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EDP48: Indoors Season kicks off - Results & Previews · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast, to the
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  perhaps more familiar, more familiar sound of my voice,
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  Ryan. And I'm joined as always by the
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  other two fellas, Dean and Owen. So, Dean, how are you doing
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  Sunday evening? Goodbye night fare and well
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  excited to to chat to you guys. Yeah.
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  How are you? What's been going on with the
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  weather the past couple of days? Because I mean, conscious not to
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  complain about the 25 and 26° days, but there's noticeably
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  cooler than it may have been next week even.
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  Yeah, I think there's been a lot of comments just generally about
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  it being pretty mild. Guys, get a grip.
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  Oh my God. I haven't introduced you yet,
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  but yeah, that hasn't got hot yet, I think.
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  I think there might be some warm days ahead, is what I'm saying.
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  Like, summer's going to hit like, just like the Irish summer
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  element, you know, piping hot. It's funny, last week when I was
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  1, the evenings I was in Melbourne was in this bar and
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  maybe it had been 23° in the day.
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  So obviously not like hot. And then the evening like
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  temperatures kind of drop quickly once the sun goes away
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  anyway, don't they? So I had, I had a hoodie on and
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  there's this Victorian lad there and he was asking where I was
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  from. I was explaining an 11 path and
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  then he started taking the piss out and me like, oh, you soft WA
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  blokes, like don't be pretending like you're cold.
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  Get that hoodie off. You don't really need that
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  hoodie. It's different over there.
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  It's like Four Seasons in a day in Melbourne.
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  We're not used to it. So that's right.
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  It has been uncharacteristically cool.
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  It's like got down to 20°, might even be 19 at the minute
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  freezing on. On them blood thinners over
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  here. But yeah Owen, how you doing?
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  How you surviving mid January? Yeah, heating on wrapped in a
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  blanket, finished my long run and warm cup of tea beside me
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  trying to keep me warm. Nah, look, I can't complain,
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  it's not the worst. This morning I woke up, it was
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  like 4° feels like 1. So at least we're not in the in
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  the minuses anymore. But like the mornings are
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  getting a slight bit brighter. So it won't be too long until I
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  won't have to wear the head torch in the mornings in the
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  evenings. Will you have a nice English
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  Sunday roast on the menu later on?
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  No, that's fine. That's not really.
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  I don't really go for one of them most Sundays now.
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  What's on my menu? I hardly literally just have
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  like a Turkey steak, some egg, some leaves.
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  I'm trying to cut some weight still, so now I have to still be
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  good. The Armour diet is in full
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  swing. Yeah, 4 weeks till go time.
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  It's good, but I look forward to hearing about your training
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  because Dean, I'll tease you and the and the listeners at the
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  same time, because offline before you joined, he was, he
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  was just telling me about one of his killer sessions during the
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  week. So you'll, you'll enjoy
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  listening to that as we get into the show.
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  Off the back of the race, he's tightening, tightening the
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  screws. Don't run too much of A calorie
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  deficit. We you know.
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  When I say I was wrote off Saturday night, I was so wrote
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  off, Oh my God. Yeah.
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  Yeah, we'll get into it later. All right, good.
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  Well, on that, how how has the week been recovering from
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  Valencia and stuff and how does the the result sit with you now
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  a week later? Yeah, so my quads were like mush
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  until like Wednesday. They sort of came back around.
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  But like the result, like, yeah, it's other than like super happy
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  to say I'm a 29 minute 10K guy. Like obviously after the race,
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  like you see, you came under and 89th and you see like you're so
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  far, like I was only a 9th Irish.
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  So there's still like they're still, so I'm still so not far
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  off. But in my running journey it was
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  a big step. So literally just needed a stage
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  free. That's the thing.
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  Like there's so many more elements I can add to my
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  training. There's so much more, like room
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  for improvement. I just need to keep stuck in the
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  weeks and like, I feel like I can improve more.
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  So yeah, no, I'm really, really happy.
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  And that's why I'm so excited for ARM as well now.
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  Yeah. And you're having fun with it?
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  Yeah, enjoying the week to week. Yeah, loving it.
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  I've sort of settled back in a sort of nice routine, like
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  working the 9:00 to 5:00 and like training around.
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  So yeah, I sort of have a nice balance at the moment.
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  Like that's another thing you have to take into account.
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  Like a lot of them boys that would have beat me, like they're
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  all like full time athletes, like they're not working a nine
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  to five job. So yeah, no, it's good.
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  It's good. Did you see side tangent into
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  YouTube Diaries somewhat. Team Macau done a video about
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  like a Valencia wrap up because there's a couple of them there.
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  And Scott BC was talking after the race.
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  He ran like was it 27404142? Like just a couple of seconds
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  behind Joe Wigfield with the equal British record.
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  And we've seen that Scott BC is been in like good form at the
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  European cross country and stuff, but I wouldn't have known
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  he was in good, good enough form to be he.
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  After the race, he was basically saying, Oh yeah, it was all
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  right, but I'm a little bit disappointed, really.
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  So that says to me he had plans to run that British record and
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  he considers it a bad day because someone else beat him to
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  the line basically. Yeah, I think he was third
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  Brett, I think Wickfield, I think Man Talk might have beaten
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  him as well. But apparently, apparently he
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  was pretty sick. He was, he was wrote off as well
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  leading up to the race so he was just happy to run and he
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  probably held himself but held himself back in the 1st 5K just
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  to see who he was and kicked home.
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  But yes, still like to call that a bad race.
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  He's in good form and I think he'll be running an indoor 5K
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  now pretty soon in America, so it'll be cool to see how he gets
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  on. Yeah, that's what he's saying.
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  He should in hindsight, perhaps gone with he was referring to
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  Ephraim. Good days group.
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  Must have been the group just a little bit ahead of them.
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  And right then how this episode looks.
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  We've got down marathon results. We've got a couple of results
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  starting to come through from the indoor season over in the
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  US. And then we're going to look
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  ahead at some of the races to come next week in the in the
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  indoors because there's races dropping thick and fast and the
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  fields are absolutely star-studded like these guys are
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  getting after it early on in the season.
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  So next week and beyond is going to be unbelievable because I
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  can't believe they've they've put these fields together like
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  so early on in the season. It's very exciting from a fan's
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  point of view. So I wouldn't you want to talk
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  about Doha? Yeah, so this man sort of popped
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  up, that popped up out of nowhere.
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  I think I've seen on Thursday night something about like
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  Tamara Tola. So he won the Olympics in Paris.
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  He was running a marathon in Doha and immediately think it's
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  a cash grab. And the pro there was like
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  €250,000, which is like 400 odd thousand AUD prize money across
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  like all the races. So yeah.
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  And like, Doha wouldn't be renowned for being like a fast
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  race. You presume it's going to be hot
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  and humid, but Tamara Tola ended up winning in 20540.
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  Second was Asafa Boki from Ethiopia in 20555 and third was
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  Boki Durba in a two O 626. I'm on the women's side.
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  Tis Tis gets a Gezig Hanggen from Ethiopia ran 22114, Tisket
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  Germa from Ethiopia around 22233, and Mahuva Tisca from
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  Ethiopia around 2/23/21. So yeah, I've absolutely
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  butchered them names. It looks like an Ethiopian time
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  trial. They're all Ethiopians and but
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  yeah, super fast times as well. So yeah, I don't know what to
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  make for us. You Ryan's done well to allow
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  you to. Shop.
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  That one. But yeah, super fast times for
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  like a January marathon, I don't know.
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  And like, they're definitely well looked after.
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  I think, I think this one typically gets a pretty big
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  Ethiopian contingent, like it's often dominated by Ethiopians as
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  opposed to like traditionally where a lot of them are
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  dominated by Kenyans. But I had a look at the the
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  weather and it seems pretty moderate, which like you say,
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  normally for Doha, you associate it with, you know, desert super
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  hot. Whereas I think today it's like
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  a top of 21, low overnight, low of 11.
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  So not too bad. Which probably explains why
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  there's a few guys running 205. Just on that with half the well,
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  not half the field, all of the podium men and women being
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  Ethiopia like you said. And then on on the results
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  there, we can even see down to 5th and even down to 5th,
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  there's only one non Ethiopian there.
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  Remember last week talking about, well, Cross and Houston
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  half and the marathon results and Ethiopia was absolutely
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  everywhere? So what the hell is going on in
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  this Ethiopian distance scene? Little bit of depth.
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  Just a little bit of depth, not much testing and that's what you
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  get. They're all coming out of the
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  woodwork. Bit of a mad one with Tol as
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  well. Obviously you said he was the he
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  is the reigning Olympic champion from Paris.
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  I was looking before what he's done since then.
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  So later on that year in 2024, he ran New York, finished fourth
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  in two O 8. Last year, his only race was
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  London where he finished fifth in OK.
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  He's ran pretty fast, two O 442, but still finished fifth Olympic
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  champ, perhaps not the greatest result.
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  And then twenty. Well, obviously 2026 the only
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  race he's done is that one. But yeah, he's only he only
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  raced 11 race last year, but he started this year off pretty
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  strongly winning there in two O 5.
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  To be fair, I always find it difficult to kind of follow the
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  a lot of the women's names from Ethiopia and stuff because they
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  know some reason I can just like told her, for example, I have an
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  understanding and some background on him.
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  But then the rest of those guys on the podium and stuff, yeah,
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  there's just there's so many, it's hard to follow.
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  There's just so many and they're all like super fast.
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  Like every week there's a new one just popping up, which,
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  yeah, it's a crazy depth. As we have, it's almost like if
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  you're not as a male running like 201 or 202 or a female
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  running like sub 250 and then you kind of just blend in, which
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  is obscene to say. Which is like, you can, I can't
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  justify this, but like, can you sort of understand why they, a
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  lot of them like take drugs, like to try and like get an edge
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  on the others. I don't know, like it's, it's
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  wrong, But there's, there's so many good runners over there.
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  Well, especially when they see probably like the lad who they
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  went to school with or the girl who they sat next to and maths
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  building a village because they've just won bloody Chicago
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  Marathon or something. Yeah, like that's money.
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  That chapter got popped and last week was an Albert career or
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  something like that. Like.
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  Him, he has one or he's got on like top finishes in all these
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  major marathons. It is totally irrelevant.
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  Team getting popped now like he has.
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  He's made for a life, so he could not care less.
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  Like he's like, all right, finally he's got me.
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  The damage is done. I can literally retire now.
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  Yeah, so it's sad to see, but yeah, there's like, I don't
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  know, it's just super strange everyone getting popped in Kenya
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  and no one getting popped in Ethiopia and then you hear about
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  your one, the 1500 meter one. Well, Taji and the way she got
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  popped, like Ethiopia, we're going to stand there.
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  But while they were like, wait a minute.
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  So yeah, I don't know. It's just something's not right
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  over there. Yeah, you would be surprised if
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  2026 like kind of carried on this way and Ethiopia's name
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  stayed relatively clean. Yeah, but that was the only,
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  like, notable road race over the last week.
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  Yeah, and then to kick off the the indoors, Cam Myers seems
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  like bit of a random race really.
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  University of Washington, he ran from the front by himself, won
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  by was it 5 seconds? I think it's a run 349.81, which
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  I was looking at kind of like the all time list for the
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  Aussies. And he's actually got the the
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  joint record with Ollie Hall 347.48.
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  So it wasn't quite APB. But if you ignore, if you ignore
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  Cam's time already and then this was APB forum that would still
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  slot in our number seven all time for the Australians.
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  So obviously still insanely fast mile to win by 5 seconds as well
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  is like even more crazy. But yeah, what's what's he doing
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  over there racing? Like he was in the world cross
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  country team. He he won the trials.
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  He chose to do the mixed relay off his own back.
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  So you like he had to all his own way.
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  And then obviously, like towards the start of the race, it was
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  announced that Jack Anthony had been running in his replacement
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  maybe on two weeks notice. So yeah, perhaps a bit of a
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  shock to see him racing so soon after that, but obviously
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  something going on we're not aware of.
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  What would you hypothesize? Did did Crokes say and then was
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  did they say it was an illness or something like that or did
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  anything ever come out? I think there was a comment and
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  indirect comment which kind of suggested it was like, but
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  there's something going on or there's been things going on or
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  something which made you think obviously there's there's
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  something going on, but didn't exactly say what.
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  Because obviously he had that bit of a medical episode, didn't
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  he? When, when would that have been?
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  Towards the back end of last European summer season where he
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  like passed out or collapsed on it on a run.
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  Health related but. But what could change in a week?
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  Like like he's obviously clearly super fit, like a 349 in
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  January. Is is serious going and like
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  from the front as well. Yeah, I don't.
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  I wish they'd just say it like just.
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  It's weird that they didn't say anything like as a reason.
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  Yeah, you would. One suggestion could be like it
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  was a career choice, as in looking long term and into the
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  future. Maybe he'll get more from
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  focusing on the indoor season and getting sometimes on the
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  board and potentially helping his profile and win more prize
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  money than going to, well, cross country would.
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  But. Just say that.
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  Why would you nominate? Yeah.
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  Just say that or come out clean. Like I disrespect that.
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  The fact that like he didn't say anything unless it's something
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  super private where fair enough, like 19 year old kid, like it's
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  up to him. But yeah, it's just weird.
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  Yeah, you hope it's that. You hope it's a private just a
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  personal reason and that's why they chose not to disclose it,
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  but doesn't make a lot of sense. Yeah, it's crazy how he is still
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  only 19. Like he's just like one of the
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  best in the world. Crazy girl.
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  The standards that he's held against are crazy, unlike I am
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  victim of that as well as in like potentially saying a run
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  that is obscurely good isn't that good because of kind of
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  like what he's done at age 14151617.
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  You just expect him to stay on this Yahoo being a Britain
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  trajectory. Yeah, and someone on that
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  similar trajectory would be your man from across the pond, Sam
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  route. He's flying.
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  Hey. Yeah, he he ran in this pot
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  classic in Hastings and 100m and he ran 145.86 where Sam Tanner
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  breeding down his neck. But yeah, again, like what age
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  is he 1617? Like to run a 145?
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  Not a generation of talent. Which like is mind blowing but
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  then it just makes that is it looked in house, locked in
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  house. Yeah.
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  Who's 16 and ran, what, 142? Yeah, but that was Olympic
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  trials as well. Like this is in some lookout.
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  Yeah, back ass New Zealand track.
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  Fair, fair, fair. Yeah, all all fair.
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  But like 1:45 not that long ago was an outstanding performance
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  like national, national close to national record type performance
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  that 142 is to feel just you know.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. Like, you know, it's a different
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  level, isn't it, between 1:42 and 1:45?
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  So, but it just talks to how the game is changing.
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  Like you're talking about with like rather than just the winner
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  of a race running 2730 at Valencia, you've got a pack or
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  sprinting, you know, like the the depth is.
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  Yeah, it's really cool. Pretty deep.
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  Connor, sorry, just before we move on completely, I was just
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  looking on Cam Strawberry just then and scrolled back a little
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  bit. And last Saturday, which would
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  be the 10th of January, I think that is coincidentally exactly
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  when well, cross country was or maybe well cross country was on
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  the the Friday. But anyway, on the 10th or
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  Saturday he Cam done a run. And in the caption, he put three
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  weeks 3 races UW mile, which is this one he's just run this
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  weekend in the 349 Boston 3K and Milrose Mile.
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  So although the kind of prestigiousness of this race
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  wasn't really there, if you exclude that and look at a
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  Boston 3K when we're going to get to these fields as well and
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  the Milrose Mile, they are like kind of two of the standout
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  indoor meets. So I don't know it the fact that
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  he he knows he was getting into those fields, but lead me to
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  suggest it was just purely A strategic move.
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  Then like, how much would 2K cross country take out?
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  Yeah, especially with the team like Australia had.
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  Like you could literally jog around that place and got a
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  handy word medal. Like it's probably the easiest
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  world medal he probably ever would have got.
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  Yeah. And what, what are you in it
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  for? I suppose it's probably the the
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  questions you want to ask yourself.
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  But like, because I understand the prize money wasn't very
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  good. So you're not in that.
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  Winning that gold medal didn't result in a lot of financial
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  gain, but winning a world gold medal, you keep that forever no
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  matter how fast you run. But you know, if you want to be
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  competitive, you need to run faster and faster.
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  Yeah, and what's the thing this year?
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  Com games you'd think like no disrespect to anyone who's going
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  to be going to the con games you you'd think even if he did do
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  the world cross country, he would still be able to qualify
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  for the con games team in later in January or in February.
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  Like he probably does it in one shot basically, doesn't he?
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  If next time he gets on the start line if he goes for the
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  time, he probably gets it. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see
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  how this ages with the likes of Olly Horror and Jack Anstee in
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  terms of how their season goes on.
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  And then people might look back and comment differently on on
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  some of this. But yeah, over on our side of
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  the world in Ireland, there was a few.
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  There was an indoor event on Wednesday.
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  And then Mark English, he's an 800m runner for Ireland.
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  He was the national record holder before Kane Mcphillips
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  ran in the world champs there in Tokyo.
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  But he broke the Irish record, the 600 meter record.
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  He ran 115.8, which again is him a solo run, serious going and
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  like he he's a doctor by trade, but he's no spring chicken.
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  Like he's he's 32 currently. And yeah, I noticed that.
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  He was 32. That's funny because I knew that
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  was coming, so I just googled his age whilst I was like
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  speaking about him. I was expecting it to say like
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  38 and I knew that that would maybe like rub steam up the
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  wrong way. I wouldn't talk like he's like
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  Cam. Are you the same birth year as
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  Cam Mars? No.
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  But then when you said he's there, he's no spring chicken,
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  he's 32. I was like, shit, I'm almost
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  getting offended now. But for the 800 meters.
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  For two more weeks you won't. And then trust me, once you
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  crossover, you realize all these 30 past year olds you know.
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  But I'm just so I noticed in this race he wasn't wearing his
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  ASICS kit so I'm presuming he's either left ASICS or he's been
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  dropped by ASICS. But I'm just like his 2025.
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  He ran a national record of 145 indoors.
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  Then he came third in the European Indoor Championships.
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  Then he won a race in 144. He got a national record of
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  144.34. He then got bet that again and
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  got a nodal national record of 143.92.
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  These are all the 800 by the way.
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  He won the Irish nationals in 148.
• 23:46
  He then came second in Budapest in a 143.37, another national
• 23:52
  record. He won a race in Beijing and
• 23:55
  1:44 and then he got he got to the world semifinals in a 145,
• 24:04
  which like he got and then obviously Kimi Phillips sort of
• 24:11
  just knocked him off his feet and round 142.
• 24:15
  And but like for the year, he had to be unsponsored.
• 24:20
  Is is is pretty nuts. Like in the race in New Zealand,
• 24:27
  I noticed them. Sam Tanner, he wasn't wearing
• 24:30
  his Puma kit, so he must have gotten dropped as well.
• 24:34
  And like this week Zac Faggione, the Aussie distance runner came
• 24:40
  out that he lost his contract to a OAC on which like I understand
• 24:47
  there's no like a main event this year for brands, but I just
• 24:51
  feel like it's awful. It's harsh, Unlike the athletes,
• 24:55
  like especially like Mark English, like he had such a good
• 24:57
  year last year and for him to be like unsponsored at the moment,
• 25:02
  it's it's crazy. And like the likes of Acacione,
• 25:05
  like I think he got a two year contract would on and you can
• 25:09
  only like in that two years. Fair enough.
• 25:13
  The first year you're sort of building and building and
• 25:15
  building. If you get any injury at all,
• 25:17
  it's sort of like derails your progress.
• 25:20
  So like for a brand to only give you 2 years, like I feel like
• 25:23
  they should be giving you 4 years because at least four
• 25:26
  years, it's a long enough period to let's say if you do have an
• 25:30
  an injury or a little blip, you can still like regain fitness
• 25:33
  and like kick on. But I feel like they're not
• 25:38
  fully investing in like the athletes long term to like give
• 25:42
  them a chance. Like Zach of John, he had
• 25:44
  really, he was really unfortunate.
• 25:46
  He got a few injuries and then was it one of the cross country
• 25:49
  races he had? He collapsed something before
• 25:51
  it. Like I feel like just you can
• 25:53
  get really, really unlucky and like, it is a super cultural
• 25:57
  sport. But yeah, it's just it's not
• 26:00
  nice to see like loads of really good runners, like unsponsored.
• 26:04
  Yeah, I don't know what's making me think this way right now, but
• 26:08
  I mean, tell me I'm wider than Mark.
• 26:11
  But I think often we kind of sing from the athlete side and
• 26:16
  like, really fight for athlete like demands and rights and
• 26:21
  entitlements, prize money, sponsorships, whatever it may
• 26:23
  be. But also you do have to think of
• 26:26
  it from the brand's point of view, like the the game, if you
• 26:30
  would call it as such. Like just moves on so fast,
• 26:33
  doesn't it? Like if you're not performing
• 26:35
  and running PBS, yeah, unfortunately that might be
• 26:39
  because you've had an injury, but someone else is.
• 26:41
  And the brands want to have all those people signed.
• 26:45
  So if an opportunity comes up to maybe sign someone else who's
• 26:48
  like doing really well at that time, whilst you're potentially
• 26:52
  going to be taking six months to come back from an injury and it
• 26:55
  being unknown whether you'll get back to those levels, it's it's
• 26:59
  a tough world out there. And do you think some of these
• 27:02
  brands are looking at the athlete as a bit of a package
• 27:05
  deal, So in terms of what they're presence is broader
• 27:09
  presence in terms of social media and how like the following
• 27:14
  an influence I have? I think nowadays that does come
• 27:18
  into account, like they'd rather like drop Zac Faggione and hire
• 27:24
  some young Instagram influencer with 100 RK followers that is
• 27:29
  going to like have more reach. But like the size of these
• 27:35
  companies like Puma and Nike on like giving little Zac Fagioni a
• 27:41
  couple of pairs of shoes a year and some kit.
• 27:42
  Like that's nothing off their back.
• 27:45
  And I don't know, I just doesn't sit well with me.
• 27:48
  I feel like if you're buying into someone, you need to give
• 27:51
  them more than two years. I mean on the mark English one
• 27:54
  that does seem harsh like national record holder multiple
• 27:57
  multiple times. If if he can't get a deal over
• 28:00
  the line like how can anyone else from the 800 CNN Ireland
• 28:05
  like be optimistic of securing themselves a contract?
• 28:09
  And that's only spec like he was wearing a Brooke singlet.
• 28:12
  So I'm I don't know if he cut himself, he wanted more money
• 28:15
  and cut himself or Isaac dropped him.
• 28:18
  But yes, I think it's crazy that he wasn't wearing like a
• 28:24
  sponsored singlet. With I'm just jumping back and
• 28:28
  forth here between Zach Factioner and Mark English as
• 28:31
  well. But I know if you compare it to
• 28:33
  another sport like Zach Factioner, if you're talking
• 28:36
  about Premier League footballer, I don't know.
• 28:39
  Would you compare them to like think about people who maybe
• 28:43
  just signed their like first pro deal out of the Academy.
• 28:46
  The chances of you then ending up in like the Championship or
• 28:49
  League One within a couple of years is pretty high and like
• 28:54
  there's no guarantee that that short term deal in the 1st place
• 28:58
  will eventuate to anything crazy.
• 29:01
  Maybe it's just fallen victim to a bit of that, but I mean I do
• 29:05
  get what you're saying as well. Brands should throw more cash at
• 29:08
  it overall, make more athletes happy.
• 29:13
  Yeah. Or just give them a chance.
• 29:17
  Two years, like a little bit like an Olympic cycle, that's
• 29:20
  all. Like if they can't do over 4
• 29:21
  years, OK, that's OK. But 2 years is just, it is
• 29:25
  pretty short and like an athlete's like all you need is
• 29:29
  one injury and that knocks your total track season off.
• 29:32
  Like that's, yeah. Also as well, I'm just I'm just
• 29:36
  thinking out loud here general public was we have no idea what
• 29:41
  clauses go into these contracts. So like he could have just not
• 29:45
  hit clauses which he would have known ages ago he was never
• 29:49
  going to hit. But yeah, we we don't know kind
• 29:52
  of what goes into them, what doesn't go into them.
• 29:56
  I'd love to get like an archive of expired contracts or
• 30:00
  something and just see how they're kind of made or.
• 30:03
  Yeah, what they actually look like, because we have an iota of
• 30:06
  what any of them look like. Not even like rumour mill like
• 30:13
  performance bonuses or if you don't do this then you dropped
• 30:17
  or your salary goes down by X amounts.
• 30:20
  But you know, that's kind of all the things that will be written
• 30:23
  into them. Yeah, it's pretty cut throat
• 30:26
  though, as we see. And even like obviously some of
• 30:29
  the top athletes, there will be occasions where they have offers
• 30:33
  to switch brands and like some of the decision making and
• 30:37
  thought process that goes into like weighing up the vow, not
• 30:41
  necessarily the value, but like the the terms that are written
• 30:45
  into one contract versus another and why they choose one over
• 30:49
  another. I know lots of this is bound by
• 30:52
  like NDA's and stuff, but surely once the contracts have ceased
• 30:56
  and expired there's potential to talk about it?
• 31:00
  Your man Isaac Canelli, he I think he got silver in the 5K in
• 31:05
  worlds, but he was a Puma and as of January that contract was up
• 31:12
  and now he's a Hoga. So he was lucky to go from 1
• 31:15
  branch straight to another. But like you'd love to see the
• 31:18
  difference or if the contract is like the same or what's the
• 31:22
  story? Did you see him on that Team
• 31:25
  Macau video with some of the boys?
• 31:28
  Yeah, yeah, I seen him. He he was doing like a stride in
• 31:32
  front of my wave and I was like Isaac, hi.
• 31:38
  Didn't you say Vamos? No, no, that's only to Andres
• 31:43
  and my friend. Yeah, He was like, oh, I don't
• 31:45
  know what this shoe is called. I don't know.
• 31:49
  Yeah, he was asking them like, what are you racing or whatever?
• 31:51
  And he's like, yeah, yes. Oh, sorry, I've only just
• 31:53
  joined. I don't know what it's called
• 31:55
  because they're on about like the Cielo or whatever.
• 31:58
  I mean, they're like good couple of recruits and for Hoka Camelli
• 32:03
  have Tom like yeah, good signings.
• 32:07
  Good investments. Their little slogan is like
• 32:10
  something about fly, isn't it? Like.
• 32:12
  I think it's fly, human fly. Fly, human fly, yeah.
• 32:17
  That will be in those whatever shoes they put on.
• 32:20
  Imagine how how simple life must be if you're in Camelli shoes
• 32:24
  there and you're like, you're literally a pro runner, a
• 32:27
  medallist at the recent championships, you've signed
• 32:31
  with a new brand, and you don't even know what the Super shoe is
• 32:34
  called because you don't even care, clearly.
• 32:36
  Like, it's a good shoe. You're going to put it on
• 32:39
  regardless. You're being paid to put it on
• 32:41
  you just like, yeah, boys, what's this shoe again, by the
• 32:44
  way? I'm not.
• 32:46
  Getting caught up in the wades of it all.
• 32:48
  Yeah, that's like just trust in his ability.
• 32:50
  Like he doesn't really care what he's putting on his feet.
• 32:52
  He knows how good he is. Did he ran all right?
• 32:56
  I think only 2740 odd I think. Stinker.
• 33:00
  I mean actually it's in and I'm sure it's not the shoes but but
• 33:07
  that's a fake because was he second in the 10K?
• 33:14
  He was. Here on 27/29.
• 33:18
  Around 2729 he where did he finish then?
• 33:22
  Fourth or something? Eighth.
• 33:25
  Wow. Imagine 2729 coming 8th.
• 33:27
  Yeah, didn't didn't even get a shout out last week, but like,
• 33:32
  but that's the still. Was he second behind?
• 33:36
  Hand in the 5K behind Cole. Was he?
• 33:39
  Yeah, OK, so ahead of arm Green, but I suppose over the 5K and
• 33:45
  Arm Green's just absolutely spanked him over 10K put what,
• 33:51
  50, you know, 45 seconds into him.
• 33:54
  Have you seen there's someone like the interviews and stuff
• 33:57
  that have come out with him since that Valencia run last
• 34:01
  week? Like he's so switched on and
• 34:04
  like he explains stuff so well. Like there's AI think the Sunday
• 34:08
  podcast put up a video interview with him asking him about double
• 34:12
  threshold and stuff. And for anyone who has used
• 34:16
  double threshold or is looking to use double threshold to
• 34:19
  really interest in watch because he kind of explains the benefits
• 34:23
  of it, but also like when you should and when you shouldn't be
• 34:27
  using it. I you need to be like a really
• 34:29
  strong runner in order to be able to handle it and use it to
• 34:34
  then layer in the specific stuff on top of it's like kind of the
• 34:38
  strength building exercise. Your double threshold is like
• 34:41
  the base and then you do your your speed like to sort of like
• 34:45
  spring like sprinkling of speed on top to.
• 34:48
  But again, you need to be doing like stupid.
• 34:51
  I think there's so much more an athlete can do a long time,
• 34:54
  yeah. There's so much more an athlete
• 34:55
  can do before they get to that double threshold, like stage of
• 35:00
  their athlete career. Like there's so many more
• 35:02
  benefits to do before you get to that.
• 35:04
  He strikes me as the sort of guy that will know every shoe that
• 35:08
  he's putting on his feet. Absolutely, yeah.
• 35:12
  It's very light, thorough. Scientific everything's to do.
• 35:15
  Like millisecond I'd say. Miller Mole.
• 35:20
  Hey. Yeah, he'll know all his, like,
• 35:23
  treadmill efficiencies on every single shoe.
• 35:26
  Only the way he speaks. You, you think like when he
• 35:32
  retires, he's going to be a coach for sure.
• 35:34
  Like he's so passionate about the technical and scientific
• 35:38
  side of it. He wore the vapor flies for
• 35:42
  Valencia, which a lot of people would rather the alpha fly, but
• 35:47
  yeah, he's pretty good at running, eh?
• 35:50
  We shared between the three of us a video of him this week.
• 35:53
  And he's like, what are you going to do?
• 35:56
  This is obviously ahead of the the race.
• 35:58
  And they ask him what you're going to do if you break the
• 36:00
  record. And he, like, starts pretending
• 36:02
  to flick sheets of cash out. And then he's like, no.
• 36:06
  And they're joking. Now I'm going back to altitude
• 36:09
  and I'll eat another bowl of pasta.
• 36:11
  He says he's only joking, but it felt to me like he wasn't
• 36:16
  joking. Like basically I get a stack of
• 36:19
  cash if I it might per my contract if I break the record.
• 36:23
  That's how that's how it read to me.
• 36:26
  What did you say? Talking about clauses and
• 36:29
  contracts, he knows what his is, doesn't.
• 36:31
  Exactly, he knows what he's getting.
• 36:33
  He broke it by just enough too. It was about 8 seconds.
• 36:36
  Like he'll he'll chip off a little bit more next year.
• 36:40
  Those bloody sweets, they know what to do with these.
• 36:42
  Rafty bastards. Yeah.
• 36:45
  Yeah, No, I think he played that, played that very nicely.
• 36:49
  Although. Did you?
• 36:51
  I thought when they went through, we didn't speak about
• 36:52
  it last week. I thought when they went through
• 36:54
  halfway they said 1307. Did you?
• 36:58
  Yeah, wasn't it like almost looked as though from what he
• 37:01
  was saying that he was on for world record pace?
• 37:04
  It felt like that and then that K that that went forever.
• 37:08
  I mean, if he stopped in that first shoot, he would have, I
• 37:10
  think he was at 2615 or something.
• 37:12
  But yeah, it felt I, I don't know if he positive split
• 37:15
  because it certainly didn't look like the intensity came out of
• 37:18
  the race in the second-half. I think he was like literally
• 37:22
  perfect. His first half was the exact
• 37:25
  same as the second-half. So that they've probably just
• 37:28
  got that slightly wrong the the commentary rather than his
• 37:31
  official, but his official time is even.
• 37:34
  Yeah, which would make sense. That's how it looked.
• 37:37
  It looked like he was on that, you know, 240 odd pace the whole
• 37:40
  way, pressing the whole time. Yeah, I think the commentators
• 37:43
  just had a bit of a bit of a Boo Boo there with his split, and
• 37:47
  then Andres himself had had one in the last K when he thought
• 37:52
  he'd finished 200 meters before he did.
• 37:54
  That'll be so hard to get going after thinking you've just hit
• 37:58
  the line. From a lad who's there, it is
• 38:03
  demoralizing when you see people that are still running when they
• 38:07
  pass that first like Arch and they're still running from the
• 38:10
  like 150 meters. You're like no, because you're
• 38:15
  just you've after giving it all. Because was there a corner as
• 38:19
  well? And then maybe like a four or
• 38:21
  500 meter straight. Yeah, so corner.
• 38:24
  And then I think you've like 600 meters, but yeah, you can see
• 38:28
  one shoe, so you bomb it and then you see people still
• 38:32
  running when they're past the shoot and you're like, fuck, sit
• 38:37
  down for that 150 meters. You're literally just yeah,
• 38:40
  struggling. Well.
• 38:41
  I was. So even even if you're on the
• 38:44
  red line coming into that corner, I don't know what it is,
• 38:47
  but automatically once you turn a corner and can then see the
• 38:52
  finish, you can drop the hammer again, can't you?
• 38:54
  You can just like find something on the back of a corner.
• 38:57
  It's weird. And it helps when the street is
• 39:00
  lined like 3D of people just screaming at you as well.
• 39:04
  So he then would have dropped that hammer thinking he was
• 39:08
  dropping it for 300 meters, emptied the tank entirely to
• 39:12
  then have to find another hundred or two.
• 39:16
  Yeah, yeah. And fair enough.
• 39:18
  Like I had, I could see people still running like he was first.
• 39:21
  He would have not have known, which is, yeah, super super.
• 39:25
  Painful for him, but yeah, he'll be back up in altitude now
• 39:29
  eating a few more bowls of pasta, so life is good.
• 39:33
  Yeah, I think he's up there. There's a few of them going up
• 39:35
  there. Afim Antwerp seems to be doing a
• 39:37
  lot of running with him. And this the Norwegian guy as
• 39:41
  well. That Puma Norwegian guy.
• 39:44
  I did see Alfie was there is that Sierra Nevada?
• 39:47
  Yeah, super. High as well.
• 39:50
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's super high up there, which
• 39:53
  is did is off human a marathon. I think he's doing a marathon
• 39:57
  pretty soon, even though that might have changed now that he's
• 40:01
  got the European standards and the all that sort of stuff.
• 40:04
  But I think he was training for a marathon.
• 40:07
  I think Jordan Donnelly might coach him.
• 40:09
  You know, I know he seems to be attached to everyone, but he he
• 40:13
  reshares a lot of his posts and stuff.
• 40:16
  And like Candace, I don't know how you would suggest that
• 40:19
  you're someone's coach, but you know, through like
• 40:21
  congratulating him and stuff. I think he's like an advisor
• 40:25
  really. He just bounces ideas off them.
• 40:27
  But I think Alfie would be like a soft coached.
• 40:31
  But yeah, Donnelly helps out a little bit.
• 40:35
  That might be what he goes with the line of advisor coaching
• 40:39
  consultancy. Yeah, right.
• 40:42
  What's up next? We've got the fields ahead of
• 40:45
  the New Balance Grand Prix next week, 24th of January over there
• 40:50
  in these are in Boston, NY Grand Prix.
• 40:54
  New Balance is Boston, yeah. Boston So the men's 3000 meters
• 40:59
  is filled with three Irish athletes.
• 41:02
  In fact, Owens very good friends.
• 41:05
  Andrew Costgren, Brian Faye, Nick Griggs and then there's
• 41:10
  Australian Cam Myers and the rest is US athletes including
• 41:14
  Graham Blanks, Morgan Bieldscomb, Matt Wilkinson.
• 41:20
  So interest in Irish contingent heading over there anywhere on
• 41:24
  the ground on what the boys are up to there.
• 41:27
  No, I know Andrew was in Flagstaff, so he's done a lot of
• 41:30
  campus Flagstaff and we'll head to Boston.
• 41:33
  But out of all of them, I'm most excited about seeing as Marco
• 41:37
  Langan. He's the guy.
• 41:40
  He's an NCAA guy, but he pushed habitum right to the end, not 5K
• 41:46
  indoors. And then he gave that he gave a
• 41:49
  really funny interview after and what was he saying?
• 41:55
  He full on like believes he will win NCAA outdoor 5K and him, you
• 42:01
  know that Gary Martin guy, he's another young lad.
• 42:04
  The. Glasses.
• 42:05
  Yeah, he was saying like, oh, Gary wouldn't move his flat
• 42:10
  house or something like that. You have to go find it.
• 42:13
  It's so. Funny because it was a full
• 42:15
  Sprint, wasn't They're all thrown themselves over the line
• 42:18
  and he came over the top of him, didn't he, The Irish lad, These
• 42:22
  fucking hung shit hung poor Gary out to dry because, but Gary's
• 42:26
  just tying up like there's nothing of it.
• 42:28
  He did anything wrong? And then Mark was like, oh, I'm
• 42:32
  not even upset, but losing. He lost his earring as well.
• 42:35
  He's like, I'm more upset about losing what you he's he's a real
• 42:38
  character anyway, but super, super fast.
• 42:41
  But yeah, that's a stacked field.
• 42:43
  Do you hear the coffee Cup guys recap their world cross country
• 42:47
  experience? And they mentioned the race, the
• 42:50
  run of the day in the senior man's in terms of not at the
• 42:53
  pointy end, but you know, in terms of judging their effort.
• 42:56
  They mentioned Brian Fay. Well, yeah, judged it to
• 43:01
  perfection. Yeah.
• 43:03
  And I think Morgan McDonald was commenting on that, on someone
• 43:06
  who he, he saw it unfold. Yeah.
• 43:09
  And so I saw him judge it very well, which is interesting.
• 43:13
  And this is what I suppose Cam's doing in terms of having a first
• 43:16
  hit out running the 349 for the mile to set himself up for this
• 43:19
  race. And it's the same with Brian Fay
• 43:21
  in terms of he he learned a lot from EUR and it set him up for
• 43:25
  World Cross. But I still can't see anyone in
• 43:29
  that field sort of be in Andrew Costkran.
• 43:31
  I think 3K is Andrew Costkran's like best distance really
• 43:35
  because he's got salvage speed over the 15 and he's super
• 43:38
  strong from the 5 S. My money's on Andrew Costkran
• 43:41
  there, to be honest. And he he did he run well in one
• 43:47
  of those Grand Slam three KS as well.
• 43:50
  Yes, he came second to Grant Fisher only, I think, and fair
• 43:57
  enough that this will be more of a time trial.
• 44:00
  I'm guessing they'll be like wave lights and all that sort of
• 44:02
  stuff. But yeah, stack field.
• 44:05
  Do you reckon you've got a bit of a soft spot for Graham
• 44:07
  Blanks? You're going to allow Owen to
• 44:10
  give Koster and favouritism here?
• 44:12
  Well, Graham Blank turned a little bit.
• 44:16
  He was a little bit off, wasn't he?
• 44:17
  At World Cross? He wasn't doing anything super
• 44:21
  spectacular. I think his interview post race
• 44:23
  was better then. Well then he's run where he was
• 44:26
  like, that sucked. I hated it.
• 44:29
  I got smoked, which was awesome. So I think he yeah.
• 44:36
  So I'm excited for him. Hopefully he bounces back.
• 44:39
  On getting smoked and stuff at World Cross or people saying
• 44:43
  that they did, it's funny because in hindsight, like
• 44:47
  through that Macau video, Rory Leonard features in it and he
• 44:50
  talks about his results. So if you can remember, he
• 44:52
  finished 79th, which by his own admission isn't like a great
• 44:57
  result. And you look at the results when
• 45:00
  they come through and all you see is that he finished 79th and
• 45:03
  you're like, well, that's a bit of a bad run.
• 45:06
  You're kind of judging it like asking questions and stuff.
• 45:09
  And then when you hear his explanation of like, I mean, it
• 45:12
  was there wasn't really much in the way of explaining why it was
• 45:16
  a bad run, but he just basically said I was redlining from the
• 45:19
  start. I felt like I couldn't move past
• 45:22
  three 30s. And I was amazed that when I
• 45:27
  crossed the line, there was actually still people behind me.
• 45:31
  Like I thought based on how I was running, I must be dead
• 45:35
  last. And then when you hear like a
• 45:37
  kind of an honest and a humble reflection and critical
• 45:41
  reflection, it's a lot more relatable and you're like, well,
• 45:45
  you know what it feels like to have a shit run when you don't
• 45:48
  expect to have a shit run or you don't think you deserve to have
• 45:51
  one. So I can then kind of take my
• 45:54
  critical lenses out and be like, yeah, OK, fair play.
• 45:57
  Everyone can have a shit day. And like it can just happen as
• 46:02
  well. Like you can do everything, like
• 46:04
  perfectly up everything and it's on the day you just you just
• 46:09
  don't have it. It's just happens, which is a
• 46:12
  strange thing like with what our sport, but that's, yeah,
• 46:17
  sometimes just happens. You don't have on the day.
• 46:20
  It's funny as well though because when it's you you feel
• 46:22
  like oh shit like I'm I'm just like making excuses or trying to
• 46:27
  justify but it literally in the end it does happen to everyone
• 46:31
  at some point or other. Yeah.
• 46:34
  So it's like, because when you're training like he's like,
• 46:37
  again, just under that red line and like anything at all could
• 46:41
  just throw you over and lead to like a poor race or even like
• 46:46
  mentally as well. You have to be on the ball.
• 46:49
  So yet there's so many, so many little things go into it like
• 46:53
  running the perfect race. And if one of them's off, you
• 46:56
  can just derail. Yeah, back to New Balance.
• 47:00
  It's weird the way they've they've a 3K but they also have
• 47:03
  a 2K and in the 2K they've got the likes of like Grant Fisher,
• 47:08
  Sam Gillman, Luke Houser, Hobbs Kessler and Jake Whiteman.
• 47:13
  So they're probably the the big names there.
• 47:17
  And yeah, who was your put your money on?
• 47:21
  Jake White, my Grand Fisher or Hobbs Kessler, as a matter of
• 47:24
  fact. Exciting to see Whiteman back on
• 47:27
  the start lines like kind of semi regularly, at least,
• 47:31
  because the the World Athletics champs was almost like a it
• 47:36
  wasn't his comeback because he'd raced in the lead up to that.
• 47:39
  But now that he's kind of got through those championships and
• 47:42
  then he's on the start line again at the start of like the
• 47:44
  next season, you're like, OK, he's he's actually back now for
• 47:48
  the foreseeable as well. And yeah, going up against
• 47:53
  Graham Fisher is not an easy way to start it off. 2 Ki mean you
• 48:01
  would say that on the distance Whiteman.
• 48:04
  It potentially suits Whiteman a bit more, but we've seen Fisher
• 48:07
  do pathetic things over the 3000, so I'm sure he can still
• 48:12
  run a bizarre 2000. Pathetic things.
• 48:18
  By pathetic you mean very good, right?
• 48:20
  Pathetically good, yeah. Yeah.
• 48:23
  So here's your tip. How's everyone if everyone gets
• 48:26
  to pick one? I'm picking Whiteman.
• 48:29
  Chop's too good, especially like 2K is more like, I don't know,
• 48:33
  815 hundred. Yeah, my mind's and Jake
• 48:37
  Whiteman. I'll go Fisher.
• 48:39
  So Fish is obviously going to go to the front and see if he can
• 48:42
  burn him off, get rid of his kick, but I don't know if he if
• 48:46
  2000 meters is long enough for him to.
• 48:49
  I reckon Whiteman can still be there and just run past him.
• 48:53
  My logic is fishes like peaks and troughs, often a lower,
• 48:58
  whereas Jack Wightman normally gets very fit at the right time.
• 49:02
  I'm not sure how fit will be in his first indoor race of the
• 49:05
  season. Didn't Fisher run a world record
• 49:09
  in indoors last last year as well?
• 49:11
  Yeah. Or the 5K.
• 49:14
  Yeah, I think he was fit to it. Well, he may have.
• 49:17
  He's fit so early in the year. And then Kessler's kind of like
• 49:21
  the wild card, right? Because he didn't end the season
• 49:23
  very great. He didn't make the US team.
• 49:26
  How's he going to come back? Yeah, yeah.
• 49:30
  And he's had a bit of a tough time of it.
• 49:33
  USA has been so competitive and it was, I think he was a bit
• 49:36
  bewildered, wasn't it? He passed comment that it wasn't
• 49:41
  like I had a bad year. I did.
• 49:42
  I did what I thought was helping me improve, yet I wasn't good
• 49:46
  enough to make the team, so it sounded like.
• 49:50
  So he either goes one or two ways.
• 49:52
  Maybe he gets a bit, you know, dejected or he uses it as fuel.
• 49:57
  So he could, hopefully he comes out and goes back.
• 50:00
  He's one of those characters that you'd root for as well
• 50:02
  though, isn't he? Yeah, 100%.
• 50:06
  And Hobbs Castor super young still like he's been on the
• 50:09
  scene for a while. Yeah, he had 32. 600 meters.
• 50:13
  Then again, we're talking about Owens Countryman.
• 50:15
  Kane Mcphillips toes the line with Donovan Brazier and Bryce
• 50:20
  Hochul of the USA and Mehdi Yaniri also of the USA.
• 50:27
  So is that the full field? Yeah, there's.
• 50:30
  More people, despite the fact there's only four that is.
• 50:35
  It's funny because maybe a year ago you'd be saying that as a
• 50:37
  random field. Like just to US guns, a random
• 50:42
  Irish kid and another US person you don't know well.
• 50:45
  But now after what Mcphillips done in the summer, you're like,
• 50:49
  shit, that's a sick field. And I feel like it's like
• 50:53
  they've asked for this to be like specifically put on for
• 50:57
  them to try and get like a standard or something like that.
• 51:00
  Cause yeah, 600 meters ain't run that often.
• 51:04
  And like, yeah, I don't know, it's just super specific, like
• 51:07
  Donovan Razor, Bryce Hop or Kimmy Phillips, like super fast
• 51:11
  guys. Well, didn't Josh how we run a
• 51:14
  600 meter US or world record? Were indoor world records, Yeah.
• 51:20
  Was it? I think in Rise at 112, that'd
• 51:25
  be right. That that was last month, that
• 51:28
  was in December. And I saw a, there's a YouTube
• 51:31
  clip off the back of that about it This that came out this week
• 51:36
  talking about how I think in a podcast he referenced he wants
• 51:39
  to target the indoor world record.
• 51:42
  That is it Kip Kata, Kenyan who ran for I think Denmark.
• 51:48
  It's like 30 years old. The 800 meter world record is
• 51:51
  like, I think it's 142.6 thereabouts, but maybe these
• 51:56
  guys are having a crack at that, the 600 meter world record.
• 52:00
  Yeah, like you say, with it being a random distance usually,
• 52:03
  like even the two KS and stuff, they're not.
• 52:07
  And the 1K is another one. They're not running these random
• 52:10
  distances unless there's someone in the field who is taking a
• 52:13
  stab at some sort of European country or world record is like
• 52:20
  the kind of set up deliberately for these records to fall,
• 52:24
  aren't they? So, yeah, watch the space on
• 52:27
  that one. I mean, who would you pick?
• 52:29
  Maybe Donovan Brazier giving his comeback And then like, he's
• 52:34
  still there again this year. He's clearly fancies himself on
• 52:37
  the upward trajectory. Yeah, my money's on him as well,
• 52:41
  but alter on super fast. The I'm just rating up a little
• 52:46
  bit on it and it looks like Joshua broke Donovan Brazier's
• 52:50
  600 meter world record. There you go.
• 52:54
  Mr. Brazier wasn't too happy. Perhaps not redemption.
• 53:00
  And that's funny, right? This time last year, maybe if
• 53:03
  how he had to broke his record, he wouldn't have really been
• 53:06
  able to do anything about it because he may he may have tried
• 53:09
  to get a field together, get himself into a race and
• 53:13
  organisers and other athletes would probably would have been
• 53:15
  like, no, what? Why?
• 53:18
  Why would I get behind you like you've kind of been, you've been
• 53:21
  finished for the past three or four years, mate.
• 53:24
  And then now he's fully back on the scene, he's calling the
• 53:27
  shots again. But like that's all how I don't
• 53:31
  understand like how did he hold his Nike contract?
• 53:35
  Like fair enough, he won worlds in 2019 but he literally only
• 53:40
  returned in 2025 which is like 6 years.
• 53:46
  Like I don't get head like to him.
• 53:48
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 53:50
  To be fair, yeah, some of those night contracts do seem to go on
• 53:53
  for a while when it's clearly passed the the athletes peak or
• 53:57
  whatever. So maybe they do have some long
• 54:01
  term what like Craig Angles? I think he's probably still a
• 54:03
  night athlete now. Speaking to him, he's running in
• 54:07
  Dublin like next week or really, really soon.
• 54:09
  So here he's doing like a European Tour.
• 54:12
  I'm. Like he's a legend, you need to
• 54:14
  go and meet him. In 100 meters in Dublin, yeah.
• 54:17
  Remember that guy was like one of the first kind of like people
• 54:20
  I started following when I was getting into running because
• 54:23
  he's just a bit of a Mad Dog, isn't He's wild.
• 54:25
  Yeah, just crazy shit. I think he was living in a van.
• 54:29
  They're like running across America or something.
• 54:32
  He was breaking like a 4 minute mile in every state or
• 54:35
  something. The way runners are like quite
• 54:38
  introverted and like nerdy and stuff.
• 54:41
  He's just not that guy. He's like this wild outgoing
• 54:44
  explorer and bloody wild bastard.
• 54:48
  His his Instagram bio is like your mom's favorite runner or
• 54:51
  something like that. So the women's 1500 meter field,
• 54:57
  we've taken our time with this preview but given in depth
• 55:00
  insights here. Who who stands out here?
• 55:04
  Sarah Billings of Australia And did you say Jess Hall earlier,
• 55:09
  Owen? She's in the 3K.
• 55:13
  She's in the 3K Sarah Calvis of Great Britain is also in the
• 55:17
  1500 meters, as well as Sinclair Johnson, the homegrown athlete
• 55:22
  from the US, Isabel Buffy from Great Britain, and Gracie
• 55:26
  Morris, who's also just represented the US.
• 55:30
  Yeah, I presume, like all these New Balance athletes are like,
• 55:34
  made to come over for this one because, like, your one Naomi
• 55:37
  Tanaka, that woman races like everything.
• 55:40
  She's over. Sarah's a New Balance out late.
• 55:48
  But yeah, I don't know. I think Sarah is going to have a
• 55:51
  massive year this year, and she had a really big year last year.
• 55:54
  So building on to that, you'd love to see her do well.
• 55:57
  I'll I'll go Sinclair Johnson for the for the win then.
• 56:03
  She won that road mile in Hawaii, didn't she?
• 56:07
  Yeah, and by a bit of a straight cry.
• 56:11
  Yeah, she was she she beat the man as well, didn't she?
• 56:13
  That was the like kind of first across the line 1.
• 56:16
  Yeah, I don't think I'll be getting much from the bookies on
• 56:19
  that one. No, but you always go for the
• 56:21
  favorite. Didn't hurt you going for the
• 56:26
  writing. Silver medalist in the in the
• 56:31
  men's Rats, No. And the gold medalist isn't
• 56:35
  running real risk taker Ryan. Who have you got for the long
• 56:43
  odds? Who's the juicy option?
• 56:48
  Dorcas Awoi. Oh.
• 56:52
  Just go as long as Owen. As long as Owen and his drug
• 56:54
  testers aren't there. Jeez.
• 56:59
  You better have gone for the Ethiopian then.
• 57:05
  Oh dear. All right, 3K.
• 57:07
  Women's 3K and Jess Hall is toeing the line here as well as
• 57:12
  Alex Millard of Great Britain. Hannah not all of Great Britain,
• 57:15
  Ellie Saint Pierre of USA, so bit of a studded field, this
• 57:20
  one. Your money's undressed.
• 57:22
  Although I think Ellie Saint Pierre, she's come back from her
• 57:26
  second kid, isn't she? Is she?
• 57:28
  I know. Something.
• 57:29
  But yeah, just all just a class above the rest.
• 57:32
  I'll go Saint Pierre and upset. And Ryan, you're in trouble
• 57:35
  here. I'm pretty sure Turkey could be
• 57:42
  the most eclotic country in the in the start list, but didn't
• 57:47
  Ellie Saint Pierre? Did she beat Jess Hull World
• 57:52
  indoors last year? Oh yeah, she's good in the
• 57:54
  indoors I. Think that was last year, maybe
• 57:57
  it was the year before, but I feel like they've definitely
• 58:00
  raced off in a 3K before. Well, let's put a watch on the
• 58:04
  Australian women's 3000 metre record here because Georgia
• 58:08
  Griffith is the current record holder with 824.2 and Jess Hall
• 58:15
  has the second fastest time of 824.39 from both times from
• 58:20
  2024. So I mean she's there about
• 58:23
  already and I dare say she is in shape to lower that.
• 58:27
  Yeah, that's fast, especially, I don't know, is it easier to run
• 58:30
  a 3K indoor? No, yeah.
• 58:32
  I think Georgia Bell, Georgia Griffith won that by a lot as
• 58:36
  well. She was out on her own, I think
• 58:39
  I remember. So hopefully.
• 58:41
  And Jess will have like Ellie Saint Pierre toner around or
• 58:44
  something like that. Yeah, that's all from New Bones.
• 58:49
  I'll just have a look what Ellie Saint Pierre has run previously.
• 58:53
  She's the reigning US record holder as well.
• 58:55
  She's run 820.87 so around 4 seconds quicker than Jess.
• 59:01
  Shocked didn't go for the favorite again.
• 59:04
  I think, I think let her away with it.
• 59:06
  She might have had a had a kid. I mean, if you're going to give
• 59:08
  me the options, pick in second, I'll take him.
• 59:13
  I'm just playing sweeper. And next, so that event is on
• 59:19
  the 24th. So a day later is did Doctor
• 59:23
  Sanders meet, which this is a mile, and the winner of the
• 59:30
  Doctor Sanders meet gets thrown in the what's the name of that
• 59:36
  one in America? The one Melrose.
• 59:40
  Melrose. Game.
• 59:41
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one Maker Mile, so the
• 59:45
  winner of this one gets put on that, but this one it feels
• 59:47
  pretty stacked as well. So you've got Cam Myers and he's
• 59:51
  a long week, busy weekend, and you've got Festus Liga from he
• 59:57
  runs with Under Armour, Adam Fogg, another Under Armour guy,
• 1:00:02
  Amon Camboy, Eric Holt, Adam Spencer, He's still in college,
• 1:00:07
  that kid. And Luke Houser, another big
• 1:00:12
  American name. But yeah, yet, Dean, I'm going
• 1:00:16
  to let you pick Cam Myers first here.
• 1:00:19
  Well, I'm going to go out in a limb and say maybe he doesn't
• 1:00:22
  race like what he's. Do you think he's going to race
• 1:00:25
  both? If he's got a start list, do you
• 1:00:28
  reckon he's maybe he ran the 3:49 to get a start in the
• 1:00:32
  Wanamaker Mile? Maybe.
• 1:00:34
  I think he was in that Wanamaker mile already to be honest.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah. So I if he's, I don't think he's
• 1:00:38
  going to be in because this is in two different states.
• 1:00:41
  I think Boston and is Doctor Sanders New York.
• 1:00:45
  And what did you call Ryan Perry?
• 1:00:48
  Strava post as to which race he'd be doing.
• 1:00:51
  Did he say Boston and Melrose? Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  So what does that mean he's doing?
• 1:00:57
  Not this. Yeah, he's doing the 3K more
• 1:00:59
  likely are you needs a scratch for this because this is like a
• 1:01:02
  tear down. And I thought that Adam Fogg
• 1:01:04
  maybe won this last year to get himself a star in the Wanna make
• 1:01:08
  a mile. Yeah, you'd love to see him win
• 1:01:11
  it again, wouldn't you? Or is this was this fairy water
• 1:01:15
  in the the new kit is that? White one, Yeah, I was told
• 1:01:21
  about that. He really liked that kit though.
• 1:01:23
  Mate he he peaked early in the in the ear didn't he with that
• 1:01:27
  kit in that run. This is the grey half tights.
• 1:01:33
  Yeah, borderline. See through.
• 1:01:36
  Is it that was it a mark We're talking about Under Armour
• 1:01:39
  shoes, like flying under the radar.
• 1:01:41
  That was a good marketing stump from Under Armour there.
• 1:01:44
  Yeah, yeah. And he was flying in that race.
• 1:01:51
  Took, pardon the pun, took some balls to wear them.
• 1:01:57
  Yeah. I think maybe that Eric Holt is
• 1:02:01
  like a bit of a dark horse in this.
• 1:02:03
  Another bit of a a Mad Dog. I can't remember.
• 1:02:06
  Was it the coffee Club Interviewed him a while ago.
• 1:02:09
  And his back story is like so interesting.
• 1:02:11
  He's kind of he was a nobody and then he just turned up on the
• 1:02:15
  scene and was like started smacking people up but didn't
• 1:02:18
  really understand running. And he's kind of like just went
• 1:02:22
  with it as it's gone. So yeah, he's he's an
• 1:02:25
  interesting character. Yeah.
• 1:02:27
  And the US trials, I think they talk about in that podcast, but
• 1:02:31
  he sort of, he was building a bit of momentum ahead of those
• 1:02:34
  trials, getting fitter and fitter and then was mixing it
• 1:02:39
  with guys that are completely decked out and heap a good kit.
• 1:02:42
  And he was, yeah, unattached. And I think it was a mixture of
• 1:02:48
  both his performance but also his persona that he ended up
• 1:02:51
  landing a deal which was really cool off the back of some good
• 1:02:54
  performances at the US Olympic trials.
• 1:02:58
  I'm pretty sure he's unattached again.
• 1:02:59
  I don't think he's with PM anymore.
• 1:03:01
  I think that's what he said. Enough Coffee Club podcast,
• 1:03:05
  yeah. But yeah, I think that's all.
• 1:03:07
  The Indoors are coming up next week.
• 1:03:09
  Pardon the pun, but my tip will be Adam Fogg.
• 1:03:12
  Oh yeah. Or like, yeah, like Adam Spencer
• 1:03:16
  always does well in these races. Feel like you can see Adam Fogg
• 1:03:20
  coming through the pack here, or Adam Spencer.
• 1:03:23
  Who's who Are you going to go? You're going to go there.
• 1:03:26
  Oh, I'm going friend and fog. Fog Dog.
• 1:03:29
  Yeah, fog dog Woof. We have to be team fog dog,
• 1:03:32
  don't we? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:35
  Back our boy training weeks then we are, only you're in a bit of
• 1:03:42
  a rush. I know I'm just going to enter.
• 1:03:46
  Basically I've got a race. I have to enter a 2 so you guys
• 1:03:49
  can talk about your training weeks and I'll just enter this
• 1:03:51
  race because it's sold out in 15 minutes last year so.
• 1:03:54
  No way. Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  I need to be on the ball. It's a 3K, it's the Belfast
• 1:03:59
  Classic. So yeah, I'm really on my phone
• 1:04:03
  refreshing and on the web browser refreshing to try and
• 1:04:06
  get into this. So basically he's tuning into
• 1:04:10
  our wakes as per normal. I'm super interested.
• 1:04:16
  Literally, you're doing running. It used to be a hamstring in the
• 1:04:19
  air. It just.
• 1:04:22
  Going. Across the screen.
• 1:04:24
  That's right. Where are those hard boiled
• 1:04:26
  eggs? Too early.
• 1:04:28
  Well, actually it's 2:00 here now, so I'm nearly due a bit of
• 1:04:32
  lunch. Brian, did you want to go
• 1:04:34
  through your wake or you want us to?
• 1:04:37
  I can go quickly and then you can give us a full training week
• 1:04:41
  because I've had a sneaky peek at your Strava.
• 1:04:45
  Yes, obviously I was away so kind of running took priority.
• 1:04:50
  Didn't have access to a bike. So the kind of the cross train,
• 1:04:53
  cross training has gone on the back burners a little bit.
• 1:04:56
  This week or the week prior I was able to through the gym,
• 1:04:59
  gyms in the hotels. But this week there's just been,
• 1:05:03
  I think I'd done four runs in the end, one of them had 10
• 1:05:08
  minutes of like steady in it. It's annoying because my heart
• 1:05:12
  rate monitor, right. I took it off to wash the strap
• 1:05:15
  in the shower and then it was on the washing line outside drying
• 1:05:19
  out. And then I went to pack my bag
• 1:05:21
  to leave and the the strap had miraculously disappeared off the
• 1:05:26
  washing line when Becky brought the washing in, but she claims
• 1:05:31
  that she she hadn't sighted it. So there's, there's a few
• 1:05:35
  unconfirmed stories going on, but I wasn't able to therefore
• 1:05:38
  take my heart rate monitor away with me.
• 1:05:40
  So any cross training that I was doing, I wasn't able to actually
• 1:05:45
  understand what sort of volume I was doing.
• 1:05:47
  But anyway, I'd done four runs each of 35 minutes.
• 1:05:51
  One of them had like 10 minutes of steady efforts in it, which
• 1:05:56
  was almost like threshold effort, which is good fun
• 1:05:58
  considering it's like 4 minute case.
• 1:06:01
  And then two of those runs were actually on back-to-back days,
• 1:06:05
  which to be honest is pretty naughty of me because it was I
• 1:06:08
  haven't seen Steve for like 3 weeks.
• 1:06:10
  So the program had went up until this point where I'm running
• 1:06:14
  half an hour every other day. And yeah, maybe I will get told
• 1:06:20
  off for doing that, but it's kinda to, this isn't really a
• 1:06:24
  justification. We are running with our friend
• 1:06:27
  up there the next day. And I was kind of at the point
• 1:06:30
  where like I've just been getting so much positive
• 1:06:32
  reinforcement for the past month or so.
• 1:06:34
  I was like, well, I'll just try a back-to-back day and kind of
• 1:06:37
  see I'm going to have to try it eventually.
• 1:06:40
  But Steve probably would have said we'll do half an hour today
• 1:06:43
  and then if you're going to run tomorrow, just do like 15
• 1:06:46
  minutes. But I've done 35 back-to-back.
• 1:06:49
  And I think it was OK, to be honest with you, no different
• 1:06:52
  than how it's felt all the way along.
• 1:06:54
  And then I've just resumed back and going every other day
• 1:06:58
  because I think I'm due in with Steve next week to kind of look
• 1:07:02
  at how we increase the frequency now seen as the volume is up to
• 1:07:06
  40 minutes tomorrow. So yeah, certainly getting back
• 1:07:10
  to where we want to be. And how is the how do you feel
• 1:07:14
  just getting up to that steady pace a bit of fun?
• 1:07:17
  Yeah, good fun because you're not going fast, but you're
• 1:07:20
  working hard so it doesn't really matter.
• 1:07:22
  Yeah. The the effect is the effect and
• 1:07:26
  it's good fun because you, you just know that you get faster
• 1:07:29
  anyway just off doing that sort of shit.
• 1:07:32
  That's awesome. I failed to admit that, you
• 1:07:35
  know, last week I'd done the Centennial Park run in Sydney.
• 1:07:39
  My plan was to just run like 4 fifteens or something because 5K
• 1:07:44
  then would have, I know it would have been within my targeted
• 1:07:49
  allowance of like running time. And then I was doing so and then
• 1:07:54
  the last Ki was like, oh this has been fine, I'll just pick it
• 1:07:57
  up a bit towards the line and run past a few people.
• 1:08:00
  Like what a fucking idiot and what am I even saying out loud
• 1:08:03
  here? And then I looked at my watch
• 1:08:06
  after the race and I ran the last K in 326 and I was like, Oh
• 1:08:09
  yeah, that's a bit naughty. So yeah, back to normal now.
• 1:08:18
  The the the the fire still burnt bright but then just wanted to
• 1:08:23
  check. Still got that smoke somewhere
• 1:08:25
  there. Yeah, was back up back on the
• 1:08:27
  old two wheels today. Did say that.
• 1:08:32
  Yeah, the boys cycling club was scared to see me back on two
• 1:08:37
  wheels. See that?
• 1:08:40
  No. Were you back on there yesterday
• 1:08:42
  or? No, but I rode today and I've
• 1:08:45
  made it public on Strava and Ant.
• 1:08:49
  He post comment did he? He tagged Santi and said we're
• 1:08:54
  in trouble again. Fucking hell, the fact that you
• 1:08:59
  know, you've got cycling Bros, like, what have you become?
• 1:09:03
  Well, this is it. This morning I joined you for a
• 1:09:06
  coffee after your run, didn't I? And I was copping a bit of shit
• 1:09:09
  off Susie because I was stood there in full lycra.
• 1:09:12
  Lycra bottoms. I couldn't believe it.
• 1:09:15
  Santa has been all Father. Christmas has been very kind to
• 1:09:19
  you. The sad transition has been
• 1:09:22
  made, but now we're going to try and transition back.
• 1:09:26
  So yeah, it's good we're getting there.
• 1:09:29
  How about you? Yeah, another another week of
• 1:09:33
  progress. I think I can whip through it,
• 1:09:38
  but yeah, this week, at the moment, this time of year,
• 1:09:42
  there's a couple of times a year where work's particularly busy.
• 1:09:46
  So what that's meant is, yeah, just a lot of commutes, really.
• 1:09:51
  Not that I was going to do much else, but yeah, commuted into
• 1:09:55
  the office as per just like old times on a Monday and then that.
• 1:10:00
  Means you're back. It look, in some ways it is,
• 1:10:03
  yeah. So this must be the second or
• 1:10:06
  third week where I've started commuting again.
• 1:10:08
  And, and I did say to a couple of months ago how how excited I
• 1:10:13
  would be just at the ability to be able to commute.
• 1:10:15
  So it has been really nice. Yeah.
• 1:10:18
  Commuted into the office on Monday and then commuted to the
• 1:10:21
  gym, did a full lift like session there and then ran home
• 1:10:27
  from there. And even that's an improvement.
• 1:10:29
  Like I had attempted that about three or four weeks ago.
• 1:10:34
  And the run after the gym after doing a heap of like a exercises
• 1:10:39
  in and around that area was too much and I regretted running
• 1:10:43
  home after that was a bit sore. So yeah, for that to all be
• 1:10:48
  pleasant, it was nice. Tuesday just 30 minutes in the
• 1:10:51
  morning and then in the afternoon I did 3K warm up and
• 1:10:56
  then 3 by 8 minutes on the treadmill at 17 1/2 KS, an hour
• 1:11:01
  on the tready and then yeah, 3K cooldown.
• 1:11:06
  What 17 1/2 KS an hour pays. 33 to 25 per K.
• 1:11:13
  How's that feeling? Yeah it feels fine, maybe half
• 1:11:17
  but fairly much like a mild degree of discomfort but not
• 1:11:21
  anything too severe. But I just find if I the quicker
• 1:11:27
  I go the the more likely it is to be a bit uncomfortable.
• 1:11:31
  So I'm just trying to do as much as I can without getting going
• 1:11:35
  too quick and and so these moderate work, this moderate
• 1:11:38
  work seems to be the safest way to do it.
• 1:11:40
  And I'm just trying to layer in training load and and jogging
• 1:11:44
  seems the easiest way to layer in load without angering my
• 1:11:48
  pelvis. So.
• 1:11:49
  And how does that sort of pace feel on your lungs and reflect
• 1:11:53
  on your heart rate? On the treaty, it's really hard
• 1:11:57
  to tell because it's not very high, but I think that's often a
• 1:12:01
  function of the trendy treadmill running for me.
• 1:12:03
  Like it's harder to get the heart rate as high, but I did
• 1:12:06
  the same workout on Saturday so I get a bit more of an
• 1:12:10
  indication there. I'm the same on the treadmill.
• 1:12:13
  I struggled to get my heart rate high because I think the
• 1:12:16
  treadmill does a lot more work. Yeah.
• 1:12:18
  Does like work for you? Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  But like, that's not a bad thing either because just way more
• 1:12:23
  controlled so. So yeah.
• 1:12:26
  So my heart rate average was 150.
• 1:12:29
  One beats average pace was 336 with my the two-minute jog in
• 1:12:37
  between. But yeah, maybe it got up to
• 1:12:41
  like 160 heart rate, which is that that's like steady for you
• 1:12:46
  typically, isn't it? That's what.
• 1:12:48
  I mean, yeah, whereas so. I mean, I take that, but it
• 1:12:53
  wasn't that it wasn't that flattering when I was on the on
• 1:12:56
  the ground. Later on, later in the week,
• 1:13:00
  Wednesday ran into the office and then yeah, they start
• 1:13:03
  turning into night runs so late running home.
• 1:13:09
  And then again Thursday. I was going to do another steady
• 1:13:13
  do something on Thursday but I didn't leave the office till
• 1:13:15
  about 11:00 so I just jogged straight home.
• 1:13:20
  So you in the office there from 8:30?
• 1:13:24
  AM ish until 11:00 PM Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:29
  It's a long day. So literally just and so when
• 1:13:31
  they were getting that long, like I was working the night
• 1:13:34
  some other other nights, I was just wrecked by the end of the
• 1:13:36
  week. So I just jogged again Thursday.
• 1:13:39
  Just in and out of the office Friday.
• 1:13:41
  The same in and out of the. Office on that 11:00 PM day, how
• 1:13:46
  much money you're. Spending on food in the office
• 1:13:48
  there we get end of year like snacks so.
• 1:13:53
  We have like and none of it's good like a lot of like
• 1:13:57
  chocolates and lollies and those sorts of things.
• 1:13:59
  So between that and then we will order in food.
• 1:14:03
  So yeah, I wouldn't say it's the most nutritious meals, but
• 1:14:11
  certainly caloric intakes out there.
• 1:14:14
  But like, you don't really work for the rest of the year then,
• 1:14:16
  so it's alright, isn't that? But it says the.
• 1:14:21
  Bloke that you just you just got in from your sleep pod with that
• 1:14:24
  one or. The LIT team is, I think, bigger
• 1:14:30
  than like. Our engineering team at the
• 1:14:33
  minute, it's crazy. It's what a what a world.
• 1:14:37
  Hey, what a skill set I have. Oh, you're busy, Flat out
• 1:14:40
  cybersecurity, all that sort of stuff.
• 1:14:42
  If these are hiring, I'll come back over to Perth mate, you
• 1:14:45
  know, come join. Me.
• 1:14:47
  Communicate with me. Yeah, man, we could.
• 1:14:49
  Have so much fun. We could double double T.
• 1:14:52
  There's a guy. There's a guy who's got system.
• 1:14:55
  Issues now and Owens just had. Them on hold for the past 90
• 1:14:57
  minutes. Just turn on and off.
• 1:15:06
  It took us 40 episodes for me to sort my for you to get me to
• 1:15:09
  sort. My audio out so tired remotely
• 1:15:14
  have you? Tried changing the settings.
• 1:15:20
  So. Yeah, Saturday, Bit of a.
• 1:15:22
  Sleep in and then I went out to Lake Mungo for a on foot semi
• 1:15:26
  workout. So I did a lap as a warm up, few
• 1:15:30
  strides and then yeah, same 3 by 8 minutes.
• 1:15:33
  Tried to keep it around that 325 pace for the 8 minutes and then
• 1:15:37
  around 4 minutes or just under for the for the jogs felt
• 1:15:41
  decent. Like didn't didn't feel
• 1:15:43
  completely not uncomfortable, but didn't feel felt like I
• 1:15:49
  still got out and did 90 minutes today, but heart rate up.
• 1:15:53
  So heart rate at 171 to 20 beats higher for that one, albeit
• 1:15:57
  around lunchtime, but it wasn't particularly hot and I'm
• 1:16:00
  probably a bit tired to be honest after a pretty big
• 1:16:03
  working week. How does it feel like
• 1:16:05
  mechanically to hit 320? Fives.
• 1:16:08
  Obviously it's a little bit tough on the breathing side of
• 1:16:12
  things. Not too bad.
• 1:16:14
  Like not not, you know. It's taken a while though, like
• 1:16:19
  the first time, you know, when I did those strides maybe a month
• 1:16:21
  ago at the track, felt awful. I felt those hundred and 50s
• 1:16:26
  felt terrible like mechanically and stuff.
• 1:16:28
  But now like that sort of pace doesn't feel unpleasant, feels
• 1:16:32
  fine. So the hope is just to try and
• 1:16:35
  do a bit more of it really. I'm still, it's just like I did
• 1:16:40
  90 minutes. So then I've done 90 minutes
• 1:16:42
  cool down, did 90 minutes today and it just feels I'm just a bit
• 1:16:45
  tight. Like my hammy gets a bit tight,
• 1:16:47
  my doctor gets a bit tight, my right glute gets a bit tight.
• 1:16:50
  Like it's all as I'm loading everything up.
• 1:16:53
  Everything's a bit unpleasant, but it's not.
• 1:16:58
  Terrible SO. Week of about 120 something
• 1:17:03
  case. Yeah.
• 1:17:05
  Ticket. You know, ticking boxes better
• 1:17:08
  than the week before. Yeah.
• 1:17:11
  Hopefully. Onwards and upwards.
• 1:17:13
  You're good. Nice week.
• 1:17:17
  And you, you took. You took my.
• 1:17:18
  Friend on a little tour of Perth.
• 1:17:20
  This morning, didn't you? We did.
• 1:17:22
  In the long run, yeah. Do you say if?
• 1:17:25
  He enjoyed that, Yeah, he said. He loved the roost and he loved.
• 1:17:30
  He loved the easy pace because otherwise he would have been
• 1:17:34
  flogging himself. I think he was fearful of like 4
• 1:17:37
  fifteens or something and it being a bit of a grind for 90
• 1:17:39
  minutes. Yeah, that was what I was hoping
• 1:17:42
  to do. But the will be the bit.
• 1:17:44
  Of a group so kept it social. Who's your friend?
• 1:17:47
  Wasn't there to just drop everyone.
• 1:17:52
  Who's this friend? Like a friend from school is
• 1:17:57
  over. Visiting at the minute and he
• 1:17:59
  runs, he's run 17 low or. Something but he kind of like.
• 1:18:04
  Dips in and out, like he'll train for a bit, maybe do one
• 1:18:07
  race and then go to weightlifting and then come back
• 1:18:10
  to running. So at the minute he's in his
• 1:18:12
  little running spell. So you let him off with Dean of
• 1:18:15
  our people? Fed into the wolves?
• 1:18:18
  No, I wasn't very kind. We're we're, we're we Josh and
• 1:18:23
  and a bit of his training group. So we had a yeah, it was maybe
• 1:18:28
  what, six of us, Suzanne, like a yeah, like a maybe, yeah, 68.
• 1:18:38
  So it's quite it was very nice. Yeah.
• 1:18:40
  Josh is a good regulator of pace, isn't he?
• 1:18:43
  Keeps it. Sensible kept it very, very,
• 1:18:45
  very sensible, so we all stayed together.
• 1:18:48
  But yeah, that's my week, right? Like a crack on mine.
• 1:18:53
  Yeah, we want to hear about this super session.
• 1:18:56
  It's not super. It was super painful, but all
• 1:18:59
  right. Starting Monday, so I took the
• 1:19:02
  morning off and then in the evening I am done. 45 minutes
• 1:19:08
  easy. I yeah, 45 minutes, 9.5 K and
• 1:19:15
  then I actually went to the physio after this just to get
• 1:19:20
  some like needle dry needling done just to try and help my
• 1:19:23
  legs recover as much as possible because my quads were were wrote
• 1:19:28
  off. Put it that way.
• 1:19:30
  Tuesday then I was actually meant to have my first sort of
• 1:19:34
  like session back, but I said I'd scrap that so I don't have
• 1:19:39
  45 minute elliptical in the morning.
• 1:19:41
  And then I jogged for 45 minutes in the evening again and that
• 1:19:45
  was like 10K at 4:20 sixes. So the legs were starting to
• 1:19:50
  come around, but I feel like if I'd done the session on the
• 1:19:53
  Tuesday, it just would have put me in a hole like that.
• 1:19:57
  Couple of hours extra recovery does the world to you.
• 1:20:00
  So yeah, Wednesday morning. Treadmill run so it was 3 by 8
• 1:20:07
  minutes off 3 minute float and so yeah, the quads start.
• 1:20:13
  I felt after the race the quads were the part of my body, quads
• 1:20:16
  on my ankle and sort of hurt the most.
• 1:20:19
  And so yeah, I think I started off at like 315 on the
• 1:20:23
  treadmill. The second 8 minutes was 310 and
• 1:20:26
  then at the last 8 minutes was like three O 8 or something like
• 1:20:30
  that. And with the ankle, like it was
• 1:20:32
  sore at the start. But as you get, as it warms up,
• 1:20:34
  it gets better. I think it's a little bit of
• 1:20:36
  tendonitis on my ankle because I was compensating on when I
• 1:20:39
  rolled it. So like I'm able to run on it.
• 1:20:42
  So it's and hop and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:20:44
  So it should be. I think she need to run through
• 1:20:46
  it. And on Wednesday evening I done
• 1:20:49
  my circuit class. Thursday I've done some more
• 1:20:54
  threshold. So I done 2 by 10 minutes.
• 1:20:58
  And this was outside. So yeah, the 10 normally like
• 1:21:05
  before the race I was thresholding around like 3O93O8
• 1:21:11
  let's say. But this Thursday morning it was
• 1:21:15
  the the like effort was super high for what I was running.
• 1:21:19
  So I think I was running like 315, but like my heart rate was
• 1:21:22
  super high. So I'm putting it down to
• 1:21:24
  fatigue, like still sort of being in the legs from the race
• 1:21:27
  and like a super cold morning, like up a half five and making
• 1:21:33
  loads of excuses. But yeah, that's one.
• 1:21:36
  It was 16 K wiping warp cool down and session.
• 1:21:40
  It was 16 K at like 4 or fives. And how come Josh should?
• 1:21:44
  Josh had commented. 20 question mark.
• 1:21:47
  I don't know because that was third, then Thursday.
• 1:21:50
  Evening I started doing gym again, so leading up to Valencia
• 1:21:54
  I said I didn't do gym for like 3 weeks and normally I do it
• 1:21:57
  like sort of twice a week between circuits and then a
• 1:22:00
  heavy sort of lift. So I've introduced that back
• 1:22:03
  into this session this week, my training this week.
• 1:22:06
  So that was Thursday evening, Friday totally off I went for,
• 1:22:12
  got a massage and then Saturday. So Saturday was a pretty
• 1:22:19
  straightforward session. It was just 8 * 400 meters with
• 1:22:25
  a 3 minute break in between each 400.
• 1:22:28
  So if you like, yeah. How fast are these four
• 1:22:32
  hundreds? So the set the whole aim of this
• 1:22:35
  session was. To basically just go as hard as
• 1:22:40
  I could, like dig myself a hole. You sound 62.
• 1:22:43
  I said to you. Hold on a minute.
• 1:22:45
  Oh, no. Yeah, usual warm up, cool down
• 1:22:48
  and all that. Sort of stuff.
• 1:22:50
  And you like I had Sarah, my Sarah training partner, she was,
• 1:22:57
  she'd run the 1st 200 and drop off with me drop off and then I
• 1:23:00
  carry on for 200. And so yes, started off 1st 400
• 1:23:08
  60 Oh yeah, perfect flood that system.
• 1:23:13
  Second 459. Oh no, because you know when you
• 1:23:19
  start a. Session 1, whatever you say is
• 1:23:22
  your. First one you now.
• 1:23:23
  Always want to better it as you know.
• 1:23:25
  I know I should have started like a 64 or something anyway.
• 1:23:29
  6060 and guys when I say every time I hit 200 meters I felt
• 1:23:35
  like I wanted to get sick like tight sniper Oh my God like.
• 1:23:41
  When I'd finish. I just, I couldn't catch my
• 1:23:43
  breath, even though I had three minutes to catch my breath.
• 1:23:46
  My legs were flooded. So then the fifth one was 63,
• 1:23:53
  the 6th 1 was a 62. Well, the rest of them were 60
• 1:23:58
  twos. So I sort of held it together.
• 1:23:59
  That's not bad at all. I forgot like every time I hit.
• 1:24:04
  So we. Started on a bend.
• 1:24:08
  We we yeah. So I started on like, let's say
• 1:24:12
  where the 300m mark is, if you get me.
• 1:24:17
  So I finished like coming around the bend and I, I don't know, I
• 1:24:20
  feel like it's easier to finish on a straight, but anyway, umm.
• 1:24:24
  But yeah, for the last like 300 meters, I genuinely felt I was
• 1:24:27
  like running a quicksand like my arms.
• 1:24:29
  I felt accepted on with the arms, just arms going
• 1:24:31
  everywhere. Did you guys ever do workouts in
• 1:24:35
  high school or when you were younger like.
• 1:24:37
  So I I did a bit of like running as a kid and you would get to
• 1:24:41
  the end of the session and that last 400 almost be that feeling
• 1:24:44
  where it's like, OK, I I wouldn't be able to do another
• 1:24:47
  Rep. You know, like I'm that flooded
• 1:24:50
  that if you asked me to try, I just wouldn't finish.
• 1:24:53
  Like that's what you the talks for taking me back to those
• 1:24:56
  sorts of just high lactate. Yeah, so.
• 1:25:01
  After the last. One, it was pissing.
• 1:25:03
  Rain as well, because typical so do you know the way when you see
• 1:25:06
  them in like dull strum and all this and they're finished they
• 1:25:10
  can just lie on the ground yeah we can't lie on the ground here
• 1:25:12
  because it's fucking so so umm I went into the clubhouse and I
• 1:25:16
  literally just. Sat on the.
• 1:25:17
  Stairs for like 10-15 minutes I couldn't lift my head up by such
• 1:25:21
  a headache I felt like getting sick.
• 1:25:23
  I Gen. I'd never done a session like
• 1:25:25
  this before in my life and I don't know how people train like
• 1:25:28
  that like that. I'm eleven Lac trap club.
• 1:25:31
  They do a load to them lactic sessions like I don't know how.
• 1:25:34
  No, it'll do me the world of good, but because I've never
• 1:25:37
  like put my body like true that stimulus before, but umm, yeah,
• 1:25:42
  I wouldn't want to be doing that often.
• 1:25:44
  Did you, did you take any bicarb or nomio or anything like that?
• 1:25:48
  Ahead of it, no, I see. I I felt like the point of this.
• 1:25:52
  Session was to suffer so tick I just yeah, yeah, tick.
• 1:25:58
  It was ticked after Rep 2 after I was like just going to be a
• 1:26:02
  long more 6 reps but yeah, it's super, super hard.
• 1:26:07
  I'm like on my cool down. My first K was like a 640, which
• 1:26:15
  yeah, it's not normally what the speed I got right cool down
• 1:26:19
  that. But look, it was grand that
• 1:26:22
  evening. I came around and I I don't 45
• 1:26:26
  minutes. So 10K four 30s and I was grand.
• 1:26:30
  It was just like for that like half an hour after the session I
• 1:26:33
  was just totally wrote off like in bits.
• 1:26:37
  Any dumbs in like your arms or your shoulders off all?
• 1:26:40
  The swinging because I can remember like one or two
• 1:26:43
  occasions of having Dom's in my arms the next day, just swimming
• 1:26:47
  down that last straight my arms weren't that bad, but this
• 1:26:51
  morning when I woke up my. Hamstrings, I felt like I'm
• 1:26:54
  like, that was the first time I've used my hamstrings like
• 1:26:56
  ever have Yeah, they're tight. So for my long run this morning,
• 1:27:01
  I got up like 7 just like stretched them out and like
• 1:27:03
  rolled them out just to get the moving again.
• 1:27:06
  But yeah, this morning I got out and done 90 minutes and with a
• 1:27:11
  15 minute like bit of threshold in the middle.
• 1:27:15
  So that was 23 kilometers in 350 sevens average.
• 1:27:19
  So yeah, I think that's 96 K for the week.
• 1:27:25
  And yeah, just slowly pick it back up now for a little while
• 1:27:31
  until arm, I think of a 1500 meter in two week, in two weeks.
• 1:27:35
  So that'll be interesting to see.
• 1:27:37
  Try and break 4 minutes. Hopefully we'll see what
• 1:27:40
  happens. But yeah, just wants to go with
• 1:27:44
  the 1500 just to a bit more. Fun than than than serious, but
• 1:27:49
  hopefully just prime you for the 5K.
• 1:27:51
  Yeah, basically see what I can do or feel like I've never ran
• 1:27:53
  one before and. I feel like it's such like AI
• 1:27:56
  don't know, let's say a sexy event like everyone like likes
• 1:28:00
  the 1500. So just to see what I can do in
• 1:28:02
  it. And yeah, it won't like it'll
• 1:28:05
  help the light speed because like, yeah, like that again,
• 1:28:08
  like if you're running 60s or 60 twos when you go back to the 5K
• 1:28:13
  then you're like 6867. That should feel like easier.
• 1:28:16
  So that's the plan. But yeah, I just have to be
• 1:28:21
  careful. Like again, this, I'm going to
• 1:28:22
  be super cautious now for the next couple of days because like
• 1:28:25
  I'd like 10K like only this time last week, hard chest in hard
• 1:28:29
  session yesterday. So that's why you took it easy
• 1:28:32
  in that 15 minutes or? Threshold today.
• 1:28:37
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. Heart rate looked looked like it
• 1:28:44
  was up a. Bit in that long run, but that's
• 1:28:46
  why I have. Yeah, it was, but I'm carrying
• 1:28:48
  the fatigue down from yesterday. As well, and it looked like it
• 1:28:51
  was hilly as well. Hey, yeah, it's sort of hilly.
• 1:28:54
  Not hard. That's a.
• 1:28:55
  That's a solid 90. Minutes of work.
• 1:28:58
  And what was the elevation 100 and. 44 meters.
• 1:29:01
  So yeah, that's that's decent amount.
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  What was the average heart? Rate, can you see that?
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  I don't know, I just you can. Just say yeah, 152 average high.
• 1:29:11
  Rate, so that's high for. Like.
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  That's like a moderate run. Not unusual.
• 1:29:17
  It's like your normal long. Run, but it's yeah, the
• 1:29:21
  threshold I'm allowed get up. Well, the aim for the threshold.
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  Is to get up like mid high one 70s yeah, so.
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  That would have, yeah. So look what I, what I wanted to
• 1:29:32
  do with the long run. I sort of got out of it.
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  So just now for the rest, try and loosen out the hamstrings
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  again because they started to seize up in that bit of
• 1:29:39
  threshold. And yeah, it was super icy.
• 1:29:42
  So I, I normally have a different route for this long
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  run and but I just don't my threshold around the track
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  because I was afraid of like slipping or freaking twist my
• 1:29:51
  ankle or something stupid. Good way, Yeah.
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  Although you're laughing about that session even though.
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  You regressed. Ever.
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  So slightly in the reps are still a ridiculous session
• 1:30:01
  really average what like 60.5 or something yeah but when you
• 1:30:05
  think about like the. Good boys who are running like
• 1:30:10
  1245, like are they holding them like they're holding like 62 for
• 1:30:15
  like 12 1/2 laps, which is like, it's actually hard to
• 1:30:20
  comprehend. When I'm doing A to them and
• 1:30:24
  I've 3 minutes break in between. It's phenomenal.
• 1:30:27
  It's just, yeah. It's crazy conditioning.
• 1:30:31
  Them boys. But yeah, look, it was decent.
• 1:30:34
  I won't be doing it again for a little while.
• 1:30:36
  Thank God. I'm like how 800 meter runners
• 1:30:40
  train and all that. Like, yeah, it's just torture.
• 1:30:43
  But also really fun. I feel like you've, you know,
• 1:30:46
  you and your coach. Are doing a good job of like how
• 1:30:49
  much fun is it to in terms of just mentally and stuff you get
• 1:30:53
  to try something that's completely different new
• 1:30:55
  stimulant, you know, very different stimulus for your body
• 1:30:58
  will help you for the 5K Yeah, but also just fun to RIP with
• 1:31:03
  the big, big recoveries like you've done a few now where
• 1:31:06
  those those longer recoveries and you know what is required of
• 1:31:10
  you, which is to suffer. Yeah.
• 1:31:13
  And I feel like it's a a certain type of training I've never done
• 1:31:15
  before, like I've never done 1. Alactic session like that.
• 1:31:18
  So sort of like another thing that will hopefully like sort of
• 1:31:22
  improve me long term. So yeah, but I feel like I just
• 1:31:25
  had to get the base in or my coaches, like you have to get a
• 1:31:27
  base in to before you do that type of stuff or else you just
• 1:31:30
  breakdown. So yeah, we'll know in a couple
• 1:31:33
  of weeks if I was strong enough. She sounds like a very wise man,
• 1:31:37
  Mr. Pass. That's it.
• 1:31:40
  Very wise. Did you say what?
• 1:31:42
  Shoes you wore for this? Were you in Spikes?
• 1:31:45
  Also I oh before that. Before the 8 by 400, I don't a 6
• 1:31:51
  minute threshold as well. So I don't the six minute
• 1:31:53
  threshold in my Romeros, just my standard Romeros.
• 1:31:59
  And then I done the session in Streak Flies.
• 1:32:03
  So basically a spike, the closest thing to a spike without
• 1:32:07
  wearing a spike. But yeah, I really like them.
• 1:32:11
  But I'll wear the I'll wear the Puma ones again for for armor,
• 1:32:17
  Yeah. Did we talk about the shoes for
• 1:32:18
  the rest? I don't even.
• 1:32:20
  Know, but yeah, I wore. That Puma fast or threes, Yeah.
• 1:32:25
  And what do you what were your impressions out of?
• 1:32:29
  All the Super SO. Super shoes I've tried are some
• 1:32:32
  old Nike Alpha Flies and wore them in 10 mile when I came home
• 1:32:39
  and they gave me blisters so they're never going to be worn
• 1:32:42
  again. I've got these like second
• 1:32:45
  generation ASIC super shoes which I got when as soon as I
• 1:32:48
  arrived to Australia and I do some my treasure work in them.
• 1:32:52
  I do like them. I like when I feel the ground.
• 1:32:54
  That's why I think I'd like the Brooks ones that Jake wears
• 1:32:58
  because he says you can feel the ground in them a little bit more
• 1:33:00
  traditional type shoe. Yeah, I've got the New Balance.
• 1:33:04
  Super comfy for. Not a fan of them, they're too
• 1:33:06
  soft and then I've got these Puma ones, but I read they're
• 1:33:10
  firm on the ground so you can sort of feel the ground like
• 1:33:13
  feel the spring off. Whereas I'd love to try the ASIC
• 1:33:17
  ones as well, but umm, I'm they look super soft and squishy,
• 1:33:22
  which I don't think I'll like the New Balance ones, The new
• 1:33:25
  New Balance ones. I'd like to try them.
• 1:33:26
  I tried on Andrew's ones. He was changing his shoes and I
• 1:33:30
  just grabbed a pair and like tried them on.
• 1:33:32
  He was probably like, what the folks he doing, but umm, yeah,
• 1:33:37
  yeah, no. But I'm just so interested.
• 1:33:42
  In the shoes. But I feel like I'd like them as
• 1:33:44
  well. But yeah, I'm up for trying.
• 1:33:48
  I think I've seen a picture of him.
• 1:33:52
  He what? He ran Houston.
• 1:33:54
  He's a Brooks athlete. He trains with Connor Mance,
• 1:33:58
  Casey Clinger. I think he was wearing the new
• 1:34:00
  Brooks super shoe. And again, it looks like a firm
• 1:34:04
  or super shoot that's not too spongy and but I'd have to try
• 1:34:08
  them Hoker ones as well. Like they must be half decent if
• 1:34:11
  all the boys are running super fast.
• 1:34:13
  And that's just the issue that, yeah, that's another one I'd
• 1:34:18
  like to turn. Yeah, like that feels like to
• 1:34:21
  talking. About something that's a bit
• 1:34:22
  more. Traditional under foot like
• 1:34:25
  really grippy but but is a bit more neutral and you have to
• 1:34:29
  generate a bit of your own. But super responsive and snappy
• 1:34:32
  and lot like I think good shooter and they're also too
• 1:34:37
  expensive. You don't want to cough up.
• 1:34:39
  And that's important. But there's they're more sense
• 1:34:41
  of an Ireland than they're on Australia.
• 1:34:43
  Like an Ireland. They could be like €200, which
• 1:34:45
  is insane, $500 Australian dollars, which is fucking
• 1:34:49
  stupid. So you.
• 1:34:50
  Don't want to buy one and. Then not like it like you have
• 1:34:52
  to try them on the shop whilst on this The Shoe talk on last
• 1:34:56
  week's episode. Where we don't like the kind of
• 1:34:59
  the villain shoes of last year, the shit ones are the ones that
• 1:35:01
  we didn't get along with and we're talking about needing like
• 1:35:04
  some independent analysis and reviews of shoes.
• 1:35:08
  Chris from the WA Running podcast sent us a link to a
• 1:35:12
  website calledrunrepeat.com and he says check out this website
• 1:35:17
  for independent reviews of just about every shoe on the market.
• 1:35:20
  Reviewed to the absolute NTH degree, this website is the best
• 1:35:23
  genuine scientific analysis of every shoe.
• 1:35:26
  So yeah, that's runrepeat.com for any listeners who are
• 1:35:30
  interested. Could be a useful tool.
• 1:35:33
  Absolutely, because there's so much.
• 1:35:34
  Thanks for sending the shy out there.
• 1:35:36
  That just sell their soul, pun intended.
• 1:35:43
  Is that us for the? Week, Yeah.
• 1:35:47
  Yeah. Yeah, so you're, you had double
• 1:35:49
  trouble. Owen was around the the
• 1:35:51
  athletes. Not getting renewed and stuff
• 1:35:53
  like that. Wasn't it just for clarity for
• 1:35:55
  listeners contract situations? Like we just need more clarity.
• 1:36:00
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  Imagine easy double athletes. All right.
• 1:36:18
  Thanks very much. For tuning in for another week
• 1:36:21
  and. We shall see you next week for
• 1:36:22
  some more indoor results. Good luck guys, enjoy.
• 1:36:27
  Enjoy the song. Cheers boys, Cheers.