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- 0:00Speaker 1: Picture this. It is an Indonesian night, and the humidity
- 0:03Speaker 1: is just completely suffocating, right, It's that heavy, wet heat exactly.
- 0:09Speaker 1: You are standing right in the middle of a vast
- 0:12Speaker 1: sugar cane field. The air is so thick it's almost
- 0:14Speaker 1: too heavy to breathe, and it carries this rich, metallic
- 0:18Speaker 1: scent of wet earth.
- 0:20Speaker 2: And it's pitch black out there.
- 0:21Speaker 1: Completely dark. The only sound is the wind just rustling
- 0:24Speaker 1: through these towering stalks of sugar cane that surround you
- 0:27Speaker 1: on all sides. It creates this literal wall of shadows.
- 0:31Speaker 1: And down in the earth, surrounded by that cold, dense mud,
- 0:36Speaker 1: is a woman buried right in the ground. Yeah, she
- 0:38Speaker 1: is buried waist deep in the soil. But here is
- 0:41Speaker 1: the truly terrifying part of this scene.
- 0:43Speaker 2: She isn't screaming, not making a sound.
- 0:46Speaker 1: No, she isn't fighting to pull herself free at all.
- 0:48Speaker 1: She is perfectly still. Her eyes are wide with anticipation
- 0:52Speaker 1: because she believes with every fiber of her being that
- 0:55Speaker 1: this is a sacred ritual.
- 0:56Speaker 2: She thinks it's a blessing.
- 0:57Speaker 1: She believes this burial is the exact key to changing
- 1:00Speaker 1: her life, that it will bring her love wealth, profound luck.
- 1:04Speaker 1: And then from the darkness of the sugar cane come
- 1:07Speaker 1: the footsteps, slow, deliberate. You can hear the crunch of
- 1:12Speaker 1: boots on the damp earth getting closer. You're standing there
- 1:15Speaker 1: in the dark, and you know what she does it.
- 1:17Speaker 1: You know, this isn't some spiritual awakening.
- 1:20Speaker 2: It's a trap.
- 1:20Speaker 1: It's a trap. It is a masterclass in psychological manipulation,
- 1:24Speaker 1: and it's about to snap shut with devastating finality.
- 1:28Speaker 2: It's just I mean, it is a scene that feels
- 1:30Speaker 2: completely engineered for a psychological thriller. Yeah, yet the sheer
- 1:35Speaker 2: terror of it comes from the fact that it is
- 1:37Speaker 2: documented reality. What you just describe, that's the culmination of
- 1:41Speaker 2: immense trust placed in the hands of a predator who
- 1:44Speaker 2: is wearing the mask of a spiritual guide.
- 1:46Speaker 1: And that horrifying reality is our focus for you today.
- 1:49Speaker 1: On this deep dive, we are examining one of the
- 1:52Speaker 1: most chilling, bizarre true crime cases in history.
- 1:55Speaker 2: It really is.
- 1:56Speaker 1: We're looking at the story of a mad Seraji. He
- 1:58Speaker 1: was an infamous practitioner of dark magic in Indonesia, and
- 2:02Speaker 1: his crimes basically force an entire country to grapple with
- 2:05Speaker 1: the darkest corners of human nature.
- 2:07Speaker 2: Well, to really understand how a predator like Saraji operates,
- 2:10Speaker 2: we have to establish the environment that even allowed him
- 2:13Speaker 2: to thrive in the first.
- 2:14Speaker 1: Place, right, the cultural context.
- 2:16Speaker 2: Exactly in this specific cultural backdrop, black magic or sorcery
- 2:21Speaker 2: is not treated as just spooky folklore. It functions as
- 2:25Speaker 2: a highly integrated system of problem solving.
- 2:28Speaker 1: People actually rely on it, they do.
- 2:30Speaker 2: People from all walks of life seek out ducans, those
- 2:33Speaker 2: are shamans or sorcerers, and they go to them for
- 2:36Speaker 2: tangible solutions to deeply personal issues like what kind of issues,
- 2:40Speaker 2: I mean anything. They might want to secure a marriage,
- 2:43Speaker 2: maybe heal a stubborn illness, or even gain a competitive
- 2:46Speaker 2: edge in their business.
- 2:47Speaker 1: So it's very practical for them.
- 2:49Speaker 2: Highly practical, and this ingrained belief system creates a very
- 2:53Speaker 2: unique vulnerability. When an individual believes their spiritual guide literally
- 2:57Speaker 2: holds the power to alter reality to manifest their deepest desires,
- 3:02Speaker 2: their critical thinking is entirely bypassed.
- 3:04Speaker 1: Because the reward is so high.
- 3:06Speaker 2: Right, they will follow instructions no matter how isolating or
- 3:09Speaker 2: strange or frightening. Those instructions become the promise of the
- 3:12Speaker 2: reward completely outweighs their immediate fear, and.
- 3:15Speaker 1: We see that vulnerability weaponized perfectly in the events that
- 3:19Speaker 1: ultimately unraveled Seraji's whole facade.
- 3:22Speaker 2: It started with a mistake on his part.
- 3:24Speaker 1: It begins with the disappearance of a woman named Kamala.
- 3:27Speaker 1: She just vanishes without a trace. Her family is as
- 3:31Speaker 1: you would expect, frantic. They are navigating that agonizing limbo
- 3:35Speaker 1: where they just don't know if she is hurt, lost,
- 3:38Speaker 1: or worse.
- 3:38Speaker 2: The worst kind of pain.
- 3:40Speaker 1: Yeah, so they hold a three day wake in their
- 3:42Speaker 1: village to mourn and just pray for answers. And sitting
- 3:46Speaker 1: right there in the very center of the grieving family
- 3:49Speaker 1: for those three days pouring tea and offering prayers is
- 3:52Speaker 1: a mad Seraji.
- 3:54Speaker 2: I mean, think about the psychological compartmentalization that takes. He
- 3:58Speaker 2: used the family's grief as an active form of.
- 4:00Speaker 1: Camouflage, hiding in plainsight exactly.
- 4:04Speaker 2: He knew the authorities were beginning to look in his direction,
- 4:06Speaker 2: so he positioned himself as the absolute pillar of the community.
- 4:10Speaker 2: He was comforting Kamala's parents, playing the role of the
- 4:12Speaker 2: benevolent spiritual leader, and they bought it completely. To the family.
- 4:16Speaker 2: He was a revered figure. The mere suggestion that he
- 4:19Speaker 2: could be involved in her disappearance was offensive to their worldview.
- 4:23Speaker 1: It's chilling to think about him drinking their tea, knowing
- 4:26Speaker 1: full well he's the reason they are crying. But while
- 4:29Speaker 1: he was doing that, the police were taking a very
- 4:31Speaker 1: different approach.
- 4:32Speaker 2: They weren't blinded by his reputation.
- 4:34Speaker 1: No, they ignored his social standing completely. They focused entirely
- 4:38Speaker 1: on the timeline of Kamala's last known movements, and several
- 4:42Speaker 1: witnesses came forward with a crucial, undeniable piece of information,
- 4:47Speaker 1: the turning point. Yes before Kamala vanished, she told them
- 4:51Speaker 1: she was heading to Saragi's house to request a magical favor.
- 4:55Speaker 2: That specific detail is what transformed Seraji from a prominent
- 4:59Speaker 2: community member into the prime suspect. She went to him
- 5:03Speaker 2: seeking his supposed supernatural abilities.
- 5:06Speaker 1: It was a direct link right.
- 5:08Speaker 2: The investigators suddenly realized his role as a sorcerer wasn't
- 5:11Speaker 2: just his job, it was his modus operandi. They had
- 5:14Speaker 2: a causal link between his spiritual practice and her disappearance.
- 5:18Speaker 1: So the police bring him in for questioning. You can
- 5:20Speaker 1: imagine the tension in that interrogation room. It must have
- 5:23Speaker 1: been palpable.
- 5:23Speaker 2: Absolutely.
- 5:24Speaker 1: Investigators are pressing him on the witness statements, breaking down
- 5:27Speaker 1: the timeline, cornering him with the fact that Kamala's final
- 5:30Speaker 1: destination was his doorstep, And under that intense pressure, the
- 5:34Speaker 1: respected sorcerer finally cracks, but.
- 5:37Speaker 2: Not the way they expected, not at all.
- 5:39Speaker 1: The confession he offers leaves the investigators staring into an
- 5:42Speaker 1: abyss they were entirely unprepared for. He doesn't just confess
- 5:46Speaker 1: to the murder of Kamala.
- 5:48Speaker 2: No, he details a sprawling, multi year campaign of violence.
- 5:52Speaker 1: He confesses to killing more than forty two women, ranging
- 5:56Speaker 1: in age from seventeen to fifty, all within that single
- 5:59Speaker 1: village's surround.
- 6:00Speaker 2: A forty two women. It's staggering.
- 6:03Speaker 1: These seasoned investigators thought they were untangling a single tragic homicide.
- 6:07Speaker 1: Suddenly they find themselves sitting across from one of the
- 6:09Speaker 1: most prolific serial killers in the region's history.
- 6:12Speaker 2: And that confession immediately triggered a logistical and forensic nightmare.
- 6:16Speaker 1: Pieces of where he put them.
- 6:17Speaker 2: Exactly, Saraji admitted to burying his victims out in the
- 6:21Speaker 2: local sugar cane fields. Law enforcement had to descend on
- 6:23Speaker 2: these vast muddy agricultural lands. They spent an entire month
- 6:28Speaker 2: systematically digging through heavy wet earth.
- 6:31Speaker 1: A whole month of digging.
- 6:32Speaker 2: Day after day, dozens of officers pulling over forty two
- 6:37Speaker 2: bodies and skeletal remains from the mud, all while working
- 6:40Speaker 2: through brutal monsoon conditions.
- 6:43Speaker 1: I mean the environment alone would have been catastrophic for
- 6:45Speaker 1: preserving any kind of evidence.
- 6:47Speaker 2: It was the highly acidic mud and the constant moisture
- 6:51Speaker 2: severely degraded the physical remains. Gathering standard forensic data like
- 6:56Speaker 2: time of death or specific trauma became nearly impossible for
- 7:00Speaker 2: many of the older victims.
- 7:01Speaker 1: And then there's the issue of figuring out who they.
- 7:03Speaker 2: All were right. Compounding the forensic challenge was the issue
- 7:07Speaker 2: of identification. Because Saraji's reputation as a powerful sorcerer had
- 7:11Speaker 2: spread far beyond his local village, women traveled from neighboring
- 7:15Speaker 2: provinces to seek his.
- 7:16Speaker 1: Help, which means local police reports are totally useless.
- 7:19Speaker 2: Precisely, they couldn't just check the immediate areas missing person's
- 7:23Speaker 2: log without a centralized digital database. In rural nineteen nineties Indonesia,
- 7:29Speaker 2: investigators had to cast a massive.
- 7:31Speaker 1: Net so they are doing all of this manually.
- 7:33Speaker 2: Pure manual labor, sweeping cross references of missing women across
- 7:37Speaker 2: multiple regions, trying to match dental records and personal effects
- 7:41Speaker 2: pulled from the mud to families hundreds of miles away.
- 7:44Speaker 2: It was a staggering undertaking.
- 7:46Speaker 1: That sheer volume of victims forty two women really forces
- 7:50Speaker 1: us to look backward, because a killing spree of that
- 7:53Speaker 1: magnitude doesn't just happen overnight. It requires an inciting incident.
- 7:56Speaker 2: There's always a trigger always.
- 7:58Speaker 1: For Saraji, that incident'supposedly happened in nineteen eighty eight, and
- 8:01Speaker 1: it ties directly back to his father. Saraji inherited his
- 8:06Speaker 1: profession from his father, who was a famous and highly sought.
- 8:09Speaker 2: After sorcerer big shoes to fill.
- 8:11Speaker 1: Very big. Saraji took over the practice, but according to
- 8:14Speaker 1: his own confession, he felt overshadowed. Then in nineteen eighty eight,
- 8:18Speaker 1: he claimed the ghost of his dead father appeared to
- 8:20Speaker 1: him with a set of instructions.
- 8:21Speaker 2: The vision he described represents a dark, dark descent into
- 8:25Speaker 2: delusion and pathological ambition.
- 8:27Speaker 1: What did the ghost tell him?
- 8:28Speaker 2: The ghost allegedly told him that to become the most
- 8:30Speaker 2: powerful sorcerer in Indonesia. To possess the ultimate ability to
- 8:34Speaker 2: command the devil to grant his magical requests, he had
- 8:37Speaker 2: to fulfill a specific demonic quota. A quota. Yes, the
- 8:40Speaker 2: instructions demanded that Saraji murdered more than seventy women and
- 8:44Speaker 2: consume their saliva.
- 8:45Speaker 1: Consuming the saliva is just such a specific, visceral horrific
- 8:50Speaker 1: detail it is.
- 8:52Speaker 2: It taps into very old occult tropes of consuming a
- 8:55Speaker 2: victim's life essence, but paired with his specific psychological probes file,
- 9:00Speaker 2: it reveals a profound insecurity because of his father right,
- 9:04Speaker 2: he was burdened by the generational legacy of a legendary father.
- 9:07Speaker 2: He wanted ultimate power in the underworld to validate his
- 9:10Speaker 2: status in the living world. By taking these lives and
- 9:14Speaker 2: consuming their essence, he literally believed he was physically leveling
- 9:18Speaker 2: up his spiritual authority.
- 9:19Speaker 1: It is a stark example of how a deeply held
- 9:22Speaker 1: delusion can entirely overwrite a person's humanity. He turned human
- 9:26Speaker 1: lives into mere stepping stones.
- 9:28Speaker 2: For power, just fuel for his own ambition.
- 9:30Speaker 1: Now, the timeline of these murders shows this wasn't a sudden,
- 9:32Speaker 1: frantic spree. It was a sustained, calculated campaign that spanned years.
- 9:37Speaker 1: But interestingly, there was a period where he.
- 9:39Speaker 2: Paused, He took a break from the killings he did.
- 9:42Speaker 1: He stopped for a while, but then, he claimed he
- 9:44Speaker 1: started to feel his magical influence waning. He felt his
- 9:47Speaker 1: power slipping away. So to renew his supernatural authority, he
- 9:51Speaker 1: decided to resume the hunt. Only this time he required assistance.
- 9:56Speaker 2: He couldn't do it alone anymore.
- 9:57Speaker 1: Right, he brought it in accomplices.
- 9:58Speaker 2: He enlisted his two wives.
- 10:00Speaker 1: They both lived with them in the same house. The
- 10:02Speaker 1: mechanics of bringing your spouses into a mass murder operation
- 10:06Speaker 1: it requires a deep dive into the anatomy of complicity.
- 10:10Speaker 2: It functions very much like a microcosm of a cult.
- 10:12Speaker 1: How do you normalize that kind of abnormal behavior in
- 10:16Speaker 1: a home?
- 10:16Speaker 2: According to the investigation, Saraji utilized a potent combination of
- 10:20Speaker 2: psychological dominance, fear of his supposed magic, and sheer financial dependency.
- 10:26Speaker 1: Because he was the sole provider, he.
- 10:28Speaker 2: Was making significant money from his sorcery practice. He sat
- 10:31Speaker 2: his wives down, explained the ghost's prophecy, and warned them
- 10:35Speaker 2: his fading powers threatened their livelihood and their status in
- 10:39Speaker 2: the community.
- 10:39Speaker 1: So he made it their problem too, Exactly.
- 10:42Speaker 2: Over time, through isolation and manipulation, he eroded their moral boundaries.
- 10:47Speaker 2: They transitioned from wives to active recruiters. They used their
- 10:50Speaker 2: position as women to build trust with desperate, vulnerable clients,
- 10:55Speaker 2: eventually luring them right into Saraji's home.
- 10:57Speaker 1: They literally became the bait. Yes, And as this horrifying
- 11:01Speaker 1: family business scaled up, Saraji's methods evolved. Digging forty two
- 11:06Speaker 1: graves in dense, muddy soil is grueling physical labor. Prioritizing
- 11:11Speaker 1: his own convenience, Saraji decided the process of killing someone
- 11:15Speaker 1: and then burying their lifeless dead weight was just too exhausting.
- 11:18Speaker 2: It's sickening how practical he was about.
- 11:20Speaker 1: It, It really is. He innovated a new method which
- 11:23Speaker 1: brings us all the way back to that terrifying scene
- 11:25Speaker 1: in the sugarcane field we talked about at the start.
- 11:28Speaker 2: His solution is a profound demonstration of psychological control. He
- 11:32Speaker 2: used his authority as a spiritual guide to convince his
- 11:35Speaker 2: victims that the magic ritual they were paying for explicitly
- 11:38Speaker 2: required them to be buried waist deep in the sugar
- 11:40Speaker 2: cane field at night.
- 11:41Speaker 1: He told them it was a rule for the spell.
- 11:43Speaker 2: He framed it as a necessary trial, a test of
- 11:46Speaker 2: their faith and commitment to the spells they were seeking.
- 11:50Speaker 1: So the victims were effectively digging their own partial graves,
- 11:53Speaker 1: or at least willingly standing in them, while the earth
- 11:56Speaker 1: was packed around.
- 11:57Speaker 2: Their legs, volunteering to be trapped.
- 12:00Speaker 1: The psychology of those final moments is just chilling. The
- 12:03Speaker 1: victim is standing in the dark, immobilized in the dirt.
- 12:07Speaker 1: She is entirely helpless, but she feels safe.
- 12:10Speaker 2: She thinks she's doing the right thing.
- 12:11Speaker 1: She believes she is on the precipice of a miracle
- 12:13Speaker 1: that will fix her life. Saraji approaches her, operating under
- 12:18Speaker 1: the guise of completing the sacred ritual. While she's trapped
- 12:22Speaker 1: looking to him for spiritual salvation.
- 12:24Speaker 2: He strangles her just an absolute betrayal of trust.
- 12:27Speaker 1: He consumes her saliva to fulfill his father's quota, and
- 12:31Speaker 1: because she is already waist deep, he merely has to
- 12:34Speaker 1: push the remaining soil over her. It was a calculated efficiency,
- 12:38Speaker 1: designed entirely to minimize his physical exertion, and.
- 12:41Speaker 2: During the excavation of those bodies, police uncovered a ritualistic
- 12:45Speaker 2: detail that further highlighted his total submission to this delusion.
- 12:49Speaker 1: It wasn't just random placement, not at all.
- 12:51Speaker 2: As they cleared the mud, they noticed a strict spatial pattern.
- 12:55Speaker 2: Every single victim's face had been deliberately positioned by Saraji
- 13:00Speaker 2: to point directly toward.
- 13:01Speaker 1: His house, pacing his home.
- 13:03Speaker 2: Yes, this was a rigid obedience to the rules laid
- 13:06Speaker 2: out by his dead father. Even in the active disposal,
- 13:10Speaker 2: he was forcing his victims to eternally face the source
- 13:13Speaker 2: of his supposed power, treating them as permanent conduits for
- 13:16Speaker 2: his magic.
- 13:17Speaker 1: With the bodies finally recovered and a full confession in hand,
- 13:21Speaker 1: you would think the legal proceedings would be completely straightforward,
- 13:24Speaker 1: slam dunk. You would hope so, But the initial trial
- 13:27Speaker 1: resulted in a massive frustration for the prosecution. We have
- 13:31Speaker 1: to look back at the condition of those sugarcane fields.
- 13:33Speaker 2: The degraded evidence played a pivotal role in the courtroom.
- 13:36Speaker 1: The wet earth had destroyed so much of the forensic data.
- 13:40Speaker 1: Establishing the precise cause of death for the older remains
- 13:43Speaker 1: was incredibly difficult, and the defense capitalized on this lack
- 13:46Speaker 1: of ironclad physical proof.
- 13:48Speaker 2: They used the mud to their advantage.
- 13:49Speaker 1: They did. As a result, the court felt they could
- 13:52Speaker 1: not hand down the death penalty immediately. They sentenced Saraji
- 13:56Speaker 1: and his wives to twenty five years in prison, which is.
- 13:59Speaker 2: Just a slap in the face given the scale of
- 14:01Speaker 2: the crimes. The reaction from the village was explosive, and
- 14:05Speaker 2: it is crucial to understand why.
- 14:07Speaker 1: It wasn't just standard outrage.
- 14:09Speaker 2: No, this wasn't just public anger over a lenient sentence.
- 14:12Speaker 2: This was an existential ontological shock. These villagers had respected him,
- 14:17Speaker 2: They had sought his counsel, They had dined with him,
- 14:20Speaker 2: and mourned alongside him at wakes for the very women
- 14:22Speaker 2: he had slaughtered.
- 14:23Speaker 1: The betrayal cut to the core of their spiritual belief
- 14:26Speaker 1: system exactly.
- 14:28Speaker 2: The village absolutely refused to accept the court's decision. They
- 14:31Speaker 2: marched on his property, the very house those victims had
- 14:34Speaker 2: been forced to face, and they burned to the ground.
- 14:37Speaker 1: They took matters into their own hands.
- 14:38Speaker 2: They were attempting to purge his influence from their community completely.
- 14:43Speaker 2: The case sparked a massive public outcry across all of Indonesia.
- 14:47Speaker 2: It exposed the dark underbelly of unregulated spiritual practices and
- 14:51Speaker 2: left a wound that the public refused to let heal
- 14:54Speaker 2: without a definitive resolution, And the.
- 14:56Speaker 1: Justice system did eventually respond to that pressure, though it
- 14:59Speaker 1: took a.
- 14:59Speaker 2: Grou ten years a decade of waiting.
- 15:02Speaker 1: During that decade, investigators did not stop. They continued to
- 15:05Speaker 1: build the case, finding new ways to solidify the evidence
- 15:09Speaker 1: against him. Finally, in two thousand and eight, a retrial was.
- 15:12Speaker 2: Held and things went differently.
- 15:14Speaker 1: Armed with tighter legal arguments and a comprehensive presentation of
- 15:18Speaker 1: his sustained, calculated methods, the prosecution finally secured the ultimate punishment.
- 15:24Speaker 1: Amadsaraji was sentenced to death.
- 15:26Speaker 2: The execution itself carried a heavy symbolic weight. How so,
- 15:31Speaker 2: he was not put to death quietly behind prison walls.
- 15:34Speaker 2: He was executed by a firing squad in a public square.
- 15:37Speaker 2: He had to stand there facing the very society he
- 15:40Speaker 2: had manipulated and terrorized.
- 15:42Speaker 1: A cinematic end, and the consequences extended far beyond his execution.
- 15:46Speaker 2: Even in death, he couldn't escape it.
- 15:48Speaker 1: When a person dies, there is usually a family waiting
- 15:51Speaker 1: to claim them, a community willing to offer a final
- 15:53Speaker 1: resting place. But for Saraji, the rejection was absolute. His
- 15:58Speaker 1: own family refused to take his body.
- 16:00Speaker 2: They disowned him entirely.
- 16:01Speaker 1: The village, the same community that once revered him as
- 16:04Speaker 1: a powerful leader, banned his remains from their soil forever.
- 16:08Speaker 1: They successfully petitioned to ensure he could not be buried
- 16:11Speaker 1: anywhere near them. He had to be transported over fifty
- 16:14Speaker 1: kilometers away and buried in an unmarked grave in total isolation.
- 16:19Speaker 2: A man who murdered dozens of women in a quest
- 16:22Speaker 2: for eternal recognition and power ended up entirely erased by
- 16:26Speaker 2: his own people.
- 16:27Speaker 1: It is a fitting end for someone who viewed human
- 16:30Speaker 1: life as expendable currency. Absolutely, it brings a definitive close
- 16:34Speaker 1: to the timeline of Saraji's crimes, But the case leaves
- 16:37Speaker 1: behind a psychological paradox that we want you to consider.
- 16:40Speaker 2: This is the part that really stays with you.
- 16:42Speaker 1: It really does. Throughout his confessions, his interrogations, and his trials,
- 16:45Speaker 1: Saraji maintained one very specific claim. He insisted that his
- 16:50Speaker 1: magic actually grew stronger with every murder he committed. He
- 16:53Speaker 1: genuinely believed the demonic quota was working.
- 16:56Speaker 2: But here is the unsettling part. The villagers agreed with
- 16:59Speaker 2: his assessment.
- 17:00Speaker 1: Yes, before they knew he was a serial killer. During
- 17:03Speaker 1: the very years he was actively burying women in the
- 17:05Speaker 1: sugarcane fields, the locals swore his spells were working flawlessly.
- 17:10Speaker 2: People who went to him for love, for wealth, for luck,
- 17:15Speaker 2: they reported getting exactly what they asked for.
- 17:17Speaker 1: His reputation as a miracle worker piqued at the exact
- 17:20Speaker 1: same time as killing spree was at its most prolific.
- 17:23Speaker 2: It forces us to ask a deeply uncomfortable question about
- 17:26Speaker 2: the mechanics of belief. Was his growing power and the
- 17:30Speaker 2: reported success of his spells simply a massive placebo.
- 17:34Speaker 1: Effect, a self fulfilling prophecy.
- 17:36Speaker 2: Right Was it fueled by his own surging dark confidence,
- 17:39Speaker 2: which made his clients believe more strongly in their own outcomes,
- 17:42Speaker 2: thereby manifesting those outcomes through their own renewed actions.
- 17:45Speaker 1: Or does absolute unquestioning belief, no matter how horrifically the
- 17:49Speaker 1: foundation of that belief is built, somehow alter the fabric
- 17:52Speaker 1: of reality for the people involved.
- 17:54Speaker 2: The terrifying thought.
- 17:55Speaker 1: Did human psychology do all the heavy lifting creating a
- 17:58Speaker 1: shared illusion of power? Or is there a darker current
- 18:01Speaker 1: running underneath that unquestioning faith. It's a question that lingers
- 18:05Speaker 1: long after the sugarcane fields were emptied and the firing
- 18:07Speaker 1: squad lowered their weapons. Keep that in mind the next
- 18:10Speaker 1: time you wonder what kind of shadows hide behind closed doors,
- 18:13Speaker 1: or what terrible things people will justify when they believe
- 18:16Speaker 1: they hold the power to control fate itself.