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Ep. 364: What Would Dan Infalt Do? · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode three and today
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  Speaker 1: the show, We've got Dan in Fault back with us,
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  Speaker 1: and today we're running through the what would you do?
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  Speaker 1: Gauntlet of hypothetical deer hunting scenarios. All right, welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're back with our third installment of this what
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  Speaker 1: would so and so do? Format series of sorts. This
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  Speaker 1: new idea that I started a few weeks ago, as
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  Speaker 1: you've heard me discuss, in which I'm trying to find
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  Speaker 1: new ways to get inside the minds of some of
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  Speaker 1: the best deer hunters in the country. Right, We've been
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  Speaker 1: doing this for seven years. We've talked to hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: different deer hunters. There's hundreds of different deer hunting podcasts
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  Speaker 1: out there now, and a lot of it's the kind
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  Speaker 1: of same thing. So how can we get to that
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  Speaker 1: next level? That's what I'm wondering, and that's what this story,
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  Speaker 1: this situational type approach attempts to do. If you haven't
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  Speaker 1: listened to the last couple episodes of John Eberhardt or
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  Speaker 1: Steve Bartilla, here's the gist. Basically, I'm going to present
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  Speaker 1: our guest today as Dan in fault with a hypothetical scenario,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'm going to ask him to explain what
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  Speaker 1: he would do and why he would do it. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Dan is probably familiar to a lot of you. He's
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  Speaker 1: been on the show I think three different times, um
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  Speaker 1: and he's just well known across many other platforms. He's
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  Speaker 1: the founder of the Hunting Beast forum and YouTube channel
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  Speaker 1: uh Hunting Beast Gear. He's been all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: He's really popularized, popular rised much of the much of
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  Speaker 1: the strategy around hunting buck beds and how you can
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  Speaker 1: really form your whole hunting premise around that. Um. So,
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  Speaker 1: if you are into hunting beds, if you're wanting to
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  Speaker 1: better understand buck betting ears, if you're interested in hunting
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  Speaker 1: hill country or swamp country, all these things are things
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  Speaker 1: that Dan really specializes in. He's a tremendous resource. If
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  Speaker 1: you have not heard our first couple episodes with him,
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  Speaker 1: I would recommend listening to those first, because that's where
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  Speaker 1: we kind of cover off on his basic things, like
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  Speaker 1: that's where we get to understand how he thinks about
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  Speaker 1: hill country betting, what he thinks about swamp betting, what
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  Speaker 1: he thinks about how you can predict where these betting
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  Speaker 1: locations are, and how to properly scout and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's where you get the foundational stuff. I kind of
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  Speaker 1: assume that knowledge in this conversation, and so I start
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  Speaker 1: asking Dan kind of the next level questions. I put
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  Speaker 1: out that scenario and then I asked, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: would you do if I put you with this slight
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  Speaker 1: variation or that variation. So having the background will help you. UM.
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  Speaker 1: That said, you don't have to do that. You can listen.
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  Speaker 1: You're probably gonna still get a lot from today too.
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  Speaker 1: But go back and search for Dan Infault in the
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  Speaker 1: Wired Done archives. He was in one of the first
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  Speaker 1: couple episodes. UM, and then he came back on again
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  Speaker 1: the following year in two thousand fifteen, and then finally
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  Speaker 1: he was on I think two summers ago. I brought
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  Speaker 1: him on and Andy May and Joe L. Singer helped
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  Speaker 1: me ask a bunch of questions and that was really
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  Speaker 1: helpful too. So today we cover a lot of different ground.
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  Speaker 1: We dive into some different approaches Dan has to hunting,
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  Speaker 1: farm ground. We do talk about swamp and hill country bedding.
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  Speaker 1: We examined some different scenarios with how Dan handles hunting
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  Speaker 1: pressure and different situations where other people mess up his
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  Speaker 1: hunts or where he messes up his hunts. UM. I
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  Speaker 1: do ask him some of the same questions I asked
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  Speaker 1: John Steve, so it's interesting to compare their responses, um
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  Speaker 1: and and just in general, I think this one is
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  Speaker 1: is fascinating to end up being, um just as good
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  Speaker 1: as I was hoping it was going to be. I
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  Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it. I think we'll just get right
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  Speaker 1: into it. Let you enjoy this one. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: do at least one more of these what would you
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  Speaker 1: do podcasts with someone very different. My goal here is
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  Speaker 1: to have like two guys that were very public land
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  Speaker 1: focused and two guys that have a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: of a management uh set of experiences, so we can
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  Speaker 1: compare and contrast those two styles, and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be helpful so well that all the way, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to mention one more thing, and that is
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  Speaker 1: just you know, every once in a while I want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure to thank everybody in the front of
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  Speaker 1: the episode for listening. I always mentioned at the end,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe some of you shut it off before then.
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  Speaker 1: So I just want to say, Hey, I appreciate you guys.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you listening. I appreciate you picking up copies
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  Speaker 1: of my book That Wild Country. I appreciate you guys
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  Speaker 1: following wire done on social media and engaging and commenting
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  Speaker 1: and you know, sending me messages and feedback, all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. It is. It's amazing. I appreciate it. It
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  Speaker 1: makes this whole thing a community, and that's a special thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that those of you that listen and
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  Speaker 1: that are part of this Wired Hunt community, you guys
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  Speaker 1: and girls are just some of the coolest hunters out
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  Speaker 1: there as far as I'm concerned. And I'm just glad
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  Speaker 1: to be able to do this thing called life and
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  Speaker 1: hunting with you guys uh here at least once a
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  Speaker 1: week on the show. So thanks for all that. I
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  Speaker 1: will also thank you for bearing with the advertisements, right,
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  Speaker 1: we have got to do these ads in the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I know that's annoying. Um, I bring this up, and
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  Speaker 1: I know I brought this up before. I bring it
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  Speaker 1: up because it's something that can be annoying to me too,
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  Speaker 1: all right. I know, listen to a show, I'm enjoying
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  Speaker 1: it and all of a sudden someone busts in with
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  Speaker 1: a life insurance ad. That's like, really, I feel that
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  Speaker 1: way too. I get it. It's just kind of what
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  Speaker 1: you gotta do to keep these things on the air
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  Speaker 1: these days. And so thank you. Thank you for your patience,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for smiling and laughing along when you hear me
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  Speaker 1: pitching you on some new thing. Um, it is what
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  Speaker 1: it is. I'm doing my best to keep this stuff
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  Speaker 1: interesting to give you lots and lots of value for free.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, thanks for coming along for the ride for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of it. So that is out of the way.
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  Speaker 1: I've talked for too long. I know you want to
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  Speaker 1: hear from Dan in Fault, So let's get right to
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  Speaker 1: it with our conversation with Dan in Fault, and we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna figure out what would Dan in Fault do. Alright,
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  Speaker 1: back with me on the line. We've got the one
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  Speaker 1: and only Dan in Fault. Dan, thank you for for
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  Speaker 1: hopping on the show. Agun, You're no problem. I was.
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  Speaker 1: We were just talking a second ago about you know,
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  Speaker 1: how times have changed a little bit for for you
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  Speaker 1: and what I've got going on over here. And gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I think the first time I had you on the
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  Speaker 1: podcast was one of the first maybe five or episodes
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  Speaker 1: of Wired Hunt ever, so that would have been back
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen, So that was seven years ago
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  Speaker 1: that we did our first podcast together. Um, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of crazy how fast that whole time period is gone.
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  Speaker 1: But but since I didn't realize that, Yeah, aren't that
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  Speaker 1: crazy since that point? How many different podcast episodes do
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  Speaker 1: you think you've done? Because you've been on our show,
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  Speaker 1: I think five times, four or five times, but I
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  Speaker 1: know there've been eight billion different podcasts out there. How
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  Speaker 1: many interviews like this have you had to do? I know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I uh, I usually say yes. Sstantly
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  Speaker 1: asked me, Um, you know if I have time, and
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  Speaker 1: I probably end up on at least one a week. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's amazing. That's that's just people probably people definitely don't
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  Speaker 1: realize what a what a commitment that is, like, what
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  Speaker 1: a time How generous you are with your time to
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  Speaker 1: do that. That's that's substantial. Thank you Dan for not
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  Speaker 1: only doing my podcast, but for doing everybody else's too,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm sure a lot of people are benefiting from that.
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  Speaker 1: Um that that is funny though, because it perfectly fits
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  Speaker 1: into my idea for today's show, because I've been thinking
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  Speaker 1: a lot lately about how you know, I've been doing
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  Speaker 1: this podcast for seven years, and since that, there's been
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of other podcasts that have started up, and
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  Speaker 1: everyone's chatting with everyone, and I've been trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out new ways to kind of dig into that next level.
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  Speaker 1: How can we learn something new from people even if
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  Speaker 1: we've talked to them before. How do we kind of
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  Speaker 1: dig in even deeper? And the idea I had was
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  Speaker 1: to start focusing more on specific scenarios. So I've started
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  Speaker 1: to do a kind of a what would so and
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  Speaker 1: so do? Series that meaning basically, out get someone like
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  Speaker 1: you on. And we've had a handful of the people already.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a few more folks after you, in
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  Speaker 1: which our whole chat is going to be specific situations.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna paint you a picture like it's this date,
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  Speaker 1: it's this time of month, and this is this scenario.
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  Speaker 1: What would you do? And so I'm gonna throw a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of hih patheticals, and then what I'm hoping you
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  Speaker 1: can do is is explain to me what you would
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  Speaker 1: do and why you would do that, what's your thought process,
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  Speaker 1: how would you do it? Um, and then we'll kind
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  Speaker 1: of dig in from there. It'll be kind of a
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  Speaker 1: starting point to talk about a whole bunch of different things.
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  Speaker 1: But um, but I think that I think that makes
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  Speaker 1: for an interesting and different kind of conversation and maybe
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  Speaker 1: a more interesting one for you too, after having done
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  Speaker 1: so many of these, does that does that sound interesting
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  Speaker 1: to you? Yeah? Absolutely? I mean the way questions are
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  Speaker 1: asked to make a breakup podcast obviously, and uh, being
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  Speaker 1: on a lot of them, meat, I noticed a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people just ask you the same questions over and
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  Speaker 1: over again, and it's pretty boring, you know. Um, You've
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  Speaker 1: always done a really good job of mixing things up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always uh, I always have fun coming out with
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  Speaker 1: you because I never know what to expect. Good. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I want. Try to keep you on your
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  Speaker 1: toes on this one too, So so good. I'm excited
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  Speaker 1: for it to Um. I've been trying to go back
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  Speaker 1: and watch some of the old videos and I've been
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  Speaker 1: reading some old threads I've been looking back at old
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  Speaker 1: things we've talked about and kind of just got a
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch of different ideas and situations percolating, as well
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  Speaker 1: as some situations that I've been in personally, or even
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  Speaker 1: some of my friends, some folks that are hunting Beast,
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  Speaker 1: very active hunting Beast members. We've kind of all put
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  Speaker 1: together a bunch of different situations that we're gonna throw
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  Speaker 1: you in and see what you do. So I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking we should just jump into it. If you're if
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  Speaker 1: you're ready to rock, I'm ready, all right, So we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna start kind of right now. It's as we're talking,
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  Speaker 1: it's August three. So let's say tonight, if you had
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  Speaker 1: time after we stopped, if we stopped talking, you decide
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  Speaker 1: that you're gonna go out driving around just kind of
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  Speaker 1: doing some general glassing. Maybe after dark you'll do a
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  Speaker 1: little bit shining. And you get out in your within
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  Speaker 1: the ballpark of some public land, but not right next
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  Speaker 1: to it. Maybe you're about a mile or so away
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  Speaker 1: from the nearest public end, and you glass at a
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  Speaker 1: truly world class buck uh, like a two inch deer,
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  Speaker 1: something that is not normal to see, and right away
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  Speaker 1: you see him, you see where he's at. He's in private,
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  Speaker 1: but there is public about aom mile away. In this
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  Speaker 1: scenario on August three, what do you do? Do you
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  Speaker 1: immediately seek permission on that private land or do you
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  Speaker 1: go and try to focus on could he possibly be
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  Speaker 1: in that public kind of what's your what's your next
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  Speaker 1: steps over the next couple of days. If you decided like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I really want to try to get a chance of this, dear, well,
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  Speaker 1: I've been in that situation a few times and usually
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  Speaker 1: involves a little of everything you just said. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you try to gain permission without without putting a spotlight
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  Speaker 1: of why you want to hunt there. Um because dear
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  Speaker 1: like that caused a lot of attention obviously, UM. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm also going to, um keep an eye on them, monitoring.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start looking for that deer. I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna shift my efforts to that area, shine around, glass around,
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  Speaker 1: and try to put together as he's going on any
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  Speaker 1: other farms, A is he going onto the public? Is
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  Speaker 1: here going in that direction? Um? In some cases, a
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  Speaker 1: deer like that's an impossible there to hunt. He never
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  Speaker 1: leaves the area that he you know, he's on and
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  Speaker 1: the reason he's that biggest because they don't allow hunting
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  Speaker 1: or something like that. But in a lot of cases
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  Speaker 1: there they will have enough of a travel room where
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  Speaker 1: they do go onto the public a little bit, or
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  Speaker 1: to go onto some some small property off of the
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  Speaker 1: side where you have a little bit at him. And
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  Speaker 1: then it's you know, then it's that cat and mollest
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  Speaker 1: thing where you gotta be careful of all when you
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  Speaker 1: go in after him. If he's staying out of property
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  Speaker 1: you really don't have access to, you know, just coming
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  Speaker 1: over right now, and then too much pressure is gonna
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  Speaker 1: put more there all the time. So a lot of
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  Speaker 1: that's watching from a distance. But really, my my main
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  Speaker 1: plan would be to keep an eye on that deer
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  Speaker 1: and and if I'm not finding I'm just keeping monitoring
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  Speaker 1: all the fields around They're working my way out until
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  Speaker 1: I find him again, and just keeping track of where
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  Speaker 1: I'm seeing him and you know where he's tending to go.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, in Wisconsin, here I can shine. So I
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  Speaker 1: would be shining him at all different hours of the night,
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  Speaker 1: trying to catch him in the morning, trying to get
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  Speaker 1: the middle of night, try to catch him in the
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  Speaker 1: evening without really putting too much pressure on him with
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  Speaker 1: the shining either because that makes him go back further,
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  Speaker 1: you know, um or stay hidden a little more, but
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  Speaker 1: just getting a glimpse here and there and keeping tabs
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  Speaker 1: um and really getting the pair going if you know,
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  Speaker 1: I know when it comes to shining right here at night,
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  Speaker 1: that you're doing that at night and draw Maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: I take that back. I guess I'll just stick with
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  Speaker 1: my question, which is, how do you keep tabs on
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  Speaker 1: a deer like that without drawing attention to it? Because
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  Speaker 1: if you're trying to glass in the evenings, or even
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  Speaker 1: if you're driving by a night and stopping for a
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  Speaker 1: minute or so, inevitably there's that warrior. Someone's gonna see you.
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  Speaker 1: Someone's gonna wonder, why is there this blue pickup truck
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  Speaker 1: pulled off the side of the road. How do you
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  Speaker 1: try to minimize that, because, like you said, you don't
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  Speaker 1: want word to get out that the steers out there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's different ways. I mean, most of the time,
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  Speaker 1: when I find a real big buck like that, it's
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  Speaker 1: not real close to traffic, you know, so you do
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  Speaker 1: get away with a little and I just make sure
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  Speaker 1: that I'm not shining, not glassing, not doing anything with
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  Speaker 1: someone drives by. I don't drive around on a truck
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  Speaker 1: with stickers all over and about about hunting. Um and uh.
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  Speaker 1: In a lot of cases, I use one of the
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  Speaker 1: cars that we have that no sts hunt. Doesn't look
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  Speaker 1: like a hunting vehicle, and I don't dress like a hunter.
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  Speaker 1: Um when I'm out looking at deer. Um. So you know, Um,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes in the past, UM, one real big deer I
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  Speaker 1: got was hanging right next to the public land parking lot. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I had a station wagon at the time. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's been talked about a lot. I had I break
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  Speaker 1: for raccoon stickers out of them parking parking lot. And
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  Speaker 1: I believe I'm reading the paper when I monitor that
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  Speaker 1: buck whenever somebody come in here, I just picked the
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  Speaker 1: paper up and look at it. Um. But you know
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  Speaker 1: it does take being a little cover and and and careful. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's that is the That's a fine line to try
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  Speaker 1: to walk between getting the intel and possibly all for
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  Speaker 1: doing it. Though. UM. Now let's say you well, you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned sometimes they've got this travel, They travel enough that
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  Speaker 1: maybe he would dip into the edge of that public
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  Speaker 1: What would you do to try to determine that. Would
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  Speaker 1: you just go and actually walk that piece of public
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  Speaker 1: that's closest and look for incredible sign there or look
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  Speaker 1: or put cameras there and just kind of hope that
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  Speaker 1: maybe that happens to be or is there anything else
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  Speaker 1: different you would do specifically to try to ascertain if
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  Speaker 1: he's on public at all. Well, if if it's public,
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  Speaker 1: I know, um, and near my home. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: times it is, Um, I'll know the better areas and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and I might just throw some contet and anyways, no
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  Speaker 1: one he's in the area, you know, Um, No, we're
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  Speaker 1: mature books still want to go over there. Um. But
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of key since it is trying to
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  Speaker 1: catch him, see him crossing the road or going over
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  Speaker 1: there or something. Um. In some cases I'll drop a camera. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Usually if I'm dropping one at this time of the year,
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  Speaker 1: it's to sell camp because if you're going and check
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  Speaker 1: it in, you're you're blowing it. You know, you get
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  Speaker 1: one crack getting there and dropped the camera and don't
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  Speaker 1: go back. And then if he's coming across the main
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  Speaker 1: crossing coming out of that property or something, hopefully you
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  Speaker 1: can get a capture some sort of image of him
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  Speaker 1: and a time frame. Um, but it's you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: really trying to catch him going over there and knowing
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  Speaker 1: that he's over there. I'm so you're not wasting your time.
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  Speaker 1: But if he's that big, and I'm not, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of guys listening right now probably
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  Speaker 1: can't shine. There's only a few states where you can
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  Speaker 1: and glass, and a lot of times those big bucks
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  Speaker 1: don't come into open areas and daylight. So you gotta
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  Speaker 1: throw a camera at it, or you gotta throw a
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: hunt at it and and just try. I mean, I
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: would rather throw a hunt at a possibility that might
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: be coming across the road over there, then to go
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: hunt and known one forty you know, so why not?
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, just throw some hunts at it, do you
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: worst thing can happen if you don't get a deer. Yeah. So,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I know some guys that have been in a situation
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: like this, and they'll they'll spot a deer somewhere like this,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: and then they will look at a radius of like
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: a mile about and and try to get ahold of
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: every single landowner they possibly can within that mile and
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: see if they can get permission. Do you will you
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: ever ask that many people for permission? Or is it
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: more so like you find the best property and you're
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: willing to put in the time to try to get
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: permission there? Um, I guess how how much are you
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: willing to try to get access to private in that
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: kind of situation? And how do you do that? Usually?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I don't ask a lot of permission. Um. If I do,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: it's because I'm seeing a right on a property. Um.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Most of my hunting is on public or it's on
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: somebody properly where I'm invited. Um. I don't usually ask,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: but I do if I'm seeing one on it. But
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I don't do that whole ask all to me burds
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Usually No, Okay, Okay, I have
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: to know that the bucks going over there before I
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: would even um put myself through that headache. I fail
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: you there, I agree with you there. Um Okay, let's
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: fast forward a little bit and maybe we just keep
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: on playing this scenario. Um, it's opening day in Wisconsin.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: What septem yep? Okay, So it's the night before opening day,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: so September, on a typical September evening, and maybe this
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: particular one with US world class deer somewhere. What are
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: you doing on the night before opening day? And why
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and how are you doing it? Is it something I'm
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: assuming it's some kind of scouting or something, or do
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you take the night off and prepare yourself for hunting season?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Or what do you do the night before? Um? Usually,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you know, if I was onto something really big and
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I was seen him on a regular basis, I probably
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: go check common for sure, and I'd probably look around
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and see if anybody else is watching or anything like that,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: just kind of, you know, do a drive by. But really,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: usually the day before hunting season, I'm kissing my old ladies,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I ask, because they're not gonna fear for four months.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Too happy with smart smart man. Maybe Thursday, I'm scouting
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a little harder. That's smart. Okay. That might be the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: best advice we get all night here. Um okay, So
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: let's I got one more kind of jumping off of that,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: because a buddy of mine had a question that I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: think relates to this. Let's let's keep with our hypothetical
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and let's say that now you actually do have permission
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: on a property what this buck is living on? So
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the properties about two acres of private land you were
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: invited to hunt it? My friend, it's a mixture of
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: farm grounds, some thick brush and the small swamp with
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: multiple quality betting locations scattered throughout, and there's this legit,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: world class deer out there. How would your hunting style
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: once the season opened? How would your hunting style differ
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: if you were the only one who had access to
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the farm versus if ten other guys also got invited.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: So ten other guys are hunting the two acres with
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you versus just you had access to it. How would
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you hunt it differently as the season progressed? How would
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: your style change? You know, I don't think the pressure
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: makes a huge difference to me. Actually, Um, if the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: deer actually lives there, I think the pressure helps me.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Not the pressure pushes the deer off the property. I
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: think it hurts me. But actual pressure in a spot
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: where I'm hunting, if it's not kicking the deer out
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: of there, I think helps me because I think it
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: makes a deer follow the rules. Um, you see deer
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and unpressured areas where they they're bet a little easier,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, um, up on higher ground a little
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: further out from where they normally do they get a
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: little laxed and you walk in to hunt some bednary
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and kick them out fifty yards for you to the
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: bed in area were normally it would be satellite bucks.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: So it actually it gets a little harder with no
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: pressure sometimes. But my my actual style of hunting probably
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: wouldn't change at all. I would still be very aggressive.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think any boo gets to be two years old.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I mean by by uh, you know, running around in
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: daylight all over the place, not unpressured or private, you know. Um,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: So for me, it's still a matter of inches getting
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: in close. And I would say there's other ten people, um,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: if they're your average hunters, pretty much all of them
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: are probably hunting set stands, and they're just probably worried
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: about me hunting in their corner of the field or
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: something where I'm just gonna skirt around them and go
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to the edges of those swamps and and really hit
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the point going out there and stuff that's spot the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: spots where a big buck should be betting. I'll be
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: looking for sign coming out, setting up and hunting, and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: then the next day movement if I didn't see it,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hunt that property down until I see
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: that buck. We'll get on. Now, would that be any
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: different at all if the hunting pressure wasn't on you
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: at all? But you did have this extreme pressure on
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the outside. So let's say all the neighboring properties have
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: got a lot of pressure. But they're they're good hunters.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: We're gonna say they're not just your average ho hum,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but they're actually they know what they're doing. They listen,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: they're maybe they're members of the Hunting Beast. Maybe they've
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: listened to the wire Tump podcast. They know what to do.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: At least they know what to do. I'm not saying
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: they do the right thing all the time, but at
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: least they know what to do, and they're hunting the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: edges and they know about this buck too. In that case,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: would you do the exact same thing or would you
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: be a little bit more conservative? Now, how would that
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: switch it up at all? Well? I would you don't?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I think I still hunt the same. Um. I think
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta get in there when I hunt.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody thinks it's so aggressive. They're going in,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you know, close to these bed and areas is really
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: super aggressive. I't remember I go in there once, I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: slide out and then I move and I'm someplace else.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And I don't think I hunt those places overly aggressive.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Um for the most part, And in my eyes, um, yeah,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I think if you don't take a shot. I think
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys are so worried about kicking the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: gear off of a property, but they never give him
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a chance to kill it. You know, they sit back
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: too much. I really think that the aggressiveness is what
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: gets me the action, and it's whether there's other hunters
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: or not surrounding that property. Um. You know that dear me,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: pushing it off on another property could mean somebody else
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: kills that. I've had that happened to me. But I've
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: also gone and killed deer, and I think it's worth
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the risk because I think if you don't go in
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: there and spoke a field deer or have a neighbor
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: killed one on here or something, you're probably not hunting
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: hard enough. Um, sitting back too much, you know, it's
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a catch twenty two. I've been on like really well
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: managed ranches and and Seymour. You know, big bucks move
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: around daylight pretty easy. But for the most part, most
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: of the stuff that most of your average listeners have.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: If they don't get aggressive, they're never gonna be a chance.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And they'll see you guys on TV that are on
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: this big ranches sitting back on field edges and stuff.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And it's not too often in the areas where I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: hunt you see a big buck on the field that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, it happens, but not too often. If you do,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: it's usually a younger buck that's got a bigger rack.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: The mature bucks just don't come out like that. You know, Um,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you gotta get aggressive. You've gotta go in your after him.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Most of the huge bucks that I've killed, i've killed within,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you know, within a hundred fifty two hundred yards of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the veinry most of the time close her and I'm
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: shooting them at closing time. So I mean, if you're
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: kicking too far back because you're afraid of kicking them
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: on the neighbors, you're just not gonna see that deer.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And I think you're putting you're still putting the pressure on.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: If you're back, you know, four yards, the buck's gonna
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: get out there, smell that you're there, and obviously gonna
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: come out even later, he's gonna come out smarter. It's
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the you know, um, it's like slapping him on the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: ass and saying, game on, I'm hunting you. I want
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the first time that he has an opportunity to smell
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: me if he comes out of that bed, n he
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: gets an arrow through him. So does that make right away? Yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: so that kind of makes me wonder though, right. I
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: think you've talked about sometimes like hunting your way in,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you know, is you you'll you'll try and get close
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and then maybe you spot them or you learn something
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and you move in sixty or sixty yards closer or
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: something like that. Is is there sometimes the time when
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: you should actually just go all the way for the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: home run, go right to the edge because you know
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that you know, like you just said it, man, it
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: matters what you have for intel. You know. Um, there's
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: spots where I'm unsure of something. I try to find
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: a situation where I can sit back where I don't
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: think that deer is gonna get to where I am.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna smell where I was, The wind is
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: gonna be right where I can watch an area, see
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: what happens, and then moving for a kill if I
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: need to, um and I've had, you know, and like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: if I'm hunting a spot that you know, I'm really
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: unsure of kinda but I got a planned area I'm hunting.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I never walk that trail. I don't take that you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: path that cut path from point to point B. I
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: always plan out a route and try to scout my
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: way in and find fast sign. You find first sign
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: coming out of something that looks like betting, and I'll
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: set right up on it. And uh, I've done okay
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: doing that. A lot of times. I don't make it
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to where I was planning on going. Um, but I'm
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: still you know, hunting that aggressive making my way in there,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: you know, in that whole hunch your way in thing.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: What I mean by that is is don't walk through
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a bed and area to hunt a betterary you think
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: might be a little bit better. You might want to
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: hunt point eight before you walk walk past it and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: ruin it, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's part
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: of that hunting your way in thing. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Kind of related to all this. I've heard you talking, uh,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you know about people that maybe own a small farm
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and how there's this temptation. I think you could probably
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: say this temptation that you want to hunt it as
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: often as you can or whenever you have the chance
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to hunt it, you should hunt it because you've got
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: all this money dumped into it, right you bought this farm,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: You've put it all this time and effort. You want
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to enjoy it, so you want to do it. But
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: your your recommendation in this I think it was one
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: of your videos I was watching, you said, hey, why
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: don't you go throw some hunts at the public land
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and just hunt your private sparingly at the right times,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: with the right conditions, and then you'll actually get more
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: out of that hunt than you would otherwise with fifteen hunts.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Um and so you talked about, you know, scattering your
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: hunts from public other properties, and I know that with
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: your own personal hunting you bounced to a lot of
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: different places as you just it is described. You'll you'll
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: be aggressive, but it's a one time in maybe and
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: then off to another place. Would you or I guess,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: let me say this, what would it look like for
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you though, if you happen to become one of these
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: people I just described. Let's say someone let's say we've
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: got a listener or know we've got a viewer of
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the Hunting Beast YouTube channel, and you've been so helpful
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: to him that he decides he's gonna give you a
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: sixty acre piece of ground as a thank you gift.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: He gives you sixty acres of prime ground. Dan. Now
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you are a private property owner and you also have
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: all the public land you can hunt two. How would
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you personally mix that into your schedule? Would you say, well,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I got that sixty acre piece now, um? Would you
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: do things differently? Or would you still just hunting your
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: own personal piece of property a couple of times a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: year and spend the rest of it everywhere else? How
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: would you? How would you do that? How would you
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: figure that? Well? I kind of have that scenario. I
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: think the property seventy acres, not sixty, but I don't
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: own it. A good friend owns it, and only me
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and him hunted. UM. But it's not primary acres either.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I mean the whole surrounding area around is really heavy pressured,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: so it's it's harder hunting. But it is private and
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you know nobody's been in there. And how I hunt
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that different is that we have observation stands here and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: we watch UM open areas that are adjacent to betting
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: from a distance, and we see something, we'll move in
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: for the kill UM and me and him. You usually
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: do it as a team. If we see something, we
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: both go into the next day to kill it. But
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: UM we try to hunt that um uh once a week,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: which I think is way too much. But but the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: guy who wants probably that the hunt was UM is
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a key answer survivor, and he doesn't. He doesn't have
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the energy anymore. He used to when he's younger, go
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: out to the public with me and stuff. So that's
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: all the apps. So so we hunted a little overhunting
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: by hunting it once a week. UM. But those hunts
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: are including sitting back on those observations stands watching UM.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And that might sound you know, fruitless. You know, you
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: put a food plot there and maybe get lucky and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: sometimes it wanders by, But we're really trying to get
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: eyes on a on a big one. What's interesting about
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: that is that seventy acres um as you'd imagine I've
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: been hunting there for about I don't know years with
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: him and uh as you'd imagine it's really open terrain,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: so all the prime spots have stands in him by
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: now right. But yet every time we kill something big,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: which is very often, but when we do, it's from
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: an aggressive move when we see something to move to it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Those big box I mean, if they've lived on that farm,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: they've gone past you when they're they're you know, one,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: two or three, and they've they've learned where the stands
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: already smelled where you walk and stuff. And now now
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: they're mature and they walk through there and avoid the stands.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you go intro in wintertime and look at
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the tracks and what shall they just go through the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: woods and never go by a guy's tree stand. But
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: what I do is I mix it up a lot,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and I'm always, um looking at the public. I'm always
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: looking at the adventures, trips and stuff, go and trying
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: something new, and to me, um, I really love challenges,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: going to new places. And it really isn't about killing
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: buck anymore. It's more about you know, testing yourself and
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: testing what you can do and which you can accomplish. Um.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: And I think what a big thing a lot of
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: people are missing if they're so worried about their their
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: success and being somebody in the hunting industry, Because now
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: it's all about who you are in the hunting industry.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: You know, it's no longer about your personal goals, it seems,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: which is sad. But if you get out of that,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you can invest in yourself. Hunting on the public land
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: along with your farm, makes you grow. You don't grow
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: by hunting the same stuff. You know, you don't grow
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: by going to the same tree stand in the back.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've listened to people tell me how
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: great they are as you have to, I know, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: you listen to them talk and they're telling you how
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: they they got this farm that the hunt on, that
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the hunter acres that your dad owns, and they're so
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: great because they killed all these books. Well, it's the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: same spot. What are you gonna do? And now you
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: get off that flat land, your hunt hill land? What
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you canna do when you go find a swamp? You know,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: um testing yourself and putting yourself in new scenarios. When
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: you when you learn how dear go through a swamp,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you learn a few things about your farm too. You
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: learn how they go through hills. You learn a few
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: things about your farm too. And every time you try
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: something new, you learn something new. Either that or you're blind.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: You know, there are people that go out there and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: they you know, they'll come back and they'll tell you
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: they saw a big buck. You'll be like, oh, really,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: you know, where was it? Well? I was over there.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Well we're on the transition, or I don't know, it's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: about hundred yards over there. What was the wind doing?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Oh I don't know. You know where I'm I'm getting
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: there going? What's the window? Why is that deer there?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: You know? What? Where is he coming from? Where's he going?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Some people just see deer? You know. I think asking
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: those questions all the time and really stretching yourself out
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and trying new things, trying new properties. Um, you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: if you if you kill your buck on your farm,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: why quit hunting? I mean, go to another state, try
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: some new places, try some new spots. You know. Yeah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more that Just simply putting
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: yourself in new situations and and then trying to figure
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: it out and asking why that is you could you
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: could accomplish a whole lot if you just kept doing that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: You don't need to listen to this podcast. You can
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: learn a whole lot just by doing that. Um, that's good. Stuff. Um,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: something you mentioned there made me think of of another
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: aspect of of what you do. That's that's pretty interesting
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: to me. And I think that's your some of your
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: decision making process. I'm always interested in trying to kind
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: of look into that a little bit further. And and
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I guess I'll give you this example scenario and then
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: maybe you can try to help talk through what your
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: decision making processes to help me understand it. Let's say
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: it's it's opening night in Michigan, October one, and you
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: have to decide between your different possible places to hunt
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: on opening day in Michigan. Um, I'm gonna lay it
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: out for you and just say that there's there's a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: public land piece where you found a great bedding area
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: on some high ground and swamp. There's another piece of
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: public land in the same general area where you found
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: some loan white oaks on the edge of a swamp
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that are dropped and that seems pretty good. And you know,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: maybe then maybe that's all you know about and the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: rest is up in the air, But maybe that part
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: isn't as as important as just the larger question, which
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it's October one, the first day of the season, how
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: would you determine what is the best option to hunting
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: without prior information Where I say, you don't have trail cameras,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: this is not your home turf, this is a new area,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: but you have a little bit information. How would you
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: go through thinking through Okay, all the different variables. There's
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: there's wind, there's access, there's hunting pressure, there's the information
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: about these two locations and anything else you might know about.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious what kind of the what's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: going on in your mind is just sitting in the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: truck the night before or that morning and decided, Okay,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Place A or Place B or
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: something else. Can you talk me through that? I think
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: if if I didn't know of any of the box
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: in the area, and I was going out there and hunting,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: kind of in a scenario you're talking, I would probably
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: look at a a property and I'd try to figure
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: out based on the wind, where I think they would
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: be betting and if acorns are dropping. I would probably
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: in its early season open day, I'd probably be looking
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: for something around oaks. I'd probably looking for isolated oaks. Um.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: You're a thick cover um, especially most of Michigan. I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: think i'd be looking for betting isolated by water in Michigan,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: um uh and fixed stuff, so that water isolated betting
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: is not gonna have oak trees because oaks don't grow
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: that low. They're gonna come up to the oak trees
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: and eat, and they've been doing it, you know, prior
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: to season before people are out there. I'm gonna walk
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: those transition lines um between the oak trees and swamps,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna look for sign coming out. I'm gonna
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: try and look for a wind that kind blows in
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the buck's favor, the quartering into it, so that when
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I hit the trail, the wind ain't quite hitting that
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: buck yet. And the reason I'm gonna do that is
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: because the wind's blown from the swamp most of the time.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: To bed right on the edge of the swamp and
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: look at the oak trees. When it's blown in, they
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: bed in further and smell the approaching danger. That's been
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: my experience with them. So because they like to look
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: down wind and um, I'll follow that transition until I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: find the sign coming out. That sign might be really
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: heavy brows on the acorns, for everything's torn up and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it might be some um rubs, and it might be
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: a combination of rubs and in Toro up acorns and leaves. UM,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: hopefully you got a combination of those. Sometimes the rubs
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: are hard to see at that time time front of
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the year, but just see little marks in the trees,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: or maybe there'll be a scrape or two even though
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: it's early, because they're marking, because multiple bucks are coming in,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: they're sort of kind of claiming the area. So I
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: look for some sort of sign like that. And if
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I'm on a travel trip, UM, and you know, or
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I'm there for the weekend, I might scout a large
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: area and walk right through signed that. I might walk
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: through sign and say, who this might be a good spot,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and walk right through and keep going and start out
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: my scouting early, like ten in the morning, and then
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: by two in the afternoon, pick which spot was the best,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: and go back and hunted, and then repeat the next day. UM.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: That way, you're getting onto the to the best sign
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: that you found, you know, uh fastest. Now, in one
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: of those scenarios, I think, I think I know what
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you would do. But you you find this, you go
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: in there doing the scouting. You you come up on
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: some dynamite sign and what you think is like the bedroom,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: you're right there at the bedroom or right in the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: edge of it, and you see the sign, Um, look dynamite.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: But you pass boot tracks relatively fresh, not saying that
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: came in that morning, but relatively fresh boot tracks. So
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: there has been somebody back here. But at the same time,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you're thinking, man, but I'm in the bedroom. Do you
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: cross that off the list completely because of that pressure
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: or do you think that you could still maybe get
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: away with a hunt um given the fact that you're
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: you're right there, What what would your thoughts be there?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I would probably keep going. I don't think I would
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: stop if somebody's already hunted there. If I thought those
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: tracks were from a day or two before. I think
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: if anything um or shooting came out and ran across
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: those tracks, it's it's altered its path. Yeah, Okay, that's
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: that's what I figured. I want to I want to
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: back out a little bit and switch the scenario, switch
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: up our habitat a little bit um because I know
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: in past podcast we've talked a lot about um Marsh
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: country type stuff. I know we talked a lot about
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: your hill country type stuff. Um, but I want to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about kind of generic farmland. Yeah,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: it's it's something that I know is pretty easy for
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you when it comes to marsh or swamp or hill
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: country to pick out where buck probably is betted. Right,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: there's certain terrain features in hill country where you think
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: that's probably gonna be the best spot there should be
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: bucks betting there. And then when it comes to swamps
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: or marshes, there's certain terrain features those islands, those points
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: where you can say, oh, there's a pretty good chance
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that could be bucks there. Um, it seems like it's
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit harder to do that with farmland. I'm curious.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: So let's say we've were in Michigan again. We'll keep
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: keep rolling with that. You're dropped off now, and we've
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: got a random flat set of farm ground and I
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: told you you're gonna hunt it today, but you've never
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: seen it before. We don't have a marsh, we don't
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: have big hills, we don't have a swamp. It's just
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: kind of scattered timber and crops, some brushy stuff. And
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: what I'm curious first about is could you pick out
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: the betting areas of buck buck betting ears from a map, like,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: do you think you could do that with some kind
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: of degree of confidence without those big obvious terrain features,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: And if so, could you walk me through what you
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: would be looking for on that flat farmland and how
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you go about picking the spots. What I look for
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: on a flat farmland is I do not expect bucks
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: to be bedding in the middle of wood lucks, which
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: is what everybody else seems to expect. I think bucks
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: are more edge creatures, and you're gonna find your mature
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: books on tree lines where you can see across fields.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: You're gonna see them in little patches off to the side. Um. Really,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: really often on farms, everybody that hunts and has the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: same access in parts in the same spot, walks on
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: the same path back into the farm the same way.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: And I find the mature bucks often have a betting
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: spot that overlooks watching that access. UM. And then you
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: have to mix it up and how you come in. UM.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: When they do bed in square like wood lot rains,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: there's two ways they bed. One of them is that
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: they bed on the outside edge whichever whichever edges down wind.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: They smell the woods behind them, and they watched the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: fields in front of them. Um. The other one is
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to get into the inside of that woods to an
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: opening or a low spot where it's a little letter marshy,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: get on the edges of that um m hmm. But
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: typically um, it's the tree lines sort of stuff off
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: to the side where I find the biggest stuff. So
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: that can be hard to hunt and it can be
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: hard to predict. But another thing that's really really important
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: with flat farmland is nothing is really perfectly flat, and
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I find that a little bit of elevation change makes
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: a much difference and what you'd call flat farms, I
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: find the best betting is usually at the lowest point
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: in the highest point on the farm. Interesting, and if
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: if then you had a spot like this, and we're
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: predicting that there's gonna be some betting near those edges
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: probably and these bucks are going to try to watch
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: those openings. What if it's uh, what if it's one
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: of those farms that is impossible to access without coming
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: across that open field, like it's it's a big farm
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: field near the road, and then the back half of
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the farm is the timber and you don't have access
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to the backset. So the only way you can access
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it is across the field. Um do you just get
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: as far away from the sexual I don't know. How
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: do you? How would you try to deal with that
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: scenario where you know that, Hey, there's that scenario where
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I know that there's bucks watching, you know, get the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: wind to their back, watching the farmhouse and there's no
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: other way in there because it's all open field on
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that side. And what I've done is try walking past
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: them like may believe you don't know they're there, and
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: it's circling around someplace else to hunt them, like doing
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: a big j hooker on the farm to come through
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: cover to get back to them. Um. Another thing is
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of times when they bed watching the farm,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: they are watching the access route they bed there. If
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: they're watching that route, they get the wind to their back.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: They have the wind to the back, they're smelling behind them,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: and they're watching with their eyes the trail. So when
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the wind changes, they can't bed like that. They're not
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: going to bed facing the wind, you know, watching for
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you and smelling for you, because then something could come
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: up from behind them and get them. It's all about safety.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: So they bet with the wind that they're back. So
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: when you're access and they're watching you. So if those
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: beds are close to one edge or something, you can
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: just wait till the winds different, you know, to access.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Like like when I said that they bet on the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: down one side of a wood lot. You seet time
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and time again. Guys will get camera pictures over and
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: over and over these bucks in the field. They're like,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: every time I hunt there, they don't come out. Well, yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: they're sitting on the edge watching you, and you wait
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: for the window in your face, which is when they're
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: betting on the edge watching the field. You know, go
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: hunt there when they're betting on the other side of
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the wood lot, and then they're gonna come over there.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's uh, that's the catch twenty two.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: When you want to be safe about the wind right now,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: speaking of wind um, you know, historically from everything I
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: remember us ever talking about in other things, you've typically
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: put all your cards or most of them at least
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: in playing the wind, not worrying too much about sink
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: control and just saying, hey, yeah, you can't beat the
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: bucks nose, see Mizel, just focused on the thing you
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: can to some degree control, which is being in the
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: right place in relation to wind. Uh. Um, I guess
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: question number one this isn't the scenario is right? The
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: question question number one is that still true to this
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: date or is that evolved it all over the last
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: five years or so? Um? And then question number two
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: then would be you heading for a hunt, and let's
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: say it's in one of these scenarios that we're talking
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: about where it's farmland flat and you went in with
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: a certain window actually you felt confident with. But then
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: in the last hour hour and a half a day
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: light or still let's say sneaping hunt, last hour, hour
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and a half a daylight, that wind dies down and
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your sense doing wonky things. You
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: put your milky out there and sometimes it's going to
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: the north and sometimes it drops down, goes to the
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: south and you're getting some weird stuff going on there.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: What would you do in that scenario? So question number
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: one is is your thinking changed it all on side control?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Question number two is that scenario? So the question number one, UM,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I still believe there's no way you're fooling the DearS. No,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can do it. I think if
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: they smell your ground something, you know, how long ago
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: you're there, they smell your something to work exactly where
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: you're at. Um. I do believe some dear ignore you,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: and I've had that. I've had a deer with my
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: wind blowing right at him and I know I stink
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: and they just don't care. No padam where they get
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the first whiffle you blow out of there? But my
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: my attitude and that has never changed. Um okay, Well
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: number two. Number two was that last hour, hour and
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: a half a daylight, the wind dies down and all
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're wind kind of starts swirling. Now
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: it's not doing what you thought. So your whole game
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: plan was based off of this certain wind direction. But
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: now the wind dies and it's swirling. Do you do
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you stick it out for the last hour, hour and
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: a half or do you bail completely? Here's how that
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: works with me. I mean there was a time when
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I would bail out of there, and my might change.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: My thinking has changed. Um, probably like ten years ago
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: or so, it started to change. And it's got to
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the point now where I feel like, once I'm in
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: there and I've gotten my sent in there, I was
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: there for a reason, I might as well as just stay.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: And I've had plenty of times when the winds blown
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: right out of here and you kill them. Anyways, I
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: would never set up in that scenario. But once you're there,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: what the heck, your scents already in there, you've already
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: burned the area. You might as well sit there. And
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: there's been plenty of times where that has paid off
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: from me. Where you're are, it just goes over them
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: or something, you know, um in a lot of cases
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: for people, though, there's a reason for that stuff. And
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: that doesn't happen to me as much as other people
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: because I look at the terrain before I set up,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and I try to set up not into trains that
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: are gonna cause swirling or or you're gonna get thermal poles.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that think that think a
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: deer has a sixth sense, because right before dark, the
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: wind's been in your face all day. That deer comes from,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you know, up wind, and all of a sudden it's freezes,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: locks and turns around, runs off and you're like, oh
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: my god, that that deer knew I was here somehow,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: and only it smelled you. And if you use the
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: milk weed, you'll see that your thermals change, you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: at the com spots. But if you've got any kind
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: of downward slope, if you're hunting a pillow of the deer,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: as soon as the sun goes down or before the
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: sun goes up, every time it's calm, your scent is
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: gonna pulled on that hill. It could be just like
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: pouring water in that hill, and you might not even
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: feel it. If it's just rolling hills or you know,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: you know, just slight elevation changes, you probably won't even
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: feel it, but you'd see it if you use milk weed. Now,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: another scenario I've heard you talk about there being a
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: thermal impact is when you're by water, but I don't
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: think that's something we've covered in the podcast. Is that
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: could you elaborate a little bit how how a water
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: scenario could cause a thermal pull because I'm envisioning like
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: a you're in a swamp, there's a lot of standing water.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe you're right in the edge of a little piece
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: of high ground and it's water everywhere else. What would
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: happen in that scenario or something like it? So it's
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: got to be like stagnant shallow water that's you know
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of times it's on black mud or whatever.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: When that water gets warm, like swamp water or like
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: a real shallow pond, when it gets warm, because like
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: bathtub water, the sun goes down, the water stays warm,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: but the air cools, so right above that pond or
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: or that water source of that swamp, that air will
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: just go straight up. And when it does that, it
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: displaces the air above the water, so pulls wall air
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: in from the sides, and that cooler air heats as
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: it goes over the water and then rises and just
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: pulls more in, so it changes the um the air
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: current with that thermal pull. And you usually you know,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: that's another one where you have a hard time feeling it,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: but if you check it, you'll see it. You see
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: your milk. We float over there, float float over the water,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: and then shoot straight up. So what I try to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: do is if I go hunt the point or something,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: is I try to set myself up right up against
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the water. Um sort of my scent pulls that way
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and up rather than being up from the like if
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: being the center and the deer goes between you and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: the water, you sent pulls to the deer, you know,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: so I try to get right up against the water
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: where I can predict for them where the thermal will be.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: It's interesting, this fits in perfectly with the question that
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: a listener sent in a scenario. Um, but this rather
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: than a stagnant water, this is moving water. And so
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: we're talking a river. And so let's let's apply what
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: you just described to a little bit more specific situation here.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: It's late October, let's say October, and you've located a
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: piece of public land that's got this floodplain river bottom,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and it's being used for kind of everything. It's being
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: used for bedding and travel, and some food sources in there.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, maybe there's an oak tree or
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: something that's dropping. But then there's these ridges that lead
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: up out of the river bottom up to private land
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: crop fields up high. Could you describe how you would
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: think about accessing and setting up in that kind of
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: general scenario laid out till we'd given what you just mentioned,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the possible impacts of thermals in that scenario, any other
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: things you'd be thinking about in that hypothetical. Uh, I
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: would think that should probably still get some thermal rise
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: on the hill, even though they get the river at
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: the base because the side of the hill is gonna
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: heat up. UM. But rivers, I haven't seen a lot
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: of thermal impact UM with them. With the moving water,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I think it stays colder. UM. Colder water should expand
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: and push outward. UM. But I just I haven't really
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: seen much of an impact with it except for that
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: if it's at a base of a hill to hill
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: small you don't seem to get that thermal rise on
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: the hill UM as much. But I still think it's there,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: just it's slighter, you know, UM coming in there. Again,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: it would be more based on how that dear is
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: bedding in there where I think he's at and looking
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: at what that wind is doing and where it's rising,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: where it's fallen, and which direction is actually blowing, and
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out which direction the deer is going
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: and get them in front of I mean, it sounds basic,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: but but that's basically how I look at it. Yeah,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: have you had much experience with river bottom bedding or
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: creek bottom bedding if you're kind of seen how they're
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: using that terrain in any kind of consistent way. Yeah,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I mean big river bottoms that are all flat like
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: floodplains are really hard. Um. Again, you're looking for like
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: little island clumps of trees where's just a little higher
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: elevation on that grassy crap you know. Um, you're looking
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: for ox bows in the river. I mean oxbows have
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: done really well on UM. What they'll do in an
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: oxbow is they'll get in there in a monitor, that
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: little opening, that little land bridge going in there, and
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: then it comes in there they go through the river
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: to the other side to get just game. Um, one
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: of those in the ox bowls, Um, you really got
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to look for those edges, um, which in a lot
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: of cases are going to be worders, little clumps of
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: trees or something you know, out there, and they're not
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: going to just bed out in the middle of open grass.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you probably find beds out there, but it's
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: not the consistent type of stuff that you can hunt.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: And one of the problems is that I've been in
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: some river bottoms in western Wisconsin where you get in
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: there and you really learn a buk and then you
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: come back to the next year you gotta learn it
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: over again because the flooding puts chamber all over you know,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: displaces that all over the place, and the betting changes
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: because of it. So it is a hard not to hunt,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: but it's it's doable. And and again you have to
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: look at the terrain and um look at how the
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: land lays out, because they are edged creatures, and that's
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: you think they're on those transition lines. They're not just
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: you know, beted out in the middle of grass. Better
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: there because there's an elevation or because of a clump
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: of trees, because they have some sort of um vantage
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: with wind in sight? How do you think that they
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: use the wind when it comes to bedding in those
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: oxbowt situations? So I think to correct if I'm wrong here,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: but you're kind of talking about those outside big bends
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: of those s curves in rivers, and then they'll be
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: where they come together. Are they setting up, you're saying,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: facing how creates almost a peninsula. Are they facing out
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: from that peninsula or are they facing the water and
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: smelling the bit of land behind him. I've seen him.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I've seen him bed two ways, one with the wind
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: blowing down the lamb channel into it, and one with
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: the blowing out where they watched the os, they watched
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: the land open or to smell it. But most of
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: the time what I've seen is um where they're smelling it.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: They're looking out across the river and the winds blowing
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: in and they're smelling it. That's been my best scenarios. UM,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: that's helpful. I've I've got a couple of public land
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: river bottom spots I'm gonna be hunting this year, and
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking through that and scouting that situation and
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: being curious to see what will play out in real time.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: So that's that's interesting. Let's they were really they were
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: really a key when I hunted in um southwestern Iowa,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: where it was all like, we'll open farmland lots of
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: big bucks that there's hardly any terrain for him. Well
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: we have to bed ale on those rivers, and those
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: oxples were just loaded with good bucks. M And then
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: how do you typically see him travel out of there?
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is I'm trying as I'm
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: just spit ball on here, but I'm wondering would they
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: usually be bedded on the opposite side. I guess it's
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: probably wind dependent, but opposite side of the food, like
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: if if there's a main I'm imagining kind of that
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: scenario is laid out there where there's these crowd fields
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: up high and then there's this river bottom down low,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm wondering what they usually bed across the river
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: from their feeding destination. They then they come up in
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: the afternoon, they leave their bed cross the river head
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: up Um or would they be more? I guess it
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: probably depends on how large the rivers to Um. But
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: have you seen any tendencies there? Yeah, I've seen him
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: go through the river to get the crops, and I've
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: seen him go um the other way to Um and
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: just walk to the land bridge out Um. The biggest
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: book I ever shot I didn't recover, but that was
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: on an oxbow in Iowa. It was a giant twelve
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: pointer that book. I've seen him in the oxbow. I
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: jumped him out of it the day before the next day,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I went during the morning and set up before light
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: went from to come back. It came back at gray
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: light and he was gonna walk great in the oxbover
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: to the land bridge get in there, and uh, I
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: didn't make it. But but yeah, I've seen a lot
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: of where they just walk the land bridge out, but
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: they crossed the river too. And in a lot of cases,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: the um if the river is deep and fast, they
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: only want to go through that if they have to escape,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: you know. But that's another thing is they won't go
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: across a huge river. You know, there's gotta be a
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: valid escape if you've got to be like a quick
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: couple of bounds and they're out of there. Um. And
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: another thing is if the river with nowadays how many
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: people boat and canoe and kayak and stuff. If the
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: river is getting used by boaters and stuff a lot,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: they won't bend those oxpos. So a river that's jammed
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: up with crap that's smaller usually works better, you know,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: kind of a ditch river or something, you know. You know,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: let's let's let's jump to a totally different situation now. Um,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: let's let's say we are going to you know, I
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: know no one time. I want to look at how
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: you would go about zeroing in on a specific buck.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Let's put you on oct and you get word from
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: another hunter, maybe it's a neighbor, maybe it's another person
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: to hunt the public that this buck that you spotted
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: in the summer, or that you saw last year, this
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: buck's back. Finally, you haven't been a seam all season,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: but someone else saw him and said, Hey, that buck's
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: out there. I saw him. But you personally haven't had
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: any sightings of him yet this year. You personally have
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: no trail camera pictures of him this year. Um, and
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: it's you know, it's well into the season. It's over
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: a month into the Wisconsin season for you, and he
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: hasn't been the spots you thought he would be, right
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: because you you assumed he'd be back, so you would
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: you scouted for beds and you found where you thought
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: he'd be. You've hunted them now maybe once, maybe twice,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, he wasn't there, but now he's alive.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: What would you do with this new piece of intel
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: starting on October to go about try to locate him?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Would it be all right, I'm gonna go hund those
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: betting areas now because he's back. Or would you go
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: to Shining or all of a sudden bust out a
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: bunch of trail cameras. What would you do to to
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: zero in? Now? So I probably um go over and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: i'd I try to either see the book or see
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: some sign of them, because there's a little bit of
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: a mistrust with other people. You don't know if somebody's
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: trying to throw you off, so you don't hunt their
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: area by telling you something you want to you know
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: that you want to hear. Um. You don't know if
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: um uh, somebody's a little eight pointer to you is
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: a giant to them. Um. If it's somebody that you
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: trust and the intel is trustable, I'm gonna probably end
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: up going straight over there and hunting. But if it's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: like the time and that there's a little bit of doubt,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I want to see some sign. I want to see
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: that the rub line is appeared, that there's some huge
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: tracks over there, that there's there's something going on to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: tell me that that deer is indeed where this person
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: saw it. And then once I know a deer is
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: over there, I'm just gonna hunt that deer down. I'm
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: gonna go from Bedon area to Beddon area to Bedon
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: area and just punt that whole area down until I
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: run grown across him and and to me that that
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: hasn't been too hard of a scenario. If you know
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: what there is in a certain section and he's not
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: partially on private or something like that, if it's a
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: big section of public and you know he's there. It's
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: really not too hard to just start, you know, figuring
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: out where he should be and just going from section
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to section section, you know, and if you can't find them,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: figure out what work didn't I go? Work didn't I check?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: And go through a stand at that, you know, and
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: just keep moving. And that gets me on deer pretty fast.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Can you I know this is kind of tricky to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: try to pull or sorry to pull together imagine imaginary
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: situation here, but maybe there's even a specific example. But
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: could you just describe in detail what that first hunt
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: in would be like. We've talked about it in generalities
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: many times in the past, but I mean specifically, you know,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: tell me about what you found on the map and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: what you found previously, and when you sneak in there, um,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: you're gonna walk, you know, tippy toes in the last
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: hundred yards and then you set up with an x
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: number of yards where you know that bed isn't it.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Just walked me through the whole nitty gritty of that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: first hunt, and just for people that haven't heard in
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: the past, how you would do this, I'd like to
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: just get really detailed on one example, of it Um
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: to kind of color this just a little bit more
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: for people and maybe get into more detail than we
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: have in the past for for folks to have heard that. Okay,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: so what's the train We're going to say that this
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: is this is one of those marshy situations. I've gotta
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I've gotta here you go. Here's an exact scenario. You
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: do know of a spot this buck has been bedded.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: It is marshy stuff. But there is a piece of
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: high ground in this marsh about thirty by thirty yards wide.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: There's a couple of cotton woods on it, let's say,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: a couple of little brushy I don't know, uh, red
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: ocean dog wood type shrubs or something. Maybe a telephone
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: poultry on there too. And then the rest of it
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: surrounded by cattails and water and and I'm gonna give
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: you one more detail. There is a one access road
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: and it's actually relatively close where you can get to UM,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: but it's to the what direction would this be This
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: spot would be to the west of the access road.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: That too much information. That's a very specific scenario. I'm
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I'm waving in some example data from a from other
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: question into this one, so we'll get double duty here. Okay.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make sure the wind's right first of all.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not going into on um something I don't like.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: So if I got the wind right, I'm gonna go
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: into and I'm gonna take that access road as far
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: as I can, and then i'm gonna bust off of it.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna trying not to walk up the deer trails.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and trying here on an angle and
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: slide and real slow for the as t yards or
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go in the needles. I'm gonna go
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: out if I think it's a kill day, and I'm
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: going into the spot that I want to keep kind
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: of covert. I'm going midday. I don't want to walk
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: past the hunter um, so I want to get If
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: a hunter goes out there, I don't want him to
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: have no idea where I'm at. So I'm gonna go
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: in there and i'm gonna get as close as I can,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: probably to a tree have already picked out. If I
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: know the bed in areas as well as you described it,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I probably do, So I have a tree in mind already,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: or at least a specific area because I don't always
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: end up in the same tree based on the wind
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: or or the exact wind or whatever or sign. I'm
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: gonna go into slide in her and I'm gonna really
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: slowly put my stand down, take the uh, take it apart,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: start putting the sticks on real slow, quiet, and I'm
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: gonna come up that tree facing the bed in area
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: because I'm probably going to be, if it's marshy situation,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: approximately seventy or eight yards in that bed, and i
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: want the tree between me and the bedding. And I'm
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: gonna go up that tree facing the bed, looking at
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: the bed and one stick at a time, and keep
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: an eye over there for movement for if I'm getting
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: too high or whatever. And then i get to the
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: height where I want to be uh, and I'm not
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: gonna saw anything because I don't want to cause a
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: commotion or noise. And you know, so I'm gonna get
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: to a point where I'm high enough where I'm not
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: gonna get spotted. But I'm not so high and got
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: a shot. I'm gonna try and put the stand right.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: We're in a position where I have natural shooting lines,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna put the last
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: stick up. I'm gonna have a stand in my back.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the stick up, climbant that real slow,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: you know, no fast quick movements, and when I get
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: up there, I'm gonna take the stand up my back
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna slide around to the front of the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: tree facing the deer, facing directly at him, and I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: want to put the stand on that way, and then
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna slide up up that that last stick as
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: far as I can get and just slide around into
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: that stand and from there I'm waiting for that buck
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: to come in. You. You are one of the people
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: who is definitely most popularized this kind of hunting where
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: you'll slip in there close to a bedding area, hang us,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: hang sticks in the stand right there, and hunt it. Um.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: A lot more people are hunting that way now than
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: they were a decade ago. What what's the biggest mistake
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: you are hearing about or that you know that must
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: be happening from these these newer guys and girls trying
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: to do it the way you do it. Um, I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: gotta believe you're hearing from a lot of these people,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: and there must be some of those like head shaking
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: moments for you where they can keep busy. They're not
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: doing it right. Is there anything that sticks out when
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: you when you think about that. I think the biggest
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: thing is um when people here to details on how
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: dear bed and there's a there's a shadow of doubt
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, and going out and walked
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: out and looked at these beds in the scenarios that
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: have described them, you're probably saying, this guy's nuts. I mean,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I haven't seen that or whatever. Then they
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: go out there and they walk out there and they
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: run into it and they find some good bed there
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: and it's just load over rubs and it's exactly where
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: they thought it would be based on what I told him.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Where you look and Victor all our eggs at that basket,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: and they think this is the greatest spot in the world.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: And I see this over and over and over again,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: where guys just think because they found one spot that
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: looks great, I mean just to worn out beds and
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: you know, big robs coming in and out and they're like,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill this deer. And once they're not taken
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: into considerations two things. Number One, there's a specific timing too,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: when it's that bed is getting used. You know, it
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: might be the end of October, it might be wrong, Rod,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: it might be when a certain crop is in. Then
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: if you get that down, uh, then you got to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: remember that I'm hunting a scenario like that just about
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: every day and on the whole season, you know, get
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: five cracks, you know what I mean? Eighty times a
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: year different, right, every day I had a different spot
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: like that, and they're thinking that that one spot is
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: there kill spots, you know? And Uh. The other thing
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: is is when they find one or two spots like that,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: they can't bring themselves to go walk on a transition
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: set up on a on a road becoming out of
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: a swamp or something. They want to go back to
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: that spot and then they burn it out and then
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: the spot I'm good anymore. Yeah, you mentioned that an
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: important part there is understanding when that beds getting used.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: How like, what are the things that you're looking for
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: to make that determination? How do you figure that out?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: You really got to be a detective when you look
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: at that in areas like when I look at him
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: in the spring, I'm thinking a lot of things into consideration.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at how old beds are, like if you're
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: looking at them after the snow hold, the feces are
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: that are underground, Um, You're you're looking at them to cover. Um.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Sometimes the beds are hard to see um, and they
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: look like they're older, maybe from early season. Maybe it's
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: right up against on oak flat. Um. Maybe the beds
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: look like they're really fresh when you find them. Maybe
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: they're right at the end of the season. Um. Some
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Beton areas get used all year. Some Betton areas are
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: right up against doll beddings and you start figuring or
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: during the rut. And another thing is that the betton
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: as are just torn up with rubs. You can figure
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: towards the end of October early November. Um. Before. What
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: I've seen from hunting these Beton areas, I've seen this
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: more and more and more as I get older and
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: do more of this, is that there's some really specific timing.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: You go back and you look at there's there's Betan
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: areas that I've hunted for years and years and years,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and you look at the bucks I've shot there and
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I've hunted them, you know, you know, like throw three
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: sits at them. You hunt them early season and hunt
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: them in November, and you hunting weight season. And it
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: seems to be like when you look back a the past,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: the time and when you killed the deer was you know,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: pretty much the same days. You know, there's a certain
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: time per land you're inner. And you know, even my
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: my primary bed and areas where I have killed deer
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: at all different times of the season, there's specific times
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: when we're the best for giants um. And you know,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: and I've got some bet in areas that look great. Uh,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: some of these bedon areas have like that I would
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: call like nurseries that holds like a lot of two
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: year old bucks um. And those two year olds will
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: rip up a bed in area that put rubs all
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: over the place, and I'll have rubble lots going in
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: and out, and they'll fool people that kills all the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: sign You know, guys want to hunt there where. You know,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: I look at a big area, like a big marsh hunt,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: and if I've hunted there for a few years, I
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: start to realize that when I kill a monster there,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: it's in one of five or six bet in areas.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Even though I know of a hundred fifty bet areas
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: out there. You know those are really big old box
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: get to choose the best spots, and some of that
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: takes a little time. I mean, this isn't something you're
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: gonna learn overnight. It's something that you have to work
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: at and be willing to invest time. And two, I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: mean everybody seems to want that quick fix and that
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: instant success. You know, doesn't It doesn't usually come that easy, right. Um,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: So this this betting area situation, let's dig in here
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit further with a couple different outcomes. Maybe
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: let's say that you've we've snuck into one of these
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: betting ears you described, You've hung the stand the way
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: you've described. Just as you swing your tree stand to
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: the other side of the tree to get set up,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: you hear a dear blow. You look up and there's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: a big rack running away in a white tail flagon.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: What are you do in that scenario? Do you bail?
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Do you you spook the buck? The hunts done onto
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: new place? Or would you think maybe I could reposition
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: and he'll come back in. What would you do if
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I think you saw me in that trip, I probably
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: will just move. Um, something they'll come back in, but
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: usually not if they see you know, it's a whole
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: different bet in area. If it's the target book, I
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: might try to figure out where he went and move there,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and circle around someplace to get to where
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: I think he's going. Um, But if you don't, if
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'll just go to a different
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: bet in area or something. But I think if you
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: saw me, it's over. Um. You know, if I kick
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: a gear up and I'm walking in or to set up,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think you've seen me. The winds in my favor,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: but it just didn't like something of the sounds I made,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: or something any any soft bumps rather than hard and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: kind of trots out of there. Well, then I'm gonna
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: probably think about he might come back, and I might
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: look at how is he going to come back? And
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: I've set up on that in the past, and um,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I've had limited success. And most of the time if
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: I'm busted, it's because the dear circles and downwind and
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not far enough downwind. So UM, I can think
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: of a few different instances right off the top of
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: my head where I had jumped the buck out of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: a bed and had set up anyways, and had that
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: buck come back that same day, um and circle way
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: around down wind and bust me. And UM, now I
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: kind of look at it as like, if I jumped
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: that buck and I think he's gonna come back, I'm
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: gonna look down wind and think, Okay, what what is
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: he gonna do when he comes back? Because you are
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: gonna follow a transition or something, And so I want
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: to get on that downwind transition and get him circling
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: around to come back in. But if he saw me
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: or smelled me not moving, here's another mover don't move
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: A scenario. If we're just continuing on here. Let's say
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: you get up in that tree. Fine, you haven't spooked anything,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: but you see another hunter. Maybe another hunter walks by
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards away or something, um, hundred hundred
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: fifty yards close enough that you're like, oh, ship, but
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: not so close that he necessarily blew everything out that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: might be around you. Um, are you gonna wait it out?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Do you just get out of there? What's your stance
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: or how what's that distance? Source? Situation have to be
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: where you would stay or go and make that decision
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: if you didn't tenetrate the betting, if he didn't get
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: his win into the bedding or whatever, or if he
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: just kept walking past and everyone in there. I just say,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: I just sit there and hunted. And I've had people
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: walk by and had there come up and get up
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: and come past me afterwards. I'm and that's happened quite
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: a few times. And I've even kicked satellite deer that
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: aren't your target here and have them run right through
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: the bedding area, and you think your your hunt's over.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: In a little while later the buck gets upright with
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: those deer ran comes in you know. Um. But I've
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: also had that buck get up and PRONTI there. You know.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: I can remember hunt gun hunting, um, where I want
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: to set up in a bed in area, and I
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: got in there. There's people a little too close for
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: my comfort, but I was already in there. It was late,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: so I sat there, and right at closing time, a
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: two and a half year old buck got up like
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: thirty yards for me out of the thick dogwood and
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: one step at the time, real if I wanted to
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: shoot him, koto, But it was actually probably right at
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: closing time, the snuck out of there. And uh, you know,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: you'd never dreamed that buck was sitting there with people around,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: you know, But but they'll do that. What's what's too close?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, there's people too close to comfort, too
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: close for comfort for you? What's at range? Where I
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: mean a public land. Sometimes the other guys out there
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: and I've I've hunted and there's somebody within sight. Maybe
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: it's way far away, but you can see a little
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: patch of orange or something. How do you think about that?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Are you out of there if you can see someone
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: at all, or if you know they're within a couple
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: hundred yards or what's that range of comfort for you?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: You know, more it's a matter of what what they're
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: getting into, not really where they're at. You don't have
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: a person pretty close to you, and it doesn't bother
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: me at all. Um, I don't like them knowing where
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I'm at, But that's a different story. But to me,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, if they're infringing on your beding area, if
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: they're infringing on your box, that's where they're kind of
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: blowing your hunt. Um. But like you said, when a
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: person walks by, there's two kinds of walks by. They
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: walk the trail, at every hundred it walks through their
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: walks where do you expects them? Or they wander off
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: into the water real close to the bedding and through there.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: I mean you can walk right past it here if
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: you're on a trail, or or expects you, but you
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: should start getting off of it. They get real nervous
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: if you go where you don't belong. So if if
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: a hunter is just out there kind of wandering around,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: like trying to kick up ducks or something duck hunting
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: and walks into the water a little bit and stuff
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: around the beding area, there's no way I'm staying around.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Or if the guy's hunting and fringing at um or
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: say he's a hundred yards away and his wind is
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: blown right into my beding area and he's gonna stay
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: a little dark, that would probably talk me into getting
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: down and moving. Yeah, those are frustrating moments, that's for sure. Yeah,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: it happens to everybody eventually. Yes, yes it does. Let's
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: let's look at to a instead of circumstances that I
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people do with, and I'm what
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I'm most interested in is is how you would approach
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: this situation at different points in the year. The situation
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: in general, let's say is you've gone in and you're
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: hunting a location that you've you've previously picked out into something.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: It's a betting area that you snuck in instead of
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: stand on um, or it's it's a spot that you
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: came to specifically to hunt this spot, and then you
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: spot a mature buck move out of range where you
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: didn't expect him. Maybe let's say he's eighty yards away
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: or a hundred yards of way, so you've seen him
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: do something outside of what you expected. What would you
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: do the next day? In if this sighting was in
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: early season, so let's say October one, versus if it
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: was in the middle of the rut, we'll say November eight,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: versus if it was late season, we'll say end of December.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Would you do the exact same thing every one of
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: those days? Would you think about stay or go decision
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: differently depending um what's your take on that. If the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: deer was doing the same thing in each one of
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: those scenarios, like not chasing a door or something, I
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: think I would do the exact same thing in each scenario.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: I would I would get down. The next day, I'd
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: move over and hunt with that book was I think
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: your odds are probably a little higher in the late
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: season scenario. They're really patternable at that time, and then
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: their second most patternable in the early season um, and
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: then they're in the ruts, still patternable, but it sure
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: won't lasts long. Yeah, that's that's my biggest curiosity was
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: the right situation, because it's it's possible that what they're
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: doing is totally random at that time of the year,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, sometimes it's not um alright
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: for you as it all just based off of their behavior.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Is are they with a dough do they look at
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: their cruising or they wandering or you know what? You know,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: even if it's within the doll, I gotta wonder if
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the doll is going to do the same thing. I
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: really like Hunton patterns um and and you know a
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: lot of the times you're wrong, maybe maybe three out
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: of four times that deer doesn't show up again the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: next day in the same spot. But you know, I
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: like the odds of want of four. These aren't bad. Now,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: is that only if you've got the exact same or
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: similar wind, or would you do it even if the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: wind changes? Well, that's a good question. I mean, he
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: might not even be bed near or on that scenario
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: if the wind changes. But I certainly am going to
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: change if the wind changes for the bad, But I
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: might give it a shot if it If it's not
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: the same A lot of times um, and especially in
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: certain terrains, UH, they'll have other bed and areas real
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: close to where they were betted and still come out
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: using the same trail, still stage the same areas, UH,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: and do the same things. So there's a very good
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: chance that he'll still walk down that trail the next
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: day if the wind's wrong. Um. However, that's another one
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: where I think the odds are even lowered during rout
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: because in rout, a lot of times you're betting the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: trail went based on the wind a lot more than
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: the art o the times of the year. HM. Let's
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: look at this slightly different version of this, which is
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: something that a lot of people deal to where it's
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: trail camera based intel. So rather than you're seeing a
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: deer somewhere and you want to move there, let's now
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: say instead you've got a daylight trail camera picture of
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: a buck doing something, and he's doing it yesterday and
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: either you've got a cell phone picture or you checked
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: it this morning or something. You know, Hey, he moved
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: in daylight here yesterday, but today I've got different conditions.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Let's say he did two days in a row, or
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: two out of two out of three days he moved
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: in daylight in this spot with a westerly wind of
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: some kind. Today you find out about it. But you've
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: got easterly winds or some variation. Do you think the
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: winds different. I'm not going in or do you have
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: to try? Because hey, he was in the area and
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: he was daylight. I gotta try. What are your thoughts there?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Usually I'm waiting for that that wind to repeat. Um. However, um,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I guess said, ah, that could be that could change it.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Like say, stay at the morning picture and he's he's
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: under in daylight in the morning, I'm gonna say, Okay,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: well he's better really close, right, So then I might
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: try and slip in there. Um. But I think if
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I have a pattern to wind, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: wait for that wind to be the same. I'm not
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: gonna go in there and disrupt a good thing. If
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: the wind's wrong, I'm gonna try and wait for the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: same pattern. Um, I really don't want to wait too
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: long because you see, and you know this as well
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: as I do, those patterns in those betters. They might
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: be there four or five days and then they're gone
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: for two weeks, you know. I had a scenario like
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: that last year. I mean, I had a cell camo
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: and it was on a little tiny island on a
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: place about, you know, for five minutes from my house,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: and I put the cell camera there and then I
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: travel over and hunt. When you know the bucks are there,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: there's this real big twelve point on one to get,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: but there's other bucks I didn't even know about. And
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: it turned out like sixteen different pope and young bucks
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: were within in the swamp or going past that camera.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: And that camera get real active at times, and it
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: was so hard to pattern those deer because you'd pattern
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: him and then you go in there and they're bedded
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: so close you'd kick him out. But it was the
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: only place you could hunt. Everything was up to your
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: waist and water, you know, until you're on that island
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: and the islands a quarter eight here. Um. One time
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: I had that twelve point on there in daylight in
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: the morning in front of that camera, walked past with
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: a doll right around Halloween. Uh So I thought, well,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: he's got to be bedding right there. And I'm speak
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: of the wind. It is perfect. It was a rare
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: east wind, and it gave me a chance to get
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: right in there. And I'm saying I could just slip
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: out of the water right up a tree. I said,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: on the tree that thing was bed at ten yards
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: from the camera. But you can't see them because the
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: camera's not aiming at him. Sometimes those cameras frustrate you
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: more than they help you. Yeah, sure, man. So did
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: you ever figure out a way to try to hunt
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: in there without blowing them out? Or was that every year?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: I've been hunting that deer for four years. Um. This
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: last year, I really spent some time in our winter
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: swimming around, and uh, I really got into the area,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: found a couple of new uh ways to get at them.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Um going from a canal without with a kayak, I'm
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: gonna I found a spot where or some just a
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: couple of trees off to the side where there's a
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: killer bedder I didn't even know about. Um, And uh
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: it was a tangle I got earned the middle of
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: the summer and opened it up, and and I had
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: to cut a trail to get to it, um in
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: July because it's so thick with cat tells you could
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: not get to it quietly. So I have some other
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: asset ways to it in r U try. I don't
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: know how much longer this here is going to be alive.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: He's pretty old, um, but I believe he's still alive.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: I I got a glimpse of a giant there shining
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: two weeks ago coming out of that stuff that I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: think with him, But I'm not absolutely positive he speaking
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: of shining. This is something that, um, that I've been
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: thinking about a little bit more. And I know what
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: you we've talked about a little bit in the past.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: But are there any things, um, for people that want
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: to add that as something they can do, which in
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: some states, as you mentioned, you cannot do. In some
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: states you can do, but there are certain windows of
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: time when you're allowed to versus not, So make sure
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: you check your regulations, um, But can you just elaborate
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit on some specific times you should do
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: that or ways you should do it in in such
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: a fashion that actually helps you. So basically we're talking
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: about shining a spotlight and fields, but can you dive
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: into that a little bit more deeply and how you
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: can make that most useful from a hunting perspective. Yeah,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: I try to. I try not to waste my time
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: shining areas where I can't hunt. To me, it's not
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: about to sightseeing or you know, and then if it's
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: private lands and as you kiss people off, So I
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: try to stick to the to the public or to
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: land adjacent to the public where I hunt, and or
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: the farm that I have permission on, and I just
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: try to catch the deer. I think a lot of times,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: you know, here up until like I think it's uh
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: September tenth or fifteenth or something like that, you can
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: you shine all night and then and then there's a
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: limit at ten o'clock. When you shine all night, I mean,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: wait until about ten or eleven o'clock at night or
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: even later is sometimes a good thing because they're pretty
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: shy about getting to the roadsides until later. And often
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: if you go too early, as you see, is green
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: eyes a half mile back? You know, Um, catching by
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: the roads is better. I feel a lot of my
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: biggest stuff, you find a lot of my biggest stuf
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: fearing like three or four in the morning, UM, usually
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: on my way to work. UM. So once I find something,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: I narrowed down. So I'll go look at public properties
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: all over the place that I know about, and I'll
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: start narrowing my focus. First it will be a really
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: wide neck. And then when I locate some good stuff,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: I'll start, you know, really start looking around the area
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: where that good stuff is and narrowing my focus and
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: then trying to figure out what fields they're going into,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: or that the particular buck is going into, how wide
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: his pattern is, and I just try to Once I've
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: got that kind of down, I try to keep a
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: rough eye on him, you know where I'm not harassing him,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: but I just keep caps so if his pattern starts
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: changing before season, that I'm onto it and I know
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: where he's moving to or what's going on with him,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: and then you can pin that setting down to, well,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: if he's feeding out in this field at three in
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: the morning, there's a decent chance that he's betted in
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: this place. Three quarters of a mile away in this
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: place is the other direction that that's kind of how
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: you start picking where he's mostly spending time. So you
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: might be seeing him in a field at like three
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: in the morning, and a couple of nights in a
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: row you're seeing three in the morning. Then you know, Um,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: the next night you go out at ten pm and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: he's two fields over. The next day you go out,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: you know, just before daylight, at like five in the morning,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: you catch him on the other side of field over.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: I think the direction of travel, you know, so the
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: different time frames and stuff helped too. Yeah, that's a
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: good point, because that's that's the probably the biggest thing
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: is is you can you need point A and point
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: B is great, but if you don't know direction to
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: travel and when he's traveling that direction, you don't have
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: that connecting part of the puzzle. Yeah. Now, this is
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: a situation that maybe shining would be the answer to
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: to some degree. Um, maybe not, But what about this
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: totally different set of circumstances. This maybe is more of
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: a mental thing than anything. Your season open September. Right,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Let's say we get all the way to November. It's
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: been November, you've hunted in early season, you've hunted through October.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: You put in a bunch of long days during the
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: first part of the rut, and you've yet to get
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: eyes on the mature buck, nothing that you want to
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: shoot yet. You've seen young ones, you've seen lots of doughs,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: but you've had other hunters coming and muck your stuff up.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Just stuff's been going wrong. It's been a bad year.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: How do you mentally handle that? I don't know if
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: you had maybe you've had a year like that at
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: some point in your experience and you can talk to
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: me about how you handled that situation. And then secondly,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: from a tactical standpoint, at this point, you've been hunting
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: weeks and weeks and weeks and nothing. Do you think
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: that it's a keep on, keeping on kind of situation? Like, Hey,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: if you just keep doing the right things long enough,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: it'll finally come together. Or is it? No? I need
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: to call them major audible and really change things up. So,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody has hard times in their hunting. Um,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I think they affect me a lot less. Now. I
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: think if you grow with confidence you know what I mean,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: as as you grow as a hunter, and I know
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: my tactics work. I know what I'm doing works, So
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: a streak of bad luck doesn't really bother me as
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: much as it probably bothers other people, And uh I
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: can kind of laugh at those mistakes more than other people,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: I think. But I just keep going. And uh, I
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: really don't worry about yesterday. I worry about tomorrow. I think,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: to me, the only thing that really matters is what's
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: going on tomorrow. You can't change the past. So I've
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: got a different attitude than most people too. Um Usually
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: if I go if I'm hunting a certain bucket, I'm
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: hunting an area down and there's you know, ten spot.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: He could be about nine spots, and I'm smiling. I
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: feel like my my aunts are going up. I've eliminated
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of spots, you know. And if I go
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: through all ten, then I'm thinking of all case hiding
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: some spot that I'm not expecting. I'm gonna go search
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: a little harder, you know. But I do feel like
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: I'm getting closer. Even if I'm not seeing something. If
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: I know he's there, I'm gonna home down and find them.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: And if I'm not onto something that or anything, I'll
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: just go off on a mission and find something, you know,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: if it means us skipping a day of hunting and
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: putting a hard disk out and I'll go find something,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: you know, and you get to that November time frame,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: you can tell if a buck has been in an
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: area it's ripped up, you know. And I'll just go
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: and check public lands and maybe the spots I haven't
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: been to and just start going on admission to get
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: out them. You know. Yeah, yeah, So is that a
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: situation that's ever? Like you said, it's it's almost invigorating
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: maybe because you know you've you've you've crossed all these
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: different things off the map and you can finally say
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: you're narrating down when you get into a deal like that.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Do you are you at the point yet where that's
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: like a fun challenge like ship, I'm gonna figure it
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: out no matter what. Yeah, you know, UM, I do
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: get that way. I get it. I get kind of
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: like a cocky attitude where it's like, oh, you think
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: you got me out smarted. You know I'm gonna get you.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: You know. Um, I do get that way. And sometimes
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: you fail anyways, but it really doesn't feel like you fail,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: I mean to me, or is something, um there's like
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: an inner drive with me, like a like we're I
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: love to chase more than to kill and and uh,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: as long as I'm on something, I'm on a buck
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm out there trying, I'm happy. You know.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: It's almost like, uh, anti climatic when you wouldn't shoot
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: your thing, or you get one early season and you're like,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: well now what you know, it's like I can't be
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: out of state for the whole next three months. But yeah,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: it isn't the same it was when I was younger.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: I think a young guy goes out there, he's got
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: something to prove. He doesn't have a lot of bucks
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: under his belt, and he wants to show everybody that
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: he's he's a good hunter and he's adequate at what
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: he does, um, and that he's capable of doing it,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: and that he's not just all talk. So he's going
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: out there really trying to kill something. When you see
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: those young guys where you know they'll miss a shot
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: or something'll swear it themselves to throw the boat down
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: on the piste, you know, or a guy that has
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: done this for a while and just laugh at it
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: and go, you won this time, you know, um. And
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: so it's a different ballgame when you get to when
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: you're becoming an accomplished hunter. I think you're stages you
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: go through in life, and I guess some people probably
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: don't get all the way into stages, but you know,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: some people do. You mentioned the specific example of missing
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: a buck. What do you do now when you miss
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: a buck? What's how do you handle that? Mentally? How
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: do you and there was there anything you do in
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: the days afterwards to get your mind right again, or
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: to get your shooting right or anything. I know you
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: had a season I don't know if it was last year,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago where he had a little
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: bit of that streak like that. How do you mentally
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: and tactically handle that? Yeah, I had a pretty bad
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: streak last year. Um. I think I I blew five
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: opportunities in a row. Um, and that's a really nice box. Uh,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: one of them at sixteen points at least that I
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: could count from the tree. And uh, you just you know,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: it was frustrating more more than I'd like to admit.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: I'd like to tell you that. Uh, you know, I
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: laughed it all off, but you know I laughed probably
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: the first two off everyone's glass. But then you're starting
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: to realize there's something off in your game, you know. Um,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: I just there's something that wasn't right with between me
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: and my bowl. Um. I know I had an issue
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: with my um my peep. I think my vision is
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: starting to get bad as I get older, and uh
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: to topple that. I had some string twist problems and
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: I kept twisting it, um, and I wasn't going to
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: change it right in the middle of the season, and
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: it got pretty frustrating. Um. But what I did was
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: I went back home and I worked at it. I practice,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I try to make sure everything's on, you know,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: and and UH just go out there and get back
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: on the saddle and do it again, you know. And
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: I do think that or some people just get really frustrated.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: I do get in the mode where you kind of
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: get like, this ain't gonna happen to me, and I'm
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: going to prove I can't do this. And I and
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: I hunt harder, you know, I scout harder. I pushed harder.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: And even though I had all those failures last year, man,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: I sure got him to deer. You know how I
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: was on I'm like crazy. Yeah. What about the opposite
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: situation from the one we're kind of talking about where
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: you have a bad run of luck and you either
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: miss some bucks or just can't get them on them
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: all season without the opposite you. You just kind of
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: mentioned it in passing a second ago, where you fill
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: your tag early early, you kill on opening day, maybe
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: you kill your buck September and it's a one buck
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: state and yeah, maybe you can do an out of
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: state trip, but most people can't go out of state
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: for two months or three months or whatever. How would
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: you recommend or I guess you, what would you do
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: to make the most of your time over the coming
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: weeks and months after you've filled that tag and you've
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: taken your out of state trip? Um, what specifically could
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: you do in a season like that? Well, Um, for me,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: I can't just I'm a different breed and I can't.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: I just can't go out and just hunt those But
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: you just say an enemy. I love shooting them when
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: they come buy Walmoutton or whatever. But I just can't
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: bring myself to go out get doe hunter. So what
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: I like to do is, um, I do the out
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: of state trips, and then when I'm not doing out
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: of state trips, I'm either scouting or I'm taking from
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: I love to put guys that I know on on
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Boxer or guys that I know are having a hard time.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: I just randomly say I want to go hunt, and
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: then I take about and put him some wors and
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: helped get a deer and I feel really good about that. Um.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: But the scouting is really key, um, because there's not
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: too often that you have time where you can go
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: scout during season and look at those beds while they're
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: being used and not have to worry. You know, So
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: go in and scout those beding areas right during season
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: and look at what's going on. UM, I can really
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: teach you a lot more than looking at them two
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: months later after season. You know, yes, so is is
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: the best thing due to literally boots on ground, hit
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: all your good stuff in season to see exactly what's happening. Um?
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Or do you have to worry? Does does observation factor
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: at all into the type of scouting you want to
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: do in season two? Because I'm I mean there's value
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: in watching too. UM. Do you try to balance that
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: at all? Or what are your thoughts there? Not sure
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: but you know you know, UM, not as much. But
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: I do glass a little bit um after my tags
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: are filled. But I really like to just get in
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: and look at the bed nears um too, and see
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: what's being used and what's not at at specific time frames.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: You know, kick a nice tear out of something and
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: look at it where you really wouldn't want to do
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: that in season otherwise. I hope that I have a
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: ear like that. Someday I had one. Yet when I've
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of season left where I don't
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: have a dag, just out a bunch of somehow, always
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: find myself still chasing my tail around. But one of
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: the years I hope to put that into practice. Um.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: But speaking of the end of things, um to final
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: questions before I let you get back to your evening, Dan,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: two scenarios of sorts. Um, here's here's the last one.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: And we we talked about this a little bit. That
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: being the fact that right there's more people that hunt
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: like you do now than probably ever before, because of
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: the media you put out, because of podcast like this one,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: because of all these other things where people are talking
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: about how to hunt in a mobile fashion, how to
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: key in on betting areas, how to be aggressive. Um,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: it's a different world now than it was in two
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: thousand five. So what if I were to tell you
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: and you've kind of had a situation like this, if
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: you look at the public land challenges, where there's a
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: bunch of guys that kind of hunt like you. But
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  Speaker 1: let's say that we're hunting one piece of public land.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say it's pretty big, but there's a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: guys that hunt like you. There's a bunch of really
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: good beast mode deer hunters, like a lot more of
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: us are dealing with. Now we're all dealing with more
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: effective hunters. What are you doing now differently in that
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  Speaker 1: scenario than you had to do ten or fifteen years ago,
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  Speaker 1: because everyone's doing it like this. Welcome to my life,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: especially around my Alice. I mean, you gotta remember around
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: where I live, um is all Marsh Train and those
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: original Marsh Hunting DVDs, especially at Blood Brothers one. I
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: probably sold those videos around here. Um, it used to
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: be all of all the islands out here and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: we're all pretty much mine. Um. And now there's trails
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  Speaker 1: going out to there's guys hunting on him every weekend
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And what happens is the deer change and
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: you have to adapt with them. Um, So gear are
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  Speaker 1: still here. It's just a pressure puss of a different spots.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got to find the spots that are a
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  Speaker 1: little more hidden, a little more overlooked, a little more
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  Speaker 1: off to the side. Um, and you've gotta work a
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  Speaker 1: little harder. The good part is is usually, um, the
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  Speaker 1: pressure from those guys puts those deer in pretty specific spots.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's very little spots that aren't getting hit anymore. Um,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: and that's where they're at, you know. Um. And and
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  Speaker 1: another good thing is is it used to be on
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  Speaker 1: public land, every guy you ran into shot any deer
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: they saw because you're you're you're, you're so called good
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: hunters were all hunting private land. Which there's people now
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: that have private land that really would rather hunt on
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: public which, um, kind of surprising that people are tending
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: that wrong. But I'm running into a lot better hunters
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  Speaker 1: on public than I used to, a lot more knowledgeable guys,
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  Speaker 1: guys doing it the right way, and uh um, some
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: pretty cool hunters. Um, but they are infiltrating all the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: spots used to hunt. So I just I have to
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  Speaker 1: help my game and figure out that you're a little better.
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  Speaker 1: Can you describe an example of what that um less
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: obvious spot might be. Like, let's say, like the obvious
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  Speaker 1: stuff is what we learned about in that first DVD,
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  Speaker 1: which is your your islands in a marsh or a
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: point extending out into a marsh. Like everyone knows that now,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: so that's obvious to most guys or girls. What what
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: would be the dan infalt pro move? And now maybe
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: you don't want to give us away, Maybe maybe you
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: need to hold this one back then, But what's like
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: that off the beaten path adjustment? Now that's where you
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: have to adjust to. Well. Um, there's still betting on
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: the points, the islands, things like that, but they're betting
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  Speaker 1: on ones that aren't as obvious. You can't seem as
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  Speaker 1: well on a on a map. Um, Sometimes you gotta
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  Speaker 1: get your eyes on to really see what's going on. UM.
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  Speaker 1: Spots you find, um that you really can't see unless
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: you walk them. So you go through there in winter,
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  Speaker 1: I've still not seeing many guys doing the winter scouting. Um.
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  Speaker 1: For how many guys I've seen out there on the
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: island and stuff, it's it's pretty impressive, But I go
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: out there and in winter spring I'm not seeing people.
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  Speaker 1: So people still aren't adapting in that manner very well.
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  Speaker 1: But they are hunting the obvious stuff that they didn't
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: used to hunt. So putting some boots on the ground
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: and really scouring those those transitions, I found a lot
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: of really really good stuff that's like thick transitions with
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: mixed um dogwood and tamaracks, stuff that slowly mix us
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: into cattails and stuff. And there's a point but it's
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: really hard to see when you get in there and
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: you find this little hole that's perfect for a deer,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: but you really couldn't see it unless you walked inner
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: and looked. But you know, and some of those spots,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: believe paid off a lot more nice I can. I
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  Speaker 1: can envision a spot just like that on a place
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  Speaker 1: I hunt that I've kind of discovered something similar. So
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: it's interesting you say that. Um, okay, here's my last one. Dan,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: You've been a good sport. Thank you for for tackling
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: all these these various ideas that I'm sending your way.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: But here's the last one. Um, I'm an asshole, and
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: I am going to take away your hunting rights for
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: all of the next ten years. Dan. You can't hunt
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: at all for ten years unless unless this coming season.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: You're able to kill a four and a half year
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  Speaker 1: old er older buck, but I'm not gonna give you
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: one day to do it. You've got one day to
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: save the next ten years of your hunting life. What
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: day are you going to choose for that very high
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: stakes hunt? And then, with as much detail as you
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: can possibly describe, describe the ideal spot you are going
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: to hunt on that specific day to kill this buff
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: that's gonna save your next ten years. Um, probably December one? Wow?
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  Speaker 1: And uh, probably I'm gonna hunt at a food source
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: that I've been glassing. Interesting, I would have not have
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: expected that late season. So okay, give me a little
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: more detail on this. So you've been glassing of food source.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: It's super late season. Um, how are you setting up
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: on this food source on December thirty one? You've been
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: glassing so Um. What I found is the most patternable
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  Speaker 1: time to kill him mature bulk in daylight is right
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: at the end of our season up here. If you're
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: talking Wisconsin, I think it changes if you get to
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: the south because of the warmer weather, but usually that
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: coincid sides with us getting really cold, and usually right
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: about the last week of the season here, it just
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: really gets on fire and there's nobody else out there. Um,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: but it is um feast your famine. So you're either
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: in the deer or not. But um, if you drive around,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: you you scout a lot, you go check a lot
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: of spots. You'll find a spot or um a lot
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: of deer kyrie and there'll be some big bucks in there.
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  Speaker 1: And it takes watching them from a distance to kind
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: of pinpoint and then make a move. And uh Um.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't killed a ton of bucks doing that, mainly
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  Speaker 1: because I'm usually tagged out at that time of the year.
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  Speaker 1: But I put some of my friends on some really
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: good ones and I have taken a few at that
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  Speaker 1: time frame and had a lot of fun. Triumph. Um.
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  Speaker 1: There are some downfalls, Like I can remember a couple
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: of years back when I was onto a group of
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: deer that were feeding in some dogwoods and they'd show
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: up every night, and I was using a human access
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: trail to get back here, and I climb up a
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: tree dlo that access and people would walk that trail
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: during the day and once or twice a week and
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: deer were used to human scent on him and I
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: would get in there and these boxes start coming out
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: and there was there's at least three deer in the
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: one sixties and uh one big ten point. I really
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: wanted to shoot. And I finally got that deer rennerneath me,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: and he came walking right under the base in my
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: tree and got out to about ten or eleven yards
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  Speaker 1: and turned quartern away and turned his head face and
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: the other way as it drew, and like I got him.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: And right when I came to full draw, I heard
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: a snort beside me and an eight pointer had spotted
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: me in the tree, and as I squeezed the trigger,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: the tent pointer to run him. Luckily I completely missed
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: them because because dropping the string. But that's the downfall
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: is you have a lot of deer on you have
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of eyes on you, there's no cover in
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: the trees. Yeah, but it is probably the best time
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: to shoot immature book is at the end of the season,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: and you can drive around during a car in any
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: perk and lunter and and sole in the woods, especially
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: if you gets done to like ten degrees. But man
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: of the deer out, well, that is has a good answer.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: It is not what I was expecting. So I like
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: a little surprise here at the end. Dan, it's good stuff. UM,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I appreciate you playing along with this idea.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: And I learned some new things here today about you,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: which which is cool. UM for people listening that want
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: to get more from you, who want to see your
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: videos or read your forum or FOLLO along with anything
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: you've got going on or any of your different products
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: and things like that. What do you want people to
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: know about? Where should they go? I got a great
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: YouTube page that's got some really good videos of the
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: hunts that I do. Um. You can follow me on Facebook, UM,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: I tell some cool stories, or you can communicate with you.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: There have a website called uh dock the Hunting Beast
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: dot com that's a foreign base. UM and uh I
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: sell climbing sticks and I'm gonna have a lot of
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: stock at the end of next month, the sticks that
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: everybody's looking for. And what's the website to find the
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: sticks Hunting Beast gear dot com. Perfect? All right, Dan,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: you passed the what would you do challenge with line colors?
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  Speaker 1: That's fun fun. Yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed. I enjoyed
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: it too. So if we enjoyed it. That's all that matters, right,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: all right, Dan, Well, thank you and best of luck.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: I hope that you don't have one of those seasons
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: where it's mid November and you're still trying favre out
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: what to do? You know? Then ideal situation, you pounded
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: all year and you shoot, you shoot your book on
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: December thirty one and the last day. There is nothing
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: sweeter than that. You're right, that is the uh, the
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: slow build, that's the slow build. All right, Dan, this
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: has been great, Thanks again, Okay, thank you, and that's
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: gonna do it. I hope you guys enjoyed that one.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: Make sure check out all the rest of Dan's content
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: across The Hunting Beast and elsewhere. And as I mentioned
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: at the top, listen to the other episodes that we
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: have a Dan in Fault. They're really good. They cover
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: different ground in what we covered today and uh And honestly,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: even if you already listened to it, it might be
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: worth re listening to. With this new information in your head,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: I think stuff will start to make more sense. So
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: check it out. Search for Dan and fault. Um, he's
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: he's been on a bunch. They're all great. So with
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: that said, thanks for listening, good luck with your summer scouting,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: or if it's during the hunting season when you're listening
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: to this, good luck with your hunting and until next time,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: stay wired to hunt.