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Joe Rogan Experience _1922 - Sam _ Colby(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 3: How'd you make it back?
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  Speaker 1: So, we were just doing some stupid TikTok stuff during
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  Speaker 1: the pandemic, and we were all challenging each other to do, like,
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  Speaker 1: stupid stuff. And for some reason, I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: a great idea to try to jump off of a
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  Speaker 1: second-story balcony onto a beanbag. But I missed the beanbag.
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  Speaker 4: Missed the beanbag completely. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And you broke your back?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I did it a couple times the previous week,
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  Speaker 1: and I was.
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  Speaker 3: Like, oh, I got this.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be fine. And then I missed
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  Speaker 1: the Levine bag. I think I only fractured a couple
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  Speaker 1: bones there, but it definitely took.
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  Speaker 3: Me a while. That's a real problem, though.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Is this your... Oh, jeez.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, please, God.
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  Speaker 1: It's gruesome if you actually see it.
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  Speaker 3: So what did you... Oh, Jesus. So did you have
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  Speaker 3: to get surgery?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have to get surgery, but I was in
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  Speaker 1: a back brace for like... six months.
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  Speaker 4: Whoa.
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  Speaker 1: So that was really bad.
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  Speaker 3: Do you ever wonder that like you guys are in
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  Speaker 3: all these fucking haunted places. Do you ever wonder if
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  Speaker 3: you're carrying any of that shit around with you?
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  Speaker 1: Well, uh, definitely. What was crazy is a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people think that, uh, the sign of something being with
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  Speaker 1: you is like back pain. But now that I've broken
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  Speaker 1: my back, I'm like, I can't, I can't make that.
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  Speaker 3: Connection right there.
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  Speaker 1: That's a real back pain.
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  Speaker 3: Not like, Well, there's back pain where people just like,
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  Speaker 3: there's psychosomatic back pain. Like there's a guy named John,
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  Speaker 3: wasn't it John Sarnos? Is that his name? He had
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  Speaker 3: this weird theory about back pain that applied to some people.
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  Speaker 3: Not people with actual real injuries, but some people. That
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  Speaker 3: it's all in your head. That it's people that are
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  Speaker 3: like deeply stressed out and fucked up and it manifests
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  Speaker 3: itself as back pain. And somehow or another through his teaching,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people, including Howard Stern. Didn't Howard Stern
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  Speaker 3: have a thing with his back where John Sarno's fixed it?
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  Speaker 6: There's a picture of him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, America's most famous back pain doctor said pain is
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  Speaker 3: in your head. Thousands think he's right. Well, millions think
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  Speaker 3: he's wrong, though.
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  Speaker 1: Brother, that doesn't work.
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  Speaker 3: He's not right. Like, sometimes you have fucking real back pain.
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  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to get that fixed. But for crazy people,
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  Speaker 3: for some people, like, you know, you just have something
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  Speaker 3: in your head and it's like, my back. But it's
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  Speaker 3: really your psychology.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: You're carrying it around with you.
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  Speaker 1: No, speaking of carrying things around, a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: warn us that, like, because we go into so many
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  Speaker 1: haunted places, they're like, guys, you should be careful. Like,
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  Speaker 1: aren't you worried about bringing this home or bringing this
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  Speaker 1: to other people?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we walked in here, obviously. It's probably just
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  Speaker 1: a coincidence. We walked here, and immediately, you know, your
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  Speaker 1: curtain fell over.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not saying that's a terrible moment.
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  Speaker 3: A curtain has been up for two years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Never had a problem. And then Jamie asked you a question.
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  Speaker 3: Do you guys ever investigate anything that's bullshit? And you're like, yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: And then boom, the curtain falls.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's rigged.
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  Speaker 4: Like they're listening. It's terrifying.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm wondering.
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  Speaker 1: Jamie, was that something you set up?
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  Speaker 3: Definitely isn't. I know Jamie. He's 100% anti-bullshit. Do you
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  Speaker 3: feel like that's possible that you could carry something like
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  Speaker 3: that with you?
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  Speaker 1: Um, we have a lot of people that tell us
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  Speaker 1: that we don't necessarily buy into it all that much.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's definitely things that reoccur place to place. And
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  Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, the same, it's not supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be the same haunting or whatever, but we get
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  Speaker 1: the same thing that we think has been following us
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  Speaker 1: from multiple places. Do we a hundred percent buy that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But what's really weird is when people will look you
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  Speaker 1: dead in the eye and they'll be like, there is
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  Speaker 1: someone behind you. And I've seen them for there for
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  Speaker 1: like an hour. And I'm like, I can't see that.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm also not going to like brush that off
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  Speaker 1: my shoulder and saying that's like not there.
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  Speaker 3: So someone has said there's someone behind you, but there's
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  Speaker 3: no one behind you. So who are these people that
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  Speaker 3: said there's someone behind you?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, a bunch of different people like for us,
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  Speaker 1: we talk to a lot of. people that are like
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  Speaker 1: mediums or like they like do tours or ghost hunts
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  Speaker 1: or anything like this, but obviously.
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  Speaker 3: Sketchy people. Maybe. A little sketchy.
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  Speaker 4: Potentially.
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  Speaker 1: We can't see these types of things, so we've got
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  Speaker 1: to take other people's word for it.
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  Speaker 3: We're not seeing these people. Part of the problem is
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  Speaker 3: there's like an incentive to sense things and feel things.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not anti-ghost by any stretch of the imagination. I
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  Speaker 3: am open-minded, but I know that there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people that like to pretend that They like to pretend
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  Speaker 3: they have psychic powers. They like to pretend they know things.
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  Speaker 3: They like to pretend they've experienced things. I've talked to
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  Speaker 3: so many people that have experienced UFOs. I've talked to
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  Speaker 3: Bigfoot people. They've met Bigfoot. There's people that pretend. But
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  Speaker 3: then there's also the thing that freaks me out about
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  Speaker 3: ghosts is that it's been a reoccurring theme throughout human history.
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  Speaker 3: And it's always it seems to be connected to some
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  Speaker 3: horrific death. Like, whenever there's a horrific death, it's almost
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  Speaker 3: like that horrible moment, like, burns space and time and
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  Speaker 3: leaves a residue.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people think that's, like, trauma, like, built
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  Speaker 1: into the place or, like, energy's there.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: To your point, though, what's crazy about it is everybody, like,
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  Speaker 1: has had experiences over time. Like, you walk into any room,
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  Speaker 1: and whether people believe or whether people don't, someone's got
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  Speaker 1: a story. Someone's like, okay, I don't know if I believe,
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  Speaker 1: but this one time this happened. And so the fact
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  Speaker 1: that everyone, pretty much no matter where you go, has
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  Speaker 1: some sort of story, even if they're skeptical, it makes
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  Speaker 1: you wonder, what if? What else is out there?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been countless of times where we'll go to
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  Speaker 4: these spots and maybe after hearing the story, we don't
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  Speaker 4: think it's going to be special at all. But the
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  Speaker 4: person who owns the spot is like, I levitated last week.
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  Speaker 4: Just staring us straight in the eyes, no hesitation about it.
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  Speaker 4: And like, obviously we've never experienced something that intense with
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  Speaker 4: the paranormal, but having dozens of people, like every place
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  Speaker 4: we go to say that it's like, how do you,
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  Speaker 4: when someone says they levitate.
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  Speaker 3: Just say, Hey, next time, set up your iPhone. How
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  Speaker 3: about film yourself levitating?
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: You look at them and be like, are you sure?
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  Speaker 3: Like how, what kind of meds are you on while
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  Speaker 3: you're levitating?
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  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: Have you guys ever been to the comedy store?
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  Speaker 4: No, but we were trying to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I can set that up. The Comedy Store is,
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  Speaker 3: without a doubt, haunted. If there's a place that's haunted
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  Speaker 3: in the world, it's the Comedy Store. Because it used
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  Speaker 3: to be a mob nightclub, and they've murdered people there. 100%.
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  Speaker 3: It was Bugsy Siegel's Nightclub. It was called Ciro's. And
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  Speaker 3: in the 1950s... Was it the 50s and the 60s?
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  Speaker 4: Is that what it was?
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  Speaker 3: It started in the 40s, actually. In the 40s?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a famous... old mob run nightclub that Mitzi
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  Speaker 3: Shore took over in the 1970s so the the place
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  Speaker 3: has this feel to it like it's been run you
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  Speaker 3: know as an entertainment venue for you know 70 years
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  Speaker 3: or something crazy like.
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  Speaker 1: That isn't there a bunch of like underground passageways.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah there's supposedly there was actually an article about this
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  Speaker 3: house on Crest Hill here Whitney Cummings sent it to
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  Speaker 3: me so I'll send it to you Jamie but I
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  Speaker 3: almost bought this house In the 1990s. In the 1990s,
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  Speaker 3: they were selling this house that the Comedy Store owned
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  Speaker 3: right above the club. Is it this one? Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the one that's connected.
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  Speaker 3: To the Comedy Store? Yes, there's supposedly a tunnel. Because
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  Speaker 3: that's right above and to the left of the Comedy Club.
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  Speaker 3: And that was also owned by Bugsy Siegel. Stories from
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  Speaker 3: the comedians who inhabited Crest Hill, the house above the
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  Speaker 3: Comedy Store. So that house was for sale. The comedy
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  Speaker 3: store was selling it. Mitzi was going to sell it.
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  Speaker 3: But the problem was, if you go back to that photo,
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  Speaker 3: it's got, like, this tiny little bullshit yard. Like, that's
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  Speaker 3: the yard. And I have a dog. I had a
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  Speaker 3: dog back then, too. And I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to leave my dog in this bullshit yard.
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  Speaker 1: Ever find some fucking yard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my dog needed a yard. And also, it's just
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  Speaker 3: too weird to be that close to the comedy store.
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  Speaker 3: There were so many stalkers and freaks. Yeah. have people
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  Speaker 3: just showing up at your house.
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  Speaker 4: It's just right on the boulevard, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crest Hill's right off the boulevard, but
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  Speaker 3: it's right there. It's a two-minute walk from Sunset.
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  Speaker 4: I've heard comedians like Bobby Lee in the past say
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  Speaker 4: that they've had issues there. People won't even work with
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  Speaker 4: them just based on the fact that he's worked there
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  Speaker 4: for so long.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, I don't know too much about that, but he's
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  Speaker 4: talked about that in other podcasts and stuff. That's haunted? Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: where he says it's very haunted and like people don't
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  Speaker 4: want to work with him because he works there.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 4: It's like everybody like that works there.
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  Speaker 3: That might be an excuse for why they don't want
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  Speaker 3: to work with Bobby.
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  Speaker 4: That could be it.
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  Speaker 3: Bobby, it might be you. I've never heard anybody say
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  Speaker 3: that before. I can't work with you because you work
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  Speaker 3: at that haunted place.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. They just don't want to be like around
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  Speaker 4: that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there are 100% are people that have stories, including
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  Speaker 3: multiple comedians, multiple managers of the place, waitresses at the place.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot of people that had stories of like
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  Speaker 3: seeing weird things and meeting people that weren't there.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever had an experience like that?
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  Speaker 3: No, I tried. I went down in the basement one
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  Speaker 3: day by myself. I walked into the main room by myself.
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  Speaker 3: Carl LeBeau, who recently passed away, Carl had the weirdest story.
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  Speaker 3: He got kicked out of his house. He got in
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  Speaker 3: a fight with his wife and he got kicked out
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  Speaker 3: of his house. And he went to the comedy store
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  Speaker 3: and decided he was going to sleep on the stage
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  Speaker 3: in the main room. And he's like, man, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to fucking make it. I'm sleeping on this stage. She's
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  Speaker 3: going to kick me out of the house, but one
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  Speaker 3: day I'll fucking show you. And so he's drunk, and
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  Speaker 3: he lays down on the stage, and then he hears
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  Speaker 3: a doorbell.
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  Speaker 4: Shut.
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  Speaker 3: And the Comedy Store main room is pitch black, right?
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  Speaker 3: So this is what it looks like. But that's only
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  Speaker 3: when the lights are on. So he's laying down, and
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  Speaker 3: he hears a door shut. And he goes, hey, it's Carl.
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  Speaker 3: It's me, Carl. Who is that? And then he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: hear shit. And then he hears chairs moving. He hears
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  Speaker 3: like clink, clink, clink, clink.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: And he's sitting there. He's going, what the fuck is
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  Speaker 3: going on? And something grabs his ankle and pulls him
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  Speaker 3: off the stage and onto the floor. And then he
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  Speaker 3: hears chairs moving again. And bam, the door shuts and
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  Speaker 3: slams and nothing else. There's no one in the room.
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  Speaker 3: He has no idea what the fuck happened. But he
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  Speaker 3: told that story on stage one night. It's like he
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  Speaker 3: set the tone. It's like spooky lighting. And it was
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  Speaker 3: really cool.
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  Speaker 1: So he got pulled by his ankle off of the stage.
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  Speaker 4: Off the stage.
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  Speaker 3: Multiple feet away. Yeah. Something grabbed him. He didn't see anyone.
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  Speaker 3: But something grabbed his ankle and pulled him off the
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  Speaker 3: stage and onto the floor. That's when you want security footage.
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  Speaker 3: Where's the cameras at? There's no cameras in that place.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe there is now, but they definitely wasn't back then.
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  Speaker 3: So you guys started out, you weren't. exploring haunted things
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  Speaker 3: you just started out like doing it was like abandoned things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah we've had a long run at this i
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  Speaker 1: think we've been doing youtube for like 10 years and
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  Speaker 1: it was abandoned and then before that it was like
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  Speaker 1: the trendy stuff and then even before that we started
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  Speaker 1: in public disturbance like just pranks and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So you started when you were in high school yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was 16 um like one month turning 17 so
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  Speaker 4: basically 17 we.
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  Speaker 3: Started and just for fun Just for fun.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, like, so a lot of it was also, um,
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  Speaker 4: because we wanted, like, we had a plan to become
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  Speaker 4: famous at the time because that's like 17 year olds.
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  Speaker 4: It's a whole long story to it. Um, but like
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  Speaker 4: as 17 year olds, like we, we just really wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do that. It was like a goal of ours.
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  Speaker 4: Cause we had just like become like really, really good
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  Speaker 4: friends at the time. And, um, after like learning how
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  Speaker 4: to be confident, we were very shy kids in high school, um,
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  Speaker 4: and learning how to be confident together, which again, we
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  Speaker 4: can get into that story if you'd like, but.
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  Speaker 3: Um, how did you learn how to be confident?
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  Speaker 4: We were both originally from Kansas, Overland Park, Kansas. We
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  Speaker 4: met in band camp when we were 14 years old.
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  Speaker 1: That one time at band camp right there. That's where
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  Speaker 1: this story starts.
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  Speaker 4: And you know that's like a horrible story when you
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  Speaker 4: start it off like that. But it was so bad
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  Speaker 4: to the point, like we were just like super socially
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  Speaker 4: awkward and very anxious people. Like a lot of people.
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  Speaker 3: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: But like I had, like it was so bad to
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  Speaker 4: the point where I had to like carry around these
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  Speaker 4: like Tums, the anti-acid pills to... just like honestly pop
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  Speaker 4: before each time I would go into like a new classroom.
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  Speaker 4: And just in case I got called on, I just
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  Speaker 4: wanted to make sure I wasn't freaking out internally. And
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  Speaker 4: so we bonded in band camp because we were both
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  Speaker 4: these like shy kids that didn't know how to talk
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  Speaker 4: to anybody.
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  Speaker 3: What did you play in band camp?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we did, we both did saxophone. I played marching
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  Speaker 4: band clarinet. Yeah. And it was like something that our
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  Speaker 4: parents like made us do as well.
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  Speaker 3: And so together you decided you were going to figure
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  Speaker 3: out how to be confident.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we were like, okay, both of us, you know,
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  Speaker 1: are sitting there awkwardly being like, okay, I like that girl.
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  Speaker 1: You like that girl. We both can't talk to her.
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  Speaker 1: So how do we fix this problem? And that was
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  Speaker 1: the like epitome of our friendship. That's very analytical.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. And especially for being, cause at that time
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  Speaker 4: we were 15, this was like before social media and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And so, um, we just decided one day we were like,
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  Speaker 4: why is Billy over there? Why can he talk like
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  Speaker 4: to the hottest girls in the grade? And we're over
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  Speaker 4: here like, crying in front of people like trying to
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  Speaker 4: talk and stuff it's not fair.
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  Speaker 3: Well there's an important lesson there and it's a lesson
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  Speaker 3: of honesty because some people want to pretend that they
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  Speaker 3: don't feel that way and if you pretend you don't
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  Speaker 3: feel that way but you really do you're never going
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  Speaker 3: to fix it so if you try to play cool
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  Speaker 3: and you're then you're just like setting yourself up and
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  Speaker 3: you're in a trap because now you have to admit
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  Speaker 3: somehow down the line that you were full of shit
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  Speaker 3: back then instead of facing the problem instead of facing
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  Speaker 3: the problem at 15 going hey why can't we talk
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  Speaker 3: to people what do we do Like, let's work this out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so what were the steps you took to work
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  Speaker 3: it out? Sell your soul to the devil?
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  Speaker 1: Pretty much, actually. It ended up getting to that point.
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  Speaker 1: And so here we are sitting right here. No, it
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  Speaker 1: was really like different. I mean, there wasn't that many
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  Speaker 1: things to do in Kansas besides exploring abandoned places and
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  Speaker 1: then going to the mall. So we decided, okay, what's
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  Speaker 1: going to help us with confidence? Let's go to the mall.
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  Speaker 1: And Colby and I would literally like have my dad,
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  Speaker 1: like this was before I had a car. So my
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: dad would drop us off at the mall. And I
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: told him, come pick us up at close. And me
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: and Colby would go back and forth and give each
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: other challenges. We're like, all right, I'm going to tell
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: you to go do this really horribly embarrassing thing out
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: in front of other people. And you either do it
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: or you do 100 push-ups. And then he'd say yes
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: or no. And I was like, okay, and then vice versa.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: And we'd go back and forth. And basically the goal
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: is just to put ourselves out of our comfort zone
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: as much as humanly possible.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: And, again, I think the only reason we were able to, like,
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: make this work is because we had, like, a brand-new friendship.
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: And so there was part of me that I was like,
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: I can't let this guy think I can't do this.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? And vice versa. And so, yeah,
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: like we were just looking up YouTube videos, like honestly,
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: like as embarrassing as it sounds, like how to pick
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: up girls, how to talk to people, like how to
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: be more social and stuff like that. And then we'd
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: take the things that we learned and then we'd go
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: to the mall and throw ourselves in like the most
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: uncomfortable situations just to like, Get out of our comfort
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: zone and, like, really take chances and, like, grow as people.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: That's actually very smart. That's the way to do it
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: because people are terrified of those interactions with people that
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: make you uncomfortable. But if you just, like, seek them
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: out over and over again, you eventually get comfortable being uncomfortable.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Get used to it.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: It's really smart.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, seeking failure and stuff like that. Like, if you
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: are comfortable with failure, then you can do anything. Because
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: then you just keep failing, keep failing, keep failing until
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: one day you succeed.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: The problem with failure is a lot of times people
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: let it define them. Like they think of themselves as
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: a failure because of not succeeding. Instead of thinking of
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: yourself as a human being who's learning and growing, you
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: think of yourself like, oh, my God, I'm the guy
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: who dropped the ball. I'm the guy who crashed the car.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I'm the guy who did these things. You think of
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: yourself as a failure. I'm the guy who flunked out
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: of school. I'm the guy who– You know, the girl
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: broke up with me. You start thinking of yourself as
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: like a person who fails. You don't think of failure
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: as like, like if you're playing a game and you're
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: learning a game, what you're doing is you're trying to
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: figure out how to be successful, but you're still you, right?
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: You're still the same thing. But when you fail enough times,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: it stains your brain and hurts your feelings so much
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: that you can self-define. And then you put parameters and
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: boundaries up and you define yourself as a failure. That's
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: what's really dangerous for people. That's why you got to
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: get back on the horse. That's why people say you
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: fall off the horse, get back on the horse. You
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: got it, which is terrible advice, by the way. If
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: you fall off a horse, you might fucking die. You
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: might break your back a little. Yeah, you can break
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: your back. But that's good that you guys decided to
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: do that because that's a really clever way to deal with,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: the inevitable awkwardness that everybody has when they're young.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Especially in high school and especially being in Kansas. Yeah.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: We were in the suburbs of Kansas City, so we
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: weren't in total cornfield type thing. But we definitely were
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: probably two minutes away from farmland and things like that.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: So like Sam was saying, all there was to do
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: out in Kansas were go to the mall on the
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: weekends or we had a bunch of abandoned places as well.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: So that's how that ties into later in life, getting
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: into that.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Luckily, you guys had YouTubes. You know, I mean, imagine
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: growing up there in the 70s with no YouTube.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: You don't get exposed to the rest of the world.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: You have to travel somewhere to find different cultures and
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: different ways that people communicate and just different life experiences.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, where we grew up was definitely like a bubble.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Like us starting to travel was like the best thing
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: ever for us. our personality and our understanding of the world.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Getting out of Kansas was like, you have to.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I talk for a living, but when I was younger,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I was very awkward, and I really had a hard
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: time talking to people, to the point where I'd get
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: anxiety if I had to go to the bank, because
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I knew that I had to go to the bank teller,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: and I knew how to talk to the teller. And
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I can remember going, what am I fucking scared of?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Why does this bother me so much? But I was
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: just scared to just talk to someone who was in
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: a position of power or someone who's in a position
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: of authority. It's weird now. Can I think about it?
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Because I'm so comfortable talking to people.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: What's weird is I think so many people think that
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: everyone cares. But spotlight effect, like you are living your world.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Everyone's living their own world. And so they think everything's
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: about them. Everyone's looking at them. But in reality, everyone's
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: focusing on themselves. Everyone's focusing on their own self.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: People do care if you're weird. Like if you're weirded
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: out and you weird them out, like, oh, my God,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: this guy's freaking out. He can't even talk. But if
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: you're okay, they're okay. It's like people feed off of
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: other people's energy.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: And it's also those situations where they might think you're
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: weird in the moment. But first of all, why would
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: you want to be friends with that sort of person
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: anyways if you just don't match up? And then secondly,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: you just don't think about it anymore. If you were
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: to see somebody do something embarrassing or weird, it's not
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: like you think about somebody else doing that all the time.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: It's like you take account of it and then move on.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: But in your own head, you're like, your biggest critique oh.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah as you're going to sleep like a hundred times right.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: People forgot about it and you carried around with you
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: forever and that kills it yeah it does it really
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: fucked it really fucks young people up like you could
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: go the wrong way at an early age and have
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: some bad experiences and those will define you for the
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: rest of your life you'll be 35 years old thinking
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: about something that went wrong when you're 16 and that's
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: really common yeah So you guys start out you're doing
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: these videos where you're just checking out abandoned places and
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: like what was the motive like you'd wanted to be
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: famous and you're like, well, we'll start making YouTube videos.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: And then like, so how does this get going?
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Okay. So like backing up just a little bit, like
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: after we learned how to be confident, like we probably
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: went to the mall, like when we were 15 for
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: like an entire year.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: So it's like a year bootcamp?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: It was literally like a year bootcamp.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Social bootcamp.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: And we knew we were going to be like best
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: friends because this was like when we truly bonded. Like
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: nobody in high school would be down to like go
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: to the mall and be like, hey, you want to
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: go talk to random people?
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Practice social skills?
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: What are you doing? Even like our family, like at
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: some points we're like, what? Like, I don't understand this.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: But once we learned how to become confident, we felt like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: and especially being 16, like we felt like on top
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: of the world, like we could do anything we wanted to.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: And so being a 16 mindset, 16 year old mindset,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: and like having like the social status of us being
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: like the band kids and just always wanted to like
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: fit in and be popular. We were just like, well,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: why don't we, you know, if you YOLO, you only
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: live once as cheesy as that is, it's like, why
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: don't we try to become famous in real life? And
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: so we started with Vine. We started with Vine, actually,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: the six-second videos for a while until it died and
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: then ended up transitioning over to.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: You remember Vine? I do remember Vine. Didn't Elon Musk
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: talk about... Doesn't, like, Twitter own Vine?
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: They talked about bringing it back, but I don't think
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: they've worked on it in 10 years, so it's 10-year-old technology.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: And TikTok took over. It's all TikTok now.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: TikTok's way better now.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: It's Chinese spyware.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Literally.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: They're literally, like, getting your fucking passwords and your location 24-7. Yeah.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: It's terrifying what they can do.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: It's weird.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: It's weird that everybody's just like, whatever.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Because it's so addicting.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: They're like, I can't give this up on my day-to-day life.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: It's hugely addicting. So you guys start out with these vines,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: and what were the vines about?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: So the vines were basically what we were doing as, like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: our experiments and challenges that we were doing, like, the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: last year. So it was all public pranks and disturbances. Like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: we would get on top of, like, the food court
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: lunch tables and do, like, a lightsaber battle. Or, like,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: we'd get together and do, like, a flash mob and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the whatever.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: But then.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Sadly, we got kicked out.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Of the mall because- We got banned from the mall.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: We got banned from the mall. Banned from your training ground.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: It was really sad.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: You got banned from the mall?
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: We can't even come back now. Yeah. Really? Like, we're
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: now 26, and we are still banned from the mall.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: What happened?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: We keep coming back, and they're like, get out of here.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Really? You're banned for life?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: We took- You know how, like, every single mall has, like,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: a seating area, like, every once in a while or whatever? Or, like,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: the dads, like, sit on there for a while? We
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: ended up, like, taking one of these couches and, like,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: putting it on an escalator and just, like, riding it up.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: And then just- Put it back down. That's it. And
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: we were just in for a really quick video. And, yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: they just thought we were, like, stealing the couch. And
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: so they sent us, like, super serious emails, like, you
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: can never come back. Sign this. Ever. Ever.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Well, this was, like, the 18th straw after, like, flash
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: mobs and, you know, singing in the courtrooms and stuff
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: like that. Like, they're like, all right, you guys just
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: got to get out of here. We're done with your shenanigans.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Well, it served its purpose.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it did. It did.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And so we were like, okay, well now we can't
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: go to the mall. What's the natural, natural next step.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: And it's like, we were about to graduate high school.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And so we heard about all the people out in LA, uh,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: all the collaborators. And I don't know if you remember,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: but there is this like massive apartment building with all
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the Viners that were all collabing together. And we're like,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: maybe we should go out to LA. So I took
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a trip out there just for like a week and said, okay,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: is this the spot to go? And we got back
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and asked our parents, like, hey, can we just not
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: go to college and, you know, pursue this thing full time?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And they were like, no.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Like, why?
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Like, no.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Like, why don't you do this? But then, you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: after talking with them, they're like, okay, main thing, we
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: want you guys to be okay in the financial world
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: or whatever. So as long as you can prove to
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: us that you can make money. They set a goal
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: of like, I think it was like $ 20, 000. If you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: guys can make 20 grand before you graduate, you can
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: move out and skip a year of college. And we're like,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: all right. Let's hit the ground running.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: And we just played the whole, we're doing a gap
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: year sort of thing on them. We were just like, listen, mom,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: if I fail, I'll go to KU next year. Already accepted,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: so let's just try it or whatever. And plus, they
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: had seen this whole journey. They saw our friendship. They
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: saw that we had something going on with the way
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: we were thinking about stuff. And so I think they
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: were just like, we can't really control them. Again, a
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: mom just wants you to be financially secure. And so
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: as soon as we were able to prove that, They
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: didn't care.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: So this was you guys were still in high school.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Still in high school. And how many followers did you
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: have on social media?
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: 300K.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe like 300,000.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: 300,000 is real. That's a real number. Yeah. So you
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: were getting some traction.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: It was like on the cusp of like, you know, L.A.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: rent is a lot. And so like when we were
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: thinking about it. $ 3, 000, $ 5, 000 to survive out in LA
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: per month. We're like, I don't know if we can
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: actually make that on Vine.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: What do you make on Vine? How did you make
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: money at all on Vine?
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Nothing.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Vine didn't have a monetization platform. So it was like
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: so difficult to make money. And so we do things
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: like live streaming or every once in a while we
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: get brand deals. But a lot of our income came
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: from touring. So we didn't really have a onstage talent.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: But we knew that was where the money was. And
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: so we're like, all right, let's one, get our names
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: out there by going on tour, and two, make some
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: money to be able to move out to L.A. And
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: so we'd host shows. We'd be like the emcee. And
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: in between acts, we'd come out, say a stupid story,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and then introduce the next act.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: What kind of shows?
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Social media shows where it's just like most talent there
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: were singers, but it was honestly just like a meet
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: and greet for guys, to be honest. A bunch of
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: girls would come to literally the first one ever was
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: called MagCon. It's just like all these girls will just
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: come and, like, meet their favorite YouTubers, meet their favorite Viners, whatever.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: And so we'd host that. These YouTubers and Viners would just,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: whatever they did, whether they played guitar or something, they
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: did something so they could do it publicly. But people
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: were just there to see them because they were the
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: person from YouTube.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Pretty much, yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And meet them and take pictures and stuff like that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Right. And so you guys did that for money for
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: a while. Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Luckily, that ended up working out. We didn't get our
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: entire goal, but our family was like, all right, you
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: guys go. making money, why not? So three days after
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: our high school graduation, we took the road out to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles without a plan. We didn't have, we didn't
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: know where we were going to stay. We didn't have
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: an apartment. We didn't really, we had like one friend
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: out there and we're just like, let's make this happen.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: However possible, we're going to make it happen.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Did you find the Vine apartment building?
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: We ended up.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: The next year we did. Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: We ended up living there like the next year, but
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: it took a long time because that one was one
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of the most expensive, expensive apartment buildings in Hollywood. So
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: we spent a year Like, saving up. Like, we were, like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the most stingy people ever. Like, our friends would want
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to go out for pizza, and we would eat before.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: And we're like, yeah, we're down to go out, but
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: we'll just sit there with our cup of water because
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: we want to save.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: The $ 20. All of our furniture was from the dumpster. Like,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: we'd just throw, like, covers over everything. And we were
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: just living very, very, like, we can't spend any money whatsoever.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: We only had one car out there. So it was
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: just grind mode. As soon as we got out there, like,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: the difference between, like, us and a lot of social
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: media kids that do try to make the journey to L.A.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: is we knew— We had to like prove ourselves and
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: we knew we had like a year tops. And so
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: we were doing everything we could to be like entrepreneurs
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: and start like side businesses and stuff like that. Come
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: out with merch, like just anything we could do to
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: generate revenue.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: So it starts out with, uh, you start doing these
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: vines and then you move to YouTube and was it
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: immediately the abandoned building thing? Or did you do other stuff?
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: We did YouTube, uh, like trendy stuff, like challenges or,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: or whatever, the question answer stuff, which we hated.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: For like two or three years. It was actually when
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Vine died that we realized, oh no, we need to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: figure something out.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: How many subscribers or followers did you have before it died?
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: On Vine, yeah, 1.7 million. Oh, it was happening. Yeah,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: it started again. It was getting there, getting there.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: But no money, no monetization. So we were like, we
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: have to move this over to YouTube so we can
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: set up AdSense and stuff.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: But the difference between a six second video and a
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: 10 minute long video is a whole different audience.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Well, how about what you're doing now? Exactly. You guys
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: are doing like little mini documentaries now. Exactly.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the fact that we started on six second
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: videos and now we do like 60 minute long videos
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: is very different.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: It's kind of funny. It's so weird. Yeah, but it
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: seems natural. Like, when you guys do it, it seems natural.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I told you my daughter's obsessed with you, and that's
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: how I found out about it. She forced me to
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: watch these videos. Forced.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Well, she did. She's like, you've got to see it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: You've got to see it. She loves ghosts. She's, like,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: fascinated by, like, horror movies and ghosts, which is, I
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: wonder if it's genetic. I was into that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I was into that in a huge way. I mean,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: you see the American Werewolf in London out there. I mean,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I've always been into horror movies and shit. I'm like,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: is this, like? Did I, like, get it in her
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: genes somehow or another? Because she's also an artist, too,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: which I used to do when I was younger. How
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: old is she? She's 12.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Okay, gotcha.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: So she tells me about it, and then she makes
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: me watch a bunch of the videos, and I'm like,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: how do these guys get started? Like, how does this
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: happen where you get to the point where now you're
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: ghost investigators?
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: What's crazy is, like, we never envisioned ourselves to do that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: No.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: We had a really like deep-seated interest in like the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: abandoned and like, you know, that was the only thing
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: to do in Kansas. So we like spent most of
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: our friendship in high school exploring abandoned places or creepy
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: buildings or haunted houses.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: And so were you in these abandoned buildings, were you
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: like going over the history of this place? Like this
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: used to be a factory or this used to be
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: a school or?
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Back in the abandoned days, it was different. Again, we
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: were trying to find ourselves on YouTube. And so the
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: best thing for us was just to be like genuinely
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: excited about something because we'd be doing these couch videos,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: doing these challenges and just hating what we were filming. Um,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: and so just capturing like, so a lot of like
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: what was already existing on YouTube at that time with
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: abandoned was, um, like more documentary style where people would
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: like start their video inside the place and then just
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: have like a very slow paced, like this is what
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: it's all about. And then goodbye. But what Sam and
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I wanted to do was like film the adrenaline side
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: of it, like film us running up to the place,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: hiding from the guards, like hiding from police. We don't
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: break into these places. We don't like vandalize anything, but
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: like sneak again, like all like the adventure part of it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: So we were, yeah, more adventure, less like history of it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: When we started.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Did you guys get in trouble for any of these?
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, a lot, like, well, and even in Kansas,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: like when we first started, what we realized is, you know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: being young looking kids that are doing this and like,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: we kind of got better and better at it. Like
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: we've figured out, okay, we can talk our way out
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: of the cops like every once in a while. And
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: that definitely happened. And I think at that point we
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: were just like, we find it so much more interesting
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: to have that sort of fear of we will get
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: caught because no one else is doing that. Like imagine
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: seeing someone actually putting, you know.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Crime on the line. Minor crime. Minor crime. Trust people.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: A little bit of trespassing. Exactly.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: But we got arrested eventually. Did you? Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Where'd you guys get arrested?
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Tampa, Florida.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Which is our first mistake.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Did you get thrown into the hooch? Like into the
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: lockdown with everybody? He did.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: I did for 24 hours. Sam didn't because... This is
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: so stupid.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: You got locked in for 24 hours?
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Like a little less than that, probably like 20 hours
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: or so. But I had to stay overnight in the
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: jail while Sam was able to like bail himself out.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: But pretty much.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: We did a lot of like, you know, we did
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of trespassing or whatever.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: But trespassing is not, is usually like a fine, like,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: you know, 75 bucks or something like that, depending on
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the state. But sadly, this particular location was under construction.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And apparently construction properties are government properties in Florida. And
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: so they charged us with a felony.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: A felony. Oh, boy. And it was really strange because
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: when we got arrested, there was like eight cops that
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: showed up to the scene with dogs and everything. That's
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: why we got out of the place, by the way. And...
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: They like the deputies were super nice to us. It
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: was the sheriff that was like, oh, these are YouTubers.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: We have to make an example. And I had two
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: fake IDs from when I was 20 trying to get
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: into the bars, like still stuck in my wallet. Super stupid,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: like no reason for that at all. Just a dumb move.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: And so I had three felonies and it made me
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: not able to be able to bail myself out. They
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: cap it at like five, five thousand. And each felony
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: is two thousand bail. And so I had $ 6, 000. So
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I had to wait for Sam to bail himself out
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: so he could bail me out. So I got.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Taken back. Wow. Felonies. So how did it play out?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, I ended up bailing myself out.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: So I think I was only in there for like seven,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: eight hours. And then I went to go work on
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: his bail outside. But you had a horrible time.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: I had a great time in jail. Did you have fun?
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: It was sick.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I wasn't expecting it to be like. a good experience,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: but yeah, it's funny. Cause like we arrive and oh
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: my gosh, all like our viewers and stuff make fun
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: of us for this. But that day, like I decided
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: randomly just to like rock, like a Justin Bieber, like
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: merch shirt. And so I'm like coming in here looking
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: like a teeny bop, like emo kid, like a Justin
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Bieber shirt, like piercings and stuff like that. And like,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: everybody's just like turning their heads and I'm like, oh,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: this is when I die. Like I'm gonna die here.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: But they took out like all my piercings and stuff
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: like that. Said goodbye to Sam. Like we were in
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: like a big waiting room Um, and so when they
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: brought me to the back, the first night was, I
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: only stay there for one night, but like that night
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: was super scary. Um, but for the rest of the time,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: like long story short, like I got moved to another pod,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: like a felon pod, because I had three under my name. Uh,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: and I asked the deputy, he was super nice. And
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: he could like, see that I was like uncomfortable being there,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: of course. And I was just like, what should I do?
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: And he said, dude, honestly, I would just go grab
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: a book, go to your cell and just like lay low.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Sam's going to bail you out very soon. I said, okay,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: that sounds like a plan. So I didn't talk to anybody.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I was trying to like mean mug and like be
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: like serious the entire time. Grabbed a book, went to
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: like my cell and just stayed in there. And then
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: like 20 minutes later, I'm like reading my book. I
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: hear the door start to jiggle. And I'm like, okay,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: this is when I die. I'm about to meet my
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: like cellmate. He comes in like super scary looking guy.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: I'm like freaked out at first, but he just turned
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: out to be the nicest guy ever. Like he was like,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: what are you in for? He's like, this is what
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I'm doing. And, like, he asked about YouTube and told him, like, why, like,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: we do what we do and all that stuff.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: He's like, I'm in for murder.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I killed my wife.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: What was he in for? He said it was, like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: it was something with, like, drug smuggling cocaine somewhere. Oh, Jesus.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: It was something like that.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Real crime.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I trespassed.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I trespassed for YouTube.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, that's why I didn't want to, like,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: say anything about it. I was like, these guys are
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: going to think I'm, like, the biggest pussy.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: In the world. Oh, my God. That's probably better, though.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: That way, you know, they don't think you're a threat. Oh,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: For sure. But we had a conversation for literally like
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: an hour and like shot the shit. And he, you know,
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: broke down each other's walls and stuff. And he was
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: becoming like a friend, actually. And then he was like, well,
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go back out to the pod because
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: there's like a main area where everybody can like hang
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: out where there's like basketball and places you can watch
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: TV and stuff like that. And I was like, OK,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I'm probably just going to chill here. And he was like, no, no,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: you should really come with me. Like, I have a
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: lot of friends in here. I've been in here for, like,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: a few months. And so I was like, all right, okay,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: why not? And so this guy, I just took a
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: chance with this situation, but this guy, like, took me
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: under his wing, like, introduced me to, like, all of
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: his friends in jail, and we played, like, basketball and were, like,
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: watching TV. Literally, like, they were all asking about, like,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: YouTube and all that stuff. And then Sam bailed me out, like,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: three hours later.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Did you stay in touch with him at all?
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: No, no. I told him to DM me, um, afterwards,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: but of course, like just couldn't find it. I mean,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I don't even know how long he was cause we
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: were in jail, not like prison.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: So he was still awaiting his trial cause he couldn't
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: even like bail himself out. So who knows if he
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: even got, even more time. Like, I don't even know.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: It sounds like it if he's selling cocaine.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or like carrying large amounts. I don't even know.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: But yeah, haven't heard from him.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Absolutely crazy though is that morning, like we had no idea.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: We're like, all right, this is just a casual day.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: We always do these like abandoned videos and then we'll
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: just work on editing them or whatever. Anyway, I walk out.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I don't have my phone because they take all that stuff.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: And our buddy who is going to help us drive
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: us home or whatever, he comes in. He's like, do
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you know what's going on? We're like, no. He's like,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: For the past, like, 12 hours, you guys have been
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: number one worldwide trending. Free Sam and Colby.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Huge.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: You guys are everywhere.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Huge. Yeah, I'm walking out. Sorry to interrupt, but, like,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: the deputy's bringing me out and being like, Sam finally
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: bailed you out. He was like, but what's your name,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: by the way? And I was like, uh, Cole Brock.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: And he was just like, I've had thousands of girls
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: call this jail to try to bail you out. I
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: was like, wait, what? And then as I'm leaving, there's
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: fans outside. It's like a meet and greet, like, outside. Like,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: fans waiting for me.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: How many fans?
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: What? It was like three or four. So it wasn't
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: like a huge thing, but like it was people that
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: figured out like where the jail was itself and all that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: A lot of people were calling, but it was so
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: interesting because we never would have thought that that was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: going to be the big start. But from that night
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and getting arrested, it completely blew up and changed our career.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It was so weird.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: And in terms of numbers, just so you know, like
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: we were getting on the abandoned videos, like a little
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: less than a million. So like 700, 800 K. which
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: we were very happy with. But after we got arrested,
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: we knew we couldn't do like the illegal stuff anymore.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: And so while during the abandoned days, and we can
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: get to the story in a second, but like we
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: went to the Queen Mary and had our first haunted
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: experience ever. And so it just made sense to us
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: that like, well, this is a legal thing we could
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: just do at hotels and stuff. Why not just do
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: like the haunted instead?
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: How much did the numbers change?
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Up to like... Like two million. Three to four million
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: like the first one, and then they just kept growing
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: from there. So millions after.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: So tell me about the Queen Mary. That's the beginning
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: for you guys.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: That's the number one origin.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: And you went there to do what?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: So what was really interesting is we did a lot
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: of the abandoned stuff, but every once in a while
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: we would do like a haunted thing because those creepy
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: stories and, you know, the lore of everything is really interesting,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: whether or not you believe it or not. At that time,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: we didn't really believe in any of the ghost stuff.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: We're like, all right, this is gonna be a great
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: video because everyone loves telling the stories. But we just got,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but someone forwarded us
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: something saying that for the first time in 30 years,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the Queen Mary in Long Beach, which is like one
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: of those haunted ships, like New York Times. like top
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: 10 most haunted places in the world.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: We filmed Fear Factor there once. Really?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's great. It's a beautiful ship.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: They do a comedy show there sometimes. No way. Yeah,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: for a while they had a regular comedy night there
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: on the Queen Mary.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realize how famous it was, but they
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: have that. They have haunted houses. They have a ton
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: of different attractions there. But there's this one room, B340,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that hadn't been open for 30 years, and allegedly they
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: closed it down because Uh, there's multiple unexplained murders and
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: or suicides in that room. Uh, and we're like, whoa, like,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you know, if this is the first week, this is
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: open after 30 years, this is going to be an
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: amazing story to tell or, you know, video film. And
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: so we went in there. Trying to make something or
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: like trying to get something when we obviously didn't really
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: believe in that much. So we were like, all right,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: let's just see if it happens. If there's going to
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: be a haunted location, it will be this. Uh, we,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: we toured around, did the whole thing. weren't getting much.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And we were kind of frustrated at that point because
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: we're like, all right, this is supposed to be the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: cream of the crop. This is supposed to be the
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: big wig. Like, why can't we get something to happen?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: And so it was 4 o'clock in the morning at
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: this time. We've been trying for hours of just sitting
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: in circles, like, asking out.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: And we didn't have any equipment at this time. This is, like,
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: the first place we ever went to. So we were just, like, meandering, like,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: the hallways being like, is anything here?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, just trying to get something to happen on camera.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And nothing was happening. and so we're like fine I
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: guess let's do this let's just like leave like it's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: fun to tell the story let's just leave and so
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: we turn off the camera start packing up we walk
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: like start walking towards the door and as soon as
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: we turn like actually we're about to like get out
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: of the room the faucet turns on like full blast
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: for four seconds and then turns back off And we
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: all actually freeze and freak out. Two of our roommates
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that were there at the time just immediately started crying.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: We ran in. We were like, okay, how is that
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: actually possible at all? Maybe that's a sign of it
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to be filmed and it doesn't want us
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: to leave. So maybe let's just not film this and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: try one more time just for the heck of it.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: And so that's what we did. But this time it worked.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: And to the weirdest extent, we just put away all
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: of our cameras, We sat in the most serious tone saying, like, okay, guys, like,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: before this, didn't really believe. So, like, if this is happening,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: let's have something happen. And so we all sit in
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the dark together and we start calling out questions. And
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: we're like, okay, like, is there anybody here? And we
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: hear a knock. And so we're like, okay, maybe that's something.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Very faint, though. It was like a tap.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Like a tap.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: And so we're like, okay, let's just run with that.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Can you tap more than once? And there was, like,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: three taps. We're like, okay, this is really weird. Like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: can we start asking questions?
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: How loud are you saying this? Is it possible that
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: someone could have heard you from another room? That's what
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: we thought. We were talking probably like this, but then.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: There was times where we talked really quiet. We tested everything.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: What we did is we decided let's ask questions using
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: these taps. We said tap once for yes, tap anything
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: more than once for no. We had a yes or
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: no conversation for 35 minutes with something that we cannot explain.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: And we did everything because we were skeptical at this point.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Did you film any of this?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: We didn't think so. But apparently one of our friends,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: he's like super religious, was like, hey, no matter what,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the entire night he was keeping an audio recording in
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: his pocket.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: We had no idea.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: We had no idea that he was doing that.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: So nobody talked about it. So if there was something there,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: it didn't know either.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had no idea he had pulled that out.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Like we genuinely were like, okay, no one's filming. We
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: even say in this audio recording, like no one's filming.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: There's no bullshit. Like everyone, please, like. Be serious about this.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And so we had this conversation back and forth and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: we tried to trick it. You know, like we would
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: ask questions in different manners. Like, okay, is there more
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: than one of you?
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And then we'd say, are you alone? And it would
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: say no. Back and forth trying to get this thing.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And the story kept straight the entire time. And we
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: were like, okay, come on. There could be someone like
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: screwing with us. This is like on, you know, the
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: news of being like haunted place. Like what's going on?
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Well, what was crazy about it too is all the knocks,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: they weren't just coming from one section. That would make
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: sense if, like, maybe something outside was, like, tapping. These
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: knocks would be, like, below us and then above us
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: to our sides. Some would be louder than other ones.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: We went out to the hallway a couple times and
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: we realized that we were, like, the last room besides, like, this, like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: utility room to our left. And obviously we had, like,
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: basically that whole, like, floor to ourselves as well since
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: it was super late.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then, like, sometime in the middle we were, like, Like, okay, like, let's, like,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: ask a question under our breath.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Like, okay.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Like, this thing does not want us to leave. And
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: at that moment, the entire floor shook.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Boom.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Like, we were all like, oh, my God, what was that?
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: You could feel the vibration in your feet.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Crashing on the ship or something.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: It was huge.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: And so we're like, okay, so this thing doesn't want
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: us to leave. Maybe we should just, like, ask questions
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: under our breath for the rest of the time. Just
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: so we know it's not some employee. It's not someone, like,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: screwing with us the entire time. So fast forward. Fast
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: forward to the very end, we were like, okay, we've
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: had a bunch of conversations. At this point, we really
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: believe if this is truly something, I want to know
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: something about something deeper than just yes or no questions
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: or just like something silly of like how many people
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: are here. So I decided, let's ask about religion. And
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I ask out, is there a heaven? And it knocks
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: three times, meaning no. And at that point, our two
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: religious friends that were there, like, immediately jumped up and said,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: we have to leave right now.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: We had no idea why.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Why? What's going on? Like, I'll tell you in the car, like,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: just don't look back.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Let's go.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Let's leave.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And so we walked out.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: We left.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: We got all the way to the car without anyone
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: saying anything. And as soon as we got in the car,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: we're like, what's going on? Like, why do we have
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: to leave? He's like, well, in the Christian religion, anything, like,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: demonic or evil is supposed to, like, basically disprove that
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: there is a heaven in order you know and so
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: what they're saying is like we don't think this is
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: some like spirit or something paranormal there we think it
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: was something that was trying to lead you away from heaven.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Or demonic territory type thing but that also just depends
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: on what you believe in obviously like our roommates were
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: very very christian very religious and so when they heard
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: the knox saying no uh they thought it was just
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: kind of like a sign from like a demon to
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: like steer us away from, from God saying like, this
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: does not exist. And so, um, they, without question ran
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: before we could even like, we kind of were wanting
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: to stay there to, to ask more things.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: It was really interesting because this is your first experience
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: versus anything paranormal.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Well, first, very believable one. There has been plenty of
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: times where we hear things or like, you know, things
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: are scary.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: In like the abandoned places, but they're also decrepit old
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: places that creak and stuff.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, old dark places make you freak out. Exactly.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: This is the first conversation, we should say, that we've had.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: So up until that point, did you believe in ghosts before?
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: And what is the feeling like when you have to
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: sort of process the end of that day?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: So that was a monumental change in not only our career,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: but also at least my thought process in life because- Yes,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I had the idea that maybe something else is out there.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I had grown up a Christian. But at that time,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: we had gone to so many scary places. We tackled
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: a bunch of life questions, philosophical questions throughout our time together.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: And we were like, okay. After asking about it, for me,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I was losing faith in something else. I was like, okay,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: maybe we're just the only things out here. And after
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: that moment, I had like a full on like breakdown
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: the next day. Like I was like everything that I
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: had thought was not real now becomes real. And I
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: had like pretty much lost any sort of like faith
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: at that point. But there is even a video of
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: me online, like sitting on my bedroom floor, like crying
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: to camera saying, I truly didn't believe. And now this
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: instance opens up this whole world. Like maybe I don't
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: immediately believe 100%. But the question of if there's something
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: else out there is now back in my brain. And
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I want to chase that. And so after the whole
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: arrest and going to the Honda stuff, that was like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily, we were like a thousand percent believers.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: The second we like had this experience, but it was
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: so intriguing because it was one of those things that
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: we couldn't explain. We told this story so many times
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and the audio of this actually happening, the Knox is online.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: So many people don't believe it because they weren't there
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and we wouldn't believe it if we weren't there. And
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: so we, we understand that people don't believe us when
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: we talk about these things. However, just the idea that
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: it could be real and the idea that it could
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: happen again is what's so intriguing. And it was why
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: we got into it. And we're like, okay, if we
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: can just keep doing this and keep getting more and
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: more proof like that feeling of hope of like, okay,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: there is something else out there. And it is not just, okay,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: we're just going to live and die here on the planet.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: It's so special.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: No matter what you believe in, no matter what religion
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: you have. It's like, we realized that that experience for us,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: it taught us that there is something else. It's, it's
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: more spiritual than anything. Um, and we're, wanted to spread
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: that message as well to as many people as possible
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: um again no matter what they believed.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: In but your roommates thought it was demonic.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: They were they took like the christian route and that's
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: again that's up to whoever is viewing this or experiencing
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: it themselves but yeah they they took it very.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Well how did you feel did you feel like it
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: was a demon or did you feel like it was
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: a ghost or dead people what do you think it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Was I don't know. At the time I definitely thought
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: it was like a demon because these two guys are
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: like yelling at me. Dude, this is 100% without a
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt, like a demon. And I'm like, well,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what I believe in. Like, this
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: is already like rattling my brain right now. Um, but
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: it was scary. And what was, what was scarier, um,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: is trying to go back into it and repeating the process.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Cause like, we didn't know what we were messing with.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: If it was a demon, like hell, maybe if it
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: is all real, are we, just screwing ourselves over by
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: going in all these places.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Right, are you inviting that thing into your life? How
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: many times did you guys go to the Queen Mary?
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Three, four times?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, three or four times.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: So you went back after that?
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: We did.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Did you leave the roommates at home?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: At that point, yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: We did, we did.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Our final stint, which was actually last year, we hadn't
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: gone back in three years, but we wanted to, like,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the Queen Mary actually shut down, which was sad.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, really? When was that?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Last year. They lost, like, funding and whatever. Oh.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: They might be opening up now.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: They're trying to.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Like raise money and like get it back up. So
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: we thought this was the last time we'd ever see
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the ship. So we're like, let's go say goodbye to
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: the thing that literally started this whole adventure for us.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: And so Colvin and I went back alone.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Same room?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: B340.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Same room, alone.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Do they rent that room out to anybody?
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: They do now. They do now.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: But for 30 years they didn't.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: For 30 years.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: We were like the first people to get to it.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: That's so crazy.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: But again, that's all alleged as well. Like who knows
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: if it's like a marketing ploy. And again, we were
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: so skeptical that Sam and I, when those knocks first
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: started to happen, we were looking under things. We were like,
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: this room has to be bugged.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: See if you can find anything about that room. Find
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: anything about the queen. Mary room 340?
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's B340. B340.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: So they told you that there was multiple murders that
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: took place in that room?
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Imagine that you guys were just like an hour away
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: from killing your roommates.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like if we kept going at it. One more
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: house kept asking questions.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: He just turns on us.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Bam. Goodbye. It just starts talking to you.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: That's what the room looks like.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: This is the room? Yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, it gives me chills.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: What does it say on the wall? So you can scripture?
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Well, they have literally experiences of each, like, different family.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a ton of.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. So it's, like, openly haunted.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so anytime someone has, like, a crazy experience that
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: they deem notable, they'll write.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: It on the wall. Oh, there's our thumbnail right there.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: It's the Bloody Mary wall.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have instructions to do Bloody Mary. It's
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: definitely cheesy a little bit. Like, they have the Bloody Mary.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: like bloody mary what what does.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: That mean so bloody mary is like this challenge that
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of people used to do like as like
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: children or whatever you like go in front of a
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: mirror turn the light off have one candle spin around
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: three times while saying bloody mary bloody mary bloody mary
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: so it's candy man exactly yeah yeah so it's the
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: evolution of candy man and so that's like gimmicky obviously
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of stories all over the.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: That's the one that turned on yeah And so this room,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: is there any documentation that people actually died in that room?
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, I'm curious because like
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: when we went there, again, like we were very different
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: than where we're at now. Like we didn't do like
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: super extensive research. What we did is we like would,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: you know, we'd take the article that it says it is,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: but obviously we're not going back and fact checking that.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: And then we'd go and talk to the employees. And
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: so most of our stories were all like firsthand encounters
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: with the employees that were there or things that they
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: would tell us rather than.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: And the employees seem to believe it.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Every employee we've met pretty much at all these haunted
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: places are true believers. Those are the ones that said
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: they could see stuff following us. People that work there
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: are super into the paranormal and stuff.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: That's what's fucked, right? Because there's only a handful of
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: those people that are there day in, day out.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: And you can dismiss that. Or it might be real. Right, right.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's just the thing that gnaws at me,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: it's like it's so easy to dismiss ghosts. Oh, ghosts
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: are bullshit. But the problem is there are so many
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: people that say they've seen it over so many years,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: literally hundreds and hundreds of years. It makes you wonder
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: because if there are multiple dimensions and if life is
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: If you are a physical body that's carrying around a soul,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: like where does that thing go?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, energy doesn't die. Where does it all go?
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: And what happens if something horrible takes place? Like there's
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: some crazy traumatic moment, gunshots and stab wounds. Like where
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: does that soul go? Is it possible that things get
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: trapped in between worlds? And that these people that work
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: in these places are you guys.
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: Or us.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Experience.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And who's to say, like, you know, we know, like,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: you know, whether or not maybe a lot of people
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: believe the soul passes on. But what if that's just
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: not true and all souls stay here?
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Like, it's so interesting.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: We'd be God if we knew, you know.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: It's just, it's a lot of guesswork. But the thing
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: about the ghost stuff is there's so many people with experiences.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: My grandmother was, she would always say she was psychic,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: but she never was. guessed anything correctly but she always
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: like but there was a guy that was staying with
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: them for a while after my parents uh my mom
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: and my uncles moved out of the house they took
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: in um like a board a bordering like a guy
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: that my father knew and you know he paid them
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: to stay in one of the rooms and uh he
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: was up in the attic and uh they had like
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: the attic set up as an apartment and he died
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: and uh My grandmother used to go up there and
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: she said sometimes he would talk to her. Like she'd
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: have these experiences where she's like, I know he's still
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: up there. Like he was talking to me. And my
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: grandfather got kind of fucking weirded out by it. But
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: it was like she... She told us, don't go up
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: in that attic.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Did she ever tell you, like, what he would talk about? Like,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: full-on conversations or not?
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It was hard. I was very young
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: at the time, so I don't think she wanted to
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: freak me out.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: True.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: I was, like, five years old, so I think she
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: wanted to keep it on the DL.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: But it was, my grandmother was crazy. She had a monkey.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: She had a monkey named Chi-Chi that would bite people. What?
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: Whoa. What?
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my grandmother was nuts. Yeah, she was a wild lady.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: She went to jail for bookmaking. Bookmaking? Yeah, she was
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: running numbers for the mob. And she wouldn't give up
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: the mob until they put her in jail for six months.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: So it would always be like, where's grandma? And they're like, oh,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: grandma's staying with Aunt Lulu.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Just not talk about it for a while.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: She was in fucking jail. She was in jail for
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: numbers running. Yeah, because they had like, that was like
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: the neighborhood lottery was the numbers. And that's how, do
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: you know what the numbers were? I don't know either. Um,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: see if we can find like a definition of the numbers,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: like how the mob used to run the numbers, but
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: like basically they would have a number every day, you know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: like 34, 29, 16, whatever it was. Like, I don't
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: know how many digits it was. And, uh, people would
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: guess whatever the number was and you'd pay into that,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: whatever it was. So you'd pay in, I don't know
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: how much money it costs to, for each individual thing,
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: but it was very similar to the lottery.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Like the lottery numbers, they, pick the lottery numbers, you
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: guess them, and you could buy as many lottery tickets
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: as you want. It's similar to that, but it was
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: all illegal, and it wasn't being taxed, and you could
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: get in real trouble if you were involved in it.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: And so my grandmother was involved in it, so they
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: arrested her. But what they really wanted is her to
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: rat out the mob. And she's like, I'm not ratting
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: out nobody.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: That's kind of awesome.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: She went to jail for six months.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: She also talked to ghosts. So there we go.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Same category.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: No, it's interesting. Like, you know, a lot of people
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: dismiss that idea, but I think it's like 50% of
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: the United States or something like that, like believes in,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: believes in ghosts or believes in the afterlife or something
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 4: It was like everybody you talk to, like we'll have
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: something where maybe it's not paranormal, but they'll have like
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: a situation that they can't explain. They don't know how, like,
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: the drape fell off like in the beginning you know it's.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Weird enough that we're here that's weird enough right the
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: idea that like there's ghosts somehow that's weirder like just
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: human life is fucking bizarre just the fact that we
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: can look at each other and communicate and you use
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: sounds to express feelings.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: And move without thinking about it there's a lot.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Of weirdness to life that we just take for granted
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: because it's commonplace but the ghost thing You know, so
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: you guys, you have this one experience and now are
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: you automatically a believer? Do you go through periods where
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: you're like, well, maybe someone was messing with us. Maybe
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: it's not real. Yeah.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: So that was probably a full year before we went
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: full into haunted. So like throughout that, you know.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: You have phases of your career. We're full into Haunted.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Full into Haunted.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Full into musicals.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: All the good stuff, for sure.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: That was the first phase.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: We started doing Broadway. Then we did Haunted for a while.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, after the rest, we were like, all right,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: let's dive back into this. And it was so interesting.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: At that point, again, we're no experts on this. We're
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: honestly trying to do this to prove to ourselves because
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: of the crazy experience we had a long time ago.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: So we had at least for the first year of
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: us doing like a haunted exclusively on our channel, uh,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: we had like no equipment. Most of the time we'd
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: go in like documentary style and just like interview people,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: walk around like these hotels or buildings and be like,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: why is it haunted? And then try to test that
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: same theory. A lot of the times we would get stuff.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we wouldn't. Um, but it's all been like a
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: learning process, especially like as, as we go, there are
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: some points that like, we'll go a stint with like,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: couple months of, I don't know, we haven't had anything
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: actually blow our minds in a while, and then, boom,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: something else happens. It just brings us right back into it.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: We're also just coming up with more theories in our
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: head of what we actually do believe with the paranormal.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: For example, right now, we 100% believe in energies and
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: stuff like that, and there's no question that you can
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: walk into some places and it's just a different vibe.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: It feels heavier. But do we believe in the Casper,
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: the ghost, sort of like figure ghosts? Like not really
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: cut maybe we've seen like shadow figures before but have
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: I ever levitated No, have I ever seen something like
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: straight in front of my face where I like undeniable
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: proof that that's a ghost in front of me No,
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: it's like been like just out of corner of the
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: eyes and stuff.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: You know, there's some scientists that believe that things carry
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: memory There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake and he has
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: this theory of morphic resonance and what part of his
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: theory is is that he thinks objects themselves contain some
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: sort of memory. Whether or not you can access that memory,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: but that objects contain memory. And he cites that as
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons why people can feel things. Like
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: if you were going to a house where someone's been
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: murdered in the house, there's a reason why they have
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: to tell you. Like, they can't just sell you the house.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: They have to sell, well, by the way, you know, like,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: if someone gets murdered in a house, I think, I
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: don't know, like, for how long after the, and it
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: probably varies by state to state. But I remember in California, like,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: you would have to tell people someone got murdered in
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: the house.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Like, to this day, they can't sell that fucking John
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Bonnet house, John Bonnet Remembrance.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what that is.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: She got murdered in Boulder, Colorado. She was a beauty
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: pageant queen who was a tiny little girl. It was
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: really creepy. You ever do those child beauty pageants?
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, she was murdered when she was very young.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know how old she was, like eight, nine,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: something like that. And it was a national scandal because
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: they couldn't figure out who murdered her or what happened.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: And some people thought that it was the parents and
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: the Boulder Police Department botched the investigation because they weren't really.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Boulder is a pretty peaceful place. They're not used to murders,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: especially not murders of children. And also, like, it exposed
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: people to how weird these child beauty pageants are where
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: you're taking a little girl and you're putting, you know,
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: high-heeled shoes on her and short skirts and sexy makeup. Like,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: what the fuck are you doing? Right. And so it
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: became this thing. So we lived in Boulder for a while,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: and we were looking at real estate in Boulder, and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: there was this one house. Like, this is a pretty
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: nice house. Like, why is this house so cheap? It
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: was weird. It seemed like it should have been more expensive.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: And then I Googled it. Uh-oh. And I found out, oh,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: that's the house where JonBenet Ramsey had been killed.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, man. Yeah.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it ever sold. But the entire
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: time we were there, it was for sale. It was
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: for sale before then for years. I think they might
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: have even changed the name of the street to try
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: to sell the house. Some weird shit like that.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I've definitely heard of that happening before. They're like, oh,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: no one's buying this because of that.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Well, it's a thing. No one wants to buy a
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: house where a little girl was murdered.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, for sure. And might have been.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Murdered by her parents. That was the real scary.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: Part about it.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: That was the accusations that the mother did it. They
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: brought in these handwriting experts, and the handwriting experts compared
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: the ransom note with the mother's handwriting and they were
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: trying to say that the mother wrote the ransom note.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: I'm like, who fucking knows? But it's gross enough that
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: no one wanted to have anything to do with the house.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it makes sense.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: There's this one time, one of the creepiest places we've
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: ever been is kind of a story like that. Have
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: you ever heard of the Villisca axe murders?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: So in Villisca, Iowa, there was this serial killer that
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: came in, apparently, and small little town, a couple thousand
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: people or whatever, Little house. And somehow this guy was
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: able to come into the house, kill two parents and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: six kids all in one house with an axe.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: Tiny house.
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  Speaker 1: Without getting caught at all. And to this day, it's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: an unsolved murder.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, Jesus Christ.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: And it's just so, so bizarre. And that was one
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: of the places that like. Yeah.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: Super.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Look at the fucking sign in front
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: of it. Jesus Christ. They got a Villisca Axe Murder House,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: and it's dripping blood. If you were a neighbor, you'd
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: be like, hey, bro, maybe take that fucking sign down. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: A little insensitive for sure.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. So that was in 1912. Yeah. That's when
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: that all happened.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: So over 100 years. But that was like one of
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: those things that we'd researched, and that was like interesting.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: But as soon as we stepped foot in that house,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: it was a whole– Different vibe. It was one of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: those things that, like, it was one of the few
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: times we actually had to leave. So halfway, like, after
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: doing a little tour with the whole, like, with the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: tour guide, he was telling us all these stories. And just, like,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: being in there was weird. Like, our buddy was, like,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: feeling like he was going to throw up. And it
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: was just, like, really odd. Like, that doesn't happen every time.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: But when it does, it's kind of like, and it
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: might be because of how fucked up it was. There
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: was a lot of things that went down in this murder.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Well, that's also how you know about it, right? It
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: would have been interesting if someone brought you into the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: house without telling you anything. Like, how do you feel
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: in this place? And then see how you feel then.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: Is it like a placebo effect maybe? Because you know
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: the story, you're walking in there.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a crazy placebo, right? Just to know that,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: that a whole family was murdered with a fucking axe.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: Right, right. And the most gruesome part about it is
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: the killer used the blunt side of the axe. So
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: you can still... because we went there to investigate, you
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: can still see like the ax markings in the ceiling
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: when he was going back to go down. And again,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: it's so weird because there was like, on the top
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: floor there was like the parents' room, but then right
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: like five steps down a wooden creaky hallway was the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: children's room where there was four of them, and then
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: there was two more of like their daughter's friends that
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: they were hanging out with that were downstairs that got
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: murdered as well.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: So how is it possible that he was able to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: get to all of them with the blunt side?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: And just, and like broke, like, did he break in
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: or was he hiding like in the attic? Like, we
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Really creepy.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: I think, so that was the one that got you
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: the most?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: For, yeah, like that, that like true crime world is
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: like really, really messed up. Cause like, again, like the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: stories you hear too, and the allegations of these people
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: is like, Oh God. Cause for that particular ex murder,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the little girls downstairs, apparently were the last ones getting killed.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: And because of that, Um, the killer was apparently reported
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: that he like would, and this is like really disturbing,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: like would, uh, like unclothe the little girls and he
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: sat there and he pleasured himself, um, in front of these.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: Like dead people. With like a big, like slab of bacon.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: It was like, like those types of gruesome stories.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: With a big slab of bacon too?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: A big slab of bacon. He, he like sexually pleasured
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: himself to these like dead bodies. Yeah. Of like girls
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: under like 10 too. I think, or 15, something like that.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: And it never happened again? And then they never found
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: the guy? Do they have suspects?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: So they do have suspects. And what's really interesting is
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: the two main suspects that a lot of people talk
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: about were not the ones that we ended up talking
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: about in our video. Just because right before doing research
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: on this location, we saw this author that just came
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: out with a book about a serial killer. And she
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: thinks she solved the Villisca Axe murders because that same exact...
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: style of murder was actually this, um, the serial killer
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: that went from Midwest town to Midwest town on a train.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: And it's called the man from the train and same,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the same exact thing. So like things like covering the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: mirrors after like the death and like the back of
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: an ax, the fact that he was left-handed, which.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: He would eat meals like afterwards, like he'd like make
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: himself a meal and sit with all the dead bodies
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: and eat. Yeah. Cover up every like window because he
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: was like ashamed that if he saw his reflection or
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: something like that, And every single spot that this traveling
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: serial killer went to would cover the windows and do
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: weird things like that.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Ritual things. So how many different times did this guy
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: supposedly do this?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I think he did a lot. Like this specific serial killer, yeah,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: did like dozens of times. But the two main suspects. Yeah,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: with axes, which is weird. And then they explained to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: us why. And this is a little gruesome too, but
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: if you do the sharp side of an axe, it'll
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: get stuck in your skull.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: True.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: But if you destroy the skull with the backside, the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: blunt side, then you can pick up the ax faster.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: And it was like, oh, God.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: And we thought, we were like, maybe he drugged the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: family beforehand or chloroformed them or something. And there was
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: no sign of any drugs used.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: That's so weird.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: According to the book, The Man on the Train, they
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: describe him for being responsible for up to, let's see,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: feeling certain that Mueller committed adultery 14 family murders totaling
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: 59 victims, less certain varying degrees of his involvement, and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: another 25 family murders totaling an additional 94 victims.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: Wow. Oh, my God.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: And there's even one in Germany they think might have
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: been attached to him.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Do they have a photo of this guy?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: I don't think so. I don't think so.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: So what was his name?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: Mueller.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: Paul Mueller.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: And why did they think it was him specifically? Did
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: he get arrested?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: I'm just looking at the Wikipedia that breaks down the book.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: He just, like, the style of the murders were so similar.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: And the two other main suspects that they had hadn't
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: murdered anybody previously. And so this guy just coming in
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: train by train to all these different cities.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the other suspects were just, like, not as intense,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: I guess you could say, where it was, like, there was, like,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: this one guy named, like, Jones, I believe, who was
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: just a businessman that maybe had, like, some rivalry in
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: business with the family but wouldn't you know, result to
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: like murder for that. And then there was also just
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: like a creepy reverend who was like a peeping Tom
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: sort of character that was just like the town creep
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: that everybody thought it was.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: Here's the main thing on why I guess they think
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: that what they think. I don't know if you can
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: read that.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. According to the Jamis's, uh, a number of murders
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: in the period were assumed by local police to be
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: one-off incidents of were actually committed by a single person,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: probably Mueller, based on certain similarities among the crimes. The
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: similarities include the same being within a few hundred feet
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: of railroad junction. Okay, so that's the book's title, it says,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: the slaughter of entire families in small towns with little
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: or no police force. And the family's having a barn,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: which the killer is believed to have hidden to observe
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: the families. Oh, Jesus.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: Which Villisca had.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. That's so fucking messed up. Imagine this
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: guy waiting in the barn, watching the family go to sleep.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: For how many days before he did it?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: And they were all at church service before it all
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: happened as well, which is horrible. Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: Add insult to injury. So that one particular, you felt
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: something when you were in that place?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, you just walk in and it just feels,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: it's hard to explain, but you can feel the negativity
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: in the air where it's almost like, as crazy as
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: it sounds, like the air feels thicker in a way.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: My stepfather, who's like a very sober thinking, rational person,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: went to Gettysburg. And he said, you can feel the sadness.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: He goes, it just feels horrible. Like you're there and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: you just, you feel death. He goes, I've never felt
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: anything like that. Like you're at a battleground. And, you know,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: even though it's 200 years ago or whatever it was,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: less than 200 years ago, you feel it. He goes,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: you can feel it. He goes, I had to get
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: out of there. Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: That's the thing with some of these places. It's not
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: necessarily like, oh, like. you know, immediately just like, oh yeah,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: this is spiritual energy or whatever like that.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: But it's just heavy.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Or it's just like you feel off when you go
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: into these places. Like as soon as you stepped into
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: the Conjuring house, have you ever seen the Conjuring movies?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: So they're actually based on a real house in Rhode Island.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: And that was one of those places that we had
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: walked into. And you were like almost getting nauseous.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: I almost threw up. And I'm not. So what's interesting
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: about the paranormal and what we've learned the past four
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: years is that it affects people differently. Some people can
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: see stuff. Some people claim they're mediums and can communicate more.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: I feel like I have more of, like, an empathic, like, almost, like,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: I just feel worse, like, whenever there's something around. And
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: so when we first walked into the Conjuring house, like,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: there was a point where I thought I was going
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: to throw up, and I was looking for exits.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: What's the real story behind the Conjuring house? What's the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: actual story?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, the movie story is, like, this witch, Bathsheba,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But the actual story... There's a bunch of
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: different things that they say are haunted, but it's actually
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: built on the grounds of the.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Is that the house?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's creepy.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing house.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: The state that launched the Conjuring universe.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. What is it? Like the Marvel Comics universe? What
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: does that mean? The Conjuring universe?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: How weird.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, jeez. That's the problem. When you start making an
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: industry out of something... It turns into a business. Yeah,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: so what's the original story?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: So the most... The most famous we'll get to, but
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: it's built on the same grounds that the King Philip's
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: War was fought on, like right at the beginning of
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: the United States and everything. So the main people that
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: haunt it are seven dead soldiers that this little girl
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: always kept seeing in the walls, and thus it started
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: manifesting more to the entire family. So this family called
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the Perron family bought the place in like 1972, and
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: for 10 years they said they would see– you know,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: these figures, these, these soldiers walking around, like their beds
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: would shake, they would get scratches, like, and it kept
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: getting worse over the 10 years. Um, and the crazy
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: part is it got to become famous because of like
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: the final day that like changed it all. Um, they
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: wanted to do like an exorcism on the house, uh,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: because I think, who was the mom Perrin?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Uh, whatever.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: Caroline or something.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Caroline Perrin.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Caroline Perrin was getting like really bad like she would
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: have things happen to her every single day you know
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: furniture would move all these sort of things she was
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: she was getting like really rash with everything. So she
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: brought in these demonologists to her.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: Ed and Lorraine Warren.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Ed and Lorraine Warren.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: If you've heard of them before.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: They're like the demonologists, the paranormal investigators. They are like
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: the fathers of it all.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe I have heard of them. Are they featured in
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: the Zach Bagan Museum?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's where I've heard of them.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is also a crazy place. We'll talk about that.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so anyway.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: I just went.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: You just went?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: I just went a couple weeks ago. Oh, no way. Yeah,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: my daughter dragged me to that too. Hey, there we go.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Vegas. Yeah, so they were doing this, like, exorcism.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: That's them, yeah. Yeah, that's those folks. So they do
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: an exorcism there.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: They were doing an exorcism, and I don't know exactly
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: prior to whatever happened and why they called it. She
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: was just having a bad time just, like, you know,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: over the last couple years, and they wanted it to end.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: And to her claim, she was actually thrown, like, across
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the entire, like, room and smashed into a wall to
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: where she had injuries. And they were so angry about
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: that that they actually kicked out the demonologist.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: They punched Ed in the face.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they punched that guy in the face because they
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: thought he was the guy that was, like, making it worse.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: But I think it just, like, pissed him off. And
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: so that thing. When you say they punched him in
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: the face, you mean the ghost punched.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: Him in the face? Oh, no, no, no.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: The Perrin family.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: The dad did. Oh, okay.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: The Perrin family was, like.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: They're getting assaulted?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: The Perrin family, yeah, was.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: Like, really upset. They punched him in the face because
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: he thought that he threw the wife across the room?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: Or he was responsible for it?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: He thought they made it or he was there and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: like the exorcism that he was conducting made it more angry,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: which in turn hurt his wife.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, so he got angry.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: He was like, stop doing this.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: You brought him in.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's like hiring a priest and then punching a priest.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: Right, right. Move.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: What the fuck is wrong with you?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: Move down the street.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: Punching people.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: So the Perron family actually wrote a book about that.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: And they say the Conjuring movies actually don't do it
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: justice of all the things that happened and all the-
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: the movements and the craziness that happened in that 10
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: years that they lived there. They were like, in the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: real life, actually experiencing it and the trauma that they
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: went through, they say it's like 10 times worse.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: And so they feel like it was dead soldiers, like
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: murdered soldiers on the battlefield? I don't know.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: Well, here's where it gets interesting is they don't know
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: what it is, but they believe it is something more
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: evil or demonic, whatever you believe in, that is like
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: controlling things. all of these like soldiers and stuff and
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: trapping them. Movie goes with that's a person named Bathsheba
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: who was like a neighbor who everybody just thought was
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: a witch. But in real life, it was just known
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: as a demonic possession, but no trace back of like
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: what it was.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: That's, that's an interesting thing, right? Like, cause that's in
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of these cases, they feel like it's not
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: just ghosts, but it's ghosts that are being controlled by
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: some sort of a demonic entity.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: And the demonic entity keeps these ghosts there, which is like,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: another layer of belief you have to have.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: Don't just believe that maybe when people die, their energy
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: gets left behind, and then maybe that energy gets controlled
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: by demons. Exactly. Oh, my God.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: It's like another level.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: We're so into crazy now.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm willing to go there. It
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: gets meta. It gets very meta.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: But if you did encounter a demon, nobody would fucking
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: believe you.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: You would be trapped. You would be this person trapped.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Who for the rest of your life, there goes Bob
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: and his fucking demon stories.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: Like no one would buy it.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Same thing with aliens or anything. Anything you see that
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: are outside of this like logical.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: Physical world.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Physical world.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Normal daily encounters.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: Anything outside of that. Bigfoot. Anything. Anything where you see things.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: And there's been many times that people have seen things
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: that they swear were real. And you go, God, that
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: poor fuck. I would rather not see those things and
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: then just have everybody just looking at you. Oh, here
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: comes Mike when he's whacking.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: You know, because like if you did like there's a gentleman.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: Where's this little where's the Travis Walton's little thing? We
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: used to have it on the desk here. Oh, it's
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: over there. That guy right there. This guy is Travis Walton.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: And he's got his own bobblehead now. Man's got to
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: make a living.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: He was in. He was in this. this movie called
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: Fire in the Sky. I don't know if you ever
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: heard of it. It's a UFO abduction story, but it's
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: a very famous abduction story because there was a bunch
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: of eyewitnesses and there was witnesses that saw the spacecraft
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: that were in the town. He was a logger in
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Arizona and he had, including people that hated him, who
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: backed up his story. So they saw something, and this
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: area where they were logging, there had been sightings, like
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: multiple sightings of UFOs in the past. And they saw
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: something go through the sky and into the trees, and
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: they pulled the truck over. This guy, Travis Walton, who
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: was a young guy at the time, he was in
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: his early 20s, jumps out of the car, runs over
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: to this thing, And there's a flying saucer, like a
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: classic flying saucer that's hovering over the ground. It was
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: like a flying saucer, right? Is that how he described it,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: I believe? Yeah. Anyway, he runs up, gets too close
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: to this thing. A burst of energy hits him. Like
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: he got too close to it or something, gets knocked down.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: The other guys run. They're terrified now.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: They run.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: They get in the car. They drive off. And then
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: they're screaming and yelling at each other as they're driving off. Like,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: we got to go back and get him. We can't
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: fucking leave him there. So they go back. They go
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: back to the same spot. He's gone. He disappeared for
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: five days. And what's like five days? I hope I'm
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: not fucking this up. So five days later, he shows
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: up in town, calls someone on the cell phone, calls
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: the police, tells them his story. There's recordings of him
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: calling the police and telling the story. No one knows
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: what happened to him. He, five days, no food, no water.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: And his story was that they took him aboard this
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: spaceship and repaired him. That he got damaged by this
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: burst of energy that came off of this spaceship. And
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: that they repaired him and that he communicated with these beings.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: And these beings are what everybody describes as these classic
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: gray aliens. These things with these big heads and these
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: large eyes and there's different Types of creatures that were
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: on this spaceship too, but that poor fucking guy for
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: the rest of his life now He's like in his 60s,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: maybe 70s and that's him he came on the podcast
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: a very nice guy But now he's the fucking wacky
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: UFO guy for the rest of his life like Travis
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: Walton could have been a normal guy and had a
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: normal life and Never experienced that like would you rather?
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: Be the person who has the unique experience that nobody
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: believes and Or never have that experience where you could
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: just live a normal life?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I would 100% rather have the experience, I think. Because, okay,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: maybe not the UFO experience. But the reason I think
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: deep down that I'm so intrigued with the paranormal and, like,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: these experiences is because, in a way, it gives me
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: hope of something, like, further than this. Like, I'd rather, like,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: instead of, like, not believing in anything and just being like,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm just going to die and sit in
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: the ground for the rest of my life. uh, or
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: for us eternity, I want to, even if it's a
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: little notch of faith that there's something else out there,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: I would much rather have that experience. But that's my opinion.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would agree too. I think, you know,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: there's going to be people that judge you for what
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: you believe, no matter if it isn't ghosts or like
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: even talking religion and stuff like that. So you might
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: as well just stay true to, you know, the things
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: you actually experience. And I would love to, to find
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: out it's, it's answers. It's kind of like giving, like
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: you said, like a little bit more hope of what
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: comes next.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: Do you guys feel that with your experiences that you've had,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: they're limited in terms of like you haven't had anything
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: like the Conjuring House happen to you? But you've had
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: enough happen where you've been around enough that you have questions.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, that's the thing is that's where we
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: like draw the line with like what we believe and
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: what we don't. Like I don't think. If I keep
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: doing this, I'm going to start levitating. If I do,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: that would be the straw. That would be the final thing.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: If I levitate tomorrow— I saw the Sally House video today. Yeah.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: I watched the Sally House video today while I was
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: working out, and those people were telling you, rather, that
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: they levitated.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: Yes, the medium.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: And I was like, did you really?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: But they're so dead serious. And there's so many people.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: They seem so normal. They seem so normal, other than
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: the fact they said they levitated.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: But, dude, if I levitate tomorrow— Then that's, that's it.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I don't have to do it again. Cause I would
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: believe I'm like, hell yeah, this is awesome. I don't
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: think that's going to happen to me. No, but there
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: are things, there's so many things that we've seen that
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: are like, okay, that makes me want to inch a
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: little closer or try it again or do it again.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: You know, there's that like, you know, spark of like, Oh,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: I cannot explain how that happens.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: What's the most profound one that you guys have experienced?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, besides Queen Mary.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: There's both like in like individual experiences that have been insane. Like,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: For me, for example, I went in Texas, actually. There
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: was a spot called Bower's Mansion. I don't know what
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: city it was in.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: It was a small, small town.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: Small town in Texas. And this was one of these
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: spots where nobody has ever investigated or it was just, like,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: a handful of people. So we were going to be, like,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: the first YouTubers to really investigate and, like, put it
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: on the map. And it had to deal with, like,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: I think it was, like, a murder-suicide. Some guy, like,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: killed his wife and then shot himself. And we're trying to, like...
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: especially this year and in the future, try to just
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: put ourselves in more scary situations. So it never, you know,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: it's always like exciting and stuff like that. And so
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: we were trying to do like more like alone challenges
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: and stuff and just things that like give us more fear.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: And so for this specific one, I had the challenge
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: of like staying in the entire like mansion by myself.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: And I was on the top floor in like a room,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: which was deemed to be like the most haunted. Apparently
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: a guy named like Bernard had lived there like, in
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: the past and uh basically was like stuck in a
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: wheelchair his entire life and stayed in that room and
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: would like only look out the window and that's it
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: and he died and apparently still in the room and
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: so i'm up there and sam is not even in
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: the house i think you're actually in the cellar and
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: then one of our other buddies is like across the
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: street and um earlier before we all did like the
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: alone investigation the door as we were walking down the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: stairs of the bernard room closed shut. And we were
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: all like, wait, did you guys hear that too? Was
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: that just my imagination? We run up there, it's completely shut.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: And so we obviously propped it back open. But since
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: I knew that had happened before, I was just up
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: there like asking questions to Bernard. And I was just like,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: all right, Bernard, if you're really up here, why don't
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: you slam this door right behind me? Like you did
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: for us earlier. It's just me and you do it. And, um,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: Sure enough, the door slammed right behind me. It's like
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: right when I turned.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: So you're alone in this mansion.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: And you're talking to ghosts.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: And you're asking the ghost to slam the door, and
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: he slams the door.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: And he slams it right behind me.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: And you're sitting there going, what the fuck?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Not sitting there.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: Instantly.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Not sitting there.
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  Speaker 4: I went into tears. And it's all on camera. I've
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: never gotten super emotional from going to these haunted places,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: but- It brought me to tears where I just immediately
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: started walking. And, of course, like this is our job.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: Like we want this stuff to happen. Right. But I've
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: never had– it was almost more of like a jump
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: scare that was startling than anything because it was right
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: behind me.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: What technology exists? Like what do ghost hunters use? Like
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: what's the cream of the crop? What's like the Tesla
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: of ghost hunting technology? Like what's the iPhone of ghost
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: hunting technology?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: Probably the EMF is like the most standard one.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: EMF? What does that stand for? electromagnetic frequencies or field
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: It's an EMF detector. So basically it just detects changes
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: in EMF energy. So like, you know, if nothing's changing
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: at all, it won't do anything. But if there's something
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: like movement or like, you know, new energy enters the
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: room or something like that, it'll spike. And so that's
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: like what a lot of the equipment is based off of.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: What's really interesting, the stuff that we do now is
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: we try to integrate just more normal energy like everyday
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: objects into our investigation because of the fact that a
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: lot of people are skeptical. So for example, one of
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: the pieces of equipment that we use a lot is
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: like a cat toy that lights up when you touch it.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: So we would put cat balls around and, you know,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: we've seen them sit there for hours and nothing happens.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: And then like one time we'll be like, all right,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: if there's someone in the room, can you go touch
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: that cat ball 20 feet away from us?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I saw the episode that you guys filmed at
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: that sanitarium. I don't know. You probably filmed many of
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: them at a sanitarium. But you had a cat toy,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: and you also had this little box with an antenna
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: that comes out of it, like a circle. It's like
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: a flat disc with an antenna, and it was going off.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: You did it. You set it in a room, and
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: you walked away, and you let the camera run.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, the Waverly Hills.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: That is a crazy scene.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: Yes. That's nuts. That's nuts.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: This device, explain what this device is, this device with
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: the antenna. It looks like a giant hockey puck.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the RIMPOD is what they call it. I
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: don't know what that stands for really, but it does
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: the same thing. So that antenna emits an electromagnetic field
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: that's probably like two feet wide. And so if there's something...
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: That's it right there.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: Right there.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: So something... enters that electromagnetic field, it'll change the frequency.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: And that would mean that would actually go off.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: When it lights up like that, that means something is
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: literally right next to it.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: So what was crazy is I think, Colby, you sat
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: there for, I don't know, you put it down and
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: it was two or three minutes until it actually went off.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: To give context a little bit, it was, the challenge
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: was to go put the rim pod downstairs by like
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: this ball or whatever. And everybody else was upstairs and
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: we had to go alone and do it. And so
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: I went down here and I put this rim pod down,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: set up the camera, and then we're all upstairs. We
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: have no idea this is going on at all.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: And we should explain why the ball, because there was
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: a video of a ball sitting there by itself. And
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: you're watching this ball, and it's not moving forever, and
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden it just rolled by itself
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: on its own. So that was really crazy. What was
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: that ball? Like where was that ball, and who set
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: the camera up for that?
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: So that wasn't our video, but the people that we
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: went with who are our friends, that was their video.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: They had been to that place like three or four times,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: and one of the times they had set that ball
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: down because the story goes that the person, the spirit
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: or whatever that is, moving that ball was like a
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: little kid. And, you know, it's a sanatorium. It was
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: like really sad. But, you know, the kids were allowed
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: to like play on that level. And so if you
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: put a ball down, it's supposedly if there's someone there,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: it will move. And they put that little rope there
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: specifically so that no wind would get it. Like you'd
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: have to actually put like an immense force to push it.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: And so our buddies who had been there before filmed,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: I think they said it was like a three-hour clip,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: three hours of this ball sitting in that same area.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: And that's why we put the ball there. um, of
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: just nothingness. And then, like you said, it didn't seem
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: like it was wind or like slow. It was like
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: immediate push.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: It was like, boom. And it like went off the screen.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: That's what it looks like on the video. The video
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: is bizarre.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: It was a video because I don't know, technical challenges
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: or whatever. He was filming his YouTube video. I don't
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: know why he was filming the video, but that's why
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: it looks so bad. But yeah, basically he witnessed this
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: ball after three hours, randomly just getting, how does it
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: get that kinetic energy to boom?
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: Move.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: No wind. So you guys decide to set this up.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: So you put the ball down there and this, what
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: is this box called again?
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: The REM pod.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: REM pod.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: And so does that detect wind? No. So does wind
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: set it off? Like if you set it up outside
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: and it's windy?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: That won't set it off.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: It's only like coming in contact with it pretty much. Yeah.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: So something has to touch it?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Either touch it or in the field. So if you
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: put your hand within a foot, it'll change.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: But if you're not, like he was standing next to
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: it for like a minute talking what he's doing and
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: it wasn't going off and then he leaves the room
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: completely he's probably 600 feet away we went up two
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: floors and down the hall and then it started going
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: off which was so monumental to us because it's like
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: why for the entire time that you were there nothing's
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: happening but as soon as you leave you didn't or
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: as soon as I leave.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah like yeah Is there any conventional explanation that anybody's
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: ever given you why that thing would just go off
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: like that?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: Well, that's, again, we're no, like, expert in all this stuff.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: There probably might be for half the time. Like, there's
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: definitely coincidences that happen in our videos. And there's a
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: lot of things that we debunk and write up to
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: be coincidences. It's the coincidences that happen so, like, linear
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: to our questions, are perfect to our questions that make
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: us believe more. So it's not like we believe everything
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: that happens and we're like, ah, maybe equipment will get
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: triggered by other things. Just like anything has a malfunction.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: It's also battery operated. So, you know, some skeptics out
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: there could say like maybe the battery is almost dead
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: and it's just malfunctioning. Who knows?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: Do you think that maybe the more you do this stuff,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: the more things happen to you?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's what has happened.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: I think so. And we're just learning that too.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: That's what's weird about it. Like I'm trying to look
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: at this as a skeptic. And I'm also trying to
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: look at this as a believer. I'm trying to be agnostic.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to be open-minded. I'm trying to watch these things.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, what if you guys are opening up
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: some fucking doorway to interactions with something or some kind
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: of energy or some kind of life forms that exist
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: in some weird dimension? And the more you interact with them,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: the more they're accessible to you.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: That's what seems weird. If you're not full of shit,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: you don't seem full of shit, you seem like very
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: nice gentlemen.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Thanks.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: If you're not full of shit, then something's happening. So
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: why do you guys keep having these experiences? Well, first
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: of all, you're going to these places that are known.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: Either people have been murdered there or fucking, I mean,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: imagine the craziness of a sanitarium. You're in a mental
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: health institution where people have died.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: Thousands.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Who knows? And so this fucking creepy energy exists in
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: that building already. And how that Waverly House, is that
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: what it's called?
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: Waverly Hills.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Waverly Hills. Waverly Hills. How long had that been abandoned
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: when you guys got there?
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: I think I closed down in the 60s or 70s.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not 100% sure, but definitely like decades.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: And is it hard for you to get access to
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: these places? They just let you go?
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: So to that point, we've actually like upped the bar
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: a lot since we started. Like when we started at
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: just like places in Kansas, yeah, like not as many
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: things that happened. But we think part of the reason
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: why more things are happening is because we have access
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: to bigger and better things. That Waverly Hills place, we
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to go for six years. We couldn't get access
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: to it. It sells out in 20 minutes for the
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: entire year to just gain access to it.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. What do people do? Have raves in there?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: Some people party. Some people have little kids' birthdays and stuff.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: So people rent that fucking creepy place out?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: It's terrifying.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: So they rent that whole... Jamie, we need to have
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: the fucking JRE party.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: There we go.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: Have a festival.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: Have a festival.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: Derby weekend. Have a festival at a mental health institution.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: So people rent it out and do stuff there.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all the time.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Mostly it's known for its haunted nature. So almost everyone
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: who's renting out is going there because they want to
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: explore it. They want to see the history or they
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: want to ghost hunt. But yeah, it's been a blessing
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: because as we've gotten bigger with this, more and more
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: locations have been open to having us there. And a
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: lot of people will reach out and be like, Hey,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: this is like this crazier story that we had, you know,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: never had access to before. And now we get to
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: have those.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: I'm curious. Have you ever heard of something called an
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: egregore and egregore before? So we had just learned about
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: this too, like recently. Um, but basically the theory is
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: that if there's enough people believing in something by just
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: manifesting it in their minds, it becomes real. And so if,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: for example, like with this spot, It's like there's been
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: so many people that have heard the dark history of
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: Waverly Hills that maybe they're believing it into existence. Like
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: there's so many people going there to ghost hunt. So
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: many people hearing about the trauma of it every single
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: day that all that energy, that's just a theory, is
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: like trapped there as well.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows? That's what's weird about thoughts. Like who
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: knows what it can cause?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: Do you believe in manifestation at all? Like, do you
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: believe in where, like, if you think positively or think
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: about something you want to happen in your life, like,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: it eventually turns up?
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: The problem with those thoughts are the people that tell
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: you that have had positive experiences. So, like, if someone
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: is a rock star and they said, I dreamed it
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: into existence, like, okay, great, but you also had talent
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: and you worked hard.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: Like, how many people, like, tried to dream it into existence,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: but it didn't happen?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: I think... It's a combination of stuff. I think that
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: visualization and it's possible that there's something more to thoughts
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: than just here's a thing that I have in my
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: head and I put it out there and, you know,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: it's just a thought. Maybe there's some sort of creative
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: energy that's attached to thoughts that maybe we're not aware of.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: But I think the problem with things like the secret
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: and the law of attraction is that it's Those very
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: esoteric and fascinating concepts are hijacked by hucksters. And then
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: assholes come along and tell you, Sam, I've got the
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: secret to you living a happy, successful life.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: And they sell you your product.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: You can have everything you need by following my 12-step course. Right, right.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: And then someone pretends that they have this sort of
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: attachment to this to the point where they've They've documented
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: it and they know exactly how it works and they know. No,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: it's a feeling. There's a thing to it. It might
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: be real. There might be something to it. But there's
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of other stuff that has to be in
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: place too. Like if you want the perfect life, you
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: want like to manifest this incredible existence, it also requires
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: an immense amount of work. It's not like you just
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: fucking think it and dream it into being.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: And maybe even a bit of luck.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: A lot of luck.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: But what is luck?
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe you're manifesting luck.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: Is luck already destined?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Luck is working hard to put yourself in good situations.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, but also luck because you can get hit by
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: a fucking meteor.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: You could be a child and get killed in a drive-by.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: Luck is real. There's bad luck. There's good luck. Shit happens.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: That's real, too. So it's hard to say because it's
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: all discussed by the winners. You know, like I had
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: a photo of a house that I put on my
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: wall and that was my vision board and I made
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: that a reality and I built this business from the
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: ground up with my own thoughts. Did you really or
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: did you work too? Did you, you know, like it's
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: good to have this belief because that also gets you
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: up in the morning and it fuels your discipline. Because
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: you have this firm belief that you're going to make
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: it happen. And then when you do make it happen,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: you're like, I dreamed it into existence.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: But that wasn't the only piece of the puzzle.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: But I think it is an important part of the
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: piece of puzzle to see what you're focusing on. It
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: might be magic.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: There might be something to it. There might be magic.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: There might be something to it, but it might be
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: just an ingredient along with discipline and along with a
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: plan and along with talent. But there might be something
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: to dreaming things into existence.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: It's also whatever you focus on will be what you
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: work on. Whatever you focus on, as an accountant, if
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: you're always looking for errors, you're going to see all
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: the wrongdoings in your life because you're looking for errors.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: But if you're optimistic and you're always looking for positives,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: you're going to find more positives.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: In your life.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: Well, this speaks to what we were talking about earlier
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: about being young and failing a lot. If you concentrate
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: on those failures, then you think of yourself as a failure.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: It's very dangerous for people. Because I've seen it with
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: people where they have a few bad experiences like in
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: high school. Like they fall apart a few times and
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: they lose jobs. They lose this. They lose that. And
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: then they're a loser. And then in their mind, they're
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: a loser because they're concentrating only on those negative experiences
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: they've had. Instead of like getting past that and growing
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: and say that was a valuable life experience and that's
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: caused me to reevaluate and reassess the way I communicate
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: and change the way I think. And it caused me
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: to get up earlier and work harder, and that made
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: me a winner. Because bad experiences are very valuable. Like
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: failing is very valuable.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: Because it sucks. And you can learn.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: When you're in jail, you're probably like, bro, this can't
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: keep happening.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: Let's switch up the content. Let's go. That's the good
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: aspect of bad experiences is that it gives you like
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: an incredibly powerful motivating tool. So I don't know whether
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: or not you can manifest things into existence. But I'm
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: not opposed to the idea totally. I am opposed to
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: the idea that it's the only thing. I'm opposed to
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: the idea like The Secret. You know, like I'm going
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: to– do you know the documentary The Secret?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: There was like a bunch of people that really believed
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: that they were just going to think things into existence. Yeah,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: that's the saddest thing. There was this girl who was
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: friends with a friend of mine. And she was at
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: the comedy store one night and she's like– I am,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: you know, I am so happy because I found the
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: secret and I'm going to meet the man of my
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: dreams and I'm going to have the career that I've
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: always wanted. I'm like, how are you going to do that?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: She's like, well, I just started following the secret. And
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: like Oprah was, you know, talking about her on her
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: show and all these people believe in this here like
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: hey oprah you already fucking you have the secret all
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: right you're already oprah you can't just fucking start selling
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: dreams so uh so i didn't see this lady for
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: like a couple of years and then i ran into
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: her at another comedy show i'm like hey how you
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: doing i haven't seen you forever She was like, yeah,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: things aren't working out. Like, I really thought that I
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: was going to be able to control my life with
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: the secret. But, you know, my father is still a
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: fucking loser. And, you know, every guy I date's an idiot. And,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't have the career that I wanted.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, shit ain't real. It's not that simple.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: It's so sad, too, because that's what I always, like,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: think about when someone asks, like, oh, my God, like,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: I want to be a YouTuber. Everyone wants to be
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: a YouTuber now.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: Everyone wants to be on social media or TikTok. And
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, yeah, it's just, you know, easy. Post
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: a video or something like that. But you don't realize
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: how much work goes into it or how much you
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: have to try and be able to accept failure for
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: months on months on months before you see anything.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: It takes a certain type of person to put themselves
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: out there, which is a whole other topic. But it's
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: so sad that, like, this new generation is kind of, like,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: being born into where everybody has followers now. Like, when
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: Sam and I were in high school and we started podcasting,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: popping off on Vine, it was frowned upon. We were
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: not popular in high school whatsoever, but now it seems like, yeah,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: kids just are born into that where they have You know,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: iPads at a super young age and have 10K on Instagram.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: TikTok is weird because they just make you have large
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: following so that you'll be addicted to it.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: You know, I've heard kids talk about, I have 2,000 followers. Like,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: they're fucking you. They're lying to you. And think about that.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: They're just making you get more followers so that you
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: get addicted.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: Smart.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: And think about, like, after you do get those followers,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: let's say you do have one viral video and then
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: you never get it again. So you have like you
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: had this one success and you're addicted to it and
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: you fail and fail and fail and fail. How hard
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: is that on the psyche to just be like, oh,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: I did it. And now I can never do it again.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: And that's why I like this viral concept nowadays with
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: TikTok because I feel like even worse.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: It's definitely weird. Like how about that dude with the
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: cranberry juice that's skateboarding with a Mac? Yeah.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: That guy.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Try doing that again, buddy. His life changed for like
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: a month, and then now he's like, oh.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: Now it's back to normal. Like he hit magic in
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: a bottle with that one video.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: It's like winning the lottery and then realizing your real
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: life later on.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: It's like winning the lottery for $ 100, 000. It's great to
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: have $ 100, 000, but then like, you know.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: You can't retire off of that.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you got to do something else. Like
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: something has to happen.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: That guy was like on a television show, right? It
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: was a show.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: I'm just looking at an article right now. From a
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 6: couple months ago.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the thing is, like, how long ago was that?
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: Was that a year and a half ago or so?
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: It was during the pandemic.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: So fall of 2020.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: Okay. So two years ago. So two plus years ago,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: this dude does that. Three years ago now, I guess.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: So... Yeah, man.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: It just goes away.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, there's been so many occurrences of that
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: throughout all time of social media.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 6: 420 dog faces.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: 420 dog faces.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: 8 million from that? He's got tons of followers now. Oh,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: my God. He's got 7.4 million followers and 122.6 million likes.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Management and everything.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 6: Wow. He's parlayed it.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: So he has parlayed it. Yeah. But look at his
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: new video. It has 11,000 views. Like, that's bullshit. Right. Bro,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: we got to do better. Come on, man. Some of
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: these videos, look at that, 2,000 views.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 6: 1.7 million.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, that one killed it. So he's got a fucking
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: wig on. What is that? It's Wednesday. Oh, my God. See,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: but you've got to keep trying. Yeah, so he keeps trying.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: That's good, though. Well, that's the thing. Well, obviously, that
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: guy got a taste. I mean, how many people watched
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: that Fleetwood Mac video?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: Everyone.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 6: The whole world.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: Was it a Super Bowl commercial?
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: I think so.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Oh my God. But that's also like
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: one hit wonders with music, right?
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: Like imagine you're at the top of the charts with
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: one song and then it fucking never happens again.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: Never again.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: There's a ton of those out there. Tons. Yeah. Like
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: you're a rock star for one song.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: And like they get conceited about it too. Like they're
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: all like sitting on a high horse for like a year.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: Then you're just like, just the same with social media kids.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: Like we met so many kids without saying names, of course,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: where they're like, On this TikTok wave of like, oh, yeah,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: I'm awesome now or like whatever. Like I'm in the
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: social media world. And then like a year later and
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: they're just nothing.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: That's the trap.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: This morning I saw this article of a girl who did,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: I think it was Musical.ly or something. She had three
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: plus million followers on Instagram and tried to come up
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: with a merch line and only sold like 10 or
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: 15 T-shirts. And it was like, so, yeah, you got
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: all these people to follow you.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: But like, they're not fans of you.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: Are you, what are you doing with this following? And
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: it's just so weird because a lot of people think
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: that as soon as like they have this one blow
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: up video, their life has changed forever, but it's a
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: lot of work to continue on.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But at least you got some spark. The question
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: is like, what do you do with that spark? How
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: do you turn those embers into a roaring fire? And
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: some people figure it out and some people don't, but
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: that's the beauty of what's happening now is that folks
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: like you, who don't have any experience in Hollywood, you
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: don't even have backgrounds in doing musicals and plays, like
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you're in show business, right? You
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: guys are in, but it's like self-created show business, but
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: it's massively successful. I mean, you guys have like, I've
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: seen videos. You have like, what's the most views one
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: of your videos has?
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: Isn't it the contrary or the Stanley?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Like 30 million or something.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: That is fucking bonkers.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: Crazy.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: Stop and think about that. Like of a movie has
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: 30 million people going to see it. Holy shit. Is
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: that huge? Yeah.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: That's gigantic. Can't even imagine that in a television show.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: The television show has 30 million views. That's gigantic. Well,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: it's just you guys. Just by yourself.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: And we do all the editing ourselves as well. We
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: shoot everything ourselves. So it's literally just us with a camera.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: That's why we're not, we always claim like we're not
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: trying to force any information down anybody's throats. We're not
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: like a TV show. We're like two kids from Kansas
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: with a camera trying to just make cool videos.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: But that's also why it resonates. You know, that's why
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: people are into it because it doesn't seem like there's
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: other people involved. It seems like it's all you guys.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: Like it feels like it's you guys. So people who
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: become fans of your show, they actually become fans of you. Right.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: Because they like hanging out with you guys. They like
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: hanging out with you guys while you freak out in
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: a sanitarium. Exactly.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: Literally.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: That's like what we base our entire, like, YouTube channel
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: on is we have, yeah, like the crazy adventures that
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: we go on maybe are like, you know, a spectacle.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: But like the reason why people are watching what we're
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: doing is 80% of that video is just jokes. Just
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: hanging out with friends. Like our thing that we're promoting
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: is like shared experience with our friends. Like we take
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: all these different groups of friends all around the world,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: have a good time. And if something happens, it might
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: be a life-changing experience.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: It's like, and when those things do happen, you bond
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: with those friends so much deeper than if you just,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: you know, went to a coffee shop.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: I watched one last night with my daughter where you
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: guys went to Romania.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow. You went to Dracula's castle.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So this is Vlad Tepes. That's, is that really
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: where he supposedly lived or is one of his castles?
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: Is that what it was?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: Uh, yeah.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: One of, I think his main castle was different, but
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: he fought like some battle there. And we also went
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: to his, uh, death place. But yeah, like, How many
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: people had died on that ground? Probably thousands and thousands.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, right? Yeah, the bottle of Dracula piss
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: that you got on the floor after you carried around
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: with you. When you're in that guy's area, like this guy,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: for people who don't know, Dracula, the book by Bram
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: Stoker and all the movies were based on this man
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: named Vlad the Impaler. who used to eat lunch while
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: he had his enemies like writhing on spikes in front
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: of him. He was notoriously a ruse, which by the way,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: someone sent me, Matt Stagg sent me this, that he
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: had been captured when he was younger. He had been
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: imprisoned when he was younger and probably had been raped
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: and tortured. And that's one of the reasons why he
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: was such a ruthless person. When he was a very
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: young man, I believe. See if you can find that.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: The guy was a monster.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: There's so many people like that from history where you
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: hear about what they did and you just imagine, like,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: this is the gentleman.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. You can reread that, I guess.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: It says, when Vlad was called to a diplomatic meeting
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: in 1442 with Sultan Murad II, he brought his young sons,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: Vlad III and Radu, along But the meeting was actually
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: a trap. All three were arrested and held hostage. The
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: elder Vlad was released under the condition that he leave
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: his sons behind.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, God.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: Years of captivity. Under the Ottomans, Vlad and his younger
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: brothers were tortured. Oh, tutored, rather. In science, philosophy, and
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: the arts, Vlad also became a skilled horseman and warrior,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: according to some accounts. However, he may have been imprisoned
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: and tortured for part of that time, during which he
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: would have witnessed the impalement of... His, the Ottomans' enemies. Scary.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: There's even rumors that he would drink the blood of
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: his enemies, which is why he gets compared to Dracula
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. Hold on. Go back down a little bit.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: The rest of Vlad's family, however, failed even worse. His
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: father was ousted as the ruler of, how do you
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: say that word? Wallachia? Wallachia? By local warlords and was
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: killed in the swamps near Balteni, Wallachia in 1447. Vlad's
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: older brother, Mercia, was tortured, blinded, and buried alive. Okay.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: People were fucking rude.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: Does Dracula mean son of the dragon?
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: Well, in Romania, they say it means devil now. They
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: call it Dracula. They use that term interchangeable with devil.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: That's what it used to mean?
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Son of dragon was what it originally was, but nowadays
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: they say it's devil.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: Amazing that that guy then became... What everybody thinks of
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: as the guy with the slick back hair that's a vampire.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: Right, the character.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: You know, like, did you guys watch the Bram Stoker movie?
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Bram Stoker's Dracula? Yeah.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: With Gary Oldman? Fucking great movie. Yeah. That's wild.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: He literally created the character, I believe, of the vampire. And, like, well,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: there was films, like, have you ever seen Nosferatu? Mm-hmm. Sure. Like,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: that is honestly probably the scariest figure in my, like, head.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: And I want to say that was... What year was Nosferatu?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: 1922.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: Damn, because that was a silent movie as well, I believe.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was silent. I saw that movie at the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: public library when I was seven years old.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: Hate this guy.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. What a great monster movie, though. Like,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: what a great character. And he lived in coffins and shit,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: and he was on a boat. I don't know.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: I hate it.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the original vampire.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, one of the best original of the scary movies.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: What was that one?
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: It's a remake.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: It's a different one?
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 6: Werner Herzog remake.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, really? Werner Herzog remade it? No shit. When did
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: he do that?
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: That's what it says.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: No kidding.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 6: 1922 remake, yeah.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: 2019.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: I never heard a peep about this. Did you?
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Huh.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 6: Sure have not.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: Huh.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: You know, on that same trip, we went out to Romania,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: but I think right after Romania went to the Ukraine...
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: And that was probably one of our most terrifying experiences because, uh,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: in Odessa, there is this giant, like labyrinth of catacombs
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: underneath the city is basically like a mine. Uh, they
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: used all the limestone from underneath to build the entire
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: city of Odessa in Ukraine. But we had some near
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: and run-ins of like almost dying down there. I mean,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: obviously you shouldn't go into the catacombs alone, but this
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: is like one of our like exploring videos. Um, and
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: oh my God, this, the story is crazy. We met
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: this random guy, uh, who was going to take us
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: in because our original guide like broke his hand the
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: night before. And he was like, Oh, trust this dude.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: He he's done it before. You should just go in
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: the catacombs with this guy.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: We're like, what?
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: He spoke broken English. Like, Oh, great. We're like, all right.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, we need to get a video. Let's go.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: Like, why not?
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. So we're diving deep into this place and,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: He turns to us at one point and he said,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: do you guys know how to get out? And I
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: was like, I mean, maybe he's like, no, you don't.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: If I leave you right now, you would die. And
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: he just looks at us and we're like, please don't.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I want to test something. I'm going
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: to go over there. This is a circle. You guys
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: got to find your way back over to me, but
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to leave you alone.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: And so we're like, this is like a labyrinth too.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: This is a giant labyrinth. I don't know if you've
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: ever seen like catacombs.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: So this guy has this shit all memorized. Yeah.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we're going and things that look like that
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: the entire time. And he asks us to go in
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: like a base of a figure eight.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: Um, that's him right there in the blue.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: And he was like, find me. And if I, and
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: if you don't find me, like if I wanted to,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: I could leave. I'm like, he was a nice guy.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't do it. But at that point, letting you know, we, we,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: we realized at that point, Oh God, like we could
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: die right now. It is just absolutely terrifying. All those
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: markings on a wall was apparently a story of a
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: guy that got trapped in there and kept seeing that figure,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: that little shadow figure on the wall. And so he
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: went crazy and wrote a ton of different things.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, Jesus.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: But what was really, really insane, I don't know exactly
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: where this is in the video or else I'd show you,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: but he turns to us as we go and says, hey,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: let me walk ahead of you for this section. I'm like,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: all right, why? And he was like, because last week
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: I almost got bombed here. And I was like, what
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: does that mean? He was like, yeah, so me and
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: the other guides that take people down here in those catacombs,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: we don't like each other. And we don't like sharing clients.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: So if I was able to kill off all the
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: other people that were down here, then I'd get all
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: the clientele. And I was like, what? What are we
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: in here? We've already been with this guy for two hours.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: And he turns and he's like, let me show you something.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: He goes behind this rock, pulls out a bomb.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: A pipe bomb.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: A pipe bomb.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: Like a little thing.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: With like a fuse on it. And it was like,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: I found this because I almost triggered this four days ago.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: And this would have killed me instantly. And if this
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: would have got that thing.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: That thing, yeah.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: And it was booby trapped up there. And he said,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: if you guys trigger those, the walls are caving in
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: and we're all going to die.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: Like that.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: And he was being 100% serious.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: So nonchalant about it.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: We thought we were like, no way that you're just
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: joking with us. He's like, no, if that goes off
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: and you see another one, like don't move at all.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: I will try to disarm it and we'll keep going.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: But the level of intensity for that night was like
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: so beyond anything because we're like, okay, this is not
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: like just scary. We're getting lost, whatever. We could die.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: So they're murdering people for the guide business?
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: For the guide business. It's crazy.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 5: Shh.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: It makes no sense.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: So what is the most danger you feel like you've
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: ever been in? Was it then?
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe then. There was maybe like, okay, there was this
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: one time that we got held at gunpoint.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That was probably the most.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: And that was really, really close.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: This was four days before our arrest, too. So it
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: was on the same, usually when we did the Explorer videos,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: abandoned videos, we would go and film like four to five,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: like in one stint. So this was like our Florida trip.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: We land, it's like 8 a.m., 9 a.m., and we're
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: hitting like our first spot, which is this giant hotel,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: giant like hospital, something like that, right next to the highway.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: And so basically we were just there to film our video,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: of course. One of our main things back in the
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: day was we had these Explore stickers that we go
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: put at the top of each one of these buildings.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: And so we made our way to the roof and
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: probably spent a little bit too much time on top
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: of the building where everybody could see us. And so
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: we knew we already had to you know, lay low
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: as we were like leaving and we're, we're leaving this building.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: And as we go out, we see a lady on
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: the property with an orange vest and she's walking towards us.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: So before, you know, we can do anything, we just
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: decided to run. Um, and so we ran the opposite
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: direction and there was like a little fence that we
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: could hop behind us. And so we hopped it into
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: what we thought was like a private property of like
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: an office building space, or there was like building big
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: buildings and like a big parking lot and stuff, literally this,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: like that's where we're at. Um, And as we're trying
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: to leave this, like, office building, what we thought, we
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: had four officers run up to us right here where
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: this is, like, the front gate with guns saying, like,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: get on the ground. Like, you guys are so fucked. Like,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: all this stuff that we were like, whoa, whoa, we've
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: been doing abandoned forever. We've been caught before but, like,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: never been held at gunpoint.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: Calls in and then like two or three more cops
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: come in and circle us.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's serious.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: And like the one guy is standing far because I
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: don't know his point or whatever. And then two other
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: guys rush us. They both take our heads and like
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: are like, you guys are absolutely fucked. They put me
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: and like just shove my face up against this fence
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: and like grind it up against this. Like, I don't
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: care who you are. You guys are fucked. You're going
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: to go to jail. I got you.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: And we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. What is going on?
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: Like what? Like we were just filming.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: Our daily videos that we always do. Like what's going on?
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: And they're like, why are you at the school? And
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: we're like, what school? And they're like, you just walked
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: out of an elementary school with two backpacks, all black
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: clothing and cameras.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: We had masks on and like gloves and stuff like that.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: And I was like, no, no, no.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: We're at this like abandoned place. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, right.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: You guys are fucked.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: You guys are going to jail. You're terrorists. And we're like, what? Yo, no, no, no, no.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: This is not whatever. And they're like, get on the ground.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: And then like two or three more cops come and
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: show up.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: You tell them, we've got video footage. Just review the
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: video footage, sir.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: It is crazy. So yeah, after like, you know, getting
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: screamed at in our faces and like guns pointed, it
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: was the first time I looked down the barrel of
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: a gun for sure. And I was like, okay, this
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: is serious. I need to not do this.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: And they thought you were terrorists.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: They thought we were terrorists.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: Because they thought you were going to blow up a
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: school or something.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. So was there someone else that was
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: at the school? Uh, no, I will.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, the school part was on the other, other
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: property and it was in session. It was like an
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: elementary school that was fine. We were in an abandoned
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: hospital on the other lot.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: So was there just some crossed wires in terms of
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: like how someone was reporting what was going on? Yeah,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: I think what they just saw was like two random guys,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: you know, protect, you know, like, you know, they have
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: to protect their elementary school. They're seeing two guys that
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: are like older with black clothing on, backpacks, and they're like,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: assume the worst immediately.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: It makes sense. It's a code red.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: Code red, for sure. We were in the wrong. But
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: we just didn't know we were.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: In the wrong.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: I got it, I got it, I got it.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: So we learned that they were just school officers that, honestly,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know how they had even weapons on them.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: Doesn't make any sense, but they ended up calling like
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: the deputies and the sheriff of like the actual police.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 4: And then the sheriff came over and was like, what's
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: the situation, boys? We're just like we explained we're just
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: exploring that, not the school or whatever. And he was
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 4: just like, you're free to go. The two days later,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: we got arrested. So if we didn't take that as
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: like a bad sign.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: No, not even two days later. So like after that,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: we were like hearts pumping. It's going crazy. We hop
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: in the car, go to our next abandoned spot, film
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: Wow. 45 minutes after.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: On to the next.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: We were like, this ain't going to stop us.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: Let's go. Oh my God.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: But what about in terms of like being in a
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: haunted environment? When have you felt like you were the
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: most in danger?
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: Ooh, Devil's Chair is a crazy story.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, so since we've been doing this a long time,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: it takes more and more for us to feel like
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: we're in danger. A lot of the times when we're
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: getting these things, like I said at the beginning, it's
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: more exciting. It's more like if I can somehow prove
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: to myself that this exists, then I'm intrigued. But this time,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: I was definitely not intrigued. You said you went to
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Zach Bagans Museum?
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: How did you like that?
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: Well, the museum's amazing. It's incredible that it's two hours long.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: I heard it was a house in Vegas and that
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: it's a two-hour tour. I'm like, how? Yeah. How's a
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: two-hour tour? There's so much shit there.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: And there's so many things from serial killers and so
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: many different haunted pieces of memorabilia. And there's the bed
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: where Lamar Odom had a fucking overdose, which is weird. Like,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: why is this here?
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: We ended up laying in that.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: We were the first to lay in that ever.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: The first?
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 4: Well, Lamar might have laid.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: In there afterwards. No, after sitting in it, we're like,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: what are we sitting in? That was kind of gross.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: What type of liquids are there?
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: A lot. But imagine gathering all that stuff and putting
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: it in one place.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: I wonder how that's affected Zach. Because, like, what is
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: that box in the center?
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: The Dybbuk box. Yeah.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: What is that? What's the story behind that?
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: So, the Dybbuk in, like, Jewish folklore is apparently, like,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: a wandering spirit. A lot of people say it's a demon.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: That's you guys.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 4: That's me.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: Okay. They're talking about the Dybbuk box?
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe a little picture of it.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: But, yeah. So, anyway.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: So, apparently, this... this Dybbuk box is said to be
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: able to trap a spirit inside of it. And that
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: way it's not going to be haunting a location. Um,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly because a lot of these Dybbuk
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: boxes are now like just fake random things that people
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: put around. Um, this one in particular, I think was
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: like the most rare, like the original one, like where
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: the idea came from. And that's why people say it's
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: like the most haunted box in the world. And whether
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: or not you believe that, there has been so many
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: people that have touched that box and immediately passed out.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: Or said as soon as they walked in, they had
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: bad luck for the next week. Even like, I know
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: Post Malone always talks about his story. He talked about
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: it on this podcast.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah?
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go to Zach's museum, it's him on
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: the podcast. They played a video of him talking about
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: his experience. Oh, I remember seeing that. Oh, it's here.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: There it is.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: So when you were– when I was there, there's a
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: feeling when you go in that room that I'm saying
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: to myself, okay, am I mind-fucking myself? Like is this
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: me going, oh, this box is haunted, so you should
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: feel weird. Like is this bullshit? But it didn't feel good.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: It felt like, oh, I should probably get the fuck
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: out of here. That's what I felt. Like when I
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: was around that box, I was like, I don't think
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: I want to be here. But was that because it's,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, the setting is really cool. Like what he's
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: done with that museum is really fun. I recommend it.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: If you're in Vegas and you got some time during
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: the day and you don't feel like blowing all your
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: money at the slot machines, go there because it's really entertaining.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 4: Super cool.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: And the tour is very cool. They do a great
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: job with the tour. But there's so much stuff there.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: There's so much haunted shit and so much memorabilia, even
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: if you don't believe in ghosts. I mean, they have
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: memorabilia from Ted Bundy and Charles Manson and Ed Gein.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: Celebrities that have passed, not even from serial killers, but just.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: They have the bus where the fucking Dr. Death was
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: killing people in it. What's his name? No. What is
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: his name?
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an assisted suicide guy, right?
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 4: Kevorkian.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack Kevorkian. Yeah, they have his fucking van. They
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: have his van. There's a Volkswagen bus, which is bizarre.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: There's so much weird shit in that museum that you walk.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: Out and you're like.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: You get out and you're like.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: And you saw the clips they play. They literally play
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 4: clips there of people fainting and projectile vomiting and stuff.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: So it puts in your mind. Yes. First five minutes
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: that this is going to be horrible.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 3: No, there's legit footage of people that are patrons that
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: are just customers who go there and faint. Often, too.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: The day that we rolled up, someone was being wheeled
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: out on a stretcher. I was like, what is going on?
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: Well, it's the mind fuck, right? Because if you're someone
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: who's got a fragile mind and then you're in that
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: room alone with that box, just that alone. And what's
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: the doll, the haunted doll? Yeah.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 4: Peggy.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: Peggy.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 4: You can't look her in the eyes.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: Peggy's creepy.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: Peggy's very creepy.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: Peggy's creepy. But just the way they set it up,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: how it's all the music and the darkness. rooms and
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: the weird lighting it's flickering and it's a great job
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: he does a great job with it it's really it's
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: fun it's a good time but uh you know it's
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: like you're the whole time you're saying like how much
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: of this is just my mind playing tricks.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: On me right yeah and there's definitely a part of
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: that to every haunted location you go into it's like
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: you know what you're getting yourself into and so you're
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: kind of expecting and or opening yourself up to having
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: those types of experiences.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: Has there ever been a time where you knew that
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 3: you were opening yourself up to these things, but it
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: still shocked you?
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: I think that's crazy.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: At that location, just, you know, for example... So in
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: Zach Bagan's museum, one of the most haunted, if not
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: the most haunted object in the whole museum, I don't
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: know if you saw it, probably did, the Devil's Rocking Chair.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: There it is.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: So we actually were able to sit.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: He gave us permission. We were the first people besides
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: him and his team to sit in this chair.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: So basically that was the only exhibit that he's ever
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: had to close down.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: Look at those girls.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: They're terrified.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: Look at their faces.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 3: Look at their faces.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: That looks so real.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 4: Like, why did you bring us here? With you guys? Yes.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Yeah.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: He had shut down that museum or that exhibit specifically
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people were, like, complaining about, you know,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: getting nauseous or throwing up or something like that. It's
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: apparently the only artifact that he had to close off
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: in that museum. But for some reason, he was, like,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: super nice to us and was like, guys, besides me,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: no one's sat in that since the exorcism that had
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: occurred on that chair. So if you guys want to,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: you guys can sit in it for the first time ever.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: And that was one of those times like we're down
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: to push the limit and stuff like that. But that
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: was one of those times that I actually like gather
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: myself and be like, we can do it. Like, let's
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: figure this out. Let's like not actually like overthink about it.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: So what is what are you talking to? Like when
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 3: you're saying you've gone too far, like you have headphones
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: on and you have your blindfold on.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 3: So what's going on?
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: So this is one of like our favorite experiments. It's
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: called the Estes method. It relies on the theory that
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: if you take away certain senses, other ones are enhanced.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: And so there's this thing called a spirit box that
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: like shuffles through different radio frequencies. And what I'm doing
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: is I'm like focusing on like whatever it says. And
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: I can't hear the questions that, colby and what are
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: you you're hearing something in your ears yeah well i'm
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: hearing radio static basically it's going really really every.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: Once in a while we'll break into a radio station
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 4: where we'll be like a song or something that like
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: will be something saying saying or like just a word
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 4: will pop out but mostly you just hear static.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: And these are like uh noise canceling headphones and i
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: can't see what they're saying so it's basically.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: You're blindfolded you have this thing on it's static And
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: occasionally sounds come through that are words.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: And so you're just repeating those words?
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: Well, so I'm out. I'm, like, watching him, and I'm
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 4: asking questions out. And whatever's there is supposed to use
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: the Estus method or, like, use Sam basically as the
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 4: vessel to speak out.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: The conduit of Estus.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 4: So, for example, I'd be like, are you here right now?
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: And then he'd be like, yes, over there, or something
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: And so you're in this haunted rocking chair, and you're
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 3: using this method with blindfolds on and the earplugs.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically to sensory deprive myself so that no matter what,
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: I couldn't be just faking an answer and hearing what
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: he said and say something random. So the theory is, yes,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: there will be other random words that happen because it's
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: radio frequencies. However, but down to the coincidence theory, if
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: things make sense over and over and over again to
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: the questions that he's asking, then that is said to
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: be more paranormal. So what did it feel like for
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: you to be sitting in that creepy chair? So during that,
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: it was a whole different world. But what was really,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: really interesting is, like Colby said, after doing this a lot,
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: it takes a lot for us to have a physical reaction. Although, yes,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: I was definitely terrified because of all the lore and
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: the stories that were being told all up until this point.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: The guy telling us a hundred times, no one has
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: ever done this before. You're about to be the first.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: It's terrifying. But sitting down on that chair for the
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: first time, I think ever, gave me a feeling of
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: almost being paralyzed. I don't know if you've ever been hypnotized.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been hypnotized? So the feeling of being
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: in hypnosis was almost immediate as soon as I sat
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: down there, not when I was doing that experiment, but
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: prior to that, where I couldn't necessarily feel my legs
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: as much. And yes, if you gave me an ultimatum,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: if you have to stand up right now or you're
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: going to die, I could stand up. But if you've
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: been under hypnosis, it's like this pressure that you probably
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: shouldn't do this or that your, your mind is being
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: swayed to do something else. And to me, that pressure
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: was don't stand up.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: So you felt like you're under a spell. Yeah.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: And like the, the same thing with hypnosis. Like I've
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: been hypnotized before. And like I said, if everything in
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: my being wanted to stand up, yeah, I can stand
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: up or I can not listen to like what's happening. However,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: if you allow yourself to like feel that the feeling
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: was paralyzing and I, I like run a lot. So
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: I always, uh, like, use this as an example, it
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: felt as though within seconds of sitting down on that chair,
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: I had run five, 10 miles. Like it felt like
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: I was sore and like my legs were like real,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: you know, like that, uh, like almost like sluggish feeling
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: to like your, your, your muscles after like a big workout.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: That's what I felt almost immediately. It was like so bizarre.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: And I'd never felt like that before. And still to
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: this day, since that chair, I had never felt like
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: that either.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: So when it comes to all of your paranormal experiences,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: that chair was the freakiest to you?
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: That chair was the most physically changing. Again, I think
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: the freakiest moments are always the beginning because it's the
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: first time you ever hear anything. So that Queen Mary
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: story was what changed my psyche the most. That one
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: was the most physically.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 4: Don't forget about the Robert the doll location, though. There
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: was a time I've never seen Sam like almost like
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: throw up from. And that was a huge physical reaction.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 4: That just happened.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: That just happened.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: Is this a new one?
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: This is a newer one. We just came out with
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: it last month. Apparently, Robert the doll, if you don't
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: know the story, have you ever heard of Annabelle?
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: So Annabelle is a movie franchise. It's based on a
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: real doll. So the real doll is like apparently the
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: second most haunted in the world. And Robert is the
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: number one most haunted doll.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: In the world.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: Robert's more haunted than Annabelle?
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 4: Apparently.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: That's what people say. When's he getting his movie? Exactly.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: He's got plenty of movies about him.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: He's just got a plain face?
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 4: He needs better agents.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: They blurred it.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: They blurred it?
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. We blurred it.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: We blurred it for purposes, but if you want to
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: just Google images.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: Why'd you blur it?
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 4: It's because you're not supposed to take pictures or film it.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 4: That's like the biggest no-no, and we're obviously there filming
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: a YouTube video. Oh, Funny enough, going back to Zach Bagans,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: if you stare Peggy in the eyes, you get cursed.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 4: And so it's the same thing with this dog. And
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 4: so we blurred it for, like, our fans.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: So your fans don't get cursed? Are we getting cursed
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: right now? I think we could be. What the fuck, Jamie?
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: Don't curse me. Do you want me to show it
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: on the show? No! We could all die.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: No, what's interesting is, like, obviously there's all those stories, whatever.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: So what really gets us is when people have, like,
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: their own personal experiences that they come and talk about.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: What we didn't realize is how many people had experiences
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: with this doll. They calculated to more than 10,000 people
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: have written in apology letters to Robert to ask for
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: forgiveness because of the curse that he put on them. 10,000 individuals.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe even if 50% of those are bullshit, there are 5,000
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: people out there that genuinely believe they have been cursed
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: by this doll by taking a picture of it.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: Including Ozzy. Ozzy Osbourne. What?
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: Ozzy wrote a letter?
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, it wasn't a letter.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: Ozzy! On his show. His Parkinson's.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: I think he has Parkinson's right now, I believe. Right.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 4: And he blames that on Robert the Doll because the
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: story is he, there's like a big like touristy shop
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 4: at the end and he bought like one of the
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 4: little Robert the Doll plushies and like put it in
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 4: a microwave and like just make fun of it and
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 4: stuff and then claims that he got Parkinson's because of that.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 6: So.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: Well, A lot of people get Parkinson's without that. Ozzy
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: Osbourne blames Year of Hell on Haunted Doll. Holy shit.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: Look at him. Oh, my God. The Black Sabbath rocker
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease last year and underwent spinal
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: surgery following a fall at his home. Makes the claim
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: that his family's new really, really TV show? Reality TV show,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: I guess it should have said. The Osbournes want to
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 3: believe the show sees his son, Jack, 34, trying to
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: persuade Ozzy 71, Mom, Sharon, 68, and Sister Kelly, 35,
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: to believe in the paranormal, including ghosts, UFOs, fairies, and werewolves.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: A one episode sees Jack produce a doll named Robert
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 3: that he reveals is the original doll that inspired the
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 3: Chucky horror movie franchise. Jack says the actual story of
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: Robert the doll is that it's cursed by the spirit
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: of his owner. If you disrespect him, make fun of him,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: take a picture without asking, or even handle him, you'll
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 3: be cursed immediately. Terrible things will begin to happen in
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: your life. Ozzy throws the doll to the floor saying,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: you think it's a fucking joke? It's bad luck.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: I keep telling you. You keep thinking it's fucking not.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: But just look at what I'm saying. Just look at
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: what's going on with me. You think it's a joke?
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: Just look at me.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: It ain't bad luck.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's Aussie in here.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: I was going to say that was a spot on.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: Well, fuck that doll.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I don't want, I need that doll in
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 4: my life. No, thank you. But that's why we blurred,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 4: blurred his face.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 3: So you were in the presence of this doll. Yeah.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: So what is it like to be around this doll?
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: It's definitely weird. Cause like, uh, we've been in a
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: lot of haunted places. Um, but it's different when you're
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: dealing with haunted objects. It's not like, Oh, this, the
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: building and the vibe we're in is haunted. It's more
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: like this specific thing that's in front of me.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: And what is the story behind this doll? Like, Why
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: is it supposedly haunted?
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: So this guy gave, it's like a three and a
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: half foot tall doll. It's like a life-size type of doll.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: It's really weird.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: He gave it to his son. And the son's name
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: was Robert Otto.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 4: It was like Jean Robert Otto.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: Jean Robert Otto. Or Robert Jean Otto. And he gave
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: his first name and his clothes to this doll. And
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: so the kid and the doll became best friends for
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: years and years and years. And he basically embodied... this
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: guy and just became Robert himself. But over the course
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: of his childhood and all the way up until I
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: think he had left his parents' house to go to college,
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: he would have horrible things happen to him because of
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: this doll. And this doll was allegedly taken from like
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: Germany at this shop, the same company.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 4: It was called the Steiff, the same company that created
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 4: like the original teddy bear, created this doll.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: So from the original teddy bear company, he brought this
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: doll from Germany to give this guy in Florida. And-
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: throughout his entire childhood, like, things will, like, chairs will
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: be moved, like, all these horrible bad luck things would happen, like,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: he would almost, to the parents, it would seem like
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: he was arguing with someone in the room, and they'd
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: hear two voices, and then when the parents would run
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: into the room, it was just him and the doll.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 4: Which is creepy, because the parents would say that they heard, like,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 4: their little kid's voice, and then, like, an older, deep, like,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 4: man's voice.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, Christ.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 4: Talking back and forth, and apparently that was Robert, but
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 4: The big theory about Robert is that he was also
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 4: one of these like eager gore in an object sort
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 4: of like, I don't know, creatures, I guess, puppets, I
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 4: guess you could say, because Gene would always blame everything
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 4: that he did wrong on the doll. So like if
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 4: he would like if, you know, furniture would be like
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 4: all around his room or whatever, his parents would come
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 4: try to ground him. He'd be like, no, Robert did it.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 4: And so all that negativity going towards this doll for
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 4: his entire life. It's why people believe that it has
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 4: evil to it. It manifested this evil.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: Just imagine being outside your child's room and you hear
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: your kid talking and then you hear someone responding.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 4: Like an old man.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: Just like a low voice.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 4: No, that's not what we're going to do, Billy. I
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 4: would cry.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: And then you open up the door and it's just
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 3: the doll sitting there with your kid.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 4: And it looks like that?
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a dead face doll too. There's something creepy
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: about the lack of expression that doll has.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 4: For real. And the crazy thing too is like our
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 4: guides there were saying that it will like swallow every
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 4: once in a while. You could see it blink and stuff.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 4: Messed up.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: What's crazy is like this same guy, he went off
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: to be an artist and he did his whole career.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: And when he was like in his older age, he
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: came back to the house and for like 10 or
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: 15 years, he kept this doll upstairs in his attic
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: and put a whole like, you know, three foot version
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: of his house upstairs. So like a short couch and
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: a short desk, all for Robert. And go up there
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: and have conversations for hours and hours on end. So
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: this old man is having this conversation with the doll
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: in a, like a smaller version of a living room. So,
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: so terrifying.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: As rumor would have it, the Ottos and their servants
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: would often hear Gene in his bedroom, having conversations with
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: himself in two entirely different voices. Furthermore, the Ottos would
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: wake up in the middle of the night to Gene screaming,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: only to find the frightened boy in bed surrounded by
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: overturned furniture. Gene would blame Robert the doll for messing
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: up the bedroom, while Robert would glare at Gene from
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: the foot of the bed. Soon after mutilated toys and
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 3: mysterious happening, would appear in the home, only to have
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 3: Gene proclaim each time, Robert did it. Here's the thing.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: Imagine if that's real.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: Like, what if, like, a demon can manifest itself inside
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: of a doll occasionally? Just every now and then, a
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: little fucking opening in the dimensions pops out, and this thing...
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: manages to in it can't assume a physical form, but
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: it can sort of Embody itself in some sort of
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: an object like a doll something cute Yeah Which.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: Is so terrifying too because you know when it's a
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: little doll or something cute or whatever Like a lot
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: of these things that you say is like a little
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: girl spirit or something. It's like cute It's like oh,
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: it's innocent like I want to open up to that
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: but then boom and Like, maybe it's not.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why Chucky was such a fucking great movie.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 3: You know, to have that thing.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, this doll, I think, is what's said
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: to have been inspired.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 4: It did.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: Or, like, Chucky inspired, got inspired from.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: And the Annabelle movie is about a real doll, too?
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: So that's a real doll that's in Ed and Lorraine
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: Warren's museum that they've kept up. away for many years.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: They even have a priest once a day come and
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: bless the doll because they're scared of what it does
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: to people.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: One time every day?
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: I think every single day.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: Maybe the priest, he's got a racket going on. Listen,
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: I've got to keep coming back. Can we see Annabelle
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: the doll, what it really looks like? The real haunted
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: Annabelle doll?
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: It looks like a rag doll. It's the same thing, right?
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 4: So that's it? Yeah, I think that's it.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: Well, that's not nearly as creepy as Annabelle in the movie.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: That seems pretty normal. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: And so they made it terrifying.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: Annabelle in the movie is fucking horrible looking.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: The real Annabelle doll. Now look at Annabelle in the movie.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, Annabelle in the movie is so terrifying.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: So they did a great job in making her creepier.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: Very much so.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 4: Very good job.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: There's a few of those Annabelle movies, right?
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 6: If they made the whole movie with that thing, that
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 6: would be creepy too.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, my. Nah.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 4: It would have been weird.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be scared of that bitch-ass raggedy Ann. Go
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: say that to her face. I'd be like, sit down.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: Shut up before I light you on fire.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 6: I thought about Chuckie.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Annabelle, the one on the left, freaks me out.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's freaky.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: When we were by Robert the Doll, just to finish
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: that story, so we all split up, like Colby's saying. Recently,
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: we've been splitting up a lot.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: To scare each other more, right?
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: Just to scare each other more, you know? Part of
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: the museum, so the entire museum is kind of like
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: Zach Bain's museum. It has a bunch of different artifacts,
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: and it was a fort, actually, for a war.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: What museum is this?
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: It's called Fort East Martello, and it's mainly just filled
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of haunted objects.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: And where's that at?
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 4: It's in the Keys.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: Florida Keys?
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: Key West. So there's a section of this fort that
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: used to store all the bodies that had died during
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: whatever said war it was. And I was walking down
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: through this corridor and we were there for probably like
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: 30 minutes or something like that. Definitely hearing sounds, a
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: lot of like weird, creepy things. Again, sometimes the equipment
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: goes off and that's definitely interesting. It was definitely putting
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: me on edge, but I had a feeling that I'd
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: never gotten before. And out of actually like nowhere, I hadn't,
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: I hadn't like felt nauseous or anything like that. Out
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: of nowhere, I just turned the corner and I'm looking
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: down this hallway and I just immediately start dry heaving. Like,
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Gagging throwing up or whatever like that and
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: I've just like it wasn't even For I don't know.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: I wasn't even thinking about the video. I just immediately
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: left the area I didn't think about it and I
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: walk outside and the guys the the tour guide or
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: whatever is on the outside of the premise and he's
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: like Sees me and he's like dude your fuck your
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 1: face is white like what what went on as I
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: truly don't know I've never had a reaction like nauseousness
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: or anything like that and I genuine just like out
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: of nowhere gagged probably like ten times.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 4: And Dry heaved.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 3: Nothing came up.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 4: It was just like weirdly dry heaving.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 4: It was like disgusting. But what was scary is like,
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 4: so it was me and my buddy Nate that who
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 4: we know since high school, like he's been one of
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 4: our best friends forever. So we've known Sam since he
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 4: was 15 type thing. We've both never seen Sam ever
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 4: act like that. It got so bad that Nate and
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 4: I were doing like our own like individual investigations and
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 4: the guide came and got me and was just like, yo,
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 4: you should go check on your buddy outside. Like he's
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 4: like throwing up outside. And I run out there and, yeah,
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 4: what people don't, like, always forget about is it doesn't
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 4: just affect us in the moment, but we get done
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 4: filming and we have these things called paranormal hangovers where
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 4: it affects us for a long time, like days after.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 4: But this is, yeah, the moment.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: Paranormal hangovers.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 4: Paranormal hangover.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 3: The world's most haunted doll.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 4: He's just gagging.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: So this is after being in Robert's presence?
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the end of the night.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: How close were you to Robert?
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: So they unfortunately wouldn't let us touch it.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately. Unfortunately. Not unfortunately.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: Probably fortunately. They put like a plexiglass, yeah, right there.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: It's probably about a two and a half foot.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 3: So he's behind that glass.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 3: And this is all in the keys. Is that place
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: as cool as Zach's museum?
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: I would say that specific doll is super, super famous,
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: but Zach has definitely put on a cooler environment.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: Zach has way more.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 4: Way more.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 3: Like hundreds of more things. Two hours of. Stuff that
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 3: you walk through in a house. It's pretty impressive, but
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 3: this seems pretty creepy too.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to see this place too. It's super awesome.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 3: Did you say it used to be a fort? Yeah.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 3: It looks like a fort. It looks pretty dope. And
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 3: so you encounter Robert and then you start, what is
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: the feeling? Was it immediate?
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: No. So I left Robert and I went off my own.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: And that was probably 30 minutes from the time I
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: was even near Robert to the other area. So we
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: don't know. But the theory goes afterwards we talk to
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: the tour guide and be like, what could have that been?
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 3: Was that Robert? And he's like, maybe.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: But the people that were buried there in the corridor
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: died of yellow fever. Or most of them did. And
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: the last little part of yellow fever is like you're
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: throwing up blood. Over and over and over again. Black
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: blood and gold or whatever like that.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: And then you die. So like you're experiencing their last moments.
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So like the traumatic energy of the last breaths
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: and the last times of all these people's lives was
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: then reflected onto me.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 3: That might even be more fucked than Robert.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: I definitely think so. Because the yell fever... If you
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: dive into that, it's gruesome.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 3: I was telling you about my stepdad having that experience
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: at Gettysburg. I would imagine that if enough people will
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 3: die in an area, if that's real, if things can
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 3: have a memory, you would think that there would be
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 3: something that just lingers on. The last moments of your life,
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 3: you're throwing up blood and you're realizing this is the end.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 3: You're in agony.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 4: And you don't want to leave. That's the thing. If
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 4: your last moment of life is like, I don't want
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 4: to die, then what if you accidentally like trap yourself?
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 3: If you can't relax and say, I'm ready, I'm ready
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 3: to go.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: You're not ready for the next part.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 4: It gets so meta and confusing. Cause then, yeah, you,
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 4: it's like, if you're religious, it's like, well, you would
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 4: go to heaven, but it's like, how do you know?
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 4: Like spirits don't have the, the opportunity to walk around
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 4: earth for a little bit before they move on to
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 4: the light. I don't know. I'd be God if I knew.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's like a consciousness to being a spirit. And
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 3: maybe you got to get your shit together as a
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 3: spirit before they let you go on. And maybe some
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: spirits are just losers and they just can't, they just
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 3: can't figure it out.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: There's no promotion involved. Did you, what did it feel
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: like to look at Robert? Um, that was really weird.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: Cause we, when we came into the museum, they had
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: it covered. So they had like a cloth over it
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: and they offered us like, do you want to see it?
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: And we're like, no, we want to wait till we're
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: on camera first. And, You know, again, back to this
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: hype up, we had been researching this for the last
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: like week. We'd heard all the horror stories. We just
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: heard about the 10,000 apology letters and they even had
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: us like read some of them. And then we get
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: to look at it. It was like definitely like we
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be here. It wasn't like I didn't think immediately
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: we were in danger. However, you know, our dumb ass
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: is trying to get content. We immediately were like, all right,
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: as soon as we see him, let's take a picture
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: of him. And that's the one thing that you're not
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: supposed to do.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 4: Disrespect or take pictures. Disrespectful.
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: Our entire concept of the video was like, you know,
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: you hear that if you take a picture of this doll,
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: you're going to get cursed. Let's test that theory. We
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: didn't know. And so we were like, all right, as
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: soon as we see this doll, let's take a picture.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: And then throughout the night, we'll see what happens. There
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: definitely was things that have happened. But the main gist
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: of it was like, do we feel cursed after we
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: took this picture?
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: It's so easy for someone to dismiss that, right? But
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 3: if there was just one doll. One doll that was haunted.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 3: All the other dolls are fine. Dolls are fine. What's
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 3: wrong with you? Come on, Sam. Dolls are normal.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 3: But then one fucking doll, just one doll, you look
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 3: at that doll and there's something inside of that doll.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: Oof. Yeah, you see it wink and how do you
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: explain that to somebody? You're crazy.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 3: Everybody else looks away and it just goes like this. Oh, God.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 3: Or you see it go.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You see it swallow. Then you're the crazy one.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: Did you guys ever go to the Amityville Horror House?
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 4: They don't let you in there. We've been trying to
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 4: contact the owners for like years. Really? Yeah.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: If they're going to invite, let's do it.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 3: Do people live in that house?
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 4: I think so. I think it's just not even a business.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 4: It's just people live there and are like, fuck off.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the places that they changed
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: the address in the street so that people can find it.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, but it's very like recognizable because of the window pattern.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: The way the windows look. That movie scared the shit
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: out of me.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 4: Same.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 3: When I was a kid. How much of that is
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: like the movie is based on the truth or is
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: it just made up? Remember like he broke through the
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: wall and he went into the other side and there was, like,
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: a demon behind the wall or some shit? I saw
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: that movie when I was, like, 10 years old.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a long time ago.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 3: It's a very vague recollection. How old is that movie,
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: Amityville Horror?
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 5: Let's see, book 77, movie 79.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I was like 12. Wow, quick after the movies.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 3: The murder's rather like, we need a fucking movie. This
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 3: is a sick story.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 4: Let's go.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: Capitalize on it.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, they really capitalized pretty quick.
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 4: They did.
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I remember is the murder part of it.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't remember if there was alleged demons during the
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: real life version.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like a normal guy and then he
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 3: lived in this house and killed his whole family, right?
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 3: And then there was a thing you broke through the wall.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 3: I remember, see if you can find the scene There's, like,
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 3: a scene where he breaks through the wall. And I
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 3: remember that freaking me out as a 12-year-old.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 4: Going, bah!
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 3: Like, this idea of, like, you know, your dad breaking
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: through this hole in the wall.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, God.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: What's it with the axes, you know? Apparently every murderers
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: just do axes.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: Well, it's just a scary way to die, man.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 6: Oh, that is a scary way to die.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson in The Shining. Yeah, literally. Oh, speaking of
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 3: The Shining. Wendy, I'm home.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been to the Stanley Hotel?
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: No, I have not. Dude.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 4: That's our most viewed video.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: Magnificent hotel.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh my God. So the Stanley was the inspiration
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: for The Shining, right?
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 3: And is that the upstate New York hotel or is
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 3: it the Colorado?
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: Colorado.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 3: That's all Colorado.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 4: It's in Estes Park, which created the Estes method that
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 4: we were just telling you about.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 3: Which is the experience.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So one of our episodes, we went to the
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: Stanley Hotel and interviewed the guy that created that. experiment
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: for the paranormal but the stanley hotel is pretty widely
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: known as the most haunted place in the united states like.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: Hotel wise hotel wise yeah what did you guys.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 1: Experience there that was one of our first experiences ever
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 1: i think that.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 4: Was like this before we had equipment really before.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: We had equipment that that video is our most viewed
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: video of we i think it was right after our
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: like arrest and it wasn't like we got crazy equipment
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: type of things but we heard what like scratching sounds
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: and like different knocks on like doors and stuff. And
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: I think even our, one of our cameras like flipped
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: over or something, but that was four years ago or
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: five years ago.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 4: Well, what's interesting about the Stanley is there's this part
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 4: that's literally in the front room, um, called the vortex
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 4: where there's just a bunch of mirrors on each side
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 4: that are pointed towards each other. And the theory is
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 4: in the paranormal world that that can like create a
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 4: portal mirrors facing each other or like spirits can become
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 4: trapped through mirrors and stuff. Um, And so that was, like,
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 4: the coolest part of the entire place. It's known to
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 4: be a Disneyland resort for ghosts. And so anything could, like,
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 4: pass in there. It's like a giant portal.
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: There's one of the most famous paranormal pictures ever taken
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: at the Stanley. If you just type in, like, Stanley Hotel, like,
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 1: ghost photo, this is all over the news.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 4: Like, staircase ghost or something.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: Staircase ghost is huge. But, yeah, we just went recently
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: back to... this last year, we still haven't been able
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: to get to the main room, which was what The
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: Shining was inspired by.
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  Speaker 4: It was back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, go to.
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  Speaker 6: This one was right then.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that one.
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  Speaker 4: There it is. Yeah, that one. What am I looking at?
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: That guy. And then if you scroll down a little bit,
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: there's a second picture of it right there.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, no, no, no.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: Sorry, go to back the first one. That one, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then scroll down, that middle one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right where the house is.
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  Speaker 4: Up a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Boom, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All the people in there. And then right there.
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  Speaker 4: See, right on the stairs.
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  Speaker 1: That one hit the news because there's so many people
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: that were right there and then for some reason.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a little girl it looks like.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 3: Hmm. But everything's blurry. Look, that lady coming down the
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: stairs is blurry.
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  Speaker 6: There's a little bit of movement.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever in front of her is blurry.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 3: That picture sucks. That kid's a ghost. That kid talking
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 3: to his mom's a ghost. She's a ghost. Everybody's a
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 3: fucking ghost. That picture sucks. Go back to the first one.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 4: That's a good point.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that picture sucks. But that one's weird. So what
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 3: is happening in this one?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's supposed to just resemble the same area
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: two times in a row having like a translucent figure. Again,
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: pictures are always hit or miss, and there's a lot
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: of times that people will be like, oh, like an
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: orb or something.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 3: Bro, there are a million phony Bigfoot pictures. They call
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 3: them blob squatches. People just see shadows like, look, you
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 3: can see a face, and here's his armpit. Because people
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 3: want to see things in still photos.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: And there's some psychology behind we're always searching for faces.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: So we'll figure out a face on anything.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 3: Sure, on Mars, yeah. Yeah, people find faces and shadows
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 3: on planets. You ever see the face on Mars?
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 4: No. I see the face on the moon, but not
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 4: on Mars.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a guy named Hoagland, Richard Hoagland.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, shit.
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's kind of terrifying.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but what it really is is just shadows on
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 3: a piece of rock.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 3: It's just in one image, though, and I feel like
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 3: this was– one of the very early explorations of Mars. Sidonia,
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 3: Viking 1. So in Sidonia, there was this guy, though,
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 3: that was... See, that guy's still alive, Hoagland. I think
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 3: his name is Richard Hoagland. But he would milk this
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 3: for all it's worth, and he made a series of
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 3: videos talking about the geometry that you could find in
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 3: Sidonia is impossible. To create in nature and this only
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 3: means there has to have been an advanced civilization that
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 3: existed on Mars and the government's hiding this from us.
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 3: It was one of those things.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 4: And of course.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 3: He seemed at least a little out of his fucking mind. Yeah.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 3: But when you smoke a lot of pot and watch documentaries.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 3: Those are ones that will get you. And his one
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 3: got me a couple of times. I was like, is
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: this guy right? Because, like, I'm one of those people, like,
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 3: I was convinced that the original Bigfoot footage, do you
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 3: ever see the Patterson Bigfoot footage? No. It's so fake.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: We'll show you that in a minute. It's so fake.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 3: But I remember one time being barbecued, looking at that,
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 3: thinking it was real. I was like, maybe it's real. Oh,
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 3: my God, maybe I'm an asshole. Maybe I've been mocking
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot this whole time, but it's real.
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 4: It's coming after you next. Oh, what?
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 6: This is stabilized. People have worked on it, so you
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 6: know that.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 3: They stabilized the image, because the real image, the guy
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 3: was on a horse. And by the way, the guy
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 3: was a con man. All these kooks that want to
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 3: believe this, There's a whole series of things that go
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 3: to it. First of all, the guy who took this
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 3: footage was arrested for fraud, for not paying for the
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 3: very camera that he used to film this footage. Then
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 3: there's a guy who looks just like, you can see
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 3: the thing, that's the stabilized version of it. The real
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 3: version of it. That's the dude though. What is the
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 3: dude's name?
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 6: Bob Hieronymus?
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Bob Hieronymus. Bob Hieronymus is this guy who claims
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 3: that it was him in the suit, and that's him.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 3: He walks like Bigfoot, and he's a big giant dude too,
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 3: big old cowboy. And not only that, there was an
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 3: actual gorilla suit that this guy, Patterson, had bought. There
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 3: was a person who sold him a gorilla suit, and
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 3: then there was another guy named Gimlin, Bob Gimlin, I believe.
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 3: Gimlit or Gimlin, who was also involved in this, who
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 3: also said that it was a hoax.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 1: There's no saving that footage.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 3: It's horseshit. But if you believe enough, if you get loony,
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 3: and one time I got loony for like five minutes.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 3: I thought it was real. I was like, I think
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 3: it might be real.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: We've taken a lot of pictures. And again, like we said,
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're really on that wave of like
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 1: believing that I'm going to just video the corner and
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 1: there's going to be someone there. There's one time that
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 1: we ever got something that was convincing of us being like,
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 1: maybe this is something. When our first time at the
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: Conjuring house. If you just type in Sam and Colby
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: conjuring thermal photo.
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 4: Coolest thing we've ever captured. Hands down.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 3: For pictures, yeah.
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 1: So our buddy was pointing down a thermal camera and
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: you can take a picture of it and through this
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: gap she sees, there's a window at the end of
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: the hall, she sees a face. She was a medium
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: by the way. Yeah, she sees a face herself but
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: then she's like, no, I see something on the camera too.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 1: Click the photo and then She shows us this picture.
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 1: And to us, okay, so the left side of the
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 1: screen doesn't, like, that's not part of it. That's, like,
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: a different video.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's only on the right.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 1: But, like, that right side is apparently, like, what we
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 1: think is, like, a child's face with, you can see
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 1: a hair swoop. His nose, mouth. Eyes, nose, two eyes, mouth.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 4: Looks like it's, like, our haircut.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 1: The corner of your shoulder right there as well.
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 3: Or it could be a squash face. Or it could
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 3: be a deer heart. It could be a lot of things.
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 6: Sort of a thermal resonance, though.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 6: Of some sort.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 4: Right. It was in a window. And we were inside,
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 4: so don't, like, ignore the thing on the left. We
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 4: were inside pointing at a window.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 3: You were inside pointing at a window, and this is something.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 4: And something peeking.
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 1: On the second floor, too. So it's not someone that's
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: just a kid looking in.
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 3: I thought ghosts were supposed to be cold.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 4: That's interesting. I don't know, actually.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't you imagine that ghosts were cold? Like, if you're
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 3: in a room, you'd be like, oh, something cold just
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 3: walked past me.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 3: That's a good point.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: Go either way. Like, is a pocket of energy always
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: going to be cold?
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 3: Right. Maybe it's a demon. Maybe it's not a ghost.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe demons are hot. Coming from hell, right?
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 4: That would make sense.
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 3: How long do you guys think you could do this?
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 3: Do you think you just keep going to all these
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 3: little haunted spots all over the world and keep doing this? Or, like,
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 3: Have you thought about it?
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the thing is we've just scratched the surface.
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 4: We've been doing this for four years, but we've been
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 4: international twice to do Haunted. Only twice. Imagine all the
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 4: countries we haven't been to just to explore these places.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 4: So we could essentially, if we really wanted to do
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 4: this for a very, very long time... But who knows?
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 4: We're taking it year by year.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: Our plan right now, like, obviously we love the haunted stuff,
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: and there's endless amount of spots. And there's always more
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 1: interesting things we can do and experiments we can get
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 1: into or more alone investigations.
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 3: Well, also, it's wildly successful. I mean, you guys have
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 3: millions of followers on YouTube. Your videos are massive. So
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 3: it's like you're– it's obviously working. Thank you. So, like,
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 3: if you wanted to do something else, it would be
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 3: really risky.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, we also just want to kind of make
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 4: our haunted– empire I guess you could say like into
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 4: like a bigger thing like we're we've been in talks
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 4: of maybe creating our own haunted house in the future
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 4: like an IRL haunted house or like side businesses like
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 4: that we're getting into.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: Other parts of the mystery stuff so like we love
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: You know, we love The Haunted, but there's so many
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 1: other avenues of mystery that are so easily talked about.
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: Like what other stuff are you guys interested in? Like
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 1: true crime, like all these unsolved mysteries are so interesting.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 4: We loved the Villisca, like shooting that video because Sam
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 4: and I went like super hard with the research and
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 4: we like fell in love with that process of telling
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 4: the story. And so why not create like a story
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 4: time true crime channel?
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 3: That's almost more fucked up to me because those are
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 3: real stories that 100% people were killed by other people.
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 3: And it's just like, oh, you have to sit with that.
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely harsh. That and conspiracy theories and all
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 1: these other things. There's millions of things in this mystery
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: realm that aren't just haunted, which is exciting to us,
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: as well as, like you said, other business ventures and
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 1: part of it. But again, most of this recently has
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 1: been much more about other people's experiences rather than just ours.
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 1: So the majority of our content is taking other influencers
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 1: or other people like that, maybe even sometimes they don't
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 1: even believe, and giving them experience that will change the
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 1: way they think. We started out with our friends, like
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 1: you said, like our hometown friends, and that was great
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: and all, but now we love taking people that may
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 1: not even believe or maybe be on the fence. They're
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 1: interested in this stuff, but then when they see these things,
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: like two or three times this last year, we took
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: someone that, had never had an experience before, and they
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 1: come on an adventure with us, and they see us
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 1: like a full-on shadow figure.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 4: Like more than us.
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 1: More than us, and their lives are changed. They're sitting
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 1: there crying in front of us.
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 4: When she got scratched, we went to the Washoe Club,
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 4: which was kind of funny. It was like literally what
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 4: created Zach Bagans, like in his ghost adventures and stuff.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 4: So we went to go investigate, and we brought like
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 4: a YouTube friend there, and we were just like, did
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 4: you scratch yourself on the back? And it was like
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 4: in the dead center of her back, almost to where
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 4: it looked like it was bleeding, to be honest. And
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 4: she started freaking out. And, of course, it wasn't her.
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 4: And this is like a guess.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 3: This is not us.
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 4: Like if you don't, viewers out there, don't believe us
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 4: because we do it all the time. It's like believe
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 4: the guess that we have on at least.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 1: And this one guy we had on was like a
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 1: complete skeptic. He's like, there's no way any of this
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 1: is real. At like three-fourths through the night, he's.
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 3: Like, come over here. Come over right now.
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing someone right in front of my eyes. Like
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 1: I see a shadow figure. And he's freaking out. He's like,
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 1: I want to get out. I want to walk away.
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: I do not want to be in this building anymore.
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 1: This is freaking me out. He's a nonbeliever. And those
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 1: are those circumstances that we're like, okay, see, this is
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 1: why we bring other people on here. Because it's like,
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 1: it's not just us saying this. It's not just us
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 1: having these experiences.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 3: It's anybody. That's what freaks me out. I wonder how
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 3: much you can mind fuck yourself and whether or not
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 3: that's how you can see things. Like not saying that
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 3: they're not real, but like if you can mind fuck
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 3: yourself into a place of real fear.
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 3: And that maybe that opens up doors.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 1: For sure. But it's also more interesting when you want
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 1: things to happen because at the end of the day,
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 1: like the reason why we do this is because if
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 1: we were to prove on either way, we'd rather prove
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 1: that it's real because that means there's something else out there.
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 3: Also, it's way more fun. And it's more fun.
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, how many stories are you going to
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 1: tell at 3 a.m. with your friends that you're like, yeah,
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 1: this isn't real.
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 3: Let's go to sleep.
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 1: Or if it is real. all these other things it's
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 1: so much interesting and so much more of a bonding
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 1: experience with your friends when you do capture things and
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 1: we are open to these things to.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 3: Happen if it turns out ozzy got parkinson's just because
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 3: he's like a 71 year old dude who did a
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 3: ton of coke it's not a fun story most likely
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 3: it's way more exciting yeah the doll got him exactly
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 3: 100% it's way more exciting for sure Well, listen, gentlemen,
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 3: it's been really fun talking to you. I really enjoyed this. Likewise.
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 3: And congratulations on all your success. Thank you. And don't
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 3: get killed by any demons or ghosts.
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 4: We'll try not.
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 3: And if anything crazy happens, let me know. We'll come
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 3: back and do it again. Sounds good. Thanks for having
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 3: us on. Thank you so much. My pleasure. Thank you.
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 4: Bye, everybody. Bye.