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Ep. 161 - Candyman (1992) · Frightmares

• 0:43
  Speaker 1: Candy Man, candy Man, candy Man, candy Man, candy Man.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: So we're here to talk about Saul again.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Did didn't too? Yeah? No, in the case you haven't wondered,
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: we are talking about candy Man today and I didn't
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: change the thing. But that's okay, silly but silly goose
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: over here. Yeah, we figured it'd be fun to do that,
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: maybe a candy mail show, even though we're not in
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: front of a mirror, but he'll show.
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: Up and say what's goingsides? Maybe it could have been
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: a thing.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is reflective. I'll keep an eye out exactly.
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: We were talking about the nineteen ninety two one, but
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: I am sure the remake will come up at some point.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: It's only it's only human nature to talk about the
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: remake since we're talking about this one. But that is
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: the topic for the day. It is still slash Tober
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: and we are doing all Scream Factory releases this month.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: So I just watched the new four K release of
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: this and it was pretty It was interesting. It was
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: obviously very well done, because I mean, I shout Factory
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  Speaker 1: as yet to disappoint me with the four K. Really
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: at least that I've watched. I don't know, I haven't
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: seen every single one of them, but for the most part,
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: you know, we're talking like four to like, you know,
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: four and a half to five out of five, like
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: great stuff, but like some of it, I don't know,
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: some of the scenes were kind of really graining and
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: then some are like really clear. I don't have the.
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: Same on the Sea, so I have the Blue Ray,
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: so it's cool to talk about this real quick. But okay,
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  Speaker 2: it was the same with the Blue ray, the Shouts
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: Blue Ray obviously the release they did before the four K, right,
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: some set for Granny, some were not. So it just
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: happened to be, you know, just with their film, I
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  Speaker 2: mean the on on Blue Rady a Calm. The four
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  Speaker 2: K only got like an extra like three points higher
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  Speaker 2: than okay, well for a picture like a like a
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  Speaker 2: I think it was like a four to three for
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  Speaker 2: the Blue Rin, like a four four or five or
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: four six for the four K for for a picture,
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  Speaker 2: so like the picture probably is the samble it, except
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  Speaker 2: you know, some more defining blacks and stuff on the
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  Speaker 2: four K.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not kidding. I Uh, there's one scene when
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  Speaker 1: she goes into the medicine cabinet for the first time,
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: she's looking around. That's when I hit the details and
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: it was like eighty nine ninety three and then it
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: spiked all the way up to one hundred and twelve
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  Speaker 1: megabytes and I was like, oh. I was like, that's
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: some good ship. So the black levels looked great, the
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: movie looked really good. And also I didn't even realize this,
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: but it does. Haven't. This hasn't at most track. I
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: didn't realize that.
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  Speaker 2: What did you watch it on?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, since mine's not for latmost. It was
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  Speaker 1: the d T A d T s H D seven one,
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: so it just downscaled from atmost to seven to one.
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  Speaker 1: But it still sounded great. Yeah, like that was definitely
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  Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't even realize that until I hit
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  Speaker 1: the details. I was like, oh shit, I didn't realize
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  Speaker 1: this was an atmost So that was really cool. But
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: they also have the five to one mono and stereo,
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: so they have a few options there. And then of
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: course they have the four K, which is interesting that
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: they fit both cuts onto this one. But then they
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: gave me two blu rays, one for the maybe one
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: has special features and shipped on it too, I guess.
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: Well. Also, the four K can hold more like the
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: disc For four K discs, it ranges. It could range
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  Speaker 2: from sixty six to one hundred gigabytes versus versus Blu
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  Speaker 2: rays are fifty. Okay, So so that's so there's more
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  Speaker 2: room on There's more room on a four K disc
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  Speaker 2: for that reason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do know. Okay, so there's definitely some
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  Speaker 1: scratches on the back of this. Yeah, because my Blu
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  Speaker 1: ray or my four K excuse me, started like it
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  Speaker 1: started skipping where it literally the the it would pause
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  Speaker 1: on a frame, the audio would cut out and it
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  Speaker 1: would just freeze, and then it would jump like ahead
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  Speaker 1: a couple of seconds. I thought it was just one time,
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  Speaker 1: and then it happened like five or six or seven
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  Speaker 1: more times, and I was like, that's annoying as fuck.
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  Speaker 1: So I need to be like, hey, show Factory, I
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: don't know if you have an issue. I asked the
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: group on Facebook. No one said anything yet, but I
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: was like, has anybody else had this problem?
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't noticed anybody mentioned that.
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: Lucky me, looky me good. There's always good to be
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  Speaker 1: one guy. So yeah, great job, Screen Factory. I really
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  Speaker 1: like the original art too. On this one, it's just
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: got the white cover with the I and the be.
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: I think it looks really good. Typically, I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: fan of the original art. I like the commission work
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: they do, but they have really been doing a great
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  Speaker 1: job with these. I think, I really, I really enjoy them.
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  Speaker 1: There's no reverse sorry though, on the little paper insert,
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  Speaker 1: which I find interesting. I mean, what are you gonna do.
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: The Blu rays it so you'll be fine?
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I know they've got and I've got
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: I've got the alt slip for the I know, I've
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: got three fucking candy Man's, I've got the four K,
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  Speaker 1: I've got two Blue rays because there's an alternate slip,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't want to put a can't like, I
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: didn't want to put a just empty Blu ray case
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: in the alt slip, so I bought a I'm fucking
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: weird about way too many spare copies of movies. So yeah,
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get into that in a little bit. Well,
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: we've got some new releases to talk about. I've got
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: some movies that came in the mail that I want
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: to share, and I'm sure other things will happen it's
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: me and you. Halloween Kills is coming out this week,
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: just so everyone knows. By the time this is posted,
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: it will have been released. I can only hope. I'm
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: just praying. I'm just I want a three star movie.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: That's all I want. That's all I'm asking for, which
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: is not much to ask. Just give me a three
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: star movie, that's all I want. Just make it better
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: than Kills. I know it's not gonna be as good
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: as like, so I don't think it's gonna be better
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: than we do.
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: I know, because we thought Kills was gonna be great,
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: So you know.
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just so hesitant to go into.
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: This walking in and sitting down, and that is all.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just happy it's in Dolby. I'm fine with that.
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna be fun. But uh, that's something
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: that's gonna come out of this week. Obviously, we're gonna
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: keep you posts. We're going to see it Saturday to
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: avoid spoilers and to catch it in Dolby, that glorious,
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: glorious Dolby with those recliners. And I showed you this
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: seating today. I was like, fuck, are all the people?
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even on Friday. Uh, the seven o'clock in Dolby
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: is pretty full. But other than that, between the Imax
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: Dolby and regular, no one's seeing this in theaters.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, because it's going straight to peak a day,
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: I think they should at least give it like a
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Man, I know they. I saw Jamie
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: Lee she had this thing on TikToker somewhere where she said,
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: we're doing the same thing with Ends that we do
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  Speaker 1: with Kills. It's gonna, you know, because you guys liked
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: it so much, it's gonna go straight to streaming and
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: the theaters. And I'm like, I didn't make more money.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: Well it Unfortunately, Kills did better streaming than it did theatrically.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so well, I mean that is pretty cool, like
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: that stuff goes straight to streaming.
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: But like with horror films, just no matter how your
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: surround sound is or how big your TV is, I
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: feel like with specific films, basically anything that aren't comedies,
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: even dramas, I feel like should be witnessed on the
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: big screen.
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll see every horror movie I possibly can on
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: the big screen, every like big sci fi movie. I
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: just would rather have the theatrical experience, not that I
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: don't like sitting. Like, there was a couple of movies
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: like Orphan First Kill, we were like, whatever, well, we'll
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: just like I was kind of iffy about the movie anyways,
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  Speaker 1: because I was like, there's no way they can top
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: what they did, and they came really close to it, honestly.
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: But that's kind of one I regretted not seeing in
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: theaters just because I underestimated it. But there's sometimes where
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, let's just see this.
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: One fire star. Yeah, because because then I could have
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: just like not finished it and not feel bad because if.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: I could have walked out, I could have you're.
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent, but I'm like, I did spend like,
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: you know, twenty five dollars on food at least that.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: Whole stayed for the food, came for the movie, stayed
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  Speaker 1: for the food.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: In that case, yes, And but then again, you know,
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: like I mean, it was to me, it was worse
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: than Halloween Kills and I and we almost walked out
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: So I gave Firestarter a one star.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: I gave it one point five.
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, it was awful. That's one that I remember,
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: probably the.
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: Worst film just just in general of the year, and
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: I've seen some I've seen some pretty shitty films this year,
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: and that one Takes that was worse than Morbius.
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's my lowest rated movie of the year.
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. I don't think I've rated anything lower
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: than a one this year.
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say Cloud Nato was like what half star?
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: That was a half star? That was That was a
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: very very generous half star. If you could give a
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: movie zero stars, that one would have gotten. Here's no
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: offense to anybody, and part of that movie not for me.
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: You know. That's funny seen people just rated with hearts.
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: I mean you can, you can log movies and not
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: rate them, but like, doesn't I don't want to give
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: that a heart? Yeah no, no, no, yeah. So yeah,
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've rated anything lower than that. That
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: fire Starter, which shockingly will not be on any part
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: of the year end of review except for how much we.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: Hated it, unless you do, like a bottom ten.
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: I probably will. That was going to be number one.
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: I think I have ten.
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I have ten. Bottom movie. Well, I'm
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: so okay. Speaking of that, let's go into let's go into.
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: That just because I've watched a lot of straight the
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: v o D like shark movies this year and none
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: of them have been great.
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: Been great. I've seen forty three new releases this year
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  Speaker 1: for horror movies. So I have a top ten and
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: honorable mention, and then I could do a bottom ten
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: if I really wanted to, because there's definitely been some
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: stingers this year. Yeah, I just don't like doing that,
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: Like I don't like doing a shitty like I we
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: try to, like I try to just talk about movies
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: that are good and try not to shoot on too
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: many movies, but I think I might have to this
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: year just so people know what to stay away from
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: if they haven't watched yet. But on the on the
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: other hand, there have been so many good movies this year.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: I think there's been more good movies horror movies this
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: year than last year.
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have multiple five stars, and every everything in
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: my top ten is four and a half or five.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: I usually only have one five star movie.
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: A year as of last time I checked, which was
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: like two weeks ago.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: Same. Yeah, so this might.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: Have like one that's like three and a half, but
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: it might it might be like that might be like
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: eleven and like no cutoff.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is still and we still have three.
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: Months to two and a half months. It's gonna get
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: s and we we have horror movies up to Violent Night,
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like that's gonna be just a five
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: star Violent Night, and then David Harbor as sounds amazing.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: So we've got I don't we have even mentioned that yet.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: We've got Violent Night with you know, David Harbor, like
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: he said that, We've got The Mean One, which is
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: essentially a Grench movie where it's David Howard and playing
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: the Grinch and he's going on to killing spree, which
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they're doing that because the Grinch
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: is not public domain, so I don't know how they're
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: getting away with that. Maybe because they're just calling.
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: It called the Mean One.
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: Dressing him as the Grinch.
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say that that's nah, because I feel like, if,
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: for instance, if that Winning the Pooh Blood and Honey
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: was just called Blood and Honey, which there's already a
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: movie called that, but if there wasn't, and then you
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: watch it and it's about that, it could get away
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: with it because you're not using the name basically the
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: domain is the name, not the character.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: Well, Winnie the Pooh is public domain though, no I know.
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: But I was just using that as oh, yeah, yeah,
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: use that. It's called Way of the Pooh, blood and Honey,
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: versus just cutting out the words Winnie the Pooh.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: You could just call it blood and honey.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you still use the wind and Pooh character.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: Because the domain is the name, you're you're basically yeah,
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: the domain is the name, not the character.
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. I guess that's how they're getting away with
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: it either way. I didn't think we would get two
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: like slasher horror movie, like slasher Christmas horror movies. There
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: we go, I can say it.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: We might even get more. For all we know, that's
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: the only two that were mentioned so far.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: But that's crazy. And then also I've added it up.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: This year we've gotten six found footage horror movies, which
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: not that they not all of them were great, but
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: we've got six found footage, which for me is like amazing.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about one in a second that I
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: just watched recently. Like, it's been a really good year
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: for horror, definitely has been better than all the worst stuff.
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: But this Top ten is gonna be extremely hard this year.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard. I'm gonna have to be tweaking
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: it the night like I'm gonna be up the night before.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna watch all of them again in quick
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: succession to make sure that that my my, my numbers
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: are right. So it's gonna be quite sketchy. Speaking of
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: also watching a lot of movies. My thirty one Days
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: of Horror continues with Frankenstein created a Woman Fucking Amazing
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: four stars, Vampire Lovers Awesome, three and a half stars,
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: Squirm which was pretty good, nothing nothing crazy, three stars,
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: and then just watch Exorsis to the Heretic today not
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: good two stars, two stars.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: I've heard the third one is not fantastic. It's got
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: a three six terrible to the first one. Yeah, it's
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: like people are I'm not sad. I've only seen the
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: first two.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: I will let you know how. The third one is
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: one called.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: The Beginning, which I don't know if it's I don't
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: remember if that's like a rebit or one, but it's
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: the came on the early two thousands called Exorcist The Beginning.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: I've never even heard of it.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: With uh, I believe it's the Stars guard Dad that's
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: Oh Stella, I.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: Believe that's I could be wrong with what he's in it,
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: but it's called yeah, ex just the beginning.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll keep you posted on Extorsist three up because
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Brad Dorriff is also on that playing the Gemini Killer
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: and I've heard his performance and that's like one of
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: his best. Nice, So that's cool. But thirty one Days
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: a Horror is going very well. I'm excited to continue
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: tomorrow with David Cronenberg's Rabbid and other shenanigans that is coming. Man,
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: we got some stuff. What did you get in the
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: mail from the Shocktober sale? You got one movie?
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: No, I've got so. I ordered a total of ten
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: movies compared like from Your Mind. Yeah, gone two in
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: the mail with yours and the third well that's Companies
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: also yours. So fuck you for not letting me get
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: any shit.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I've got some movies here. I'll just share real
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: quick because I've seen some of them and haven't seen
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: other ones, and I'm gonna recommend some. First one up
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: as Cherry Falls. Haven't seen this. Bought it for Gabby.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: It was ten dollars. This is a slasher movie with Jennifer. No,
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: that's not right, uh Murphy. Yeah, so that should be fun.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do that on a later episode coming up.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: That'd be pretty tight. Looks like a lot of fun.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: I got this other one called Tales from the Crypt
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: and Vault of Horror. It's a double feature which I've
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: never seen, but both of them.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: Have you haven't seen Tales of the Crypt, Well.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: I mean I've seen like the show, but not you know,
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: this is like a movie but it's not a feature.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: But I don't think it's related to Tales from the Crypt.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, no idea, I have
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: no idea. I just saw it and I was like,
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: that looks fun. It was ten dollars. Got that shit.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: I got Relic, which we both watched together and I
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: really need to rewatch.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: That was actually the first horror film we watched in
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: my new apartment because we were sitting on the floor.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had pizza whiskey or something like that.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: It's a whiskey and I read it out and vooded
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: and we just we watched it with my little, uh
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: half assed routes outside for the time yeah.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was really good. That's a really fun one.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: If you haven't seen real like, I believe it's on Shutter.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: I think I have.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: No.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: I thought it was stream.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: It's either on Shutter or Hulu because Hulo gets a
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: lot of the I f ceas and that's if c
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: they really do. Yeah, so maybe it was Hulu. Now
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: it's on Shutter or.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: It's nowhere fuck me, I guess. And then I got
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Back Country, which I think has been reviewed on the podcast.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Pretty I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure we did.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: We did it back when I can't remember doing two movies.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: It was it was The Land of Maple Syrup. It
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: was Canadian horror movies.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, But he was the other one we watched.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: I know, I know it was episode fifty seven, though
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: I can tell.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: You that's okay. I would have never guessed that.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can you like so I can't even horror?
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: What's another we watched?
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Wasn't? It wasn't Maniac? Was it? Do we do? No?
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: We didn't do that. No, I think we did Maniac
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: by itself.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Maniac was a good one. Did we do the Remaker?
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Did we do? Yeah? Episode fifty seven Land of Maple Syrup.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, the movie though, we did the Thaw
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: back Country, The Thaw back Country. They wait an American Mary,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: That's what we did. All we did four Yeah, the
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Land of Maple Syrup. I can't remember. I can't believe
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: I remember the episode title. That's fucking great. Uh so yeah,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: we reviewed that. I really enjoyed this one. That bear
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: attack is absolutely insane. It looked so real. So back
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Country is one I'm obviously gonna recommend. Also got the Editor,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: which is hilarious. I really enjoyed this one. I haven't
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: seen it in a while, but I remember this being
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: a really good.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Funny long time. I've seen it one time a while ago.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe we can watch soon. Maybe I'll bring it
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: over and watch it. And then last, oh not last
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: minu At least I got two more here. I got
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Return of Living Dead in four K from Shout Factory.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Very excited to check out the transfer on that. As always,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: and last, but certainly not least, I got like a
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: coveted prize, Possession of Mine. It is the Paranormal Activity,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the Ultimate Chills Collection, and it comes with every single movie.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So we've got one, two, three, four, marked ones Ghost
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Dimension Next of Ken, and it comes with this bonus
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Unknown Dimension, the story of Paranormal Activity. But here, I
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: want to see if you can notice what's wrong with
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: this picture? Yeah, what's wrong?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: What's a little bit lighter than the case which was
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: which was lighter.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: It's so it's it's no, it's ghost Dimension. And that's
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: because they included a three D version in here. Oh yeah, okay,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm never gonna why are we still
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: doing that? No one has three dtvs anymore.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I think, well that because I think what they did
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: with most of these, minus Next to Kit, because next
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Kin just came out, but the other ones they probably
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: just used the recycled versions there.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, that's what they It's just funny because it
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: is nice though, because they all have like brand new covers,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: like all the paper inserts. These are all brand new,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and they're all like cohesive, which is nice. But yeah,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: there's one blue ray case because all of them have
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: one disc, and then the sixth one Ghost to Mention,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: which is the worst one, has two discs in there,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and the blue ray case is a different style, And
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you fucking stick.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: By yourself, just an empty case but that's the color
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: of the other ones and switch it out.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: No, it's not that it's a different color. It's just
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: like it's it's like a different width, like it's taller.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: This little section.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Well also looks it looks like it's it's brighter.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: It's just like a little clear. Yeah. So I'm just like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: god damn it. But this is exciting because I absolutely
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: love this franchise, and it's nice to have them all
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: on a box set. I had them in like the uh,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you know that one, you know, thick blue ray case
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that has all the like the flippy things in there,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: which just falls apart.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: But also next to Kid, this is the first time
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: it's been released.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And it's even cooler because let's see one through six
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: all come with the R rated version and the unrated
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: version next to Ken is just R rated because there
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: is no unrated and then the of course the you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the story of Paranormal Activity is not rated as well.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: But then I believe they have h what does it say?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: The two alter The alternate endings of number one never
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: seen in theaters, but I've seen there's three endings. I've
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: seen all three of them. So I'm curious to see
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: which one they included, because they said includes alternate ending
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: not seen in theaters. I'm like, there's two other ones though,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: so I gotta check that out.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but but those two ones didn't show theatrically.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah all yeah, So it'll be nice to watch all
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: those after October, because I've got too much shit to
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: watch this month. I just can't keep up. Have you
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: watched anything It doesn't have to be horror? I mean,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: obviously horrors bonus points, But have you watched anything interesting lately? Theatrically?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: At home?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I watched the new Hill Raiser.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's talk about that. I've got some thoughts
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and feelings. Shocker.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: You see what else? If there's there's anything off the
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: top of my head? Uh new wise note, Well I
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: watched that and then, uh, the mister, those are the
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: two newest things. Everything else has been rewatched.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: All right, girl, let's dish. Let's dish about Halla Raiser.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I gotta get I gotta get all these thoughts out
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: of my head. And you got you can, you can obviously.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: You start the conversation, tell me what you like, tell
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: me what you didn't like, And then I have a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: lot of thoughts and feelings.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Honestly, there wasn't anything I didn't like, except did you
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: rate it so low? I said, accept First of all,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't write it that low compared to you. Yes,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: but like I didn't read it that low. Uh So
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: it did. And like I said, when it dragged, It
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: dragged for about two to like five minutes in the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: ending to me, which was enough to like rate it
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: lower just because I was I got bored for that
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: slight few minutes and then it got back. I'm like, okay, cool,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: but like I was kind of border but I wasn't like,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: like I said, like the movie itself, there was nothing
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: wrong with it. Is just the run time like uh
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: or or maybe it was just the way they paced
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: in It could have been the run time was perfect,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: but the way you know, sometimes editing will be the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: downfall of the pacingly all the time. It could be
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: a three hour movie and it could be perfect, and
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: it could be like on page and everything, it's one
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: perfect movie, but like there could be a segment that's
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: just edited wrongly or like or like they put us
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: you know, they put scenes in different spots to make
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: it run different, like the pacing different. Yes, they do
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a lot, and that could have just been that, but uh,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: going into it, I didn't know what really do expect.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I What really intrigued me more about this was we
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: got a female pinhead or as they in the credits
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: they call her the.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Priest Pinhead, which.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Which I thought was very interesting. Yeah. So obviously the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: updated uh visuals and everything may made the movie just pop.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And you know what, maybe after my second watch, maybe
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I'll give it a more reading. But like upon my
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: first watch, that's what I got, okay, which you know
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: is a three point five okay, which you know that's
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: not really not bad for it. I guess I'm reimagining.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I would put this more of a reimagine than Remak,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: even though it had some of the same plot beats
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: of the first one. But like, you have a female pinnance,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: so that's all totally re imagine. There. You have the cenobites,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: cenobytes bites.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they have to be confused with uh cenobites
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: from Burger King, because those were a thing.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that was the thing.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, little they have like I don't know, I think
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: they're called cenobites but it's c I N N A bites.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm shrugging my shoulders, shrug, shrug. But anyway, like
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the updated visuals I feel like made this movie closer
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to a reimagining the remake for me personally. Yeah, I
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: mean other people might say it that way. I did. Like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: you know, they kept so they kept like without giving
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: anything away because you know, some people may have not
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: even seen the original Hell Raises, but they kept the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: general plot of the first one, but tweaked it. Like
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I said, they reimagined. Yeah, that's that's basically the same
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: plot on paper, but when you watch it, it's a
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: different it's different. I did enjoy that. I liked. I
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: liked that uh the hell A priest uh slashed like
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: female penhead, the amount of screen time she got. Like
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: she didn't show up until about an hour into the movie,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: which I thought was okay, which you know, made sense,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden she was in the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: rest of it pretty much. Yeah, and I was like, okay, cool,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Like she didn't have like a huge part. I mean
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: obviously she did, but like she didn't, but she was
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: she was always like there. Like I feel like once
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: she became on screen. Almost every frame she was there
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: either either you know, she was just her presence were
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: there either way for like the next hour where I
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: guess fifty four minutes or what her minus credits. But uh,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I liked that. I liked I really liked the design
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: of the house.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really cool. It gave me like very
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: thirteen ghost vibes in a way.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Thirteen I even got a house and Haunted Hill was
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: just because of the so like you got these So
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, I don't know, like from
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a writer standpoint or whatever, but I feel like if
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you like both thirteen Ghosts and House on Hanted Hill,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: either the remake or the original, either way, you're gonna
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: get those vibes from the third act of this movie
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: in a big way. And if you like those two movies,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: you should like this. Now. When I watched this, I
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: remember you asked me how, I how what I thought
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: between that and the original At that time, It's been
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: it was a long time, so I've seen the original,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: so I had no thoughts on that. But then the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: next day I watched. A couple of days later, I
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: watched the original again, just for the first time in
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a while. As I did like the first one, not
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: as much, Like I gave that a three versus this
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the three five. I know that's not a huge difference
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: in comparison, which I said, and could change. Like I
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: could have probably gone back and watched the remake again
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: right after, just to see if it changed, but I
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: really didn't want to because I feel like it's too
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: fresh to my to make a difference. Oh yeah, so
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely going to come back to the remake eventually,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: like I thought it was great. I actually don't own
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: any of the hell Raisers. I don't plan on obviously.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: The only one I actually end up owning if if
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: it does come a physical would be the remake. Like
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I like the first one, but like, I don't think
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: i'd watch it again in a long time. Or do
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: you have the Aero version of the first one?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I got the Errow version of the first two.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know they did the second. I just thought
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: they did the first.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I found this one first. I found two first
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: because I heard it was better. You know, I heard
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: if you didn't like the first one, that you like
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: this one one percent. Facts fucking loved hell Bound. That
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: was fucking awesome. And then I and then I just
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: got this against my better judgment even though I don't
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: like it, just because I was like, I can't have
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: two with that one. And also like maybe this will
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: grow on me over time. I'm hoping that this grows
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: on me, like you know, like but it's so this
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: sadly it happen.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: This is how I I you know, I think with
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the first one, like I probably wouldn't have liked it
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: as much. Like I mean, I didn't love it, obviously,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, but like what I got from the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: first one when that ended, this new rewatch was it
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily about like like Pinhead or anything. It was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: more about the human condition because and without giving too
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: much away of the of the original just case some
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: listeners want to see it and have it yet, is
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: something happens to where somebody is getting kind of like manipulated,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: but they're getting manipulated because they're in love with this
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: set of person and they're doing what they they're saying
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to do against a moral or better judgment. And by
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the time this movie's over, you're just like, this is
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the human condition, Like some people can get I'm not
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: saying she was brainwashed, like the main actress or whatever's
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: brainwashing and doing this. But like she did things because
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: her heart told her to do those things even though
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: she knew because at first she was reluctant, but like
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like her heart was like, yeah, this seems right,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: let me do this, and by the end she realized
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: she made a mistake. Versus the remake or the reimagining,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: it had nothing to do with any of that. It
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: was more the reimagine was more of a to me,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it was more like a mystery, like a mystery surrounding
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: around the cube.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was everything I wanted from the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: first one because in the first one US one, you
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: don't get any explanation about the cube or from what
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I remember, you don't really get any any explanation of
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: what the cube is besides that it summons these beings,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: these cenobytes, they you know, and then they come for you.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: But like the like, they don't really explain like in this.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: In the new one, there's these like six configurations that
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you have to go through, and whoever possesses the last
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: one gets one of six options, you know, like the Lazarus,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: which is resurrection or lament.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Not explained in the original, That's.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying. They don't explain any of that. They
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: just kind of expect you to roll with whatever's going on.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: But then in the new one, they just lay it
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: out like perfectly. I understood it so much more than
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the original movie. The story is so much more cohesive,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and I actually understood the first movie because of this movie.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this makes so much like hell, Ray
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the eighty seven to one makes so much more sense
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: now that I know this information. So unless I missed
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: it in the original, it's not very explanatory on what's
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: going on. You have Julia who is kind of hoarding around,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: bringing men to the house. Well she's acting like she's
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: gonna sleep with them, and then like you know, they
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: get killed to get Frank back.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And you're very under the vibe but not good.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because like I don't care about her, like
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I don't care about you or Frank. You both are
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: shitty people. You're cheating on each other with like you
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: know that, Like Julia has a husband and you're and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Frank is his brother. It's like this is such a
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: like I just can't care about anybody. I cannot care
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: except for Kirsty, Like, obviously I care about Kirsty, and
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I think that's why I like to so much, because
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it really centers around her. Julie is in it, but
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: like she's not as unlikable. She isn't the first one.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: If anything, this this this new one, you can just
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: go in as completely like its own movie.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing. You can go into Hell
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Raiser not knowing anything about hell Raiser and be perfectly
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: up to speed. But for some reason, the original one,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: it's like you have to know. It's like you almost
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: have to have read the hell Bound Heart, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: like Clyde Barker short, It's almost like you had to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: have read that to know what was going on. But this, then,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the remake, is like, here's everything that's going on, even
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: if you don't know shit about hell Raiser, here's everything.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: You know. You know who the priest is. You know
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: that the sen advice or her you know her little
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: group at gang or whatever you wanna call them. You
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: know what you have to do in order to get
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: one of the you know, like the prizes at the end,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: if you have the last configuration of the cube, and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: it's just so and then there was a lot of
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: layers to it too, because you have a beginning plot
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that comes back around in the end and then there's
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: like fucking you know, like double crossing, and there's so
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: much like layers going on in the movie that I
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: was like, this is really cool. It's not confusing and
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: like like oversaturated. They're just doing a perfect job at
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: visual storytelling, moving the four like the platform with the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: uh you know dialogue, and the score was just in
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the background, fucking meshing everything together perfectly. So it was like,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it just works so well for me.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I thought it was a great movie. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: just you know, like I couldn't you know, with with
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: you know, watching movies. It's so weird because well, I
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: guess specific moods, but in general, like I mean, you
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: could be in mood for a movie, but like you
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: got to be in the mood for a movie, or
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: you're going to watch it in a different way than
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: you would if you were in like the mood for
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: a movie.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes if you know, also, yeah, it depends on
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: what happened to you that day, what kind of mood
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you're in.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: For instance, the first time I saw you know. I mean,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we've discussed this on the podcast,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: but I've discussed it with you in person. The first
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: time I saw Hereditary, I didn't really like it. Yeah,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: and then I was on the wrong mindset when I
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: watched it the first time. Anyways, I just wanted I
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: just really wanted to see it, and it was out
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: on the theater, so I saw it. But then I
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: gave it a second chance, like a couple of weeks later,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: when I was in a better mindset, and I absolutely
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: loved it. It was like it was like I was
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: watching two different movies.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing, and some mar I went in expecting
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Hereditary and I didn't get that and I was like,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: this sucks. And then I watched it again and I
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: was like, no, this is brilliant.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not saying I was in the wrong
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: mindset for hell Raiser or whatever. I really was excited
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: to watch it, but you know, I could have just
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: been I could have been tired. Yeah, Like who knows,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: So like, like, you know, I will definitely It's definitely
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: still in my queue to rewatch on Hulu. I have that,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and I like, I absolutely love Prey, which it's also
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: still in my like my list. It's just those movies
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: will just be there forever because that's how since it's
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: it's only on Hulu, that's my version of I own this.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that's where hell Raiser is streaming. It
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: released on ten seven on Hulu. Interesting for it to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: go straight to Hulu, but I mean, it's cool whatever.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: That one makes more sense to go go to Hulu
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: than Pray, I like, versus like streaming to theatrical.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we still yeah, we talked about how we wish
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Pray had theatrically.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I wish Pray had theatrical. I'd still go see if
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: it's just there's also I'm going to do this for
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: one week and be like, Okay, I'm there.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Nailed it. Yeah, but uh then, I don't know the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: consensus online about hell Raiser, at least from what I've
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: been posting, because you know, I always post new movies.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what did you guys think? I really quite
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it. A lot of people commented on my things
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: saying that they didn't like it and that female pinhead
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't like that, and I'm like, well that's not surprising,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I know, but unfortunately, like for it's like, for some men,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: is your fucking masculinity so fragile that there's the hell Raiser. Essentially,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: what it comes down to is hell Raiser doesn't have
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a penis, and that's what upsets you. He's he's not
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: a man, and hold on, I'm gonna get I'm gonna
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: get there. Okay, No, I'm gonna get there. So it's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: essentially what it comes down to. I don't know why
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: people are I don't know why people are so upset that, Oh,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: how dare they replace a man with a woman like
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: it's called and it's it's called blake putting women in
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the spotlight man Like, it's like, we don't have to
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: put a man everywhere, have a woman in there, change
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: it up like whatever. And the funny thing is, okay,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: this is sorry, this isn't funny. But I'm in regard
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to iron The ironic thing is is that Jamie Clayton
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: is actually a transgender woman, so she you know, it
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: was a man that transitioned to a woman, so technically,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, so, I don't know
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: what you're that upset, but I think that's also another
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: thing that's irritating people is the fact that she's transgender,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, oh no, we're we're including people
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: in movies. How dare us do that? Like I thought
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: it was fucking I thought it was metal, dude. She
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: was amazing. Her performance was great, Her voice was I know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: they obviously altered it, but she sounded just aw man.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And that's what I was about to say. Her voice
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: was not altered as much as you think. That's actually
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of that. If you take out the more
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: like the deep like horror out of it, that's actually
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: her voice.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I know, yeah, but there was definitely like
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: almost like a second layer.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: But yeah, cool, But I feel like her original voice
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: actually brought more to that second layer than if they
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: just totally like digitized, like like you know, gave her voice,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: you know, digital like a digital voice.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And they were all the sona bites. I'd say we're
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: about ninety percent practical effects. As I saw behind the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: scenes photos of all of them, and I'm like, this
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: is so awesome. Now, there wasn't like and I think
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: another reason people may not like it is because you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the original is pretty heavy on the like the practical
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: effects and It's not that there weren't any practical effects
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: in this, but I think that the gore was toned
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: down a bit, but they were very creative with some
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of their kills. And the ending scene alone, my fucking god,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, and to.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Be honest, like you know, gore or like like gore
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: blood like gore, not like it doesn't make or break.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: A Yeah, it doesn't.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Like like think about the original Texas chance to ask her,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I think it was more rated R because of the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: time of this subject, better than like the actual like
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: violence of stuff.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's it was rated R for just
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: like sheer terror, you.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Know, Like I mean, think about the Conjuring movies. They're
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: all rated ART for literally just disturbing images.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Like no, there's no nudity, there's any language, and.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: If there is language, it's like someone says shit. Once again,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: there's not very much language that. But yeah, if it's
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: just literally raded art on scares alone, which honestly for
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a for a movie, that's fucking impressive. That's impressive to
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: get an R rating with literally nothing to make the
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: movie art. Like the only reason why the Matrix movies
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: are readed art well, back back when the first one
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: came out in ninety nine was because of you saw
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: bullet cases. Back in the time, you could not show
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: bullet cases on screen.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: And there there's thousands, Yes, there's like hundreds of thousand.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Because you think that there was there was no sex
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: in there. There was a little little bit of language,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: like I said, Ship maybe a couple of times, which
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: you know you could you there wasn't the second one,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: but well they actually they actually did the second one
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: because they're like, it's gonna get rid of out anyways,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: there's a relationship we we've already brought into it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: We might as well we're gonna have one of them.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have an insane scene with techno in the background. Yeah,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: getting it out and still.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Even with the fourth one, like I know you haven't
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: seen that yet, so I'm not giving anything way, but.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: They know I'm slacking dud really hard. I meant to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: buy it and then I never bought it because it
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: was on sale and it wasn't on sale.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I know, well you have well next month is Black Friday.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I'll bet you'll be on sale.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It is next month, doesn't that Holy Ship?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: But anyway, like uh, there's no it's literally this one's
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: literally running for violence and language. And there is the
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: F word in this book because at this point, like
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the people are seeing this, who cares? Fuck it? A
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: couple of bombs whatever like it. Actually it's funny because
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: it actually makes more sense to throw it at the
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: F bombs into the fourth one than any of the
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: other ones. But I'm not gonna tell you why.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: They're just tired.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: It's actually has nothing to do with getting I mean,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: it's definitely not getting too old for this. He's not umpire.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's a vampire.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's actually more like it's more like plot wise, Yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's but since you haven't seen that, I'm
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: not gonna I'm not gonna say anything, but like it
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: makes more sense for this to have that type of
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: language versus the first three. Well but yeah, but literally
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: first one was Red of Ard just because of shell casinges.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. There's a lot of them in there. Case
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen that movie, there's a lot of them
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: But else, if you haven't seen the Matrix, what are
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you doing?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? What are you doing with your life?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: This is now a a non matrix, non watch or
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: shame podcast.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: All we talk about is the matrix. It's the same
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: movies every episode.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: You haven't seen it, just an hour of shame, shame, shame.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, New hell Raiser. Check it out on Hulu.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I quite liked it. I'm not gonna give away my
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: rating just because it's gonna be up there for the year.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Uh how uh you? You gave it a three five,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: so it's still it's still definitely worth checking out. It
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: has a three point two overall. Oh I've been down
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: to three one.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Isn't the first one? The original still like a three seven?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Three five? Oh yeah, Original Hellraiser has three five? Uh
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: so yeah, and then real quickly, I recently watched a
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: movie brand new for this year as well, and it
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: was called dead Stream. So if you can, okay, if
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: anybody listening to this has seen Grave Encounters and dash
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Cam and what was the other thing I explained it
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: as now that I'm blanking. I sent it to Corey.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: It was like hold on, it was like do do oh?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: It was like Grave Oh yeah, Grave Encounters followed and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: dash Cam had a baby. But dash Cam only in
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: the regards of that he's live streaming. Uh, nothing else
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: from that one I've seen literally, Wow, you should get
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: on that. I should show you those. So it has
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: vibes have followed because he's a YouTuber and he's a
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: little obnoxious. Grave Encounters because he goes to and a
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: you know, an abandoned place, films it and gets you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: crazy shit happens, and then dash Camp because of streaming.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Would you add Spree to that because of the whole
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: live stream Yeah, I mean, okay, I guess Spree would
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: probably be better because dash Cam sucked. I hated that movie, okay,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and not hated it, but I did not like it
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: at all, So yeah, I guess I hated it. So yeah,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: let's do that. We'll say followed Grave Encounters in Spree.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: It was really funny. You're you're not really meant to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: like the main guy, and they make that very apparent
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: with his YouTube video right off the bat, but uh,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: he does. He does. I don't know, it's weird. It's
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: like I hate him, but he also is hilarious at
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the same time, So it's really it's a really weird
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: balance they strike where I'm like, you're so annoying.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: But like your little Poulter from a Miss Smart.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. It's like you are such an asshole,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: but you're making me laugh at the same time.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to do.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Uh, but yeah, it's
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: it's so crazy because it starts off and you're like,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I don't really like this guy, where's this gonna go?
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And then it just goes full tilt like left turn
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: bonkers and uh, it just goes completely off the wall
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of interesting gore and kills and
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: it's very fun and it's literally like one guy the
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: entire time, maybe I think a total of three cast members.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: And this one went straight to shutter, So if you
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: have a shutter you can check it out. It's only
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: eighty seven minutes, and I mean that's like perfect run
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: time for me. And you know, it's a good social commentary.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: If you're into you know, vloggers and shit like that,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: or watching people live stream, then this is definitely right
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: up your alley. I'll give you the little some and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: then we will get on to this movie. So dead
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Stream is a disgraced internet personality attempts to win back
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: his followers by live streaming one night alone in a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: haunted house, but when he accidentally pisses off a vengeful spirit,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: his big comeback event becomes a real time fight for
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: his life. Three point five out of five on letterbox,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: which for a found footage movie, Like I think Cloverfield
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: is like three to six for reference, and that is
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like a massively loved, uh found footage movie. Oh, Cloverfield
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: is a three to three, so this is a better
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: rating than Cloverfield.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Think Clverfield has been off for a while long longer,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: so it has time.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's still pretty. It's still impressive for for
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: a movie to be that highly rated as as a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: found footage movie. Anything else good, sir, that you would
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: care to say? Anything going on? Let's try how excitedly
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: we are for Halloween ends? All right, well, let's get
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: into this movie here. Let me get my freaking notes
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: up here. That is, those are hashtags notes candy Man.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: All right, so's yes, candy Man from nineteen Oh. By
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the way, this is episode one sixty one. I'm your host,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Austin Procter.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, we never even said that.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: That is your uh, that is your co host, Spencer Lafferman.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Forty one minutes in Nailing It. Candy Man from nineteen
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Friday the thirteenth, Right, Yeah, what's the twenty three minute
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: intro or whatever? You are? Some of a Bitch candy
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Man from nineteen ninety two, released on October sixteenth of
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: that year in the US rated R for moderate sex
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: and nudity, severe violence and gore, moderate profanity, mild alcohol,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: drugs and smoking, and severe frightening and intense scenes. Runtime
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: of an hour and thirty nine minutes. I don't know
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: what the difference is between the Oh what is the difference? Though?
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Literally ten frames?
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, so.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Ten seconds.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's ten frames of gore.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: It's the it's actually, oh, it's literally so uh I
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: thought it was too It doesn't. It's interesting which which
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: ten it's the scene where she gets knocked out in
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the bathroom, and the theatrical apparently you don't see her
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: getting knocked out, but in the underrated you do. Oh
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: what it's It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Why I don't understand the point of making a whole
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: other cut if it's only going to be like five seconds.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I just I've never understood that. It's silly.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is how they got the extra runtime
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: was a was apparently and I don't know that I've
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: not seen this. I just read it the theatric card
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: has a post credit scene. This's ten frames, and they
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: just took that out of the Underrated and added this,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: so it makes it the same runtime. So they took
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: out ten frames added so it's the same and basically
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: the same thing.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Shenanigans, Yeah, I don't know. Shut Nanigans listed as a
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: horror thriller straight up directed by Bernard Rose, who has
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: thirty three directing credits. Also did two things I never
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: heard about, but here they are Ivans Ecstasy and Frankenstein
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Those are movies also directed by Bernard Rose.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Was also directed written by Bernard Rose, was twenty writing credits.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Also did the same two movie as I've mentioned. And
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: also I had no fucking clue that this was based
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: off of a Clive Barker a short thing or something
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: The Forbidden.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Which is funny because we just talked about all.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I had no clue, had no clue. I did not
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: know CLIVEE. Barker was involved in this in anyway. And
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I've seen this movie a few times and on this
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: watch and I was like, oh, yeah, there's his name
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: right there in the beginning. Yeah, I don't know how
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I messed up. So that's the thing. Composed by a
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: man named Philip Glass, who has one hundred and seventy
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: one composer credits and also did The Secret Window and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: The Illusionist. Cinematography by Anthony B. Richmond, who has ninety
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: four cinematography credits. Also did the Sandlot, You're Killing Me, Smalls,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Tales from the Hood, and Cherry Falls Nice, which is
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: funny because we just mentioned that too. I don't I
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: don't plan this shit. This just happens, man, This just happen.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Weapons starring Virginia Madison as Helen Lyle. She has one
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two acting credits, also in Dune the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Original as Princess i irraland I can't say that the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: number twenty three as Agatha Sparrow and Pray for the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Devil coming out this year as doctor Peters. I'm super
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: excited to see her in this movie. And then we've
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: got Tony Todd is candy Man, a whopping two hundred
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: and fifty one acting credits. Obviously, this is probably what
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: he's most known for. I would say, but he's also
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: in you know, the subsequent movies Candyman two and three,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: candy Man two, Farewell to the Flesh, and The Candy
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Man three. Day of the Dead. He's also in Wish
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Masters Johnny. He's also in Hatchet as the Voodoo tour
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: guide or something. I think.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Also in a movie I just want rewatched recently, Michael
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Babe action film was called.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: The Rock with oh yeah, Welcome to the Right Yeah.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: And then he's also in Final Destination as Bloodworth. So
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: man has acted. He's done some things and some stuff.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: He's also in hell Fest as like the Carnival Leader guy.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: He is fucking everything.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: He pops up in like almost every horror he's he's
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: just there.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Even if he's not on screen, he's in the background somewhere.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, everything, he's there, he's there.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: We then have Xander Berkeley as Trevor Lyle, who has
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: also two hundred and fifty acting credits.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: That's also everywhere everywhere.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: He was in Terminator too. Is Todd Voight Air Force
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: one as Agent Gibbs, and Shanghai Noon as Van Cleef.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Like talk about three awesome movies.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: The first taken.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's He's everywhere, everywhere, He's everywhere. And then we
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: come to the other two people, that is, the stars
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that really haven't been a much Casey Lemons is Bernadette
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Walls thirty two acting credits. She was in Silence of
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: the Lambs is Adrial Map. That's the only thing I
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: could find that was like a big name. And last,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: but not at least, we have Vanessa Williams as Anne
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Marie McCoy, who has seventy nine acting credits and was
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: also in New Jack City as Keisha, And apparently she
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: was also in the Candyman remake from last year as
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: the same character. I just must have missed who she
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: was in that.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure she was the main actor's mother. That
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: that makes sense, Yeah, because I mean, I mean other
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: than I mean, obviously the original or the remake was
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: a primately like black cast, but there wasn't a lot
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: of females actually shown on the screen besides the girl,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the girlfriend, and the mom. I'm pretty sure the mom,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: because the mom was the one who told the backstory.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, pretty positive that.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's in that, which I thought was really cool.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: This says an estimated bunchet of six million dollars worldwide
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: box office crowns A twenty five point eight, which is
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: pretty solid. I mean, you made your money back four
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: times over, so that's awesome. Movies was filmed in Chicago, Illinois,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: and then various parts of La California for studio stuff.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: As typically as you do. You can also watch it
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: on Peacock Premium or AMC Plus, or you can watch
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: the four K if you own that, or you can
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: watch the Blue Ravo. And then if you don't own it,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: maybe you should buy it. I say you should buy it.
• 46:52
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• 46:56
  Speaker 1: the same time. We've got Captain Ron fucking awesome, Kurt
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: awesome movie. I love that movie. Last of the Mohicans,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Glenn Gary, Glen Garry, Glenn Ross, The Mighty Ducks, Doctor Giggles, Aladdin, Brownstirgus, Racula,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: and Malcolm X. Pretty solid movie is there for nineteen
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: ninety two Ross? I could think it was is Zach
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and Mary Megaporn. Yeah, I know, let's not let's not
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: go there. Everyone who knows what we're talking about will
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: know exactly what justin long We'll just leave it at that.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Leave it there. Yeap, why'd you have to say.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: That it was the fault?
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: You could have you could have I put that in there,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: and I was like, he's gonna fucking make a joke
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: You have to put that in there.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Put it in there for you so of a picture.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Well, then there you go.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: It worked all right. Did you have any specific horror moments?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Uh, it was more of a like audio like specific
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: audio audio. So when they explained to Virginia Madison what
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: happened to said Candy Man, it was all audio, like
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you hear it, like saying it, but you hear him screaming,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: but you don't see anything visuals on audio. I'm like,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: that's pretty horrific what they did to him.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that I think you actually do get a
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: visual of that, and favorwell to the Flesh and the
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: sequel because I remember that. Oh yeah, I remember seeing
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: a visual of Tony Todd, you know, getting the arm
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: cut off, and I'm pretty sure that's in the second one.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe I just had a fever dream. I don't know.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: My specific horror moment is we'll get to it. But
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: when she wakes up in Annie's house.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, holy shit, I was like, my god.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know why, but I totally forgot about
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: that scene on this watch and I was like, oh, yeah,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: this partially fucked up. Uh favorite kill? Did you have
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: her favorite kill? You know?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Funny enough, there wasn't a lot of like kills in
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: this movie, not on screen.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Not on screen.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: What comes to my mind is more what I mean,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: it was a quick visual. It was more audio.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Two.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: What happened to uh the first kid in the in
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the bathroom? Yeah, yeah, like like I remember that that,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: but when I watched it this time, I was like, oh,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: that's what happened to him?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that yeah, well, and yeah that's that's we're
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: gonna talk about that too. So that one, I'd say
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: that was that was on my favorite kill until the
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: guy the psych ward died because like he just like
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: rips his.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Back up and that was that was my follow up.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: That would be my fall.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was gonna also say one, but it's like
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: literally the last one, so it's a spoiler that one's
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: also really good. Yeah, but yeah, definitely guy at the
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: psych word because Can'tyman pops out of nowhere and rips
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: that guy to shreds? Uh your favorite character.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I like the main character.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna have Virginia.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: I mean there's not I mean there like there is,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: there are characters in there, but there really aren't characters
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: in there. Like I feel like there's yeah, Tontas, Candy Man,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: and Virginia.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I go with Bernadette. I like Bernadette, like her, she
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: was nice. At least. Favorite character is Trevor. He's a
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: cheating bag. He's a cheating bag of ship fucked that guy.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Uh didn't really have a favorite line because you know,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: as some horror movies just don't have funny lines.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Man, I have a favorite line, but I I the
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: basically basically uh anytime the first encounter between Virginia Madsi's.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Character and when he's like that I'm the writing on
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: the wall, like the whole thing.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did like that line, but I guess monologue.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah that was pretty awesome, like I'm the writing on
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: the wall.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, it's like all and it was all
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: like like Basie and Spacey, so it was all.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Just yeah, it was all just like, yeah, something is
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: very full.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I was like yes, so so so none. I don't
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: really have a line but like monologue, that.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Little speech he had. Yeah, let's see here, I'm tb summary.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: The candy man and murderous soul with a hook for
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: a hand is accidentally summoned by some into reality by
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: a skeptic grad student researching the monsters myth. So we're
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: gonna just jump right into this on the topic of
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: the grad student researching the monsters myth, that is Helen
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: and her and Bernie have been interviewing various people around
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: town about urban legend type stories. One woman that Helen
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: interviews talks about candy Man, this mythical guy with the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: hook for a hand legend goes that if he will
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: appear behind you, if you look into the mirror and
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: say his name five times, And she goes on to
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: say that her I believe they were friends, but Clara
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and Billy they're like dating. And also Billy, by the way,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: is ted Ramie just a little fucking cameo, a little
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: baby ted Ramy love it? She dares Billy, She's like,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: you know, go in there, say say the name five times.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Billy goes in there and they say the name four times,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and then right after he says it the four time,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: he stops and she turns around. She's like, no one
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: ever gets to five. And then of course she goes
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: downstairs and looks in another mirror and it's like Candy
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Man for the fifth time turns off a light and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: fucking goosh, Candyman kills her, kills the kid she was babysitting,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: and then Billy manages to escape. So that was like,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty metal intro, which is pretty interesting. So
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: then we are introduced to Bernie, which is Helen's friend.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: They're doing the same thing. They're doing a master thesis
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: involving modern fork folklore forlklore folklore. Her husband, Trevor, he's
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: a university professor, and she's very suspicious of his frivolous
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: activities of being out leats and uh, we kind of
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: get the vibe right off the bat that there is
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: some turmoil between them because we all know he's a
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: cheating but his name is Trevor. Okay, I'm just saying
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I'm just a white guy, That's what I'm saying. Like,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: all right, yeah, he sounds like, you know, it's like
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: the modern day Kyle, Like I don't like you. Let's
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: see here. Oh yeah, So she Helen later reviews a
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: recorded conversation of the lady talking about Candyman. That cleaning
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: woman comes up behind her and she's like, oh, I
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: heard about Candy Man. And then she's like, my friend
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: you know knows has a story about him. So she
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: calls in this lady named Kitty, who tells her that
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the murders have taken place in this place, in this
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: place called Cabrini Green, Chicago. The people of Cabrini Green,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Cabrini Green, that is hard to say, Cabrini Green. They've
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: attributed all these deaths in the neighborhood to Candy Man,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: as the victims were butchered with the weapon that was
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: determined to be a hook. So everyone is scared of
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: this man. I mean I would be too. A guy
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: with the hook for a hand sounds pretty pretty horrific,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: especially with all those bees all over him. The bees,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the bees. I'm gonna pass on that. So then the
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: mention of these murders leads Helen to research and archive newspapers.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: She finds out the names of the victims, and even
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: more intriguing, she finds out that her apartment building was
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: designed exactly like Cabrini Green, and it was actually intended
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: for another housing development, but eventually the idea was scrapped
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: because the area of town they were in was too desirable,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: so they turned them into luxury condos, which is where
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Helen lives. And Cabrini Green is basically the same exact model,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: but it's in the poorer part of town because they
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: wanted to separate, like you know, like I said, the
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: part of town was too desirable, so they pushed that
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: to a lesser part of town to keep it away
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: from all the nice stuff typical gentrification honestly, which is
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: really kind of sad when that happens. So do do
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: do do Helen? You know? So Helen at this point,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: she's aware that her units and the building are connected
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: to each other because she goes to her medicine cabinet.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Did they do you remember why she does this? Did
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: she find floor plans or something? But she somehow she
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: realizes that her she like just takes off the medicine
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: cabinet and I was like, why did she because like
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: there's a whole ass apartment behind hers. I just don't
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: remember why she did that. Oh, when she went to
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Cabrini Green, No, in her own apartment. She like was like,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: watch this, and she pulls out the medicine cabinet and
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: she pushes the thing and she's like, don't do that,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: don't do that.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: It was probably just it was probably just she assumed
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: because of the connection. I guess because of the where
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: they went to Cabrini Green where the first murder was
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: like there was like a whole of stuff there. So
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: she was like seeing if it was really how it
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: was really connected, and it probably was just more of
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: an assumption.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she opened So she opens her medicine cabinet first,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: and then that reveals a space that links her apartments,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and she knows that Cabrini Green's apartments are the same
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: because they're the same, or she assumes that they are
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: the same because they're based on the same designs, which
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: again I don't know how she found. So then she
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: and then yeah, so the Greens apartment must be the same,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: and the stories of Candy Man coming out of the
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: medicine chest should indicate a human assailant who has also
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: made the discovery. So she takes Bernadette in that night
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: in the mirror after she puts her fucking mirror back.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: They say candy Man's four times and then they stop,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and then Helen finishes it by saying candy man one
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: last time. So Helen doesn't say it, or Bernadette doesn't
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: say it, but Helen does. And this is kind of
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: where I want your input, is, like, so, why didn't
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: she die immediately? You know, because like the first girl
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: said candyman the fifth time she turned the light off, goose,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: and then she said at the fifth time, maybe because
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: she didn't turn the light out, I don't know, but
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: she didn't die. So I'm wondering if there's an explanation
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: for that, or if it's just a further so or
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: maybe you know, the first story was just the like
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: like it was like folklore, you know what I mean,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Like it's not actually accounted for. This is just like
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: what Maybe that's what it was, because if they opened
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: That way and gave us like a twenty minute expose
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: of this, than you know, half the movie's already done,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: so I get, yeah, that's probably just what they did
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: is just to be like, so, this is what happens
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: when you do this. Yeah, maybe not so fast, but
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: like so.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Fast Okay, so I guess that doesn't make sense. So, yeah,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: she doesn't die like the girl did in the beginning.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: But the next day they go to Kabrina Green, which
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: is a very rundown, like a complex whatever you want
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: to call it. There's graffiti everywhere, blah blah blah. So
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: they eventually find the apartment of one of the murder
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: victims and they decide to go to the medicine cabinet.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: And the medicine cabinet is just off already, so she
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: goes through and it's like this very elaborate layer with
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: what's on the walls like graffiti, and there's like the
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: look it literally looks like I'm pretty sure it's supposed
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: to resemble Tony Todd, but his you know, his face
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: and the mouth. Yeah that she like, you know, the
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: the uh medicine camint you pop out of to the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: other side is like Tony Todd's big open mouth, or
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: at least that's what it looks like to me. So
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: then after that she's fascinated by it, but also, you know,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: a little terrified. She also finds this alter that's constructed
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: there with like all this empty candy and shit, So
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: people are like bringing offerings to the candyman, which I
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: found quite interesting. And then after that they meet the
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: neighbor of the deceased lady, which is Anne Marie, and
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: she's kind of hostile towards them because, as she so
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: put it, you know, white people aren't really so handshaky
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: with us, so she's on alert, which, you know what,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I get it, fair, I get it. White people have
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: to stay shady shit they really are, so I totally
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: get it. But so yeah, she's kind of off put
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: by them, but then eventually lets them in and talks
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: about how she knows she wants to make a better
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: life for her son. This place she needs, you know,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: she needs to get out of this place. And then
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: she remembers that night, like she tells about the night
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: when she heard the neighbor screaming, she called the cops.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: No one came because it's that part of town, you know,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: they don't they don't care, unfortunately, which is really sad.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: So she's going through a really really struggling time living there,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: which I mean, I get it. She's also a single
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: mother as well, raising a kid, which can be extremely tough.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: So this is where he gets interesting and I really
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: like that. They finally go into more of the lore
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: of candy Man, because that night at dinner, when Helen
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: is with Trevor and some of her colleagues, one of
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: the guys goes into the strange backstory revealing what you were,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: what you briefly touched on earlier, of how candy Man
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: was the son of a slave who had come into
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: a great deal of wealth due and invent due to
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: an invention that became hugely successful. Candy Man grew up
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: well schooled, comfortable. He was an artist. He was in
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: you know who was in high demand for wealthy people
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: to like paint portraits and stuff like that. And eventually
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: candy Man had an affair with one of the daughters
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: of his wealthy white clients. Then she became pregnant, and
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: then the man exacted terrified, like horrible revenge on him.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: He sent goons to attack candy Man, cutting off his
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: right hand, stripping him nude, smearing him with honey like
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: honeycomb and honey and shit, and then releasing and angry
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: have a bees on him. And he was stung so
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: many times that he died Like Jesus Christ.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty crazy. This ship's barbaric, don't sleep with
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: another man's don't.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Apparently not so, so that's that's the lore of how
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: you know he came to be, or that's how that's
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: how candy man like he was. You know, he was
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: a real person that died. So that's his backstory, which
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: is really cool. And somehow this intrigues Helen even more.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: She goes back to the building on her own bold move,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: would not be doing that, and then runs into Jake, who's, honestly,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: he's probably my favorite character act to now I think
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: of it. Little Jake, the little guy, little guy, he's
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: so cute. So she's asking him for information. He's like,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I can't talk about it. She's like, we'll just show me,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: like where it was, because she knows that someone died.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: So that's when we get to the kid that died
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: in the bathroom, who was castrated and bled to death.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Fuck man, if you don't know what castration is, I
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: would say look it up, but don't. But essentially genitals
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: cut off, bleeding out, like that's not a good way
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: to go. The the other head, the underneath, the underneath,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the Yeah, and he was like a child too, so
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: that's fucking crazy. And I just left it in the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: toilet and just left him there. Yeah, well I.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Left him in the bathroom, left les less is dingy
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: in the toilet.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, like come on. They pan over to that,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh god, this is horrifying. Uh So
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: she goes in there to take some pictures I guess
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: for research purposes. I don't know. And then that's when
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: the group of guys come in, like you know, I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: guess Street Tufts, whatever you want to call him. One
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: of them is wielding a hook and he's like, you're
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: looking for candy man. You found him, and then bam
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: just knocks her out and this oh no, no it's
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: not coming yet. Sorry. So yeah, that was kind of
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: and they don't do anything to her, which I found
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: interesting because usually that would be a great seg. Not sorry,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: not great segue, but that would be a segue. I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: didn't mean to say it like that. Sorry, That is
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: like for movie making purposes, like a great segue to like,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: you know, abuse a woman or rape a woman. And
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that they just they just left her, and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, thank you for not getting weird with it
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and making it like about abusing women to they knock
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: her out, and then they just leave and I'm like,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I guess to show a message like don't come back here,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: because they also think that her and her friend are cops.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Her and Bernadette they think they're cops because of how
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: they dress. So the next day she identifies the guy
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: that did this to her, who informs that the young
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: man who beat her is suspected of the previous murders.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: He'd been using the legend of Candy Man to frighten
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: the residence of Cabrini Green into silence, and Helen's testimony
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: is gonna actually put him in jail. And then Helen
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: sees Jake at the police station. He's like, hey, thanks
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: for your help, explaining that her attacker was human and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: that Candy Man is not real, and Jake's almost like
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: a mad at her. She's like, that was like that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: was our secret. Liked you by'd you fuck around. So
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: it's revealed at this point that Okay, Candy Man was
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: just a real dude, Like that's it. He was a
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: real dude using this like folklore to you know, not
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: get caught or whatever. So that was pretty interesting turn
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: right there, because you know, you really think it's like
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: if you haven't seen this and you go and you're like, oh, okay,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: that's kind of a disappointing like reveal. But sometime later,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: when Helen's talking to Bernie, she's like, Hey, I'm kind
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: of upset by the fact that, you know, two black
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: people have died in this neighborhood and it's gone unnoticed. Meanwhile,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I get attacked by someone and they lock Cabrini Green down.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Like what because I'm white? She's like, I don't like
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: that makes me uncomfortable, which, yeah, it's like, how are
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: you gonna care about one person more than another person?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, people are people are dying, and then this
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: one moment was just assaulted. It's like, you know, it's
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: just it's just weird how they don't seem to care,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: and that really upsets her. So this is when Bernie
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: gives her the slides that Helen was assumed we're right
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: off after the attack in the men's room, because you know,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: she had been knocked out and then she woke up
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: in or did was she? Yeah, she was knocked up,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: but then the next scene was she was just her
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: in the police office station, right, yes, Okay, So she
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: thought those were done. But on the way back to
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: her car, she's looking at the slides. We suddenly see
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Canny Man for the first time, which is like forty
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: three minutes into the movie, and they have that really
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: cool altercation where he's like standing far away and he's
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: got that like kind of deep booming voice and.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Parking garage. So I, yeah, so the making an echo,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: and I think it's just super cool.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the way they did it was great. So she's
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: trying to you know, she's he's talking to her like,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: you know, you don't know me, but you doubted me,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: and she's he's like, you know, like I want you
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: to be my victim, as almost if he was like
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: speaking to a lover. It's very weird. And then she
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: just like completely like like her eyes rolled back in
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: her head and then she passes out. This is when
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: shit hits the fan, because if like, if you're going
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: into this blind, it is it is a lot because
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: she awakens in a bathroom and she doesn't know where
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: she is, and she soon realizes once she wakes up
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: that she's in Anne Marie's apartment and Helen is completely
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: covered in blood. Anne Marie's screaming, bloody murder in the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: next room, and uh, she notices a meat cleaver right
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: next to her, so she picks that up as I
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: would too, because like, fuck, I don't I just woke
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: up bloody. And when she goes out of the bathroom,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: she sees the dog that Anne Marie had decapitated. So
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: there's just a big old Rottwiler head on the floor
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of blood all over the place. And
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: then Anne Marie is over her son's crib screaming because
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: the kid is gone. She sees a bunch of blood
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: in the crib, and there's a bunch of blood in
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: the crib exactly. So Anne Marie sees Helen and just
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: like starts to attack her because she obviously thinks she's
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: the culprit, and this ends up with them on a
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: tussle and a tussle on the ground, and then you know,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Helen just strikes her with the cleaver because she's no,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: she's just self defending at that point because she's just
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: as confused as she is. And that's when police break
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: through the door surround Helen, and they don't show it,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: but they bring her to the precinct and This is
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: when she's humiliated by having to strip naked in front
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: of an officer. Been there, done that. Not fun, not fun.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Don't ever do that, Kid's stay out of jail. Don't
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: do that. It's not fun. They make you do every
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: like they make you squat open your butt cheeks. It's horrible.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Don't do it. Don't do it. So, yeah, she's kind
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: of embarrassing, and I would be embarrassed too. She's completely
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: covered in blood. She's confused, covered in blood like people
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: are dead, someone's missing, like you know, there's there's a
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: lot going on that you know she's and she's kind
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: of just in shock. She's not like hysterical or anything.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: She's just like her She's got like wide eyes and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: she's sobbing, and she just has no idea what's going on,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: as as you would if you woke up in the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: same way. So later, Detective Valentino or sorry Valento, he's
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: very angry with her. Uh and because you know, they
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: think everyone thinks that she's responsible for the attack. I mean,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: she's the only person there. She's got blood all over her.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: So she's like, let me make a phone call. I
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: gotta call Trevor. She calls Trevor, only to discover that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: he's not home, even though it's three in the fucking morning.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: So that's suspicious. If the the if it wasn't confirmed
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: that he was cheating, it's definitely confirmed now. And then
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: the next day he finally comes for Helen and he
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: takes her home, and her lawyers like, hey, they released
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: you because you know, they think the body's a child's
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: body is gonna turn up. They're gonna get you with
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: murder one, but it's probably not gonna happen. Helen is
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: like kind of comforted, but can't comprehend what's going on her.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: And then she questions Trevor later that night, like where
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: were you at three am? And he's like, oh, I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: was sleeping, but we all saw. We all saw the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: empty bed. We saw we saw the empty bed, Trevor,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: You're not feeling anybody. So the next day, looking at
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: more slides of Cabrini Green, she's able to see Candy
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Man standing behind her in one shot, even though she
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: knows he wasn't there when she took the picture. And
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: then this is when he pops out of them, like
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: his fucking I love this scene because his arm pops
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: out of the medicine chest, so she runs to the hallway.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: She opens the door, he's standing in the hallway and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: then she goes back inside to try to call nine
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: to one one and then he's standing right behind her.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: It was just such a cool montage and it was
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: all one take too, so it's really cool. It was
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: really very well done. So he talks to her again.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I've got the child. Of course, he says,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: it way cooler than I'm doing. But he's like, I
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: have the child. If you come with me, I'll let
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: the child go. But if you don't come with me,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: then the child dies. And it's like, this is shitty
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: both ways. I don't like either one of these. And
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: that's when she hears someone knocking at the door and
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: it's Bernie and I think I'm probably gonna even here.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of want to keep going.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Uh oh, that's a pretty decent spot, because this is
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: when I mean has already hit the Fani. This is
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: when the ship starts.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't, I won't continue with that altercation. But
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Helen does black out again, and she wakes up handcuffed
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: to a gurney, being given injections, and uh, she breaks
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: free from where she's at and sees sees a scene.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I'll just say that, and then she's she's taken away
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: to a psychiatric ward. And when she's put in this
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: room by herself, she it's a really cool shot of
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Candy Man hovering above her, like, yeah, she's laying flat
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: down on a gurney and he comes like from the ceiling,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: flat down of her and says cool, awesome, creepy shit,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: and uh, he's like, you belong to me now. And
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: of course when she screams for help and the medics
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: come in, they can't see Candy Man. It's only Helen.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: So that's where I'll leave it there. She's in a
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: psychiatric word because a lot of things have happened around her,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: and she's the only one to point the finger at. Unfortunately,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: because no one can see this Candy Man, she keeps
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: thinking exists. So overall thoughts, impressions, feelings on this watch.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Through Sir Sam as the first time or the first
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: couple of times. I don't remember if this was my
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: third or fourth or whatever. It was my second log,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: second log, my second log, but uh, same feelings that
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: I had the first time, which are I liked, I like,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: I like, I enjoyed? There is now you know of
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: watching the you know, after we watched the remake, and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: I've seen the remake a few times since this came out. Now,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: there are a couple of things in this that they
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: included plot points for the remake that make me actually
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: appreciate the remake a little bit more. Yeah, which so
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: for instance, without giving it just just in case no
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: one's seen the remake yet or gunning around to it.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: But uh, in the original this one they mentioned, you know,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: he was a paint airport and stuff whatever. The main
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: character in the in the remake is a painter and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: you know, getting obsessed with the paintings when all the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: ship starts happening to So there are and also of
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Vanessa Williams in this one is the main character's mom
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: and the new one, which is how they're connecting the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: original to this one without it being a remake, but
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: like again another just like the hell Raisers are reimagining,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: there is some connection there, but it is its own movie.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So there are a couple of things in this
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: movie that even though I already I gave the newest
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: one of five, you can't like, like five out of five,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: I still appreciate. Maybe I appreciate this one a little
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: bit more for that, even though the other one for
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Wright and Wise. Obviously the writers of the remake did
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: their homework and maybe this was all coincidental't like with
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: the with the with the the painter. Uh, because they're
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: in New York in this one, which you know, a
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: lot of people in New York are either actors or
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: painters really or some type of artists. So oh yeah,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: I went, I went, I went proper in that one.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: But uh, well, Cabrini Green is still mentioned in the sequel,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: so I don't. I don't know if they're in New York.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because I know they still talk about
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Cabrini Green.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: That's true, and he actually never mind, uh and he
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: actually goes there to take pictures for his art style.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, I just don't. I just don't know
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: where it's actually set, but I know.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Made Field, New York. I guess where they actually live.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: It made me feel in the new one, it made
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: me feel New York.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, because they're in like a penthouse almost like
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: it just made it feel like New York type. But yeah, no,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I totally didn't realize that. Yeah, that that is that
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: is pretty cool.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: The art gallery basically, yeah, basically the plot of this movie,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: all the stuff that really goes down is surrounded around,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: uh the art gallery. When he starts putting his ship
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, and he's painting and then gets obsessed
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: with the paintings and you know, later on in life,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: later on life, later on in the movie, most of
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: his paintings are just different I guess, I guess what
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: they got in the movie, or different candy manser. They're
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: like you see twenty todds like portrait and you see
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: another like three or four African American males face on
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: there as well, which can all be uh be considered
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: a different version of Candyman. Because the and the remake
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: reimagine whatever you want to call it. It's kind of
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: explained that, just like you know, and like James Bond
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: or stuff like this, like candy Man is not just
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: one person. It's it's it's like, I mean, it's a legend.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: So they kind of like hand it down like generation
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: and generation type of scenario, right, just like you know
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: and James Wone double seven. Double seven is just the number.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: He's not that person, Like you can name anybody double seven,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: which so I know completely do different movies, but like
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: the same idea was there. So so I think it
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: makes me appreciate the new one even more, even though
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: I appreciate the hell of it already. Yeah, because it
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: seems like they took plot elements that were just talked
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: about in the original and put it into flourish as
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: the plot points in the new one, which if that's
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: if that's indeed what they did, that's fucking cool.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a lot of ways. I think it's
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: hard to talk about because I don't want to spoil it,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of ways you can take the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: new one too, because how they tell the story, it leads,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: it leads to multiple ways that could Like I don't
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: know if there's actually like a solid It's so hard
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: to explain on what I'm saying, but I don't know
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: if there's an actual, like solid way they're trying to
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: tell the story, or if it's kind of interpretive and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: you can kind of make what you wanted it. Because
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: I have plenty of like I have a couple of
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: different theories I think is what's going on. But it's
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: just it's so well done. And also it's actually really
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: cool too because they only say the main character's name
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: five times in that movie yep, before because yeah, because
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: of it's really it's a very subtle thing. But yeah,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: his name is said five time times before like the whole.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Thought it thought so brilliant, and I thought the ending
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: of that movie was The remake was just perfect.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everything about that was perfect. The score was set,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: the tone, I love, the camera work, the acting was phenomenal,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the goal was there, like it was. It was literally
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: how to do a sequel or like remake, requel, whatever
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: you want to call it. Perfectly it was perfect. So yeah,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: on this rewatch for me. I actually I only had
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: this at a three and a half from last time,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: which is interesting because I thought I had it out
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: a four, but I was like so entranced this time.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I was just picking up more
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: things or if I wasn't really paying attention the first
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: few times I watched it.
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  Speaker 2: Sh It's so funny because you know, like you've seen
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  Speaker 2: this a few times, so of I like with is
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  Speaker 2: some General's movies. It's so funny how like you literalize
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  Speaker 2: you just pick out something and it just makes it.
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  Speaker 2: You're just enjoying it more like there could have just
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  Speaker 2: been that one small detail. Yeah, you never picked up,
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  Speaker 2: and then all a sudden you pick it. Were like,
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  Speaker 2: that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: I just I guess I never really watched it and
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  Speaker 1: really paid attention to what was going on. I think
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  Speaker 1: I just watched it and just let it happen. But
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: I was like picking it apart. Plus I was taking
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: notes on it usually when I watched movies for the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: I obviously noticed the most. And I think I was
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: also alone, like Gabby was watching something else in another room,
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  Speaker 1: so I think just how it was happening, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is actually like a fucking amazing movie. Because for
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  Speaker 1: some reason, I don't know why it was at three
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  Speaker 1: and a half. I still don't know where I'm rating it.
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  Speaker 1: It's obviously going to be higher. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I'm where I'm at just yet, and I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to sit on it for a little bit. But I
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  Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. I don't feel like it drags it all.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's only about you know, it's just under
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  Speaker 1: one hundred minutes, it's like an hour thirty eight. Performances
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  Speaker 1: all around are good. Just a story in general, and
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  Speaker 1: how it progresses is great. I love the ending. It's
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  Speaker 1: just very I feel like they just had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun with that ending, like you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Like someone wrote that down, someone was proud of that ending,
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  Speaker 1: because I was like, that is a solid way to
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  Speaker 1: just cap the whole thing off. But just overall, it
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  Speaker 1: was just such a pleasant experience. So what did you write?
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  Speaker 1: What did you give it?
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  Speaker 2: I give it the same thing I did well the
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  Speaker 2: first time I logged it was three five, So, I
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  Speaker 2: mean I thought it was a great movie. I really did,
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  Speaker 2: but I didn't think it was anything soup Like I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: didn't catch anything like new I guess. I mean I've
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: seen it a handful of times in general, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like I didn't think it was anything like super amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, I thought it was great,
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  Speaker 2: and I think a three point five is is great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm just gonna give it a four
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  Speaker 1: because I know, you know, I gave the other one
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  Speaker 1: a five. So let's see. I've got trivia and shit
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  Speaker 1: on my phone because I forgot to put it on
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  Speaker 1: the sheet because that happens, all right, So let's see here, trivia.
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  Speaker 1: There's actually some pretty cool shit on this. So the
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: bees were bred specifically for this movie. They needed to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that the bees were only twelve hours old,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: so they looked like mature bees, but their stinger would
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  Speaker 1: not be powerful enough to do any real damage. That's cool.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Exterior hallway and stairway scenes were actually filmed for a
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  Speaker 1: few days in the infamous Cabrini Green housing projects. The
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  Speaker 1: producers had to make a deal with the ruling gang
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  Speaker 1: members to put in put them in the movie as
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  Speaker 1: extras to ensure the cast and cruse safety during film.
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  Speaker 1: Even with this arrangement, a sniper put a bullet through
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  Speaker 1: the production van on the last day of filming, though
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  Speaker 1: no one was injured. Holy shit. Tony Todd negotiated a
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  Speaker 1: bonus of one thousand dollars for every beasting he suffered
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  Speaker 1: during filming, So he got twenty three thousand dollars because
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: he was stung twenty three times.
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  Speaker 2: Nice. That's that's how you negotiation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how you do it. That's fucking brilliant. The
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  Speaker 1: film's opening credits feature a great aerial view of Chicago,
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  Speaker 1: which was pretty revolutionary for its time.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's where the remake is in Chicago. Yeah, probably, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: probably because they kind it like New York and Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: They can Yeah, they can be confused for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Quote, we did that with an incredible new machine called
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: the skycam, which can shoot up to a five hundred
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  Speaker 1: millimeter lens with no vibration. Bernard Rose told The Independent,
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  Speaker 1: You've never seen that shot before, or at least not
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  Speaker 1: done that smoothly, So that was pretty cool. Whenever Candy
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  Speaker 1: Man is walking, his footsteps have no sounds, signifying his
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: status as rumor and mythology powered by superstition come to life.
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  Speaker 1: On the DVD commentary, Alan Poles said that Virginia Manson,
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  Speaker 1: had Virginia Virginia Manson been unavailable, that part of Helen
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: would have gone to the most likely gone to the
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  Speaker 1: unknown Sandra Bullock. That would have been a different movie.
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  Speaker 1: That would have been a way different movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But now that you say that, it makes me
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: think of, oh, what is the It's not it's more
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: of a psychological thriller, but the movie The Net that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: she was in soon as the said central Bullock, I
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: don't know why but the first movie I thought of
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  Speaker 2: that where her acting would come into play in this
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  Speaker 2: movie would have been the net that Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting for the scene in which bees Phil Candyman's chest
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: cavity bees were placed in a special body appliance which
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: was filled off stage and strapped to Tony Todd's chest.
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  Speaker 1: Utmost care was taken to be gentle and placing the
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  Speaker 1: bees properly for the scene and then collecting them afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: Originally scripted, candy Man's name was to be called thirteen times,
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  Speaker 1: but writer and director Burtnard Rose reduced it to five.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: I thank You's half the movie saying his name, thank.
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  Speaker 1: You got two goofs. Here sixty four minutes in, when
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  Speaker 1: Helen was having her medical injection, the needle bends on
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  Speaker 1: her shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: I did notice.
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  Speaker 1: And when Helen is in the public toilet, sunlight have
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: you seen coming through the windows yet? At the camera
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: cuts outside to Jake, it is very overcast? Fun stuff. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this has a standby one second. This has a six
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  Speaker 1: point seven on the IMDb's and a three point seven
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: on the letterbox. You gave it a three to five.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a four because I appreciated it
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit more this time. Absolutely love this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely need to go watch the remake now because I've
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: only watched that one time. I need to go rewatch
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  Speaker 1: that immediately. So yeah, that was candy Man from nineteen
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• 1:18:59
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• 1:19:02
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