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Exploring celtic techno (feat. ISAWBANSHEE) · Headroom

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SPEAKER_02: Hello listeners and welcome to the first episode of this podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: The Headroom Podcast is where we talk about all things music and interview all sorts of musicians, teachers, and producers and see what it's like in their own world with their production and sound design.
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SPEAKER_02: Today we have our first guest to kick off the show, Aisho Banshee.
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SPEAKER_02: Sorry about that.
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SPEAKER_00: Hello.
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SPEAKER_02: So before we get started, is there anything that you want to say to the listeners out there?
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SPEAKER_02: Anything about yourself?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, hello.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, I'm I'm uh Issaw Banshee and uh I'm a DJ producer.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I've been doing this for like at least three years now, but Isa Banshee is like a pretty recent uh idea, and uh it's my first podcast as well.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's a pleasure uh to meet you and uh be here today.
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SPEAKER_02: Well of course, thank you for taking time out of your day to be here.
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SPEAKER_02: Very much appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_02: So I want one of the questions, simple question, get it out the way.
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SPEAKER_02: What got you into the rave scene?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, for me it was um I started raving like at a kind of a young age.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like in high school, and it's just through friends we were going to like events, uh, and that was like pre-COVID, maybe like back in 2018.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and yeah, so like we started going to underground events, and then um bigger events started coming to Montreal again pre-COVID.
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SPEAKER_00: I like I'm thinking like uh Bay Ship, BitTooth, um, and there's festivals and stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's really just attending like the events for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Um got me like in pretty much into uh EDM.
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SPEAKER_02: That's pretty cool.
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SPEAKER_02: So this sp the it's a big spectrum on EDM with a lot of different subgenres in there, and with you focusing on trans techno, are there any inspirations out there that fuel you and kind of have you chase your sound?
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SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, so Shrant for me is kind of new.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I I I have like a big background of dubstep.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm just going so just to explain like why I sound like like I sound now is just I I produce Dubstep.
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SPEAKER_00: Then I went through like a bit more alt uh witch house phase.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh like in the last three years, when I started producing, I went more in the direction of like just going large and doing more analog witch house stuff, a bit like crystal castles, um under another alias.
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SPEAKER_00: And um then when once I wanted to like reconnect with idiom and everything, well technology for me has always kind of been uh kind of been part of my consumption as like just a a music uh music enthusiast.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh I started producing it for fun and it was like okay, I kind of got this.
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SPEAKER_00: And um like trans kind of appeared in my life.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't know about trans like two years ago or something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: And um just to answer your question, like I I like the big names right now kind of uh I'd say like Klang Klang Quencler.
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SPEAKER_00: I I don't know if I say it right, but you know I don't know either.
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SPEAKER_02: I have no idea how to say it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Clang uh Quencler is kind of the is kind of the one I look up to the most for France, just the emotion, the ambience, um that he provides, just the fucking venues you you see like the events he organizes and everything.
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SPEAKER_02: Have you ever seen him live or anything like that?
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SPEAKER_00: No, I believe I'm not sure if you want you came to Montreal.
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SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
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SPEAKER_00: I I don't think I would have to.
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SPEAKER_00: Not that I know, um nope.
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SPEAKER_00: I I've never been to a a crying uh event.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: I would like to though.
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SPEAKER_02: So is is I saw Banshee, you say you've been making music for three years, you said?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I've been making music for three I've been producing for three years, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I have like a piano, uh like a classical piano formation uh since like I I started piano when I was four.
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SPEAKER_00: Like my parents put me into music like at a very young age, but once I wanted to start producing came more like three years ago.
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SPEAKER_02: Huh.
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SPEAKER_02: Were you able to pick up any other instruments after piano after a while?
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SPEAKER_00: I I play guitar a bit.
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SPEAKER_00: I play a bit of guitar, I play mostly piano.
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SPEAKER_00: That's like my my big two bigger instruments, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Would you say it was easier to pick up guitar after you've known a good amount of piano?
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SPEAKER_00: I I'd say so, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Once you got the basics, everything is possible.
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SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
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SPEAKER_02: Since four years old, so I'd imagine you know some sort of theory, music theory?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I uh I'd say I I I know I so I started at four, I stopped lessons at twelve.
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SPEAKER_00: I I used to hate doing piano when I was young.
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SPEAKER_00: And then back in my teens when I started like more reconnecting with music, and you you know, like you just start developing your identity around music, like that that was the case for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh well I I already had this tool, so yeah, I'd say I I I I I do have the theory from what I've learned when I was young.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I never uh took more lessons or anything like that.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you kind of skipped on over.
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SPEAKER_02: When would you say was about the time frame where you started to learn to get into recording and making and writing your own music?
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SPEAKER_00: So I kind of did things because a lot of people start at a young age.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I'm more of a late bloomer.
6:01
SPEAKER_00: Um so when I started having more like money of my own, when I could afford like a DAW or some people say a DAW like Ableton.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and then so I once I could afford the Ableton, then it and I make more money through like just because I I do normal work outside of this whole persona.
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SPEAKER_00: So um so after like it I I don't know, um once I I I felt like I had like the resources to start building something.
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SPEAKER_00: Like it's something I always wanted to do, and then talking to a friend that's like, well, you should get a Yulton and just get serum, and then you know, someone someone in my life got me started, and then I just kind of build from there and the passion kind of grows as it as it goes, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh serum, is that what you're currently working with now?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh when you first got serum, uh did you find it to be intimidating for someone who's just getting started?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So like the funny thing is I I bought Ableton and Serum when like back in 2019, let's say, then COVID came, and I didn't really start producing like seriously, just because like it was kind of intimidating and like nothing was really like coming out of it.
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SPEAKER_00: So I for me like the starting point is really 2023, and like that's when I was like, okay, no, I want to make music, I want to like set goals and just like have finished products that I can call my own, and uh there's a learning curve to it, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's intimidating, like the first week, and then you you do every little step is kind of gratifying, I find.
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SPEAKER_02: You did mention with the witch house stuff, analog.
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SPEAKER_02: Are you do you use any analog gear in general?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't.
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SPEAKER_00: Um it's mostly like in the in the sound I'm trying, I was trying to when I say analog, it was mostly just like not EDM.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Analog subgenre.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, more like uh like emulating instruments, like so uh I was using guitar, I was using more like organic uh sounds, rat well it's still pretty like heavy on like soft thin uh and everything, but just uh a more like how do we say like but well I don't know it's under the alias times six if you wanna like look it out.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know, times we'll talk about that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah so um yeah it it's just like uh like people will get it uh maybe as they listen to it, like it's definitely electronica, like electronic, but not EDM.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it's like the very similar to Crystal Castle's alley, like sub-genre-wise wedge house dark wave, if I'm kind of aiming in that right direction.
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SPEAKER_00: I'd say definitely Crystal Castle has always been a kind of what the sound of Crystal Castles always has been like uh um an inspiration.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I love Alice Glass, like just the definitely like it's really sad what the like the story behind Crystal Castles.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I I don't really condone anything that happened like in the whole story, but um definitely like in terms of production, like it's definitely a sound that like reaches uh so many like levels of like so many different emotions.
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SPEAKER_02: So um yeah I don't I don't think I'm answering your question right now, but uh it's uh I think you have I think you have um I think you have answered it's just the answer of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Definitely crystal castles, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: I I I would say uh was like a big inspiration behind it.
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SPEAKER_02: That's good.
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SPEAKER_02: Without the mountain, would you say that you would be here if it weren't for them?
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SPEAKER_00: Um I'd say it definitely set a goal at the for me at a time when I had to get started and didn't know where I was going.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I think and everything everyone that gets started needs to kind of have like really little ambitions, which even if it's like emulate uh emulate like an idol or you know, it's I that's how you learn, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh that is true.
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SPEAKER_02: That is true.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean setting a goal exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: So like it's well to me it was like okay, I I wanna do witch house, and like this is my reference.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, you choose the reference you you like, and like that's the best way to get started, and then you build confidence.
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SPEAKER_00: And the more you go, like the more you're gonna like your your your little self is gonna like out, you know, and like in the sound and just the the whole persona and like that the this is the like the the we're we're more in the final product here of my my three-year progress, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: The three-year project right here and the flash, and the flesh.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh I want to dig more into this I saw Banshee.
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SPEAKER_02: How did you get that name and where does it kind of come from?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, good question.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that that's like a a two-month-old idea, and um I'm big on like history, like I'm a bit of a nerd for history.
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SPEAKER_00: Um like just lore in general, like um like myth.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I've always really liked like Celtic lore and and and stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_00: So you you see a lot of benchies.
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SPEAKER_00: You also see a lot of benchies like in video games, they're usually pretty dumb and and weak.
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SPEAKER_00: So I was like, oh well, that's like kind of perfect for me.
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SPEAKER_02: She's like inaccurate.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I kind of relate, like they're kind of scary, outcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and I was like it everything, just having like the bigger picture of wanted to kind of build a world around raving.
12:43
SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh that's kind of I've never seen that before.
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SPEAKER_00: May it maybe it has been done before, but I was like, ooh, like also like uh like in the lore itself, like seeing a benshee usually is like a very bad omen.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's like okay, I'm I'm in techno, I wanna I wanna sound dark.
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SPEAKER_00: I love like historic lore.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like okay, but that kind of fits everything, and I saw Benshee has kind of a nice phonetic to me.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just uh I trust my my creative judgment on that.
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SPEAKER_00: Like if people don't like it, they don't like it, but I really like it right now.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean it was sick.
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SPEAKER_02: It was a def for sure a unique name.
13:24
SPEAKER_02: Excuse me.
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SPEAKER_02: It's definitely something that is branded to you.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I can't think like like oh someone else already has that name or anything like that because it's so specific and characterized.
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SPEAKER_02: Like coming across your stuff as far as like, oh dude, this is sick, is a math creator, and as well as your style of content that you post with like the grain, black and gray aspect to it.
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SPEAKER_02: I feel like that really is helping create like your image with what you're aiming for, with that eeriness and darkness that you're trying to get.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that's really sick.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_00: Um like like that it's really just a pleasure for people to enjoy it for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know, I've it's been kind of marinating for a while.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so I'm just happy like people see the vision and they want to share it.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I I just want to share that weirdness like with people that kind of vibe with it, and uh like it it's just a pleasure, you know, for for me to and thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_02: Of course, of course.
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SPEAKER_02: Was there ever a moment where you're you're you're building up a following?
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SPEAKER_02: I think that you that you're building up a following.
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SPEAKER_02: Is there a moment where do you recall the time or whatever it is that you were doing where you just look at your phone and you say, Whoa, people actually like this.
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SPEAKER_02: Has there ever been a moment of that?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh kind of like in the past two weeks, uh, because the theme hasn't always been black and white.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and at some point, I don't know, I was like, because it's a lot of trial, people don't see the trial, the cringe, trial, and error phase.
15:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh so there has been like a month and a half of like cringe and trial and error, and uh then the black and white came.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, that like uh after like a few videos, I was like, that with the mask kind of popping out.
15:17
SPEAKER_00: I also have like my my boyfriend's like a creative director in his own field, uh just in in the daytime.
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SPEAKER_00: So I use him a lot for like feedback, and you know, we've both been working on like imagery for three years, not really like coming up with anything, and that kind of worked, and we're like, yeah, that's dope, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're kind of excited, and that's when people started uh uh noticing it, I I believe.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's really to answer your question.
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SPEAKER_00: Just like two weeks ago, there was a post that kind of uh reached a bit more people and then went from 80 to 200 followers.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh so it's it's not so uh important to me though.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm just glad like people want to join and have fun.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I want to play gigs some sometime soon.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I just want as much people to like benefit from or like feel like they can be themselves and be kind of weird.
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SPEAKER_00: If you have to mask up, just do it, you know, like if I can inspire people, like that that's just like the the gratifying part for me.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: Is there the mentioning of playing gigs?
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SPEAKER_02: Is there like in the future, of course, like anyone that you want to collaborate with or do it back-to-back with?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a that's a good question.
16:45
SPEAKER_00: Um kind of uh going back to Clang, just because any artist that has like a sense of world building kind of uh resonates with me a lot.
16:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh I I I say this very ambitiously.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: So like Clang.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I really like, and I I I've not mentioned this uh like prior day, but uh res has been like a big part of my goals, also like like wanting to get it into production.
17:14
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you know uh res art.
17:17
SPEAKER_02: I don't believe so.
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SPEAKER_00: So she's like um she's like a a dovstep in her own genre artist.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh and she has a lot of like world building uh going on in her creative like presentation.
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SPEAKER_00: So I I would see myself maybe having a back-to-back with her.
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SPEAKER_00: Like her her vibe kinds of also meddles with techno a bit.
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SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, but like those two rules really like resonate with me for now.
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SPEAKER_02: Well that's good.
17:49
SPEAKER_02: I've never I have to check that out after this episode, take a listen to that.
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SPEAKER_00: Definitely recommend.
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SPEAKER_02: Well do.
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SPEAKER_02: I want to dig in next, switching gears over into your sound.
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SPEAKER_02: Now I've taken a listen to uh the Viathan and the Signal.
18:05
SPEAKER_02: And they for two of those being the first releases uh from I saw Bantry, they're very distinctive from each other.
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SPEAKER_02: So it is very much like its own, each one has its own sound while also staying within the same category.
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SPEAKER_02: Is there any sound design that you're doing on any of those tracks?
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SPEAKER_00: Um oh gosh, I I'd have to open the the file for Livyatan.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh there's not a lot of things.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: Um well, not true.
18:38
SPEAKER_00: Like I think in Leviathan the the drop wasn't it was synthesized.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: Like I I like to synthesize kicks when when it's like yeah, I I I synthesize like rumbles, kicks.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: I do use uh I'm gonna use loops sometimes.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh like I don't like synthesizing uh symbols like tops.
19:02
SPEAKER_00: So that's gonna be loops most of the time.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: But serum has like I could layer with serum has uh built-in like uh hat makers too.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: So I I will sometimes maybe like do perks with serum or hats, but I I think at the workflow just go through the loops you have in your in your library and something's gonna work, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Um just in terms of sound design, uh in the Vietnam the like the big bass you hear like in the buildup, that's everything was me.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh maybe like the impacts, no the the impacts is uh is samples, but um and notes like also like the bass was uh synthesized.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: Um again, like the kick to probably uh I could open my files then if you want.
19:54
SPEAKER_02: Um when did you excuse I haven't been talking all day.
20:01
SPEAKER_02: Um when you first got into using serum and all that, did you get into sound design right away, or did you kind of start off with presets and all that and then slowly you know decide I'm gonna learn how to make the sounds that I want?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I have I have like the the biggest privilege to to have like a few friends in the the like in music, like we we've been like exchanging presets um and everything.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: So sometimes I'm gonna I'm gonna start from presets.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh let's say you want like a really sophisticated sound that uh so um but it's it's usually like pretty um I don't know like also like people underestimate the the library, the presets in the serum library, which I I usually like start like a as 10 as a tensile, and then I will build um or like change things through like just the stock library from serum.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: Um especially serum too.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: So like uh sequencers or like even the I'm a big clip function, like no nobody knows about the clip function in serum 2.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know if you use it.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: Is that the the MIDI selection, right?
21:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I use it a lot.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: Like uh you you you reverse it, you invert it, you you can do the same thing as in Ableton, like the piano roll, and once you're satisfied with your MIDI, you just drag and drop in your in your file.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: So um I so it's I don't know, serum.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: I always circle back to serum.
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SPEAKER_00: I've I've used like silent one, I've used uh uh one's a good one.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I uh there there's been other synthesizers, but it's always been like serum two, actually, for me.
21:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh I always circle back to it.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: How easy was it for you to pick up on the sound design?
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SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: It's it's such a hard question because I just enjoy like learning about it so much.
22:13
SPEAKER_00: Like to me, I I've never had a phase where I'm like, oh, this is tough.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: I I'm never gonna get good at it.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: I just always been like in awe of it.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: I have to like the creativity first.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so uh I've always thought my my um my stuff was hard, you know.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: So i in like in a very um not pretentious way.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: Like I I just mean like uh I I've always been like really we're we're finding a lot of gratification in just like learning new stuff, going on YouTube, Reddit, uh Discord servers, just like looking out, uh finding even like finding um like educational files, stuff like you you never stop to learn, which kind of keeps you going.
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SPEAKER_00: So if that kind of answers your question, uh just yeah, it covers that, it covers that.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: So like picking up was hard the whole time, but fun the whole time to me.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: So well that's well, that's good.
23:21
SPEAKER_02: That's very interesting.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: I've asked that question to a lot of the in interviewees that I've had, and it's very interesting how everyone works such a different way when creating their sound and the way that I that they approach it.
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SPEAKER_02: As well as with making tracks for you, is there a specific procedure or steps that you take first when making a track?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, how do you approach making a new sound?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh I it's it's a bit different every time.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: Like to me comes again like sound design.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, I because I uh as you can tell, I I've released a strands track, uh, I've released more like a hard bounce, like no signal, it was more in the hard bounce area or like uh like really hard techno with like a reverse bass.
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SPEAKER_00: But um but I think the bass usually kind of sets the tone for me, and then I I can build and also like for mastering purposes is like since it's the thing that takes the most space or it is kind of the most anticipated in your song, I will go with that first, uh, knowing that if the if that doesn't hit right now, uh well kind of like it's the drop of the song, like it's uh people don't really won't care as much about the other things, although I I I do give a lot of thought in everything in the song, but um usually like the bass, I I I'll start with the drop, kind of like set the tone.
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SPEAKER_00: Um but I I will and because of my kind of witch house, like like the the the earlier years, like I'm really good at orchestral intros, like really uh emotional intros.
25:05
SPEAKER_00: I don't have much release right now, like in that spectrum, but uh so it really depends again, but uh I will start with the drop mostly uh say with the drop first and just kind of work around it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you plan on including any like witch house elements into your now techno music?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh definitely, but I definitely I I've I've heard kind of uh because you you you'll find this more in the I feel like the hardcore, like Northern Europe, uh, or like almost uh Eastern Europe kind of uh Soviet vibes.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, like you see a lot of like kind of EDM, like Russian EDM songs with uh a lot of Witch House incorporated in it.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: So I I've seen people do it a lot.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: I I kind of maybe try to do my twist uh get it at some point.
26:06
SPEAKER_02: Well I can't wait for hearing that.
26:08
SPEAKER_02: Is there any upcoming tracks that you're working on that you can share?
26:13
SPEAKER_00: So I have a more like uh groovy song.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: I I really like hard groove too.
26:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm all over the place all the time, so but um there there's like a very groovy song I have in the oven right now, and uh just I'm kind of tweaking for having like a a good master, and um like the mixing is kind of done.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh now I'm just trying to find space so it kind of blasts, you know.
26:41
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: So it's hard hard bounce, you said?
26:48
SPEAKER_00: Is that uh so uh Nolfingal is kind of more hard hard bounce.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: Um well and the the song I'm working on right now is gonna be called uh Kermes.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: Kermes is like uh a French fair uh you're gonna um uh you'd find like in the medieval uh ages, like very similar like in the theme of my persona.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: Um and it it really has kind of this uh chaotic, there's like jungle sounds in it, uh and it's just very, very groovy.
27:22
SPEAKER_02: I'm very big fan of jungle.
27:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it it's it's like it's like uh ambient jungle sounds, not like jungle jungle rig.
27:30
SPEAKER_02: But I could have even even better.
27:32
SPEAKER_02: Jungle ambience is always a great touch.
27:35
SPEAKER_02: Have you heard of Have a Nice Life?
27:39
SPEAKER_00: Huh?
27:40
SPEAKER_02: Have you heard of the band Have a Nice Life?
27:42
SPEAKER_00: No, it kind of rings a bell, though.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're this I think it's a duo, but they are very much of in the ambient rock and metal.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: And they like he's a historian, history teacher.
27:56
SPEAKER_02: So he likes to include a lot of history in his album covers as well with the songs that he writes.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: So I think he'd be really into that.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: That sounds like something I I I'd like to check.
28:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:11
SPEAKER_02: And speaking on the subject of albums, what inspires your album artwork?
28:17
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, so um my boyfriend's uh uh as I was saying, is like a creative director in his uh in like advertisements, so he's got like a lot of uh act at Photoshop.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: Um so I kind of rely on him for aesthetics, but I do have kind of uh I I have a few like uh usually it's not too colorful.
28:42
SPEAKER_00: Um just some something that's kind of aerie.
28:47
SPEAKER_00: So uh as long as it kind of translates in that direction, I'm I I'll usually like what he he brings out.
28:56
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's good that you have a helping hand, and especially in this time where a lot of um graphic designers and all that can get pretty pricey with all these times.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: So it is very you're very much I'm very grateful.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, very grateful and like and set to have someone that can support you.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: That's so support you behind that.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm very my boyfriend has been uh the uh absolutely the biggest support in the three last three years.
29:24
SPEAKER_00: Um I always have a lot of for just everything.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh been like been like a big healing process for me too, like music and everything has been like a big part of that.
29:35
SPEAKER_02: So that's really great.
29:39
SPEAKER_02: That's really great to hear.
29:41
SPEAKER_02: Would you happen to have any funny stories or events with that kinda you would like to share?
29:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um uh just um well it it's not exactly a story, it's not it's not like anecdotal, if that's like a an English word, uh a proper English word.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, sometimes I mean a bit limited, but um No worries.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: Well it was anecdotal?
30:07
SPEAKER_00: Like it's not like a it's not exactly like a story time, it's more like just a fun fact.
30:13
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: All right, new terminology.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: So um the like right as we're speaking right now, there's probably just three people in the world that knows me personally.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: I do music.
30:28
SPEAKER_00: Like my parents don't know I do music, uh, my friends don't know I do music.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: I've been I've been keeping this freaking secret.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I've been really happy keeping it a secret.
30:42
SPEAKER_02: Just like that's really good.
30:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: That's really good that you're happy.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't be embarrassed if they found out.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: It's just like it's been such like a healing process for me that I just really don't want anyone's opinions on it.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: Um or like I I don't want to like uh refrain from like going in like vulnerable places just because people I know are gonna see this, you know?
31:09
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that I'm not exactly embarrassed, it's not that, but it's just that ununderstandable, understandable.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: I think that is very much of a unique factor.
31:19
SPEAKER_02: I don't think I've ever heard of that.
31:21
SPEAKER_02: It's a crazy thing to like even like think.
31:23
SPEAKER_02: And for you to have been doing it for three years.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like three years of in-secret.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: It kind of it's it's it's funny to me.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: I I kind of like that, like the that it's like that rental.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, and then so what what do they think you do like as a hobby?
31:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know, they don't ask.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: So don't ask, don't tell.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: No, I I work like also outside of music, I work.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: So um I work like just working on work.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I work like a white-collar job.
31:59
SPEAKER_02: So very giant, uh giant genre, hard-hitting genre for a white-collar job.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: Nah, exactly.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: So um, but like and I don't know, I just kind of like I like my music not meddling with my functioning, you know, uh high-paced life.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: So I I kind of, you know, I work full-time, so like nobody like kind of questions.
32:24
SPEAKER_00: It's like my friends usually at the time I'm like mixing on the decks, or it's like I'm on my laptop on Ableton, like they're probably just watching series, um, or like going to the gym.
32:37
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, so yeah.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: Which is fine.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: Which is fine.
32:43
SPEAKER_02: Just two different complete worlds.
32:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:45
SPEAKER_02: Two different worlds that that are right there.
32:48
SPEAKER_02: Well, you said you've used a variety of um sorry, plugins like from serum and synth one.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: Other than serum, is there one that you find that you think is a favorite that you use a lot?
33:02
SPEAKER_00: Other than serum, I'm a big uh like I I'm pretty big on the like mixing mastering plugins.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh just uh I have Q3, uh Fab filter.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh uh use it every time.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: I I have uh Su2 is a big game game changer.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh really?
33:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you can use South 2 to like side chain.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: So instead of like uh compressing your whole like like sub-mixing group or like just like side chaining the whole mix to like your kick, because like you want that pump.
33:38
SPEAKER_00: Well, you can just use sooth two and just go like go dig uh a few frequencies uh just to give space like the let's say to your bass according to like the kick or other than side chaining, can you hear compression?
33:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh well I can kind of uh I can hear compression if it's like obvious, but if it's just to catch it, it depends what you're doing with it.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: Like if I'm side, yeah, uh as you're saying, if I'm you're side chaining, obviously I I'm gonna hear it work on the other tracks, but um well uh on a single track, usually no.
34:21
SPEAKER_00: Um it depends like on multi-band compression.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I'm gonna I'm just gonna like pull pull the bass to have the master clip, then I'm gonna hear it, you know, or I'm gonna hear the effects of it on the mix.
34:35
SPEAKER_00: Um but like if it's just like P like clipping those those little like I wouldn't hear it.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: But sometimes if you heavily like compress the sound, like you're gonna you're gonna kind of I don't know, it kind of like distorts it or something, you know?
34:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:55
SPEAKER_02: So would you say that you find you take joy as you know some would quite might find mastering and mixing somewhat of a chore, like oh now I have to go and mix and master.
35:07
SPEAKER_02: Do you find like your time as uh just as enjoyable as making the music when mixing and mastering?
35:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh I I I find it super enjoyable.
35:18
SPEAKER_00: I think that I shouldn't I I should probab possibly like need someone to my master my stuff.
35:26
SPEAKER_00: Like I I don't think well I think it's possible to do it all yourself.
35:31
SPEAKER_00: Just if you want to be efficient, do the production or have get get like contracts to mix and master for like friends or or or like uh colleagues or anything.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: So I've mastered for the the best masterings I've done is for other people.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: Um and the best mastering that my works got was from other people.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: So uh having like different pairs of ears in the chain is the best in my opinion, but it's it's not impossible to have a perfect like landing, do it all yourself.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: Um but it's just I don't know, like I I see it as like a drawing.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: If you're drawing and you're not one once in a while like asking for feedback, like people are gonna see the mistakes you're not seeing, you know.
36:18
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that is a good way to look at it.
36:21
SPEAKER_00: So like in in terms of proportions, like you like it's more like in the bigger picture, like you you sometimes need a second uh opinion, you know?
36:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a second pair of ears for that.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: It might be like a very much of a uh of a preference, and some might say one version is better than the other, but when you're mixing and mastering, is it done through monitors or through headphones?
36:46
SPEAKER_00: Um I have uh I have monitors at home.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: Um it's for me, I I'm really not equipped like Sonic Z to like I have the DT 77 uh 770s, if I'm not mistaken.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: And uh I have like console monitors.
37:06
SPEAKER_00: These were like gifted to me four years ago, something like that.
37:10
SPEAKER_00: So it's definitely not like the like the studio standard stuff, but um, so it I I think it's just mix and master on many like go get a lot of like inputs, like go in your car, uh go in different rooms if you're uh I I sometimes mix and master on my MacBook speakers, and they've been they they've proven like kind of uh reliable just in terms of like uh sometimes like sometimes I'm just gonna build a song on my MacBook speakers and then I try them on different other mediums and it kind of it's kind of like uh astonishing how like well it it came out, you know.
37:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I can't remember the last time I used MacBook speakers or anything music related.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: It's just to me like I get really tired easily and I I I don't want to go deaf, so like as as m a a big part of like the the production chain, like if I'm just on the piano roll, I'm on my MacBook speakers, like fuck it.
38:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm not I'm not gonna go deaf.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't want to go deaf too too quick, you know.
38:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, with that ringing in your ear.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:20
SPEAKER_02: The quietness.
38:22
SPEAKER_02: Now another uh truth switching gears again onto another topic over into the struggles.
38:29
SPEAKER_02: First, you've been you've been in the game for about three years.
38:32
SPEAKER_02: You have obviously had to come across any writer's block or like almost even a falling out of music.
38:42
SPEAKER_02: And I'm pretty sure people kind of don't really know what to do when something like that happens.
38:48
SPEAKER_02: How do you get out of a writer's block or when times are tough when making music?
38:53
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, that's an insanely good question.
38:57
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't think I've been blocked yet.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: I know it's gonna come.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: But or either either it's it's just that I I have the tools, maybe it's a not block, but to me sometimes like I can go long periods without without focusing on getting final products.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's just like the work needs to be done on your tools that you have.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: Like, so I have a bank of MIDI's that come for me.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: I have a bank of where you're like the the searching you do, um, the music you listen to is kind of all part of the curating, create, creative process.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know, I've I'm always inspired.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: I it it's probably gonna come.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: Like uh I'm not saying I'm a I'm a saint, but uh um I think like kind of if you're blocking, just focus on like four bars.
39:56
SPEAKER_00: No, focus on like uh one bar, you know, like the uh focus on like warping uh a bass in a certain way, and then you're gonna have like a detail for for a song, or you're gonna come up with a motif, you're gonna come up with like or like record your like I I also do a lot of like vocal processing, like uh not not for I saw Benchi, it's gonna come maybe, but uh like I was working on vocal chains.
40:22
SPEAKER_00: I I used the like I I figured out kind of a a vocal chain that sounds like Porter Robinson with like MIDI harmonizing and so just taking those little breaks to just do shit, you know, just like four bars.
40:39
SPEAKER_00: And uh it kind of brings uh it kind it's it I think it's the best moment to find yourself also there, and not just always like landing finished products and like it's not hitting and yeah, obviously like go back to the to the base, you know.
40:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's very it is very what's the word I'm looking for, uh very good, and you are very much fortunate and not lucky, but how quickly you pick up things because interviewing you now, knowing that you've mixed for other people, you've picked up sound design, music theory at such an early stage in your career of three years is an insanely awesome feature that that pushes you and builds onto your story and your character.
41:27
SPEAKER_02: I I haven't sold a beat since I was like till I was maybe like maybe five years and like the three-year mark, I was still just like writing stuff down without a mixing and mastering.
41:40
SPEAKER_02: Do you think that the more you advance in your career, you'll definitely want to experiment with a whole bunch of new things like hardware design with in in-person sense?
41:55
SPEAKER_00: Can I ask you just a repeated question?
41:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, I got a a bit of a a bug in my uh no worries.
42:03
SPEAKER_02: So pretty much, do you later on in your career, do you see yourself sticking to the methods that you're using now to continue to get the job done?
42:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, at some point I think if I want to like be professional, I'm gonna have to to like because I I do I don't do this professionally, like um, and I don't really monetize my music right now or like I I've benefited from a lot, but like uh at some point I I think I'm gonna have to kind of market myself.
42:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh I think that's what's gonna start that's where it's gonna start changing for me, like um, or like really fixing a price.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: Well, that that's kind of where the DJ comes in.
42:46
SPEAKER_00: It's just like once I start making gigs, I'm gonna start I feel like that's where the curve is gonna is gonna pick up for me.
42:56
SPEAKER_02: So um did you excuse me, did you start DJing when you started I saw Banshee or did that come early on or later?
43:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh I bought the the I bought a flex for a year ago.
43:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
43:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:12
SPEAKER_00: I wanted the DJ a really long while ago, but uh I don't know, I I got into production, I was like, I'm gonna learn this stuff like from A to Z.
43:22
SPEAKER_00: Um and then I don't know, is it it's so it's so hard to like put it in words.
43:29
SPEAKER_00: Is this uh I don't know last three years?
43:31
SPEAKER_00: I kind of uh I was one just wandering around and like I was like one day I have my boyfriend, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna learn DJing.
43:38
SPEAKER_00: Like I could play my stuff on I I could literally mix my own stuff, you know.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: I've got like a a library of songs, like for sure.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: So like yeah, so uh flex four uh a year ago and then now I kind of upgraded uh sometime this week.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna I'm gonna start uh playing on X DG.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: DJ's all and that is a jump.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: That is a big jump.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: Yes, uh very much.
44:09
SPEAKER_02: So for three years now, three years making music, two years DJing.
44:13
SPEAKER_02: What would you say are some of your strengths and weaknesses when it comes to those two hobbies?
44:22
SPEAKER_00: My strength is but well, possibly my strength is just always feeling inspired.
44:28
SPEAKER_00: Um also like it it's never been affect I've never really been affected by like following counts or likes or like approvals.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: So like to me it's just I'm gonna keep going and like uh nothing really kind of affects me.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: Uh I've got people questioning my my art.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: Doesn't really affect me either.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: So like that's kind of my strong point.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: My weakness is it's such a good question.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: Like I I I mean uh my weakness is that I'm not uh at my full potential, you know?
45:06
SPEAKER_00: It's like uh my my mixes are still aren't perfect.
45:10
SPEAKER_00: Like I I feel like I know a lot, but um and I I I will release a song even if I think a mix isn't like perfect or a mastering is perfect, but um yeah, I I'd say uh just technically I'm not I'm not at my full potential, but uh I want to get there.
45:29
SPEAKER_02: And you say that the uh mixing aspect is kind of what's holding you back from being your full potential of what you can be right now?
45:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or like um just uh I don't have like I need to meet people that that could mix my my stuff, you know.
45:45
SPEAKER_00: I I I feel like that would bring out like the mo the best potential of uh or or as I was saying, like having a second pair of ears or like like very reliable ears um to like have a direction in in that sense, but uh I do it myself for now and people enjoy it.
46:03
SPEAKER_02: People people aren't like uh giving comments on on the mix and master, so I'm like, well, okay, so like uh yeah, the ears all ears are different, all can hear some things that others can't, and some prefer different tastes and different you know, might some might prioritize the bass hits over the kicks, and vice versa.
46:24
SPEAKER_02: Totally how how would you say the music scene is over there where you're at?
46:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh Montreal is really has always been really good.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: Um and not just for techno, but just like events in general.
46:39
SPEAKER_00: Um nightlife in Montreal is amazing, honestly.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: I I don't go out as much as I I used to, but um because now yeah, I like I I got like responsibilities and and stuff, but uh you know we we've got like stereo, we've got the the red red room that that plays techno like pretty consistently.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: Um we have uh oh we have picnic electronic, like it's kind of uh a very popular event in Montreal.
47:10
SPEAKER_00: Like I'll I'll go at least like twice in the summer just to have a good time.
47:14
SPEAKER_00: And there's it's been like cloudy, like I think she played last week.
47:19
SPEAKER_00: Um uh yeah, there's like a bigger DJ's now coming uh to Montreal, just like like on the Pac Jean Rapot.
47:28
SPEAKER_02: So uh well it's good that they're they're going over seeing these new places and locations and playing sets for the fans that they have over there.
47:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm absolutely sure, of course, that mixing on DJ decks is much of a different art than making music.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: What would you say your strengths and weaknesses are on the decks?
47:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh experience might would be my my weakness.
47:58
SPEAKER_00: Like I I'm learning every day again.
48:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know like during a gig, like if something goes wrong, like I I don't know if I'm gonna be able to like save it, but uh there's only one way to know if I get booked.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: But right now, like everything's going pretty smoothly.
48:18
SPEAKER_00: Um I think my my strength would be to well I've always been someone that's had like the off-score the uh past me like in the car, like in parties.
48:32
SPEAKER_02: I've always been like the music selector, so like I I kind of stretch my my selections uh so you've had a really broad palette of music that you that you've been listening to, not specifically with what you make, but outside of techno and witch house, is there anything that you find yourself listening to that kind of puts you in a creative mood that makes you want to experiment with dispens sounds?
49:03
SPEAKER_00: Such a good question.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm big on metal, uh big on new metal.
49:08
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if uh the mask kind of like rings a bell to you, but uh I was big on like slipknot.
49:14
SPEAKER_00: Um big uh like so I I even like in my dubstep era, I was like sampling like gore grind like songs and just have like intros to like my like dubstep drops and uh and stuff like that.
49:31
SPEAKER_00: But so um metal has been like kind of metal and rock in general was the the music my parents kind of introduced me to when I was young.
49:40
SPEAKER_00: Um then like through my teenage years it was mostly like EDM.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh so it kind of goes uh like and I'll listen to a country song, you know, uh if it's good.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I I I got friends who attend like stamp peace and stuff, like I'll go uh with them.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: Like I'll I'll I'll definitely enjoy myself.
50:03
SPEAKER_02: That's good.
50:04
SPEAKER_02: That's good.
50:05
SPEAKER_02: It's very I'd say that of definitely a wide variety of genres of music absolutely impacts a person and creativity as well.
50:15
SPEAKER_02: How much creativity from outside things do you want to put into your music?
50:23
SPEAKER_02: Like any sound effects and foley of like texture onto there and oversampling sound effects over bases?
50:33
SPEAKER_00: Um well it it differs.
50:36
SPEAKER_00: Each project has like its needs, if that kind of answer the the question.
50:41
SPEAKER_00: Like and always like I I think the it's always gonna stem from like an outside like another's people's work or like like I I really like the the website like um what's it called the archive uh online.
50:59
SPEAKER_00: I'll just go dig through that.
51:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh like this picture, I'm gonna uh it's gonna like set the mood, I'm gonna start a track.
51:08
SPEAKER_00: Um if that kind of answers the question, uh you you you'll see a lot of inf like outside influences indirectly kind of uh incorporated in my in my works.
51:23
SPEAKER_00: I I I I use sampling, I love sampling too.
51:26
SPEAKER_00: Um I have like shaper box, uh I also believe like in intellectual honesty.
51:33
SPEAKER_00: So like I'm I'm not just gonna sample something and like start monetizing it either.
51:38
SPEAKER_00: Um so like I I'm trying to be careful uh finding like samples that are like uh either free to use or royalty free or like uh that I have the right to.
51:55
SPEAKER_00: I sample a lot of my old works in my new work, if that makes sense too.
52:00
SPEAKER_00: I have like sometimes like I I I have like produced like were sung uh songs like in G Minor like two years ago, and then I'm producing an EDM track and I'm just like oh let me go see if like the the vocals like work on this track.
52:15
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it works, or sometimes I'm just chop chopping like the the vocals like I'm reusing stuff.
52:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that is great.
52:22
SPEAKER_02: I know it's a lot adds a whole new flavor in the music when you take things from previous work and you could put it in there and change it up.
52:32
SPEAKER_02: And those like have those ears that can recognize like oh that's from that sound.
52:37
SPEAKER_02: And you as well knowing that like you're kind of like the only one that knows that that is from that other song.
52:43
SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like a little Easter egg in in your work.
52:46
SPEAKER_00: Definitely, yeah.
52:47
SPEAKER_00: That's uh but yes, I uh well just like sampling is an art itself.
52:53
SPEAKER_00: Um and also like if you're not monetizing it, just release a song to me.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: Like that's a just like uh but I don't know, I it's just like a touchy area, you know.
53:04
SPEAKER_02: It's uh sometimes very much of an eggshell area.
53:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
53:10
SPEAKER_02: Are there any go ahead?
53:14
SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
53:14
SPEAKER_02: Are there any samples that you like working with or any specific stuff that you look for?
53:20
SPEAKER_00: Samples?
53:22
SPEAKER_00: Um well right now it's just uh like well really like in kind of like identifiable samples, like as a because I use samples sometimes, like uh I was saying like for symbols or um I've had a bit of like a phase where I I was looking on splice.
53:41
SPEAKER_00: Like I I've had this uh definitely have like samples from splice that I'm gonna try to pin as much as I can.
53:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh sometimes I use shaper box uh or just like you you put it in simpler sampler, um you reverse it, whatever.
53:58
SPEAKER_00: Like you there, there's there's many things to to do sometimes with splice samples, but um otherwise, like not like uh Internet Archive.
54:10
SPEAKER_00: Uh is that is that the is that the name of this website?
54:13
SPEAKER_00: I think it's Internet Archive.
54:14
SPEAKER_02: I believe it is.
54:15
SPEAKER_02: I don't think I know what you're talking about.
54:17
SPEAKER_00: I think I said archive online, but uh um there probably exists too.
54:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh there's like tons of weird techno stuff on there.
54:28
SPEAKER_00: So uh I I I sample a bit from there, just like you know, kick rolls or like really weird sounds that I'm pretty sure they sample from other places.
54:38
SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of uh um yeah.
54:44
SPEAKER_02: Now this we're gonna get a little bit, not seriously, but we're gonna get a little bit on the controversial side right here.
54:50
SPEAKER_02: Just uh what I've been asking my my guests here is of course now the times now are a lot different from the times before in the aspect of promotion and advertising.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:05
SPEAKER_02: You can't really burn a CD anymore and pass it out.
55:08
SPEAKER_02: Now we kind of have to monetize off of social media and dancing in front of cameras and just a lot of introverts stuff.
55:16
SPEAKER_02: So I just wanted to know what how do you feel about how do you feel about that?
55:24
SPEAKER_02: Like how different it is now?
55:27
SPEAKER_00: It's such a good question.
55:29
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's I think it's just it we don't build we don't build the same thing anymore.
55:38
SPEAKER_00: It's just not like timeless.
55:41
SPEAKER_00: It it doesn't give like timeless products anymore.
55:43
SPEAKER_00: Like it's always been about like building products, like fine, you know, when once labels were higher, well we're signing artists to like kind of build or construct something with them.
55:55
SPEAKER_00: Now it's more like prove yourself that you you got something that can retain someone's attention and we might sign you.
56:03
SPEAKER_00: So you see artists like I'm not gonna say names.
56:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm not like I I I love everyone, you know, but you see a lot of artists that kind of you know it's definitely just because like people have something to say or they can like they just have something that can retain your attention.
56:23
SPEAKER_00: So it's just like anything that's kind of dopamine like inducing, or it's just like in the search of this specific thing that I I I can't really put into words, it's just not it it doesn't do greatness anymore.
56:39
SPEAKER_00: Um so and that's kind of where I'm trying to link with the advertising and stuff, it's just like I do too post reels, I I I do the marketing, I'm trying to get out there, but I think my goal is not to build the biggest following, it's just contributing, like people know I exist, and uh I'll get at some point bookings in Montreal.
57:02
SPEAKER_00: And once I once I get this this kind of channel going, like I I just want to contribute in my scene and see like I'll already be satisfied with that, you know.
57:15
SPEAKER_00: So but and I don't know if that answers your question.
57:19
SPEAKER_00: It's just but yeah, it's kind of something you have to do, and I I do agree, like it's also beautiful that like small creators can put themselves out there um now and get like the some really good artists get get signed, some really like questionable like marketing stuff happens too, you know, like with other people, you know.
57:40
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I kind of w I want to piggyback off what you said as well, how it's accessible to smaller artists.
57:49
SPEAKER_02: I believe that is a lot because I believe where I sit with it is social media advertisement and promotion is a great thing for those who don't have the funds for professional promotion and advertising.
58:06
SPEAKER_02: It's accessible to everyone, but the difficulty within it is that because it's so accessible, there is gonna be a lot of competition out there and a lot of how you have to be distinctive from one another.
58:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
58:20
SPEAKER_02: Especially with sound and the way how you approach it.
58:26
SPEAKER_00: You're seeing without a lot like there's a lot of saturation, as you're saying.
58:30
SPEAKER_00: Like there's a lot of um, like people will see like a content format like uh I don't know, like this style of like aesthetic.
58:39
SPEAKER_00: Like you're you're seeing maybe like in hyperpop or uh even techno, you're seeing a lot of the like in pe like people don't want to like diverge, they wanna go where the algorithm kind of works, you know.
58:53
SPEAKER_00: Um but uh and uh just to like complete with what you were saying, but it it is also where we're we're gonna find like the artists that kind of go sideways and it works, you know.
59:07
SPEAKER_00: Um so I don't know, it's uh it's different times as you're as you're saying, and it's inevitable.
59:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
59:16
SPEAKER_00: We have to deal with it, but uh, I think just stay true to like what you wanna as artists we should just stay true to like what we wanna project, the message we want to send, and uh just pose that pose the reels, but it's as a DJ, like it's it's you have to contribute, you know, to like the experience for everyone, um, and not just saturate like the the market, you know.
59:41
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I might be wrong.
59:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I'm not I don't I'm not like a saying to I don't believe there is no right or wrong answer.
59:49
SPEAKER_02: It's really just an uh an opinionated question, everyone has different thoughts.
59:53
SPEAKER_02: So I believe everyone absolutely people will agree with you, some people won't.
59:57
SPEAKER_02: But that's really like the beauty of it that you'll have people that stand behind you.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_00: Totally.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_02: And we are reaching that time here at the end of the episode now.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_02: It does go by so fast.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_02: That's that's what I've noticed with these.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_02: That's what I've noticed.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_02: If there's one more question before we can wrap things up here.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_02: Three years into three years in the game, what would you tell your past self just getting into music?
1:00:30
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_00: I'd say uh go for it.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_00: You're you're going the right way.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're doing the right thing.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_00: Um something I've always wanted to do as like a little girl, I've really just listening to music.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_00: Like I've always felt like it's kind of an art form I wanted to do.
1:00:50
SPEAKER_00: It's not super accessible as an art form, like you have to go through theory or you have to get like the gear.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, so once I was like more in my late teens where I started having money, could afford maybe like a DAW.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh well, if I had to consult my later self, like my older self uh at the time, uh and my older self would have said like go for it, like you're go spend that money, you're you're gonna enjoy it.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_02: That's a good note.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_02: That's a good note.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_02: Of course.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_02: Is there anything that you want to plug in or tease any new music coming out?
1:01:31
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, so uh maybe a uh a nice little hard groove uh song named Kermit that's uh in the oven right now.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_00: Um I'm pretty uh it's gonna be more like uh a bit more DJ clips on more uh serious gear uh as of now.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I'm still kind of like uh trying to find really like a distinct distinctive sound.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_00: Like I really want to like push uh so I'm a bit more in the trial-error phase, but like there's gonna be something more groovy, but I think I might go back to like more um zort of like very violent uh area, you know, with with a song uh for the next project.
1:02:22
SPEAKER_02: All right, new releases, new clips coming soon.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_02: And we'll we'll all be excited to catch up on it and see you grow from here on out and just support you and be with you behind your support and on your musical journey.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you so much.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_02: Of course, thank you for coming on.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely pleasure, and thank you, listeners, for tuning in on today's first episode.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_02: Very excited and glad to be able to get this ball rolling that I've been wanting to do for a while.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_02: And I hope you guys had just as much of a fun time listening to Banshee and her whole journey and plans for the future as much as I did.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_02: And I hope to see you guys on the next one.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.