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The Holy Face Devotion That Will Last Until the End of Time | Father Carney · Arena Ablaze Podcast

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  Welcome into the arena.
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  This is the Arena Blaze podcast, where our
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  goal is to inspire men to join us
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  in passing through the Gate of Mary and
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  being found worthy to wield the most powerful
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  sword the world will ever know in a
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  spiritual battle that rages all around us, the
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  Holy Face of Jesus.
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  I am your willing host Marco Sandoval.
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  Today we'll be having a conversation with Father
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  Carney, the priest walking the streets of Wichita,
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  Kansas, and who preaches devotion to the Holy
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  Face, Jesus.
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  But first, before we get started, if you
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  find value in this conversation, please like and
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  Also, please leave us comments and suggestions.
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  We appreciate any feedback we get, so we
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  can take the conversations in a direction that's
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  most beneficial.
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  Our true algorithm is the Holy Spirit, and
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  let's begin by renewing our total consecration to
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  Jesus through Mary, that we may do everything
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  with, in, through, and for Mary as her
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  instrument, so that she can lead us to
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  more perfectly do everything with, in, through, and
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  for Jesus.
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  I, Marco Sandoval, a repentant sinner, renew and
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  ratify today in your hands, O Immaculate Mother,
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  the vows of my baptism.
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  I renounce Satan and resolve to follow Jesus
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  Christ even more closely than before.
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  Mary, I give you my heart.
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  Please set it on fire with love for
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  Jesus.
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  Make it always attentive to his burning thirst
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  for love and for souls.
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  Keep my heart in your most pure heart,
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  that I may love Jesus and the members
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  of his body with your own perfect love.
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  Mary, I entrust myself totally to you, my
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  body and soul, my goods, both interior and
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  exterior, and even the value of all my
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  good actions.
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  Please make of me, of all that I
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  am and have, whatever most pleases you.
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  Let me be a fit instrument in your
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  immaculate and merciful hands for bringing the greatest
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  possible glory to God.
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  If I fall, please lead me back to
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  Jesus.
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  Wash me in the blood and water that
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  flow from his pure side, and help me
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  never to lose my trust in this fountain
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  of love and mercy.
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  With you, O Immaculate Mother, you who always
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  do the will of God, I unite myself
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  to the perfect consecration of Jesus as he
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  offers himself in the Spirit to the Father
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  for the life of the world.
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  Amen.
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  Okay, so today we're joined by Father Carney.
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  He'll be going over the manual of the
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  Archon Fraternity of the Holy Face.
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  This will be the third installment walking through
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  the manual.
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  So I'll turn it over to Father Carney.
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  Yeah, so we've covered the beginning of the
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  manual, and we're on page four, and we
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  just went over last time about the Archbishop
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  giving his blessing to, well I guess it
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  was earlier, oh yeah, the approbation of the
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  Archbishop.
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  So today we're going to talk about how
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  the devotion to Holy Face reached the Holy
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  Father for the first time in 1884.
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  That would be Pope Leo XIII.
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  So they petitioned his holiness to see if
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  this group in Tours could have some indulgences.
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  And so it was pretty much protocol and
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  canon law back then to do it like
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  this.
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  And so members that joined got a plenary
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  indulgence on the day they joined, and then
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  members that were already in it got a
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  plenary indulgence when they died.
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  Now, a plenary indulgence, that means full remission
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  from punishment.
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  So if someone dies in the state of
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  grace and they have a plenary indulgence, that
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  means they don't go to purgatory.
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  So popes would decorate devotions and confraternities so
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  that people would join them, so that they
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  could have that benefit of not having to
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  go to purgatory.
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  Also, his holiness made the Feast of St.
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  Peter an indulgence for the arch confraternity, for
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  the members, plenary indulgence.
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  And then he had some other small indulgences
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  granted, and this all happened on the 9th
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  of December 1884.
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  So we'll find out there's going to be
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  a few more briefs like that in the
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  future, and eventually it's going to lead to
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  erecting this confraternity at the time in 1884
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  to an arch confraternity.
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  And so it's very powerful that the Holy
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  Father got involved in this, and so this
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  devotion, the arch confraternity of the Holy Faith,
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  is not a private devotion, it is a
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  public devotion.
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  And so stay tuned for future episodes where
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  we'll discuss how it got elevated through a
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  few steps before that point.
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  And so that's all for now.
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  So I'm curious just about confraternities in general.
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  I think people may be not familiar with
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  that terminology.
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  Could you kind of explain what a confraternity
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  is?
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  Sure.
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  So Catholics have a right to unite and
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  form Catholic groups.
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  We call them pious associations of the faithful.
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  That doesn't mean the people are holy, that
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  just means the people are trying to do
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  things that are pious, pray, make reparation.
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  And so the highest form of gatherings are
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  first-order religious, so those are priests that
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  have a rule of life and constitutions.
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  A second order are nuns or sisters.
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  And then a third order are lay people,
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  and priests that are not religious can join
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  those groups.
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  And so an arch confraternity would be considered
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  a fourth, but there is no such thing
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  as a fourth, but it would be like
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  the fourth level in canon law of how
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  people can unite under a certain constitution, certain
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  banner.
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  So that's basically what an arch confraternity is.
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  And the way that the arch confraternity of
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  the Holy Faith is set up is that
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  confraternities can be started in the diocese by
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  the Bishop of the Holy Faith, and they
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  can become aggregated to the arch confraternity, and
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  that is underneath the Archbishop of Tours jurisdiction.
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  And so he assigns a priest who's the
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  director of the arch confraternity who works on
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  these instruments in canon law to unite them.
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  And so there's a lot of specifics that
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  I can't get into about indulgences and how
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  all that mechanics works.
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  So that's what a confraternity is.
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  In general, do you know about how many
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  confraternities there are?
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  I know there's a confraternity to the Rosary,
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  which is also kind of a part of,
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  you're encouraged to join the confraternity of the
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  Rosary as part of this.
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  And then do we have any idea how
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  many confraternities of the Holy Faith there are
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  spread out that are under the umbrella of
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  Tours, or how many are in the United
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  States at least?
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  Yeah, in the United States there's roughly between
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  100 and 200.
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  A lot of them are not active.
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  There might be five active out of all
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  those.
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  Around the world I would say there's somewhere
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  between 500 and 1,000.
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  I looked at the records back in 2024
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  and I can't remember the details, but that
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  gives you kind of an idea of that.
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  Okay, and you mentioned indulgence.
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  I think that's something out there that people
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  that aren't Catholic aren't super familiar with, and
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  sometimes I feel like there's a, oh there's
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  a maybe some bad energy around that in
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  the Protestant world.
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  So could you just like kind of give
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  a little short brief on what an indulgence
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  is?
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  So an indulgence means that the suffering of
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  Jesus Christ and all his merits of redemption
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  can be applied to certain souls specifically, and
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  the Church has the power to do that.
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  And so the reason why it gets a
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  bad name is because Martin Luther, the first
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  Protestant, brought it up as a bone to
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  pick, and he really violated the truth of
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  the matter of indulgences.
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  So there is a purgatory, and there are
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  times when our Lord talks about there's serious
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  sin and not such serious sin, and so
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  with mortal sin we know that if someone
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  dies in mortal sin they will go to
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  hell.
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  But if someone dies with venial sin that
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  hasn't had the satisfaction necessary to make up
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  for it, then they have to go to
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  purgatory.
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  So what does satisfaction mean?
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  I use the analogy of a boy who
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  hits a baseball into the window of a
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  neighbor, and he goes up to the neighbors
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  and knocks and says, I busted your window
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  and I'm sorry.
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  Well the neighbor can say, yeah I forgive
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  you but you still owe me $100, and
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  so the boy needs to go and make
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  $100 to satisfy his offense, even though he's
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  been given forgiveness.
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  That's what happens when Jesus forgives us when
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  we are sorry for our sins.
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  There's still payment that needs to be done,
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  and the payment isn't from so much from
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  us, but it's from the redemption of Jesus
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  Christ.
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  And so we give a little bit into
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  that and then Jesus pays the rest for
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  us, basically.
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  Yeah, it's a pretty wonderful thing.
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  The last thing I'm curious about, Pope Leo
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  XIII.
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  I've been doing quite a bit of research
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  and study on other matters, and it's striking
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  to me how often Pope Leo XIII continues
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  to come up in all these various different
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  things.
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  I've been reading a lot about basically the
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  Catholic state or the Christian state, and Pope
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  Leo XIII figures so predominantly in that.
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  So just a word about Pope Leo XIII
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  and who he was and how important he
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  was to the Church at the turn of
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  the century.
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  He was right at the 18 to 1900s.
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  Yeah, he was one of the longest reigning
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  Popes for decades.
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  He was the Pope.
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  He was the first man to be caught
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  on motion film, so that might be interesting
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  to filmmakers.
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  And he was also the Pope of the
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  Rosary.
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  He wrote around a dozen encyclicals on the
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  Rosary.
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  So he's also the Pope that elevated the
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  confraternity, the Holy Face, to an arch confraternity.
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  And so he stamped his seal of approval,
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  which we'll talk about later in other episodes,
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  to the devotion to the Holy Face, which
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  I spread all over the world.
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  So Pope Leo XIII, I think, is a
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  great Pope, and I hope someday that he'll
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  get canonized.
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  Yeah, that's one thing that struck me in
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  reading about this devotion is like it took
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  a long time to get recognized, and then
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  once it was recognized, it went from confraternity
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  to arch confraternity relatively quickly under Pope Leo
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  XIII.
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  Yeah, they asked Pope Leo XIII if he
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  would consider making an arch confraternity, and it
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  should have taken about a decade, but he
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  elevated it at an instant.
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  And so an arch confraternity elevated by a
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  Pope means that it will exist until the
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  end of time, so there's no destroying this.
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  All right, very good.
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  Until next time.
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  Great.
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  All right.