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Nick Fuentes Interview Reaction with Dr. Phil, Piers Morgan, Harry Sisson | America Unfiltered #172 · America Unfiltered With James P

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  America, we are back, baby. Welcome to another episode of
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  America Unfiltered. We got a great show for you guys
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  tonight. Today I want to go over Pierce
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  Morgan's reaction that he did today with a panel of guests to
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  the interview he had with Nicholas J Fuentes.
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  He did this panel with people like Doctor Phil, Andrew
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  Colvitt, multiple other people. So I want to go over this today.
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  I think it would be a great show.
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  I'm still feeling a little sick. You guys could probably hear it
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  in my voice today. So we're not going to be doing
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  the news. And to be honest, there's
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  nothing really to fucking talking about.
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  There's not a lot in the news going on right now.
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  It's a very slow Newsweek. It's always slow around the
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  holiday times. Hopefully it picks up soon.
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  I know we're going to be having a massive week next week when
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  Candace Owens sits down to do her reaction to Turning Point
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  USA stream. I know we're all a little
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  disappointed she won't be there. Some people support it, but I
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  don't get that. But we'll talk about that a
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  little bit today. But we're going to do a reaction
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  stream to Piers Morgan's panel that he did with Doctor Phil and
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  other people on his show today. I know Harry Sisson made an
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  appearance, Multiple people made an appearance.
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  So we're going to check it out. We're going to get right into it
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  today. Should be a fun show.
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  But with that, let's get right into the show today.
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  My family had a saying about Olive Garden that contains the N
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  word. Do you think you grew up in a
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  racist environment? That your father was inherently
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  racist if you. Want to go after families?
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  We can play that game. Your family's screen like that
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  too appears. Fuck you and your family.
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  You did bring up the guy's dad and you said his name.
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  This is a person who has had people attempt to assassinate
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  him. The most powerful role model in
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  any child's life is the same sex parent.
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  You, I think, were the only interviewer so far to really
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  hold Nick Puentez accountable. And say what you want about him,
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  he's. Extremely smart, an incredibly
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  talented communicator and very well rat.
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  The reason he has attracted a lot of attention is because he's
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  speaking to be anger and frustration a lot, which is
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  valid. Just about everybody else has
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  had their say on my interview with Nick Fuentes this week,
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  with a notable exception of me. There's been columns in
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  newspapers and magazines, endless hours of YouTube
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  commentary, hundreds of thousands of posts on Xbox's
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  inevitable swarm of grouper weirdos following me everywhere
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  online. All of that was to be expected.
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  Fuentes is highly controversial. Griper Weirdos.
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  What do you mean? I invited him on in the 1st
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  place. What I didn't really expect was
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  the frenetic and compulsive Pearl clutching from Fuentes and
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  his control army, who ironically accused me of doing exactly the
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  same thing during the interview. Fuentes and his followers are
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  particularly upset about this. There was an episode of of your
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  podcast where you talked about your father, Bill Fuentes, and
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  how you wouldn't take the family, including you, to
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  certain restaurants because he believed they were associated
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  with African Americans. We would be deciding where to go
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  to eat. You said, what are we going to
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  do for dinner tonight? It was a running joke.
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  Me and my sister would say Applebee's and my dad would say
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  we would never eat at Applebee's.
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  Not in a million years should you be caught dead.
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  When to say about Applebee's? Go to a different restaurant, a
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  local restaurant. No Applebee's, no Red Lobster
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  that is commonly known as black fare.
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  And you also share another story about your family and
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  restaurants said before me and my sister were born, my family
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  had a saying about Olive Garden that contains the N word that
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  we're not allowed to say. So my question based on that
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  anecdote that you say on your own podcast is do you think you
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  grew up in a racist environment, that your father was inherently
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  racist and that that thought process moved to you?
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  Well, point is responded by getting very worked up and
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  directing his trolls to harass me and all my family.
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  All very predictable you. Want to go after families?
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  We can play that game. Your family's green lit then
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  too, Piers. Your family's green lit as well.
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  So. Fuck you and your family, fuck
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  you and fuck your kids. You bring my dad into it.
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  But Nick, if you clutch those pearls any harder, they will
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  bruise the back of your neck. To be clear again, this wasn't a
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  low blow or a trap or an attack on Bill Fuentes.
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  It was a question about a story. Was Piers about to get mad that
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  people are talking about his wife?
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  Piers has been cocked by his wife.
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  It's very apparent on social media.
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  His wife was literally on Ashley Madison, which is a website for
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  cheaters to go on to have affairs.
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  And she talked about this to a news publication.
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  And she also posts multiple times on her Instagram pictures
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  of her in bed with other guys. Her saying that she wants a pool
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  boy, her saying posting a picture of a guy in a thong,
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  saying that when my husband's out of town, he comes out like
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  all these weird things, insinuating that she's a
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  cheating slut. So is that what he's getting at
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  here? Because, like, you asked for
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  that. Don't marry a whore.
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  I mean, it just seems like pretty fucking obvious, right
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  Pierce? Which I thought could be
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  insightful, and it was a story that Nick Fuentes decided to
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  share on his own show to his own followers.
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  My dad refused to allow us. My dad would not let us go.
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  That was a common joke. We would be deciding where to go
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  to eat. You know, what are we going to
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  get for dinner tonight? And it was a running joke that
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  me and my sister would say Applebee's and my dad would say
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  no we will never eat an. Applebee's so yeah, so not.
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  Not a million years, not a million years.
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  She'd be caught dead. Go go to some other place, go to
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  a go to a different restaurant, go to a local restaurant.
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  So yeah, no, no Applebee's, no Red Lobster.
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  That's that is commonly known as black fare.
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  And before me and my sister were born, my family had a saying
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  about Olive Garden that contains the N word that, you know, we're
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  not allowed to say that my parents wouldn't say around me
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  and my sister about, about Olive Garden, it's relationship with
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  black people. It contains a bad word, contains
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  a naughty word in there. So I'm not going.
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  To repeat it here, but. Yeah, we don't eat there.
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  So that's Nick Buwentes, in his own words, telling the story
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  that he objected to me asking him about.
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  One of my objectives for the interview was to find out a bit
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  more about this guy who's at the centre of a big raging storm
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  amid the conservative movement in America right now.
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  Is he just performative, outrageous and attention
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  seeking, or does he really believe the most incendiary
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  things that he says? And if the answer to that
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  question is yes, how did he get there?
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  Having interviewed people for nearly four decades now, I find
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  their upbringing is almost always influential one way or
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  another. And if you don't want other
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  people to talk about it, then why talk about it very publicly
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  yourself? There are many more interesting
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  points of debate from this interview, from crime stats,
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  from racism to generational divides to Holocaust denial.
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  We get to all of them, and we'll do with my panel shortly.
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  But this one small exchange has, for me, really made a bigger
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  point. What Fuentes and his fans hate
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  most is any accountability. It's all about speaking
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  unchallenged into an echo chamber.
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  But there's a whole movement built on directing blame on
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  anger onto everybody else. Girls don't like you because
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  they're difficult. The neighborhoods in decline
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  because of the. Women are difficult.
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  Have you ever dealt with them? Your wife is literally cooking
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  you and you're going to say women are easy?
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  Yeah, it's probably easy to just be a cock, I'd imagine.
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  What a stupid fuck. Black people, the world is
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  corrupt because of the Jews, and so on.
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  Now he's angry about the story being shared because in fact, he
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  shared himself. It wasn't a game or a trick to
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  question Nick Fuentes about the words of Nick Fuentes.
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  That was the whole point of the interview.
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  Well, I'll be joined by stellar panel in a moment.
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  We'll begin with Doctor Phil, host of the Real Story.
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  Doctor Phil, great to have you back on our censored as always.
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  What do you make of Nick Fuentes?
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  Well, a lot and 1st have to say I commend you.
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  It would be so much funnier if they had the fake Doctor Phil
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  come out. Trusted Doctor Phil.
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  What's that comedian's name? Adam Ray.
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  Adam Ray. I don't know why I'm sick, so my
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  mind's not working as well, but I've seen him live.
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  It's hilarious. He does a fake Doctor Phil
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  impression and it's like a dirty Doctor Phil.
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  Very. It would have been so much
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  funnier if that was fake. Doctor Phil, thank.
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  You for doing this interview, I know some people say, why would
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  you platform this person? I think it took courage for you
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  to put him on and I'm glad that you did because if an adult, if
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  there's not an adult in the room to ask the hard questions and
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  hold these type of voices accountable, then they just run
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  unchecked and and you saw what happened here.
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  You know, I spent a lot of time doing trial science work in in
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  the litigation arena. And we always say your story
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  goes a lot better if you're the only one telling it.
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  And that's what people mean when they talk about echo chambers
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  and living in a in a bubble. And what you did was hold him
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  accountable for what he says. And and of course, that's not
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  near as much fun when a narcissist is not in a room full
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  of people that are nodding along with them.
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  And you just said, listen, I'm not going to introduce anything
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  new here. I'm going to ask you about what
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  you said and let you explain what you said.
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  And there was no ambush here. He could have predicted with
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  great accuracy what you were going to ask.
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  You just ask it in a, in a very critical thinking sort of way.
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  And that was very uncomfortable for him because someone was
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  holding him to account. And thank you for.
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  Doing you mean it was uncomfortable for him?
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  He was laughing the entire time. He was having fun.
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  He he spent two hours trolling Pierce.
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  So like and Pierce didn't even realize.
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  I don't think Pierce still realizes it.
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  I I still think Pierce is I, I think he's oblivious to the fact
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  that Nick spent two hours trolling him and Clip.
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  Farming that because his opinions that he's spreading are
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  ugly, they're corrosive, they're deeply UN American.
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  And that's the psychology of extremism.
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  I think that he is he is not empowering young men.
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  He's manipulating them. And here's I'm going to take a
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  breath here in a minute and let you comment on what I'm saying.
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  But this is the same algorithm that social media uses.
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  If people like something, they click a little bit.
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  If you can get them worked up about something, they click a
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  whole lot. And that's the same strategy as
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  the algorithm that makes social media so toxic.
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  And that's what he does. And you called him out on that
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  in a very transparent and, and, and fair minded way.
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  You let him tell his story. But you ask about some of the
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  key points. Yeah.
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  And, you know, what was really interesting was I don't think he
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  expected that that anecdote about his father to come out so
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  early or if at all. So he looked a bit taken aback.
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  And the reason I asked, it was very specific.
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  You know, I said to him, in all my experience of interviewing
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  people, and you've interviewed as many as I have felt, if not
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  more, I, I really do believe that the vast majority of people
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  are a product of their environment.
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  And if Nick Fuentes through his own through his own story about
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  his parents there, and particularly his father, if he
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  grew up in in an environment of overt racism with his father
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  saying I'm not taking you to certain restaurants because
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  they're associated with black fare, then you can begin to
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  understand why he himself has become overtly racist.
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  No real Italians go to Olive Garden.
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  Like, what are you fucking bitching about?
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  Shut up. This is like the this is the
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  gayest thing I've seen so far. Yeah, I mean, this is
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  completely, utterly retarded. And indeed he's proud of it.
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  So to me it was a very relevant question, but but again, he
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  can't be an ambush if all I'm doing is asking him about a
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  story he himself put in the public domain.
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  He did introduce it into the public domain with great fanfare
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  and and having a great time doing it.
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  Look, the most powerful role model in any child's life is the
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  same sex parent. They write on the slate of who
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  their children are and they start doing that from a very
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  early age. And, and they write on the slate
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  emotionally, socially, in terms of values, thinking process.
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  So you're, you're quite right to bring that up.
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  If you want to know who someone is, you need to look at from
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  whence they came. And that doesn't mean they don't
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  have a chance to alter that when they get other world views.
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  But but certainly that's a relevant subject matter that he
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  introduced. He just introduced it when no
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  one was calling him out or questioning him about it.
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  And it was interesting to me how quickly he put on the victim
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  hat. They also leave out Nick's
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  entire back story with that of like Nick starting as a
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  libertarian and Nick not having any of these views about race
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  and about his some of his views about religion.
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  Like he was pro Israel at first pro Ted Cruz and his views
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  shifted over time as he learned more, it shifted more with
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  knowledge. Not it didn't start that way
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  because he grew up in this racist environment.
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  Like this is completely disingenuous.
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  This is this is just lies. This is bullshit.
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  And and started retreating. I I thought it came across as
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  very whiny immature. Whiny.
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  Learn how to fucking speak. Secure and inadequate and he
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  said he was a racist. He said he was an in cell.
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  He used that term. He he introduced that and you
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  know, that's that's defined as very misogynistic and resentful
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  and and blaming of others, blaming women, blaming
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  minorities, blaming Jews. He's blaming so many other
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  people, which is strange for someone that's in a leadership
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  position to try to do. You know I asked him about his
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  own sex life, right? Because it seems to be relevant
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  because of this whole. Belief.
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  In cells, you know who are involuntary celibates,
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  supposedly, and this is how the exchange went down.
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  Are you actually attracted to women?
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  I am attracted to women. In all, gay.
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  No, but I will say that women are very difficult to be around
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  so. There's that.
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  And do you think they should have the right to vote?
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  No. I do not.
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  No, absolutely. They should stay at home.
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  Yes. Well, yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah, so basically you're just a misogynist old dinosaur, aren't
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  you? For a for a young guy.
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  I mean, I know I'm the boomer, I know I'm the boomer here, but
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  actually you're a 27 year old dinosaur, aren't you?
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  Aren't you, Nick Fuentes? All women, all women are
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  annoying. All women grow old.
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  They all get fat, says the guy. Have you ever had sex?
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  No, absolutely not. Wow, says the guy who's never
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  got laid. That's the thing though, you
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  boomers, It's all you've. Never got laid.
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  He's a cap. Yeah, we're we are going back to
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  the Stone Age. You're absolutely right.
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  This, you know, you're talking about empathy and your kids are
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  empathetic and they would never laugh at a joke about the
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  Holocaust. And you're a misogynist.
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  You're a simp yourself. You're totally hen packed.
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  That's the problem. And.
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  What was interesting? Philly, He went on to admit.
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  He'd never been in love, never had any meaningful relationship
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  with a woman, and yet he's so misogynist in his rhetoric about
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  women, so demeaning about them. You know, I talked there earlier
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  in the interview, which is why I refered again about how he'd
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  said on his show that women, the trouble is they're not just
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  annoying. They get old, they get ugly,
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  they get fat and so on. Now, really demeaning, horrible
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  language about women. But not not difficult to work
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  out why he would feel this. Why is it demeaning and crazy to
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  say that people get old and fat like that does happen?
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  That that's just speaking factually and him saying that he
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  wants to wait till a little later in life to marry someone a
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  little younger, Like what the fuck is wrong with that?
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  That's ridiculous. That's one of the most
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  ridiculous things I've heard. And then trying to shit on him
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  for saying oh he hasn't even gotten laid.
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  It's like OK he's a Catholic. You claim to be a Catholic yet
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  you want women to be priests and you think people should be
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  having sex before marriage? Don't call yourself a Catholic.
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  You're just a retard, Pierce. This way, if he's never had any
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  real interaction with them, every so often there's a piece
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  of cinematic entertainment that just feels bigger and bigger.
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  Not another Hollywood reboot. She's fucking pen out of.
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  Full silence between Merlin premieres exclusive.
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  We waited 50 minutes for an ad on the first show and now we're
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  at one at 14 minutes in. Are you fucking kidding me?
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  Like come on. Come on, Piers.
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  Well, it's very transparent and I mean, please go back to the
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  oldest. Wait, that was a Daily Wire ad
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  too? That was a Daily Wire ad.
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  Hump Pierce's network. No wonder Pierce fucking hates
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  Nick. No wonder Ben Shapiro is
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  whipping, whipping. Get back to work Piers Morgan.
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  Get back. It's just like that fucking
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  shit. Instant call back to the Callie
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  Groiper girl yesterday who is literally doing those little
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  figurines like get back to work Piers Morgan.
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  That's what Ben Shapiro is doing him.
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  He's running ads on his show. Parables in the world, you're
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  talking about sour grapes here. And this is someone that has
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  gotten into a comfort zone where he doesn't interact, he doesn't
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  have relationships that call on him to engage in meaningful
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  conversation with women, learn what they're about and who they
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  are. It's easy to sit up in the cheap
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  seats and criticize. And of course, we know that the
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  talent pool in in this world at at every level.
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  If, if we took women out of the talent pool in this world, we
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  would be crippled so bad. It's look at what's happening in
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  medicine, technology, so many areas that if you look at the
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  enrollment in universities right now, women have eclipsed men.
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  He is, he is so uninformed in his views.
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  And the problem is you get in the.
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  You should read the Bell Curve. Doctor Phil, you, you should
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  read The Bell Curve. Do you think Doctor Phil or
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  Pierce Morgan without looking it up?
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  And this is something I challenged my viewers as well.
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  Do you think you can name 10 female geniuses without looking
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  it up? Actual geniuses, 10 female
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  geniuses, because everybody can name 10 male geniuses pretty
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  quickly. But they don't exist on the
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  other side. And he's like, oh, we'd be
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  crippled. What do you?
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  For thousands of years it worked.
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  For thousands of fucking years it worked.
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  And then this country's going to shit right now.
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  And it happens to be at the same time that we have mass
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  migration, that we have this multiculturalism bullshit, that
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  we have women in the workplace and voting and all this stuff,
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  and women not having kids, doing what they're supposed to do.
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  These cult like communities where you get people that maybe
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  haven't had a good role model in their lives and have someone
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  like him who can be entertaining, can be
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  charismatic. He's a nice looking young man.
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  And you know, people, young men will follow that if they don't
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  have good father figures in their own life, in the absence
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  of real leadership, they'll follow almost anyone if they
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  present well. And that's a problem.
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  And and mothers and fathers families need to be asking what
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  can I do to fortify my. That's retarded.
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  I have a great family life. I still love Nick.
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  Fortify my young men against this kind of exploitation and
• 18:12
  that's. What you think trying to push
• 18:13
  your kids away from him is going to?
• 18:14
  I'm sorry I'm pausing it so often, but it's like this guy is
• 18:17
  retarded. You think telling your kids
• 18:20
  don't watch Nick Fuente? You think that's going to work?
• 18:23
  No, no, your kids are going to give you 2000 years of bloodshed
• 18:26
  in history. People should be standing up and
• 18:29
  applauding you, exposing with great transparency what's going
• 18:33
  on here with this movement, with this phenomenon.
• 18:35
  Well, all I wanted to do honestly was to work out whether
• 18:38
  it was all performative or whether he really believes a lot
• 18:41
  of the things that he says. And by the end I concluded he
• 18:44
  does actually believe a lot of this stuff and.
• 18:47
  What does he believe? Some of it.
• 18:49
  But what I wasn't expecting Phil, which I, I was really
• 18:51
  quite shocked by and it takes a lot to shock me, but the sheer
• 18:54
  volume and venom on social media of his so-called gripers, these
• 18:59
  young men that adhere to his every word, who he kind of
• 19:02
  unleashes on people. It was, it was unbelievably
• 19:05
  brazen in its misogyny, in its racism, in its anti-Semitism.
• 19:10
  It was some of the most vile stuff I've seen in a long time.
• 19:13
  And it was relentless and has carried on and targeting me,
• 19:16
  targeting members of my family, whatever, I don't care.
• 19:18
  I'm used to it. I've had a lot worse actually
• 19:20
  than this. They remind me of a bunch of
• 19:22
  mean boys at school. And you know, obviously I'm 60
• 19:25
  years old. It's not going to wash the
• 19:26
  sides. Because your wives, however, it
• 19:28
  was not to. Me that they were almost to a
• 19:32
  man young male misogynist, racist and anti-Semitic and view
• 19:37
  everything he says as sacrosanct.
• 19:39
  You know this is a kind of brainwashed world.
• 19:41
  The only question I don't know is how much of them are genuine
• 19:45
  human beings and how much maybe as it's been reported today in
• 19:48
  the New York Post, foreign bots that are unleashed because they
• 19:52
  analyze the speed of reaction to stuff that he posts and they've
• 19:55
  they've worked out a lot of it comes from over.
• 19:58
  We're going to debunk this real quick.
• 20:00
  Nick already debunked it, but. They're saying because a lot of
• 20:03
  people retweet and like Nick's posts pretty fast that it's most
• 20:07
  likely bots. Have you guys ever factored in
• 20:10
  that he just has a loyal fan base that people like me and
• 20:14
  other people have his notifications on?
• 20:16
  And unlike people like Elon or Caroline Levitt or things like
• 20:21
  that, like he only tweets like one to three times a day.
• 20:25
  So it's not like you got to be on your phone 24 fucking 7 to
• 20:28
  see it. It's just ridiculous he has a
• 20:32
  loyal fan base. Like I'm one of the people who
• 20:34
  has his notifications on you know I instantly will like the
• 20:38
  post or retweet it depending on what it is.
• 20:42
  And they just think we're bot farms.
• 20:44
  No you guys are just dinosaurs who don't understand social
• 20:47
  media. This is why boomers are relevant
• 20:49
  because they're they're this retarded.
• 20:51
  This is 2 boomers having a fucking circle jerk.
• 20:54
  The seas and a lot of it may be bots.
• 20:55
  You know, actual robots doing the stuff.
• 20:58
  You know these bot farms, now there was a time when people
• 21:01
  would use these bots and they would deploy them by the
• 21:04
  hundreds. But now our research shows that
• 21:07
  these bot farms, a lot of them out of Russia and some other
• 21:11
  foreign countries are deployed in the 10s of thousands.
• 21:16
  And what happens is they start kind of a zeitgeist on the
• 21:19
  Internet and then others, real people see that, then they start
• 21:22
  jumping on the bandwagon. And so it can drive a social
• 21:26
  media kind of think a certain can drive social media to appear
• 21:33
  that it's thinking a certain. Last time, I'm not the last time
• 21:36
  I paused the whole thing, but for a little bit Elon literally
• 21:41
  cleansed most of the bots off of X, and obviously there's still
• 21:44
  some. You can't get rid of all of
• 21:46
  them, but he cleansed almost all the bots off of X but somehow
• 21:50
  the gripers are just the last remaining bots on X.
• 21:52
  Like do do you guys see the holes in your fucking logic?
• 21:55
  And also Elon is constantly targeting Nick, calling him a
• 21:58
  fed, saying these things about him.
• 22:01
  Don't you think that if Elon had proof that Nick was botting all
• 22:04
  of his posts that Elon would have released it by now?
• 22:08
  Just retarded. Pierce is a fucking idiot
• 22:10
  sometimes. Certain way, but I'm sure in the
• 22:13
  middle of that he has followers that do echo what he's saying.
• 22:18
  And it's whiny, it's immature, it's insecure, it's highly
• 22:21
  transparent. And you wonder what's going to
• 22:23
  happen to these young men if somebody doesn't force them into
• 22:26
  some critical thinking where they say, listen, what's the end
• 22:29
  result here? Where does this lead me in my
• 22:30
  life? As opposed to opening themselves
• 22:33
  up to some real interaction and some real, you know, critical
• 22:37
  thinking where they say, what do I want?
• 22:40
  What, what's my goal in life? Do I want to have a family?
• 22:42
  Do I want to have children? Do I want to have a, a
• 22:45
  meaningful career where I can fit into a fully functional
• 22:48
  society? And, and if they stay on this
• 22:50
  path, they're going to be lonely, depressed, anxious,
• 22:54
  inadequate, with a false sense of superiority that is very,
• 22:57
  very empty, very, very meaningless.
• 23:00
  And I, and I hate that. I hate that for these young men
• 23:02
  because he is misleading them. He's not empowering them.
• 23:05
  He is misleading them. Yeah, you know, I totally agree.
• 23:08
  I've got three sons of 322825 and I'd be horrified if they
• 23:13
  behave like that. Horrified if they have those
• 23:15
  attitudes and views were dressed.
• 23:17
  Horrified if they were so dismissive for things like the
• 23:19
  Holocaust, you know, horrified if they spoke about.
• 23:22
  What? He said.
• 23:22
  He's a man horrified. If they were brazenly admitting
• 23:24
  to being racists and openly admitted they'd avoid black
• 23:28
  people in case they get attacked and so on, all of it was
• 23:30
  actually quite disturbing. Why is that bad?
• 23:32
  That's just good pattern recognition.
• 23:33
  So you want people to have more critical thinking skills but you
• 23:37
  don't want them to have pattern recognition?
• 23:39
  Got it. You guys are just retarded.
• 23:42
  Well, it isn't but think about these all of these young men
• 23:45
  that are seemingly ascribing to his mindset.
• 23:48
  Think about what they're being cheated out of.
• 23:51
  Think about all the joy and and pleasure and and fulfillment
• 23:56
  that they're actually getting cheated out of if they stay this
• 23:59
  course. I mean, think about all the joy
• 24:00
  you've had with with with your kids, all of the rich
• 24:03
  relationships you have with female colleagues that would be
• 24:07
  off the table. Think about everything that's
• 24:10
  missed and when your heart is filled with hatred and this
• 24:14
  anti-Semitism and how much you're out of touch with reality
• 24:18
  in denying the Holocaust. And you got him to agree that
• 24:22
  actually the Holocaust was real and that he said even more than
• 24:25
  6 million people and there were much more than 6 million people
• 24:28
  because it wasn't just the Jews that were impacted.
• 24:32
  And you got him to acknowledge some of those things.
• 24:35
  And I wonder how he'll. You don't realize he's trolling.
• 24:38
  They they sorry I'm sick they do not realize that Nick spent two
• 24:43
  hours trolling him. It's so funny because this is
• 24:45
  just boomer retards trying to break down the zoomer mentality.
• 24:49
  We're just so much smarter than you guys.
• 24:51
  You guys are dumb as shit. Square that up with his
• 24:54
  followers based on what he said in the past.
• 24:56
  But I think he has convinced himself that some of this is
• 24:59
  real and and that's just, that's a sad fact.
• 25:02
  Yeah, Doctor Phil, as always on the money.
• 25:04
  Thank you very much indeed. Well, thank you for doing this
• 25:07
  interview because as I say, if you don't, then, and I think it
• 25:11
  takes, I think it takes you to drill in on this and ask some of
• 25:15
  the uncomfortable questions. If not, then he runs unabated on
• 25:19
  the Internet. I can't believe people are
• 25:20
  saying why are you giving him a platform?
• 25:21
  Because he needs to be asked the hard questions.
• 25:24
  I I agree, I feel the same about Andrew Tate and these other
• 25:26
  characters. They have huge online
• 25:27
  followings. They are very influential.
• 25:29
  You can pretend they're not. You can put your head in the
• 25:31
  sand and let them go ever bigger without anything being
• 25:33
  challenged or you take your view as I do.
• 25:36
  It's better to get them in front of you.
• 25:37
  Ask them a lot of tough questions about their views and
• 25:39
  what they've said and let people make their own minds up about
• 25:41
  whether they really want to, you know, lasso themselves to this,
• 25:44
  to this person. Phil, thank you.
• 25:46
  Appreciate it. Well done, Pierce.
• 25:48
  We'll talk soon. Thank you very much.
• 25:49
  We'll meet on the panel now. Warren Smith.
• 25:51
  Critical thinker, founder of the Secret Scholar Society, Andrew
• 25:53
  Wilson, host of The Crucible, Marla Mont Hill, host of Bet
• 25:55
  News, and influencer Harry Sisson.
• 25:58
  And also joining us a little later will be Glenn Greenwald.
• 26:00
  All right, Harry Sisson, we're in the unique position, I
• 26:02
  believe. Well, you and I may have a a
• 26:05
  slight agreement here about all this.
• 26:07
  So what was your view of the four inches?
• 26:08
  Here. You know, Piers.
• 26:10
  I don't think it's a slight agreement, I think it's a full
• 26:12
  agreement. First and foremost.
• 26:13
  I do want to start off by saying I thought the way that you
• 26:15
  conducted the interview was fantastic.
• 26:17
  I watched the entire thing and you, you I think, were the only
• 26:20
  interviewer so far to really hold Nick Fuentes accountable
• 26:22
  and not let him get away with a lot of his hateful views.
• 26:24
  I love how you played the clip side by side and made him defend
• 26:26
  it on the record. So I want to give props to you
• 26:28
  there. I thought it was really well
• 26:29
  done and I watched the entire thing and I was trying to decide
• 26:33
  similar to you, does Nick Fuentes actually believe these
• 26:34
  things or is he doing it for the money?
• 26:36
  Is it performative? And I, I might disagree slightly
• 26:38
  with you. I, I think it's both.
• 26:39
  I think he does believe some of these things and I think some of
• 26:41
  it's performative. I think when he tried to
• 26:43
  moderate himself, that's performative.
• 26:45
  But the, the more hateful views that, as you mentioned, when the
• 26:47
  mask kind of slipped, that's what he truly believes.
• 26:49
  You could tell that he was trying to moderate himself when,
• 26:51
  as you were talking about with Doctor Phil talking about the
• 26:52
  Holocaust, he said, Oh, I believe it was a Holocaust, you
• 26:54
  know, at least 6,000,000 Jews. He said that, but then
• 26:56
  simultaneously claimed that Hitler is cool and then he liked
• 26:58
  his uniforms and the music and things like that.
• 26:59
  So I mean, I, you know, I think that Nick Fuentes broadly is a
• 27:02
  sad, insecure man. I think he's a liar.
• 27:04
  I think he's a grifter. And I think you exposed that in
• 27:06
  the interview. Andrew Wilson, what did you
• 27:08
  think? Well.
• 27:11
  Harry Sisson calling Nick Fuentes a grifter is crazy.
• 27:15
  I mean, Harry's one of the biggest grifters in retards and
• 27:17
  bitches in media right now. Harry Sisson's an absolute
• 27:21
  pussy. I was just watching your
• 27:25
  previous segment and I thought that the framing there was a
• 27:27
  little off. So I've always appreciated
• 27:29
  coming on the show and letting me get my viewpoints out.
• 27:31
  But I do take some issue with with your framing.
• 27:34
  You did bring up the guy's dad and you said his name.
• 27:37
  And when you said it on the air that way, this is a person who
• 27:40
  has had people attempt to assassinate him.
• 27:42
  They have come to his house, shown up at his door and tried
• 27:44
  to kill him. And that's on video happening.
• 27:47
  And so when you when you say that, when you said the guy's
• 27:49
  name and then try to tie it into racism, I didn't know that you
• 27:52
  know this, Pierce, but the left broadly will do these harassment
• 27:55
  campaigns. These harassment campaigns are
• 27:57
  designed specifically to incite the violence of their of many of
• 27:59
  their mentally. Ill you know Andrew, let me just
• 28:00
  say that's what they do. Yeah, let me just say I if I had
• 28:02
  my time again, I wouldn't have said his father's name, but I
• 28:05
  would have still told the anecdote because it I thought it
• 28:07
  was really important to Nick for the.
• 28:09
  Anecdote's not the relevant part.
• 28:10
  Well, well, but the anecdote is relevant.
• 28:12
  The anecdote is relevant when he immediately tried to to attack
• 28:14
  me for ambushing him with a story that he told himself on
• 28:17
  his show. I mean look, if I told a story
• 28:19
  like. That's not what people are upset
• 28:20
  about, no. No, I understand.
• 28:21
  That they weren't upset about the anecdote, they were upset
• 28:22
  that you specifically said the guy's name when this has had
• 28:25
  these assassination attempts on him.
• 28:27
  To be to be clear, I, if I had my time again, wouldn't have
• 28:30
  said his father's name, notwithstanding the fact you can
• 28:32
  find it in two seconds on the Internet, right?
• 28:34
  So it's not like it's not difficult to fine, but I do
• 28:36
  think it's important that that anecdote to me was potentially
• 28:39
  very relevant to why Nick Fuentes is the way he is.
• 28:42
  Yeah but now how many people have seen the other interview?
• 28:45
  Like 5,000,005 million people now know his father's name who
• 28:49
  shouldn't have known it in the first place.
• 28:51
  Like I mean just dismissing that point completely but sucking off
• 28:55
  Doctor Phil 5 minutes ago just shows how disingenuous and
• 28:58
  stupid you are. Peers.
• 28:59
  About racism, for example, because he was telling a story
• 29:02
  that cannot be construed, Andrew any other way than his father
• 29:05
  was directing them away from restaurants because of his
• 29:08
  racist views about the people that go in them or run them and
• 29:11
  it couldn't be seen. Any other way, I get that I
• 29:13
  listen, I get, I get the, the point of bringing the anecdote
• 29:16
  up, but that wasn't what looked to me like what what was making
• 29:19
  these guys so angry was not the anecdote itself, but the fact
• 29:22
  that you said the guy's name, referenced it as his dad.
• 29:25
  And then, you know this, this guy's I.
• 29:26
  Actually think both are bad. Had assassination.
• 29:29
  Attempt. Yeah, but the story.
• 29:30
  The story. Was him telling the story by the
• 29:31
  way. By the way, hang on.
• 29:31
  A lot of the the first assassination attempt happened
• 29:34
  because of the Your Body My choice thing that he put that
• 29:36
  tweet out and people began doxing his address and his
• 29:39
  family's name, and that's why they showed up to kill him.
• 29:41
  So the guy's grievance there I think is legitimate.
• 29:43
  Yeah, but I think it's important that his grievance wasn't just
• 29:46
  that I named his father, which again, is a matter of public
• 29:49
  record. You can find it anywhere,
• 29:50
  although I wouldn't have said it if I had my time, again, because
• 29:52
  I don't want to attack his family for the sake of attacking
• 29:54
  his family. It was when he tried to frame it
• 29:57
  as an unfair attack on his family, when I think actually
• 29:59
  the story that he himself put in the public domain was
• 30:02
  potentially very relevant to why he is the way he is.
• 30:04
  I I as a journalist. How he was framing it was you're
• 30:06
  trying, you're, you're bringing this up in name doxing
• 30:09
  specifically so that you can rally people into a harassment
• 30:13
  campaign. That's how he saw.
• 30:14
  No, but that wasn't. Yeah, OK.
• 30:15
  But just to be clear, again, that was not my intention.
• 30:17
  My intention was to ask him in all sincerity, if you grow up in
• 30:20
  an environment at home where there is clear racism that you
• 30:23
  have discussed yourself on your own show, very like an argument.
• 30:27
  You can't listen to the clip. We, I played it earlier without
• 30:29
  realizing that's what he's saying.
• 30:31
  Then, you know, is that relevant to the way he is bringing Martin
• 30:33
  Hill here? I mean, Mark, you know, I didn't
• 30:35
  do that lightly. I had decided before I did the
• 30:38
  interview that AI would do a lot of research into this.
• 30:41
  I would find all the clips that I felt were the most incendiary
• 30:44
  things he'd said on the record. And I would ask him and push him
• 30:46
  about them in a way that I don't think anyone else has really
• 30:48
  done. And it would be interesting to
• 30:49
  see the way he responded. And, you know, if you're going
• 30:51
  to talk to Nick Fuentes, who openly admits to being a racist,
• 30:53
  he did it again with me in the show, that that anecdote to me
• 30:56
  was pertinent to why he may have shaped those views.
• 31:00
  What do you think? Was it unfair?
• 31:03
  I, I think the anecdote was entirely fair and necessary,
• 31:06
  particularly since, you know, the 1st part of the interview
• 31:09
  was very much about his biography.
• 31:10
  It was very much about what shaped him.
• 31:11
  He himself volunteered information even in that
• 31:13
  interview about his parents, about how they came together,
• 31:16
  about, you know, the loss of their fathers, etcetera.
• 31:18
  All that to me is fair game. I agree that the invoking his
• 31:21
  father's name in that moment was too far.
• 31:24
  I hear you saying you if you could do it again, you wouldn't
• 31:26
  because I do. I do have some ethical and moral
• 31:28
  reservations about doxing. I don't think it's wrong, for
• 31:30
  example, if someone does something awful in public and
• 31:33
  it's relevant to the public interest to track their down
• 31:35
  their job and notify their job. But that's not the same thing as
• 31:37
  tracking down every private citizen just because we think
• 31:39
  they're racist or sexist or anti-Semitic or homophobic.
• 31:42
  I may think you're that thing, but you have a right to be that
• 31:43
  thing. Even though I think it's awful
• 31:45
  and I don't think you should be. I don't think you live without
• 31:47
  safety because of that. Now, there's a bigger question,
• 31:49
  Pierce, that you raised at the top of the interview and it's
• 31:52
  come up again in the media, and that is, should you even be
• 31:55
  talking to this guy? And I got to be honest with you,
• 31:56
  Pierce, I've struggled with this.
• 31:58
  I interview controversial people.
• 32:00
  I sit down with people who people say don't platform them.
• 32:02
  And I take seriously your point that they already have a
• 32:04
  platform and I'm not making them big.
• 32:06
  I'm not drawing attention to them.
• 32:07
  They already have the attention. They're just not being
• 32:08
  questioned or challenged on that platform.
• 32:10
  I can see that point. I agree with you fully.
• 32:12
  The problem with this guy, the problem with Nick Wintex in
• 32:14
  particular though, to me is he's such a chameleon and he moves in
• 32:17
  such a way that I'm not sure holding him accountable matters
• 32:19
  to his base. And he does just enough to look
• 32:21
  moderate and normal and, and, and reasonable that I think
• 32:24
  he'll do that. He'll do more damage by sneaking
• 32:26
  some people from from the middle and dragging them to his side
• 32:28
  because they think he's reasonable and only later find
• 32:30
  out that he's a sexist, misogynist, Hitler loving Nazi
• 32:32
  right or whatever. He is right That that's where
• 32:35
  the danger comes from me. I'm not saying we should
• 32:36
  interview controversial people. I'm just saying this particular
• 32:38
  guy, I feel like we're playing into his interest and his angle.
• 32:40
  Yeah. Well, Glenn Greenwald, welcome
• 32:42
  back to Unsensored. You've had pointers on your
• 32:44
  show. What's your view about that
• 32:45
  issue about platforming him at all?
• 32:49
  Oh, I don't even, I didn't even consider it to be a difficult
• 32:51
  question at all. I mean, if you're going to have
• 32:52
  people on who are responsible for the invasion and destruction
• 32:55
  of Iraq based on lies or the incineration of Vietnam or the
• 32:57
  destruction of Gaza and the deaths of 10s of thousands of
• 33:00
  people and welcome them and treat them like respectable
• 33:02
  people, tell me what it is that Nick Fuentes has done remotely
• 33:05
  as bad as that, that justifies allowing them to come on and
• 33:07
  speak, But not him. And whether you like it or not,
• 33:09
  he does speak for a huge number of people in his generation.
• 33:12
  Did anyone see Harry have that big gulp right there once he
• 33:15
  said that? Harry's just not blobbing his
• 33:18
  head like he's sucking a Dick. Like what the fuck is this
• 33:21
  panel? This is insane.
• 33:22
  This is a retarded panel. And even other generations as
• 33:25
  well who feel the same kind of anger and frustration with the
• 33:29
  status quo, with the establishment, with the kind of
• 33:31
  dogma that we've been told we have to accept.
• 33:33
  And there's a lot of people who are angry about it and who are
• 33:35
  bell against it. And we saw this with Donald
• 33:37
  Trump on maybe a little bit of a smaller scale, but very much the
• 33:39
  same pattern. When Donald Trump appeared,
• 33:40
  everybody was like, oh, he's racist and fascist and he's been
• 33:43
  misogynist and he's this and that.
• 33:44
  And no one wanted to grapple with the reason why his message
• 33:46
  was resonating so much. And to me, it very is very
• 33:48
  similar to Nick Fontes. Say what you want about him,
• 33:51
  he's extremely smart, an incredibly talented communicator
• 33:53
  and very well read. Like he's very informed.
• 33:55
  He's not just some sensationalist babbling on the
• 33:58
  on the Internet. And I think the reason he has
• 33:59
  attracted a lot of attention is because he's speaking to the
• 34:02
  anger and frustration, a lot of which is valid of a lot of
• 34:04
  people. And to stick your head in the
• 34:06
  sand and say, oh, we're going to pretend that this isn't
• 34:08
  happening because his views are too off.
• 34:10
  But the people who start wars, who are responsible for the 2008
• 34:13
  financial crisis, these are respectable people who we treat
• 34:15
  with with respect, like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton,
• 34:17
  whoever. That, to me, is the kind of
• 34:19
  thing that I think is really distorted.
• 34:21
  Yeah, you know, I, I Warren Smith, I'll bring up I'll bring
• 34:24
  in Warren Smith 1st and then I'll come back to you more in a
• 34:26
  Warren That really is my is my feeling about it is that you can
• 34:29
  let these guys like Fuentes and Andrew Tate run riot and and
• 34:34
  they do already and they have massive followings, millions and
• 34:36
  millions of young men. I know one interview Tate, the
• 34:38
  number of young men who just came up to me in the street to
• 34:40
  ask about it is off the charts more than almost any other guest
• 34:42
  I've ever had. So we can either pretend this
• 34:44
  phenomenon isn't happening and fluentes is a phenomenon whether
• 34:47
  people like it or not. And I don't you know, I don't
• 34:49
  hate everything about him. There were.
• 34:51
  He's been going on for 10 fucking years now and it's just
• 34:54
  getting started. You guys wait.
• 34:57
  Elements of that interview where it was a genuinely quite
• 34:59
  interesting conversation, but there were elements which either
• 35:02
  because he wanted to be performative and shocking and
• 35:04
  attention seeking, whatever it may be, or because he really
• 35:06
  believes it, where I felt we saw a pretty dark underbelly of some
• 35:10
  of his beliefs. You know, I mean, just when
• 35:11
  somebody just says I am a racist and then explains, yeah, well,
• 35:14
  this is let me play the clip first.
• 35:16
  They come to you. You're fine with saying you're a
• 35:19
  racist? Totally.
• 35:20
  I think everybody's racist. I think everybody, if we're
• 35:23
  being honest, is racist. I think everybody the only
• 35:25
  people that aren't racist or or pretend not to be our white
• 35:28
  people to their detriment, everybody else is racist.
• 35:31
  Earlier in the interview, you you went really.
• 35:33
  Nico literally went in the New York City subway tunnels and
• 35:36
  asked people do white lives matter?
• 35:38
  And the majority of the black people were like, no they don't,
• 35:41
  I fucking hate white people, is what they said.
• 35:44
  But Piers doesn't want to acknowledge that because they're
• 35:46
  black. You got aggrieved that the idea
• 35:48
  that your father was a racist, You, you wanted to make him.
• 35:51
  Yeah. Because my father's.
• 35:52
  He's not. Because my father doesn't share
• 35:54
  my same views. On that SO.
• 35:55
  He's the exception to the Everyone's a racist.
• 35:58
  Well, everybody's a little bit racist.
• 36:00
  I mean, I thought it was an interesting contradiction there,
• 36:02
  which he was probably calculating in real time that
• 36:04
  having got so exercised about the idea that his father was
• 36:06
  racist, he then said everyone's racist and there's nothing wrong
• 36:08
  with it effectively. But putting that to one side,
• 36:10
  Warren, I mean, you know, this this issue of whether you
• 36:12
  platform somebody like Fuentes who has these inflammatory
• 36:15
  views, I think we can all agree they're inflammatory.
• 36:17
  A lot of his views, you know, is this is am I by doing it?
• 36:21
  Am I continuing to fuel this phenomenon in a way that is a
• 36:25
  negative for society or in a free democratic society, you
• 36:29
  know, should I be entitled to interview who the hell I like as
• 36:30
  long as I do my job as a journalist, of holding him to
• 36:33
  account over these things? That other people work it out
• 36:35
  for themselves. No, I think it's totally
• 36:37
  understandable and I agree that you would have him on.
• 36:40
  I was in the same position where I was genuinely shocked when I
• 36:43
  made a knee jerk response video to something he had said.
• 36:46
  I was overwhelmed by the response.
• 36:47
  I was like, I had no idea there were this many people out there
• 36:51
  that agreed with him and I had people that I knew actually
• 36:53
  telling me, no, you're, you're oversimplifying this.
• 36:55
  And I actually went back and looked at the same clip and
• 36:57
  realized I had oversimplified it.
• 36:59
  There was actually, I was looking at it through the
• 37:01
  narrative, going into it without much prior research.
• 37:03
  And that actually led to me sitting down with him for an
• 37:06
  hour and a half. I think the it's important
• 37:09
  though, if you want to achieve the ideal outcome, it is
• 37:11
  important to actually genuinely be trying to gain a better
• 37:15
  understanding of his reasoning and in his arguments and not
• 37:18
  just trying to win or embarrass. Because at the long run, I think
• 37:21
  that will backfire and that will cause him to become bigger.
• 37:27
  Yeah, that's, I mean, that's an interesting point.
• 37:28
  You know, people were asking me, you know, he won or people said
• 37:31
  you won or I I didn't seek out to win.
• 37:34
  I don't seek out ever to win an interview.
• 37:35
  That's not the point. Nobody said Piers won every like
• 37:38
  good guys. Go look at the comments under
• 37:40
  the video. Go look at the comments.
• 37:42
  There's not a single comment. We even went through the
• 37:44
  comments at the end of the last one.
• 37:46
  There's not a single comment that said you won Piers.
• 37:48
  You did a great job. Not a single comment giving
• 37:51
  Piers any credit. Every one of them was pro Nick.
• 37:54
  Point of an interview, actually, what I wanted to do over 2 hours
• 37:57
  was a, personally get to know him better because I know
• 37:59
  nothing about him other than what I've read.
• 38:01
  I've never met him, I've never interviewed him.
• 38:03
  And B, to go over all these things which he's notorious for
• 38:05
  and as to work out the correct context, what he really
• 38:08
  believes, what may have motivated this and so on.
• 38:10
  And I think a lot of that was achieved in the interview, but
• 38:13
  it wasn't, you know, I think it very quickly afterwards, you
• 38:16
  know, when I asked him during the interview, you know, how he
• 38:18
  felt towards the end, how he felt at the gun, he thought I'd
• 38:20
  been fair. He didn't think I'd ambushed him
• 38:22
  and so on. He made that clear in the
• 38:24
  interview. And yet afterwards, almost
• 38:26
  immediately afterward, he comes out full bore on the attack,
• 38:28
  which is what he does. But it was interesting to me
• 38:30
  that was the reaction from his sort of mob of gropers was
• 38:33
  instantaneous and, and, and extraordinarily widespread.
• 38:37
  They just come as this mob and it's very and it's, you know, if
• 38:39
  you're not me who's got a very thick skin, it's a, it's a
• 38:42
  pretty hard thing to to to get back at you.
• 38:44
  Look, I don't care. I've had I've had a lot worse
• 38:47
  and they'll move on and that's what happens.
• 38:49
  But if you're, if you're not actually, it can be very
• 38:51
  intimidating. It's very threatening, very
• 38:54
  racist, very anti-Semitic, very, very nasty.
• 38:57
  Actually, like I said, it didn't it didn't you know, it wouldn't
• 38:59
  scrape the surface with me because I got a skin of 1000
• 39:02
  rhinos. But to other people, I can see
• 39:03
  it really being a pretty terrifying experience.
• 39:07
  Hey, Peter, can I ask a question about that?
• 39:08
  Yeah. Sorry, they're doing that.
• 39:10
  They're doing that too. Sorry, we're all doing blingo.
• 39:13
  Blingo first, yeah. I yeah, don't we enjoy Just a
• 39:15
  second. Hang on.
• 39:16
  Hang on guys, don't talk about. So let me start with Glen.
• 39:19
  Thanks, Mark. I'm sorry to interrupt.
• 39:20
  The black guy can't help himself from just jumping in and
• 39:22
  interrupting. Proving Nick Wright.
• 39:25
  Prove Nick During the interview when Pierce kept interrupting,
• 39:28
  he's like, are you black? And this black guy, the only
• 39:31
  black guy in the panel, is proving Nick Wright.
• 39:34
  But the the issue is why does he have such a loyal following?
• 39:37
  Why does he have to have a large loyal following?
• 39:39
  Now, you can ask that question about Donald Trump.
• 39:41
  And a lot of people were satisfied by saying, oh, every
• 39:43
  America's just filled with racist and, and, and misogynist
• 39:45
  and xenophobes. And he's playing into that.
• 39:47
  And maybe that is part of it. You know, politicians do
• 39:48
  demagogue and play to our worst instincts always.
• 39:50
  But there was a lot more to it than that.
• 39:52
  And I think people understand 10 years later that there isn't and
• 39:54
  was a lot more to that. So you can say, Oh, yeah, Nick
• 39:56
  Fontes has this army of angry young men who are incredibly
• 40:00
  devoted to him, who believe that he's speaking truth uniquely
• 40:03
  because they're also a bunch of Nazis and racist and Jew haters
• 40:05
  and OK. Easy.
• 40:07
  I think there's a lot more to it and I think people ought to
• 40:08
  grapple with the the reason why he's speaking for someone.
• 40:10
  No, I think that's a very valid point.
• 40:11
  You know, I've always said about Andrew Tate, for example, that,
• 40:14
  you know, a lot of the things he says, I can understand if you're
• 40:16
  a young, slightly disenfranchised young man, you
• 40:17
  feel society has got it in for you and all you ever hear is man
• 40:20
  bashing. I can understand why you
• 40:22
  gravitate to a guy like Tate who stands there tall and proud as a
• 40:25
  very masculine kind of guy, beating his chest, talking
• 40:27
  about, you know, taking care of your body and getting fit and
• 40:30
  being a protector and all these things.
• 40:31
  I get all that. And then he slides into brazen
• 40:34
  misogyny, which I hate. Martin, let me bring bring you
• 40:37
  in here. I mean, I just want to before
• 40:38
  you say what you want to say. What he said after the interview
• 40:41
  Nick went to was Piers Morgan tried his best, but his hardball
• 40:43
  interrogation made me look even better than Tucker's wildly
• 40:46
  criticized softball interview. The regime can acquiesce like
• 40:49
  Tucker, or it can try to resist like Piers, but the result is
• 40:52
  inevitably the same. Total Gruyper victory.
• 40:55
  Now, look, you know, 1 little. I admire his social media work,
• 40:58
  right? He goes on the attack, he gives
• 40:59
  it full bells. He claims total victory.
• 41:01
  It's very Trumpian, and it can work.
• 41:03
  It can be very effective. OK, and he's perfectly entitled
• 41:06
  to claim total victory and whatever and I'm sure all his
• 41:07
  supporters agree. But it's interesting that he
• 41:10
  views me and Tucker Carlson and other people who now do our own
• 41:12
  shows whatever as the the regime, almost like anybody
• 41:16
  who's older than him is part of some onsion regime that just
• 41:19
  doesn't get it. And all his supporters call me
• 41:21
  Boomer, right? And I was like, I've been called
• 41:23
  that probably ever, OK, I'm a boomer.
• 41:25
  I don't know what that means, but it just means that an old
• 41:28
  dude doesn't get it right. And it may be, as Glenn says,
• 41:30
  there is a more interesting conversation to be had about why
• 41:33
  these guys get so popular. And it may be that when I do my
• 41:36
  old, my slightly old school journalistic trick, as somebody
• 41:39
  put it, of just being quite tough and rigorously questioning
• 41:41
  that it's viewed by young people who gravitate to people like
• 41:44
  these guys as just an old boomer going through the motions.
• 41:47
  No, it's not. It's that you don't understand.
• 41:50
  When you were growing up a house was 30 fucking $1000 and two
• 41:55
  chickens. When you were growing up there
• 41:57
  weren't women fucking 1000 guys a day and going on only fans
• 42:02
  when they were 18. Although I know your wife is a
• 42:05
  whore peers. But you don't understand the
• 42:08
  world people live in today. You don't understand any of it.
• 42:11
  And it's so fucking clear when you talk about it right now.
• 42:14
  It is so fucking clear that you don't understand any of it.
• 42:17
  And your conversation with Doctor Phil was absolutely
• 42:20
  insane. Perhaps.
• 42:23
  I mean, and also, I wouldn't assume that because he said
• 42:26
  that, that he believes it. He actually believes you're part
• 42:28
  of the regime or that he believes that when is is
• 42:31
  softball or hardball. He gives a lot of the
• 42:33
  characteristics, mannerisms, approaches, styles of a cult
• 42:36
  leader and cult leaders navigate their their followers in very
• 42:39
  particular ways and including renarrating or counter narrating
• 42:42
  events that happen in ways that are favorable to them.
• 42:45
  That's why when I said I struggle with whether or not you
• 42:48
  should have him on the show, I didn't say you shouldn't and I
• 42:49
  didn't say you should. I genuine.
• 42:50
  It's a struggle for me. Again, as a journalist, I have
• 42:52
  interviewed death spots. I have killers, you know,
• 42:55
  people, I mean genocide leaders. I've done it all.
• 42:57
  And there are days where it feels very clear and obvious why
• 42:59
  I should do it. They need to be held
• 43:01
  accountable. They need to be forced to answer
• 43:02
  tough questions. And I don't put them in a quick,
• 43:04
  contrary to what was said, I don't hold them in a different
• 43:06
  box than I do Hillary Clinton. The fact that he puts Nick
• 43:09
  Fuentes in the same category as like people who've committed
• 43:12
  genocides and war crimes, Like, what the fuck?
• 43:16
  Like, this is insane. This is literally insane.
• 43:19
  Joe Biden or someone who I voted for, you know, potentially,
• 43:21
  right? They all need to be held to
• 43:23
  scrutiny. Everybody in power needs to be
• 43:24
  held accountable. I'm with that.
• 43:26
  My concern in this particular case, though, is that I'm not
• 43:29
  sure what the net gain is. I don't know if you really got
• 43:32
  to know it better him not because you didn't do a great
• 43:33
  job, you didn't do a great job, but because I'm not sure who the
• 43:36
  person is behind that persona. And the question I would ask
• 43:38
  you, Piers, is if you knew ahead of time that doing this
• 43:41
  interview would double the amount of people who believed in
• 43:44
  the worst things that he believes, would you still do the
• 43:46
  interview? We don't think, we just don't do
• 43:48
  it. Well, I don't think that that is
• 43:49
  going to be a consequence of it, honestly.
• 43:51
  But what I do, what I do think is that, but I don't work.
• 43:54
  But let me, let me make my point.
• 43:56
  I, I don't like generalising. You know, when, when Hillary
• 43:58
  Clinton called Donald Trump supporters, the MAGA supporters
• 44:00
  of basket of deplorables, it probably lost on that election.
• 44:02
  When you generalise about millions and millions of people,
• 44:04
  it's always a very precarious and stupid folly to do that.
• 44:07
  What I can say with agreed, but what I can say with some
• 44:10
  certainty is that pretty well 100% of his gripers who've
• 44:13
  directly messaged me or members of my family have been highly
• 44:16
  abusive, overtly racist, very misogynist, and many of them
• 44:20
  anti submitting. I can say that with certainty.
• 44:22
  Now, what I don't know is how many of those are human beings
• 44:25
  and how many are from a bot farm because according to reports in
• 44:27
  the last two days, a lot of his stuff comes from bot farms.
• 44:29
  I don't know that's true, but that's been reported in various
• 44:31
  mainstream papers and and I don't and I don't know what how
• 44:34
  representative these ones on X or Instagram are of the total
• 44:38
  body of his support. I just don't know.
• 44:40
  So, you know, I don't, I don't want to generalize.
• 44:41
  And say neither do I appear I. Don't want to say all Nick
• 44:43
  Fauenti's supporters are disgusting because there may be
• 44:45
  a lot of people. It's a bit like Tommy.
• 44:46
  Robinson And to be clear my point, I'm not saying that the
• 44:49
  black guy is still the only one interrupting.
• 44:51
  It's hilarious. Finish my point.
• 44:53
  It's a bit like Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson in the UK, right?
• 44:56
  Is is a bit like Fauenti's over here.
• 44:58
  And there's no doubt as the people marching with him have
• 45:01
  grown bigger and bigger and bigger, the idea that they're
• 45:03
  all fascist, racist, whatever, whatever is nonsense.
• 45:06
  A lot of people are marching for well-intentioned reasons
• 45:08
  connected with the immigration crisis in the UK, right?
• 45:11
  He has bad people as well, and I think he's a malevolent
• 45:13
  character. But again, I wouldn't generalize
• 45:15
  any more about all these people that March.
• 45:17
  Can I ask you a question, Pierce?
• 45:18
  Yes, yeah, sure. I would like to dive into.
• 45:20
  Generalize well. Have a Landry coming.
• 45:23
  That Landry coming. Can this guy stop fucking
• 45:25
  interrupting? The interview where you were
• 45:26
  very combative and you said you haven't even been laid and
• 45:29
  you're a virgin. This, this guy's a, a Roman
• 45:32
  Catholic. Isn't he supposed to be a virgin
• 45:34
  until he's married? Isn't like, isn't, isn't that
• 45:37
  part of your guys's faith to? Be fair to him.
• 45:38
  To be fair to him, that is. I'm, I, I was born up a
• 45:40
  Catholic. I'm not a particularly devout
• 45:42
  Catholic. I disagree with a lot of the
• 45:44
  churches. But you do agree that Catholics
• 45:45
  are supposed to remain chased until marriage?
• 45:47
  Right, the strict interpretation from the Catholic Church about
• 45:50
  that is you should. How come he didn't get,
• 45:52
  shouldn't he get credit for that?
• 45:53
  Like the idea that he's kind of staying, he's staying within his
• 45:56
  religious beliefs. I have no problem but he also.
• 46:00
  Can't get any action. But he also self identifies as
• 46:02
  shut up. Himself.
• 46:03
  You know this guy well, so like here's what Mark just said.
• 46:05
  You see what I mean? Like he can't get any action.
• 46:07
  The guy is rich as shit and he's a good looking guy.
• 46:09
  He could get the action if you wanted it, Mark and by by hang
• 46:14
  on Mark, just like. Harry and the black guy are
• 46:17
  seething down below like Harry's A fucking shaking and this black
• 46:22
  girls you can't get action. Like are you kidding me?
• 46:24
  Have you met the groy pets? They don't fucking shut the fuck
• 46:26
  up that they are actually as funny as it is to watch it
• 46:31
  happen. It's so fucking annoying
• 46:33
  sometimes because some of them don't shut the fuck up like you
• 46:35
  guys are. These guys on the panel are
• 46:38
  retarded. What I'm saying to you though,
• 46:42
  is this is that, yeah, of course he could.
• 46:44
  The The thing is, though, is that if if he's, if you guys are
• 46:46
  saying like he's a, he's a huckster, he's a fraud, isn't
• 46:49
  he? In fact, following rigorously
• 46:51
  his faith by doing that. Well, so my response to that.
• 46:53
  I think it's a very sad. Hang on, hang on, hang on,
• 46:55
  Harry. I think it's a British way.
• 46:56
  Hang on, hang on a minute. I want to respond to Andrew.
• 46:58
  No, it's not. I think it's a perfectly valid
• 46:59
  question, particularly as I have always said, I'm a Catholic.
• 47:02
  I was raised to Catholic. I had spiritual guidance from
• 47:04
  Catholic nuns when I was 12 years old.
• 47:06
  You know, I go to church occasionally.
• 47:07
  I'm not devout, I'm not there all the time.
• 47:08
  I don't agree with some of the Catholic Church's views and
• 47:11
  policies and I wish they would evolve faster.
• 47:13
  However, you know, as speaking Catholic to Catholic with him,
• 47:17
  yes, it's a perfectly valid thing that he could say I am
• 47:20
  saving myself for marriage. But if that's all he said, fine.
• 47:23
  But I would argue that, you know, if you look at him as a
• 47:25
  Christian, for example, how many of his other views are
• 47:28
  compatible with being a Christian?
• 47:30
  Well, his view, his view on the priests over racism is correct.
• 47:32
  Is is is do baiting his overt racism, the despicable way he
• 47:36
  talks about women generally, and so on.
• 47:37
  None of those things are what you would categorize as being a
• 47:39
  good Christian. So I.
• 47:40
  Think you can have dogmatic distinctions with him and that's
• 47:42
  fine within the confines of the faith, But with the points he
• 47:45
  brought up when he said women aren't allowed to be clergy,
• 47:47
  that's true. They're not allowed to be clergy
• 47:48
  by by the Catholic faith. And when he said he's saving
• 47:51
  himself for marriage? But he.
• 47:52
  Also said when he said women, Andrew.
• 47:54
  Hang on Andrew when he said that women shouldn't be allowed to
• 47:56
  vote and should stay at home IE should also have jobs.
• 47:59
  Do you agree? With Catholic, the Catholic
• 48:01
  Church does not have dogmatic teaching on democracy.
• 48:04
  They're not like, oh, democracy is the standard.
• 48:05
  No, I'm asking you, I'm asking you, I'm asking you whether you
• 48:08
  think when he says women shouldn't be allowed to vote and
• 48:10
  should stay at home and not work.
• 48:12
  I think most people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
• 48:14
  I think I would limit suffrage for most people.
• 48:16
  Like our founders did. Would you make this specific to
• 48:18
  women? Would you make it specific to?
• 48:19
  Women. Gender.
• 48:20
  Not specific. Not specific.
• 48:21
  Hang on, let me, let me finish. This matter?
• 48:23
  Why would that matter? I do think if you say I do think
• 48:27
  after they've waged 100 year war women for women's equal rights
• 48:29
  right to remove one of the wrenching build building blocks
• 48:33
  of that which is what the suffragettes fought for the
• 48:34
  right to vote. Feminism was created by a man
• 48:38
  and he was a Jew. Like shut the fuck up.
• 48:42
  I think if you remove. Come on, that whole movement was
• 48:44
  totally astroturf. That's one.
• 48:46
  And. One on the right.
• 48:47
  Out there's a good argument from a Christian perspective to make
• 48:49
  that the husband, the head of the household, should be the one
• 48:51
  voting within his dogma. That would make sense.
• 48:53
  So there is a Christian case that you could make for that,
• 48:56
  that the head of household, the white.
• 48:57
  Harry's face is so smackable. Like I don't encourage violence
• 49:02
  but it's like look at his dumb ass face.
• 49:04
  Look at all Harry's facial expressions he makes.
• 49:07
  He tries so hard to act offended.
• 49:10
  Right now, what goes on in Christian households is that the
• 49:12
  wife is just doubling the vote of the man, right?
• 49:14
  So this is not against the purview of Fuentes, and it
• 49:17
  doesn't even sound particularly misogynistic to me.
• 49:19
  The 19th Amendment, Harry, What's?
• 49:21
  Your response to that? Uncensored.
• 49:23
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• 49:25
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• 49:28
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  peers. There's so much to respond to
• 49:36
  right there. I do want to point out that
• 49:37
  Andrew was talking about, you know, Nick Fuentes is a good
• 49:39
  Christian. He was, he's being celibate
• 49:40
  until marriage because of this reason.
• 49:41
  That's not what he said in the interview when he was going back
• 49:43
  and forth with you on this peers.
• 49:44
  He talked about how women are gross and they get fat and
• 49:46
  they're ugly and he wouldn't give his female friend a tampon
• 49:49
  because they're gross and things like that.
• 49:50
  So Andrew's making an argument for Nick that.
• 49:52
  Aries definitely the guy to carry like 3 tampons in his back
• 49:56
  pocket and just offer them to women constantly.
• 49:59
  And Nick did not make any interview.
• 50:01
  Nick Fuentes is just an open misogynist who has spent far too
• 50:03
  much time in his basement alone, festering online and getting
• 50:06
  involved in his own conspiracy theories that he's creating.
• 50:08
  It is nothing or these in his own words.
• 50:10
  In the interview, he did not present it as a case of him
• 50:13
  being religious and him staying a perfectly religious text.
• 50:16
  Now I have the quote. I have.
• 50:18
  Go watch. Go watch the viral clip.
• 50:20
  Wait, wait, wait. Andrew, go watch the back and
• 50:21
  forth with peers. Go watch, go watch the back and
• 50:24
  forth with peers when he in front of me.
• 50:25
  Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, please be quiet.
• 50:27
  Go watch the back and forth with peers in that specific instance.
• 50:29
  Harry, Harry, why are you a virgin?
• 50:31
  Have you slept with anybody? And yes, go watch the clip.
• 50:34
  Fine. Let the record speak for itself.
• 50:35
  You can go watch the clip if you'd like.
• 50:36
  That's what he said. No, you said he didn't give the
• 50:38
  entire interview. Andrew, can you please be, Can
• 50:39
  you please be quiet? Can you just zip it?
• 50:40
  First, why don't we watch the exchange again and let's.
• 50:43
  Do it. Let's do it.
• 50:44
  Let's do it. Are you actually attracted to
• 50:46
  women? I am attracted to women.
• 50:49
  You're not gay. No.
• 50:51
  But I will say that women are very difficult to be around.
• 50:55
  So. There's that.
• 50:56
  And do you think they should have the right to vote?
• 50:59
  No. I do not.
• 51:00
  No, absolutely not. They should stay at home.
• 51:03
  Well, yeah, absolutely. So basically you're just a
• 51:06
  misogynist old dinosaur, aren't you?
• 51:08
  For a, for a young guy? I mean, I know I'm the boomer, I
• 51:10
  know I'm the boomer here, but actually you're a 27 year old
• 51:13
  dinosaur, aren't you? Aren't you, Nick Fuentes?
• 51:15
  All women, all women are annoying.
• 51:17
  All women grow old. They all get fat, says the guy.
• 51:20
  Have you ever had sex? No, absolutely not.
• 51:23
  Wow, says the guy who's never got laid.
• 51:26
  That's. The thing though, you boomers,
• 51:27
  it's always getting free love. You've never got laid.
• 51:31
  Yeah, we're we are going back to the Stone Age.
• 51:33
  You're absolutely right. This You know, you're talking
• 51:36
  about empathy and your kids are empathetic and they would never
• 51:38
  laugh at a joke about the Holocaust and you're a
• 51:40
  misogynist. You're a simp yourself.
• 51:42
  You're totally hen packed. That's the problem.
• 51:44
  So he doesn't actually there, Andrew, mention the reason that
• 51:48
  you've given. Now in that clip, but he did
• 51:51
  mention that he didn't. So it's supposed to be chased.
• 51:55
  If it's so important. I didn't say it right there.
• 51:57
  Why? Why didn't he say it right
• 51:59
  there? Because he's listening right
• 52:00
  there with women are gross and they get fat and things like
• 52:02
  that. Wait, nobody, if this is so
• 52:04
  important, that's a cherry pick. No, no, Andrew.
• 52:06
  If that's his. Reason his reason doesn't change
• 52:08
  in 5 minutes he doesn't go from oh I'm a Catholic I'm I'm
• 52:11
  staying true my religion 6 reasons women are gross and
• 52:13
  that's why I don't do it. Wait, wait, you just said that?
• 52:15
  It's so clear who actually knows Nick and who doesn't here
• 52:18
  because Harry sees the clips, Harry sees this interview, and
• 52:22
  then Harry's like what a misogynist pig.
• 52:24
  What a piece of shit. Yeah, Oh my Lord, he doesn't
• 52:27
  think women should vote. He's a virgin.
• 52:30
  And then Andrews, just like, dude, he's a Catholic.
• 52:33
  That's part of Catholic teaching.
• 52:35
  And Harry refused to accept that.
• 52:37
  I mean, Nick constantly on a show talks about how he's
• 52:39
  waiting till marriage. Religion is the main reason as
• 52:42
  to why he's celibate. So now he's the main reason 5
• 52:44
  minutes before and then it Fast forward to 5 minutes later.
• 52:46
  The main role. Women are gross.
• 52:47
  Doesn't mean he can't have multiple reasons.
• 52:49
  It's just such an important reason that he didn't bring it
• 52:51
  up again. That makes total sense.
• 52:52
  He just brought up an entirely different reason.
• 52:54
  So that was his first place in his massage.
• 52:55
  That was his first reason because it was the most
• 52:56
  important reason in that interaction.
• 52:58
  He didn't say anything. About why Harry sucks at
• 53:00
  debating. I mean this is the most retarded
• 53:03
  style of debate ever. Religion.
• 53:05
  And if it's his central view, if it's so central to who he is
• 53:08
  that he faces his misogynistic views off of?
• 53:10
  Well, the other thing. The other thing I could jump in.
• 53:11
  The other, the other thing, the other thing we bring.
• 53:13
  Don't crash out like you did on the podcast.
• 53:15
  Now hang on. Let me bring Glenn back in.
• 53:16
  The other argument, which I thought was interesting and I
• 53:18
  thought I missed a bit of a trick here with him, was when he
• 53:20
  was talking about the Holocaust, where people have assumed he's a
• 53:23
  Holocaust denier because of things he said in the past of
• 53:25
  trivializing it and questioning question the number of people
• 53:27
  who've died and so on. He seemed to try and take a more
• 53:30
  moderate position, which was, yes, I believe 6,000,000 Jews
• 53:32
  were killed, maybe more. Whether he meant that or whether
• 53:35
  he was being some sort of satirical, he was satirizing he
• 53:38
  was. Satirizing that, that's.
• 53:39
  What I that's what I now believe was probably happening.
• 53:41
  Yeah. So I I suspect he was.
• 53:43
  Yeah. But regardless, his argument was
• 53:45
  it all happened so long ago. Why did Jews continue talking
• 53:48
  about the Holocaust? We've all moved on.
• 53:50
  They use it all the time as a political weapon and.
• 53:52
  So on, we've literally witnessed the Holocaust.
• 53:54
  We we just witnessed one in Gaza.
• 53:57
  And of course, I suppose the obvious question for him, I went
• 53:59
  and checked afterwards how many times he's talked about, for
• 54:01
  example, on his show, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ,
• 54:03
  which was over 2000 years ago, right?
• 54:05
  He does it all the time. So, you know, if I'd been smart
• 54:08
  in the moment as a fellow Christian, I would say, well,
• 54:09
  hang on, but isn't that exactly what Christians do all the time
• 54:12
  about the crucifixion? What's the difference?
• 54:14
  That sounds like a big about the.
• 54:15
  Crucifixion because it's absolutely central to their to
• 54:17
  their, to their religion. And I think, you know, I do
• 54:20
  think so much of what your interview with Nick Fuentes
• 54:22
  highlighted was extreme generational differences.
• 54:24
  It was sometimes like watching two people speak different
• 54:26
  languages. You know, Piers, you and I are
• 54:27
  kind of the same age or obviously older.
• 54:29
  One can see that. But just a little bit.
• 54:30
  And, you know, for people who were born in like the 60's, the
• 54:33
  Holocaust was just 20 years before World War Two had just
• 54:35
  ended. 20 years before there was a mythology about the United
• 54:38
  States, about our role in the world, about how great of a
• 54:40
  country we were, about all the great things we did about the
• 54:42
  Holocaust, the unique evil. Now it's 75 years ago and people
• 54:46
  who are next generation where Harry's were born in, you know,
• 54:48
  2000 and 2002. And this idea that like, yeah,
• 54:52
  the Holocaust has been weaponized.
• 54:53
  We've been beaten over the head with it for 8 decades.
• 54:55
  We've been forced to spend and pay huge amounts, some money in
• 54:57
  reparation. The fact that I'm not supposed
• 54:59
  to be feel proud of being white and be happy to be white and I
• 55:04
  should feel ashamed to be white because of the Holocaust is what
• 55:07
  drove so many people to be like, OK, who gives a shit at this
• 55:10
  point. That is one major reason beyond
• 55:13
  a few others. But that is one of the major
• 55:15
  reasons where it's like slavery, the Holocaust, all these things
• 55:18
  you're taught it's bad to be white, it's bad to be pro white.
• 55:21
  It's bad for white people to group together and gather
• 55:23
  together and have a shared identity or shared culture.
• 55:28
  That's part of the reason, and none of these people seem to
• 55:30
  understand that. Chins or that slavery is
• 55:33
  sometimes weaponized that way. This is a very common view.
• 55:35
  So I think when he's doing things like making jokes about
• 55:38
  the Holocaust, it's not because he thinks it's funny that huge
• 55:40
  numbers of people were exterminated.
• 55:41
  I think it's a way of purposely being transgressive about
• 55:44
  orthodoxies and pieties that a lot of people in his generation
• 55:47
  don't. Accept But there was a but,
• 55:48
  yeah, but a Glenn Glenn. Glenn Glenn.
• 55:52
  There was a callousness to it, and I'll tell you why.
• 55:54
  I brought on a guy called Danny Finkelstein.
• 55:55
  He's a. What is surprised that Harry
• 55:58
  doesn't think World War 2 is cool?
• 56:00
  Top journalist for the Times newspaper over here who wrote a
• 56:02
  very powerful book about. He brought the guy who's like me
• 56:04
  mom is boot leather, me me me mom is soaked, me dad is a shoe.
• 56:09
  It's like, dude, shut the fuck up.
• 56:11
  Nobody cares at this point. Family and their horrendous
• 56:14
  experience at the hands of Hitler and Stalin and it's
• 56:16
  incredibly powerful, it's very moving, it's informed his life
• 56:20
  and I'm going to talk to Danny actually after we finish this
• 56:22
  because he's been on the receiving end of the most
• 56:23
  appalling abuse in the last 48 hours, all directed by Nick
• 56:27
  Fuentes who was so dismissive of him, so dismissive of him.
• 56:30
  Talking about his mother and shit though.
• 56:32
  So just callous in the way he responded.
• 56:34
  It's that kind of utter devoidness of of any empathy
• 56:37
  whatsoever. You can have a view that we
• 56:39
  should try and move on generationally from these
• 56:41
  seismic moments, OK? But you don't have to be so
• 56:44
  callous towards somebody whose family literally got murdered by
• 56:47
  people like Hitler and Stalin, do we?
• 56:48
  I mean. The idea here, I think The thing
• 56:52
  is like this generation of people grew up in the wake of
• 56:54
  the Iraq war, in the wake of endless war, in the wake of the
• 56:57
  destruction of their financial security, with the 2008
• 56:59
  financial crisis, with all the lives of COVID and Russia Gate
• 57:01
  and all the rest. Of it and.
• 57:02
  Faith and trust in these institutions have collapsed, so
• 57:05
  when they look at people who represent institutional.
• 57:07
  Glenn is actually giving some good input and then Harry's a
• 57:12
  just huffing and puffing and seething like like Harry, you're
• 57:15
  a bitch. You're you're a bitch, Harry.
• 57:17
  Fuck you. You are such a fucking seething
• 57:20
  loser. Thinking and they're told you're
• 57:22
  not allowed to make fun of this and you're not allowed to talk
• 57:23
  about this and accepting the ways that we prescribe.
• 57:25
  And we're going to call you all these names unless you affirm
• 57:27
  all these pieties over and over and over again.
• 57:29
  One of the ways of rebelling against that is to say, you
• 57:31
  know, it's a it's a very common generational reaction is to say,
• 57:33
  FEU, we're going to transgress every line that you told us we
• 57:35
  can't because we hate you. We think that the things that
• 57:38
  you're doing have been destructive to our lives.
• 57:40
  And I think like ignoring that part of you.
• 57:43
  Know why I think it's going? You know what, Glenn, very valid
• 57:46
  point. And there may well be a
• 57:47
  generational thing to this. Let me bring in Warren just for
• 57:49
  the record, by the way, Andrew, we've just, we've just been
• 57:51
  through the whole transcript and he never uses the excuse that
• 57:55
  you, you may have heard him do it elsewhere.
• 57:57
  He talked about clergy, whether women should be allowed to to be
• 58:01
  clergy women and so on. And and obviously they can't
• 58:04
  under the Catholic Church doctrine.
• 58:05
  But he never uses, he never says he's celibacy is very it's for
• 58:08
  religious. Reason primary view is.
• 58:09
  Primary view is he's supposed to wait until learning.
• 58:11
  Anytime that may be his view, but he didn't, he didn't, he
• 58:13
  didn't express that view in my interview, is the point.
• 58:15
  We've just the transcript. Andrew was just saying I have
• 58:17
  the quote, I have the quote and there's no.
• 58:19
  Quote, but I can't roll out. I can't roll out.
• 58:21
  He hasn't said it elsewhere and it may be Andrew heard it, heard
• 58:23
  him say that before. I'm just saying in my interview
• 58:25
  he doesn't. Put on TV, we could just say,
• 58:27
  you know what, I made a mistake, it's okay, I got it wrong.
• 58:29
  I may have heard it elsewhere. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
• 58:31
  All right, let me bring Warren back in.
• 58:33
  Warren, you're a critical thinker, you know, Glen's, you
• 58:37
  know, stop me in my tracks a little bit and maybe think about
• 58:38
  this, right? Because I think there is
• 58:40
  probably a generational thing here.
• 58:41
  And I do think that in a way, shit, you know, maybe Mark's
• 58:44
  right that by me interviewing Fuentes, the only real winner at
• 58:47
  the end of the day, maybe Nick Fuentes, because none of his
• 58:50
  supporters, certainly from the reaction I've had, have changed
• 58:53
  their their impression of him one iota.
• 58:56
  I mean, they just assumed me just landsliding me and that was
• 58:58
  it. And I was an old boomer sent
• 58:59
  packing. And it may be, as Mark says,
• 59:01
  that other more moderate people quite like some of the things
• 59:03
  they heard. I don't know.
• 59:04
  He's charismatic, he's a good talker and he's smart and all
• 59:06
  these things. I don't dispute any of that from
• 59:08
  a critical. I know tons of people who
• 59:10
  weren't on board with Nick yet who are now full blown fucking
• 59:13
  gropers because of the Pierce interview.
• 59:16
  So I think Pierce had the opposite effect in which he
• 59:19
  originally intended. Thinking point of view, where
• 59:24
  does this take society if people like Nick Fuentes?
• 59:28
  Why does it fucking do this every now and then where it just
• 59:31
  freezes? All right, give me one moment.
• 59:33
  This only takes a second. What?
• 59:55
  Quite like some of the things they heard.
• 59:56
  I don't know. He is charismatic, he's a good
• 59:58
  talker and he's smart and all these things.
• 59:59
  I didn't dispute any of that. From a critical thinking point
• 1:00:01
  of view, where does this take society?
• 1:00:03
  If people like Nick Fauentes grow ever more popular, what
• 1:00:07
  will happen to a whole army of young men here?
• 1:00:11
  Last night I held a focus group to try and get to the bottom of
• 1:00:14
  this and I was with over 30 people.
• 1:00:16
  The vast majority 3 disagreed with the vast majority and what
• 1:00:20
  they they were saying. Things such as I went into this
• 1:00:22
  exchange and not expecting to like anything about this guy,
• 1:00:25
  but what I saw with Pierce not contending with his arguments.
• 1:00:29
  I think that's why when you bring up his dad, that's why he
• 1:00:32
  gets upset because he's saying, look, man, I'm here, let's talk.
• 1:00:35
  Why are you talking about my dad?
• 1:00:36
  Contend with my logic. It's the same thing when he that
• 1:00:40
  was his response when you brought on your British friend
• 1:00:42
  who told his horrific story, which is like it's, it's
• 1:00:45
  terrible. You can disagree.
• 1:00:47
  With his response to it. But I think he's saying why?
• 1:00:49
  Why are we? You're just telling me what
• 1:00:52
  you're saying is bad, but you're not really contending with the
• 1:00:54
  argument. And I think that is the core
• 1:00:56
  problem that has led to this outcome, because you can play
• 1:00:58
  these clips. There's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:01:00
  I don't think he was surprised by anything that occurred in
• 1:01:02
  here. That's another reason that
• 1:01:03
  you're seeing the backlash is because it was exactly what
• 1:01:05
  people predicted largely. But when you play that clip,
• 1:01:08
  it's like, OK, yes, that's taken from a large stream in the past.
• 1:01:11
  People evolve. And if you, if you're asking him
• 1:01:13
  in that conversation to expand on that and then he does and he
• 1:01:16
  does present logic, what I'm seeing is people say, no, you're
• 1:01:19
  saying that now, but you're lying.
• 1:01:21
  You're playing this game, you're pretending to be moderate, and
• 1:01:24
  now you're mind reading, you're saying, I know what Nick Fuentes
• 1:01:26
  thinks more than Nick Fuentes. And I do think it's really
• 1:01:28
  important in these exchanges to come at it with that first
• 1:01:30
  principle of I'm going to take the wild approach that I'm going
• 1:01:34
  to wipe the slate blank and assume that the person who knows
• 1:01:36
  the most about what Nick Fuentes actually thinks is Nick Fuentes.
• 1:01:39
  And that seldom happens. And when it does, I do see I saw
• 1:01:42
  a vastly different response to my conversation, but I don't
• 1:01:44
  think I challenged him any less. Right.
• 1:01:47
  That's very, you know what, It's very interesting.
• 1:01:48
  It's very interesting. I've been reading.
• 1:01:50
  I mean, I read and take note of the more nuanced commentary
• 1:01:53
  about it. I don't listen to the Groy
• 1:01:54
  Piszal ranting away or attacking me or my family, whatever.
• 1:01:56
  They can do, what they like, they can do the rest of their
• 1:01:57
  lives. They couldn't give a damn.
• 1:01:58
  But I do think there's a more, there are interesting arguments
• 1:02:00
  to be had about this because whether we like it or not, he is
• 1:02:03
  a phenomenon. He's a growing phenomenon and
• 1:02:05
  people, young people are gravitating to him.
• 1:02:07
  And it may well be for the reasons that Glenn articulated
• 1:02:09
  and and how how we the rest of us deal with this is a really
• 1:02:12
  interesting story. But that was a really
• 1:02:14
  interesting discussion. Thank you all very much.
• 1:02:15
  I appreciate it. Well, joining me now is Daniel
• 1:02:17
  Finkelstein from the times. He wanted to address the
• 1:02:19
  anti-Semitism row with Nick fluentes.
• 1:02:21
  Danny, I played is. This going to be the it's him,
• 1:02:27
  me mom. Me mom was made into the
• 1:02:29
  leather. We discussed this.
• 1:02:31
  You sent me like a 92nd video clip to play him about your own
• 1:02:34
  family's horrific experience at the hands of Hitler and Stalin
• 1:02:36
  from your very powerful book, and I'll be struck by two
• 1:02:39
  things. One, his utterly dismissive
• 1:02:40
  reaction in the moment. But secondly, the horrible pylon
• 1:02:44
  that's being directed at you in the most mocking, awful manner.
• 1:02:48
  What's it been like for you? So that is a bit distressing.
• 1:02:51
  There's no two ways about it. But I, I suppose you have to
• 1:02:54
  understand that Hitler would never have come to power in the
• 1:02:56
  1st place if there weren't a lot of people with that mentality.
• 1:02:58
  And that's what he's proving his own response on on the program
• 1:03:01
  was I think the only thing that he sort of felt he could do.
• 1:03:05
  But I think he made a big mistake.
• 1:03:06
  I think he thinks, you know, he did lived at large by admitting
• 1:03:08
  what, you know, kind of just saying to you, yeah, sure, I'm a
• 1:03:10
  racist. Sure, I don't like black people.
• 1:03:12
  Sure, I don't want women to vote.
• 1:03:13
  Sure, I think the Holocaust is fine.
• 1:03:15
  He thinks that he's winning out of that.
• 1:03:17
  But actually what he's doing ultimately is marginalizing
• 1:03:19
  himself. So he does produce as you've
• 1:03:20
  experienced and as I have this kind of deep reaction where
• 1:03:23
  people interestingly. It's funny because this guy
• 1:03:25
  thinks he's right. Repeated his jokes.
• 1:03:27
  So it was all like a bit of a cult.
• 1:03:29
  And I noticed that and that is that's not nice to receive, but
• 1:03:32
  I think it's worth it in order to try to expose the sort of
• 1:03:35
  person he is and to try to isolate him from the rest of the
• 1:03:37
  American right, which I'm very concerned about.
• 1:03:39
  And that's that's one of the reasons why I wanted to you to
• 1:03:42
  go ahead and confront him in the way that you did, which I think
• 1:03:44
  was very effective. And why I wanted to join in with
• 1:03:46
  that. Because I think it's really
• 1:03:47
  important that this kind of thinking doesn't go into the
• 1:03:49
  mainstream of the right. And he chose the path of
• 1:03:52
  deepening rather than widening. And that was a mistake.
• 1:03:54
  Yeah, he did. This is the mainstream now.
• 1:03:56
  You're retarded. And but it's whether he would
• 1:03:58
  see that as a mistake or whether he thinks, as he says, we're a
• 1:04:01
  couple of old boomers who just don't get it, who don't
• 1:04:03
  understand how young American men are thinking right now.
• 1:04:06
  And he's much more aware of how they are thinking about.
• 1:04:10
  Issues. Calling us boomers is like
• 1:04:11
  reconfiguring or rebadging his incredible ignorance and
• 1:04:14
  childishness as an asset. In fact, what was Obviously he
• 1:04:17
  hasn't got a foggiest clue what he's talking about, and he
• 1:04:19
  doesn't know anything about there was 1.
• 1:04:21
  Brilliant way, he said. I thought.
• 1:04:22
  It was cool. So I'm not in favour of genocide
• 1:04:25
  in parenthesis. Well, you actually are.
• 1:04:26
  And so he he doesn't really understand anything about it and
• 1:04:30
  nor do his supporters. So they they kind of dismiss it
• 1:04:32
  airily, as, you know, a laugh and who cares what happened all
• 1:04:37
  that time ago and then calls us boomers as it as if you or I
• 1:04:43
  cared about that. So.
• 1:04:45
  It's not about you guys caring. It's about you guys realizing
• 1:04:48
  that you're relics of the past and you're irrelevant and your
• 1:04:51
  points are pretty fucking irrelevant.
• 1:04:53
  And you trying to make like a video saying like, hey guys, buy
• 1:04:56
  my book. Me mom got turned into soap, Me
• 1:04:59
  dad is a shoe. It's like, OK, really Like you
• 1:05:05
  guys thinking the generational differences don't exist shows
• 1:05:09
  that we're winning. Absolutely true.
• 1:05:11
  I've lived quite a bit longer than him in order that I've
• 1:05:13
  actually read more books, understood more and know more of
• 1:05:15
  what I'm talking about. So he he was sensitive about his
• 1:05:18
  own ignorance and it came out in a kind of bragging way.
• 1:05:21
  And then of course a load of other people pile on to support
• 1:05:23
  that, as if they're unbothered by it.
• 1:05:25
  But he's made a mistake which he'll live to regret, even
• 1:05:28
  though he's 27 now, hasn't lived very long to regret anything.
• 1:05:30
  There's, I mean, what's happening with the kind of
• 1:05:32
  conservative movement in totality in America is
• 1:05:35
  fascinating. You're seeing splits within the
• 1:05:37
  MAGA movement. You're seeing others now
• 1:05:39
  developing like Fuentes and others outside of MAGA going
• 1:05:41
  very hostile on Trump and so on. You're seeing a lot of stuff
• 1:05:44
  going on here. What?
• 1:05:45
  What do you What do you make of? It so it's really fascinating
• 1:05:47
  thing is the split between your two interviewees, Tucker Carlson
• 1:05:50
  and Nick Fuentes. Ultimately that actually is in
• 1:05:52
  fact what I'm really interested in producing.
• 1:05:55
  Tucker Carlson has gone wild. Some of the things as you
• 1:05:57
  laughed in his face when he said some of the things about the
• 1:05:59
  French, his ridiculous point about Poland not understanding
• 1:06:02
  at all. Of course we had to enter the
• 1:06:04
  war before Hitler invaded us. Any historical account will show
• 1:06:07
  that we couldn't try. The United States never should
• 1:06:09
  have got involved in World War 2.
• 1:06:11
  There's a great book by Buchanan about it.
• 1:06:13
  We never should have got involved.
• 1:06:15
  Austin will have a deal with him.
• 1:06:16
  And in fact, we had, we had a contractual obligation to help
• 1:06:20
  and. Which we, which we, we went into
• 1:06:22
  not simply because of Polish human rights, but because we
• 1:06:24
  understood strategically we had to do that.
• 1:06:26
  The American by the way, did not do that and ended up being
• 1:06:28
  dragged into the war anyway. So Tucker Carlson's position was
• 1:06:30
  ridiculous, but it's not yet Nick Fuentes's position.
• 1:06:33
  His position is, I don't know why you British are that
• 1:06:34
  bothered about the Holocaust. He's not actually in favour of
• 1:06:36
  it, which is the Fuentes position driving a wedge between
• 1:06:39
  those two things, making Chuck Colson feel he can go that far,
• 1:06:42
  but he can't go as far. You can endorse a lot of cranks,
• 1:06:44
  but not Nick Fluentis. That is valuable and I think has
• 1:06:47
  been achieved by his interview with Fluentis your interview
• 1:06:50
  with both of them. I just had a panel discussion
• 1:06:52
  about it where one of the panelists argued quite strongly
• 1:06:54
  I shouldn't have platformed him at all.
• 1:06:55
  That actually all you end up doing is helping him grow his
• 1:06:59
  movement. I think that you know you and I
• 1:07:01
  have to recognise in our different media.
• 1:07:03
  Yourself. We don't any longer because of
• 1:07:04
  the way that Internet works, have the power just to say,
• 1:07:07
  well, there's no one listen, he's got a platform.
• 1:07:10
  It's ridiculous to argue he hasn't got.
• 1:07:11
  I agree. And I I took the view, you know,
• 1:07:13
  I, I, I know you know, some people said this to you before
• 1:07:16
  you did the interview. That was not my position.
• 1:07:17
  And I think it was vindicated by by what happened.
• 1:07:21
  It's important to expose what he thinks.
• 1:07:22
  We've all got to understand it. It's important part of the
• 1:07:25
  development of the right in the United States and that may come
• 1:07:27
  also to Britain as well. We've got to understand it.
• 1:07:29
  We've got to listen to it carefully see what its weak
• 1:07:32
  points are. So one of his his clear weak
• 1:07:33
  points is cut off all women from supporting his position, right.
• 1:07:37
  Well, that's half the population start offering, so he has, he's
• 1:07:40
  making mistakes and making him talk on the record in a
• 1:07:43
  challenging way is part of forcing him to do.
• 1:07:46
  Most Catholic women agree that they probably shouldn't vote Do.
• 1:07:50
  That, of course, he can't see it.
• 1:07:51
  If he could see. It like if you can't trust your
• 1:07:52
  husband to vote for you, why are you marrying the guy he?
• 1:07:54
  Wouldn't have made it, but he couldn't see it.
• 1:07:56
  Well, Danny, thank you. I hope it wasn't too bruising an
• 1:07:58
  experience to get involved in things.
• 1:08:00
  You know, I've, I've had a lot of backlash to stuff over the
• 1:08:02
  years. This hasn't been the worst.
• 1:08:03
  I've had worse, but it's been pretty ferocious.
• 1:08:06
  I mean, if you get you enter the world of Nick Fuentes and his
• 1:08:09
  grouper army. It's nasty.
• 1:08:11
  It's a nasty little cesspit and you've got to have pretty broad
• 1:08:14
  shoulders to deal with it. You have, I have.
• 1:08:16
  So we'll continue to do our jobs.
• 1:08:18
  Thank you very much. Here's what in our sense, that
• 1:08:21
  is proudly independent. That's the entire episode.
• 1:08:24
  OK, that was a fun little reaction.
• 1:08:26
  That's hilarious that they think it's just hilarious.
• 1:08:31
  The entire thing. Like one, Harry's facial
• 1:08:34
  expressions were crazy. His his dismissal of like
• 1:08:42
  bringing up Nick's dad, him not even acknowledging that his wife
• 1:08:46
  is cooking him, although he's still bringing up the dad,
• 1:08:51
  bringing on the fucking shoe guy.
• 1:08:53
  Like that's crazy. The whole thing was the black
• 1:08:56
  guy interrupt thing. I thought the entire thing was
• 1:08:58
  funny, but hope everyone enjoyed.
• 1:09:00
  That's been the show. We're going to go over to our
• 1:09:02
  comments now. Read out the comments.
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• 1:09:18
  With that, let's get right into our comments though.
• 1:09:22
  What exactly do you hate about Trump?
• 1:09:25
  I think he's racist and frankly very retarded.
• 1:09:29
  Trump is racist, Shut the fuck up.
• 1:09:32
  Trump like pretends to be racist to pander to people like me who
• 1:09:38
  don't want immigrants in this country.
• 1:09:40
  I don't think Trump's actually. Trump has been a Democrat his
• 1:09:42
  entire fucking life. Trump was funding liberals
• 1:09:45
  before he became a Republican. You obviously don't fucking know
• 1:09:50
  anything about politics. And the reasons I don't like him
• 1:09:56
  is because he is part of the establishment.
• 1:10:00
  Now. Trump in 2015, 2016, stood up
• 1:10:03
  there and was like, we're going to dismantle the deep state.
• 1:10:05
  We're not going to allow money to run politics.
• 1:10:08
  We're going to allow the people to run politics.
• 1:10:09
  The powers back to the people. Americanism, not globalism.
• 1:10:13
  And now Donald Trump is importing the third world.
• 1:10:16
  Donald Trump is sending billions of dollars to Israel.
• 1:10:20
  Like, what, have we sent $30 billion to Israel this year?
• 1:10:24
  He's having sleepovers with Bibi Netanyahu.
• 1:10:26
  He's bombing Iran and justifying it.
• 1:10:28
  He oversaw genocide for Israel and that Israel committed on
• 1:10:32
  Palestine. And he's cool with it.
• 1:10:34
  You know, I think Trump sold out a lot.
• 1:10:38
  I think a lot of it's just pandering.
• 1:10:43
  This is America, if you are not criticizing your government,
• 1:10:47
  you're doing it wrong. Great quote.
• 1:10:49
  If you are not criticizing your government, you're doing the
• 1:10:52
  entire thing wrong. I mean that is that is your role
• 1:10:56
  and duty as an American to criticize the corrupt rulers
• 1:11:00
  over you who are fucking just dangling the the littlest piece
• 1:11:04
  of food in front of you like you're a slave.
• 1:11:07
  How did this guy figure out video on Spotify but the rest of
• 1:11:11
  them can't? Are you saying how did I figure
• 1:11:14
  out how to get on Spotify when like people like Nick can?
• 1:11:16
  Or how did I figure out how to do video on here?
• 1:11:19
  If it's the video part, it's because people who don't know
• 1:11:21
  how to upload videos are retarded.
• 1:11:25
  If it's the other thing, it's because I don't.
• 1:11:29
  I don't fucking know. I don't know, maybe because I'm
• 1:11:31
  newer. I've only been doing the show
• 1:11:33
  for 11 months. Nick's been doing it for 10
• 1:11:35
  years. Maybe they'll ban me one day.
• 1:11:36
  Hopefully not. I love Spotify.
• 1:11:38
  I think Spotify has been pretty good on free speech.
• 1:11:40
  I think. Like I think if Nick was newer,
• 1:11:44
  Spotify would definitely allow him on.
• 1:11:45
  But Nick's been doing this for 10 years.
• 1:11:47
  There's articles written about him saying some of the most
• 1:11:49
  grotesque lies, and that definitely doesn't help the
• 1:11:53
  chances of being allowed to be on a platform like that.
• 1:11:55
  And I'd completely disagree. Nick should be allowed to speak
• 1:11:57
  on every platform. I think we all have a right to
• 1:12:00
  free speech and it's ridiculous to take that away from somebody.
• 1:12:05
  But if it's about just video, you know, anyone who doesn't
• 1:12:08
  know how to upload video is just retarded.
• 1:12:10
  And dance Owens should go to TPC Town because she will get shot
• 1:12:14
  like Charlie Kirk. Nick is trying to set her up.
• 1:12:17
  That's retarded. If Candace Owens went to Turning
• 1:12:19
  Point and got shot it would be the most obvious fucking thing
• 1:12:22
  ever. That Turning Point killed
• 1:12:23
  Candace and then you could safely assume that Turning Point
• 1:12:27
  was also behind Charlie Kirk. Your entire logic is flawed and
• 1:12:32
  retarded and just shows you have no critical thinking skills.
• 1:12:35
  Nick is big crybaby. If no one likes Candace's
• 1:12:38
  content then don't watch it. It's literally entertaining to
• 1:12:41
  watch. That's it.
• 1:12:42
  The same with all things of the Internet.
• 1:12:44
  I used to like Nick but after listening to an hour nonstop
• 1:12:47
  rant of him throwing a tantrum that Candace is making money
• 1:12:50
  from YouTube is just crazy bad. Look white *** Shut the fuck up.
• 1:12:56
  Like no offense that's retarded. Yeah Candace making money for
• 1:13:01
  months monetizing streams. I I've been complaining about
• 1:13:04
  this. Like shut up Candace monetizing
• 1:13:07
  the stream of her best friend, so-called best friend while drip
• 1:13:13
  feeding information is terrible. I mean Candace saying and we'll
• 1:13:16
  tell you more tomorrow while monetizing it all is fucking
• 1:13:19
  insane. This isn't Bravo TV, this is the
• 1:13:21
  fucking news. This is politics.
• 1:13:22
  This is real world shit and she's not treating it like that.
• 1:13:26
  So shut the fuck up. I used to love listening to
• 1:13:32
  Candace and her actual journalism.
• 1:13:34
  She's fallen so far off and is clearly just trying to monetize
• 1:13:37
  everything she can. Truly is disappointing.
• 1:13:40
  Glad I found your podcast. I've been listening for about 3
• 1:13:44
  months now. Let's go.
• 1:13:46
  Thank you. I appreciate the support.
• 1:13:48
  Yeah, it's sad because we all grew up watching people like
• 1:13:52
  Charlie, Kurt, Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro, and now I feel like
• 1:13:55
  we use the skills we learn from them to come back and fucking
• 1:13:58
  defeat them. Like.
• 1:14:01
  And I don't say that about Charlie Kirk.
• 1:14:02
  Like that's not what I mean by that.
• 1:14:04
  I mean I if you guys saw my stream after Charlie pass, you
• 1:14:08
  guys know my feelings on it. Very sad.
• 1:14:11
  Although I didn't agree with him on everything.
• 1:14:12
  Still respect the guy. But more applies to Candace and
• 1:14:15
  Ben Shapiro. But yeah, I think what Candace
• 1:14:18
  is doing is ridiculous. Act like it's insane.
• 1:14:22
  It's not justifiable right now. What was the false info that was
• 1:14:25
  fed to Candace that you know of? See, I don't know if I should
• 1:14:29
  out my guest on that. Let me ask him and if he gives
• 1:14:32
  me the green light, I'll say it on tomorrow's show.
• 1:14:36
  But it was one of her things that she said was 100% true,
• 1:14:40
  I'll give you that. But it was completely false.
• 1:14:43
  It was just made-up out of thin air.
• 1:14:45
  Pulled it out of his ass. But yeah, I'll let me let me ask
• 1:14:51
  the viewer. I don't want to just.
• 1:14:53
  I don't want to get someone in trouble.
• 1:14:55
  Net Annual Cost, a widely cited report from the Federation for
• 1:14:59
  American Immigration Reform. FAIR, a conservative advocacy
• 1:15:03
  group, estimates the net annual cost of illegal immigration to
• 1:15:07
  US taxpayers, federal, state and local, was at least $150.7
• 1:15:13
  billion at the start of 2023. Other estimates cited by House
• 1:15:17
  Republicans range as high as 4, $151 billion annually.
• 1:15:22
  Yeah, that doesn't even include the NGOs and all that shit.
• 1:15:27
  Wiz is not good at all. I had it and I would say that
• 1:15:30
  it's even safe for the Snapchat with this app, they show photos
• 1:15:33
  that you post random people, usually the photos you want to
• 1:15:37
  be attractive to people. And I was asked to do something
• 1:15:39
  once and then they said that all my family and all that, it was a
• 1:15:42
  big deal for me. Holy shit, yeah, I'm glad you're
• 1:15:45
  OK. Stay off fucking apps like that.
• 1:15:48
  They're weird. They're they're weird.
• 1:15:50
  Any app like that is just, it's terrible.
• 1:15:53
  And people who made that app should be arrested immediately.
• 1:15:58
  There wasn't a lot of news in the, there wasn't a lot of
• 1:16:00
  things to talk about yesterday. So I figured, like, why not talk
• 1:16:03
  about this? Because I saw it.
• 1:16:05
  And yeah, the Wiz app's fucking terrible.
• 1:16:07
  It's just Tinder for kids. It's like, why the fuck do kids
• 1:16:09
  need Tinder? They don't.
• 1:16:11
  Kids need books. Rather, I clicked this to listen
• 1:16:14
  to the interview, not you. Shush.
• 1:16:17
  Tell me you have no brain cells without telling me you have no
• 1:16:19
  brain cells. You could just go and click on
• 1:16:21
  the interview on Pierce's page, but instead you clicked on a
• 1:16:24
  reaction on my page. You're a retard.
• 1:16:27
  Your opinions are relevant. Shut the fuck up.
• 1:16:29
  I have 3 kids and only my oldest son, soon to be 13, has a phone.
• 1:16:34
  We have to approve any app he downloads and he has no access
• 1:16:37
  to safari or any other browser. Luckily he is a good Christian
• 1:16:41
  kid but I worry about what he sees on other kids phones more
• 1:16:44
  than his. It's tough but you have to be
• 1:16:46
  willing to piss your kid off to keep their lives the purest
• 1:16:49
  possible. My boys all play sports year
• 1:16:51
  rounds and don't have a lot of idle time.
• 1:16:53
  When we aren't at the ball field field, they work on the farm.
• 1:16:57
  Good for you, brother. I know me and you had a little
• 1:16:58
  back and forth in the comments for a little bit, but that's
• 1:17:01
  awesome. And I'll, I'll keep praying for
• 1:17:02
  your family. Yeah, sometimes you got to piss
• 1:17:07
  your kids off to do right. Your kids don't understand
• 1:17:10
  things the way you do. And obviously generations of all
• 1:17:14
  of like we see that with the Piers Morgan, Nick Fuentes
• 1:17:17
  dispute. Like there's going to be
• 1:17:18
  generational differences that you kind of have to adapt to,
• 1:17:21
  but at the same time, sheltering, you know, keeping
• 1:17:24
  your kids safe from the fucking rampant pedophiles that are on
• 1:17:27
  the Internet. Props to you.
• 1:17:28
  You're a good dad for that. That's awesome.
• 1:17:30
  And being a good dad's the most important thing over everything.
• 1:17:33
  And I'm sure you're a great father.
• 1:17:34
  So that's awesome. Awesome.
• 1:17:36
  Your kids play sports and that they're working as well.
• 1:17:38
  That's very important to build character.
• 1:17:42
  So that's really awesome. I'll keep praying for you and
• 1:17:43
  your family. Thanks for commenting.
• 1:17:46
  Jesus is King. Yep, Christ is king.
• 1:17:48
  Thank you. I appreciate when people say
• 1:17:50
  that. That's awesome.
• 1:17:52
  I love when people in great Christ is King.
• 1:17:56
  Gen. X here turning point is the best
• 1:17:59
  tool we have in the fight against the two most dangerous
• 1:18:01
  things our nation and younger generations are going to have to
• 1:18:05
  deal with. The extreme left and Islam both
• 1:18:08
  are totalitarian. Candace is tearing that tool
• 1:18:11
  apart. Maybe a new tool should be built
• 1:18:13
  before throwing away the one we have.
• 1:18:15
  Additionally, I don't think we have enough time for that.
• 1:18:18
  If shit pops off, I'd rather it happen now so that I can keep my
• 1:18:22
  kids safe leaving them out of it.
• 1:18:27
  Yeah. I mean, I get what you're saying
• 1:18:28
  at the end there. That's just wishful thinking
• 1:18:30
  saying like I wish it would happen now so I don't have to
• 1:18:32
  deal with it later. Like I get that.
• 1:18:33
  But then also at the same time, I don't think Turning Point at
• 1:18:37
  this point is doing what they were doing in the pad.
• 1:18:40
  Like Charlie Kirk was Turning Point.
• 1:18:42
  And a lot of people fail to realize that like, yes, Turning
• 1:18:45
  Point still exists. Erica Kirk is now the CEO, but
• 1:18:48
  Charlie Kirk was Turning Point. Who is going to the college
• 1:18:50
  campuses? Like there were multiple people
• 1:18:53
  who worked under Turning Points umbrella that would go to these
• 1:18:55
  college campuses and would do debates.
• 1:18:57
  Did anyone watch any of them besides Charlie's?
• 1:19:00
  Like were people watching Officer Tatum's fucking college
• 1:19:02
  interviews? No, they weren't her college
• 1:19:04
  debates. No, no one gave a shit.
• 1:19:07
  It was Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was the brand.
• 1:19:10
  And very sadly, Charlie Kirk was assassinated in front of all of
• 1:19:13
  her eyes. And I hate to say it, but
• 1:19:17
  Turning Point, or the idea of what Turning Point was died in
• 1:19:20
  that moment. And I don't mean to be morbid,
• 1:19:24
  but it's to say that without Charlie Kirk, Turning Point is
• 1:19:27
  not what it used to be. Now it's just a a way to
• 1:19:30
  fundraise money for the for the GOP.
• 1:19:33
  Now it's a way to register voters for the GOP.
• 1:19:35
  It's not a way to like, you have nobody who's making these clips
• 1:19:39
  for social media, Like who's going to make these clips?
• 1:19:41
  Fucking Andrew Colvitt, who's like the guys at Turning Point
• 1:19:44
  who also like Jack Posobik is going to be the new face of the
• 1:19:47
  franchise. Like, no, let's be realistic
• 1:19:50
  here. There.
• 1:19:51
  There is nobody who can replace what Charlie Kirk did for
• 1:19:53
  Turning Point or for America. And you know, if you want to
• 1:19:57
  even go that big, but when Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
• 1:20:01
  the idea of what Turning Point was was assassinated with it
• 1:20:04
  very, very sad, very awful that it happened.
• 1:20:08
  I would give so much to have Charlie Kirk back on this earth,
• 1:20:11
  even with how much I disagree with him on a lot of things.
• 1:20:15
  But I think Charlie Kirk was an amazing man.
• 1:20:18
  And he was a father and he was a husband above everything else
• 1:20:21
  and a man of God. But yeah, I don't I.
• 1:20:25
  I don't think that turning point USA is holding off the extreme
• 1:20:29
  left in Islam at this point. I, I think you have like Jack
• 1:20:32
  Pasobic tweeting out like fuck Muslims.
• 1:20:34
  And it's like, OK, like, is that, is that what Charlie Kirk
• 1:20:37
  was doing? No, Charlie Kirk was way better
• 1:20:39
  at it. Charlie Kirk would actually
• 1:20:40
  dismantle these people's talking points because he had the
• 1:20:43
  knowledge and the brain power to do so.
• 1:20:46
  And that's just not happening anymore.
• 1:20:48
  I I genuinely think the gripers are the next wave to take over.
• 1:20:56
  Thanks for your input though. He bent peers over
• 1:20:59
  metaphorically. Yeah, he did.
• 1:21:01
  He did. Dude, I never said you were
• 1:21:04
  defending communism. Yeah, your clip was pretty
• 1:21:07
  fucking. You're pretty confusing then,
• 1:21:11
  but here's your. Explanation that it would still
• 1:21:13
  be a good thing if the regime ended because the people they
• 1:21:15
  ally would hate us. Yeah, maybe.
• 1:21:18
  It's just something to take into consideration, that's all.
• 1:21:22
  Yeah, I just still don't think we should be doing another
• 1:21:24
  regime change war. I get the argument behind it,
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  but someone else gave their input.
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  I think people are forgetting that there was some controversy
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  about Venezuela's vote counting machines being used here.
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  I get not wanting to spend on foreign entanglements, but at
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  least this is in our hemisphere and has a real effect on our
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  country. Personally, I think it's worth
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  considering going back to colonization if we get involved.
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  It needs to benefit US. Venezuela is a terrorist
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  territory or something worth considering.
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  Yeah. I mean, here's my take on it.
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  Like, we were offered a deal where we would get all their
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  gold and oil and all their future gold and oil, and then
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  Marco Rubio's like, no, we're going to go to war.
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  And that's where we're at now. Now we're taking oil tankers
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  over, and we're talking about, like, bombs on land and we're
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  talking about possible ground forces.
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  And it's like, is that really better than just the deal where
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  Maduro would have stepped down? We would have got all future
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  gold, all future oil and all the golden oil they have now?
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  Yeah. I don't get why we didn't accept
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  that. And like a lot of boomer, like I
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  was disagreeing with the boomer about it and they were saying
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  the same thing. And I'm like, how the fuck is
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  that better? And they're like, because Trump
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  said so. And I'm like, you're an idiot.
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  Just get just because Trump said so, that's why.
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  That's your fucking reason. I understand the perspective.
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  And again, I'm not like pro Maduro but you guys get my point
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  that it's like why should we be using our military to push
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  another regime change war that realistically has little nothing
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  to fucking do with us? Sorry about that, I'm still
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  fucking sick. Keep muting myself every time I
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  talk so I don't have to show you guys that we got one more
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  comment. Why did you erase my comments
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  yesterday? That's from Fidel, I didn't if
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  if for some reason your comments didn't appear.
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  That's on your end buddy, not on mine.
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  Feel free to recomment them and they will be up on the I'll read
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  them out on the show tomorrow. I I don't delete any comments
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  though. I do not delete comments.
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  Let's see, let's check over on Rumble and YouTube see if we got
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  anything there. Nothing on rumble, I don't know
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  if we got anything on YouTube either.
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  What the fuck? So this is someone who also
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  commented on Spotify, but is now commenting on YouTube as well.
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  This is continued from my spot if I comment since I can only
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  comment once there. But I get it about Candace.
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  I don't believe everything she says either but you have to
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  admit this shit is entertaining. So whether she's grifting or not
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  at social media, do your own research.
• 1:24:23
  Whining about a YouTube making money whether it's from saving
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  lives or investigating a murder and blaming the family.
• 1:24:29
  You can't knock her hustle. I honestly feel like because
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  she's gaining so much traction in the media more than anyone
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  else, PPLR literally hating that that they don't have the same
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  followers and notoriety. Anyway, I still love your show.
• 1:24:43
  No hate there. Been busy working and planning
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  holiday travels with kids but I'm still watching daily.
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  America first flag of the United States.
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  I appreciate the M part but just to talk about the beginning
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  part, why does it only let you comment once?
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  The Spotify only let you guys comment once.
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  That's fucking weird. Is that why Fidel always does
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  like one comment and then like 5 fucking replies to my other
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  comment? That's weird.
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  Curious about that. There's no setting on my part
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  that says you guys can only comment once.
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  That's a Spotify thing if anything.
• 1:25:20
  And again, the problem is the way she does it.
• 1:25:23
  Like if Candace gave all the information at once and was
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  monetizing it, I wouldn't give a shit.
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  Literally wouldn't fucking care at all.
• 1:25:30
  But Candace sang and find out tomorrow and I'm going to
• 1:25:34
  release a different name every day this week.
• 1:25:36
  It's like, like it proves every point I say about women in
• 1:25:41
  politics and media to be correct, and I hope you're able
• 1:25:46
  to see that. Again, it's not that she's
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  necessarily just monetizing it, it's that she's drip feeding
• 1:25:51
  information while monetizing. That's the fucking problem.
• 1:25:55
  That's the problem over everything else.
• 1:25:57
  Let's refresh it one more time. See if any new comments came in.
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  Yeah, holy shit, there we go. We just got one. 97 hours and 10
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  minutes. O you who love the Lord, hate
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  evil. He preserves the lives of His
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  Saints. He delivers them from the hand
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  of the wicked. It is not a sin to hate sin and
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  hate evil. Pedophiles are evil and I hate
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  them righteously. Good, good scripture quote
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  there. Yeah, I agree, righteous hates a
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  thing. I just try and avoid it.
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  It's just bad for the it's bad for your brain, it's bad for the
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  soul, bad for the heart. But I agree.
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  I mean, there's nothing redeemable that pedophiles they
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  need the death sentence. That's the only way to redeem a
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  not even redeem, but the only way to fix the situation is the
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  death sentence. All right, let's refresh one
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  more time. I guess if we go in there.
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  Nope, that's it. Now we're going to sign off
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  today. I'm not feeling well, but
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  hopefully tomorrow I'm feeling a little better.
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  Definitely by Monday I'll be feeling better.
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  We're still going to do a show tomorrow though.
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  We got our casual Friday show tomorrow.
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  Hope you guys have a great day. Hope you guys enjoyed the show.
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  But with that, I'm gonna sign off today.
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  Hope you guys have a blessed day, a blessed night, and I'll
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  see you guys tomorrow on Friday. Thank you.