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- Revisitation Rightspod: All right. Welcome to the Revisitation Rights Podcast. I'm Pat. Brandon. Justin. And today we are is this dream or is this real? Are we recording early in the day? Or is this inception? I don't know. They I don't know. They said that we might be in ⁓ you know, reality type worlds. That's the actual theory. Hmm. On the other side of the internet, of course. ⁓ the the other side. Yeah. Nah yeah Is that the next one? Simulate reality. The atoms feel right. The atoms? Did you test the wind? Did you pull like a little hair and throw it up and make sure the wind was blowing right? Yeah. I even spun my little ⁓ my little toy. Yeah. Did it land? Yo, not everything. ⁓ Hey yo, I'm too tired for this shit. Yo, you walked into that, Justin. You start early with the pauses, man. Damn. I didn't say pause. I didn't say pause. I'm not I'm not even gonna fight it. You got me. You got me on that one. ⁓ Alright, so today today we're doing inception. ⁓ released in two thousand ten, has a current IMDB score of eight point eight and is re Did I write that down right? Is ranked number fourteen of all time. Okay. It has a combined Rotten Tomato score of eighty-nine, had a production budget of a hundred and sixty million, and made a hundred and twenty ⁓ eight hundred and twenty-eight million worldwide. Written and directed by Christopher Nolan, starring Leonardo DiCaprio. I'm gonna fuck these names up pretty bad. Marion Cotiard, Ken Watanabe, Joseph Gordon Levitt, Tom Hardy, and Elliot Page. Who's Elliot Page? Elliot Page was ⁓ the female that was helping him that she kind of figured out. Okay, gotcha. Gotcha. Yes. Yes, gotcha. She was the one in training, right? In the beginning. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. She did a little switcheroo in real life, right? His yeah, h so his name is Elliot Page, but I believe he used to go by Ellen Page. Ellen or Emma? El Ellen? Ellen. Ellen. Ellen was before the the transition. Gotcha. Logline is a thief who steals corporate secrets through the dream sharing technology is given the inverse task of planting an idea into the mind of a CEO, but his tragic past may doom the project and his team to disaster. So I'm assuming you've guys seen this before. Yeah. Yeah. They made 828 million. I'm sure pretty much everybody seen it before. Yeah. I I I I don't want to start off weird because it's it's it's a very weird movie. ⁓ how many times did you guys see? Is this your second, third time? Second. Second? Yeah, my second time. Did you guys so this is my third time. I actually watched it a second time when it came out. So I saw it in theaters. And then saw it maybe like a year or two later. Or maybe three years later, whatever. No, there was it. Actually no, it was during COVID. So I saw it again in twenty twenty. And then I paid attention differently than because I remember it being really weird and like more of like a like a structured blockbuster type instead of like that. So I I kinda wanted to focus more on the the technical side and maybe I was missing shit, but ⁓ a lot of shit to miss in this one. Yeah. So I watched it that second time and then I watched it earlier this week. And like I actually like did not move. Like I just put it on, stayed there, focused. I had the fucking notepad out just in case I had to take notes because there was a lot of ⁓ a lot of Shit inside of shit inside of shit. So it was ⁓ weird. Yeah, I feel like the universal theme of this movie is just like layers. Mm-hmm. Like layers of dreams, layers of Easter eggs, layers of of worlds within the dreams. It's all like that's what that's like one of the first things I kind of like noticed. Everything was always Always had layers to things. Were you able to keep up with them? Huh? Were you able to keep up with the layers? Like you knew that this was a dream, this was reality. My first watch, nah my first watch, I was like I was like, yo, what? I was like, what? Like what the what is going on? So how old were you when you first saw it? Because this movie came out fifteen years ago. Yeah, it came out. So I watched it when I was about like fifteen. Okay. So like maybe but yeah, I was just I was I remember watching, I was like, bro, what what what's going on, bro? Like what am I watching, dude? And then my second watch, I understood, you know, it's over ten years later, so I'm like I'm like, okay, like I see what's going on now. And I compared it to like I compare it to like VR. Like you throw on a VR headset, you start playing. Then the person you're playing throw out throws on their VR headset, then starts playing. And then it's just this infinite loop of like parallel worlds within like me who's actually alive, the main admin of like everything. And everything kinda like branches off into their own into their own world from like reactions and stuff. So it's very intricate the second time I saw it. You you feel the same way, Brandon? Like you were able to keep up both times or Nah, nah. No, actually after the movie, I actually went on YouTube to look at a breakdown. I was like, what the fuck is going on in this this movie the entire time? And I was so lost. I was all over the place. I was like, yo, what is this? But I actually listened to another podcast review ⁓ of this, and they were talking about how I guess this helped with a lot of the space kind of time warp movies. They reference Doctor Strange, which kinda has this feel. So I think movies going forward started to take a bite out of this movie for inspiration if they kinda want to do something a l a little weird. But this the beginning I was I was I was locked in. I kind of knew. But then when they kind of started going deeper and deeper, I was like, yo, what what what the fuck is going on? I'm I'm going on Reddit. I'm I'm Trying to figure out what is going on. I'm I'm hoping that they're gonna do Easter eggs, kind of breakdowns. And then I think the main thing that I kind of noticed, which is what I told you all, was the sound mixing just I couldn't hear anything in this movie. Like the dialogue, it was so low and it was so audible. But apparently, I guess doing some further research on Tanolin, he films his movies with the IMAX camera. So he prefers to have the sound, the design, I guess, more as a priority than the dialogue. So that kind of layers the structure that way so that you feel you ⁓ immersed. But he also expects people to see it in the movie theaters. And I guess not made for watching it in the comfort of your home. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's I mean, that's one of I have a couple of gripes with the way he does films. But the biggest is the the sound on everything since it was terrible. Probably the dark night. You know, I think the dark even the Dark I don't know, 'cause the Dark Knight rises had you know, Bain's voice was a little you know, it was hard to understand a little ⁓ at times. dark So it's that that sound is always an issue with ⁓ to me with his movies. You know, it kinda it kinda takes you out of it, but then the score kind of tells you the story without telling you the story. Score is amazing. His scores are always amazing. Shout out to Hans Zimmer. And No, I mean he's he's he's amazing. ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know I know he's he's working with what's his name on the Odyssey too, the guy that just won for centers. ⁓ Ludwig Ludwig I can't say his life. I'm terrible. Something like Joe Gorenson Goronson, something like that. Yeah. Yeah, so I know he's doing the Odyssey. And I think Zimmer's doing Dune three. I believe. I thought it was Dune ⁓ Denise. Well, no, the score. ⁓ I'm not sure. Pretty sure he's doing Dune three, if I if I remember correctly. I could be wrong. I know they have a different D I know they have a different D P than Dune one and two. Yeah, I I actually looked into that too, because I saw they they were using Atlas l like custom Atlan Atlas lenses. Mm-hmm. And I'm I'm a huge fan of the Atlas Orion, the anamorphics. But they're using they were using Atlas sphericals for Dune three, which I didn't even know Atlas made sphericals and apparently this was like a one of So that's ⁓ I'm ⁓ see now I'm interested in seeing it because I didn't want to see it before because you know I didn't really like Dune 2, but now I kinda wanna see it for the visual aspect. But that ⁓ whatever, we're getting off track. but yeah, the the the score is fucking amazing. And I think the way the way it's scored, it kind of takes over for the dialogue where you know you d you don't really need to hear what's going on. The music kind of tells you what's going on, tells you how to feel. ⁓ which I thought kind of worked for this film. You know, the sound the sound was still the sound. You know, it was a little ⁓ you know, dialogue was muffled, shit like that, but w whatever. But I think the the score helped you kind of with that missing the dialogue. It to me at least. The you know it knew when to tell you how to feel emotional, when to ramp up, shit like that. So I ⁓ I enjoyed that aspect of it. Yeah, the music did ⁓ it did give a lot of context to whatever was going on. You know. For sure. That helped me understand too because that w especially my first watch, I was like I was very lost and then like the scoring kind of like helped me like understand. the context of like what might be happening, even though what I think might be happening is completely wrong. But you know, help me get a gauge of what was going on. So what what's funny is the the last beat I ever made, I made like an insa an inception Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. I don't know if it's gonna hit Are you rapping? No, definitely not. Come on, come on. Why not let a build up sending? ⁓ my god. No. Let's pick it up. One more, one more. Hey, hey, hey, hey. ⁓ like that, right? I did not see that. ⁓ That's the intro right there. That's the intro right there. Yeah, we'll definitely get sued for that. But but that was the ⁓ that that was actually the last beat I ever made in like twenty eleven. Haven't haven't touched the ⁓ the MPC since. We were just gonna casually ⁓ skip over used to ⁓ produce beats. I knew you used to write for people. Yeah, yeah. We're gonna casually that one No, that wasn't flu ⁓ Fruity Loops. That was a real MPC. Nah, Fruity Loops is you know, it's good for what it it does. ⁓ boy. It's great for what it does. Yeah. It's just ⁓ you know, I never took the time to learn it. Especially FL now, it's actually not too bad. I was like, dang, okay. All right, so even though I'm foreign to audio producing. So in your guys' opinions, what was Inception really about? Because now it could be taken probably ten different ways. I don't know. That that's that's the universal. Either somebody has some kind of crazy take or ⁓ I don't fucking know. I I will say In for example, in some of the in some of the In some of the Epstein files there were Whoa, whoa. He had he had conversations with like a couple of people about like consciousness and like really like scientific stuff. So now like now that I saw that, all that come out and I was like, that's interesting. Like they're talking about it. You know, they're talking about like consciousness and subconsciousness and all that stuff. And now looking back at this movie I'm like, okay, so this has been Conscious, subconscious, you know, patterns, behavior, subconscious training, diving into other realms, like this. This was an Epstein Files? Yeah. A snippet. Yeah. ⁓ I didn't read that shit. I didn't read any of the files, but I saw I saw articles and stuff on it too. That's why I was like, I was like Damn. ⁓ I thought that was kind of like just like a fallacy. And I knew like conscious, subconscious is all real, but like I didn't think it was as like I don't know, I just I thought it was like a whatever thing until now like seeing everything kinda like in a broader perspective, I'm like, Okay, so this movie's probably about like Just that forbidden knowledge of being able to control different aspects of your your own reality. And 'cause that's essentially what they were trying to do. You know, whether to be the elites that were doing what they were doing or the person who actually just knows and is like in, you know, pouring in the shadows and just like doing a lot of mental strengthening and So I I I it opened my eyes to seeing how much more people actually like look into this side of like life. So that's kind of like corporate takeover, right? Because they were trying to take Killian Murphy's father's company, right? Yeah. That was the whole point of Yeah. Fucking dogs are brawling right there again. It's it's ⁓ it's funny you say that, ⁓ Justin, cause I believe during 2020, when like all the riots were happening, like the C the CIA ⁓ I believe they had just like released a whole bunch of unclassified files about esoteric knowledge that was kind of looked over because people were like protesting in the streets and rioting. But like it's been a thing. And I guess it depends on also if you believe in like esoteric things, you know. ⁓ that's where I was kind of saying earlier that there's this theory that we're in simulated reality and we're only in like the third dimension, but there's also like a fourth, fifth, sixth dimension. But like you have to kind of work on your your mental to be able to unlock to go into like that higher elevation of different states. Why are you doing that, Pat? Yeah. I went to New York City public school. This shit is way over my head. No, even even like Stranger Things, like like comp and it's crazy how I can name completely different shows like Stranger Things. You know, in my reality, that's like a reflection of like what CERN's doing right now. In a in a in a In a more extreme aspect and like so like these things and like when he said when they dropped a bunch of files, they were talking about like astral projection. I'm like reading this, I'm like, what, bro? I'm like, I thought this. ⁓ in the CIA files. ⁓ in the CIA files. And then I'm seeing Inception again and I'm like ⁓ I'm like, yo, bro. I'm like, how do I ascend, bro? Like, what's up? Let me let me get to the fifth dimension. It starts with meditation, you know? When you once you start focusing on your breath, then I think that's one like the first ways that you can kind of start to like I guess your third eye opens up and you're able to see the world in like a much larger way. The way that you can also start to see the aura around people. Like you can start to see the colors around people. Shonnuff has a specific color. Huh? Shonoff? Shonoff. ⁓ come on. You gotta be fucking kidding me. What? Neither one of you know who Shonough is? The glow No. No? What is that? You failed. You've both failed me miserably. ⁓ something something before we were born. Probably. Yeah, Definitely definitely definitely way before Justin was born. Maybe ⁓ yeah, before you were born too. Bruce Leroy? From Family Matters? The Last Dragon? I know Blue River. From Family Matters? Yeah. No, no. When Urkel? I thought you're talking with Urkel, he f he turned into the dragon guy. So that's a spoof on The Last Dragon. ⁓ shit. Great, great fucking movie from the eighties. Okay. And that that actually had like my one of my first ⁓ like female crushes when I was a kid. All right, let me look her up real quick. She still got it? Wait, no, that that's not important. I th I think she actually she might have passed away recently, actually. Damn. Damn. I think so. I don't I'm not too I'm not good with that, but I'm pretty sure I heard that she did. She is making it. You really don't want to take a shot at what you think it was about, Brandon? I mean, f to me, I guess it just kinda meant it's it's kinda one of those things where you're able to unlock ⁓ into like a different dimension. And again, I might get a little off kilter with like esoteric beliefs and systems, but Justin, you were talking about astral projection and there's you know, this belief and concept that you can achieve that and then if other people are astral projecting, you can go into the same reality with people. Like I know I I seem like this fucking crazy nut person, but like having talk with people who are friends, acquaintances who are kind of really into that belief and mind system, they have said that they have been able to do that. So maybe he's kind of playing off of that. ⁓ I always come with that belief that movies kind of tell us things like directly, but it kind of goes over our heads. And I think for some reason we limit our minds and our capabilities and what is real and what is fake. But just like looking outside, looking at the world, I think that there's so much more going on than just like what we see. And it's one of those things where I I guess you can kind of take it for like face value. If you kinda open your mind up, then like this actually is like a possibility and a reality. Even if you talk of even if you hear millionaires and CEOs and people who have been able to achieve certain types of success, they've been able to I guess like maybe hint that they've been able to unlock a different layer from their mind that other people have not been able to do. Makes sense. Huh. Shit, and here's my little simple take ⁓ blown out the water. ⁓ man, fuck it. I'm not even gonna not even gonna say my little fucking public school take. ⁓ I went to a public school too. Yeah, but you went to a better public school. Public school kid, man. Yeah. You guys went to better public schools. Hey man, I had McGraw Hill textbooks. I was doomed. Same. ⁓ mine was basically just ⁓ it was a film about unresolved guilt. So the whole film is Leonardo DiCaprio's guilt about his wife. However that happened, it was all basically so if you so I picked I found this out on the third watch. At least I think I'm right. I haven't researched it because I've been a little busy this week. So I could be completely wrong. But every time that it was a quote unquote dream sequence, ⁓ he was not wearing his wedding ring. I did see that. And every time it was technically reality, he did have his wedding ring on. So I came to the conclusion that the wedding ring was his totem, not the top. The top would have been the wife's totem, which is why it spun infinitely. Because you're in they she he's been in a dream the whole time. So you're saying none of this shit was real? None of it was real. Damn. Was he wearing the ring in the last scene? No. No. Oof. See, I saw I so when I was going on YouTube and going down, and they said it was the opposite of what your thought pattern was. That when he did not have the wedding ring, he was in reality. But when he had the wedding ring on, he was in a dream. Hmm. Cause I I would think that he's holding on to her totem. Maybe I fucked that up. Maybe it is vite maybe it is vice versa. It could be. Yeah, maybe I fucked that up. Cause i if it is vice versa, then that last scene was real where he went back to his daughter. And they showed their faces for the first time, right? And that at the at the very end, because we just saw the backs of their heads. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right. So right thought pattern, wrong wrong take. Although I didn't although I guess at the very end I was kind of confused how his father in law got there, like before him, because they were in another country, right? When they We're doing their recruitment, so what what's up with that? Right? They went somewhere with the war going on, right? Yes. Or a protest or something, something like with with a little hectic going on. Cause they were going to LA on the the private the PGA. Mm-hmm. Hmm. Yeah. I mean, well, I I doesn't really change my opinion on it being unresolved guilt. So it's kind of like a a mental health issue too, because ⁓ Yeah, I mean, you know Hey, we're getting him. Justin, we're getting him. ⁓ Well, you know, he's 'cause you figure she's just like a distorted memory of him. Like he don't have any if he's constantly in a dream sequence and you know, 'cause that's his tr so memory, right? Memory is technically your truth. Right. It might not be right. It might not be the real truth, but it's what you remember to be true. So I think there was a little bit of ⁓ some nonsensical mental health issues in there. ⁓ shit. Here we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But whatever whatever. Yeah, like he was ⁓ Yeah, he was guilty the whole time. And he was ⁓ he was very adamant on like not having anyone in limbo. Sees like limbo was so traumatic to him. Like having it probably anyone in ⁓ in a limbo state. Cause that was like he went, he went, he tried like too far with his wife. And she was like, she just thought everything was a dream and then she actually killed herself. So I think the unresolved guilt is definitely a a rolling theme in the entire film. Because that's whole that's everything that might go wrong, he he has an example from what he did to his wife to be like, no, don't do that. Mm-hmm. So he's constantly thinking about it. It's which, you know, damn. So what's ⁓ give me a couple of pros and a couple of cons about the film in in your up in your eyes. So what what would you say would be the biggest pro to it? The sound score. The score? Or the sound design and score? Yeah. Yeah. As as a combination. I would say that. Yeah, I w I would probably say the score and maybe just the overall technical filmmaking. Because that shit was it was wild as a Yeah, the the film itself was really good. Like most of them are practical, right? That's all practical. He doesn't use a lot of CGI, Christopher Nolan, if any. Yeah. So that's what I really like about his his films, too. He he likes to keep it very practical. Very appreciative of the art. Fun quick story. ⁓ was an extra on the Dark Knight Rises. And we were in I knew that. We were in ⁓ That was so fire. Behind ⁓ the football stadium scene. So they you know they they shot all around the center of the film and while they were shooting, ⁓ they were setting up the film for the explosions. So they set little dirt piles everywhere. So it was real explosions going off. So they had like ⁓ they had the DP and Nolan on a cart, like a golf cart, and they had one kind of trailing, like it was kind of being pulled, and the other one was driving. So it was like this, and as they were going off, they were getting it, and then they had a helicopter above, taking the scenes from above. So it was fucking and they said we only have one shot at this. So, you know, they made sure every they made sure everybody was in their seats. Like they were going around like really, you know, being strict about it. It was fucking wild to see like the final product after that. Cause all it was was it was like little, like little little explosions, like nothing crazy, but there was probably dozens of them scattered throughout the whole field. And then to see how it ended up on the, you know, where he opened up like the gates of hell and you know, all that on down it was crazy. I must fun dude. How how is that ⁓ for you as also like a director to just be on set not directing, but you're able to like see another director and just see how they work? Like, did you pick up anything just from his his method of how he approaches or not there. So ⁓ normally I do like if I do like onset script editing or something like that, I'll ⁓ I'll pay attention to how you know people work or whatever. But it's it's it's really hard to kind of get that because you know, you might be a different type of director than somebody else. You know, there's people that I know there's directors that don't let anybody sit down, or there's direct directors that don't let anybody drink water during a take, or you know, some some real crazy shit. So, you know, you could just pick up some, you know, basic stuff and maybe clue in on how they're giving direction. Mm-hmm. You know, if they say it out loud, most of the time they kinda go over so you can't really hear anything. But it was to I I was never on a set that was that big of a budget. And so just that scene had to cost billions. Question. Did you have a bag of ⁓ and M's with you? Just waiting, you're waiting for the scene, you're just like I don't I don't think so. But you were allowed to get food at the concession stand. And I I remember we had ⁓ some pretty cool like ⁓ under arm it was sponsored by Under Armour. So we had like I I wasn't able to get a jersey. Damn. ⁓ but we had like Gotham I think it was Gotham Knights. Like I had a hoodie, I had the Under Armour hoodie, I had the ⁓ T shirt, a hat. And you know, Casey w Casey was on it too. Casey played a militia. ⁓ shit. Yeah, he played a mali one of ⁓ Bain's militia. Damn. So, you know, he was there for, you know, weeks. I was there for two days. The jersey was too small for the biceps. I got a I had a bandana too. I think and when the when the movie was coming out, ⁓ none of that shit really fit. Like I was able just to get what I got. And ⁓ you know, Melissa got what she got. And I think I think I wound up getting like smalls and mediums, so I gave mine to her and she had like two X's which didn't fit. I wound up throwing it on eBay. I made quite quite a nice amount. ⁓ don't say that don't say that on here. It is what it is, man. They didn't fit. They didn't fit. But yeah, anyway, ⁓ so for me it would be the just the the technical The technical aspects I think of it were amazing. Much better than the story aspects of it. Is this his best film ever? I don't know. I really like Dark Knight Rises. Rises? Or Dark Knight? Dark Knight Rise. Okay. Yeah, because Dark Knight Rises was trash. ⁓ wait, we're not allowed to say trash. We're not allowed to say trash, sorry. It wasn't ⁓ You didn't like it, though. You didn't enjoy it. I didn't like it. I I Yeah, when it comes to the superhero movies, I forget the exact names. ⁓ but I really did like that Batman movie. ⁓ I don't know. I I I personally like the prestige more. Okay. But that's more my kind of film as opposed to Inception. That was with Tom Hardy, right? ⁓ that was with Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale. Okay. ⁓ I also I think I'm one of the few that like insomnia. I don't think I've seen that. What Al Pacino? I don't think I've seen that. I haven't seen a lot of Nolan's work in general. I might have seen someone. So my the thing with Nolan is I think he's very similar, which is probably why he gets along great with Ryan Kugler. I think they're very technical directors, very you know, vision first directors where the story comes kind of last. And Nolan used to work, you know, he used to write with his brother, Jonathan, who's a great writer. And when they kind of separated, I think Nolan's stories and characters and everything took a real big hit. And he started like engineering these like experiences. Like instead of like, you know, buy a story film and like Dunkirk had yeah, like Dunkirk had what? Twenty, thirty lines of dialogue throughout the whole movie? If that. And you know, that's I mean it's cool. It's an experience. You know a hundred percent. Like all his films are beautiful. They're technical, they're great. Just a lot of times Recently the star, I mean, after Interstellar, everything to me kind of took a hit. And that's kind of when him and his brother went their separate ways. But like his brother made Westworld. So Westworld season one and two are better than anything Nolan has done since. Damn. So it's season three was a little weird. I I didn't like it, but seasons one and I don't know if you ever saw Westworld. ⁓ started and I kind of was like, What what what's going on? Yeah, it's another one of those like mind fucks like season one and two are amazing. Plus I love Jeffrey Wright, so I'll watch anything he's in. Yeah, you know. So ⁓ but like his brother did that. He created Persons of Interest, which was really good for a network show. and I think he's like the head creative producer on Fallout, which I haven't watched, but I heard everybody loves it. So you know, that the writing I think kinda went with went with his brother. So I hit he's his characters and like just overall stories kind of been struggling since. ⁓ but that that's my thing with Nolan is is more of the writing and the sound. But other than that, like he's he's very, very, very technical, which I you know, I like. But ⁓ you gotta you gotta like like that type of ⁓ like his type of movies, I think, to really to really like him like that. Would would you guys put him in the top echelon category of current filmmakers in this generation? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I I think so. I think you kinda have to. Just 'cause he's I mean, he also gets unlimited budget too, so You know, that that helps a lot. W was it this film or was it a different one where he broke ⁓ 'cause I I did read that he broke like two IMAX films. ⁓ I don't know. He brought the he broke the cameras? Yeah, like two of Those things are a couple hundred dollars. Fifty five thousand. Nothing. Fifty five thousand. Yeah. Because an Alexa Mini, an Alexa thirty five is like ⁓ fifty five. Alexa Alexa thirty five is like eighty five grand. Those IMAX film cameras gotta be a couple hundred. Yeah, he broke two of them, I think, on some movies that he was shooting. so I don't know if you'll I don't know if you'll like any of his earlier work, maybe Memento. I don't know if you ever saw Memento. Heard it, but I haven't seen it. Yeah, so Memento. So what was the earliest you've seen? Like Batman Begins? I think that was the what I remember being ⁓ I guess attributed to him. Okay. So You seen Interstellar? No. No. All right. I'm sure that's on the two fifty list also, so I'm sure we'll get to it at point. But like Memento is a good early movie to go back to. ⁓ I like Insomnia. I don't think many people really liked it. It was definitely not really like a Nolan, quote unquote Nolan type of film. ⁓ it was like Al Pacino in an Alaskan, like solving an Alaskan murder, like half night, half day, kinda it was real weird. But ⁓ I I thought it was really good. ⁓ So So the prestige would be my pick for his best film. But I I can't really argue with anybody that says Inception. ⁓ the prestige. So I think we we've the ⁓ I think we've talked about it quite often about how movies now just so now I can't get that out of my head about with just how mini movies today they're just not mixed properly with the sound. But I think that also has to do with You mean I I I think it was you or someone else ⁓ I was reading and they were just mentioning how actors are trained differently than what they were in previous generations. Many actors that were in movies in previous generations, they also had theater training, so they were able to project more. So it was easier to pick up the sound. And now it just everything just feels like very kind of muffled. So I I mean, I was watching it and, you know, I had to have my TV up at like sixty seven. And then when I switched to YouTube I put it down to like twenty two and I could hear everything. It was like loud, loud. I'm just like, why is it so hard to hear? 'Cause I'm trying to hear the dialogue. He's also talking about his his wife. They're having that conversation and it's like it it feels so low, so muffled that I can't really understand what he's trying to tell her. And that was a very pivotal part of the movie. Yeah, that was extremely key towards the end. ⁓ yeah. I mean it wasn't me, but I do know that actors are trained, you they're able to project. You know, when you do theater, you have to project. Which is why sometimes I mean on the on the independent level, it's sometimes a little harder to get theater actors just because they're always projecting. So when you're gonna try them to tell them to take it you gotta continuously tell them to take it down. ⁓ but yeah, you know there's a lot of things that kind of switch now that weren't like like everything now is shot for VFX. So Everything looks a certain way, like it's grayed out. But that's kind of what society. Like if you drive around, like McDonald's used to be big, red, yellow, like their buildings used to be bright and colorful. Taco Bell used to be bright and colorful. Wendy's used to be bright and colorful. Now there's a theory about that. They're just gray buildings with, you know, a little splash of color and it's fucking depressing. There's a there's a theory about that while they're doing that. It's because it's easier if that franchise closes down. another business can move right in there because the layouts allows for them to do that. Yeah, that's conspiracy theory. That's fucking disgusting. Like it's it it's taking the personality out of the country. And it's even it's it's even easier to build those buildings. Like slap up some sheetrock, cover it with some fucking stucco, call it a day. Yeah, like I used to work in structure my grandfather, he would tell me, man, like those C V S buildings, all these big corporate buildings He's like it's it's like he's like he he called them real life Legos where instead of clipping them on, you clip them on with cement. You know? Yeah. And he's like they're very like plug and play type of buildings. So Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, dude. And it's like that sucks. It's not cool. Because you're getting so like color nothing for the For ⁓ like we we shot something like a a commercial a while ago and it was hey, everything needs to be overly lit, this, this, that, because we're gonna change the cabinets and posts. We don't like the way the cabinets look. And I'm just like, you know, that kills the whole feel of it. Like it wasn't a bright and airy, fun commercial. It was something not dark, you know, not a dark commercial, but It was supposed to be like a little moody. You know, there was supposed to be some depth to it. And it was just overly like gray and bright. And then the cabinets in the in the in the actual place that we shot were like a like a dark, like a charcoal, like a darker gray. Backsplash was like dark gray and everything. And then when the commercial aired, it was white. And I'm like, nah, that looks well but whatever. That's their money. But they do that for everything. Like, why would you overshoot when you could just VFX it and you know, change and put it how exactly you like it? So But I I think well going back to your point, I think the with the dialogue and everything. So this film to me was very heavy on ⁓ exposition. So they had to explain every fucking detail of the movie, every different scene to every other person. And I think that's part of like, hey, you're not really gonna be able to hear what's going on. So we're gonna continuously tell you over and over and over and over. It was worse than the ⁓ the rip with Damon and Aflack. Where they told you they're stealing the money ten times. Every single scene there was a you know an explanation of the dream sequence. By the way, we're gonna steal the money. Just help you. And we're gonna put you in a dream. And then we're gonna steal your money. By the way, this is a dream, by the way. By the way. Layer three. Just remember that. Layer three. So I I I I guess that would I don't know if that would be my hot take. I don't know if I have actually have a hot take for this movie. I think it was I think it was too technically sound to really I mean the end of it felt very video game ish to me. Like when they were in the snow and everything, kind of felt like a like a first player video game type of thing. Obviously not the point of view. Goldeneye three, bro. I remember Goldeneye, Jane. We were in UI ever owned a Nintendo sixty four. There was a you know, it was in Russia, so it was very cold and frigid. I mean it didn't did it feel video gamey to you? I mean I don't play video games I don't re No, not to me, no. That that snow that like snow scene when they were in the ⁓ in the snow mountains, that reminded me of like a Call of Duty ⁓ like a call of duty mission. I checked out by then. So you didn't like it as a movie? I probably would have to I would definitely have to rewatch it again. ⁓ I ⁓ And then I'm also kind of thinking, is this one of Leo's better performances? I mean he I don't know if that's a controversial take. I think I think Leo can be kind of hit or miss depending on what he's put in, but ⁓ I'm not the biggest Leo fan, but I liked him in this movie. I don't I mean, he was way better than Wolf of Wall Street, in my opinion. Yeah. I I will say this film didn't bring the best out of Leo. Yeah, I don't think this was Like Wolf of Wall Street, that aligned with like Leo's like actual personality. So that's why when I would see him in Wolf of Wall Street, I'm like, that's that's fucking Leo right there, bro. You know, like so it was a little different with Inception, in my opinion. See, I I would probably put I know this is this is probably also controversial as well. I would put Romeo and Juliet at number one for him. And then I would probably put Great Gatsby at number two. I loved because that's also how Shakespeare wanted his films to be remembered, not in that time, but to be recreated in the current period. I know that's very controversial. I don't think I could agree with Romeo and Juliet being number one. ⁓ I'm okay with Gatsby being number two though. Okay. I I don't think I don't I love Great Gatsby. I don't think I could do Romeo and Juliet number two. Well number one. I don't think I could do that top five though. Okay. Not that bad either. Cause you got ⁓ Titanic. Never seen it. You got what's eating what's eating Gilbert Grape was a great performance for you know a young Leo. You got the Revenant, ⁓ Aviator was great. Wolf of Wall Street, ⁓ The Departed. I mean it's it Shutter Island, Shutter Island, that's another one. That was good too. ⁓ so I don't know if I could Gatsby I think if not two, I think definitely in the top five for Gatsby. But Romeo and Juliet, maybe eight, around eight. Okay. For some reason I wasn't a fan of Wolf of Wall Street at all. Really? I think I've only seen that. Yeah, I think I've only seen that once. 'Cause it it it it looked it ⁓ s I'm kinda adjacent to that industry, so it it made it feel a little too goofy for me. But I mean that's They said it's like ninety percent factual. ⁓ no, it is. No, it is. That's I mean that's how Boiler Room move ⁓ firm used to be. Yeah. It just felt a little too goofy for me. Did you ever see Boiler Room? I think I did. With it. Not the whole entire thing. Giovanni Rubisi. That was actually I think my first job was kinda in that type of industry. I was in a boiler room, like, you know, they gave me the entire series sixty seven man ⁓ pamphlet to memorize and like we want to get you a test 'cause You know, you have to have a license to sell securities and products to people. And then I fucking checked out like day two and I like never went back. I I actually did something similar with mortgages. Yeah. When I when I was younger, I was I ⁓ you know, I was out of a job and I was looking and this guy's like, Hey, you know, come come work here. He's like, you know, you just call and if you get somebody on the line, you just give them to me, I sell them and I give you part of the commission. So he he fucked me on a commission. I kinda I I kinda hemmed them up in the office and I got fired. This this so this was probably at the height of like ⁓ eight like before ⁓ eight everything crashed down when ⁓ they were just giving mortgages like this was two thousand and two, maybe? Okay. Okay. Two thousand w no, it was after one. So I won ⁓ two thousand and one I was still working at Bally's as a personal trainer. So two thousand You got stories, right? I do. So two thousand No, maybe two thousand ⁓ two, ⁓ three. My dad was a personal trainer at Bally's too at that time. Yeah, no, we were stories too. We were talking about it. Pumping iron, baby. ⁓ but yeah, so something like that. It was real, real shady. Like real grimy. And then I remember watching the boiler room after that, and I was like, damn, that's on brand. It's pretty fucking accurate. You just pick up the phone, you and if you get ⁓ you like you gotta keep you gotta keep it the momentum going. And sometimes they And I'm ⁓ I'm not that. Like I'm not a fucking salesman. I can I'm not either. I I stutter. I don't even fucking talk English correctly. I can't lie to someone, so it's hard for me to try to sell something to you that I don't believe in. Nah. Yeah, like if I were to be a salesperson, like my pitches wouldn't even be it'd be like, all right, like I'm I'm cutting the bullshit out. You know, like you know. 'Cause like I've gotten those I found myself Buying something off of someone that's just like yeah, I mean I'm this this you know, it is it is what it is, man. Do you want it or or not? You know? Yeah rather than like, hey you know, trying to sell me something and I'm like I'm like, I know if I want it or not already, dude. Like, you know. That's kinda that's kind of how I am. Like if I if I'm in there to buy something, I'm I know what I'm buying. Yeah. And you're not gonna convince me to buy it. You'll convince me not to buy it. Because if you're an asshole, I'm gonna walk out and go somewhere else. But like I'm you're not gonna convince me to buy anything. Yeah, I'm I'm super fucking stubborn. So if I go somewhere and somebody's a dick. I'm walking out, I'm going to another place and buying it, or I'll just buy it online. Especially if it's something like they get commission off of. Like I'll make sure either I'll go to somebody else and make sure he sees. Bam. Or I'll go somewhere else. Yeah. Not with the gas prices the way they are. What? ⁓ no, no, no, not with the gas prices. I'll get I'll I'll get the T Mu version of whatever it is. Shout to Justin for the plug. Yo, that was crazy. That that camera rig that I found, it was legit half the price. Shipped. I was like, It was like BS. Is it still? Yeah, it was good. It was ⁓ I bought it for the iPhone. It's like a bigger kind of cage that I can attach to the B script pro. Okay. ⁓ so but yeah. So I I guess out outside of Leo, I'm I'm gonna try to get us back on track. for real. This I think I think I think overall this is a phenomenal cast from top to bottom. Yeah. I I got I thought everybody ⁓ was I d I also think the characters were a little light. Like aside from Leo, there wasn't really much to anybody else. Like the side characters were a little I don't want to say shallow because I I forget his character's name, but ⁓ Ken Watanabe. What what Watanabe? Watanabe. He's he's great in everything. And he felt very limited here. It so it was a little there the side characters really didn't pull me into it. Like I didn't really care what happened to any of ⁓ It It's it's almost as if why I guess cause we didn't get backstories on the team. It's like why are you guys taking this risk to do this insane scheme? Because you kind of know that you're playing with fire. So if you get stuck, you're pretty much mute for the rest of I guess your natural living days. So could that be it was all a dream? Used to read Word Up magazine? I mean, it like I'm I'm I'm kinda thinking 'cause you know, Joseph Gordon Levitt's character was pretty much with him throughout the film. Mm-hmm. So when he got positioned, like, hey, you can go back, like he like Leo's character has a legit reason to do that because he's saying I can get back in, I can see my kids again. But then what was Joseph's, I guess what was the reason why he like, Yeah, I'll do this. Yeah. What was anybody's? Why would Tom Hardy come back in aside from the money? It's for the love of the game. Who's loving that game like that? Maybe they maybe maybe they love the the sedative that they were given. Maybe they're they're addicted to the sedative. They're like, yo, I don't care. Put me whatever dream. I need that. Well, I mean, that's a lot of drugs. It's a lot of drugs. And then also, wait, so you know, I'm I I was it was it was kinda it was all over the place, but so they're thirty minutes, right? It's thirty minutes that they're in the dream. Yeah. And then they're going into a dream to a dream to another dream. Yeah. So if they go any deeper than a certain point, they're stuck in I guess you would call it purgatory or wherever. So wouldn't that guy have peed on himself if he had to pee before he went down? A hundred percent. He definitely would have peed on himself. Because there's water, right? Snow. If you get wet, you're gonna feel they're falling in water. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you're you're definitely gonna pee. And then it's like, all right, you've been you've been working with this guy for that long, and then you also didn't know that if you go too deep in the layers, that you're just kind of stuck there. Like, if if I would have found that out and I'm in the dream, I'm fucking Leo up. ⁓ you got to. Wake me up now, I'm leaving. You deal with it. We're staying on this level. We're staying here. Okay, you go down, we'll wait for you here. Yeah, no, I I don't know. But ⁓ I mean a lot of it was a little weird. You know, it just felt everything felt weird. Which I mean I'm all for. I you I I like the point. I like the film every time I watched it. I don't know if it's top fifteen of all time, like it said. I I can't say that. I can't even see that. But I can't argue. I mean, it was very well like technical, like everything was great about it. It's just I don't know, didn't really connect like that for some reason. Maybe maybe it's maybe it's called top fifteen just because it also opened up that genre of bending reality and imagination dreams for a a plethora of other movies that came after it. I mean, you also got everybody dick rides Nolan till no end. So I mean a man could ⁓ you know you really feel pet. I mean same thing, you like every every director has ⁓ Like, you know, people love them no matter what. Like I remember people trying to tell me Ten Tenet was an amazing film. That shit was also one of those that was like, what the fuck is going on? Like, I'm all right, I might look stupid, but I'm not v really stupid. And I'm pretty good at figuring out at least a portion of a film. And I'm just I'm just sitting there like, nah, this is not this ain't not it's not working. Is it what whatever maybe it was meant to do that? You know, maybe it was John David Washington. I I appre I appreciate the swing. I appreciate the swing. But you know I don't think he was right for the role either. John David Washington. ⁓ We we might also have to have a conversation about that later, but I'm I'm gonna leave that one right there for now. I I I don't think he was right for that role. But it kind seems that Nolan is that these are the type of movies that he is really drawn to. I mean, I I've heard him in a couple of interviews and he does seem like a very interesting, peculiar person. So I could definitely see him making all I think all of his later movies kind of feel that way, like it's distorting reality and kind of putting some stuff in there that after you leave the movie you're really thinking, you're thinking like what what what did I just watch? Like it's not the movie where I think you can see it. from start to finish from like a straight line, it just kind of zigzags and it might come go up here and there's like another layer down here and it's like back in the middle and it's just all kind of a little convoluted. I don't know if that's a correct word. Yeah, yeah, no, it makes sense. Like like even looking at the the description on the video, it was like, all right, well, this is the first level, second, third, but then you have this up here. And the way that they were trying to explain that graph was like, what the fuck it what's going on? Yeah, the film is so abstract. The graph trying to explain it was abstract itself. It's like sometimes you don't need that for a film if you're gonna tell a story, right? You can just you can just give it direct. That's the thing. He's an amazing, amazing filmmaker. He's a mediocre storyteller. Damn. So it's kind of like they nah, no shot. Like you know, two things can be true. Like he's an amazing filmmaker, great director. Amazing visionary, knows how to incorporate music. His storytelling is just lacking. Yeah. I mean that's not a hit. You know, that everybody always lacks something. Yeah. Like you know, you can go, Scorsese lacks diversity. Well, you know, his not touching that one either. I'm not talking about like race diversity. I'm talking about like film diversity. So like his films all have the same general theme, same general tone, like. I mean Shutter Island was a little different, Passion of Christ was a little different, but at the end it kind of all tied in together. Like it wasn't that far of a stretch. You know, everybody has those knocks. So, you know, nobody's perfect, obviously. So Yeah, just even thinking like as as Christopher Nolan, how exactly are you pitching this to the actors? Like I that's also a question I'm thinking of. I don't think No, but I'm I'm just saying Not like pitching ⁓ I want you to go on the story, but how are you explaining to yes, so they're they kinda understand and grasp like what's actually going on? Maybe he gives everyone like a microdose of of like mushrooms or DMT. Like just take this, read the script, read the ⁓ treatment, and then you'll kind of figure out what's going on and then you know Listen, you you can't you can't sign on without signing on to microdosing. I don't know. Are they too alone or that's that's gotta be that's gotta be a tough pitch. 'Cause I do know some directors also they they will obviously they'll have a movie. I I know Marvel kinda does this, so I'm I I don't think Nolan would do that, but they bring actors on to movies and they just g tell them this is like your section, this is your section. So they don't obviously like grasp the entire concept, but every actor in this movie was outside of I think Michael Cain, everyone was overlapping. Yeah, I th I think it's possible for them to give Leo the entire story and everybody else their own story and a basic what's going on here. You know, this scene is about this. This is well, I I think that's completely possible for this type of film because you know you might lose an actor. Not not like lose him physically, but like he might mentally, like he might be going taking that somewhere else. And this is something that's very, very structured. Like, you know, it has to be this way, otherwise it's not gonna work, kinda thing. So I think it probably like, hey, here's the treatment, here's a script, this is what this is about. And we're not showing you the rest of the script. We don't show you, you know, we ⁓ we don't tell you, you know, that it's really about, you know, Leo and his wife. We're telling you the story's about you and this is how you go. I mean, you could always do something like that, but I I I don't know. You know, I guess it's it really depends on what he felt the film was about. Cause what we think about doesn't really matter. It's what he kind of wanted the film to be about. Right. So he has to pitch that to them. So they know what the film is really about. You know, they need that for their performance. He's also probably one of those ⁓ directors who he makes these movies and he doesn't ever like reveal like what else what is actually going on in the movies like, ⁓ no, I'm gonna be vague. Give a vague answer. I think so. I don't think he ever answered. I don't think you ever answered about the top, right? Very pol yeah, very po very political. Very political answers. Yeah, I mean, you know, I I understand. But I mean if you're see, here's the thing, right? If you're gonna try to make a statement about something, then I feel you have to answer the question. Like ⁓ what was that, one battle after another? Like you know he was trying to make some statements with that movie. And then he gave like a real vague bullshit answer when they asked him what it was about. Like if you're if you're trying to do that, you gotta stand on what you what you made, you know. It's not up for interpretation at that point. Like everybody kinda knows what you're trying to say. Admit to it. You know, don't don't do that. So I guess, you know, it depends. If you're making a statement, then Yeah, I think you should have to kind of explain it. But something like the end of the Sopranos where it kind of just is left you know, you can you can do things that are open for interpretation. Like the way the top was spinning. It's open for interpretation. How'd you see it? You know, it wobbled. Was it falling? Was it just adjusting? You know, you could do you could do that all day long. So I I I think that's okay. I don't think he really needed to. So I I don't know. I don't I don't think so. That's that's how I like I mean that's how I like to I will say though when ⁓ at the sound design at the very end that wobble sounded out it was very similar to the wobble sound when he was trying to see if he was you know in a dream state or in real life when he was holding the gun. It made a very similar sound. So that's why when I saw it I'm like I'm like, okay, this him seeing his daughters like returning back to his daughters is probably real. It made a v the sound the sound bit is very similar. It had like a very similar like ⁓ I guess like cut to it or something like that. I don't know how to really say it, but you know what I mean. Like it sounded very similar. So now did you guys watch it in the theater or no? No. No. So you watched it years I think the first time I watched that shit was on a plane. So years after it came out. Yeah. Yeah. Did it live up to my room? Yeah. Probably not. Like cause you everybody hypes up Inception as Probably his best film or close to it. Not for me. For me, man, I don't know. Like, I like I like him better and catch me if you can. ⁓ Leo. Yeah. Cause like same similar to like how Wolf of Wall Street kinda brings out Leo's actual personal characteristics, I felt like similar stuff with Catch Maybe You Can He's very witty, he's very charming. You know, he'll wink at you and they're like, Huh Let you know, not knowing he just scammed your entire company. You know? So it's like So like Inception was really good. One of his one of his great films for sure. ⁓ but like didn't bring the best out of Leo, in my opinion. And I like watching Leo. I like how witty and how quick he is, you know, and and I like actors like that. So when I watch Leo, it's like it's like he's, you know, he's a suave character or, you know. Even if he's in distress, he'll like finego his way out of situations, he'll finesse his way out of stuff. So this one it was a little more just like I don't know, I just felt like they could have ⁓ but this story is like a little different from like that type of character that I like Leo being. Would you guys watch it again? Yeah. Yeah, I would. You sure? It was still a revisit. We'll do re revisitation. Revisitation. Revisitation. Re ⁓ cubed. Recubed a cubed visitation. Recubed the dream state edition. All right. So that's the end of Inception. So you guys would definitely want to watch it again then. I don't think I could watch it a fourth time. Don't watch it high. Tell you that. Did not watch that shit high. This will be our third time. So I think after our third time, I think we're like, alright, man. Like. Yeah, I don't know if I could do a fourth time. I mean, I liked it. I would probably watch it once more time in my life, but I don't think I would watch it anytime soon. I want the score though. I think I have the score, actually. You think no one's on the subway just dancing? You think Nolan takes sights? He I I don't know. He's got some weird shit going on. I don't know. I had this great movie idea. Just like off of five grams of mushrooms. It's like his assistant's like what now, man? You and the mushrooms, man. When he when he was talking about 11. So I'm making jokes. When he was talking about 11 cutting up something, I was like, I thought he said 11 was cutting up cocaine. I was like, that was like, damn, I didn't see that stranger. I didn't see Stranger Things. It's like shit. Imagine Stranger Things cross with narcos. Inception, Revisitation Rights Podcast, and we are done.