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Yer a Wizard, George | George Burroughs · Beheaded

0:04
SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
0:06
SPEAKER_02: Welcome to season four, episode six.
0:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm Megan Moore.
0:10
SPEAKER_02: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
0:11
SPEAKER_02: And we know the perfect recipe for getting red wine out of light rugs.
0:18
SPEAKER_01: Which is, in my opinion, club soda and salt, but we don't know until tomorrow if that actually worked.
0:26
SPEAKER_01: Lemon-flavored club soda.
0:27
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if the flavor's a good idea.
0:30
SPEAKER_01: I feel like lemon is an extracting flavor.
0:32
SPEAKER_01: I mean, lemon is something people use to clean with, right?
0:36
SPEAKER_01: Like lemon water and vinegar.
0:39
SPEAKER_01: It's in like a pine sally.
0:40
SPEAKER_01: We did some dish soap type of flavor.
0:43
SPEAKER_01: We dabbed.
0:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think we got it out pretty good.
0:46
SPEAKER_01: We can't lift it up because we have a what do you call this?
0:49
SPEAKER_01: A bench?
0:50
SPEAKER_01: What is this?
0:51
SPEAKER_01: Footrest.
0:53
SPEAKER_01: Small bench.
0:54
SPEAKER_01: What is this?
0:55
SPEAKER_01: It's a footstool.
0:56
SPEAKER_01: It's a footstool.
0:58
SPEAKER_01: It also looks like a small bench, and it is over the stain, so we can't actually access the stain and look at it right now.
1:05
SPEAKER_01: You'll send me a picture tomorrow.
1:08
SPEAKER_02: So I am notoriously clumsy.
1:11
SPEAKER_02: Like I it doesn't matter my state of mind, level of intoxication, nothing makes a difference.
1:17
SPEAKER_02: Since I was a child, I have never been trusted with any type of liquid or anything.
1:22
SPEAKER_02: I've broken valuable things, I've broken non-valuable things.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: I will say though, you're good at replacing things you break.
1:29
SPEAKER_02: I always replace what I break, and I'm like very calm, cool, and collected.
1:33
SPEAKER_02: Like I just literally spilled an entire really that was cool.
1:37
SPEAKER_01: Right now, yes, you were.
1:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm saying, but I've seen you when you break things frantically, be like, oh my god.
1:43
SPEAKER_01: And you fly around the rooms and you're looking for towels and dustpans.
1:48
SPEAKER_02: I have a system.
1:49
SPEAKER_02: What are some of the worst things I've broken?
1:52
SPEAKER_02: Um, a full bottle of white vinegar.
1:55
SPEAKER_02: You did?
1:56
SPEAKER_02: Wait, in your collie.
1:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh no, you broke pickle jar in your collie.
1:59
SPEAKER_02: I broke the pickle jar in my car.
2:01
SPEAKER_02: The white vinegar in my kitchen.
2:02
SPEAKER_02: This was an entire glass of red wine on my like carpet.
2:06
SPEAKER_02: That was a big glass.
2:07
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
2:07
SPEAKER_01: And we I don't know if we've mentioned this before, but when we record and we drink wine, I always have a stemmed wine glass with me.
2:14
SPEAKER_01: And Megan just she can't do stems.
2:16
SPEAKER_01: She has to have a stainless or a stainless, should be stainless, stemless wine glass with her.
2:22
SPEAKER_01: Because she can't, she can't, she don't like the stem.
2:24
SPEAKER_02: Literally not allowed to have a stemmed wine glass.
2:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm 33 years old and no one will let me.
2:30
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I I think I've mentioned this too, but like um on our podcast, but I've like learned to when I'm like at dinner or lunch with Megan, like to move things around the table as she's like talking with her gestures and her hands.
2:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm slowly like, okay, yeah, I'm like listening and I'm making eye contact.
2:45
SPEAKER_01: I just slowly move things around the table.
2:47
SPEAKER_01: I get animated.
2:48
SPEAKER_01: My husband calls me slips.
2:50
SPEAKER_02: Slips is good.
2:51
SPEAKER_02: He's always called me slips.
2:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:53
SPEAKER_02: I knock on wood.
2:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:55
SPEAKER_02: I've never broken a body part, a bone.
2:59
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
3:00
SPEAKER_02: But like I fall all the time.
3:02
SPEAKER_02: I fall.
3:02
SPEAKER_02: I've I have very big feet.
3:05
SPEAKER_02: Except for your stature, your feet are larger.
3:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm five foot one.
3:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:09
SPEAKER_02: I have a shoe size women's eight.
3:12
SPEAKER_02: That's pretty big.
3:13
SPEAKER_02: Like, okay, you're you are petite.
3:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm also five foot one and a half.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: You're five foot one and a half.
3:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:19
SPEAKER_01: And I wear essentially children's shoes.
3:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what size?
3:23
SPEAKER_01: Like what, a four?
3:24
SPEAKER_01: Like six, like women's six are too big for me.
3:27
SPEAKER_01: So I usually do like a five and a half, sometimes five, depending on the brand of shoe.
3:32
SPEAKER_01: But I've learned I can kind of get away in like like girls' shoes.
3:36
SPEAKER_01: You're petite.
3:37
SPEAKER_01: I know.
3:37
SPEAKER_01: Tiny feet.
3:38
SPEAKER_01: It's funny when like tall people see my shoes and they're like, oh my god.
3:42
SPEAKER_01: Like they hold it up by one little like finger, and they're just like, what is this thing?
3:46
SPEAKER_01: Like who whose doll shoe is this?
3:48
SPEAKER_01: And like it's mine.
3:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm always opposite when it's like shoes in this show.
3:53
SPEAKER_02: No, I don't know.
3:55
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm always like, I go to like go bowling and I'm like, oh size eight.
3:59
SPEAKER_02: I sometimes I have some like running shoes that are eight and a half.
4:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
4:03
SPEAKER_01: That's large.
4:05
SPEAKER_01: Kind of large.
4:05
SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, I think I own my large feet to my clumsiness.
4:09
SPEAKER_02: Like hobbit feet.
4:10
unknown: Yeah.
4:11
SPEAKER_02: But hobb yeah.
4:12
SPEAKER_02: And I just kind of spill shit.
4:14
SPEAKER_01: Well But I'm I I've broken several things of yours.
4:18
SPEAKER_01: But you again, like I said, you always replace them.
4:20
SPEAKER_01: I have these really cool, like modern things I've broken.
4:24
SPEAKER_01: Well, no, no, no.
4:25
SPEAKER_01: Just the one that sticks out because you've broken the same thing multiple times.
4:29
SPEAKER_01: I have these like um they're champagne flutes, but they're like the modern kind that are like, how do I describe this?
4:36
SPEAKER_01: They're more like a cylinder rather than like the classic champagne flute shape.
4:40
SPEAKER_01: They have like um straight lines on the bottom.
4:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was hard to describe.
4:44
SPEAKER_02: They're flat.
4:45
SPEAKER_01: They're like flat, they're champagne flutes.
4:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like a sh it's like a cylinder attached to a really skinny stem.
4:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:51
SPEAKER_01: And they're like flat everywhere.
4:53
SPEAKER_01: Um, and I don't know, that's a terrible way to describe it, but I hope you kind of get what I'm saying.
4:57
SPEAKER_01: Um but Megan, I think you've broken that like that specific glass at least three different times.
5:03
SPEAKER_01: But it's funny because every time she breaks one, she buys a set of two.
5:06
SPEAKER_01: So I actually have like too many because you're just always like, no, I'll replace them, but you always replace one with two that come in the pack.
5:13
SPEAKER_02: Amazon keeps recommending it as like.
5:19
SPEAKER_02: Clearly, you buy this once a quarter.
5:21
SPEAKER_02: I do.
5:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I think that says something about the the structure of the glass, too.
5:27
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
5:27
SPEAKER_02: I mean, there are this um the Dobby glass.
5:31
SPEAKER_02: The Dobby glass is my I it's like you've you've mentioned this before.
5:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
5:36
SPEAKER_02: My favorite wine glass.
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SPEAKER_02: Every podcasting night, like it's my glass.
5:40
SPEAKER_02: I always drink out of it.
5:41
SPEAKER_02: There's a little hand a hand etching of Dobby from Harry Potter on the front.
5:47
SPEAKER_02: And I got it at the Renaissance fair.
5:49
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you broke this.
5:50
SPEAKER_02: I remember.
5:51
SPEAKER_02: I broke the first one.
5:52
SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
5:53
SPEAKER_02: Because it had a stem.
5:56
SPEAKER_02: The first one had a stem because it had the green stem on the bottom.
6:00
SPEAKER_02: You're right.
6:00
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
6:01
SPEAKER_02: And I love it because on the back she drew a little sock.
6:05
SPEAKER_02: Like he wants to get the sock in the back.
6:07
SPEAKER_02: And it's this artist, she's so cool.
6:09
SPEAKER_02: She's at the Renfair and she'll do whatever you want.
6:11
SPEAKER_02: She'll hand draw, hand etch any type of glasswork.
6:16
SPEAKER_02: And so I broke my first one and I went back, and then I was like, I'm getting stemless this time.
6:21
SPEAKER_01: I forgot.
6:21
SPEAKER_01: You I think you broke that like your first use, right?
6:24
SPEAKER_01: Like one or two uses.
6:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I like this one better because I liked the smoked glass.
6:30
SPEAKER_01: It's like kind of a gray tint.
6:32
SPEAKER_01: It's really pretty.
6:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, our wine tonight is Moon X.
6:37
SPEAKER_01: Moon X.
6:37
SPEAKER_01: We took some cool like fire pictures.
6:39
SPEAKER_01: We did.
6:41
SPEAKER_01: It's a full moon tonight, or was that last night?
6:43
SPEAKER_01: Oh, is it?
6:45
SPEAKER_01: It was last night.
6:46
SPEAKER_01: For sure.
6:47
SPEAKER_01: I think it's now finally um waning.
6:50
SPEAKER_02: Should I ask?
6:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
6:51
SPEAKER_02: Let's see which Siri I get tonight.
6:54
SPEAKER_02: I get a new voice every time.
6:55
SPEAKER_02: Hey Siri.
6:59
SPEAKER_02: No voice.
7:00
SPEAKER_02: Nothing.
7:02
SPEAKER_02: Siri Mike.
7:04
SPEAKER_02: What kind of moon is it?
7:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's because my volume is down low.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: Hey Siri.
7:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh crap.
7:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm on, I'm on.
7:24
SPEAKER_01: It's a hot, it's a hot night.
7:25
SPEAKER_01: It's a full moon.
7:26
SPEAKER_01: Today is a full moon.
7:28
SPEAKER_01: What is the moon phase today?
7:30
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I found this on the web for what is anything?
7:33
SPEAKER_00: Oh crap, I'm on, I'm on, it's a hot, it's a hot today.
7:37
SPEAKER_00: Check it out.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: Is that what we just said?
7:44
SPEAKER_02: And why is the first result Lana Del Rey heroin lyrics?
7:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, oh my god, it's so hot.
7:56
SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
7:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what just happened.
8:01
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
8:02
SPEAKER_02: Alright, well, it's a full moon.
8:04
SPEAKER_02: We have moon wine.
8:05
SPEAKER_02: We are clearly crazy.
8:07
SPEAKER_02: I spilled half the bottle of wine.
8:10
SPEAKER_02: We're fine.
8:10
SPEAKER_02: Okay, this is a 2020 red wine from California.
8:15
SPEAKER_01: This juicy superdone swine is inspired by the total blackness of a new moon.
8:20
SPEAKER_01: Oh, we can't drink this now.
8:22
SPEAKER_01: It says a lunar phase occurring when the sun, earth, and moon are all aligned, loaded with intense flavors of blackberries, black cherry, and dark chocolate.
8:30
SPEAKER_01: Moon X is the perfect wine to enjoy with roasted meats, barbecued anything, chocolates, or just by itself.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: It's a big description for something that's on the bottom shelf of our$6.99 at Troy Chelsea.
8:41
SPEAKER_02: Wow,$6.99.
8:43
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
8:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, okay, well, hey, while we have our wines, raise your glass.
8:48
SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
8:48
SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
8:49
SPEAKER_02: To moving into your new home, Elizabeth.
8:52
SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth Black in our new house.
8:55
SPEAKER_01: I had to sip because it's unlucky to sip after you toast.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: I mean, unlucky to not sip after you toast.
9:01
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
9:02
SPEAKER_01: So officially moved into the new house.
9:05
SPEAKER_01: It is very exciting.
9:06
SPEAKER_01: It's still not like done, done.
9:08
SPEAKER_01: So we still have contractors kind of coming, coming in and out to finish the master bath, uh, primary bath, excuse me.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: But it is beautiful.
9:16
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
9:17
SPEAKER_01: It's so beautiful.
9:18
SPEAKER_01: You went you went for the first time this week.
9:21
SPEAKER_01: And I just I love it.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: It's not again, it's not like obviously 100% done, but the bones are there, it's all there.
9:28
SPEAKER_01: Like getting a lot of furniture delivered this week.
9:30
SPEAKER_01: It's exciting.
9:31
SPEAKER_01: I love the floors and the lighting, and Robbie's getting his like chef's island, whatever delivered dark floors, white walls.
9:41
SPEAKER_02: It's actually really cool furniture you're you're picking out.
9:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
9:44
SPEAKER_01: And I've knocked it before, like being like, oh, Robbie's really basic and the design's like basic, but it's not.
9:50
SPEAKER_01: It actually comes together really well, I think.
9:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:52
SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a nice clean canvas that you're creating, and you can add whatever elements you want to add to it.
9:59
SPEAKER_02: So it's gonna be beautiful.
10:01
SPEAKER_02: Nathan got me a lovely basket, a welcome home basket.
10:04
SPEAKER_01: A welcome wagon basket.
10:06
SPEAKER_01: And it and like Robbie was blown away.
10:08
SPEAKER_01: He was like, he was like, wow, this is really nice stuff.
10:11
SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, it's like a like a welcome basket.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, but no, like this is really good.
10:15
SPEAKER_01: Like, wow.
10:16
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm glad he liked it.
10:18
SPEAKER_01: It was like a marble cutting board.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: It was a really cool, almost coffee table looking book called Death and Co, which was a bunch of different cocktails, and it's like the covers almost like that's not black velvet, but it's like a cool black black canvas.
10:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like I had to redeem myself because we always talk about our coffee table books, and you've been out coffee tabling me.
10:38
SPEAKER_02: No, so I had to do like a nice bar cart style cocktail.
10:42
SPEAKER_01: It was uh Jack Daniels, like pralines, right?
10:46
SPEAKER_01: Some like nuts, some like nuts, and some beautiful, like what do you call it?
10:51
SPEAKER_01: The champagne bottle was my favorite.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: It's like a medieval champagne bottle.
10:55
SPEAKER_02: You got me two bottles of champagne.
10:56
SPEAKER_02: One of the things that we've got to do to drink, one was like whatever, one was like cool metal.
11:02
SPEAKER_02: We still haven't opened it.
11:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you shouldn't.
11:04
SPEAKER_02: You should never open it.
11:06
SPEAKER_02: If I ever come and I see it's gone, you know, we had a nice teasing now.
11:10
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, you should.
11:11
SPEAKER_02: You should open it.
11:12
SPEAKER_02: But I always say, like, moving is the most stressful thing.
11:16
SPEAKER_02: And the best feeling is that first night when you're like, I feel like I need to relax.
11:20
SPEAKER_02: Like, I feel like this is becoming home.
11:21
SPEAKER_02: And you kind of have like your first movie night and you know, your pizza or whatever, and then like you pop open like a good bottle, and it feels about it feels like you're home.
11:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is it is great.
11:32
SPEAKER_01: And once these contractors kind of give out get out of our way, it'll definitely feel more, you know, like settled.
11:37
SPEAKER_01: Like today for podcasting, I was like, Megan, I need to come over early because like contractors are here all day, and I just like can't be here answering questions all day while I'm working.
11:45
SPEAKER_01: You know, so I came over early, which was nice.
11:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, hopefully, and we have friends visiting this this week because it is we talked about this, it's like Super Bowl Bowl this weekend and waste management open and all of that in Phoenix, which it's always a madhouse.
12:02
SPEAKER_01: Like this is the craziest week of the year if you're in Arizona or if you're visiting Arizona.
12:06
SPEAKER_02: Not even the year, like this is since I've lived here in the past six years.
12:10
SPEAKER_02: This is the trifecta of everything happening this weekend.
12:15
SPEAKER_02: No, no, yeah, it's insane.
12:17
SPEAKER_02: Jake and I went out this weekend just to like go get coffee in our like downtown area and couldn't find parking.
12:24
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, who are all these fools?
12:25
SPEAKER_02: And then Jake was like, It's every tourist who's ever wanted to visit.
12:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:30
SPEAKER_01: Even when you and I, because we went to Trader Joe's together today to get like our wine and snacks for this episode, and the guy, what did he say to us?
12:37
SPEAKER_01: He's like, So you in town for all the festivities?
12:39
SPEAKER_01: And we're like, No, no, we're avoiding the festivities.
12:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, we had a cryptic response to him.
12:45
SPEAKER_01: You were you were so funny.
12:46
SPEAKER_01: This is poor guy just like checking us out trying to make conversation, and Megan's like, We're getting these things for something different that's not what's in town right now.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, we do things on our own that doesn't involve other people, and we do weird things with ourselves with wine and snacks.
13:02
SPEAKER_02: And he's just like, I'm so sorry that you make me ask this question.
13:06
SPEAKER_01: I literally we were like, we were like we were just like saying something together at the same time.
13:11
SPEAKER_01: So she's describing that, and I'm like, I'm so sorry.
13:13
SPEAKER_01: We're just you know, she's being weird, she's being cryptic.
13:17
SPEAKER_02: I'm always I always give them a hard time.
13:19
SPEAKER_02: I love the Trader Joe's people, but they like so good with their small talk, and I like to make it just a little weird.
13:25
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes that's a little uncomfortable where they're like, maybe I shouldn't ask people what they're doing anymore.
13:30
SPEAKER_01: That's true.
13:30
SPEAKER_01: And honestly, when I answer, like, you know, truthfully, it's it it's almost weirder.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: Because there's one time I went to Turter Joe's before I came over, and they were like, Oh, like like wine and cheese night, like what's all this?
13:42
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, actually, like my friend and I, we have a history podcast, and I've done that, and I like describe it way too, and they're like, Okay, like they don't care, they don't ask what it's like.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's actually about executions, and they're like, Okay, well, I'm just gonna pack these up for you, and they try to get you out really quickly and nothing.
14:01
SPEAKER_01: Why does no one care?
14:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's almost uh it's almost better giving a weird answer than the straightforward truth because they care, they don't care at all about the truth.
14:08
SPEAKER_01: They're like, that's nice, bye.
14:09
SPEAKER_01: Weird.
14:10
SPEAKER_02: They scare people, yeah.
14:13
SPEAKER_02: But tonight we are here with our listeners.
14:17
SPEAKER_02: So we don't scare you.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: If you have listened to us before, we thank you for not being too scared.
14:25
SPEAKER_02: If you if this is your first time listening, I'm so sorry.
14:28
SPEAKER_02: Normally you do about 15 minutes of talking about nothing whatsoever.
14:34
SPEAKER_02: Our lives are nothing, and we just want you to be your friend.
14:39
SPEAKER_01: It's very bleak.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: All of our lives are nothing.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: We have nothing to live for.
14:44
SPEAKER_02: And this is all there is.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: No, wow, okay.
14:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's a full moon.
14:48
SPEAKER_02: We're a little weird as normal.
14:51
SPEAKER_02: We have moon wine.
14:52
SPEAKER_02: Moon wine.
14:53
SPEAKER_02: And we are talking about witchy things tonight.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: Yay! It it's been a while since we've covered anything around the occult.
15:03
SPEAKER_01: And today we are gonna return to good old Salem, Massachusetts.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: Hee hee hee hee.
15:10
SPEAKER_01: And we promise we're not just like reprising our episodes from the first season.
15:14
SPEAKER_01: This is a totally different character that we haven't talked about before.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, because in our first season we talked about three different people that were executed at Salem, you know, on a witchcraft charge.
15:25
SPEAKER_01: This is also a person who was involved in the witch trials, but we have not covered this story before.
15:31
SPEAKER_01: It is essentially brand new.
15:33
SPEAKER_01: We did listen to it, it was episode two of our first season.
15:37
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: Aside from the acoustics, talk about torture.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: I kind of forgot because we always joke about like when we were on guitar hero microphones.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: This is an episode where we actually did like our customer service like headsets.
15:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:52
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
15:53
SPEAKER_02: We were, um, we didn't yet have our blue Yeti microphone, which is our precious Iron Maiden precious girl here.
16:01
SPEAKER_02: Beauty, beauty.
16:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh, she's beautiful.
16:03
SPEAKER_02: But no, we were trying like the first episode, we were glass tables, hardwood floor with microphones.
16:10
SPEAKER_02: We had no no structure, no concepts.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: Just giggling.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: We just went for it.
16:17
SPEAKER_02: Just me talking over Elizabeth and laughing really hard.
16:21
SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: We still do that.
16:24
SPEAKER_02: I still do that.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: No, you don't do that.
16:25
SPEAKER_01: We still just laugh hard.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: We try we try to curb it.
16:28
SPEAKER_01: We try not to be that giggly, but it's hard.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: Just very funny.
16:33
SPEAKER_01: Anyway.
16:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, so we re-re-listen to that, and actually the content isn't like bad.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: A lot of it we go on tons of tangents like we normally do.
16:42
SPEAKER_01: But in general, um, I think we kind of covered the basic facts of Salem witch trials.
16:47
SPEAKER_01: So to give you the long and short short of it, and we'll kind of, you know, talk about this as the episode goes.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: But total, 20 people, maybe 19, were executed.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, between essentially the spring of 1692 and the spring of 1693.
17:03
SPEAKER_01: Does that sound about right for you?
17:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: Well, there were 19 people hanged.
17:07
SPEAKER_02: One person who was stoned.
17:09
SPEAKER_02: Who we talked about press, sorry, pressed.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: There's a difference.
17:13
SPEAKER_02: Stoning means that they threw, pressed means they pushed the rock on him.
17:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:17
SPEAKER_02: And that in itself we were laughing about because that was one of the main people that we were talking about in our episode.
17:25
SPEAKER_02: And gosh, we called him.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, we did have a discussion about the pronunciation of his name.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: We you were the smart one, and you're like, I think it's Giles.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: And I said, No, no, it's Giles for sure.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, we talked about people we knew with that last name.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: We can maybe insert a little like excerpt from that episode.
17:43
SPEAKER_02: We also didn't say that until the end of the episode.
17:46
SPEAKER_02: So the whole episode, we're like, Giles Corey.
17:48
SPEAKER_02: Like Gowler.
17:52
SPEAKER_02: Are we saying it right too?
17:53
SPEAKER_02: Is it Giles or is it Giles?
17:55
SPEAKER_02: It's not Giles.
17:55
SPEAKER_02: No, we discussed this.
17:56
SPEAKER_01: I just see.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: Maybe there's one person out there who's like, oh my god, it's Giles.
18:01
SPEAKER_02: I knew a girl whose last name was Giles, and it was spelled the same.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: I knew a dude whose last name was Giles, and I'm pretty sure it's Giles.
18:07
SPEAKER_02: Maybe she was saying her name wrong the whole time.
18:13
SPEAKER_01: But we were listening to a lot of documentaries tonight, and I think unanimously everyone called him Giles, so we apologize for that pronunciation.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: You guys know us by now.
18:22
SPEAKER_01: So, Giles Corey was one we talked about.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: Gentleman who was pressed in the Salem witch trials for not admitting his guilt.
18:31
SPEAKER_02: We're thinking of making a montage of just all of our mispronunciations.
18:35
SPEAKER_02: That would take hours.
18:36
SPEAKER_02: It'd be hard to go through.
18:38
SPEAKER_02: We're at like 56 episodes.
18:40
SPEAKER_02: Pretty good.
18:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
18:41
SPEAKER_02: Of all mispronunciations.
18:42
SPEAKER_02: It's okay.
18:43
SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, yeah, let's take a step back.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: So, as Elizabeth said, the Salem Witch Trials.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: Obviously in Salem, Massachusetts.
18:51
SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
18:52
SPEAKER_02: It started in 1692, and it was after a really harsh winter.
18:57
SPEAKER_02: It was one of the coldest winters that the East Coast had seen.
19:01
SPEAKER_02: And this is, you know, America's not America yet.
19:05
SPEAKER_02: They're colonies.
19:06
SPEAKER_02: The colonies, and they were not even the colonies, were they?
19:09
SPEAKER_02: No, they were, because Massachusetts was.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, I think technically at that point, yeah.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: But this was pre-Revolutionary War, you know, Americans just getting settled.
19:19
SPEAKER_02: They're Puritans, yes, and they're a little bit afraid of everything.
19:23
SPEAKER_02: And so after the harsh winter is when the accusation started, was in February 1692.
19:29
SPEAKER_02: Right.
19:29
SPEAKER_02: Altogether, about 200 people accused, 19 people hanged, one person pressed, two dogs.
19:37
SPEAKER_02: We mentioned that in the first episode.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: I was very caught up on the dogs.
19:41
SPEAKER_02: I still am.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: Do you investigate more into the dogs this time?
19:45
SPEAKER_02: I did.
19:46
SPEAKER_02: I don't have names, I don't have breeds.
19:47
SPEAKER_02: Dang.
19:48
SPEAKER_02: But why do I even care about them?
19:50
SPEAKER_02: One dog was killed, was shot.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: Because I know, because one of the stupid ass little girls who's like, it's bewitching me.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: Um, the she claimed the dog bewitched her.
20:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she claimed that the neighbor's dog was bewitching her.
20:05
SPEAKER_02: All dogs bewitch me, Megan.
20:07
SPEAKER_02: But some background.
20:08
SPEAKER_02: So they thought that witches and wizards and warlocks had animal helpers, and dogs were a very like, you know, like my dog is obviously.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: She made a path with someone.
20:22
SPEAKER_02: She's possessed for sure.
20:25
SPEAKER_02: Might be the devil, I don't know.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: But they were, they said, like, if you were a witch, you normally had your little animal helper.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: I think that's where the idea of the witch with the cat came from.
20:37
SPEAKER_02: Or in Harry Potter, like you can bring an owl, a cat, or a toad.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: Like you always have your little animal helper.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
20:43
SPEAKER_02: So they thought the dogs were a part of it.
20:45
SPEAKER_02: Leave the dogs out of it.
20:47
SPEAKER_02: Terrible.
20:47
SPEAKER_02: They shot the dog during the trial, and of course the dog dies.
20:52
SPEAKER_02: And then Cotton Mathers, one of the ministers during the Salem Witch trials, goes, Well, guess he was innocent because a devil dog does not die if I were to have shot it.
21:03
SPEAKER_02: And that goes back to the whole how they were testing who was innocent and who was guilty.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: The whole thing, and I'm sure this isn't news to anybody.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: This is just kind of us just like gasping over what actually happened in our history of time.
21:18
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:18
SPEAKER_02: And this wasn't just in America.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: This is it really started like um King James the First was uh a really spearhead and was afraid of witches.
21:28
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:28
SPEAKER_02: He really started it in England.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: This is a worldwide pandemic, not pandemic, epidemic.
21:37
SPEAKER_02: Pandemic is worldwide.
21:38
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: I had it right then.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: Is that the difference?
21:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, epidemic just means it's like in your area.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: Or, you know, I guess nation would be an epidemic, but pandemic is worldwide.
21:49
SPEAKER_02: Sixteen hundreds was a a pandemic of witches.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: And and a accusation.
21:55
SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, the first dog they shot, they found out and you know, is either They were testing you to be a witch, and so uh you either died from their tests, and like, oh, guess they weren't a witch, right?
22:08
SPEAKER_02: Or if you were to say you were to somehow survive their test, like being shot, then you're witch, you were a witch, and then you'd be executed.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: Right.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: And we talked about this in our um first Salem episode too.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh that sounded weird.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: First episode, episode two.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
22:26
SPEAKER_01: First, first time we did the first Salem episode, it was also episode two.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: But I meant I meant also.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: I got it.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, um, but in that episode, we talked about how like one of the tests was like sink or swim.
22:42
SPEAKER_01: Like witches couldn't f was it float?
22:45
SPEAKER_01: No, it was it was essentially they drop a witch or a accused witch in the water.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: No, if you were a witch, you would float.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: You would float, yeah.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: And if you died, they'd be like, well, I guess she wasn't a witch, but she's also dead.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: And dunk you.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: So great, great test, Puritans.
23:02
SPEAKER_01: Really coming in clutch there.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: It's so bad.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: It's so sad.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: It is.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: Did you have uh a follow-up on the second dog?
23:10
SPEAKER_02: Oh, the second dog was the second dog, I don't know who it belonged to, but it was one of the accused, one of the victims who was executed.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: Was their dog, so they assume that was the helper.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: Okay, like the animal helper.
23:28
SPEAKER_02: So then they executed the dog.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: By shooting.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: What did it say?
23:31
SPEAKER_02: Sounded like by shooting.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: I don't even know.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: They said the first one was for sure by shooting.
23:35
SPEAKER_02: Which yeah, they had guns in the 1600s.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: I'm thinking like pirates and musket.
23:40
SPEAKER_02: Musket.
23:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, musket they would have had.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: Ugh.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: Terrible.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: Well, our episode tonight, we're gonna focus on a human by the name of George Burroughs.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I realize I never introduced him.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's okay.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: Again, we wanted to give kind of a a context for this era, and we'll talk more about it as we go on.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: But uh our our man of the evening, our guide tonight is George Burroughs, who was born in 1650.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, a lot of accounts say that he was actually born in England, in Suffolk, England.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: Some say he actually might have been from Virginia.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: So it's hard to say because at this time, again, not a lot of documentation.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: People are coming straight over from England to the Virginia area, to the colonies, and that's kind of where they're getting started in America.
24:22
SPEAKER_01: But he was raised um in Massachusetts in Roxbury, like Night of the Roxbury, the 90s movie, um, by his mother.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: So pretty bright kid.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: Again, grew up with his mother um and eventually attended Harvard.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: You might know it.
24:38
SPEAKER_01: I've heard of that.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: This is before it's Harvard University, it's just called Harvard College.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: It's a small, small little place where all the bright kids go in town.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, and he graduated in the class of 1670.
24:49
SPEAKER_02: So That sounds so weird.
24:51
SPEAKER_02: 1670.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: I hope he wondered if he was in a fraternity.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: 1670.
24:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's like, what Okay, what what what was going on in Harvard at that time?
25:01
SPEAKER_02: Like what kind of sports did they have?
25:04
SPEAKER_01: Oh, he actually was an outstanding athlete for sure.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: So what did he do?
25:10
SPEAKER_01: Well, he didn't he didn't have basketball or modern football.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: Baseball.
25:16
SPEAKER_01: I think I don't know if it was baseball yet, even I think it's no baseball.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's no baseball yet.
25:19
SPEAKER_01: It was cricket.
25:20
SPEAKER_01: I think like cricket existed and boxing.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: Let's look it up and wrestling.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: Wrestling, like great the the stuff that you they would do with the Olympics, I think like running and yeah, wrestling.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: That's not a sport, is it?
25:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean, no disrespect.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: It's just not a physical thing, more cerebral.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: When did cricket start?
25:43
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Cricket was first played in the 16th century, so 1500s in England.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: So I'm sure, yeah.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: So he was appro apparently a great athlete, but not as an athlete as you would think of today, just more of the old school type of sports.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think there's anything else.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: You're you were we talked about this beforehand a little and you were like, maybe jousting.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, could you imagine jousting at Harvard?
26:04
SPEAKER_02: I don't think they had the Harvard joust team.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: I think they were trying to like separate themselves from the influence of England and not like not lean into that.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, but he was really known as an outstanding athlete, so scholar athlete.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so he after he graduates Harvard, goes on to become a minister of Salem Village.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: And this is an interesting little like fact, but we were trying to figure out what the difference was between like Salem Village and then Salem, Massachusetts, as it is today, because Salem Village actually is now Danvers, Massachusetts.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: So picture like modern, and again, if you're not from there, it's okay because we're gonna kind of illustrate this, but modern Salem, Massachusetts is like a port city, so it's still Salem to this day, and like right kind of up the coast and more inland was something called Salem Village.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: So Salem kind of expanded all the way to there, which is again modern-day Danvers, Massachusetts, and there was a big distinction between Salem Village and like Salem Town, because Salem Town was like merchants and more wealthy people, and they had direct trade with England, so it's that's like kind of the big settlement of the day.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: Whereas Salem Village was more just like farmers, like not a lot going on down there.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: So he became a minister for Salem Village, so smaller town, he's about I'd say 30 at this time, and he's officially he's officially an American congregational pastor.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: But pretty quickly he becomes kind of disillusioned with this community because they were again were a poor community of farmers, they failed to pay him wages, and he had a wife who suddenly died at 1681 when he was 31 years old.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: So he had to actually um borrow money from another local named John Putnam to pay for her funeral, his wife Hannah, R.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: A.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: P Hannah.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, and shortly after he actually had to resign from his post and leave Salem because he couldn't really repay his debt.
28:00
SPEAKER_01: He wasn't getting paid, his wife unexpectedly dies, you know, and so he already was in his early 30s and kind of had this idea of like, wait, like I I educ was educated at Harvard.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: I came here to be like, you know, this local spreader of goodwill, and really I support the community, they support me.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: And he felt like he was being a little bit run out of town because he was not making money, and all of a sudden he had this big debt, and they weren't letting him forget it.
28:25
SPEAKER_01: They weren't necessarily being like cool about it, like, hey buddy, pay us back whenever.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: They were kind of breathing down his neck about this debt.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: So he quickly remarries because in this era, you didn't, if you were a widower, and especially if you had no means, you kind of had to quickly like get the next wife going.
28:40
SPEAKER_01: Um so he quickly remarries and leaves town.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: So he leaves in 1683, and at that point he's 33, and he moves to a place called Falmouth, Maine, which is now Portland, Maine.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: Still very much.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: It's pretty well known.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, so he kind of tries to set up his new life there with his new second wife.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: However, our poor Joe George Burrough, he has really bad luck, and that town was destroyed.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: Literally, a bunch of um natives came.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: I believe it was the Wabanaki tribe, come and they destroy his town.
29:14
SPEAKER_01: And you have to remember that, again, the United States isn't the United States yet.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is a bunch of settlers coming from a new world into these native communities.
29:23
SPEAKER_01: So they're trying to get run out of town all the time.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: Like it's a very common occurrence.
29:26
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like as they should.
29:28
SPEAKER_02: Right.
29:28
SPEAKER_02: Like But what a way to live.
29:30
SPEAKER_02: It's kind of scary.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: Either way, you know, whether you're the native or whether you're the person coming over, it's like you're always kind of like, okay, who's gonna run me out of town?
29:38
SPEAKER_01: Like whose land is this?
29:39
SPEAKER_01: Who's laying claim to which parts?
29:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, so the Wabanaki come and they they essentially run him out of town in 1690 when he's 40 years old.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: So he had a few years of peace, but then he eventually moves on to Wells Main, which I believe is further up coast.
29:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm not exactly sure where Wells Main is.
29:56
SPEAKER_02: I should know.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: We talked about this in our first episode our sorry, our second.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: Isn't that hard to say?
30:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:02
SPEAKER_02: Our second episode of season one.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: Where I grew up in New Hampshire.
30:07
SPEAKER_02: So I was always like visiting Salem and Boston and Maine, and that was just kind of like my stomping ground, I guess.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: Like our summer vacations was always in these East Coast cities, which I love and they're beautiful.
30:19
SPEAKER_02: Love Maine.
30:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, and I haven't been back for a few years now.
30:23
SPEAKER_02: I went back in 2019.
30:25
SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say your 30th birthday, you went there with I did.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but I had to laugh in our last episode when we were listening back to it of you just saying how like you got to go to Salem, but you just went to Dunkin' Donut.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: I hate that.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: Uh I told the story in that episode.
30:40
SPEAKER_01: But all I wanted for like my whole life is to like have a Halloween in Salem, Massachusetts.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: And we had to selfishly go to a wedding.
30:48
SPEAKER_01: Not us selfish, them selfish.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: These these bastards, I can say that now because I don't like them anymore.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: Oh, so if you know Elizabeth Black, you got married on Halloween.
30:59
SPEAKER_01: They got married on November 1st.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: Assholes.
31:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, everyone's hungover.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: Like, well, no, but they're like, I like my ex-boyfriend was in the wedding.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: So we had to go on Halloween to their fucking rehearsal dinner.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: I literally feel like they're still angry.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: I am still really mad.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: This was so long ago and nobody cares but me.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: But like, I literally had a costume in my purse the whole night because I was like, we're going out after this.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm going to a pub.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: What kind of tiny ass costume did you keep in your purse?
31:30
SPEAKER_01: That's a great question, Megan.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: It was a red flapper dress with a little red feather sequin like headband.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: It was a small, you know, you could just tuck it in.
31:38
SPEAKER_01: So I told my ex-boyfriend the whole night, I was like, we're going out, we're going out, I have my costume in my bag, let's go.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: We didn't go out, and then he took me to Dunkin' Donuts in the morning, and that's the time that we spent in Salem Mouse.
31:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: Megan, I put my Bruno Snuggie.
31:58
SPEAKER_01: You ruined my retelling of the Duncan story.
32:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
32:01
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: Do you want to put more club soda and salt on it?
32:05
SPEAKER_02: Let's pause.
32:06
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: So sorry about that.
32:09
SPEAKER_02: Okay, Megan strikes again.
32:11
SPEAKER_02: Flip.
32:12
SPEAKER_02: Is that what they call you?
32:13
SPEAKER_02: I put my um my Snuggy on, my Snuggy goggles.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: This Snuggie is a problem officially.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was cute two episodes ago.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: This thing is being flung all over the place and pouring over Dobby glasses.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, the wine spilled again.
32:27
SPEAKER_01: Not a cool story, apparently.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: Story's done.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: Long story short, I was mad.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: Because you're at Dunkin' Donuts in Salem.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: But now I live with Robbie in our new house and everything's lovely, so everything works out for a reason.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: And Robbie, if you're listening, which I know you're not, someone tell him I want to go to Salem Mast on a graveyard tour during Halloween, please.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: I feel like that's an easy request.
32:47
SPEAKER_01: You would think.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: We'll see what this year has in store.
32:51
SPEAKER_01: God, I'm gonna be 35 this year.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
32:54
SPEAKER_01: I know.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: But okay, I like 30.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm like really excited for 35.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: Alright, so officially uh our man George Burroughs is in Maine.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: Um and just a little bit of background on who he is as a person and like what type of man he's becoming, because we already know that he's athletic, right?
33:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, even through all these trials and tribulations, it is said that he's a very confident man.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: He's very strong-willed, very decisive, and very much a man of action.
33:21
SPEAKER_01: So it seems like even though he is kind of getting these tough breaks in life, he's still very much like a leader and people generally respect him.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: You know, obviously, as a as a pastor, people do listen to him.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: He's well spoken.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it didn't help or didn't hurt that he was in fact more muscular and kind of attractive to the lady.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: Well, and he was a minister, right?
33:42
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if we really emphasize that enough, but he was a minister.
33:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:45
SPEAKER_02: Well, I just said he was a pastor.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sorry, he was a pastor.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think they're interchangeable.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:51
SPEAKER_01: So again, he says something about someone though.
33:53
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: Like man, man of God, you know, very much a leader.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, also, like, I mean, just for me, because obviously we've talked about this, I'm attracted to the short Italian man.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: He's a he's dark complex, he's shorter, he's just you know, a robust, like handsome man.
34:11
SPEAKER_01: Um What do you think his actual personality was like though?
34:15
SPEAKER_01: Well, he's a Harvard man and an athlete.
34:17
SPEAKER_01: I would say I would like him.
34:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I wonder if he rubbed people the wrong way.
34:22
SPEAKER_01: If he was He might have been like like cocky, you think?
34:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: Probably.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: But I mean, he's moving to these smaller and smaller towns, so I'm sure as he moved along, there's these like groups of small town Puritans who are like, again, yeah, I would say rub the wrong way, maybe.
34:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's moving into small towns and he's a minister, which seems like a funny profession for him.
34:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I wonder if he thought about being something else, anything else.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: He was like, I don't know, this is it.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to be a blacksmith, so here we are.
34:54
SPEAKER_01: I guess so.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: There's like not that many jobs.
34:56
SPEAKER_01: There's like five jobs you can choose from, so I guess pastor was the one.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: Um also at some point when I I don't know if this was in Maine or right before they moved uh to to Wells, but his second wife, Sarah, also dies.
35:11
SPEAKER_01: So now he and again, this is where obviously with history, you don't have all the details, but it's said that he is now like married to wife number three.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: We don't even have her name, but it is confirmed that he had wife one and two, and that the second one potentially died.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then there might be a third in the picture.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: But finally on May 4th, 1692, which we talked about with a very significant year in Salem, he is arrested.
35:38
SPEAKER_01: They go and they capture him, which you brought this up, Megan, but they they say that he was taken while he was at dinner, kind of like the blood countess episode we did.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: He was at dinner and he was in Maine.
35:50
SPEAKER_02: And then all the way from there.
35:51
SPEAKER_02: They the Salem wish trials is full on in full force.
35:56
SPEAKER_02: And he has to be a pretty, like, kind of like leave a legacy to be in Salem and to leave to go to Maine.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: He got ran out by Native Americans and then moved and actually got ran out again.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: Like the guy just I felt like didn't have good luck.
36:15
SPEAKER_02: And then he gets arrested while he's at dinner and they drag him back to Salem.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: And I think the reason why they arrested him was because and we're gonna talk about this, but and in in our earlier episode we mentioned these girls, the mean girls, you know, of 1692.
36:31
SPEAKER_01: But these are the girls that are just pinpointing out people who are witches and warlocks.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: And so I don't know if it was one of these girls or multiple of these girls, but they said that they started to have visions of their old minister.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Creepy, I think.
36:45
SPEAKER_02: I think there's more to it.
36:46
SPEAKER_02: Remember that attractive minister we had?
36:49
SPEAKER_02: Why did why did these girls call out his name when he wasn't even living in the same state?
36:55
SPEAKER_02: He's gone.
36:56
SPEAKER_02: He was in Maine, he ran away.
36:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: I think he did something shitty, but who knows?
37:01
SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: But they remembered him either way.
37:04
SPEAKER_01: They did.
37:06
SPEAKER_02: One of the girls was Anne Putnam Jr.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: Her uncle was John Putnam.
37:12
SPEAKER_02: The one who paid for the funeral.
37:14
SPEAKER_02: Yes, the one who paid for the funeral.
37:16
SPEAKER_02: So he was in debt with John Putnam and he had these this deficit and the money issues that he was having.
37:22
SPEAKER_02: So who knows?
37:23
SPEAKER_02: Maybe Anne overheard her uncle talking poorly about him and being mad that this man didn't pay him back.
37:30
SPEAKER_02: Right.
37:31
SPEAKER_02: Or did something weird happen when he was the minister.
37:34
SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
37:34
SPEAKER_02: There's not a lot of talk about his character.
37:38
SPEAKER_02: And we'll get into a little bit of the accusations and what these girls were saying that why he was a wit uh wizard, which warlock, wow.
37:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:47
SPEAKER_02: Of magical sorts.
37:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, but one of like one of the reasons, for example, was that he murdered his two wives.
37:55
SPEAKER_02: Well, allegedly.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: Allegedly.
37:57
SPEAKER_02: That was one of the accusations is that he murdered them.
38:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
38:00
SPEAKER_02: And the girls were saying this.
38:01
SPEAKER_02: They were like, well, he butchered them, he he choked them, he he did different things.
38:06
SPEAKER_02: None of their stories matched, right?
38:08
SPEAKER_01: None of the stories matched up with each other.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: Like multiple of the girls who were starting to accuse people of witchcraft um came forward, but all of their stories were like, oh, he suffocated his first wife and he stabbed his second wife.
38:19
SPEAKER_01: And then another girl would say, Oh, you know, he choked his first wife.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: Or, you know, so all of the stories were different.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: And they said that they only knew because his spirit came to them in the middle of the night and confessed all of the bad things that he had done.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: So that's why they're looping him into all this in the first place.
38:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it was a little bit eerie because when they did finally go and arrest him to bring him back to Salem for trial, there was like this big thunderstorm that happened.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
38:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:47
SPEAKER_01: This was really interesting when I read it.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: And there's some really cool pictures online too of like what the thunderstorm looked like and like their little carriage and you know being blown in the wind.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: And they were like, this is even more proof that he's a warlock, that he's a wizard, because if you know, if he was an innocent man, like nothing would have changed.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: Why did this violent storm come right when we're getting him, this minister who's for sure witchery?
39:12
SPEAKER_02: Well, and they say quote, th they, them.
39:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:17
SPEAKER_02: So they make him out to be this bad character who kills his wives.
39:21
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: While none of that is actually proven, and he probably didn't kill his wives.
39:26
SPEAKER_02: Right.
39:27
SPEAKER_02: Let's said he wasn't that great of a husband.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: So, like, who did he upset?
39:32
SPEAKER_02: He definitely upset somebody.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: And at this point, I'm playing a devil's advocate over here.
39:37
SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying, you're you're defending him, which is cool.
39:39
SPEAKER_02: I think he's handsome.
39:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
39:43
SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
39:44
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I never thought I get don't get me wrong.
39:47
SPEAKER_02: Every single person executed in the Salem Witch trials was totally innocent.
39:51
SPEAKER_02: Right.
39:52
SPEAKER_02: Everything is false charges, but I don't know.
39:55
SPEAKER_02: And this comes out.
39:55
SPEAKER_02: They had it out for him.
39:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying, like, I've and this goes back to what we talked about and in our second episode was Rebecca Nurse and Giles Corey and his wife.
40:07
SPEAKER_02: They were already the kind of the ones who stood out in town as the like the unlikables.
40:13
SPEAKER_02: People had it out for them in some one way or another, whether they were just the cranky neighbor or they were misunderstood, there was something about them that rubbed people the wrong way.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: Right.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: And these five young girls who started all of it, and they were throwing these fits and these tantrums and these crazy accusations, and so-and-so showed up in the middle of the night and they cursed me and they're working with the devil, and I saw them dancing naked in the forest, and whatever these crazy accusations were, it all stemmed from an unlikable person.
40:42
SPEAKER_02: And it's just like thank God for like what modern trials?
40:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was gonna say for like checks and balances and modern trials and having a jury of your peers.
40:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
40:54
SPEAKER_01: Because that clearly wasn't a thing in 1692.
40:57
SPEAKER_01: No.
40:58
SPEAKER_01: And when they did finally bring him to trial, their evidence was pretty shaky.
41:04
SPEAKER_01: So some of the evidence was his feats of strength.
41:09
SPEAKER_01: They were literally like, no man on earth can be this strong as this guy.
41:13
SPEAKER_01: Hercules.
41:19
SPEAKER_01: Sounds handsome.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth.
41:21
SPEAKER_01: Do you have pictures of him?
41:22
SPEAKER_01: I don't, but I have an idea.
41:25
SPEAKER_01: Um so they said that they had seen him in town, like ho like hoisting big barrels of uh cider, like ho ho hoisting big barrels of molasses, and that proved his strength.
41:37
SPEAKER_01: I think you know you mentioned that that he there was a gun that he picked up with a single finger or something like that.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: This was the main point of his trial.
41:46
SPEAKER_02: They they instructed him, which seems like such a weird, but whatever.
41:50
SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's the sandwich trials.
41:51
SPEAKER_02: They made them do weird shit.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: They made him hold up a musket with a f using a finger through the barrel.
42:01
SPEAKER_02: And like, wait-wise, that's not supposed to work out, but somehow he did.
42:06
SPEAKER_01: I think he had his arm like fully extended, so they're like, lift this up with one finger, and he was able to with one finger.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: It's like physics, I don't know, it's beyond me.
42:15
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: It worked.
42:17
SPEAKER_02: So they're like, wizard.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: Wizard, like, no wizard, George.
42:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no man could have this type of strength.
42:24
SPEAKER_02: That's just oh, side note though, yeah.
42:26
SPEAKER_02: Fun fact in the words of Elizabeth, that musket was in a museum.
42:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh, in uh Massachusetts.
42:35
SPEAKER_02: Salem.
42:36
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
42:37
SPEAKER_02: Up until like 1850 or so.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: And then there was a fire and it burned with it.
42:42
SPEAKER_02: But it actually they kept the musket that they used in the trial that he put his finger through and held up, so but now it's gone.
42:49
SPEAKER_02: So anyways, yeah.
42:51
SPEAKER_01: Well, um, yeah, so that was that was kind of the biggest evidence against him was that he was unnaturally strong, which is super ridiculous.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: But they also pointed to the fact that he'd only baptize his eldest child and he didn't baptize any kids after that.
43:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that is weird.
43:05
SPEAKER_01: If you're a if you're a minister, well, he was a disillusioned minister.
43:10
SPEAKER_02: They also said he like wasn't going to church and whatnot.
43:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:13
SPEAKER_01: Like they asked him like a dark-turned minister.
43:16
SPEAKER_01: Well, they asked him when the last time was he attended communion, and he was like, I don't know.
43:20
SPEAKER_01: Um lie, dude.
43:22
SPEAKER_01: You gotta lie.
43:23
SPEAKER_01: I don't understand.
43:24
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think again, like, I think after his first job as a minister when he wasn't getting paid, you know, and he was in all this debt.
43:31
SPEAKER_01: Like, again, I think he was so upset with the community of not supporting him in his time of need that he's like, dude, I'm not going to church anymore.
43:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not gonna pretend to be this Puritan fellow like you want me to be.
43:42
SPEAKER_01: When and obviously he's a very smart guy, like he was clever enough to get through Harvard.
43:47
SPEAKER_01: So I think at this time he's kind of just upset and he he's not gonna fake like he's this nice, good Puritan person at all.
43:53
SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
43:54
SPEAKER_02: And they arrested him in May.
43:57
SPEAKER_02: The trial started in August.
43:59
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: True.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Was that three months?
44:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: I'd be pissed too.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: I'd be pissed.
44:04
SPEAKER_02: Give me the hell out of here.
44:06
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
44:06
SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, again, there were some accounts of people coming forward saying that he did treat his wives poorly.
44:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, and some people went so far as to say he killed both of his of his ex-wives.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: I mean, but who knows?
44:19
SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
44:20
SPEAKER_01: Right.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: So finally we get to the day of his execution.
44:24
SPEAKER_01: The day of his execution.
44:26
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: I've been going rogue, where are my notes?
44:30
SPEAKER_01: Um buried in a cart all the way to Proctor's Legend.
44:33
SPEAKER_02: It's August 19th, 1692.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, Proctor's Ledge.
44:38
SPEAKER_02: So not the same as Gallows Hills.
44:40
SPEAKER_02: Gallows Hill.
44:41
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
44:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, but still in Salem.
44:44
SPEAKER_02: Um he's the only minister in American history who was ever executed in this manner for being like a witch or wizard.
44:54
SPEAKER_02: It feels weird saying witch for a man.
44:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:57
SPEAKER_01: We talked about this in our first episode because I think they called them wizards, and we were like, why don't they call them warlocks?
45:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:03
SPEAKER_01: So I think the actual terminology they used for him back and then was wizard.
45:08
SPEAKER_01: It sounds prestigious.
45:10
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's a Harvard educated man.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: They had him up on a ladder, which at this time it was really only and and I actually learned a lot of this about the book I keep raving about about like Tyburn Scalows.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: Right.
45:25
SPEAKER_02: Is the concept of having a like a dropdoor and like um dropping them down through like a what do you call like a secret hatch.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: Like a trapdoor?
45:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thank you.
45:35
SPEAKER_02: Like a trapdoor.
45:36
SPEAKER_02: That was a much more like I hate to say like a modern concept, but that wasn't something that most places had when they were doing a public hanging, especially in the 1600s.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: Especially in like a poor farmer's village.
45:48
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
45:49
SPEAKER_02: They're not gonna make these like fancy scientific contraptions of trapdoors, and it just wasn't that you know prestigious enough.
45:57
SPEAKER_02: So their ways of hanging somebody would have been either putting them on a horse, putting them on a ladder, a stool.
46:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's how he was hanged.
46:08
SPEAKER_02: He was hanged on a ladder.
46:10
SPEAKER_02: So they had him climb up on a ladder, they put the noose around him, and they would kick the ladder from underneath him.
46:15
SPEAKER_02: Right.
46:16
SPEAKER_02: And the downside with this is that meant it was a much slower death.
46:19
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't just by having a trapdoor, you could easily break your neck and it was an instant death, which is kind of what people hope for, right?
46:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: I I always think back to like our guy Fox episode, and he like four he was on a ladder and he jumped off.
46:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you need it to be like a sudden quick snap.
46:38
SPEAKER_02: For others, when that didn't happen, and they would just slowly release something from underneath you, and it was purely strangulation, it wasn't any type of breaking of the neck.
46:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:47
SPEAKER_02: That could take anywhere from 10 minutes to hours.
46:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, this isn't necessarily related to George Burroughs, but just in general, hangings like this.
46:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:59
SPEAKER_02: If it was in a public atmosphere like that, sometimes the family members who wanted their loved ones to not have to suffer would pull down on their legs or their feet, right?
47:08
SPEAKER_02: Trying to strangulate them quicker.
47:10
SPEAKER_02: Which is crazy.
47:11
SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, they would just kind of dangle around for a good bit of time.
47:15
SPEAKER_02: Right.
47:15
SPEAKER_02: In this book I read, they were saying some of the executions took days.
47:19
SPEAKER_02: Because they would just hang there slowly, very slowly, slowly, slowly, just losing their breath.
47:25
SPEAKER_02: I feel like that would take much shorter than that, but who knows?
47:28
SPEAKER_02: Some lasted days.
47:30
SPEAKER_02: Some, like Maggie Dixon, never actually died at all, and they were just passed out.
47:35
SPEAKER_02: So not not that I again I'm kind of like going off track here, but um that's that's how they hanged uh George Burroughs.
47:45
SPEAKER_02: He was very composed, which we always love, a good composed execution.
47:50
SPEAKER_02: And I think at that point he was ready.
47:52
SPEAKER_02: He was arrested in May.
47:53
SPEAKER_02: The Salem witch trials are going on, so the the jail, the living quarters is so disgusting.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: The prisoners have to pay their own way just to get food to to be imprisoned.
48:08
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
48:09
SPEAKER_02: They're in these tight, tight, tight quarters with disease and f infection and rats.
48:15
SPEAKER_02: They're starving, there's not clean water, there's nowhere to wash themselves, to relieve themselves, use the restroom.
48:24
SPEAKER_02: Like that's how disease is just the health is just growing.
48:29
SPEAKER_02: Like yeah, you almost want to just die at that point.
48:33
SPEAKER_02: And um and you know how we had mentioned 200 people were arrested, but only 19 people were hanged and one person pressed.
48:41
SPEAKER_02: The rest of them, so many people just died in prison from the disease.
48:45
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: It's disgusting, it's really sad.
48:48
SPEAKER_03: No.
48:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, so his official conviction was witchcraft and conspiracy with the devil, right?
48:56
SPEAKER_01: But I thought I like the last thing he did though before he died, was that he recited the Lord's Prayers.
49:02
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
49:02
SPEAKER_01: And they say witches can't do that.
49:05
SPEAKER_01: Like it's impossible for a witch to recite the Lord's Prayer.
49:09
SPEAKER_01: Because they're gonna burn from the inside out or something.
49:11
SPEAKER_01: They burst in flames.
49:13
SPEAKER_01: So I think he did that as just like proof of like, hey, like, I've said all I had to say about this.
49:19
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna struggle, I'm gonna go, you know, like I might be an asshole, but I'm not a wizard.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: I might be cocky mofo, but you know, in this town, but I'm not a wizard.
49:28
SPEAKER_01: And so he recited the Lord's Prayer.
49:30
SPEAKER_01: And apparently, like his last, you know, few words and then the Lord's Prayer were so moving and well-composed and and powerful that people in the crowd were like weeping for him and saying, like, no, he's innocent, like, let him go, like, this isn't right, you know, he's a former minister, like, how can you do this?
49:47
SPEAKER_01: And we mentioned this guy before, but Cotton Mathry, like the kind of asshole that's in charge of this whole thing, you know, once uh um once Burroughs was actually hanged, he had to kind of re-rally the crowd.
50:01
SPEAKER_01: Like, no, no, like he's the devil incarnate, he's just saying these things.
50:06
SPEAKER_02: Gotta remind him.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
50:08
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, you guys wanted him dead.
50:09
SPEAKER_01: Right.
50:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, he's like, he's like, no, no, we, you know, he's just that's how devious he is, is that even in his final moments, he's making you feel sorry for him and he's he's uh using his words to seduce you.
50:21
SPEAKER_01: So he has to basically re-rally everyone so that he can execute four more people right after him.
50:28
SPEAKER_02: That's how it was in the sandwich trials.
50:30
SPEAKER_02: They had like round boom.
50:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
50:32
SPEAKER_01: They had like again, each I I would say maybe every few months they had like a new round of people that were executed.
50:38
SPEAKER_01: Um so they wonder why.
50:39
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know.
50:40
SPEAKER_01: What what was the timing behind that?
50:42
SPEAKER_01: That's a great question.
50:43
SPEAKER_01: But they usually went in like groups of I think four or five.
50:46
SPEAKER_02: Probably for the snacks.
50:47
SPEAKER_02: You think?
50:48
SPEAKER_02: Like the to get the crowds, to have to entice them out, make it a make it a big ordeal.
50:53
SPEAKER_02: You can't just have like one person to a bundle.
50:57
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
50:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, bundle.
50:59
SPEAKER_01: That's a good way to put it.
51:00
SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, they're a bundled package.
51:02
SPEAKER_01: Cheap farmers kind of want to all in one bang.
51:05
SPEAKER_01: Pass the corner around.
51:06
SPEAKER_01: Like a double wedding.
51:09
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
51:09
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna go to hell.
51:10
SPEAKER_01: No, what?
51:11
SPEAKER_01: No.
51:12
SPEAKER_01: So um, in in grand tradition of the witches who are executed, you don't give them a proper burial, right?
51:20
SPEAKER_01: So they only buried him in about like two feet of soil.
51:24
SPEAKER_01: So he he wasn't even buried to the point where like he was fully covered.
51:28
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think part of his hand was sticking out, part of his foot, like his chin.
51:31
SPEAKER_01: Like he wasn't he was barely buried, essentially.
51:34
SPEAKER_01: They're kind of shoved him in like a shallow grave, and we're like, all right, like you're done now.
51:38
SPEAKER_01: Um obviously later, when Massachusetts, it wasn't even a state yet, it was still a colony.
51:43
SPEAKER_01: But eventually, when they realized that uh, you know, the Salem Witch trials were kind of a mistake.
51:49
SPEAKER_01: Oopsies, yeah, the colony in Massachusetts came forward and they essentially recognized George Burroughs' innocence.
51:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, and they awarded his, I guess, widow, maybe there was a third wife, the widow, who knows?
52:02
SPEAKER_01: But for sure, the children they awarded them like 50 pounds, which unfortunately, like, there was a lot of dispute over who got what because obviously there's was different wives, different children, like children living different places.
52:13
SPEAKER_01: So unfortunately, it wasn't just a quick like here's your money, go on.
52:18
SPEAKER_01: It was 50 pounds.
52:19
SPEAKER_02: 50 pounds.
52:20
SPEAKER_02: I paid almost that much in shipping fees today to get my Hever Castle gift shop goodies.
52:26
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, we'll talk about that in a second.
52:30
SPEAKER_01: Um so so essentially that was the end of George Burrow's life.
52:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, but most people who are like kind of looking back on this say his biggest crime was that he was just kind of a mysterious, like perhaps confident, cocky, secretive man.
52:46
SPEAKER_01: And again, the debt that he incurred with John Putnam, like all of those things were just what his biggest flaws were.
52:52
SPEAKER_01: Like he was essentially, again, uh a a well-learned man, a learned man, um, like a man of God.
52:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, he was just trying to do the best he could, he kept having to move different places just to find some like peace and kind of stability in his life.
53:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, but unfortunately, the testimonies of those girls, you know, they just came forward and said, Oh, like, you know, he lives he lives in a haunted house and his spirit visits me, and uh, you know, There were toads.
53:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's right.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: He's one thing he did admit in his in his trial was they came forward and they're like, Is your house haunted?
53:23
SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Well, I have toads in my house if that's what you mean.
53:27
SPEAKER_01: Because he had a garden full of toads, and back in the day, toads were like the sign of the devil, like sign of witchcraft if you had toads in your house.
53:35
SPEAKER_01: So all these like silly things come together, you know, and these and these again, silly girls that kind of started this all were the ones that had, you know, said that his apparition came to him and admitted all of his wrongdoings.
53:48
SPEAKER_02: When you think of the Salem witch trials, you don't normally think of men, right?
53:52
SPEAKER_01: You always think of there was only four men, and we talked about well, again, one man the first time.
53:58
SPEAKER_01: Giles, aka Giles.
53:59
SPEAKER_01: Giles Corey, and then and then our man Joe Burroughs.
54:03
SPEAKER_01: And who knows if we might not cover some other people in depth in the future from the Salem Witch trials, but we've covered a total of four now.
54:10
SPEAKER_01: Who are the others?
54:11
SPEAKER_01: We did Rebecca Nurse.
54:12
SPEAKER_01: Um Bishop.
54:15
SPEAKER_01: Um Bridget Bishop.
54:16
SPEAKER_01: Bridget Bishop.
54:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
54:18
SPEAKER_01: But there are others.
54:19
SPEAKER_01: There are other prominent ones that we could always cover, so you never know.
54:23
SPEAKER_01: You you guys let us know if there are other people in the Salem witch trials.
54:26
SPEAKER_01: This one, this one was actually a suggested episode that we do from a very good fan, and I was really excited to hear.
54:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh, some one of my family members.
54:34
SPEAKER_01: Oh, good.
54:35
SPEAKER_01: I know.
54:35
SPEAKER_01: Cool, cool, cool.
54:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, she came to me and she's like, I can't believe you haven't done George Burroughs yet.
54:39
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Yeah, you're right.
54:41
SPEAKER_01: We've only covered three of the like 20 that were executed at Salem, so I think he deserved a stand standalone.
54:46
SPEAKER_02: He deserves an episode.
54:47
SPEAKER_02: And it's kind of nice to just go back to the Salem witch trials and whether it's it's news to you or it's not news to you, and again, if like you want to hear more about it, if you can put up with our one sound quality, our we should remind them that there's a part in our like second episode where a plane just like aggressively flies over and you could hear it.
55:10
SPEAKER_01: Um okay, so that's going back.
55:12
SPEAKER_01: So she so she's hanged.
55:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so end of Bridget Bishop.
55:17
SPEAKER_01: R.I.P.
55:17
SPEAKER_01: died at age 60.
55:19
SPEAKER_01: Which again, it's like I I don't know what the life expectancy was like in the 1600s.
55:24
SPEAKER_01: And both Megan and I, when we were listening to it again, we're like, was that was that on the episode?
55:29
SPEAKER_01: Like, did a plane just go by?
55:30
SPEAKER_01: And it sounds again like a German aircraft.
55:33
SPEAKER_02: We were unphased.
55:34
SPEAKER_02: There was like a raid coming, and clearly we just just kept going.
55:38
SPEAKER_02: We didn't care.
55:40
SPEAKER_02: Now I think we would have been like, oh, pause.
55:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:43
SPEAKER_02: I also obviously I know feedback.
55:46
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to get better because I get excited and I like I talk.
55:49
SPEAKER_02: I talk over you a lot.
55:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh, but not as bad as you used to.
55:52
SPEAKER_02: I I've gotten better, but that's just how we are as friends, is you know, Elizabeth talks and I just talk over her and you know, we do our own our own thing.
56:00
SPEAKER_02: It's not too bad.
56:02
SPEAKER_02: You let me go.
56:03
SPEAKER_02: The second episode was not as cringy as the first.
56:08
SPEAKER_02: You were still a little unorganized.
56:10
SPEAKER_02: I liked it.
56:12
SPEAKER_02: I liked it.
56:12
SPEAKER_02: We talked a lot about um our favorite witch movie.
56:16
SPEAKER_02: So, okay, going back when we recorded that episode, you had said your favorite witch movie was, of course, Hocus Pocus.
56:25
SPEAKER_02: We had no idea there was gonna be a sequel at that point.
56:28
SPEAKER_01: That was kind of cool listening to that because it's like, yeah, we didn't know there was a sequel coming out, obviously.
56:33
SPEAKER_01: How could we?
56:34
SPEAKER_01: And now that we've like, you know, it's four years later and there's now been a sequel to that movie.
56:38
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of weird to like listen to your thoughts of something from the past in like live time.
56:43
SPEAKER_01: You're like, wow.
56:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like if I could reach back to that Elizabeth of 2019 and be like, oh my gosh, there's a whole second movie coming.
56:52
SPEAKER_01: It's okay, you might like it.
56:53
SPEAKER_01: I kind of like it.
56:54
SPEAKER_01: I like it.
56:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you you stand by your the the V itch.
57:01
SPEAKER_02: The witch.
57:02
SPEAKER_02: But the way that the font is, it looks like the V itch.
57:06
SPEAKER_02: V V- itch.
57:07
SPEAKER_02: The V V itch, which is just as scary.
57:10
SPEAKER_02: You ever get the V itch?
57:12
SPEAKER_02: Very unfortunate.
57:13
SPEAKER_01: Just as scary as the witch.
57:15
SPEAKER_01: You showed me the trailer and I I haven't seen it.
57:17
SPEAKER_01: It's before we actually knew who like Anya.
57:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
57:21
SPEAKER_02: I didn't even know who Anya Taylor Joy was as an actress.
57:24
SPEAKER_02: I just know I liked that movie and I liked whoever played the main character in it.
57:28
SPEAKER_02: Or Queen's.
57:29
SPEAKER_02: And then I'm like, holy shit, that's Anya Taylor Joy.
57:32
SPEAKER_02: Now, of course, she's a huge actress and she's amazing.
57:35
SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh, the menu.
57:37
SPEAKER_02: Like, ah, I'm in the menu.
57:39
SPEAKER_02: No, she's an amazing actress and model and whatever.
57:42
SPEAKER_02: So I still have Emma.
57:44
SPEAKER_02: Emma's a good one from 2020.
57:47
SPEAKER_01: Predit or Jane Austen.
57:50
SPEAKER_01: Emma.
57:51
SPEAKER_02: Oh, she is in that.
57:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
57:53
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, it took me a moment to.
57:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay.
57:56
SPEAKER_02: I was thinking Gwendolith Peltro still, and I was like, okay.
57:58
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
58:00
SPEAKER_02: But I'm trying to like think of the connection.
58:02
SPEAKER_02: You're right.
58:02
SPEAKER_02: She did play Emma in the 2020.
58:05
SPEAKER_01: I had a whole like Jane Austen weekend the other weekend.
58:07
SPEAKER_01: That's the way that's before we moved into the townhouse.
58:09
SPEAKER_01: Robbie was out of town really quick.
58:11
SPEAKER_01: Slight side note.
58:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, I went to my townhouse just to like have my moments alone because it's it's usually booked because it's an Airbnb.
58:18
SPEAKER_01: So I was there just having like my personal weekend by myself, and I just watched like all of the Jane Austen movies that I had.
58:25
SPEAKER_01: So I watched like the BBC Pride and Prejudice, I watched like the 2005 Karen Knight.
58:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, no, I threw that on, I threw Emma on.
58:33
SPEAKER_01: Like, I just like all the Jane Austen I had I watched, and I just I loved it.
58:37
SPEAKER_01: It's beautiful.
58:38
SPEAKER_01: It's like how how often do you get to do that?
58:40
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's wonderful.
58:41
SPEAKER_01: And I even watched the Pride and Prejudice 2005 movie with the director's commentary on it.
58:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh that was 2005.
58:49
SPEAKER_01: I saw it in high school in theaters.
58:51
SPEAKER_01: How old am I?
58:52
SPEAKER_01: I was in high school.
58:53
unknown: Yeah.
58:54
SPEAKER_02: 35.
58:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, hey, cheers.
58:59
SPEAKER_02: It was good doing another throwback saying which trial for you.
59:03
SPEAKER_01: Can we talk about your Heaver Castle thing on the next episode, or do you want to plug give that a quick plug?
59:07
SPEAKER_02: I guess just a quick plug before we leave.
59:09
SPEAKER_02: Heaver Castle is doing their opening weekend, their their new exhibition being ran by the co-curators, Dr.
59:17
SPEAKER_02: Owen Emerson and Kate McCaffrey, and we love both of them.
59:21
SPEAKER_02: And they had a really big to-do today.
59:24
SPEAKER_02: Um, their new book came out.
59:25
SPEAKER_02: They have some new amazing, astounding An Boleyn discoveries.
59:30
SPEAKER_02: Um, Tracy Borman was there.
59:32
SPEAKER_02: Like anyone who's everyone besides us.
59:35
SPEAKER_02: James Peacock, our buddy James, was there.
59:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, I really enjoy just looking at the pictures and just being jealous and like, damn it, I wish I was there.
59:45
SPEAKER_01: So when Megan mentioned 50 pounds earlier just now, that's because uh she was gonna order some of the books that are signed by Owen Emerson.
59:53
SPEAKER_01: So she was like, Oh, I gotta order these books.
59:55
SPEAKER_01: And she's like, I guess it's a flat fee to ship to Arizona.
59:58
SPEAKER_01: She's like, what else do you want?
59:59
SPEAKER_01: So we just threw a bunch of random items.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_02: We've got bookmarks coming.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_01: We've got soap.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_01: I was like, I want the Anvelyn Rose soap.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_01: So I got that.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_01: We got bookmarks, yeah.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_02: Don't tell my husband.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_02: He's probably gonna listen to this.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh oh.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna say what it is in USD, but it was like 80 pounds.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_02: Is that in total, though?
1:00:20
SPEAKER_02: Very total.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_02: That's not bad.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_02: It was mostly shipping fees.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_02: So anyways, I promise you we are gonna be talking more about some of the discoveries that we had just discussed.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_02: So that is our little cliffhanger.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: More to come.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_02: Elizabeth, any final words?
1:00:37
SPEAKER_02: Not today.
1:00:38
SPEAKER_02: What was that accent?
1:00:40
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.