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#344 - Thirstin Howl III · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you already know how the Third, the Polo Weekend,
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  Speaker 1: the Skillion there, the Skelosophy. Make sure you catch me
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  Speaker 1: on that bootleg keV show man. It's gonna be serious.
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  Speaker 2: Man. What up Bootleg keV.
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  Speaker 3: Boutlet cav podcast. Man, we got a special guest in here,
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  Speaker 3: Thurst and how the third welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up? Kevin?
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy because I remember I told you, like one
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  Speaker 3: of my first vinyls I ever got was one of
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  Speaker 3: your singles when you were with Rackets, and I didn't
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  Speaker 3: really know much about you, and then it was through
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  Speaker 3: the Source or the Double Excel, I really like I
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  Speaker 3: read up on you, and uh, I was like super
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  Speaker 3: intrigued by the whole low life shit and some of
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  Speaker 3: the for people who don't know like what the low
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  Speaker 3: lifes were, like, first of all, you're still poloed out
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  Speaker 3: right on Brand Life.
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  Speaker 2: Lower is Life.
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  Speaker 3: But back in the nineties, please correct me if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 3: Like you guys would like kind of boost a lot
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  Speaker 3: of polo right in the eighties. Okay, Okay, So in
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  Speaker 3: the eighties it started, what was what kind of give
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  Speaker 3: me the background of what the low life movement was,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I feel like we see so much
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  Speaker 3: of this boosting of high end products out of like
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  Speaker 3: Louis Vatam these days, and I like, you guys were
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  Speaker 3: doing the first low key So.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, low life was just a group
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  Speaker 1: of kids coming together man for survival. You know, did
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things we weren't supposed to be doing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it definitely expanded way beyond clothing and stealing clothed.
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  Speaker 1: There was so many entities to what low Life was.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, we were known mainly for running up
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  Speaker 1: in stores and taking everything rushing. There was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of casual boosters. You know, we was terrorizing clubs and
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  Speaker 1: concerts and events and even the subway system. But like
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  Speaker 1: I always stress and reinterview because these are always the
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  Speaker 1: first questions. Low Life has transformed since then, of course,
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  Speaker 1: a positive movement with a positive organization within hip hop culture,
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  Speaker 1: pushing things forward and teaching people to actually do the
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  Speaker 1: opposite of.
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  Speaker 3: That what y'all were doing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, because so many people just want to
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  Speaker 1: hear the crime. Listen, that was so long ago, and
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  Speaker 1: we've been on this path for a very long time now,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we're heavy and entertainment heavy
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  Speaker 1: and art, heavy in film, you know, heavy in community
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  Speaker 1: service and things like that. So it's for me, it's
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  Speaker 1: really all about what we are today. I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to know the Low Life history is all
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  Speaker 1: over the place on the internet. You could google it
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  Speaker 1: and they'll tell you all the stuff that I'm tired
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  Speaker 1: of repeating because we you know, we got the stigma
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  Speaker 1: stuck on us that I've been trying to shake off.
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  Speaker 2: It's been years since.
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  Speaker 3: Have they ever approached you guys to do like a
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  Speaker 3: or like a movie? Because I feel like it'd be
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  Speaker 3: a great Netflix series like that eighties, Like I just
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  Speaker 3: feel like that that was such an interesting thing to
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  Speaker 3: be a part of that. Like, I'm surprised we haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen it kind of you know, come out as like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we see Raising Kine and we see Snowfall,
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  Speaker 3: which is kind of based on Freeway Rick Ross's life loosely,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Has anybody ever approached you
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  Speaker 3: guys to do something like that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's actually why I'm here in California right now.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing the Low Life series Distealing the American Dream
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  Speaker 1: with Kevin Garnett and Content Cartel and my good friend
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  Speaker 1: Mark Levin and Blowback Production, so along with my company
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  Speaker 1: Scilly in there, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So it's everything is in the mix. So it's just
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  Speaker 2: a matter of time before it's on the big screen.
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  Speaker 3: So that's on the way, on the way. Kg's what
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  Speaker 3: is a producer, investor, he's everything.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's part of the entire thing.
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  Speaker 1: We partnered up, you know, our companies to do this
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  Speaker 1: together in sing.
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  Speaker 2: So KG had a lot of interest in the story.
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  Speaker 1: You know, his company hit me up, he sat down,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Adam Sandler got involved.
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  Speaker 2: Oh sh happy Madison.
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  Speaker 1: So there was you know, there was so many angles
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  Speaker 1: to it, but it's coming.
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  Speaker 3: How would you rate Adam Sandler's drip?
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  Speaker 2: His drip, I mean, Adam don't gotta kire man.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I like about him, right, It's very much
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  Speaker 3: like his lack of is the drip. It says more
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  Speaker 3: than you know if he were to be wearing like.
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  Speaker 1: A and it complements his personality and what he's known
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  Speaker 1: for in comedy is like I'm gonna make you laugh
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  Speaker 1: every time I walk in the room, whether I'm telling.
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  Speaker 2: A joke in you know, and he's a good dude man, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know how much First of all, how extensive is your
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  Speaker 3: collection of polo? Because you know there's people who I
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  Speaker 3: know who have stuff that they've just I got a
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  Speaker 3: good friend who collects the Teddy Bears, the actual Teddy Bears,
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  Speaker 3: And I mean he's got and stuff from when he
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  Speaker 3: was a kid all the way to.
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  Speaker 2: Now give me his address.
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  Speaker 3: But but like, yeah, for you, like what would you
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  Speaker 3: say like these days? Like how much? Like how much
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  Speaker 3: stuff do you have it at the crib? Like are
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  Speaker 3: you are you still collecting a lot?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's never ending, right, But I don't hold
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  Speaker 1: on to things like people think you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: not in the order there not because only because I
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  Speaker 1: like you curse on him, right, I won't say what
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  Speaker 1: the fuck? I like my shit new and crispy, and
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  Speaker 1: I like the up to date shit. So many people
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  Speaker 1: want the vintage. They want to act like they was
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  Speaker 1: there in the past. You know, I don't care about
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  Speaker 1: the venta shit. I was there in the same manner
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  Speaker 1: as hip hop. Like I feel funny wearing a cago
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  Speaker 1: and gazelles today. It feels like a costume because I
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  Speaker 1: did it in the eighties and stuff. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: try to revisit the past in my time. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to not trying, but I'm always into the new shit
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  Speaker 1: that's coming out. The fresh flavor was, you know. But
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  Speaker 1: my collection is what it is. But I'm mostly into
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  Speaker 1: the home stuff. Like imagine, if this is my home,
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  Speaker 1: all this shit is Polo on that right.
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  Speaker 2: So that's how I get dom that you got to
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  Speaker 2: pull up home stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You got the towels and the accessories around the crib.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the shit I care about the most, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean, you.
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  Speaker 3: Have any of the actual like stuff Teddy Bears.
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  Speaker 2: I have the collection I have. I maybe have fifty bears.
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  Speaker 1: And everything was like gifts man for my family, for
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  Speaker 1: my children.
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  Speaker 3: Fans probably bringing fans.
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  Speaker 2: With male shit to my po box. All the time.
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  Speaker 1: I've always put my information on, like my CDs and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and here comes a box that I didn't expect. You know,
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  Speaker 1: A fan sent me an autograph Mike Tyson glove because
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  Speaker 1: they know I love Mike Tyson and I'm from Brownsville,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So I just received stuff from people I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even know that and they would tell me, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: I think you would like this.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy because I remember, like really hearing about Brownsville
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  Speaker 3: like from MOP. Right, Mop was like still one of
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  Speaker 3: my favorite rap groups of all time. Shot to them, they.
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  Speaker 1: The kings to me of Brownsville falls in hip hop music.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they were the most dominant because they were
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  Speaker 1: the most consistent, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, outside of myself.
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  Speaker 1: MOP had more of a mainstream platform and they had
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  Speaker 1: them bangers.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I just remember like reading their interviews and like
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  Speaker 3: in my head thinking Brownsville was like the worst place
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  Speaker 3: in America, Like how crazy was Brownsville in the nineties,
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  Speaker 3: because it had to have been. Like I read some
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  Speaker 3: stuff that like like Fame and Billy Dans would be
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  Speaker 3: saying about like things that they used to do, and
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  Speaker 3: it just it seemed like a very And then when
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  Speaker 3: you would hear other people from Brooklyn talk about Brownsville,
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  Speaker 3: the way they would talk about Brownsville was like it
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  Speaker 3: was it was like crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, Brooklyn is considered one of the worst
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  Speaker 1: boroughs of New York City and the rest of Brooklyn don't.
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  Speaker 2: Come to Brownsville that right, That's that's how serious.
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  Speaker 1: And Brownsville is mostly composed of housing projects. Man, maybe
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  Speaker 1: I think like thirty three housing projects and we're not
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  Speaker 1: talking about you know, in all these other states, your
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  Speaker 1: housing projects are like two floors. Right in New York City,
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  Speaker 1: the it's just twenty floors, and you got twenty floors
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  Speaker 1: with ten buildings per project and a bunch of you know,
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  Speaker 1: wild people, you know, because it's poverty is a lot
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  Speaker 1: of poverty. So poverty is stacked on top of poverty.
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  Speaker 1: So it forces people to be the way they are
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  Speaker 1: in that environment because they don't have anything. So and
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's always about taking it. It's a Brooklyn waste,
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  Speaker 1: so not.
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  Speaker 2: Just taking it out there, that's about they taking it
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  Speaker 2: from each other, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But Brownsville is it's massive, man, Like I would have
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  Speaker 1: to credit Brownsville for everything I am today. Without that,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be thirston Howell. If I would have grew
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  Speaker 1: up somewhere else, I wouldn't have.
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  Speaker 2: Been thirston Howell.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had that Brownsville training experience, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because to be solidified in Brownsville takes a lot of work,
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  Speaker 1: you know, coming up.
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  Speaker 2: So I love Brownsville.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna say back then, like compared to now
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  Speaker 3: that like Brooklyn has changed so much, not Brownsville, I
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  Speaker 3: was gonna say, but there is like one area that
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  Speaker 3: really hasn't gotten hit because if you think of like
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  Speaker 3: Bushwick and like all these areas of Brooklyn that you
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  Speaker 3: go to now, and it's obviously gentrified a lot. You know,
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of people who can't afford to live
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  Speaker 3: in work in Manhattan, they go to Brooklyn or even Harlem.
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  Speaker 3: Harlem is definitely changing.
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  Speaker 2: A lot, you know what I mean, all them gentrified.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say for you, like, is it
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  Speaker 3: a good or a bad thing to kind of see
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  Speaker 3: Brooklyn kind of transform a bit and become more of
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  Speaker 3: a gentrified place because it is raising the housing prices.
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  Speaker 3: It's making it a lot harder for a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people to live.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's evolution, man. You can't stop evolution, no
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  Speaker 1: matter what.
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  Speaker 2: What we want or what we feel.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, the sad part is that you know,
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  Speaker 1: they force South the less fortunate or the people who
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  Speaker 1: don't really have the means right, and you know, and
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  Speaker 1: they just making way for people from West bubble fuck
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  Speaker 1: to come in and just take over these neighborhoods where
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  Speaker 1: you know, as far as the older people that have
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  Speaker 1: been there their entire lives in their seventies and eighties,
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  Speaker 1: that really don't have another place. It's too late for
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  Speaker 1: them to relocate anywhere. That's the only.
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  Speaker 2: Sad part about it.
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  Speaker 1: But the evolution, Yeah, and they leave, they don't give
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  Speaker 1: a fuck. They you know, they leave a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people with no options. But evolution, you know, when shit changes,
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  Speaker 1: you have to know how to change with it.
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  Speaker 2: I always say evolve or dissolve.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, and but financially, being from places like that,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have the education, They don't
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  Speaker 1: have the opportunities the rest of the world have because
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  Speaker 1: they also blocked. You know, a lot of jobs will
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  Speaker 1: block you based off of your zip code. When you
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  Speaker 1: get this crazy fell out of application, you give them
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  Speaker 1: a Brownsville zip code, they looking at it up, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: But people still.
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  Speaker 1: Make it out of there and make it in there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, while they live in there. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: a hopeless place. It's actually rich, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Because I grew up in Brownsville in a project, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I look at my son, who grew up in
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  Speaker 1: a suburb.
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  Speaker 2: In a home someplace, And.
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  Speaker 1: When my son comes outside, he didn't have a single
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  Speaker 1: friend to play with. But when I came outside, in
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  Speaker 1: my less fortunate home in Brownsville, dysfunctional household, poverty, strict neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: I had a thousand friends where I walked out b door,
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  Speaker 1: So the riches I received from being there, Like that's
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  Speaker 1: the part people don't understand. Your personality is molded. You're
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  Speaker 1: around all these different personalities and characters that you're able
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  Speaker 1: to absorb and learn from and mimic.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the richest of it, man.
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  Speaker 1: And everybody is so rich and talent, bravery, you know,
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  Speaker 1: resourceful because when you lack, that's when you have to
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  Speaker 1: be resourceful. And everything that was like even within my life,
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  Speaker 1: I learned to be more resourced.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna say you were a part of like
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  Speaker 3: this golden age of underground hip hop. I call it.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the Raucous era, right, because you obviously were
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  Speaker 3: with Rockets for a sec.
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  Speaker 2: I only did a single with Raucus.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm saying first for a quick sec. But like
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  Speaker 3: I just think of that whole era of New York
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  Speaker 3: underground rap, right, because when we think of the term
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  Speaker 3: underground or backpack, it's really like to me, that pocket
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  Speaker 3: of like you know, there was la shit going on,
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  Speaker 3: like dilated people's and like a project blowed stuff like that,
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  Speaker 3: and then there was like in New York, there was
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  Speaker 3: most there was yourself, there was al A, the Rugged Man,
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  Speaker 3: there was all. There was just this whole movement going on,
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  Speaker 3: like for you like being a part of that movement,
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  Speaker 3: and like because nowadays, like I don't know if there's
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  Speaker 3: necessarily an underground anymore, because I think the Internet kind
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  Speaker 3: of just made everything so easily accessful to everybody, so
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  Speaker 3: there's just a bunch of niches. But like, did y'all
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  Speaker 3: kind of realize, like you guys are a part of
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  Speaker 3: this like really cool moment in hip hop history that
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  Speaker 3: I don't think has really been replicated in terms of
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  Speaker 3: just like that underground New York hip hop, say, thinking
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  Speaker 3: about the sound bombings and the tunnel and all this
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  Speaker 3: shit that was going on.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I had no clue that that's what it
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  Speaker 1: was gonna be or what it actually was. All I
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  Speaker 1: knew is, you know, that movement represented the people that
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  Speaker 1: weren't allowed to be mainstream or had to follow the
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  Speaker 1: certain standards of commercial radio or what your label is
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  Speaker 1: and your A and rs and telling you this was
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  Speaker 1: the real raw artist, you know, I mean, the hungry
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  Speaker 1: motherfuckers that was just being resourceful however they can. But
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  Speaker 1: I literally did I know that it would turn into
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  Speaker 1: what it is today. Little did I know that I
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  Speaker 1: would even make it this far as an artist. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I could never have predicted that it would have been this.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, the.
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  Speaker 1: Underground shit, the backpack shit, it still exists because there's
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  Speaker 1: certain cities like LA, like Massachusetts, like New York where
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  Speaker 1: the underground still thrives heavy.
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  Speaker 3: I just mean in terms of like the newer artists,
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  Speaker 3: like I think that there's like still obviously like I
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  Speaker 3: think the closest thing we have to that it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of like we've seen with like guys like thirty eight,
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  Speaker 3: specially Griselda and kind of what they've been able to
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  Speaker 3: do in terms of like still selling vinyl and but
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  Speaker 3: it's still more accessible like Benny the Butcher's doing records
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  Speaker 3: with two chains.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think back in the day to think that like
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  Speaker 3: Talb and jay Z could do a song together was
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  Speaker 3: so far fetched because it felt like they were so
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  Speaker 3: far apart, even though they were never that far apart.
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  Speaker 3: But like from a fan's perspective, the commercial shit and
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  Speaker 3: the underground shit were so far apart, even though they
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  Speaker 3: weren't really you know what I mean, Like, but there
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  Speaker 3: was kind of like a segregation.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of because a lot of people, especially in the mainstream,
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  Speaker 1: they looked down on the underground, like it wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: thorough dudes or the street dudes were I'm a street dude,
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  Speaker 1: so I was doing underground music. It just was we
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  Speaker 1: were creative beyond anything, and some of the street dudes
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  Speaker 1: don't want to do that. So that's what separated. But
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  Speaker 1: I always said this as well, like when they were
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  Speaker 1: saying hip hop was dead, the underground was the life
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  Speaker 1: support keeping it alive for a long Sure, sure we
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  Speaker 1: was the motherfucking heartbeat of hip hop, you know, making
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  Speaker 1: sure that it was pure as far as the culture
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  Speaker 1: is concerned.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever attend the Lyricist Lounge stuff back in
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  Speaker 3: the day.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, that's why I got started.
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  Speaker 3: What was that like? Because I just read I remember
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  Speaker 3: I bought the Lyricist Lounge double disc that came in
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  Speaker 3: the cardboard sleeve, and then there was the one that
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  Speaker 3: had the Oh No on it, which I think was
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  Speaker 3: two or three. But then there was the TV show
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  Speaker 3: which was way ahead of its time, right It was
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  Speaker 3: super ahead of its time because I think about how
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  Speaker 3: big wildin Out is. That was kind of like kind
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  Speaker 3: of the first inclination that but Lyricists Lounge originally was
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  Speaker 3: like was it a monthly event or how often were
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  Speaker 3: they doing lyricists lounges in New York?
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  Speaker 2: If varied, man, it could have been every week.
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  Speaker 3: What was that like though? And like, what were the
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  Speaker 3: other MC's that you know you were brushing shoulders with
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  Speaker 3: at Lyricist Lounge.
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  Speaker 1: It was full of hungry mcs that when you showed
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  Speaker 1: up you got a rhyme.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's rhyming fucked the stage.
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  Speaker 1: We could be outside the cipher go on all night outside,
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  Speaker 1: it goes on in the bathroom. That's where niggas went
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  Speaker 1: to really shop in their shit and see what you was.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I met Danny Castro from the Lyricis Lounge.
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  Speaker 1: You had an ascap event where they were playing demos,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: and they played my demo and I remember when one
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  Speaker 1: of my songs came out, you know, the crowd went
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  Speaker 1: crazy in a fucking listening party. So he approached me
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  Speaker 1: to perform. I've never performed on stage ever in my life.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So when Danny invited me. That was the first show
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  Speaker 1: I ever did. I went to a Lyvers's Lounge showcase.
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  Speaker 1: I performed along with Mass the fool you know, and
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  Speaker 1: shut it down for my first show ever. That fucking
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that should appeared in like twenty thirty magazines the photo
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: that said what happened that night. But I also was
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: a part of the TV show. When we were recording
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: the Lyris's Lounge album, we would get into ciphers even
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: in the studio, attacking each other in ron form, and
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: that's how they got the idea for the TV show
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: because we carried our conversations that way and they was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: that shit is genius.
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  Speaker 2: You know it was myself Wordsworth.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Wordsworth was a beast with as al skills was involved.
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  Speaker 1: So just the way we were interacting and they were filming,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: they got the ideas for the show and then you
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: know the rest was history.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that show man. I feel like maybe five seven
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: years too early, because I think like man Lyricists Lounge
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  Speaker 3: would have went crazy and like twoy twelve or something
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: twenty ten. Like I just feel like because I when
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I watch because I watched Wilding Out, and I'm like,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: wilding Out is really like a like a like it's
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: really like a battling show. Like you know, it's mixed
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: with comedy, it's mixed with like, but it's like really
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: like it's kind of dope because it's kind of the
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: raw form of like punchlines.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: The Lyvers's Lounge Show was theatrical, super theatrical.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of makeup involved costumes and that's
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: what I love.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, don't be surprised if you see another version.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: It was the Lyricis Lounge of the show. For people
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  Speaker 3: never saw it. It was kind of like if you
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: mix Dave Chappelle and Wilding Out together. Yep, Chappelle showing
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Wilding Out together.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Some of our writers on The Levers's Lounge Show were
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: actually the writers from in Living Color. Oh wow that
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  Speaker 1: we had behind the scenes man, so and it was
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  Speaker 1: tremendous fun doing that show because same thing. We go
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: fucking film right all day and then we you know,
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  Speaker 1: we rented houses and lived together. When we get back home,
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  Speaker 1: motherfuckers is going at it all night, rom and like
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  Speaker 1: attacking you know, just ciphers.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a beautiful time. Man.
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  Speaker 3: You were super close with Juice, right jay Weiss.
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  Speaker 2: I just went to see Juice yesterday. I didn't even
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: know he was in Callie.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: What's crazy is when I first got Napster, when the
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Napster wave happened, so my best friend's brothers and dilated
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: people's So when I was a kid, I was around
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: them a lot, like Roka and Evidence and those guys.
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  Speaker 3: But I saw Supernatural open up one of their shows
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: and it fucking blew my mind. Crazy shit I ever
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  Speaker 3: saw as a twelve year old kid watching Supernatural spin
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  Speaker 3: around and turn into bust of rhymes and take people's
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: IDs and fucking insane. But I remember like one of
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: the first things I downloaded, I downloaded the Big l
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: jay Z seven minute Freestyle on Napster, and then I
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: downloaded the Juice Supernatural Battle whatever one I downloaded on Napster.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Then I discovered Juice and I was like, Damn, this
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: dude is fucking mean. Like it's crazy that there's like
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: this pocketive like MC's that in the grand scheme of
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: like where we consider like the greatest right just for
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, don't get their flowers, like Juice is one
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  Speaker 3: of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Well, those flowers are coming, man, because we all united
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  Speaker 1: right now to Supernatural me and we got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things planning, man.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like I always seen EMC's.
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  Speaker 1: Like that with those level of skill sets as forever.
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  Speaker 2: They're the lifers, you know.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they don't have the promotions or the label deals,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: but they skill set, you know, keeps them relevant forever.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Like I just brought Supernat out recent recently to do
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  Speaker 1: a show in Orlando.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Orlando, never seen anything like that.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: If you've never seen him before and you see him,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: you're just.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Like, never seen anything like that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we and that's what I try to incorporate
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in like the functions and show you we bring out
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: not the popular month the skilled, most skilled motherfuckers you
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: can the mass.
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  Speaker 3: They could also just entertain you at a show like
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: this is true. If you are watching Supernat do what
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  Speaker 3: he does, you are dialed in live, You're just like,
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  Speaker 3: what is happening?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: This is insane and it's crazy because they both my friends, right,
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  Speaker 1: They both people that I would stay at their house,
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  Speaker 1: they would come to Miles we Rhyn forever and then
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: they battle, right, So everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Always asked me who's better?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Who didn't I'm like, listen, they both of them are
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the greatest I've ever seen, you know what I mean.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I think the one I had it felt like Juice
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: won the battle that I had on CD.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Everybody has a different, you know, perception, that's what.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Because I didn't download that battle for Juice. I just down.
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  Speaker 3: I just searched up Supernatural Freestyle and hit download and
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I was like, who's this other guy? This is crazy?
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Like, well, my job is to have them together, so
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  Speaker 1: you see how dangerous they are alone, imagine together.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Give me because obviously you were a part of the
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: rap Olympics, right, which were, for people who don't know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: very pivotal to a lot of people's careers. But I
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  Speaker 3: mean specifically, we always hear you know, Eminem is synonymous
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  Speaker 3: with the rap Olympics and his kind of a part
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  Speaker 3: of his story, and you were a part of his
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  Speaker 3: team when you did the rap Olympics, right, who'd you
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  Speaker 3: guys go against?
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I believe it was Project blowed out of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: La Yep. I believe they were the only ones that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: showed up. There was a long roster of teams that
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: were supposed to be there from like every popular rap
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: group that was out. Fuji's was supposed to have a team.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: There was you know, different representatives from crews. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and nobody showed up. Everybody on my team was a
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: master in freestyle and off the head, you know, Jews, Eminem, myself, Wordsworth, Quest,
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  Speaker 1: the mad lad like sit in the room with us
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and you fucking get blown. Even Craig g was out
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: there hanging out with us, like staying with us and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: things like that.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: So but it was a big moment, man, I.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Was gonna say, like for you, like, I just remember
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Eminem being a real backpack rapper. I guess back then
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: if you knew about him, you knew about him. But
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: he was definitively like an underground guy, like he was
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: on sound Bombing two, he did an any Man record.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: He obviously bad versus Evil with him or bad Me,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: tivil Roi and Royce, and he was definitely like you know, shit,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say no different, but like there was guys
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: like him classified. There was guys like in that kind
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: of like you know, the white boy rapper who could
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: spit like crazy, and then it was just like a
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: switch got flipped and it's the Doctor Dre switch of course,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: But like how crazy was that for you to kind
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: of see a peer, just go from like, hey, I'm
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: battling with this dude in the cipher and he's doing
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the MTV VMA's and he's an absolute superstar. And it's
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: not like like Eminem was like a lyrical rapper, Like
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: he was likely lyrical, miracle, spiritual dude. So like, you know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: if you heard his records prior to him getting a
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: dre you would never think like he was even capable
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  Speaker 3: of making crossover records.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I always believed it because but his talent was just
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: so crazy. Being around him, man, it's like I knew
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  Speaker 1: he was destined. I knew because his talent blew every
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: one way. You know, we had a big mutual respect
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: for what we both were able to do. Now, I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: knew at any moment something was going to happen, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: he was really the actual factual truth.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I always me when when when I credit anyone or
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: anybody in the industry, I base everything off skills first,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's important for me and
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: skills first. I don't care about nothing else. He had
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the skills to take it there, you know what I mean. So,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: but you know, I was around several artists, and I've
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: seen them blow up. You know, I've seen most and quality.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I've seen this that you know, as far as my
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: peers are concerned, I've seen them take off. I've seen
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: them take off. I've seen so many of us. And
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: then all it did was give me hope. It showed
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  Speaker 1: me that it's possible to see the level that M
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: got it.
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  Speaker 2: To him like I'm next, I'm coming.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And even to this day, where I've never I've never
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: had a situation, i've never had a record deal, I've
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: never had any of that. But I always knew is
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: that if I stay in it to win it, and
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I stay consistent, my day is gonna eventually come. And
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that's everybody's thing. As long as you put in the work,
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  Speaker 1: you will have eventually reached that motherfucking status that where
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: even if I had to do it myself, and which
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 2: But this is not even the end. This, I feel
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: like this is not even the beginning.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Well, you got a new album with a hope like
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, feel me in on the producer's name.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: It's my tale guests, my dude mateo guests.
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  Speaker 3: All the albums.
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  Speaker 2: He did the entire production you know.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Mateo Guess is from Framingham, Massachusetts. He been my close
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: friend for you know, since he was a teenager. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I would hang out with him in the studio, him
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I met him through my other good friend Jackson, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, we just Matero Guests was like, besides myself, man,
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  Speaker 1: he's probably the most dedicated person to hip hop I
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  Speaker 1: ever met, where nothing else matters but hip hop and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: him pursuing hip hop and being a producer and living
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  Speaker 1: his life according to hip hop. So I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: came into a situation where financial situation where he's like, Yo, we.
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  Speaker 2: Can do it.
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  Speaker 1: We can make an album right now, push it. And
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  Speaker 1: he gave me a call and we decided to work
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  Speaker 1: on an entire album. I've never done an entire album
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  Speaker 1: with anyone besides myself being the producer producing the entire album,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but like I said, he was my brother.
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  Speaker 1: I was happy to do it. We were already working
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  Speaker 3: to keep adjusting when it's like it feels like everyone's
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  Speaker 2: Evolve a dissolve. Like I said, I make sure I
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  Speaker 2: stay in tuned right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a trend follower, but I will follow what's
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  Speaker 1: I'm not changing my styff for nobody and shit like that.
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  Speaker 3: When I mean, I don't think. I think it would
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  Speaker 2: They expect that crazy shit, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm also, in my opinion, I'm one of the
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  Speaker 1: You know, I go from Spanish, Spanglish, reggae. I do
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  Speaker 1: I do massive punchline songs. So you know, you can't
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  Speaker 3: Yo, I'm not tripping. You had a record on did
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  Speaker 2: Nah.
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  Speaker 3: No, okay, maybe I'm tripping you know what. I maybe
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but I just remember like when I was
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  Speaker 1: and commercies.
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  Speaker 2: To advertise the site. Man.
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  Speaker 1: But Pizzo was a good dude man, Like we did
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff together, you know, as far as
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  Speaker 1: pushing my albums and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: They definitely supported me.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, as you being like the og
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: guy who could go boost a whole store rack right
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: from a Dillards or from wherever. When you see, like
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: what's happening, because it's really listen, it's everywhere but California.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: They're making it really busy. They're getting busy out here,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: like they won't even stop you. That cops ain't even
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: gonna arrest you. Like it is kind of like just
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: from your perspective, do you like look back and be
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: like damn, Like if we was out in Cali in
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: eighty nine, we'd be eating.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Nah, we'd have got caught because we ain't had no
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: cars back then.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: So we had the subway system, and you got.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: To grab racks and run right to the subway.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Straight to the subway and hit the tracks. Not wait
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: for the train. You gotta hit the tracks and run.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And now you're in danger. You could trip. You got rats,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you got bums, you got work bums. You got homeless
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: people living down there, Like.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: So you hit the tracks and you're hoping to get
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: to the next Now you're not hoping, you getting gott
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: to get there. Motherfucking right, we making it to them,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: anybody ever not make it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Many times, like you know, a lot of rushes and
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. It wouldn't just be one store. That
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: shit would continue the entire day, whether you just casually
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: boosting or whatever. So along the routes people get caught
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: all day long, but it never stops anyone from going
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: to the next spot.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Shit. Even McDonald's was hit, like.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm just saying, like how many people at
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: once would go in?
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: It were very like it could be five sometimes and
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: sometimes it could be fifty. It depends on where we're
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: at and who's together, because we could just randomly be
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: meeting up at a movie theater or something, and then
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people show up out of nowhere, and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: then the talks start happening, the ideas thrown in the air,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and motherfuckers are marching to stars after that.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Crazy And I remember because I think of the artists
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: who really embraced polo. Obviously, I think of you and
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I saw you say that Ray Kwan was kind of
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: like an honorary low head, right.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I mean we you know, we respect the whole wu man,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and Ray Kwan is, like I said, we consider him
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: one of us because he did it in the same
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: style and fashion and all that. I even have Ray
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: in my book and the Bury Meet with the Lawn,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah he has. He has a segment in my book
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: where he speaks of all of that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, he literally, like I can't even I don't
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: know if Tommy Hill Figure would have been like Tommy
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Hill Figure. I really think when I think of Tommy
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Hill Figure, I think of Ray Kwan, Like you know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: I think, like it's just crazy because like back then,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: were you kind of like were you like the polo
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: plug for a lot of artists, Like if they needed
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: some shit, would they just hit you?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Nah? Nah? No, I was the one you scared the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: way your polo around. You know, you were the.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Guy like, don't wear it around me because I might
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: take that shit off you if I ain't seen that piece.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Now, I was part of them dudes that taking it
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: off your back. Let me get that. That's besides is
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: that I was one of them dudes.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: How because because we always it's funny because we hear
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: about that era, and it was it felt like a
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: nineties thing where if you had Jordan's on or you
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: had some gear on, Yo, run me the fit. I
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: like that. I feel like that doesn't happen as much
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: right like right now, it's more like, Yo, give me
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: your watch, give me the jewelry. You know what I'm saying,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: give me your French bulldog.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: But back then it was also that like it was everything.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just the clothing. It's like, give me a chain,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: give me give me your girl.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Wow, because low Life is so fly.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: When we're coming through your girls watching right, and possibly
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take her too, She's gonna want to come
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: with us. There's so many times when we're running deep,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: we had so many stragglers just follow us, and I
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: mean women, people we don't know, because they would know
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: what we were going to do and they would add
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: on to the chaos and just jump in the mix
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: out of nowhere.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: And that happened a lot.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: So at times you might be on the subway, fly, dude, you.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Don't even gotta be fly.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: It could be a crackhead. Crackheads like in Tom Square
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: with Jumping go On.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I like those run me that hey fucking Obviously, years
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: later Annie Up comes out right, which kind of like
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: on a commercial level communicates to the rest of the
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: world that you will get robbed for everything you have
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: if you're come to Brownsville. How important, Like Annie Up
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: is like the commercial Like obviously, MP had four Alarm Blaze,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: they had what's the their first album. I can't think
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: of the name of their first album. I have it
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: on CD. Hardcore hardcore? How about some hardcore? How about
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: some hardcore? But like Annie Up was like a commercial
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: worldwide Brownsville anthem, Like it really kind of like to
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: me was like this is like, this is what we're
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: about in Brownsville. Don't come over here and get caught slipping, you.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Know, for us to even myself, I wasn't somebody robbing
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: my people in Brownsville.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: We took that shit every place else, you know what
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: If anything, we protected a lot of people in Brownsville,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: protect where they live right and the people around it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: But they also rob each other.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: But that's how you become built to withstand it, because
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: once you go through it a couple of times and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: you learn how to hold it down and defend yourself,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: then you able to make that cease. That's how you
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: earn your respect, and then from that point on people
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: know not to bother you, not to bother your family
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: because you're doing what you're supposed to do as far
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: as survival. But do you know I'm modeled in Brownsville
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Man never Ran, Never Will.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, You've obviously had some experiences with Hope.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: It was another Brooklyn legend. What was your experiences coming
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: up and being around jay Z.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, J's the goat to me. I agree, he's
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: done today, he's the go.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the goat.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: He deserves all the accolades at this point, and I
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: salute him properly. But you know, I've even always followed
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: his music. You know, I admired his skills, his style,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: everything about it, the evolution yep, yep, and everything he's become.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Right now, I stand proud to say, as Brooklyn Baby
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Hope is actually one of the people interested in doing
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the low life story. Like most, you know, the sitdowns
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: we have had were based around doing this film or
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: this series or whatever it's supposed to be. But I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: mean all my interactions with him were mostly me trying
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to battle him, like trying to pull him out to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: battle me and things like that. So I got to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: a point one day where instead of asking him, I
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: just spit at him, so he had to respond.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: And you know, I.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Could tell this story forever because you know, being who
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: he is, not many people could say they actually would
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: step the j in attempt to battle, you know, because
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I'm a monster with it.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: My punchlines are the truth and all of that.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: But do you recall what year that happened.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Ninety six?
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Wow, So that's like reasonable Dow reasonable.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Dot era when he had Rockefeller offices like downtown.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: So one day I was demo shopping.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: So when I made my first demo, I had my
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: first five songs from a four track, you know, I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: had a bio with a head shot, and I probably
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: had fifty packages in my truck that day, and I
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: went to death Jam. I put one on everybody's desk.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I went to the Sauce, I spit for the unsigned
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: high they gave me the column and then I went
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to Rockefeller and with the day I went there to
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: just to take my package. Jay Z was actually in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the office and they called him out to come see me.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, he knew who I was and all that,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: because I also worked at MTV for years and.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Most of the artists that would come to MTV to
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: do whatever work, I would step to them to battle,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and that's where I used to approach Jay most of
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the time. I even approached him at the Video Music
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Awards one time.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Crazy, They're like, what's up?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: We're going battle?
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: What's up?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: You know? I would do that constantly anytime I seen him.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: That's so crazy to think, well, how did first of all,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: how did that go? And he spit back?
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Oh nah? He would always be like, you're not ready.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: So you wrapped up? You spit at him?
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Not those times.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Only the last time was I didn't ask him because
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: every other time he just brushed me off and he's
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: not trying to hear me. So I guess he didn't
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: know what I possessed, so that last time he found out. Yeah,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: so he had to spit back because my rhyme also
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: was something that was kind of going against everything he says.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: You know that it was against the drug wrapped the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: my rolex in lexus and texas.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: That either, you know, I was on it like that,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: but he definitely came back strong. You know, he definitely spit.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: He rolled the elevator with me down and we was
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: on there getting busy.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Do you do you remember any of your rhyme from
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: that elevator.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Right the rohms you were about to hear, nevertheless, of
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: my own. This is for you, young and caees. Oh ma,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: how you've grown. You got bigger, better, strong, and much fast.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I remember when you were smaller soul with a speech impediment,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: impediment and had asthma. You were comedian when you started
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: doing stand up and when you come up with all
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: these fucking stupid answers. The rhyms would be cute if
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: you rote them on the pad that was pink. When
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: themcs think they above the rim and make them realize
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: they really below the sink before we.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Battle check it out. I got these rules. You can't
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: say nine time spine all that shit. Preschool.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: You could talk about coke deliveries that would never be here,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: shit like that. But I'm bugging that I actually remember
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: that shit right now because it was also an a
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: cappella that I put on that Brooklyn hall Rock sing
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: who had one a cappella to go with it, and
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that was the acapella that I spit at Jay that day.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Jesus, that's crazy man, shout out to ho. So we
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: will be seeing the low life story in some form
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: of fashion.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: You will be saying this on many forms because my
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: you know, aspect, and my part of the story.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Is only one camera angle. There's so many stories.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: There's so many low lifes that there's so many different
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: stories involved in. So the story you're going to see
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: is just from my perspective, but I'm sure there will
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: be other perspectives coming into.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Play at a point in time, how because I think,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: like I was here about the hip hop police back then,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: obviously late eighties, nineties, heavy mafia times in New York City.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: That's kind of like the peak of like when the
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: mafia kind of started to end. I guess was the
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: early nineties. Were you guys like looked at as like
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: a criminal organization at a certain point in time ATYPD.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Of course, so it was in the books.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: One of my good friends worked at a youth incarcerated center, right,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and he sent me a card one time. He sent
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: me a photo of a card that when you come
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: into the juvenile system, you had to fill out this
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: card and it asked you which gang are you a
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: part of? And Low Life was one of the boxes
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: of the options to check off.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Man, who would.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Actually fill that out? Honestly, Like, let's just admit to
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: being in a gang on this.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: A juvenile youth wants it to be known.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: He wants that critics because when he walks into that,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: he wants people to know his gang affiliation with Pride,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: And you know I know that from being a dumb
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: juvenile youth as well.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: So it's crazy.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I can't wait to see whatever comes out of
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the meeting.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Many things are coming out.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Is the album already out?
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, th Scillustrators on all digital platforms. I got features
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: on there Me and Smooth the Hustler got a joint
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: called Brownsville Legends. I got the rock Nance Monster and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: UG from Sellar Dwellers. We got a song called Lows
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and Cons basically telling the Low Life and Deceptor Con relationship.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Because everybody always thought like we was against each other
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: or you know, we was ops.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: But that wasn't in Brownsville. That wasn't the case.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe in other areas because in Brownsville we was all
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: family Lowlights and deceptor Cons.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: We actually lived in.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: The same neighborhood of the Decepticons.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: You know, there was a bunch of dudes on the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: train beating people up with hammers, man like the fucking
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: home tool hammers and robbing everybody for walkman's and but
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: they would be on the subway system like hundreds of
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: motherfuckers coming through.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: That's like what you always hear, like because when you
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: because like I never lived in New York. I think
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the first time I went to New York was two
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: thousand and thirteen, and you hear about this crazy crime
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: wave that was happening, and then you hear that Giuliani
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: cleaned it up.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I guess cleaned it up and did it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Was it like a thing when he became mayor, you
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: really noticed.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: The change was unexplainable. You know, he imposed the quality
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of life law. And remember New York City, you get
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: on the subway with your liquor bottle, your bier bottle.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Giuliani stopped at that helped cause niggas was on the
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: train drunk wild. You know, there was all kind of
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: shit going on in New York city, but he definitely
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: cleaned it up. I believe it's back to being the
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: dirty New York. It once was even Times Square that
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: got cleaned up.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I was just a Time Square a while ago.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: And now it's back to the dude, the dirty Deuce days,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: What I mean.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: There's all the scammer is out, laders is out, bootlegers,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: the three called Mally dude is back. Oh my god,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: the dude with the little balls, the cap dude.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Yo. When I've seen that recently, I seen that, I'm like,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: the Deuce is back.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: I was in south By, Southwest and I did not
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: know about this.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: You ain't know.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: And so We're in front of this liquor store in
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: like twenty fourteen, fifteen some shit, and I'm watching this
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: dude and I don't realize that the guy I'm watching
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: to win is with them, you know. And I'm like, oh,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: this is this is easy, h Those motherfucker's are magicians.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Not. It's also a scam.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: There's always a dude they're betting that they're allowing to win,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and you think you could win as soon as you
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: place the bet.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I just tell everybody, if you're out and you see
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: a guy with a little plate and he's got three
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: soda caps and a little ballpaper. Don't play the game.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: You will fucking lose. When I was, and it's never
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: and if you're gonna play, it's never the one you
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: think it is. Pick any of the other two that
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: you don't think it is.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: No, they make you think it's one. They do something right.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, around ten, I used
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to live with my uncle on one hundred and sixth
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Street in one hundred and sixteenth Street in Spanish hallm
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: by Lexington Avenue, and I remember outside of my building
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: the three car Mary dude used to be there every.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Day and one day I'm watching them. I'm only ten, and.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I noticed that the card that was the red card
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: was kind of bent.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: So I'm thinking, as a ten year old kid.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yo, this guy don't realize that it's bent. That's the one.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: And I remember telling my aunt, yo, he don't know
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: his car's bent, you know, give me twenty dollars a
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: place yet, and she was like, no, that's what they do.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: So they actually bend the car and leave it bent
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: for a while. As soon as you place the bet,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: they bend a different one. So you're gonna pick the
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: wrong one every time.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: So they have got those guys with those three caps
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: and that little ball. They took me for like seven
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars south Southwest.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I was hot. I was like, there's no way this
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: is I was just seven hundred. These guys were banned.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: It was just yeah, and I just saw it just
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: like there's it's like the casino, like these guys just
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: there's something about the flick of the wrist or it's
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: like they're magicians. Like literally, they're kind of you know,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: magicians are really.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Good magic trick.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a slid of handshit. It's kind of wild. Yeah.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: So you think New York is getting back to how
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: it was when it was just terrible, because you keep
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: hearing that the crime is is grown exponentially since the pandemic. Obviously,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: is Eric Adams the new mayor, Yeah, who was supposed
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: to be more hip hop than hip hop mayor? Why
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: I heard de Blasio kind of just has shit fucked up,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think during the pandemic the crime
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: rate increased, increased that two hundred percent, that's what they
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: was advertising, two hundred percent.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: She was out of control.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you could survive that shit and move
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: out and go someplace else, you dominate anywhere you go.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: New York is a fucking animal, man, If you could
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: survive there, If you could survive there, like like, uh,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: it's true. Who said that, Old Blue Eyes? If you
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: can make it there, you can make it anywhere.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I believe if you.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Could make it there, you could conquer anywhere because the
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: mentality and aggression you get from being trained and raised
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: in New York, especially if you were in that subway
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: every day, packed crowded, million personalities from all different ethnic
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: groups and shit like that. Yo, you get that, that's
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: the best training you could ever have.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Did you, guys ever back then? Because like I said,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: that's like peak Mafia, towards the end of the peak Mafia,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: did you ever have any run ins with I mean
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Brownsville and obviously it was not a mafia area, but
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: obviously just being in New York would you ever have
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: run ins with any of those guys or because that
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: was I mean, I've just been doing such deep dives
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: recently on YouTube with a lot of the New York
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: shit and like damn, like they really had their hands
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: in so much construction, and I mean Michael Francese was
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: like had the gas thing going, and there was just
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: it almost felt like if you were kind of a
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: part of the underworld in some capacity, like you had
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: to rub shoulders with with that lifestyle a little bit,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: even if it was inadvertently.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did, man, and in several different instances in life,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: you know, from when I would ride my bike through
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: like Howard Beach and Ozone Park from Brownsville, like going
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to far Rockaway, and I've been chased through those neighborhoods,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: like you know, on bike by a bunch of dudes,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: this mafia area. They try to run you over on
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the highway, you know, just to prevent you from coming
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: through here. Even Michael Griffin, man who who actually got
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: killed in Howard Beach, was a friend of mine.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: You know, so there were many situations man, that dealt
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: with them. I also worked with a coalition that would
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I guess they call it scape scaping, like
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: construction sites for jobs and things like that. Where where
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: when it was time to go to these construction site,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: these were the mob dudes. So you got a bunch
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: of black dudes coming to try to get jobs from
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: the mob dudes. And there was a arc ball from
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Brownsville where he had the company at the spot called
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Operation Future, which is also the a law school. And
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I believe his life was threatened and you know, they
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: was attempting to kill him and all that because.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: They had so much to do with like the labor
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: force and like unions and like the construction companies in general,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: like who's getting contracts.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: And for many years, maybe since the twenties and thirties.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: That right was really ended in the nineties, like early nineties.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: So it's yeah, I just always wondered, like, damn, like
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: how crazy would it been to just like be in
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: New York during those times? Like last question, give me
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: the most legendary or intense cipher. They don't have to
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: be the same cipher. They could be different ciphers that
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: you've ever been a part of.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Wow, damn, that's that's I can't even I've been in
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a million ciphers with a bunch of monsters, man, So
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: everybody was like massive, you know, even ciphering with M,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Like you know, me and M would cipher all M
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: would come to Brownsville.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: EM and then would come to Brownsville.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Eminem would come to Brownsville two three in the morning.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Really, Paul Rosenberg come to Brownsville to my project, really
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: and we ron even Paul Rosenberg would ryn that's how,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: that's how like inspiring me and M's like rhyme session
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: was that other people were jumping because we only freestyle.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: We didn't really spit no written shit or nothing like that.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: So Eminem was coming to Brownsville. Now this is this
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: can't be.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: It's in the nineties, like ninety seven, ninety eight, So
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: this is when he this.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Is right right around the time, like you know, he
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: was doing like a wake up show and like doing
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: this before.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: All of the four before we started hitting. Because once
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: we were introduced, then we became friends and you know,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: we stayed involved with each other and even Paul became
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: my lawyer at the time.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: So Eminem comes to Brownsville two or three in the morning,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: anybody give him any hell? Like, who's this the white
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: boy for walking over here at two in the morning.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: If you coming to my house, ain't nobody bothering you?
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I know everybody here. So it's like and there's a
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: lot of love there. It ain't as crazy as everybody thinks.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Because the people love each other and they protect the area.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: So if you're coming in there, they know you're going
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: to see someone, they make sure you all right.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: You know Eminem at Brownsville two in.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: The morning, Facts and Rome and his ass off all night. Man,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: It's like, couldn't stop.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Wow. Anybody ever gets so offended in a sight for
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: you or a part of not say it was from
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: you that that that violence ensued.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think they wanted violence, but I was always
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: disrespectful with strengths.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Some of these battles or somebody will say something and
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: then they'll get slapped.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you say, my mother or my kids or
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: whatever might get stab motherfucker. That's why in today's you
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: know world about I can't do that because I'm disrespect
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not with it, like I'm disrespectful, and i know
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: it's being a battle, but I've never touched your mother's subjects.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Or and like not to say that. I don't want
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: to blanket the back because I'm not as in tune
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: with the battle world as most people are that are
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: into that. But I think it's less about the cleverness
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: of the bar and more about the level of disrespect.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it feels that way.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Because those are bars. A punchline is just a joke exactly.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: That's to be little you. So the more disrespect you you,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: disrespectful you are, the more you be little in the motherfucker.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: My whole thing was to belittle you and disrespect you.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I even made people battle me, Like, if you're famous,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: you're not walking by me. I'm standing in front of you,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna rob you and we're gonna battle.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Okay. Besides, jay Z, give me an example of somebody
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: that we would know that you did that with where
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: you made them have to.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Well, one person I battled, you know, Like I said,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I worked at MTV.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: So everybody's walking in and out yet.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: And then out.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: So I worked at UH I think it was like
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: ninety five. I worked that Fashionably Loud. It was like
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: a big fashion show. It was almost as big as
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: the VMAs.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: To where.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: We're working at the Hammerstein Ballroom and they, you know,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: I'm the guy on the walkie. They say, hey, we
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: got so and so walking in. Somebody take him up.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: So it's like, hey, Coolio's coming in and he needs
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: to come up in the elevator. I'm like, I got
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: it copy, so now I get Now I get in
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: the Coolio comes in with an entourage right list in
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: peace Coolio America. My respect for him after that day,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: pro through the roof, Get on the elevator, close it up.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: You know, we on a freight elevator. He got about
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: four or five dudes with him. You know, I'm a
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: big dude too, So I'm standing there, what's.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Up, Coolio? You want to battle?
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: And then everybody looked and said what even even the dudes.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: He was always like, yo, this West Coast man. So
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, but yo, Coolio just started spitting. And
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I knew he had skills beyond the the record the
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: commercial hits he had because I did buy his albums,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: the WC and the Mad Circle. You know, when I
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: was in prison, I used to buy everybody's stuff through
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: the mail. And so he automatically got busy and we
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: went at it for a little while, and you know,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: it was it was respectful, you know, respectful. We didn't
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: it wasn't no disrespect, but he showed me that he
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: was a real MC and he was really about this
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: hip hop shit. And ever since that day, whenever I
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: spoke with Coolio because most people in New York City,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: they weren't familiar with w C and the Mad Circle,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: so they only knew Coolio from the the Big Hits
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: and all that. So when I spoke about him anytime
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: in New York City, I let them know Coolios and
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: real hip hop dude MC and Official you know what
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: And God rest is soul. I mean, Coolio was one
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: of the most famous rappers on the planet for about
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: three years straight. I mean, as a kid, you would just.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: You couldn't go over with I seen Coolio is about it, man.
• 57:22
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• 57:25
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• 58:36
  Speaker 1: And I remember he was coming into MTV building and
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you'll rob us up you win a battle.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: So he was like, well, and we went to the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: side right, and then I spit my balls and he
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that's nice, that's nice. So he didn't
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: take it as a battle. He just told me my
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: shit was good and all that, you know, And I
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't you know, this is the god. I'm not being
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: disrespectful in no form, but my approach. Member, I'm I'm
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: a I'm a true New York hip hop culture do so.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I'm a breakdancer who battled the whole Brownsville. I went
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: to the rocks. He's just a battle like I never danced.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Only dance I ever did was a breakdance. So and
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: I only went to the clubs in those days to battle.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: That's so crazy to just think, like you're in the elevator, Hey,
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: what's up, Coolio? You want to battle?
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Did that?
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Did you ever get yelled at by MTV for trying
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: to battle everybody?
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Nah? Because I did it very discreetly and like if.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: My producer right here was like, hey, what's up, Thursty nice?
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Do you want to battle, I'd be like, what are
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: you doing? You're embarrassing.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: No, I never did it. I never did it in
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: front of you know, bro charge of shit. So no,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I told you.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I was just on another show this weekend. They asked
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: me about my bust the battle because me and Buster
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: went at it one night at the tunnel. I probably
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: told this story fifty times. I'm at a red light.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Buster pulls up besides me and shout out bust because
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you know, he just got the bigger war lifetime achievement.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: And I only tell the story because.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: He deserves everything he has right now who he is,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and also because he's still that dude that's gonna get
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: at you when it's time to fletch your shit.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Right. So I'm at a red light. Buster pulls up
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: beside me.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: You know, we're at the Tunnel Nightclub where you circle
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: the block looking for parking.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I guess they doing the same.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: So when he pulled up beside me, he's in the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: passenger seat. I'm in the driver's seat of my truck.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: And I looked at him, said, Buster, you want a battle, nigga?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: That nigga looked at me and said what I said,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: pull over, nigga. He said no, and he started splitting.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: And went at it. Yo.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: He was going so hard that the light churned green
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: and everything. Now we got traffic backed up, all the horns.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: He gets a battle through the car windows.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Through the car window. Then we pulled over and went
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: at it for like an hour. You and Buster rhymes
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Me and Buster. I didn't even have a demo act
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: outside of the tunnel. Outside the Tunnel Nightclub in New
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: York City, like on Eleventh Avenue twenty. It was right
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: when he began to promote the Wuha single.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: It hasn't dropped.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Yet, first album buster.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: This is first single.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Before the yep buzzy. Yeah, so this is that buster.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: But like I said, man, he he got busy.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: So these are the people that really lived that shit.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: That's why it's nothing for them. They don't feel disrespected
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: because he's also built that way. That's what he comes from.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I say the same about Coolio. And there was a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: lot of rappers that when, you know, because it got
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: to the point I would go to the tunnel every week.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I stopped going inside. I'm sitting outside with my truck.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Everybody who walked up, I'm stepping to him. I remember Pudgy,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: the Fat Bass They walked up one day. You know,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, you gotta do this with me
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: right now, Pudgy, we gotta get this in. And we
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: moved off to the side. You know, we wrapped back
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and forth. But you know, he was focused on getting
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: up in the club, you know. But there was how
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: crazy was the tunnel?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Oh man, you have to be a thug to go
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: up in there.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: All pretty lady, because you know, I've been going to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: the tunnel since the eighties. The eighties was popping with
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: the tunnel.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Had I just think of people in like like puffy
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: goose jackets, Timberland's and you know, fucking scullies.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Some of that.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: But whatever the trends were at that time, a lot
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: of jewelry, gold change, you know. And and the thing
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: was it was full of like all the thugs from
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: all the different projects and neighborhoods with all the pick.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Up kids wait outside of the tunnel.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, matter of fact, like a couple of blocks away,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: there's a project near there.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Those dudes were eating.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot not everybody had a Carter's in
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: New York City, so you would have to drive.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: I mean you would take.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: The train and maybe walk the five or six blocks
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: through their area. And they knew that that was these
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: motherfuckerss robbing dudes all the time, you know.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: But there was also dudes that circled the block waiting
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: To come out Friday night, Saturday night. That was a
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Sunday night, Sunday nights at the tunnel.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. Shout out to the tunnel. I just the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: only thing I know about the Tunnel is it was
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: a hell of a funk Flex and Big Cap album
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Rested Beast the Big CAP's Peace Cap. Well, listen, I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: appreciate you man. The new album's out right now.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Skillustrated all digital platforms.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Like I said, check the website Thirst and How the
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Third dot Com. Check my YouTube page, watch all my
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: movies on my videos I'm on ig Facebook, Thirst and
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: How the Third on everything, you know what I mean.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: And hopefully we get the story of the Low Life soon.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Hope is here, Baby, It's coming. Hope is here. Hope
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: is it live?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to see it. Nah, who would you cast?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Play yourself?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: I got a couple of people in mind, I don't
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: want to say yet, so that way I don't put
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: them on points to where they're trying to figure out
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: how much to hit me in the head for, you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: But I got some good ones. You know.
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  Speaker 1: We've been pursued in this story for over twenty years,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: like myself and Mark Levin from Blowback Productions, and in
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: the beginning in the early two thousands, I had chosen
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Rick Gonzalez to play me, you know, and he was
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  Speaker 1: the perfect, perfect Yeah. The only problem is now is
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  Speaker 1: that you know he's he's older and this is this
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: is a young role, you know. Yeah, Rick is busy man,
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  Speaker 1: and he would have been to me. He's still perfect,
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  Speaker 1: but the role is for it begins as a sixteen
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  Speaker 1: year old kid.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like you need somebody kind of like
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  Speaker 3: relatively unknown.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we're gone with Toro to change
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  Speaker 1: their yeah, career, That's exactly how we're thinking. Man, we
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  Speaker 1: want to give somebody that opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: And Snowfall like no, like now that dude is the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: hottest and that show put him in place. The Wire,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: the Wire, the wires. How many actors from the Wire
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: can we say?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: But Idris is the one that actually.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: It put him on. I'm saying, Damnson, Idris is a
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: different guy than yourselbo. Okay, Damnsonatri is the young kid
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: from the UK that played Franklin Saint in Snowfalls. Elba
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: the Wire Stringer Bell changed his life and Michael K.
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  Speaker 3: Williams life. So many actors, I mean, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Jesus, that's what we're hoping to do. Man.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: We want to break round. I want I want to
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Puerto Rican actor to play me. I want to give that.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: The that era of New York's version of the Wire
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: because it needs that.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: That's where we're going with it. Maybe because there's so
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: many stories within the story.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many different you know, there's.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: So many moving parts in it, and there's so many sides,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: so you know it's gonna go to so many different angles.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Man Like. Even what we have prepared already is like, wow.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: You know, well, Ship, I can't wait to see it.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: We appreciate you coming through already. Third Support. What's the website?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Thirston?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: How the third dot com shout out all the low
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  Speaker 1: life family all over the world, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the U l L, the All reup PC, the Orlando
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  Speaker 1: Low Zone, the Miami Family, Low Life, Mexico Low Life,
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  Speaker 1: Paris Low Life.
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  Speaker 3: Well, well, canna ask you one more thing regarding Polo. Okay,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: I obviously was hip to you guys, but I didn't
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: start buying Polo until I was sixteen and I got
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: a part time job at Macy's and I was having
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: my mom come in and I would only ring her
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: up for like one out of ten items. I was
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: stealing for sure, And the reason why I wanted to
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: start wearing polo is because of Kanye, Wow, because I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: was a hugea fan. How how for you guys to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: be like the og polo guys and to see Kanye
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: put polo on on a commercial level like a whole
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: other le Like when he came out, he was polo
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: the fuck out. You know what I'm saying, How did
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: you guys feel about that? And like, how did you guys?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Kind of because he got a lot of credit for
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: the polo putting polo on a hip hop even though
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: you guys were with the pioneers.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, some low lifes were offended. I even think
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: they took shots at them and things like that. But
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: I saw it for what exactly it was. He was
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: just opening the doors for us. You know, yeah, he
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: got it, but then when he did it, it really
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: focused on us in our backstory. I think in hip hop,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I'm the first one to really exploit the polo on
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the cover, even before Kanye came out, you know, the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn hard Rock and then my first album, the Skillion
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: there showed like all the polo coming out of my closet, vomiting.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Type of staff. So you know, but me personally.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm never mad at anything because I know where
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I stand, I know where I sit, and I know
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: where I'm going with it, and all those little things
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: actually help us, like including the fifty cent show, the
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: raising kaning they have a low life character within the show, and.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: So many people were upset and saying this and that.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Oh they said, I'm like yo, they they making it
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: easier for us now.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: You know, to push our show or to picture because
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: they're showing that this.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Exists and it was important.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I credit fifty and I gotta say thank
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: you fifty.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: You know, did Kanye.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Ever reach out to you or shout you guys out
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: at all?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he responded to one of the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: things that was yeah, like you know, he had that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: song where he said, oh, you're trying to say I'm
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: not a low hand. That was I believe in response
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: to what other low LIFs were saying. But you know,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: much success to Kanye, which he already attained, and much
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: respect to him, man, because he.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Keep saying, last question, what's the most expensive polo item
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: that you've either the one I wear every day, No,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: but you have to have had that? Is there like
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: a fucking polo you know, Rose Royce or something I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: don't know, Like, what's the craziest polo item you've ever owned?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would say the stuff that I create myself,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Like if it's something Ralph doesn't make, I would take
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: things apart and create my own.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Like you know how we would do the silks.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: We would get three different giant silks and make it
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: into a shirt that doesn't exist on his market, and
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: they would actually sell for thousands. Like the value on
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: the shirt is really after I take it off. Now,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: this shirt is valuable. So now I could sell that
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: motherfucker for whatever.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: That's crazy, man, boy, I appreciate you coming, dude, Thanks
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  Speaker 3: for having me.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Man, I'll be back many times.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Now. We'll be out here in Cali a lot.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Working on a smash, working on everything.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Way more than music, is way more than TV, you know, multimedia. Man,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: So there it is every angle man I'm trying to cover.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Man, we appreciate you pulling up.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: It's the coach, sir. I'm for the coach all the way.
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