2:11:32
UnitedHealthcare to have a yacht.
2:11:34
Speaker 1: No.
2:11:35
Speaker 2: You give them the money because it's supposed to be
2:11:37
an agreement.
2:11:37
Speaker 1: I agree with that completely.
2:11:39
Speaker 3: I have no beef with the concept behind– His his motivations.
2:11:45
Speaker 1: For hatred of of a health care CEO. I have
2:11:47
no problem with that. My question is, is it is
2:11:53
it does it take away from does it take away
2:11:56
from the people that were rah rahing him for him
2:11:59
to now go? Oh, it's just crazy. Sorry.
2:12:01
Speaker 2: I don't think it does.
2:12:02
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
2:12:03
Speaker 2: I don't think it does.
2:12:03
Speaker 1: No.
2:12:04
Speaker 2: It's trying to not go to jail. And a lot
2:12:05
of those people think you shouldn't go to jail. I
2:12:08
think you should go to jail. I don't think you
2:12:09
should be able to be walking up to people on
2:12:11
the fucking street and murdering them. But I can understand
2:12:14
where your anger comes from. I get it. I really do.
2:12:18
And there's a thing about capitalism, right? There's a thing
2:12:24
about corporations in particular that you're beholden to your shareholders.
2:12:30
You have to make more money every quarter. That alone,
2:12:34
that motivation alone it motivates sociopathic behavior. The people that
2:12:39
are going to be the most successful are the ones
2:12:42
who are going to be the most ruthless and they're
2:12:44
going to squeeze the most money possible without crushing the
2:12:48
company's reputation. And that's their goal. And in the healthcare market,
2:12:52
the problem is like, what are your options? There's no
2:12:56
one amazing option where they always take care of everybody
2:12:59
and it's ethical capitalism. They're just trying to Look, we
2:13:03
make plenty of money giving people real insurance and really
2:13:06
taking care of them and really paying for it. And
2:13:08
so let's make less money, but let's make everybody healthier.
2:13:11
Nobody does that.
2:13:12
Speaker 1: Nobody.
2:13:13
Speaker 2: So your options, if you have to get insurance, are
2:13:15
very limited. You're just giving money to psychos. So which
2:13:19
psycho gets my money? Which psycho that doesn't give a
2:13:21
fuck about me or my family or anybody I love
2:13:24
if they get hurt or sick?
2:13:27
Speaker 3: Every year, every year that I don't do a writing gig.
2:13:32
On a TV show, which is not every year. I
2:13:35
don't do it frequently. I do it sometimes. But every
2:13:39
year I don't do a writing gig on a TV
2:13:41
show or I don't act enough to clear SAG insurance.
2:13:46
Speaker 1: I have to make a decision.
2:13:48
Speaker 3: Is this worth $ 600 a month for fucking health insurance?
2:13:52
Speaker 2: Is it? I don't know.
2:13:53
Speaker 1: I don't know that it is. Especially now with.
2:13:55
Speaker 2: Just imagine how angry you would be if you paid
2:13:57
all that money and then you broke your ankle or
2:13:59
something like that and they denied you.
2:14:01
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:14:01
Speaker 2: You're like, what? Yeah.
2:14:02
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:14:03
Speaker 2: And this is why people cheer about this Luigi guy.
2:14:07
There are a ton of stories of people who had
2:14:11
treatable illnesses and they were denied coverage. They had surgeries
2:14:16
that could have been done to save them. They were
2:14:18
denied coverage. There's a ton of stories like that.
2:14:21
Speaker 1: It's a dirty fucking game. It's a dirty fucking game.
2:14:24
Speaker 2: And it's not the game they're pretending it is. They're
2:14:26
pretending the game is we're going to help take care
2:14:28
of you. You're going to have a safety net. So
2:14:31
you pay a little bit of money and hopefully nothing happens.
2:14:33
You never need us. And that's our gamble. Our gamble
2:14:37
is if you do need us, you're going to get
2:14:40
more value out of it than you put into it.
2:14:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:14:42
Speaker 2: And they don't want that.
2:14:43
Speaker 3: Health insurance has become like the protection plan at Best
2:14:47
Buy when you buy a TV.
2:14:50
Speaker 1: You want the two-year protection plan in case anything? No.
2:14:53
I don't fucking know because no.
2:14:55
Speaker 2: Well, some places have a good protection plan though. They
2:14:57
just give you a new TV. Healthcare is not even that.
2:15:01
It's not even that. It's worse. It's worse than Best Buy.
2:15:05
Speaker 1: I don't know why that made me laugh. You just went, well,
2:15:08
some places have a good protection plan.
2:15:10
Speaker 2: They do. Some places, you bring them the computer, they
2:15:13
give you a brand new one. This thing sucks.
2:15:14
Speaker 1: It broke. Yeah.
2:15:15
Speaker 2: I go, okay, hold on. File out this form. We'll
2:15:19
get you another one.
2:15:20
Speaker 3: Every time I've tried to utilize it, I bring it
2:15:22
in and they go, oh, well, actually– Oh, really?
2:15:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, this doesn't, yeah. The screen's cracked. That's not really
2:15:28
part of it.
2:15:29
Speaker 2: Well, you probably broke it.
2:15:29
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
2:15:30
Speaker 2: You probably did something stupid.
2:15:32
Speaker 1: What'd you do?
2:15:32
Speaker 2: It's probably your fault.
2:15:34
Speaker 3: I'd probably throw it across the room in a fit
2:15:36
of rage because I had to boil water in the morning. But,
2:15:39
you know, it's a dire, you know, when the Neiman
2:15:46
Marcus gang thing was happening where these kids were running
2:15:48
into Neiman Marcus and stealing shit, which, again, I don't
2:15:52
think is an okay thing to do, but you know,
2:15:55
like my mom, I remember was being like, can you
2:15:57
believe these kids are, I go, mom, they just told
2:15:59
an entire generation of kids they'll never own land.
2:16:02
Speaker 1: Right. They're fucking hopeless. Yeah. They're hopeless. Like, what do you, what,
2:16:07
where does your head even go? Where's your, I have a,
2:16:11
In my act, I have a line. It's not even
2:16:14
a joke. I just go, where are the Gen Zs?
2:16:16
And they clap. And I go, you'll never own land.
2:16:18
And it gets a huge laugh because it's so true.
2:16:21
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
2:16:22
Speaker 1: And it's like, it's fucked up.
2:16:24
Speaker 2: And then they hear that private equity companies are buying
2:16:26
up houses so they could lease them out. And so
2:16:29
they'll own all the houses. Like, fucking what?
2:16:33
Speaker 1: And the parking lots.
2:16:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:16:35
Speaker 1: They're buying up all the fucking parking lots. You can't
2:16:37
park anywhere for free or for cheap. It's fucking crazy, man.
2:16:44
We are living in a rent-to-live culture anymore.
2:16:47
Speaker 2: Well, it's just about– it's, again, what we were talking about,
2:16:50
about maximizing the amount of money you could squeeze out
2:16:52
of people. And that's their business. And it doesn't have
2:16:56
to be like that. But it does have to be
2:16:58
like that if you're public. It's almost like we're better
2:17:00
off with a bunch of private corporations– And if you're private,
2:17:04
you can do whatever you want. Like there's private– like look.
2:17:07
You could decide. I'm going to do– I'm going to
2:17:10
give X amount of my profits to this. I'm going
2:17:12
to give Y to that. I'm going to do whatever
2:17:15
I want because it's my money. But as soon as
2:17:17
you have shareholders– As soon as you take that IPO money, ooh, baby,
2:17:23
that's a big windfall, though. You got all this money,
2:17:25
all this stock, all this capital has been invested in
2:17:27
your business. Your business is going to grow, and the
2:17:28
business does grow. So do your fucking problems.
2:17:32
Speaker 1: They've ruined— shareholders have ruined— I' m not.
2:17:35
Speaker 3: Saying shareholders inherently are evil, but the board of directors
2:17:38
and shareholders and all that shit, they.
2:17:40
Speaker 1: Have ruined everything. They've ruined everything.
2:17:42
Speaker 3: It's like everybody goes, why did the last three Star
2:17:45
Wars movies suck? Kathleen Kennedy came out and said, we
2:17:48
were met with demands. by the shareholders to rush the
2:17:51
fucking sequels out, and we couldn't make the movies we
2:17:54
wanted to make.
2:17:55
Speaker 2: So that's how— Imagine if they did that to Jim Cameron.
2:17:59
You can't do that. You can't rush that guy. Imagine
2:18:03
if you rushed Avatar. Fuck you. Fuck you. That movie
2:18:09
takes forever to make. That's why it's awesome. There's certain
2:18:12
things that you can't do just for money. And health
2:18:17
care should be one of them. It should be one
2:18:18
of them.
2:18:19
Speaker 1: Well, you know what? And I don't say this to
2:18:23
ball wash you in any way.
2:18:26
Speaker 3: But you just said it 10 minutes ago about the club.
2:18:31
And for all the criticisms that people can level at you,
2:18:34
whatever the fuck they want to say, whatever, it's like, hey, man,
2:18:37
here's a guy I know that has a lot of
2:18:39
money that started something that helps other people in the
2:18:42
industry he works in and said, I'm not worried about
2:18:45
making money.
2:18:45
Speaker 1: I'm worried about breaking even.
2:18:47
Speaker 3: And I want the people that I'm working at my
2:18:49
club to benefit.
2:18:51
Speaker 1: You actually did it. You actually did the thing that
2:18:54
we're complaining that other people don't do.
2:18:56
Speaker 3: You actually did the thing where you said, I am
2:18:59
not going to try to turn massive profits off of
2:19:01
this club. What I'm going to try to do is
2:19:03
create an environment where people can make what they deserve
2:19:06
to make. That's fucking pretty awesome and pretty crazy.
2:19:09
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is anybody can do that that's successful already. Yeah.
2:19:14
You could all choose to run a business that way.
2:19:17
And a lot of people do. I'm not unique in
2:19:19
that way. There's a lot of like really ethical, like moral,
2:19:22
happy people. Sure. And you make a happier environment too.
2:19:25
That's the other thing. Like the environment, the club is
2:19:28
very happy. Everybody gets paid really well. Everybody's making money.
2:19:31
The waitresses, waiters are all making money. Everybody's happy.
2:19:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:19:34
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. You go to a place where people are
2:19:36
happy to be there. That's what you want. You don't
2:19:39
want to go to a place where you're making maximum
2:19:42
profits and everybody is in hell. And that's a lot
2:19:45
of people that work in corporations, right? You're working way
2:19:48
more hours than you should. You never see your kids.
2:19:50
You're constantly fucking stressed out. Your cortisol is through the roof.
2:19:54
You're about to have a fucking heart attack. But you
2:19:56
bought a house in the Hamptons.
2:19:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:19:58
Speaker 2: Look at that. I got a $ 15 million house overlooking
2:20:02
the Bay. How about that? You fucking win. I got
2:20:05
the new Ferrari. You want to see it? Yeah. And meanwhile,
2:20:07
you're dying.
2:20:08
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
2:20:09
Speaker 2: But that's, that's the environment of just chasing money. I
2:20:13
think you can make plenty of money. I mean, obviously
2:20:15
I'm in an unusual situation, but I think most business
2:20:20
owners that do well, once you're doing well, what is enough?
2:20:25
Like it's– just make it better for everybody. What's enough?
2:20:30
What's enough money? What's enough– if you're running a corporation,
2:20:34
is it really good to cut back on the ingredients
2:20:37
and fuck people over? I was seeing this thing about
2:20:40
powdered sugar. Some guy went to a grocery store and
2:20:43
he took all these bags of two-pound bags of powdered
2:20:46
sugar and he weighed them. They're like 1.3 pounds, 1.2 pounds, 1.27.
2:20:52
They're just fucking you. You're telling me that's not on purpose?
2:20:56
Your machines are so off that it doesn't know what
2:20:59
two pounds are?
2:21:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:21:00
Speaker 2: But this is this mentality of just squeeze the most.
2:21:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:21:05
Speaker 2: Squeeze the most. I don't think you have to do that.
2:21:09
I think if your business is successful, just– it should
2:21:11
be– like– You're good. You're good. Let's keep the ball rolling.
2:21:16
Don't try to just keep making the most money possible
2:21:19
every quarter. And that's what they do in corporations because
2:21:23
they have to. If you don't, you're a bad CEO.
2:21:26
You'll get kicked out. Like, hey, good news, guys. We
2:21:29
made the same amount of money this month as we
2:21:32
did last month. Like, what?
2:21:34
Speaker 1: This guy sucks. This guy fucking sucks.
2:21:37
Speaker 2: Where's my return?
2:21:38
Speaker 1: We're going to vote him out.
2:21:40
Speaker 2: And then you get a board meeting together and people complain.
2:21:44
You have to do that. That's their job.
2:21:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, ideally what should happen is you say, hey, guys,
2:21:50
we made more money this month than we did last month.
2:21:53
But the reason we made more money is because we
2:21:55
made a better product. That brought in even more customers,
2:21:59
and it was beneficial to everybody.
2:22:01
Speaker 1: Right. And it's not that.
2:22:02
Speaker 2: It's not we squeezed the same amount of customers out
2:22:05
of more money.
2:22:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:22:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:22:07
Speaker 1: It's the fucking potato chip thing.
2:22:09
Speaker 2: Well, it's the other thing. You know this avocado oil
2:22:11
scandal that's going on right now? Mm-hmm. So all these
2:22:14
people that are buying things made with avocado oil, they think, oh,
2:22:17
this is going to be super healthy. Turns out a
2:22:20
lot of these corporations are fucking you over, and they're
2:22:23
using seed oils and fucking safflower oil and rapeseed oil,
2:22:29
all these different oils, and they're pretending that it's avocado oil.
2:22:34
Speaker 1: I watched a thing.
2:22:35
Speaker 3: About food where they talked about– by the way, what
2:22:38
I meant by the potato chip thing was, We were
2:22:41
just talking about this in the lobby before we started recording.
2:22:44
When you buy a bag of potato chips now and
2:22:46
it's half full and it's all air.
2:22:49
Speaker 1: And, of course, the excuse is, well, no, that's so
2:22:52
it protects your chips. Get the fuck out of here.
2:22:55
Fuck off.
2:22:55
Speaker 2: It's bullshit. Protecting my chips.
2:22:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:22:57
Speaker 2: Don't crush the chips, you fucking idiot. Yeah.
2:23:01
Speaker 1: Maybe pack the chips and ship them properly. No, no,
2:23:04
we can't do that.
2:23:05
Speaker 2: Have you ever had those Vandy chips?
2:23:07
Speaker 1: No, what's Vantage?
2:23:09
Speaker 2: Oh, they're chips made with beef tallow.
2:23:12
Speaker 1: Okay.
2:23:12
Speaker 2: They're just cooked in beef tallow. It's just beef tallow
2:23:15
and salt and potato chips. They're the best potato chips
2:23:17
you've ever eaten in your fucking life.
2:23:19
Speaker 1: Where do you get them?
2:23:20
Speaker 2: You can buy them online. I buy them online.
2:23:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of these.
2:23:23
Speaker 2: They're so legit, dude. If I want potato chips, oh,
2:23:27
they're so good. And you don't overeat them. It's crazy.
2:23:30
Like when it's real food, you eat enough.
2:23:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:23:33
Speaker 2: You know, especially they're like. soaked in beef tallow they're
2:23:36
so rich and fat yeah it's actually probably good for.
2:23:39
Speaker 3: You yeah yeah that's that's the thing most of these
2:23:42
quality food products that we want to buy and and
2:23:45
enjoy now you have to buy them online you can't
2:23:47
get them in fucking stores you can.
2:23:49
Speaker 2: Get them in some stores but the problem is they
2:23:51
get bought out you know so say a company comes
2:23:54
along and you're making something that has like really healthy
2:23:56
ingredients and people really get into it and then Pepsi
2:23:59
buys you.
2:24:00
Speaker 1: Exactly.
2:24:00
Speaker 2: Some fucking Kellogg's buys you and they turn it into
2:24:03
something that's just close enough. They change the ingredients, make
2:24:07
it cheaper. Did that happen with, is it Rao's, R-A-O's,
2:24:12
pasta sauce, Rao's?
2:24:14
Speaker 1: Rao's.
2:24:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:24:15
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:24:15
Speaker 3: Rao's got bought by, I think like whoever makes ragu
2:24:20
or whatever, Nabisco or some shit.
2:24:21
Speaker 2: Rao's made a great sauce. Is it still legit or
2:24:24
is it they fuck with the ingredients now?
2:24:27
Speaker 1: I never thought there was any jarred sauce that was awesome.
2:24:30
Speaker 2: Did you ever have Steve Sharippa's when he had his?
2:24:34
Speaker 1: No.
2:24:35
Speaker 2: You know Steve Sharippa from The Sopranos?
2:24:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
2:24:36
Speaker 2: Do you know Steve?
2:24:37
Speaker 1: I don't know him personally.
2:24:38
Speaker 2: Did you ever work for him?
2:24:39
Speaker 4: No.
2:24:39
Speaker 2: I worked for him when he was the booker at
2:24:42
the Riviera in Vegas.
2:24:43
Speaker 1: I remember that.
2:24:44
Speaker 2: Before he got on The Sopranos, before he ever did
2:24:46
any acting.
2:24:47
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
2:24:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was friends with him a long fucking time ago.
2:24:50
He's the best. I love that guy. He is the best.
2:24:54
So he had an amazing sauce. It was, I forget
2:24:57
the name of it, but it was all organic. And
2:25:00
it was, you know, like really super top shelf ingredients.
2:25:04
It was fucking delicious.
2:25:06
Speaker 1: Okay.
2:25:07
Speaker 2: Such a good sauce. But it was too much of
2:25:09
a pain in the ass for him to keep the
2:25:10
business rolling and he got rid of it. I'm like,
2:25:12
God damn, dude. That sucks. I think he had a
2:25:16
problem keeping up with demand too because it was like
2:25:18
he came on the podcast and talked about it and
2:25:20
then he eventually just bailed on the business.
2:25:22
Speaker 3: Look, man, it's one of the reasons I left my
2:25:26
sandwich shop was because I felt like operating in New
2:25:31
York was too hard of a thing. And we had
2:25:35
to keep the four years, five years, whatever that I
2:25:38
did it. We had to keep kind of upping prices
2:25:43
and whatever. And it wasn't it was.
2:25:45
Speaker 1: Not out of greed.
2:25:46
Speaker 3: It was out of there is no way that we
2:25:49
stand a chance to turn a profit. unless you keep
2:25:53
up with what the demand and the economy of New
2:25:55
York city is. And I just got to a point
2:25:58
where I was like, you know, man, it's just not
2:26:00
what I thought it could be.
2:26:01
Speaker 2: You wanted it to be fun. You want it just
2:26:03
to be fun.
2:26:04
Speaker 1: Yeah. And, and that was it. And it was, I
2:26:05
wish them well, but, uh, they're still going. But, um,
2:26:08
it was just for me, I was like, I just
2:26:10
can't like, this isn't, you know, so that what happens
2:26:14
is with a.
2:26:14
Speaker 3: Lot of these, um, companies that get bought up, it's
2:26:19
this Steve Sharippa thing where it's like, Hey, man, I'd
2:26:22
love to keep doing this at the quality I'm doing
2:26:24
it and at the tick which we're moving at or whatever.
2:26:29
And then somebody comes along like Pepsi and goes, we'll
2:26:32
buy out for $ 50 million. And you probably go, you
2:26:35
know what? My ship just came in. Take the fucking–
2:26:38
I don't know.
2:26:39
Speaker 1: I can't.
2:26:41
Speaker 3: So I don't blame people for selling to a big corporation.
2:26:44
It's kind of the position you're left in. This mom
2:26:47
and pop thing is going away constantly.
2:26:50
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, COVID put a big dent in that.
2:26:52
Speaker 1: Oh, destroyed it, destroyed it.
2:26:55
Speaker 2: Destroyed it in terms of like small restaurants. I know
2:26:59
so many of them that went under in LA. I
2:27:00
think at one point in time, LA lost 70% of
2:27:03
its restaurants.
2:27:05
Speaker 1: It's that it's the, the, the meat monopoly thing is,
2:27:08
is brutal. You know what, like what happened with prices
2:27:11
of meats and because they saw like, Oh, actually we
2:27:13
can say that there's a demand and, and low, uh,
2:27:18
Low product availability and all this and just charge everybody
2:27:21
this much more.
2:27:21
Speaker 2: But there also is a demand and there also is
2:27:24
low product. I mean there's also the reality of the marketplace.
2:27:28
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:27:28
Speaker 3: Well, that– what I think it is is there's the
2:27:31
reality of the problem and then– and some people are
2:27:35
affected by that very genuinely. But then there's a lot
2:27:37
of people that go, this is a chance for us
2:27:39
to capitalize.
2:27:40
Speaker 1: And squeeze.
2:27:41
Speaker 2: Squeeze.
2:27:42
Speaker 1: And that sucks. That sucks.
2:27:44
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the thing. And once you escape the world
2:27:48
of need and you're in a world of decisions based
2:27:51
on what you enjoy doing, then you could choose to
2:27:53
do a business where you do it however you want
2:27:56
to do it and don't worry about it.
2:27:57
Speaker 1: Right.
2:27:58
Speaker 2: Right. Because you're not doing it for money. You're doing
2:28:00
it because it's a cool thing.
2:28:01
Speaker 1: Right.
2:28:01
Speaker 2: And ideally, that's what we would all like to do.
2:28:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:28:05
Speaker 2: Ideally. It's not obviously difficult to achieve. But if you
2:28:10
can get there, that's the way to do it. It's
2:28:12
just that everybody has this thing about chasing the fucking
2:28:16
whatever number it is, whether it's a number in your
2:28:19
bank account or the address that you're living in or
2:28:22
the car that you're driving. Everyone's always chasing the new thing.
2:28:25
This is a new thing to justify why you're pumping
2:28:29
all of your energy into a business you.
2:28:32
Speaker 3: Know yeah it's uh it's it's the unfortunate uh other
2:28:38
side of of capitalism this.
2:28:40
Speaker 2: Is why it's capitalism fucking great it's way better than
2:28:43
everything else.
2:28:44
Speaker 1: Well that's just that i agree with but we're just talking.
2:28:47
Speaker 2: About yeah it's got flaws and the flaws are human
2:28:50
nature that's the flaws.
2:28:52
Speaker 1: Is there a way– do you think– is there a
2:28:54
way to have the free market with capitalism but actually
2:28:57
have some sort of regulation so these problems that we're
2:29:00
talking about can occur? Or is it just you have
2:29:02
to take the good with the bad and that's all
2:29:04
there is to it?
2:29:04
Speaker 2: I mean there should definitely be regulations without a doubt.
2:29:08
But I think too much regulations, then you stifle business
2:29:11
and that's what California has. It's overregulated because the government
2:29:15
is just too huge of a business there. I think
2:29:18
at one point in time, California during the pandemic– They
2:29:22
lost a bunch of people, like a bunch of people
2:29:25
moved out, but they doubled the size of government. They
2:29:29
just keep adding more government and more like that's where
2:29:32
they create jobs. They create jobs through government and just
2:29:35
keep adding programs, adding government, and then you just keep
2:29:39
siphoning off tax money. And it's a slush fund and
2:29:42
is a whole economy based on it. And those people
2:29:44
are the people that are in charge of running the city.
2:29:46
And they don't want to let it go because that's
2:29:48
how everybody is getting paid and nothing is getting done
2:29:50
and the fucking homeless crisis never gets any better and
2:29:54
the streets never get clean. Schools never get fucking funded correctly.
2:29:58
But yet they keep growing their fucking business, the business
2:30:01
of being a fucking person in government.
2:30:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:30:04
Speaker 3: It's– one of the things I learned when I worked
2:30:07
for the– because when I lived here in 2000, I
2:30:09
worked for the Senate during.
2:30:12
Speaker 1: The legislative session. It was the 78.
2:30:15
Speaker 3: Legislative session, I think I was a media reporter for the,
2:30:18
for the Senate media department.
2:30:19
Speaker 1: But one of the things I learned was how low
2:30:24
a Senator's salary is versus what they actually make in
2:30:28
a year because of donations and whatever the fuck else.
2:30:33
And I was like, of course, these people don't want
2:30:36
to ever step down from the seat. This is the fucking,
2:30:39
this is a, this is a fucking joy ride right now. Yeah.
2:30:42
Speaker 3: And once you're in that position, now you got a
2:30:44
problem because now it's like, well, who's actually in there
2:30:47
to do something versus who's in there to keep the job?
2:30:51
Speaker 1: And if you want to keep the job, keep the
2:30:53
constituents happy. Well, how do you do that? Well, then
2:30:55
you start compromising things and catering.
2:30:57
Speaker 2: And you learn how to be a good bullshit artist.
2:30:59
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
2:31:00
Speaker 2: You learn how to say the things they want you
2:31:01
to say. That's why people support ridiculous positions because they
2:31:04
fucking lick their finger and find out which way the
2:31:06
wind's blowing. And that's the way my constituents want. So
2:31:09
that's how I feel.
2:31:11
Speaker 1: Yep.
2:31:11
Speaker 2: You know, I think God's non-binary. Like, whatever. They just
2:31:14
start talking. They start saying things. You're like, why are
2:31:17
you saying this? This makes no sense. They're saying it
2:31:21
because they think it's going to help them and get
2:31:23
them to win. It's kooky stuff, man.
2:31:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
2:31:27
Speaker 2: And nobody wants the job. That's the other thing. No
2:31:31
really successful person who would really be good at it
2:31:34
wants the job. It's too much work.
2:31:36
Speaker 1: It's a hassle.
2:31:37
Speaker 2: You're also dealing with insane corruption once you get in there.
2:31:40
Try untangling all the fucking webs that have been spun
2:31:43
for decades where they've been moving money to this and
2:31:46
moving money to that. And you got to pay a
2:31:48
little of this and you got to pay a little
2:31:50
of that.
2:31:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you ever see a Charlie Wilson's war? Tom
2:31:53
Hanks movie?
2:31:54
Speaker 2: No.
2:31:55
Speaker 1: It's great. You'd love it.
2:31:57
Speaker 3: Mike Nichols directed it. Tom Hanks and a Philip Seymour Hoffman.
2:32:00
It's my favorite Philip Seymour Hoffman.
2:32:02
Speaker 2: Really?
2:32:02
Speaker 1: Performance ever. It's a fucking awesome movie.
2:32:06
Speaker 3: Uh, But it's about how when we were sending arms
2:32:11
and funding the Afghanis when Russia was attacking Afghanistan. And
2:32:16
he's in there to do a good thing. He's like,
2:32:18
these people are getting fucking taken over. The Russians are
2:32:21
coming in, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he does all
2:32:24
this good thing. He gets all this funding to them.
2:32:26
He helps them.
2:32:27
Speaker 1: The Afghanis start shooting the Russian copters out of the
2:32:30
fucking air and all this shit.
2:32:32
Speaker 3: And he's like, this is great. And then all of
2:32:34
a sudden. Powers that be are like, we're cutting the funding.
2:32:38
And he's like, what are you talking about? We just
2:32:40
helped these people liberate themselves. We can't cut the funding now.
2:32:44
Speaker 1: We have to rebuild. And they're like, yeah, we're not rebuilding.
2:32:48
We're not spending any more money in this.
2:32:49
Speaker 3: And the end of the movie is Phillips, who are
2:32:51
often telling Tom Hanks that he doesn't say the name,
2:32:54
but he says the fucking loonies are in the hen house.
2:32:58
He's talking about bin Laden. It's now taking over Afghanistan.
2:33:02
And this is going to go real fucking sideways on us.
2:33:05
Speaker 1: And it's just such a great encapsulation of that's how
2:33:09
it works. That's how it works.
2:33:10
Speaker 3: You do a good thing and then all of a
2:33:12
sudden it creates an even bigger fucking problem than they've
2:33:16
ever anticipated because of funding.
2:33:18
Speaker 2: Also, why were they doing it in the first place?
2:33:21
Why the fuck are they funding the Mujahideen? And that's
2:33:24
how bin Laden turned against us.
2:33:26
Speaker 1: Right.
2:33:27
Speaker 2: That's what it was all about. He realized how dirty
2:33:30
our fucking politics are and what we're doing when doing
2:33:33
regime change in other countries and proxy wars and all
2:33:37
the insane shit that we've been involved with forever.
2:33:40
Speaker 1: It's fucked up. The way it's portrayed in the movie
2:33:42
is– The Russians are attacking these people. It's going to
2:33:46
be this genocide. It's blah, blah, blah, blah. That's how
2:33:49
it's framed in the movie. In real life, you know,
2:33:51
I know there's always multiple sides.
2:33:53
Speaker 2: It's both sides. I mean, there's probably a lot to that, too.
2:33:57
Speaker 3: But it's just one of those things where I brought
2:33:59
it up because you said, who would ever want this job?
2:34:02
And I watched that movie and thought that. I was like,
2:34:04
who would want the fucking job of this guy?
2:34:06
Speaker 2: Right.
2:34:06
Speaker 1: That he thinks he's doing the right thing. And then
2:34:08
it just blows up in their face.
2:34:10
Speaker 2: You just hope that good people come along and want
2:34:12
the job.
2:34:13
Speaker 1: That's what you hope.
2:34:14
Speaker 2: But for the most part, they're swimming in a sea
2:34:17
of psychos.
2:34:18
Speaker 1: Right.
2:34:20
Speaker 3: Well, the question is if a good person does come along,
2:34:23
can they stay pure? Or is the system just built
2:34:29
in a way where it's like, no, there's no way
2:34:31
to do this, you know?
2:34:32
Speaker 1: I always equate it to the Hollywood thing.
2:34:34
Speaker 3: It's like, in my opinion, there's no way to become
2:34:38
or it's a very hard thing to become a massive
2:34:41
movie star and maintain your morality and your ethics and
2:34:45
whatever you're, you're, you're playing in a system that is
2:34:48
so fucking foul and so.
2:34:49
Speaker 1: Dirty and whatever. That's why we're like, it's so rare
2:34:51
to meet a Woody Harrelson or something like that.
2:34:54
Speaker 3: Who's a genuine person. And nine out of 10 of
2:34:56
those guys, they don't fucking live there. They're out, they
2:34:59
go somewhere else and they dip in, they do it,
2:35:03
they get the fuck out again. Um, so I always wonder, like,
2:35:06
is there a, we always say like, if only a
2:35:09
decent man would come along and lead us or, or, or, or,
2:35:13
Take this seat in this office.
2:35:16
Speaker 1: Is it possible to even remain pure at that point?
2:35:18
I don't know. Or is it just, hey, this is
2:35:20
how it works. This is all there is to it.
2:35:22
And you either play this game or you will be
2:35:24
phased out and that's it. You know?
2:35:27
Speaker 2: Well, the Hollywood game is interesting because you have to
2:35:29
have the same political opinions of them.
2:35:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:35:32
Speaker 2: If you don't– any variation whatsoever. If you're like, hey,
2:35:36
maybe we shouldn't take this weird experimental vaccine.
2:35:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:35:41
Speaker 2: You're cast out of the kingdom. Like you have to
2:35:43
be full compliance, full compliance to whatever ideology that they
2:35:48
have because they're completely in control. They get to choose
2:35:51
whether or not you work. The beautiful thing about comedy
2:35:55
and music is another version of that but less so
2:35:59
I think is that you just make what you make
2:36:03
and if people like it, they come see you. Real simple.
2:36:06
Real simple. You get a chance. Everybody gets a chance.
2:36:08
Everybody gets a chance to do open mic nights. Everybody
2:36:11
gets a chance. If someone says, hey, Joe, you're really funny.
2:36:14
You want to open for me on the road? Also, oh,
2:36:16
my God, I'm on the road.
2:36:17
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:36:17
Speaker 2: Everybody gets a chance. Yeah. And the thing about the
2:36:20
movie business is it's not that way. Like you could
2:36:23
be a really talented actor and you never get cast
2:36:26
in something. Maybe they don't align with the way you think.
2:36:30
Maybe you didn't kiss their ass enough when you went
2:36:32
in for the audition. Maybe you don't have a good agent.
2:36:35
Whatever it is.
2:36:35
Speaker 1: Right.
2:36:36
Speaker 2: You might not ever work.
2:36:38
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a great– Oh, what is it called?
2:36:43
Speaker 3: It's the documentary. I think it's just called Frank. It's
2:36:45
the documentary about Frank Stallone. Sylvester Stallone's brother.
2:36:49
Speaker 4: Oh.
2:36:49
Speaker 3: And Frank Stallone is an immensely talented guy. And he
2:36:55
sort of got reduced to, he does stuff.
2:36:58
Speaker 2: He works.
2:36:59
Speaker 1: And he seems like a happy guy. But there was
2:37:00
a big part of Frank Stallone where he kind of
2:37:02
got reduced to the punchline of like.
2:37:04
Speaker 2: Sly's brother.
2:37:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
2:37:06
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that was Charlie Murphy. I always used
2:37:07
to say that about Eddie.
2:37:09
Speaker 1: They talk in the documentary about Frank Stallone. They go,
2:37:11
everybody's like, how did this guy not become bigger? He's
2:37:14
so fucking talented. He was a musician. He's a great actor.
2:37:18
He's this, he's that. And they say in the middle,
2:37:20
they go, dude, it doesn't just happen. You have to
2:37:22
have a team of people operating around you that make
2:37:26
it fucking happen. It's not just dumb luck. It's not.
2:37:30
just oh he's good if you don't have the people
2:37:33
strategically let's put it that buying you through the system
2:37:38
right it doesn't fucking happen it just doesn't happen it's
2:37:41
like look at when people get nominated that the process
2:37:44
of getting nominated for an Emmy it's like you you
2:37:49
You get the consideration vote. And then I would see
2:37:53
it when I was living in L.A. And then people
2:37:55
would do these PR campaigns just based on the consideration.
2:37:59
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Those billboards for your consideration.
2:38:02
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:38:02
Speaker 2: You'd see them everywhere.
2:38:03
Speaker 3: Then you get nominated. And then that's a whole other thing.
2:38:07
That's why I thought it was such bullshit.
2:38:10
Speaker 1: And I'm a big fan. I'm not knocking the guy.
2:38:12
Speaker 3: But, like, when the whole thing happened with, like, the
2:38:15
year that Brendan Fraser won for the whale was the
2:38:18
same year the kid that played short.
2:38:19
Speaker 1: Round won for everything, everywhere, all at once. Do you
2:38:24
remember that year at the Oscars? Yes. And they both–
2:38:27
it was like it's the year of the comebacks at
2:38:29
the Oscars and they're up there going, I thought I
2:38:32
was done and here I am. It's like you fucking
2:38:35
had a campaign. This costs millions of dollars to get
2:38:40
you here. This is not some underdog story. This is–
2:38:44
this was orchestrated. That's how it works.
2:38:47
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
2:38:48
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Nobody's– yeah, I was driving a cab. Then
2:38:51
all of a sudden I got nominated.
2:38:52
Speaker 2: I won.
2:38:53
Speaker 1: That's how it fucking works. Yeah.
2:38:56
Speaker 2: That's bad shit.
2:38:57
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:38:57
Speaker 2: Well, it's a bad shit business.
2:39:01
Speaker 1: It's the worst and best business of all time. Yeah.
2:39:04
It's the best that it gets us to get to
2:39:06
do what we want to do.
2:39:08
Speaker 2: But it doesn't. Stand-up is better now.
2:39:10
Speaker 1: Yes.
2:39:11
Speaker 2: It's like stand-up and podcasts is such an easier pathway
2:39:14
than that. That was the old pathway. You had to
2:39:16
be a part of that.
2:39:18
Speaker 3: I was talking to Tony about it after MSG. We
2:39:21
were at the after party.
2:39:23
Speaker 1: And he– you know, Tony– I love, this is one
2:39:26
of the things I love about him. He gets, you
2:39:28
have a few drinks and it's a real love fest.
2:39:31
He's like, buddy, we're doing it, man. We're doing it.
2:39:34
They told us no and we're fucking doing it. And
2:39:37
I go, Tony, here's what's wild. I go, the mainstream
2:39:41
of entertainment could become the, for lack of a better term,
2:39:47
wokest whatever. That whole thing could come back of PC
2:39:51
culture and whatever. And they could tell any one of
2:39:53
us or all of us, you guys are out. There's
2:39:56
no way you're going to get anything on streamers or
2:39:59
anything anymore. And we'd all still be fine because we
2:40:02
all said we found another lane. So fuck it. It
2:40:05
doesn't matter.
2:40:06
Speaker 2: It's a bigger lane to way bigger. It's way bigger,
2:40:09
way bigger. Yeah, because it's authentic.
2:40:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:40:12
Speaker 2: It's real and it's not curated.
2:40:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:40:14
Speaker 2: It's real. It's simple. People, that's what people want.
2:40:17
Speaker 1: If Hollywood could send a missile to destroy YouTube, they would.
2:40:24
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, it's come up with some of the fucking greatest talents.
2:40:27
Like that guy who made Obsession came straight out of YouTube.
2:40:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:40:31
Speaker 2: Dude, I got to wrap this up.
2:40:32
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
2:40:33
Speaker 2: Your special.
2:40:34
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, yeah.
2:40:35
Speaker 2: Joe DeRosa, I Never Promised You a Rose Garden, available
2:40:39
right now on Netflix.
2:40:41
Speaker 1: On Netflix.
2:40:42
Speaker 2: Where'd you film it?
2:40:44
Speaker 1: We shot this in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania. It was on my YouTube.
2:40:48
Netflix scooped it up.
2:40:50
Speaker 3: It's still on my YouTube, but please go watch it
2:40:52
on Netflix. And I hope you all enjoy it. And
2:40:56
then my podcast, Violent Horrendous, is now out. YMH Network.
2:41:01
Speaker 2: Nice.
2:41:02
Speaker 3: And at Joe DeRosa Comedy on YouTube. is where you
2:41:06
can find it so please listen and.
2:41:07
Speaker 1: I hope you watch the special and enjoy it thank
2:41:09
you for having me my
2:41:10
Speaker 2: Pleasure brother I love you love you bye bye everybody