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Joshua’s Altar Found? | Aaron Lipkin | The Week in Bible Prophecy · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers Podcast. Hello, everyone,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program today. Mono Gonzalez here in the
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Speaker 1: studio with our good friend Aaron Lipkin, and we're going
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Speaker 1: to be discussing some of the archaeology and updates of
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Speaker 1: what is happening in the land of Israel. As you
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Speaker 1: might know, things are always progressing there at lightning speed,
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Speaker 1: which I think is awesome. And it's great to have
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Speaker 1: Aaron here who can give us some updates about a
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Speaker 1: variety of things. So, as always, Aerin welcome, Thank you.
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Speaker 2: It's great to be here again after long two or
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Speaker 2: three years of absence, so great to be here in
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Speaker 2: the United States.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you are you kind of tell us a
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Speaker 1: little bit about what you're doing here.
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Speaker 2: So I lecture about biblical archaeology and churches and synagogues
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Speaker 2: in Israel. And my main topics that I speak about
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Speaker 2: are the discovery of Joshua's Alter, and some relate to
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Speaker 2: discoveries to Joshua's Alter and another interesting discovery, the footprint structures.
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Speaker 2: Both discoveries are thanks to the work of Professor Adams Ertel.
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Speaker 2: The late Professor Adams Ertel from the hyper University. Adams
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Speaker 2: Ertel actually spoke to the Prophecy Watchers group in Jerusalem.
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Speaker 2: I believe it was in two thousand and fifteen. He
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Speaker 2: came to the group and lectured about Joshu Zolta. We
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Speaker 2: actually have a picture of Adams speaking to the group.
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Speaker 2: So I am part of Adams Ertel's team. I'm not
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Speaker 2: an archaeologist. I am their drone photographer, and so during
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Speaker 2: their work I come with my drone and take photos
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Speaker 2: of the archaeological sites that they discover, and then these
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Speaker 2: photos are published in their academic publications. And other than
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Speaker 2: that time in ISRAELI juw. I live in the o
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Speaker 2: Ryen Samaria, right by Shiloh and Bethel and these important
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Speaker 2: Biblical sites. And I have a travel agency that arranges
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Speaker 2: tours of work Christians from the United States that come
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Speaker 2: to Israel, and we actually have a tour we do
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Speaker 2: this coming May. Registration is over, it's a pretty fault
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Speaker 2: bus is full. So we're looking at really looking forward
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Speaker 2: to hosting you in Israel. And I think one last
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Speaker 2: thing is that I served seven hundred and thirty days
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Speaker 2: in reserve duty this past two years in Israel. I'm
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Speaker 2: sure our viewers know that Israel had a war going
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Speaker 2: on for the past two years, and so I served
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Speaker 2: in the army. Actually received an award of Excellence nice
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Speaker 2: for my work there, and I never received an award
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Speaker 2: for excellence for anything in my life, and for the
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Speaker 2: first time, at the age of fifty, actually got one.
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Speaker 2: And so and at the same time, while there was
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Speaker 2: a war going on in Israel, we actually had groups
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Speaker 2: landing from America, Christian groups touring the land. And you know,
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Speaker 2: this was not just a visit to Israel and to
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Speaker 2: the biblical sites, and was also a way to show
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Speaker 2: their support for the Jewish people in the state of Israel.
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Speaker 2: So we were really honored to be able to host
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Speaker 2: them in Israel. And this was a great encouragement for us. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, to me, obviously, we love we
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Speaker 1: love going to Israel and it's gonna be a good
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Speaker 1: time in May. For those that you talked about speaking
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Speaker 1: at churches, you know, maybe some of you are watching
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Speaker 1: this and you might want Aaron to come speak your church.
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Speaker 1: How do they find out about that.
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Speaker 2: Well, they can visit the Altar of Joshua dot com.
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Speaker 2: I have all the information there and they can send
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Speaker 2: an invitation to me, and I'll be happy to connect
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Speaker 2: and and next time when I come to the States,
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Speaker 2: I'll be happy to come to the church and and
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Speaker 2: speak about these discoveries. What's really important about these discoveries
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Speaker 2: is that the person that made the discoveries, Adam Zertal,
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Speaker 2: was not a believer. He was an atheist Jew from
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Speaker 2: a kibbutz, socialist the kibutz in Israel. And the discoveries
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Speaker 2: that he made, I wouldn't say made him a believer,
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Speaker 2: but they made him believe in the historicity of the Bible.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that our viewers don't notice, but the mainline
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Speaker 2: view in the academic world is that large parts of
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Speaker 2: the Bible, the Hebrew Bible, are not true. They never
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Speaker 2: really happened, they were made up. And what Adams Zertal
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Speaker 2: was able to do with his discoveries is that to
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Speaker 2: actually prove that the early parts of the Bible, mainly
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Speaker 2: the Book of Deuteronomy, Joshua and on, correspond with the
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Speaker 2: historical accounts of the Bible. And I think that that's
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Speaker 2: very important for Bible believers to know, because you know,
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Speaker 2: when we send out our children to colleges and they
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Speaker 2: have confront this mindset of the Bible as a fairy tale.
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Speaker 2: If they go there with the knowledge that Adams are
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Speaker 2: tel Davis from his discoveries, you know, they are better equipped.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean this is really the
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Speaker 1: value of understanding archaeology and its connection to the Bible
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Speaker 1: and the land. You know, there is this I remember
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Speaker 1: being again and as you guys know, I got a
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Speaker 1: degree in archaeology, but in the land of Israel. But
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Speaker 1: I was coming in out. I didn't really fully I
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Speaker 1: loved archaeology, but once I got in the academic world,
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Speaker 1: I was just shocked. Like you know, one of the
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Speaker 1: the professors, very wise, he would have us read books.
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Speaker 1: And I went to him and I go, I'm reading
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Speaker 1: this book, you know, by Israel Finkelstein. And he was
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Speaker 1: a book that he had said, and I go, I
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Speaker 1: don't think he believes the Bible. And he goes, that's
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Speaker 1: exactly why I want you to read it. Not so
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Speaker 1: much to convince me, but he wanted to say, listen,
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Speaker 1: this is the world. If you're going to be in
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Speaker 1: the academic world, and especially archaeological world, you need to
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Speaker 1: know who the players are and you have you know,
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Speaker 1: the minimalist and the maximsist all this debate, but just
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Speaker 1: I want you to be aware of what the other
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Speaker 1: side is saying. And so that that was very helpful
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Speaker 1: because I was all naive. I thought everybody believed the Bible,
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Speaker 1: of course, but archaeology is so amazing. Talk a little
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Speaker 1: bit about you know, most of you are familiar with,
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Speaker 1: or you might not be. Maybe Joshua's Alter. Maybe give
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Speaker 1: us a brief introduction for those that might not have
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Speaker 1: ever heard about it, and then give us an update.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So the Bible clearly speaks about a commandment by
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Speaker 2: Moses in Deuteronomy eleven to do a ceremonial blessings and
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Speaker 2: curses on Mountiballle and Mount Garysin. And then in Deuteronomy
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Speaker 2: twenty seven Moses repeats that commandment and actually details exactly
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Speaker 2: what needs to be done. So there are actually two
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Speaker 2: things that needs to be done. One is to build
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Speaker 2: a stone altar from uncut stones multi ball to do
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Speaker 2: a sacrifice. Is there and basically too, you know, I
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Speaker 2: always ask the churches that I go to, why is
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Speaker 2: Moses commanding the Israelites The first thing they do when
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Speaker 2: they enter the land is to build an altar and
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Speaker 2: do a barbecue party, and so you know, the answer
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Speaker 2: is very clear. They just entered the land of Israel.
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Speaker 2: They came out of Egypt, they wandered for forty years,
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Speaker 2: and they finally got to the land that was promised
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Speaker 2: to them by Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and God. And
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Speaker 2: so they're celebrating. They're doing a celebration in honor of
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Speaker 2: the entrance to the land of Israel. It's their independence day.
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Speaker 2: And then the second thing that Moses commands in Deuteronomy
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Speaker 2: twenty seven is to do a ceremony of blessings and curses,
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Speaker 2: where you have six tribes standing on Mount gary Zine
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Speaker 2: the mountain of blessing, and six tribes standing on Mount Ibad,
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Speaker 2: the mountain of curses. And there you have basically a
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Speaker 2: different type of commandment to perform a covenantal event. I
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Speaker 2: always say in churches, this is a second Mount Sinai h.
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Speaker 2: And when you look at the list of curses that
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Speaker 2: the Israelites are supposed to answer a men to and accept,
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Speaker 2: you see if there are many parallels to the Ten Commandments.
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Speaker 2: So when the Israelites are standing there and they're hearing,
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Speaker 2: you know, you should respect your father and mother. You
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Speaker 2: should not about to Uh, to uh statues, and and
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Speaker 2: and and to pagan work. All of these things correspond
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Speaker 2: with the Ten Commandments and also in their mind. And
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Speaker 2: so this is a very important ceremony, the building of
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Speaker 2: an altar a Mountibal, and then the covenantal ceremony at
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Speaker 2: Mount garry Zee and the Mount Tibal. And then when
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Speaker 2: Joshua enters into the land in Joshua eighth, he actually
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Speaker 2: performs the commandments, builds an uncle, an uncut an altar
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Speaker 2: of uncut stones, and performs the ceremony of blessings and curses.
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Speaker 2: And so we have a clear statement by the Bible
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Speaker 2: that there is a structure of uncut stones that is
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Speaker 2: present on Mount Ibal, and archaeologists are Christian. Archaeologists in
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Speaker 2: the end of the end of the nineteenth century early
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Speaker 2: twentieth century went to look for that altar, and they
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Speaker 2: looked for it on the southern slopes of Mount Ebal,
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Speaker 2: facing the valley of where the ceremony was supposed to happen.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't find any altar, any structure. Later on, when
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Speaker 2: you go into the nineteen seventies nineteen eighties, you have
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Speaker 2: a new school of thought in Europe that is basically
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Speaker 2: overtaking the academic world and is saying, of course you
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Speaker 2: didn't find the altar on Mount Ebal, it never really existed.
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Speaker 2: These are the Bible deniers of the minimalists. And so
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Speaker 2: when we come to the year nineteen eighty, we have
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Speaker 2: a professor of archaeology, Adam Zertau, who was actually an
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Speaker 2: education according to the minimalist view in the Tel Aviv University,
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Speaker 2: that the Bible is not true or is not accurate,
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Speaker 2: that thein the early stories of the Bible with the
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Speaker 2: Exodus and the conquest of Canaan, and you know, King
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Speaker 2: David can tell oh, these stories were invented hundreds of
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Speaker 2: years later and are not really true. And because there's
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Speaker 2: no proof, and so Adam's ratal is walking, you know,
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Speaker 2: on Mount Ibal. He's doing something called in archaeology and
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Speaker 2: archaeological survey. He's mapping ancient sites on the mountain. And
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Speaker 2: as he walks on the eastern slopes of the mountain,
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Speaker 2: not the southern slopes, he bumps into an ancient compound.
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Speaker 2: When he goes in, he identifies that the pottery is
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Speaker 2: from the settlement period. We're talking about the year thirteen
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Speaker 2: hundred BC. That's a long time. It's a long time, yeah, ago.
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Speaker 2: And as he advances into this compound and the pottery
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Speaker 2: all over, he reaches the top of the area and
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Speaker 2: the top of the area has a pile of stone.
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Speaker 2: This is April of nineteen eighty. He decides to excavate.
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Speaker 2: So in nineteen eighty two he comes with his crew,
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Speaker 2: and our viewers need to remember he's not looking for
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Speaker 2: the altar. He probably doesn't believe it exists. It exists.
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Speaker 2: He just gets there and he sees an ancient sight
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Speaker 2: from the settlement period, and it interests him. He wants
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Speaker 2: curious to know what's there. And so they start excavating
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Speaker 2: that pile of stone and they start peeling off the
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Speaker 2: outer layer and under that a structure emerges. The structure
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Speaker 2: is very I have to say, it's strange, very strange.
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Speaker 2: A room that doesn't have a door. The room is
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Speaker 2: filled and sealed, and there is a ramp going up
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Speaker 2: to the rectangular room, and there are two courtyards on
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Speaker 2: both sides of the ramp. And this was really really weird,
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Speaker 2: was really strange for Adam's retel and started excavating inside
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Speaker 2: into that room that had no door, and he found
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Speaker 2: the four layers of bones and ashes. And when he
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Speaker 2: continued on excavating, getting to the lowest area in the room,
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Speaker 2: the bedrock, he actually found an installation that was even
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Speaker 2: ancient than the actual building itself. And so, you know,
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Speaker 2: he was really curious, didn't know what it was. And
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Speaker 2: he made a sketch of this structure. And a religious
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Speaker 2: Jew came by and saw this and said, professors are tau,
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Speaker 2: don't you recognize what this is? And he said, no,
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Speaker 2: I don't, and he brought him a book from the Mishnah,
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Speaker 2: the Jewish writing of the oral Tora, and he opened
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Speaker 2: the miss ninety showed Adams Ruttal a picture of the
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Speaker 2: Second Temple altar, and Adams Rutel is looking at both
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Speaker 2: pictures and he can't believe it. They're they're identical. And
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Speaker 2: so at that point it dawned at Adams Rutal that
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Speaker 2: he found a major Israelite worshiping site on Mount Ebaler
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Speaker 2: and that at that point he understood that the altar
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Speaker 2: is Joshua's alter. And you know, Adams Retail describes how
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Speaker 2: his whole world collapses. He cannot sleep for three or
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Speaker 2: four days because for Adams Rutal as a professor. This
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Speaker 2: is this is unacceptable, this, this is this goes against
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Speaker 2: all his education. And obviously the reaction in Israel was
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Speaker 2: very enthusiastic. I mean, you know, Jews in Israel were
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Speaker 2: very excited about the possibility of finding an original the
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Speaker 2: Israelite altar that can be identified with Joshua's Alter, and
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Speaker 2: so there action was very enthusiastic. And at the same time,
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Speaker 2: the academic world immediately attacked. That's the system ware it
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Speaker 2: rolls mostly due to the fact that the site is
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Speaker 2: located in Samaria, which is according to the left wing
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Speaker 2: in Israel, to become a Palestinian state and is not
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Speaker 2: part of the land of Israel. And are for our viewers,
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Speaker 2: you should understand that Joshua's Alter is smack inside the
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Speaker 2: area where all the biblical stories happen with Abraham, with
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Speaker 2: with with Jacob, and with Joshua. This is this is
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Speaker 2: really the center of the Israelites, the operation of the
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Speaker 2: Israelite in the land of Israel. So there was a
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Speaker 2: major attack on Adams Ortel. There was even a scholar
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Speaker 2: that said that if Adams Ortel is right and he
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Speaker 2: found an altar on Malti balle We Bible scholars should
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Speaker 2: all go back to kindergarten. This was this was the reaction,
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Speaker 2: and and and therefore the it was a very strong
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Speaker 2: opposition to try and excommunicate Adams Ertaut when the academic
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Speaker 2: world stopped funding him. He never was never able to
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Speaker 2: complete his final report on the excavation because of the
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Speaker 2: academic world excommunicating him and not allowing to be able
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Speaker 2: to give him grants for his work as an archaeologist.
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Speaker 2: And believe it or not, since nineteen eighty ninety the
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Speaker 2: end of the excavations on Mount Ebal, the final report
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Speaker 2: was not published until today twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Wow, like right now, we're living it right now.
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Speaker 2: Wow. People have to understand this is critical because only
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Speaker 2: after the final report is written, the actual discovery becomes
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Speaker 2: a fact in the archaeological world, something that people can
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Speaker 2: can dispute, can talk about, can dialogue about. And then
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Speaker 2: it also becomes something that you learn about in school,
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Speaker 2: in history or in archaeology and so on. So this
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Speaker 2: was really a way by the academic world to squelch
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Speaker 2: the discovery of Joshua's Alter. But thank god, there's several
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Speaker 2: of the very very exciting developments that are we're about
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Speaker 2: to see that are connected to the altar.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that really is the key is you know,
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Speaker 1: you think thirty seven years people had to wait to
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Speaker 1: keep the knowledge out and so this report is it
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Speaker 1: out yet.
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Speaker 2: So we just got a very generous donation several years ago.
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Speaker 2: And so doctor Shaibar, who is the student of Adam's
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Speaker 2: retile Adams are Taal passed away in twenty fifteen. Shaibar
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Speaker 2: is now working hard with his team on completing the
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Speaker 2: final report. Hopefully that's going to be published during twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty seven. And doctor shaiber actually shared some of the
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Speaker 2: new insights from the final report. They did some several
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Speaker 2: carbon dating of different findings from the altar, and for example,
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Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. There is a very fascinating result.
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Speaker 2: When Adams Erteld dated the site in the nineteen eighties,
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Speaker 2: he dated it to the reign of Ramses the second
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Speaker 2: according to the Scabs, according to the carbon dating that
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Speaker 2: he did at that time, and so for him, that
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Speaker 2: was the time where the site was built. According to
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Speaker 2: the carbon dating that doctor Shibar has performed, it seems
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Speaker 2: as if there are two stages to the site. The
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Speaker 2: first stage. The earliest stage is actually from the Late
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Speaker 2: Bronze Age, which means around the year thirteen hundred, possibly
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Speaker 2: even earlier than that, and that is really fascinating because
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Speaker 2: when you ask a rabbi or a pastor when did
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Speaker 2: the Exodus happen, he will say that it happened around
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Speaker 2: the year fourteen fifty or fourteen forty, which would placed
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Speaker 2: the building of the altar in the Late Bronze Age,
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Speaker 2: not in the Early Iron Age. And so what we
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Speaker 2: see is first of all, results that are showing that
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Speaker 2: the chronology, the traditional chronology of Jews and Christians is
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Speaker 2: actually not so far away from from what the science
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Speaker 2: is saying. And the second thing, which is also very fascinating,
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Speaker 2: is that after the building of the early stage of
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Speaker 2: the altar, a circular installation at the middle of that
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Speaker 2: room that I described, we have a break in use
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Speaker 2: of this site, and then the use. Then the bigger
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Speaker 2: altar is built on top of the older altar, and
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Speaker 2: that's in use for around seventy maybe eighty years. This
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Speaker 2: is during the end of the time of the Judges,
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Speaker 2: maybe even during the time of Samuel. This is very
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Speaker 2: interesting because it's not mentioned in the Bible the Bible
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Speaker 2: is not saying any thing about a major Israelite alter
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Speaker 2: in operation on Mount Ibad. During the title of the Judges.
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Speaker 2: There might be a verse talking about it. In Joshua nine,
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Speaker 2: when the Bible describes the punishment the Gibeonites who cheated
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Speaker 2: Joshua and the Israelites, there are the verses that God
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Speaker 2: the Joshua made them wood shoppers and water carriers at
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Speaker 2: the Altar of the Lord. And so this could be
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Speaker 2: a you know, a later verse describing the second stage
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Speaker 2: of the altar of Joshua, where you had the alter
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Speaker 2: of Joshua in the beginning, and then during the time
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Speaker 2: of the Judges it became the altar of the Lord,
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Speaker 2: which venerated the earlier alter of Joshua.
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Speaker 1: I could see too, where just historically speaking and even
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Speaker 1: from a from a civilized you know, in the sense
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Speaker 1: of a culture, that that's going to be a huge reminder.
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Speaker 1: I imagine many of the prophets or others would would want
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Speaker 1: to use that as a way to maintain covenant fellowship
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Speaker 1: with God and to maintain the relationship and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: look this is still here. And so for them to
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Speaker 1: use it would be a reminder to the people we
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Speaker 1: need to stay faithful. So I certainly could see that
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Speaker 1: going on and really until later what you see in
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Speaker 1: the time of the profits. But talk for the sake
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Speaker 1: of time. You also have been very involved in the
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Speaker 1: lead tablet so and we've talked about that, we've written
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Speaker 1: about it in the magazine before. Give us an update
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Speaker 1: on that, just.
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Speaker 2: To you have a background. In twenty nineteen, we cleared
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Speaker 2: the ancient archaeological dum of Adam's Ertel from the nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighties for in other words, when Adam excavated inside the ultar,
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Speaker 2: the material was dry sifted and then he threw it
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Speaker 2: down the valley nearby the altar. And so the idea
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Speaker 2: was that there might be a chance that adams Ertal
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Speaker 2: didn't really either didn't do a good job sifting the
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Speaker 2: material or just didn't have the technology and the understanding
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Speaker 2: that we have today in archaeology. And so we cleared
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Speaker 2: around the thirty to forty percent of the archaeological dump
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Speaker 2: to a safe location nearby, and an archaeologist by the
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Speaker 2: name of doctor Scott's Tripling from Houston from Associates and
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Speaker 2: Biblical Research, came with his crew and for maybe two
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Speaker 2: or three weeks they worked on re examining the ancient dump.
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Speaker 2: And after a few days I get a phone call
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Speaker 2: from Scott and Scott says, Aaron, get over here. We
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Speaker 2: found something. And you know, when I got there, Scott
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Speaker 2: opened his hand and I saw this small piece of
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Speaker 2: metal in his hand and asked him what it was,
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Speaker 2: and he said he didn't know. And this was sent
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Speaker 2: to be analyzed in the in the in Prague, in
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Speaker 2: the Czech Republic. And when they sent us scans, they
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Speaker 2: told us there's there are indentations on the metal. We
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Speaker 2: see that someone engraved shapes on the on the metal.
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Speaker 2: We don't know what it is. Send it to experts
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Speaker 2: and and these scans were sent and the the answer was,
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Speaker 2: there is ancient Hebrew engraved on this lead strip of
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Speaker 2: metal and a lead tablet that was folded on the outside.
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Speaker 1: So far all you could see was the outside.
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Speaker 2: Right, it was outside, and they wanted they wanted to
22:44
Speaker 2: see what's inside, but they couldn't open it because it
22:47
Speaker 2: was it was very fragile. After a few weeks, doctor
22:51
Speaker 2: Scott Stripling did a press conference in Houston announcing the
22:56
Speaker 2: text that was found there a terrible curse in an
23:02
Speaker 2: ancient Hebrew script sometimes called Sinaietic script, sometimes called Hieroglyphic Hebrew,
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Speaker 2: Paleo Hebrew, or Paleo Hebrew, and that curse actually had
23:16
Speaker 2: the name of the Hebrew god Yhw and the name
23:21
Speaker 2: l which is another name for God in Hebrew. And
23:25
Speaker 2: it was just a magnificent finding because it just goes
23:30
Speaker 2: totally against so much of what the academic world has
23:34
Speaker 2: been saying, again that the Israelites were illiterate, that the
23:37
Speaker 2: belief in the god name Yhw was not founded yet
23:42
Speaker 2: during the late Bronze early Iron Age period, and this
23:46
Speaker 2: goes totally with the Bible and what the Bible described.
23:50
Speaker 2: So again, very strong reaction against that. The peer reviewed
23:54
Speaker 2: article was published in twenty twenty one in Science Heritage,
23:59
Speaker 2: So if you were sitting that, you can find it
24:01
Speaker 2: on the internet. And uh. And again immediately after that,
24:05
Speaker 2: reactions from the academic world claiming that this wasn't a
24:10
Speaker 2: tablet with writing on it, and this is a fishing
24:13
Speaker 2: sink that was like a fishing way. Yeah, that was
24:17
Speaker 2: found on the mountain ridge of Israel. I don't know
24:19
Speaker 2: how a fishing sink got there, but this this is
24:23
Speaker 2: really an interesting finding and I had to plut the
24:27
Speaker 2: honor of being part of the team that that initiated
24:31
Speaker 2: this this tablet. I do want to say that that,
24:34
Speaker 2: you know, while researching this tablet, I got to a
24:37
Speaker 2: very interesting insight. The name of God y h W,
24:41
Speaker 2: as it's written in the ancient script, is basically a
24:45
Speaker 2: man standing with his hands in the air. And then
24:49
Speaker 2: you have two letters, the youth and the and the
24:52
Speaker 2: thevove on both sides of the person standing with his
24:55
Speaker 2: hands in the air. And that gave me an idea
24:58
Speaker 2: that I think is a revolutionary idea. One of the
25:02
Speaker 2: most ancient customs in the Jewish synagogue is the priestly blessing.
25:08
Speaker 2: The Cohens the senates of Aaron. They blessed the congregation
25:13
Speaker 2: every morning, and when they stand in front of the congregation,
25:17
Speaker 2: they bless the priestly blessing as they stand like this.
25:21
Speaker 2: Now our viewers might recognize this from Star Trek, and
25:26
Speaker 2: this is indeed something that Leonard Nimoy brought to the
25:30
Speaker 2: Star Trek series. But he brought it from synagogue.
25:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was Jewish.
25:35
Speaker 2: He was Jewish, and he describes how he noticed that
25:38
Speaker 2: ceremony and how he brought that to Star trek that
25:41
Speaker 2: became livelong and prospering. So I always ask myself, where
25:45
Speaker 2: does it come from this tradition of standing like this
25:48
Speaker 2: and blessing the congregation. And now after seeing how God's
25:52
Speaker 2: name was written during the time of Moses and Aaron
25:55
Speaker 2: and later, I understand that the commandant and to the
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Speaker 2: priests is that they should put God's name over the Israelites.
26:06
Speaker 2: And and so what I understood was that when the
26:08
Speaker 2: israel when the priests are standing like this putting God's name,
26:13
Speaker 2: literally putting God's name on the congregation, because they're standing
26:17
Speaker 2: there doing the letter hey, which is the middle name,
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Speaker 2: the middle letter, and then the two other letters on
26:23
Speaker 2: both sides. They're literally putting God's name on the congregation
26:28
Speaker 2: as the Bible commands. So this was a big revelation
26:32
Speaker 2: for me.
26:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean it's phenomenal to see all this
26:36
Speaker 1: come together and to see so many of the correlations
26:40
Speaker 1: that happen as we see in the Bible. And so
26:43
Speaker 1: I know there's been a lot of response. Of course,
26:46
Speaker 1: this is the typical world. You publish something and then
26:50
Speaker 1: you you could say, get attacked or you get criticized.
26:53
Speaker 2: It's all the above.
26:54
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna go They're gonna have their opinions. And so
26:57
Speaker 1: it's been a few years now is is there any
27:00
Speaker 1: further updates on this? I know, Well, eventually they got
27:04
Speaker 1: to see what was inside.
27:05
Speaker 2: Telesion major updates. First of all, the peer reviewed article
27:09
Speaker 2: that was written was actually written on the skinscription inside
27:13
Speaker 2: the lead tablet. The scans were basically tomographic scans X
27:18
Speaker 2: ray scans that showed exactly what's inside. And now there
27:24
Speaker 2: is another article that's being written by doctor Peter Vanderven
27:27
Speaker 2: about the inscription on the outside of the tablet, and
27:33
Speaker 2: according to the initial results, it's the same text. In
27:37
Speaker 2: other words, we have two copies of the same text
27:40
Speaker 2: on both sides of the lead strip that was folded. Okay,
27:45
Speaker 2: so this is being written as we speak, and hopefully
27:48
Speaker 2: this was all. This is also going to be published
27:50
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty seven. And what I do want to
27:54
Speaker 2: say is that the major and changes that are happening
28:01
Speaker 2: are not actually happening, not with the tablet and with
28:04
Speaker 2: the final report, which are going to be very important.
28:08
Speaker 2: The changes, the major changes are actually being done by
28:12
Speaker 2: the government of Israel in the past few months and
28:16
Speaker 2: weeks for our list for our viewers. Just so you know,
28:20
Speaker 2: the Altar itself is located in Area B, which is
28:24
Speaker 2: according to the agreement between Israel and the Palestinian authority,
28:29
Speaker 2: is an area that's under Palestinian control. Archaeologically, Israel has
28:36
Speaker 2: made a decision about is to reclaim all the archaeological
28:40
Speaker 2: sites in all the area of Judean sam area. That's huge, yes,
28:44
Speaker 2: it's huge. And the reason for that is because many
28:47
Speaker 2: of these sites were destroyed or dandalized by the Palestinians,
28:53
Speaker 2: and so now Israel is taking over these sites. And
28:57
Speaker 2: at the same time, the Palestinians are t trying to
29:00
Speaker 2: destroy Joshua's Alter. They tried to build a whole village
29:03
Speaker 2: and a new village on top of the Altar and
29:07
Speaker 2: it's surrounding and so Israel immediately took steps to declare
29:11
Speaker 2: large areas of moult ibal as areas that you cannot
29:15
Speaker 2: build on, you cannot change their, their their their situation.
29:20
Speaker 2: And hopefully in the next year or two we will
29:25
Speaker 2: see a site that's going to be built in the area,
29:30
Speaker 2: a tourism site, a national heritage site. And so if
29:35
Speaker 2: we have any any of our viewers that actually came
29:37
Speaker 2: with us to Joshua's Alter. It's just a site that's
29:41
Speaker 2: out there. It's outer. Yes, yes, you don't have any
29:44
Speaker 2: any restrooms, you don't have any air conditioning. You just
29:48
Speaker 2: walk until you get there. And and so hopefully in
29:52
Speaker 2: a in a year or two from now, we're actually
29:55
Speaker 2: going to have a real tourist tourist site there that's
29:59
Speaker 2: going to be able to your people, would be able
30:01
Speaker 2: to have restaurants and and there will even be a
30:04
Speaker 2: tourist trap to buy to buy you know, olive oil
30:08
Speaker 2: and wine. Right, But it's actually going to Israel is
30:11
Speaker 2: actually going to be building a National Heritage Site in
30:14
Speaker 2: that place. And that's for me a dream come true
30:18
Speaker 2: because the site was neglected for so long and it's
30:22
Speaker 2: such an important site for Jews and Christians, and Israel
30:25
Speaker 2: is also establishing a Jewish community on the top of
30:29
Speaker 2: multi ballot oh wow. And that's also going to change
30:32
Speaker 2: the reality on the mountain from a place that was
30:35
Speaker 2: considered you know out there again that maybe even a
30:39
Speaker 2: dangerous place, it's going to become a place where you
30:42
Speaker 2: have a Jewish community and and normal roads to drive to.
30:46
Speaker 2: So all in all, I'm a very happy guy. Does
30:49
Speaker 2: this mean then that the.
30:52
Speaker 1: You know, the the authority, the archaeological authority, that they
30:57
Speaker 1: acknowledged this as being Joshua was alt. Are they just
31:01
Speaker 1: saying it's a possibility, but we're going to defend it anyway,
31:03
Speaker 1: and it obviously has some ancient significance. But are they
31:06
Speaker 1: in agreement? You think is the consensus changing to that
31:09
Speaker 1: they think it is Joshua's Alter.
31:10
Speaker 2: So when Adam Zertel came out with the discovery, at
31:14
Speaker 2: first he was the only professor probably that was courageous
31:18
Speaker 2: enough to say that he found Joshua's Alter. The reactions
31:22
Speaker 2: were that it's you know, it's a watchtower, or it's
31:25
Speaker 2: some sort of an agricultural structure of some sort. But
31:30
Speaker 2: no one really came out with the saying this is
31:34
Speaker 2: an Israelite to worshiping site. Today the situation is totally different.
31:40
Speaker 2: The majority of the archaeologists agree that this is a
31:44
Speaker 2: worshiping site from the settlement period. Okay, but that's as
31:50
Speaker 2: far as they go.
31:51
Speaker 1: They won't necessarily connected to the Bible. They're just acknowledging
31:53
Speaker 1: the facts that obviously they can't argue with. The archaeology
31:56
Speaker 1: from the settlement period. Early worshiping site have this shoshu
32:02
Speaker 1: or not that they probably, like you said, they wouldn't
32:03
Speaker 1: want to put their reputation on that area.
32:05
Speaker 2: I won't even say it's Israelite. You know, of course
32:08
Speaker 2: it is, but they want it. It's too hard for
32:10
Speaker 2: them to say that. But but but the majority agree
32:13
Speaker 2: that this is a worshiping site, and the final report
32:16
Speaker 2: will will prove it without no doubt. I think that
32:21
Speaker 2: what we need to do is to continue the research
32:23
Speaker 2: of the site. I'm connected if we found the if
32:27
Speaker 2: we found the document in ancient Hebrew from the dump
32:32
Speaker 2: there was there was from the altar, I'm pretty sure
32:35
Speaker 2: that we will be able to find more written documents
32:38
Speaker 2: in that.
32:39
Speaker 1: Site as as rather than the dump in the actual
32:42
Speaker 1: site excavation itself.
32:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you think about it. If we had
32:46
Speaker 2: the worshiping site there, then we had priests. We have
32:49
Speaker 2: priesthood situated in the in the in the site. The
32:53
Speaker 2: priests were were literate, they knew how to write and
32:56
Speaker 2: and and they were the ones that were the teachers
32:59
Speaker 2: of the Israelized. They would teach them the Torah, the Bible,
33:03
Speaker 2: the stories of the Exodus and so on, and so
33:06
Speaker 2: there has to be more written material there and the
33:09
Speaker 2: moment we are able to renew excavations and the site,
33:13
Speaker 2: are their plans for that well, definitely, the moment Israel
33:16
Speaker 2: reclaims the site and it's not no longer an area
33:19
Speaker 2: B site that is not under Israeli archaeological supervision, then
33:25
Speaker 2: the sky is the limit.
33:26
Speaker 1: Because how did Zurtal? How was he able to do
33:29
Speaker 1: it before? In the sense obviously he was he in
33:33
Speaker 1: the eighties? Was that before some of the rules and
33:36
Speaker 1: now the rules are going to kind of go back exactly.
33:38
Speaker 2: The turning point is the Oslo ninety three. Before that,
33:43
Speaker 2: the Samari were wonderfull archaeological control of Israel and Adam
33:48
Speaker 2: Zukal received his permit to excavator. From nineteen ninety three
33:53
Speaker 2: till now, Israeli archaeologists could not excavate in large areas
33:59
Speaker 2: in the En Samaria, and that's changing, so you know,
34:03
Speaker 2: hopefully it's not just going to be Joshua's Alter, but
34:06
Speaker 2: many other very important medical sees. Absolutely.
34:09
Speaker 1: Another thing that Adams are tell was working on, which
34:12
Speaker 1: I would love to discuss in our final segment here
34:15
Speaker 1: is really what's known as the footprints, So kind of
34:19
Speaker 1: give us a background. I think I find this extremely fascinating,
34:22
Speaker 1: and also the fact that you you wouldn't really see
34:25
Speaker 1: it unless you were seeing it from the sky, so
34:29
Speaker 1: kind of tell us about that.
34:30
Speaker 2: Okay, So when Adams are tel Is going into the compound,
34:35
Speaker 2: the Holy compound that the Israelites built around Joshua Zolter,
34:40
Speaker 2: he notices that there is a large surrounding wool in
34:45
Speaker 2: that in that compound, and it has a very peculiar
34:49
Speaker 2: shape to it, that that that that is similar to
34:53
Speaker 2: the right foot. And so when Adams a talk continues
34:57
Speaker 2: to map the Jordan Valley and Samaria, he actually finds
35:02
Speaker 2: five more structures that were built by the Israelites, in
35:07
Speaker 2: other words, during the late Bronze early Iron Age period.
35:11
Speaker 2: And these sides, again are have characteristics that repeat themselves.
35:17
Speaker 2: First of all, a foot structure in a wall that
35:23
Speaker 2: is shaped as the right foot inside some sort of
35:28
Speaker 2: an internal division. A sacrificial platform could be an altar,
35:35
Speaker 2: It could be a bama, which is a high ground,
35:39
Speaker 2: a sacrificial high ground, and it also has the slope
35:46
Speaker 2: of a mountain that is adjacent to the structure itself.
35:51
Speaker 2: This would allow hundreds or thousands of people to sit
35:54
Speaker 2: down and watch what was going on in the inside
35:58
Speaker 2: the foot structure. What he also saw was that in
36:02
Speaker 2: some of the structures there's actually part of the world
36:05
Speaker 2: becomes a procession road, so people could actually walk around
36:11
Speaker 2: the structure. This was part of the ceremony that the
36:15
Speaker 2: Israelites conducted there. The question that Adams Rotau asked was
36:20
Speaker 2: actually two questions. One, why will the Israelites build these
36:24
Speaker 2: structures in the shape of the foot? And the second
36:27
Speaker 2: question that he asked is do these structures appear in
36:30
Speaker 2: the Bible? Because we're talking about major structures that you
36:35
Speaker 2: needed a lot of energy to build, to invest in,
36:39
Speaker 2: and to bring people in material. And not only that,
36:44
Speaker 2: these structures were in existence for hundreds of years from
36:48
Speaker 2: the early Iron Age till the destruction of the Northern
36:52
Speaker 2: Kingdom in the year seven twenty two, so we're talking
36:54
Speaker 2: about five hundred or six hundred years of existence. So
36:59
Speaker 2: there has to be some sort of of of mention
37:01
Speaker 2: of it in the Bible. And so why why a
37:04
Speaker 2: shape of the foot? Adamser Tao thinks that the reason
37:09
Speaker 2: is very clear when you look at the Bible and
37:11
Speaker 2: you see Versus saying wherever you will put your foot,
37:15
Speaker 2: your foot will be yours, from the Lebanon to the
37:18
Speaker 2: desert and so on. This is the I would say,
37:22
Speaker 2: the the ewo Jima flag of the Israelites. This belongs
37:26
Speaker 2: to us, This belongs to God. And the verses in
37:30
Speaker 2: the Bible are saying that the foot, the shape of
37:32
Speaker 2: the foot, is a symbol of conquest. It's a symbol
37:36
Speaker 2: of control. And I urge all our viewers to open
37:40
Speaker 2: the Book of Joshua and the Book of Geronomy. You
37:42
Speaker 2: will see those verses using that symbol, the symbol of
37:45
Speaker 2: the foot. The question, the other question is why where
37:50
Speaker 2: does it appear in the Bible. And Adams Ertel had
37:53
Speaker 2: a theory. He opened the Bible. He looked for worshiping
37:56
Speaker 2: sites that the Israelites are worshiping in during the time
38:00
Speaker 2: of Joshua, Judges, and Samuel, and he sees one word
38:05
Speaker 2: repeating itself, gil Gal. I always thought that Gilgal was
38:10
Speaker 2: a name of a place near Jericho where the Israelites
38:13
Speaker 2: convened and then conquered Jericho from. But when you look
38:16
Speaker 2: at the Bible, you see that Gilgal appears in several
38:20
Speaker 2: distinct areas in the land of Israel. And when Adams
38:23
Speaker 2: Reuteal looked for these gil gals. He saw that there's
38:26
Speaker 2: a gilgal, according to the Bible, on the border between
38:30
Speaker 2: the tribe of Judah and Benjamin. And so he said,
38:34
Speaker 2: if I'm right, if these foot shaped structures are indeed
38:39
Speaker 2: gil gals, then I will find a structure like that
38:44
Speaker 2: on the border between Judah and Benjamin near malay Adomin.
38:47
Speaker 2: And he did something that he never did before. He
38:50
Speaker 2: looked at a satellite footage on his computer, zoomed in
38:54
Speaker 2: and zoomed out, and guess what, He actually found the
38:59
Speaker 2: sixth structure in twenty thirteen by trying to prove his
39:06
Speaker 2: theory that these are indeed the biblical gilgals. And so
39:10
Speaker 2: Adams Ratael wrote a book about this. It's called The
39:13
Speaker 2: Footsteps of God. And the amazing discovery of these structures
39:18
Speaker 2: is detailed very well in that book. And actually people
39:24
Speaker 2: ask about Jerusalem. What about Jerusalem? Jrusalm was a holy
39:29
Speaker 2: city at the time of King David was established later
39:33
Speaker 2: on during in the town of kin Solomon. So are
39:37
Speaker 2: we able to see any connection between Jerusalem and the
39:40
Speaker 2: food structure? And when you look at pictures of Jerusalem
39:44
Speaker 2: in the First Temple period, it looks like the footprint structure.
39:49
Speaker 2: So this was a wow moment every time Adams Retel
39:52
Speaker 2: spoke about it with groups. And you know, just to finish,
39:57
Speaker 2: I did some research on the food structures myself to
40:01
Speaker 2: try and understand why they are oriented the way they are.
40:06
Speaker 2: And after visiting them several times, I looked at the
40:11
Speaker 2: three food structures at the Jordan Valley and I looked
40:15
Speaker 2: at the food structure on Mount Ebal. The four of
40:18
Speaker 2: them are all facing the same direction, generally east eastward,
40:24
Speaker 2: but specifically facing the Jaybok Pass, the area of the
40:29
Speaker 2: Jabok Pass. And my theory is that at that time
40:34
Speaker 2: the Israelites revered that area because of two stories. One
40:39
Speaker 2: of the story of Jacob fighting the angel. Jacob came
40:45
Speaker 2: into the land from exile. The name was changed from
40:49
Speaker 2: Jacob to Israel, and for the Israelites coming into the
40:53
Speaker 2: land of Israel, that was important because they were a nation.
40:57
Speaker 2: They came from exile into the land of Israel. They
41:00
Speaker 2: were repeating the footsteps of Jacob. And another important event
41:07
Speaker 2: that is happening in that area specifically is the miracle
41:11
Speaker 2: of the stopping of the water of the Jordan River.
41:14
Speaker 2: Were read in the Bible that the Israelites crossed the
41:17
Speaker 2: Jordan River and there was a miracle and the water stopped.
41:21
Speaker 2: The Bible states very clearly that the water did not
41:24
Speaker 2: stop in Jericho, it stopped near the city of Adam,
41:28
Speaker 2: which is right by the Jaybook Pass. So the Israelites,
41:32
Speaker 2: upon entering the land, revered both these events, and when
41:38
Speaker 2: they built their worshiping sites, the worshiping sites faced that direction.
41:43
Speaker 1: How has the archaeological community or in even the state
41:47
Speaker 1: of Israel, have they embraced the footprints? And because I know,
41:54
Speaker 1: I think we were there, I've been there a couple times,
41:56
Speaker 1: but is are they investing any resources into making those
42:01
Speaker 1: available for tourists as well?
42:02
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, not like Joshua's alter, I think that this discovery
42:08
Speaker 2: is still under the radar for many Israelis and also
42:12
Speaker 2: for the the government officials. But I do see it
42:17
Speaker 2: coming in the future, because truly, when you visit, for example,
42:22
Speaker 2: when you visit the argamand food structure, overwhelmed by its size,
42:28
Speaker 2: by the condition of its preservation, so obvious too.
42:31
Speaker 1: You can go up, you can just walk up on
42:33
Speaker 1: the hill and you can see it's so obvious.
42:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's it's enormous. It's magnificent, and I
42:39
Speaker 2: think that eventually these sites will become National Heritage sites.
42:44
Speaker 2: But our viewers need to understand Israel has so many
42:48
Speaker 2: ancient sides, and not just from the Israelite period, from
42:51
Speaker 2: all the periods that you know, and many of them
42:55
Speaker 2: are important that need to be preserved and accessed by tourists.
43:00
Speaker 2: So you know this will take time. But you know
43:03
Speaker 2: these sites waited for three thousand, three hundred years. They'll
43:07
Speaker 2: wait a few more years until they're ready to me
43:11
Speaker 2: this whole.
43:14
Speaker 1: As you said, there's so many how do you get
43:16
Speaker 1: it all? And I feel bad for the Israeli government
43:18
Speaker 1: because this is the nature of truth and the nature
43:22
Speaker 1: of living in a land that again is very biblical
43:24
Speaker 1: and historical. You just can't get to all of it.
43:27
Speaker 1: And so four listeners once again tell them a little
43:30
Speaker 1: bit about how to follow your work. And then also
43:32
Speaker 1: again you know, we have many trips planned, Lord Willing
43:35
Speaker 1: in the future, as many as we can, and so
43:38
Speaker 1: kind of tell the audience where they can find out
43:40
Speaker 1: more information about.
43:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, lovely, So, first of all, we have three
43:45
Speaker 2: books that we publish by Professor Adams Ratau about his
43:50
Speaker 2: discovery so Joshua's Alter, the book called The Nation Born,
43:55
Speaker 2: the Footsteps of God about the footsteps structures that he discovered.
43:59
Speaker 2: Another book interesting book about his excavation of the city
44:04
Speaker 2: of josh Tagoim, which is identified with the Canaanite general
44:12
Speaker 2: Cicera that was killed by Yael in the Bible. So
44:16
Speaker 2: these are three books. We also have four Bible teachings,
44:19
Speaker 2: half our Bible teachings about different sites in Israel, Joshua's Alter,
44:23
Speaker 2: the Footstep Structures Ancient Shiloh where the tabernacle was for
44:28
Speaker 2: four hundred years, and a very exciting teaching called the
44:32
Speaker 2: Gate of Heaven about the site of Jacob's dream of
44:35
Speaker 2: the Latter at Bethel. So these are also available from
44:38
Speaker 2: Prophecy Watchers and people can purchase those. And we also offer,
44:44
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, the tours to Israel. So if our
44:49
Speaker 2: viewers would like to get more information on future tours
44:53
Speaker 2: Prophecy Watchers tours, they are invited to visit visit Israel
44:58
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45:02
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45:05
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45:11
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45:17
Speaker 2: archaeological discoveries, so people are more than welcome to follow
45:21
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45:22
Speaker 1: It's always been good to reach out to Aaron when
45:25
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45:28
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45:31
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45:33
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45:37
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Speaker 1: to keep you informed of all that's happening in the
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Speaker 1: Land of Israel, as well as showing that the Bible
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Speaker 1: is God's word. It's true, we can trust it. So
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