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Construcción Plural - Programa 1143 · Construcción Plural - Radio Trend Topic

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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
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to it on radio, train topic and an international bur. Seeing, then,
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the low, well, so my friends, how we were, Juanes
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returns the nineties, how it will have gone to San Lorenzo in the nineties,
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what I do not have the just something terrible and Juan had not been
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born. Almost there we are good afternoon, my friends, how you are
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doing with a full menemism As I said yesterday, it is good that every
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democratic President obviously has his taste in the pink, but good to ulteriorize that
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less was the best President almost in history of the last forty years. A
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being who came to poverty. A lot of people made me the stability that
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gave me convertibility with mingo horses. But as it is said and well said,
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and Cristina was convicted of corruption, well, Melen was also convicted of
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corruption, so good. Or condemned for justice, so good. I'
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m talking a little bit about the figure. If my law of good gems,
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will speak of something you like less and if it does not clarify the
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issue of corruption, one assumes that you accept it. Good. Here we
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are in plural construction. It' s a little warmer in the afternoon.
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Now it' s uru little seventeen seven. I think I felt warmer in
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terms of the week' s peak. In a little while we' ll
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be talking to our first guest Waime. After them we' ll be with
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him. It will be connected by Zoom Non Gustavo ferrari Olfenson. We'
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re going to have time, if we have a chance to listen to any
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of Alejandro Rockman' s audios, to let us stand normal and tomorrow we
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close, but an hour, a little earlier, the good one we were
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on last Thursday' s unemployment, not because we stopped. I, in
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fact, worked hard that day as I would have liked, resolved and stopped,
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but good part also of covering the unemployment. It had to do with
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communicating what was going on, but well the impossible to get there happened to
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John and so on. So, well, we anticipated before and we suspended
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last Thursday' s program. We' ll have an hour tomorrow. We
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will be with graciela Romer and with honor fidanza try more program loaded with political
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analysis of the good. Just as right now, we' re going to
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try to locate GUIME and this one will also have it today And then for
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the wolf Son who scores it is the Blue Don Blue, who was there
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and rolled a thousand and peaks of these two thousand thirty thousand forty thousand hundred
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exalts practically, if I' m not mistaken, sixty mangoes in a couple
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of days exceeds the with all the liquids is in one thousand ninety- one.
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Not to mention the MEC, which is in a thousand and fifty.
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The country risk is in one thousand two fifty. So you look at the
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Minei bube talking about it, denied that it exists after or after exchange,
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this height. Denying This is like reading the sweet milk is fat and the
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rich man defended the righteous and signed that he is getting closer and closer to
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raising the stocks. For me Cabel keeps lying is further, because closer it
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was June, let' s say, and this now paints for lucky end
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of the year. But, well, it' s my law that'
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s going to be a politician who, even if he doesn' t want
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to see himself as such, but he' s still a politician. So,
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well, we' re back in the' 90s. There' s
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Mene shot him five at point- blank range the moment the Prime Minister is
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the cow. It was bucketed. This says in fobay a news story of
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no hearing. They tend to say that the 10th of the morning here in
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Buenos Aires, in Argentina better said conflicts, the budget sixty national universities to
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a claim for the lack of dcefoy funds at four o' clock in the
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afternoon, as I say to them with seventeen degrees, almost eighteen in a
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nice afternoon. Despite the agreement for the funding, the UVA will support the
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claim of the rest of the universities and there was a little bit there.
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In the afternoon in the Senate is the presence of the head of Binete,
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who was mute. Well, it' s already turned up and it'
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s gonna be long. You' re going to have to answer thousands of
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questions really how far technical inflations will go in Argentina, according to the largest
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bank in the United States, what else. In his first management report,
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Poe spoke of the case against piqueteros, a scheme of modern slavery, lamentable
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and something similar, although I see the media of the nation more and more
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and now, at this moment, on the screen of the four and peak
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social plans of extortion of nuches denations. They give much grass to the beasts
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of Milady' s government in favor. Well, uamen answers it. Let
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' s do the following. Don' t worry, we' re going
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to give while I' m warning you, I' ve already warned you,
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and I' ve talked about the afternoon with course I can' t
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understand us. We set Juan up now, if that' s okay,
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with Rofan' s first audio, we' re gonna win another one in
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time and if we have to step on it, we' re gonna step
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on it for four to five minutes. If we place it there, I
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' ll give you a four- minute parenthesis to see Rubi that we'
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ve calmed down and there we listen to Rockman' s first audio at one
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five o' clock to see that code. Well, let' s go
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with Rocfman and we were sure if everything goes well talking with the Waime and
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in the second hour we intend to do the same with Don Gustavo Ferrari wolf
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Son from North America we go Juan with roman Hello. How much Alejandro Roffman
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speaks to them in his article tol column every week or in my presentation in
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the title of Argentina may be another Potosi says the following, the treatment in
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the Senate title of the draft law of the national government, granting very widespread
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the measures of encouragement and support by means of norros barriadas, among which stand
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out the subflixes that favor great investments in their former key sectors remember immediately a
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similar expert in the same direction, that of Potosi during Colonial America. In
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this city a huge silver field was discovered in the thousand thousand and five hundred
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and forty- five on a hill near them. The immediate one, the
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representatives of the Spanish colony decided to mark an extractive initiative, obtaining huge shipments
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of silver existing on the hill to be transported to Spanish ports. The mineral
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was extracted from the cerero referred to without processing to Spain. The country was
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full of the continent. By then mini existing of the world geography were two
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hundred years of intense exploitation until its exhaustion, which gave generations of natives plundered
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and condemned to physical disappearance. And the beneficiaries were only what they accumulated in
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Spain. In Spain and nothing about those who were working in sun and shade
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on the famous hill. As in other geographies where the nascent European colonial empires
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obtained abundant resources based on the direct proposition of basic inputs by accumulating deodoritated sorrows.
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That is what is being extracted dionomy today. It is called a model
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of accumulation suitable for the vigorous birth of capitalism popeududalis ulterior strengthening through the original
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appropriation and this environment in Potochín was depredated. Neighboring regions were emptied of labor
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force, tragic contrains fate or their permanent physical elimination and assuded by lack of
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food, work in health and predatory diseases. It is the same model in
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mirror and adapted to the technical conditions, although without modification it has would be
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the winners and the impriious losers that it recognizes for its islands. The RÉGIS
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is the draft law simplifies the manifestation of the current process of capitalist accumulation on
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an international scale, which adds all participation in local intervention in the submerged productive
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projects based on neoativism, is consecrated and promoted the predominance of big capital in
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a model of concentrated and scrutinious barewood, leaving out any initiative in support of
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the local productive sectors, of small and medium- sized, that it does
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not participate in the enormous investments and profits that it is separating and that are
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supposed to be. Go get place that law in transus. There is no
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single clause providing for the presence of national, small and medium- sized producers
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in GANTGS initiatives. The preservation of active roles for sectors of local society in
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the provision of services in workers. A contraa is basically aimed at increasing the
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rate of profits of large capital with all kinds of tax benefits. Change them
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can take the profits from sales abroad from the third year of illegal activity,
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such as the one they lend to consecrate an aggression to federalism, because it
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tries to ban any legislative, provincial or municipal initiative. He' s skilled.
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The development of kennel activities, that is, is a development of great
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entrepreneurships of an exclusive capitalism based on appropriation, without compensation of available natural resources
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and recovery in the national geography and without paying attention to the development of labor
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consumption. It must therefore be vigorously rejected. The contents of the draft advance
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our opinion and we believe that there can be no doubt that the senators will
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have to adopt in full awareness of their actions the path that consecrates this presence
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of asentatory legislation, of national sovereignty and of the safeguard in our production.
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The rome had mysta of head a week to come, for example, we
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will be with camel Cornia, red camingo. Last week he had Julio.
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Or the idea is diversity, not plural construction, as its middle name indicates,
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it has been betting for twenty seasons. Therefore, to see the inflation
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data that is still high, but the truth that is achieving this politically we
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are going to a very high session that is part of the economic model as
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many models lower it. Some read there, some economist from repeating that in
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Peru, Buji Mori the Southern Plan lowered it much faster. Maybe it'
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s true. Actually, you don' t have to blame my law.
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The political lobe would lower the inflation that would find out in May, by
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five percent and until the end of the year. There and then it'
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s going to be hard to put down an interesting or plausible number that would
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be the two or the three. That' s the I think, for
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example, challenge to marketing will say a digit. The theme is let'
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s say the inflation alone maya of the ghost, otherwise I' ll be
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better, the real desareo. If there' s a lot of economic depression,
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if there' s unemployment, I mean like, passage was an anecdote,
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but almost not. So good. We need to measure it. That
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' s what Rosman was saying It' s very good, and this is
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also from a writing by Alejandro Bacino at the time of the Colony. Yesterday
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Alejandro said it, but Cairú, another political economist, was yesterday with us
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at the same time, the exemptions that are given in terms of thirty years,
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no interest does not happen in any country of the world. In Latin
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America at least there is nothing in favor of Argentine work. The truth is
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this r is terrible. This rule is terrible. Let' s say in
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terms of obviously yapiru. You have to look for investments, but it'
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s a total nonsense. The advantages given to companies, the tax extension,
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the no need to have domestic suppliers in Argentines is to stop a little domestic
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industry that is efficient. Obviously, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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The moment and we' re going to Rofman two. Let' s
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also tell production there that as long as we make a point that nothing more
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to see if we find jaime, so let' s see we order ourselves,
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so we make a top of daime. If he' s there,
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we' ll put him on the air. If he' s gone,
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he' s gone. I' m on it. I put in the
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part of two of Rockman and we go quiet until about thirty- five that
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we know has to appear for Zoom, the friend of the north of Don
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Gustavo of Harrally Volkinson, banish the idea of the transfer change and said my
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law today in a meeting with entrepreneurs well, the truth is that it is
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anyone who says my very unserious. A good fact about Miley is that he
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is going to meet businessman from the top management of large companies in Spain on
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his trip to his ally Box, which is the extreme, Not the Pepe,
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the ally of the Right Popular Party as a people of Acá is the
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far right in this always on turn, on Miley' s turn. Not
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that anyone says it' s balanced, but at least it' s always
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at the end. In everything as well as his manners. Okay, okay,
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we' re still waiting for Ime for the hour Nothing. Let'
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s go easy. Just a little while ahead of me, and in a
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little while I' m asking Juan, I' m asking for Rosman'
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s second audio and we' re still in order and quiet. I'
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m talking about the time, the era of cruelty. No, and there
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was one more piece of data I saw on Instagram. Video the friend of
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one of the few colleagues I respect very much, like Javier Estracia. Well,
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the whole subject, what disability is, the issue of subsidies. To
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that end, the appointment of the husband of a non- charged Serimedio communications
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official, an official Pike, a guy is very questioned, so said,
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to evolve Office News corrupt them good in the area of disability. The truth
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that is the era of cruelty, cruelty also undoubtedly that of a thousand but
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that of the piqueteros and the leftist group. It' s this one that
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' s the first line of the picketing diligence in the case that the police
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prosecutor investigates on the gamer of the huntannel. We talked about it. A
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story is being made, a feast the milay and more forgiveness the nation more
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and more, but good they want to give it pastography. It is given
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by the abusive and extortionive practices that took place in It is very opaque world
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of the piqueteros, the so- called piqueteros, of the organizations, the
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social organizations. It said the sepo comes very slow to see the notification of
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the nation more, if it has any importance. Yeah, well, I
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already told NINFOI. The University of Bozanis in Buenos Aires suspended the budget emergency
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declared last April. This implies an update of the operating costs of 200 percent
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year- on- year and 300 percent for university hospitals. With the reinforcement
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that this other government had. But he declares to himself that he was talking
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to you deeply concerned about the update he would pay you for the remaining budget
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items, which some sectors updated, particularly those related to the areas of science
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and technology university extension and university infrastructure programs. The note of the day the
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great age. A little while listening to Rofman is the Blue, as I
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say, that jumps a lot yesterday now I don' t say, he
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' s also super late. Of course, no one likes to be gone
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a lot suddenly sixty mangoes or something from one day to the next. The
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Argentines celebrate the low inflation and we worry when the Blue rises a blu that
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comes I say had touched two thousand thirty- five in January, because it
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dropped to one thousand nine hundred ninety- five the three digits and now it
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goes to one thousand hundred and even surpasses the county with link that it is
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usually the roof to the market that is in one thousand ninety- two today
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rises a three percent at two point eight the free dollar. How do I
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say I was so late. Surely it has to do with this a delay.
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It has to do with the fact that the plant has gone down again
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to make the cups of interest, carrying the rate between the forty and fifty
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forty of nominal floor is the third low, fourth or fifth go down in
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little in two months practically trying to licuar liabilities not remulars of the Central Bank
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and also, well, trying to help facilitate the activity less speculation. Obviously,
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what you lose is what a cuff can keep as a term, gijjo,
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well, they' re dead, not foundation. On the other hand,
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a parenthesis, speaking of this case of the lesbian, as well as
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they were an ins that gave me a fire with a crazy criminal who did
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not the good thing that the sketcher neither wants to make him criticize, because
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any good death if it is okay, but they were from a collective.
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There is no need to make a different group a whole group of gender and
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so on. It should be done and be more careful and respectful and take
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action on the matter. I say in parentheses. I was reading news.
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A little while ago up to sixteen women and some minors accused David Copperfield of
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sexual assault. It wasn' t magic, the truth is terrible. More
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in terrible memory these kinds of accusations. To see where I' m going
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today in terms of data and information? So, let' s see,
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he' s back in the' 90s with Susana Jimenez? I would tell
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you there in our Instagram account that we always remember on the networks on it
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if Juan, along with the batch, returns in the nineties with his Ana
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Jiménez? In the war of cruelty, he said that Alejandro Peyru' s
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friend was already the power of corporations, which also has media. And the
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subject that the caste appears or the current kind, as I would say.
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Now he' s being told caste that this isn' t Miley' s
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original. I have said so the party can in Spain, for example,
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problems. It seems that politicians are the only caste and they are not.
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I' m sorry for the caste. The Argentine problem is not one of
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politicians. The directional issue in general, I get tired once I remember years
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ago, in these twenty years of global construction and these long ten here on
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digital radio Topics, which treats us very well. As always, we have
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a closure for them. This is not so much before Juan I think that
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Nico was as an operator and others said that he asked them, please the
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Argentine leadership not to make us believe that the only way out we had was
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Minister Pistarín, that is to say six that is to have guides of the
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country. He talks about total leadership, politics, business, banking, labor,
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piquetera, journalism, education. This is a direct theme and it is
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not just a theme of Argentina either. It' s just that it'
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s not just a political issue. Peruayer said a bit very well it took
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the attention to point out not the only caste appears politics, then the business
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and that had to do the piquetera. You don' t talk about the
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union sometimes. You don' t talk about entrepreneurs. The reporters are talking
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to us. This one already told you very well, Peru also say the
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power of global corporations and that they manage media. I' m not saying
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all this. I don' t know that I didn' t mention it
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much and it would be worth the mention. Okay. Let' s listen
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to Roffman inside. I ask Rome while Rockman is on the air these two
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minutes, less than three minutes to see if we make one last practically attempt
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to locate Aime O the last ante and if we don' t locate it,
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then we hit Tanda directly after the Bullo and I chanda and we want
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one last attempt for aban no. That way we' re just gonna have
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ten minutes left, but we' ll see so Rosman. If Aime Tanda
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does not appear and it is useful to want to repeat Potoshi threads later.
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That trastic experience is a retrojection of great migne tour that you cannot and should
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not tolerate. The profile of kidnapping that defines the large- scale enterprises provided
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for in the draft law. It allows us to recognize the role of the
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dominant sectors that, logically, act on the basis of profit, who think
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of obtaining that they have managed to listen to themselves as political intermediaries, especially
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those who advocate an assumption of narcocapitalism, allow those who really control the process
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to complete their real objectives, to turn the country into a colonial response and
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productive activities fed in this case and has denounced it international organizations are interested in
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the issue. They feed on spurious and illistic resources, such as drug trafficking
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and engraving of money. On the eve of the legislative treatment of the draft
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law on rg RIG, it is worth recalling the firm opposition of more than
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thirty flat associations that the whole country, which have marked very clearly in a
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declaration that was known on Monday and that will give occasion to a national meeting
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to ratify it and disseminate it on Tuesday that it expresses. We need a
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thorough reflection, a detailed analysis of the consequences of religion. What not only
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involves tax benefits to big capitals, but also the possibility of importing and exporting
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with the zero dancer and even bringing from outside indiscriminately, is that they can
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perfectly be produced in Paris, causing the closure and in many industrial SMEs and
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the chef of thousands of workers with high quality training. This warning, the
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group of SMEs that are gathered to mark a very firm position, has to
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be complemented by the urgent formalisation of a national development project that takes into account
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the presence of a very valuable and valid offer, the cities in the country
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that process them with the aim of satinfaceting internal demands necessary for the worthy subficence
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of the whole population of the capital seen and, above all, that it
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preserves that accumulated capital for a very long time that any attempt to sabotage it
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from it in an excessively permissive way and not to pay taxes or tariffs as
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they are imposed on formal production. The future, Argentina is then at stake
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in this option that we are discussing. Senators will have to give serious thought
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to the irresponsibility that belongs to them in order to authorize such an unrespectful initiative,
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a level of balanced development, just pay with adequate values to all the
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inhabitants of the country interested in a growth with social justice, and they will
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also have to aim as soon as possible to formalize a fabric of suitable proposals
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to advance clearly in a national project of just development, balanced, environmentally sustainable
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and worthy of being led by the majority of our population. We remind you
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that you can find us on social networks, on our website where we extend
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our journalistic work. We find ourselves on Twitter, under the Nick Arroba,
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approaches on Instagram, fer M two thousand twenty- two, Fermen de Farmauriy
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two thousand twenty- two and, as always where we upload audios of the
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program analysis of specialist columnists, our website anieja, approaches Blogspot, point with
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point ar Very well, very well. Here we are sixteen twenty- three
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in twelve minutes. It ends up recording with friar the Wolfson. I think
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it is now, Huguay, you' ll be able to take care of
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me. Or there' s a synchronizer theme. It' s ready.
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Well, there was a good afternoon. He listens to me how he'
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s doing perfectly well as in an anonauta movement. But, well, there
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' s no problem. No problem. We still make it short, because
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we see when we complete a little that I wanted to talk long, as
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I always like, but well they wait for me and it post box.
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So I read to see that if today there are choices that you will tell
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me how much, how much, how much, how much is this not
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to tell you some colleague of yours who spoke of forty- eight percent for
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my Law, twenty for more than the thirty you have had and a ten
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for bullrich S. No, no, it' s not me I think,
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but far ahead. I think we should say that it is clear that
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the President would arrive at about thirty- eight. I remember another point,
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or it would be very, very scattered. If a national legislator were to
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go there, the people of a thousand laws would be the first minority.
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That' s what I think the data is. In this way he said
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equally, it seems to me that we are talking about what would happen the
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year, that it is a long way from that it seems to me that
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it is. You have to look at it going in b as it goes
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with the Nik pipe or it goes with an air and that' s what
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you think is going to define things a little completely. You read it recently
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at last you said you wrote that the weekend agreed. I think it was
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the last one, not the last one. The image of the President fell
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into disapproval. These are your own data. The image will be clear to
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me It' s your own. Obviously, the disapproval of government management is
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higher than the approval of other developments. It' s the feelings that the
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government wakes up where it angers you. Disillusionment and uncertainty knew hope and expectation.
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These reflect his latest work. That' s right, yes, exactly.
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I mean, there' s one I' d say coinciding with what
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myoversity tells you. There is a drop in the level of cofinancing, in
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something diano that is reflected in the different indices that one is taking. That
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' s not, no, they' re not gobia boot, they'
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re not the samari notes that go up and what levels we' re talking
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about today' s approval, that approval, that IT in a 45-
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point fixed approval. For me, three months ago, the pronovation of his
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management, Imagin, his management, not the image of him. He made
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fifty- seven, fifty- five, fifty- one, fifty- three
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In the last month someone fell. I repeat, without waiting. Wait have
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hand, have assembler fifty- fifty- two, tell me you are one
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hundred fifty- two five personal image and approval people, a staff no.
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The approval of formalities. It' s 45 points before three months. What
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' s the difference that before there was about twenty percent, fifteen percent of
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people who didn' t answer and now it says it' s not the
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proof where I' m forty- five. There was evidence fifty of that
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approval. I wanted you to take away the you I don' t forgive.
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All that fifteen who did not answer went to that approval practically. Practically
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yes, yes, there were many people who would even say, until March,
27:42
turned around, I was turning around because I was waiting to finally assess
27:48
the situation and this last month began to define and basically, the definition was
27:55
an arrest towards the opposition, not an opposition that is one of the years.
28:00
The uncle of my law. Obviously, I mean, it' s
28:02
also a little natural. I' m not saying any more than I take
28:03
advantage of them, the criticisms one can make in the opposition, that a
28:07
neutron bomb fell. The front of all was officialism. He was defeated in
28:10
the elections together by change is also party of the middle. That fact no
28:12
longer exists, I say, but the President' s asset is natural.
28:17
If you want to see place opposition expression, this height of things not good.
28:21
All right, but otherwise it would be very difficult. We are talking
28:26
about a government that has five months and an opposition, let' s say
28:34
it also has a lot of internal problems that have to be retained. Then
28:41
the Government has virtually no consolidated opposition on the front. Criene, let'
28:48
s say a rendezvous of leaders, so to speak, who may agree or
28:52
disagree with certain policies of glory. Then your hands will rise, you will
28:56
not raise your hand in relating to the basic law, for example. But
29:00
obviously, the opposition is going to build up to the extent that the government
29:06
is not going to call them. The Government is doing well, which is
29:10
also an alternative, it will cost you much more. It is a problem
29:14
that Argentina raised, because Argentina different to hand over the opposition. You can
29:19
' t pose it for the country you used to be. He cannot raise
29:22
it because it is the country that failed and has to propose an alternative to
29:29
the current country. But in order to raise the internal, the current country
29:33
has to have plan the amicableness of the toal proposals there is a pre-
29:38
candidate on the court. Obviously, he wants to manage the times as much
29:41
as possible and he doesn' t want to burn, but well he doesn
29:44
' t have a reelection in the province of Buenos Aires. If it'
29:45
s xisis blogs, I' m telling you how you see these first skirmishes.
29:48
Some encounter with some exchange of kindness, strength, security for the drug
29:52
trafficking and mass in Santa Fe, with the argument that I too, if
29:56
it is excessive in Santa Fa, arrive in the province of Buenos Aires today
30:00
Omania by these hours. I think that today I was traveling to Chubut to
30:07
hand over to Governor Nacho Torres ambulances, how they see little this opening,
30:14
these first ones and also as internal sailing, with pure quisnerismo, with Cristina
30:18
with maximum, how he thinks that you can unwind that path that you yourself
30:22
mentioned just said the first thing that I think from the outside is intelligent what
30:30
is doing to open first open up from the province of Buenos Aires. Usually,
30:36
the inside is tired. From the candidates come from the province of Buenos
30:38
Aires or Lamba, So, objectively, it is important. It is important
30:45
to open up the hard core of chrisnerism that has let' s say nuclear
30:52
narrativeism, but it does not guarantee it the parturgue towards the whole of society.
30:57
Well, I think it' s smart what' s up with that
31:03
and that intern. How it should come With this surprising call on Monday at
31:06
6 am and midis in the morning, the maximum who was interned for the
31:08
position for which he will not aspire again for the PJ puppetry. Well,
31:12
hurt yourselves, but also waiting for that to happen. Same thing. In
31:15
the national we talk about Cristina, seeing where one goes. He throws it
31:21
to his son with blood, which is maximum, He throws it to Axel,
31:23
who is his political son, How he will have to Axel in some
31:27
way. I do not know how to install in time postperonism, post-
31:33
continentalism, pro- cristinism. How it' s a little a priori.
31:36
I' m asking you a lot, surely, but I' m telling
31:40
you the truth you' re asking is very difficult. It seems to me
31:41
that he already has a general concept as how to forgive. It' s
31:45
not a bad sound. You don' t think so, that the general
31:51
concept is and they' re going to be the hair. Generism is always
31:52
going to be the same, it' s going to peel, always stop
31:56
at the same place, if it' s not a water. But what
32:01
happens is that there it is raised that we were right, It had to
32:08
have been harder all the time and the blame was alone.Álvaro, let
32:15
' s say clear Alberta' s faults, even of Mas' s policies.
32:19
So I have nothing to do with what seems to me to say that
32:23
today rest of the teronism, that' s not going to accompany him.
32:25
But, well, it' s a discussion that' s open. I
32:29
' m not about pichita says I' m a right Peronism, that I
32:32
' m a pelonist when I' m already printing down. He' s
32:36
a Peronist. I don' t think it' s called guns, opening
32:40
a discussion in Peronism, but that' s good, it' s going
32:46
to take you a while. It is not all open, yes, and
32:52
that if not, from which place you can speak to me yar cries of
32:57
Pichetto Quisil, who is the son of quinerismo, from where it is convenient
33:01
for you to place yourself for that debate that logically puts you in the middle.
33:07
Yes, because if you' re going to pretend that it' s
33:09
the edge, it' s going to complicate you with the rest and you
33:14
break the question that you complicate yourself, it' s not in an easy
33:15
place. Well, of course that' s the point of view. And
33:22
Cristina, how you see her in this whole game. I see Cristina again
33:27
trying to take the initiative, but it seems to me like she' s
33:36
trying to lead the whole thing that can' t drive it because she stopped
33:43
being the person who had to grab public attention. I think the attention of
33:49
a pole. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
33:52
You go up the same way, you put it, the more you have,
33:59
the same way it' s in, it' s the one that
34:00
has the most votes. It would have to do with Kislovse and overcome her.
34:01
I' m saying what' s going on is that it' s
34:04
still coming out. I mean, it' s impostable. He doesn'
34:06
t have an impossible majority, but as long as he already tested it in
34:13
two thousand nineteen he wasn' t a candidate, he saw that he couldn
34:15
' t do it anymore. Yeah, he could totally good, totally,
34:17
totally. And Axel sees him with a certain strength to go in quotation marks
34:23
very grossly more. If he does what he does, I don' t
34:30
know he went to chubu to Va, south or north. You can do
34:35
an intelligent thing as in your time I try to do, or that I
34:40
know how to think what came out in the governed of the preference in Buenos
34:44
Aires, but also to the whole country is what someone who acquires candidate and
34:50
is above the factions has to do. The same thing, what it has
34:55
is a factional discussion, but it has to say what Peronism is, what
35:00
a country it wants if it exists, I repeat with the country it is
35:06
thinking about. Cristina was thinking of two thousand fifteen. Well, die.
35:09
That' s going to be very complicated. It doesn' t do them
35:14
in the future, it doesn' t solve anything, but well, but
35:19
the sector within the but we have to think that we have to go back
35:22
to tell you I then I hope that you have it very clear still yes
35:28
what is new and that if you have to move them very carefully, because
35:30
I also say it has not and it remains as if it kills the mother.
35:30
Not very subtly, very diplomatically, not good, obviously, but good.
35:37
I' m not a starter in that relationship to talk about, but
35:39
politically, when I didn' t get her out, I' d inherit
35:44
to see someone say. It is very difficult for someone to move forward if
35:52
they give us the battle with Christianity within Peronism. If you want to do
35:57
something else at some point, you have to make the battle very clear.
36:00
It doesn' t mean I wanted this moment not entirely. Thank you so
36:06
much. What to call uy here in construction problem a little bit shorter than
36:12
expected because some of his intelligences that recellulario arranged, because we have arranged for
36:15
game, for merepo, everything to have tomorrow in a program of luxury,
36:17
closing the week with Romer and Eduardo Fidanza. Now we' re on to
36:22
luxury. Let' s talk. We talked a lot, as you saw
36:23
there, the last of the opposition, the periodism is going to analyze a
36:28
little bit, this a little bit the side more of the pro and the
36:30
resuscitation of macrico that awaits me in lines as I have told you so many
36:34
times already of North America, the friend Gustavo Farrari Wolferson Don, Gustavo,
36:37
my friend, how it goes, how you are and walking very good afternoon,
36:44
thirty- five degrees of temperature, forty- two of sensation term in
36:50
the city of Tulumma, so the nominal thirty- five doubles. We are
36:52
in seventeen pleasant, the seventeen that no longer speak of technique, but already
36:55
names. Not good here is not good anyway, but let' s say
37:01
so. This one sends his regards. Joseph Henry is Arabia, whom you,
37:08
yourself, know to me who Joseph Enríquez Arabia was. No. That
37:13
is why I ask you is not a famous venezola, not an author who
37:19
at the age of fifteen wrote a famous bolero that was called anxiety and that
37:27
is where I was told that you are singing those songs. I love very
37:30
anxious. There, yes, there are people who don' t finish interpreting
37:37
my dynamism, which gives me even stress. I tell him yesterday I go
37:39
to you sometimes your anxiety is worse than Miley' s dollar. No.
37:44
No, there' s no anxiety. I call them dynamism and that gives
37:47
me stress. In fact, yesterday a video consults with a dramatologist, because
37:51
I have a problem riba of the eyebrow. He said no, that'
37:52
s stress. Well, so good, but good I let you talk and
37:54
you even thirty and you listen to me or you modeon me ba listen happens
38:01
to me. We went from a peronism specialist, as is the famous Waime.
38:06
Some famed Wolfilson we agreed to speak to today. If I do the
38:09
times, my name is Mauría Apecho, but it could be Mauricio. It
38:13
changes it. The name is Mauricio Macri. I feel I' m about
38:15
to resume pro two. Gustavos Ferrer wolf Son, specialist in political consulting,
38:19
government management and communication. I' ll do two. Gustavo beats me a
38:24
lot to my law and I run the risk of being absorbed, especially if
38:28
it goes well with him, I don' t hit myself and if I
38:31
hit him and it goes wrong, in quotation marks. I also get stuck
38:34
and fall with him, that is, what the pro does now. I
38:36
' m not talking about precampus together, I' m talking about pro at
38:37
this hour. I' d ask Mauricio Macris if he' d buy someone
38:40
coffee. Well, he could tell you what I think he' s been
38:45
pointing out for over a year. We are the same, but more elaborate
38:53
and perhaps more institutional. The problem is that on that train, on which
39:00
we say, he got on the President and Macne is watching. If you
39:07
go up or make a parallel line. It' s like on the highways,
39:12
not the toll road and the freeway or the collector' s a little
39:17
bit the same. The point is how fast I want to drive or move
39:27
and with what members I' m going to have that space and I think
39:32
it' s the indefiniteness that he' s had right now that the pro
39:36
has it. At the time, they beat him on the court. If
39:38
they hadn' t earned it and they would be government and they didn'
39:45
t know exactly how to see it and there, look at me and use
39:53
their words the dynamism that came back as a locomotive that broke down. They
39:55
didn' t understand that I know that I mean, burgas weighed institutionally and
40:01
there are the consequences. Then it is very difficult at this time for a
40:07
party that has become bourgeois to begin to want to recover the flags that did
40:15
so at the time. It' s been 15 years. It also participates
40:19
in an important change in Argentine politics, because even that same youth who joined
40:25
who at the time believed, already today it is also in another generational stage.
40:31
I' m even going to use that word. He has become bourgeois
40:36
and does not have the spirit of political hunger struggle they had fifteen years ago.
40:43
They won the court, so what he can say, that he has
40:47
reaffirmed it, we think the same, but we are more prolijos. Now
40:54
the question is whether this dynamism should be seen to have given me the word
41:04
really this one that officialism has at the moment. They could incorporate it or
41:09
recoil it or recycle it in the new generations. And that' s where
41:16
I find myself, let' s say large spaces of doubt, because the
41:25
pro I think is going to become a more conservative party, where he'
41:37
s going to travel a militancy to more prolific members, but he' s
41:46
also not helping them push the dynamics that the government that President Miley wants to
41:51
impose today. Then let' s say maybe why they can' t put
41:57
that dynamic, why it doesn' t serve me. They don' t
42:01
have the transgressive elements that they had at the time and that today my date
42:07
earned it, unless he can say in football terms, I continued with this
42:13
rhythm and I' m going to support your defense so that they don'
42:16
t score us goals against. That I think might be, in my humble
42:21
opinion, perhaps an alternative to working on a sort of tandem but no longer
42:29
protagonism. I mean, yeah, and from the tactical, I' m
42:37
still Mauricio Macri. No And I agree we go in general, then there
42:40
are district issues and more, but we go to common unified lists, to
42:45
the legislative ones where it comes or it suits us for an identity issue and
42:50
for a topic perhaps to achieve more legislators even separate that together we go apart.
42:53
You may have definitions, but I think there should be an agreement to
43:00
see already happened in this last election as in turn happened in the one he
43:05
competed in, the thirds weakened governance. So what, in my opinion,
43:14
the President has to guarantee for next year' s elections is governance and the
43:21
realization of his projects or of his political, economic, social, etcetera project.
43:30
If we start generating separate paths from now on, we will suffer the
43:37
same wear and tear. Let' s say that it generated this last election
43:45
that at the bottom of the result was with FORCEPS, which should not have
43:52
been reached then, I believe that a common space of dialogue, of encounter,
43:57
of positions must be established, of adding who has each of their fichitas
44:04
in each of the districts are stronger here. Truly their purpose is to fully
44:10
weaken Quisnerism. So it' s a decision, let' s say I
44:27
knew going together, not why you' re talking to me about quisnerism.
44:29
You think that Quisnerism will continue to dominate Peronism. You can' t call
44:34
him Peronism There' s not going to be a little back there. Yeah,
44:36
they still have the box. A Peronism without a box does not work
44:43
and what box you say because province of Buenos Aires manages it here if we
44:46
are, it is seeing deciding well and stopping in the middle or it makes
44:51
you post- crit post- quinerism. But it' s okay. But
44:53
it still depends on Cristina. I mean, she doesn' t have the
45:00
gutter and she starts cutting a little bit and how she cuts it just by
45:08
cutting off the box, but it' s her. But then, in
45:10
this case it would have to be Kisilo and the men of Urbano, who
45:15
are the food to see. My question is sometimes too primitive. Who garpa
45:22
the Patria Institute, the lady of its millions kept in the coffers of the
45:30
mausoleums of Patagonia. I do not think it is part of a political project
45:37
that will be financed from different parts of Congressional quotas, parliamentary quotas, quotas
45:43
for Urbano, etc. And from the province of Buenos Aires. Well,
45:52
if we cut the canilla out of all that, well, what' s
45:57
Cristina' s leading role? Who' s going to do the multi-
46:00
dinary act in Atlanta, is Mrs Mendoza in the urban cone, etcetera,
46:07
etcetera. Let' s see them handle the box. In the box it
46:15
carries good, but so that you have a hand carving even in its unpopularity,
46:20
as it has macri day to make majority. He' s still on
46:23
his feet, and I don' t know if he' s the first
46:24
minority. That leadership will have to be discussed with him. I end up
46:27
in public here. If I tell Cristina Fernández, the box helps, but
46:30
the leadership imprints that I reprove and censurate. But I say Christiana Fernández doesn
46:35
' t just come from the box. No, not his political gunmen,
46:39
well, but his armed puerón testicos. Not good of his image and his
46:44
faithfulness. I don' t know. The fifteen to twenty or what I
46:45
want to see today of the uado, but to see to see it is
46:50
not an invention of the box today soctaly good, but you are much partice
46:54
of I say you in the sense. There is also a space that is
46:58
participative. Let' s say that projection. She doesn' t immolate herself.
47:04
I do it and look what I will point out I remember many years
47:10
ago and I think that much more must be remembered there. The former President
47:15
of Macri, when in the last stage of Maradona in Boca, until that
47:21
last positive test came out, said that all the parties were looking for a
47:28
gill to pee in a cup to appease it, until one day they said
47:35
enough and good with the typical brabuconadas of the diego. It said good.
47:39
If not, tomorrow he left football and I will not forget that the next
47:44
day, like it was an even tell you a media agreement all the pages
47:50
of the Buenos Aires newspapers leave football Diego Maradona saying now you already said it
47:54
here is public. You can' t fuck others. Then he started it.
48:04
He started selling the image through statements that we say were the ball doesn
48:10
' t stain good things like that or that, or he has it inside,
48:15
etcetera, etcetera. No, but he didn' t drag beyond his
48:20
nostalgic figure. Let' s say a space inside and I think with Cristina
48:23
it' s going to be the same. I mean, which one is
48:27
the one that saves your aspiration. Be good, I' m already building
48:30
and in three years I' m back the candidate, but no, I
48:35
don' t think so, but well, then it' s there.
48:37
And in the case of Axel, well Axel doesn' t have a structure
48:43
of his own today, he doesn' t have a leadership of his own
48:46
to say I' m the future. Even anyone has to base it on
48:51
that. That' s why you' re already here today You have an
48:57
exact nullity And the question is why Axel to see, look at what I
48:59
' m saying. Sometimes it' s crazy. Let' s say this
49:06
total why not. Mr Infran, I have experience. Twenty- five,
49:10
thirty years ago I' m governor. Why can' t I knock down
49:13
a or, because it has a totally negative image, that doesn' t
49:17
have to say silo, but you can build it. If you don'
49:21
t have to see it, it doesn' t have it and it blooms
49:27
where we talk about negative image. Good wait, because it is close because
49:30
it is on the other side of the general peace and you see it every
49:34
day it may seem, it may appear country. You make me return that
49:37
if I fist it here, if it was in the middle of the tide
49:42
of freedom, to see, because re- elected not from the Province of
49:45
Buenos Aires for putting only one data and Providence is going to wait already I
49:46
leave you and the Province of Buenos Aires is thirty- seven percent the standard.
49:50
Well, why don' t you ask Don Antonio Cafiero in his grave.
49:57
Yeah, yeah, well, well, he had the whole thing with
50:00
the province government, he had all the pictures of the thing and he showed
50:05
up a guy and fran because he was an ifran from the' 80s and
50:10
so on and there he is and yesterday they re- dressed the government house
50:15
with his statue, yeah? I' m sorry I made these comparisons so
50:23
much. But we all see Axel axel Axel is a governor, but let
50:28
' s see what he did, how the province really has, who holds
50:32
it, what doesn' t hold it. It' s not a pact
50:37
with the Accords, as you say there. He does have the x percent
50:42
of the votes of a presidential election, but that' s why he has,
50:49
let' s say, the launch pad OK needs, obviously, Roskear,
50:59
with that sort of still influence. Let' s say regional, Cristina
51:05
' s, in certain provinces, but nothing more. So, if the
51:12
will really is to say good, maybe of my law and of macle that
51:15
would be in its purpose, that is, bury the good equinerism, then
51:22
you need a really base alliance to compete and not divide and good and that
51:30
the differences are not for twenty cents, but for three, four or five
51:35
pesos, where it is noticed that the power of it is already diminishing,
51:39
I do not say disappearing will diminish and that, in turn, the boxes
51:46
that feed all that I keep saying no, that is also a problem of
51:50
boxes. They really allow him to maintain all that media apparatus of press,
51:59
of media of like of diffusion. No, there' s a famous parable.
52:07
They joked not that Jesus Christ. One day he tells the apostles to
52:13
say that this weekend I' m going to talk. Then the apostles come
52:19
down and say the Master will speak. And on Sunday, when they meet
52:23
the Master, the Master says they know why I called them not. And
52:29
if you don' t know what you came for the next Sunday, he
52:36
tells you to go and call him back. So the people start to think,
52:39
they say maybe we didn' t light up, we didn' t
52:44
understand the message, let' s say yes, we know so that he
52:51
can continue the story and the call to Domingo you know why I called them
52:57
and everyone says yes and the answer was if they already knew what horn they
53:02
came to on the third Sunday the same thing happened. So the people say
53:04
we still don' t understand the signal. Let' s say yes half
53:07
and that the other clear well, then pass that parable. They get there
53:15
and he asks yes. One part says yes, another part says no.
53:19
He says so. It can' t be that there is discord between the
53:24
brothers repeat to me, please, you know it is. If they are
53:27
why I have called them again say yes no. If it doesn' t
53:30
say well, then let those who know tell the others. If he leaves,
53:35
that' s a little bit. Christine' s parable. It'
53:37
s really good. That' s very good. I like it a lot.
53:42
It' s very good. Well, so good. Maybe I'
53:45
m afraid of that. I think we' ll see what we expect,
53:52
because for that there was the whole process of last year, of mentality,
54:00
of choice of a new train that joined the track. But the question is
54:06
whether we' re still paying the toll or going for the collector. We
54:09
' re both gonna make it, but with what times, with what people,
54:16
with what kind of machines and who the drivers are. The prot hasn
54:21
' t renewed his paintings. On the contrary, they were gentrified by government
54:29
officials. I' m not telling you we' re going to use the
54:34
same people who are turning Christmas a good all those people this ritondi that were
54:44
let' s say bulwarks of what was pro good. What is your choice
54:49
and the answer is we think the same thing, but we are more institutions,
54:53
more elaborate, more negotiators. We learned the dialogue. Okay. The
54:59
question is whether it is really what follows in terms of public opinion, whether
55:05
those results are the product of dialogue, or say good. To see we
55:09
finished and curiously the opposition and was reflected in last week' s strike,
55:15
continues to play with the nostalgia of having been and the pain of no longer
55:20
being no because to see they represent no one. We talked about it last
55:27
week, in the good sense, not to anyone to the hopes of growth
55:32
a guy who has fifty years ago control of a union still thinks like fifty
55:37
years ago, not like the dynamics of today asks the writing. It'
55:44
s not a bit unpunished to open a king context you. There' s
55:49
got to be a bust of every president in the pink. Not me because
55:51
it' s progress right. I see which one I' m good at,
55:54
we can' t do what I prioritize. Highlight, but I say
55:55
I lacked the taste of men in welcome. Now he did not know or
56:00
stand out so much speaking that he is the best President of the last forty
56:04
years, when he has an economic management. But he wants that you can
56:07
also look without horses and the economy of the vast if he stabilized it.
56:10
But above all, it has and this is criticized in old tweets that went
56:15
out to port day. The vice president saw her and President Villaruel has a
56:17
whole patina of corruption convictions in the justices and others that are not talked about,
56:22
because I can tell the truth I rescue Menem' s economic legacy and
56:24
in the issues of corruption such thing did not throw out people nor is mentioned.
56:29
Let' s say not allegorical enough. That' s what I sap
56:32
your figure. Yes, it' s allegorical, but it' s part
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of a process to see one speaks of New York City, for example.
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Who changes the face of New York City, Mayor Shugliani, the model,
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the guy is told to this day to continue giving lectures at$ 200,
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000 in the talk of how he changed in New York and is spattered by
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acts of corruption. And there is a famous case also in the 1930s the
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Guard. The Guard was another famous mayor of New York, also that was
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stopped for seeing we have the case of us who transformed Buenos Aires, Carlos
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Grosso, who still says with cause not the issue, that is, to
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see what is the cost of the transformation and what surrounds it. Evidently,
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I think the figure of Menem, whom I do not embrace either, but
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marks a water part. He saw the moment, logically also of the time
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where that was the way. He realized it could be very romantic, but
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you couldn' t. I a specific case, they say that when one
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day he gets off from a trip to the outside, he goes down,
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I saw him and travels let' s say goes to the Casa Rosada,
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so it is the Richelie and said to see a city with Buenos Aires can
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not have this road but of waist full, of potholes of one hand,
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not that type of vision. Evidently, from there on, who makes it,
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whether it is filled or not god knows. He gave him thirty-
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forty sixty percent of the Commission. These are things that today' s justice
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was also due at the time. But let' s say the same process,
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which is a closed turn. Not perhaps that same justice that we say
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they still have the same rates of corruption. Then he did not consider or
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protect himself so as not to convict the President. Although the President was there
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for the third river, he was imprisoned. I remember Horse. He was
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imprisoned in Mayo camp. No, no, no, he was in the
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male field and you didn' t remember who was in the fifth of gossiping
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folkloric Olympic characters of that, of that i But, this one we have
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also seen presidents who, logically, came to you through coups de estado,
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did not have a popular support at the time. Not then. I believe
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that history must be analyzed in every moment of life, with its tragedies,
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of course, with its tragedies and with its pleasures and so on. And
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well, we' re not going to like anyone, but it' s
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time to see the bust that didn' t like it, changed the exchange
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rate and the taste has to be, as I say, a constitutional president.
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It has to be. Don' t question now that you sent it
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to the last Alfonsín. I don' t remember here well, that'
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s chicanerías. Seeing the night can catch an ordinance. In turn, to
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the place, no one is going to give either you imagine GUTs. Darling.
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Well, next Wednesday. Listen to the bolero. Listen to the bolero.
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I' m gonna listen to the bolero, but I' m talking
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to my lawyer. I don' t know if this goes for any here
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to the moon in Juliaépoque apart made it public. So if some document
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cake comes in, I don' t know in a week, because it
1:00:02
' s slow the mail here this one will find out what to have in
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the meantime. Next Wednesday, I invite you to air again. Well,
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I would answer you as Andrés Manuel López Obrador is other information and other data.
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