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Tarik Skubal Stays Sensational, Saves Detroit's Weekend · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory par The
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Speaker 1: Foul Territory No Work, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren
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Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always as a man who loves brunch.
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Speaker 1: He loves baseball. But does he love brunch baseball? He's
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Speaker 1: about to tell us right now he is Cody Stavinaggan.
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Speaker 1: How you doing?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 3: Doing good? Care? And here's here's how I always feel
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Speaker 3: about these early games.
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Speaker 2: Sucks.
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Speaker 3: King up in the morning feels great. When the game's over,
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Speaker 3: you actually have at least a little bit of a day,
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Speaker 3: So I feel okay about it. I think if I
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Speaker 3: were just a viewer at home, though, I wouldn't necessarily
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Speaker 3: want to be turning on the game at eleven thirty.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's done that on the West Coast a
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Speaker 3: few times in my life, Like you're watching football at
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Speaker 3: like nine am. It's just very strange.
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Speaker 1: I can say this as a viewer, as someone in
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Speaker 1: the central time zone. I loved it. I didn't have
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Speaker 1: to wait around. I didn't have to wait around to
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Speaker 1: watch the game, So for me personally, I'm a fan.
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Speaker 1: And also, no blackouts, you know, free streaming easy, you know,
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Speaker 1: not the greatest like experience in terms of that product,
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Speaker 1: like the little glitches every now and then, but that's okay.
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Speaker 1: I actually like it's a little innovation and it's perfect
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Speaker 1: Sunday kickoff and by the way, perfect leadoff for a
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Speaker 1: day of baseball. Near perfect, actually, if you want to
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Speaker 1: be technical, Tek Schooble, Like, there's a couple of things here.
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Speaker 1: Number one, we talked a lot about this season, the
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Speaker 1: Tigers kind of losing on games right before we record,
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Speaker 1: and it kind of like changes the vibe a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Now we have the opposite. Now we have the opposite.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of a throwback for us Cody in the
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Speaker 1: sense that we used to cover series losses and the
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Speaker 1: Tigers will win the Sunday game and it'd be some
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Speaker 1: sort of noteworthy pitching performance and it would kind of
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Speaker 1: kill the vibe a little bit. From the weekend. We'll
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Speaker 1: get to the weekend stuff a little bit later, but
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Speaker 1: the story of the day of the league of the
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Speaker 1: weekend is one Trek Schoogle, who had himself a complete
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Speaker 1: game first time of his career. Nine to anty's pitch,
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Speaker 1: only two hits, thirteen k's in less than one hundred pitches.
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Speaker 1: One of the finest pitching performances that I have ever watched,
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Speaker 1: And like, we don't have we can do some analysis,
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Speaker 1: but the bottom line is, man, is this guy special? Man?
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Speaker 1: Is this guy special? Cody Man is special? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: That was one of those games where you kind of
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Speaker 3: zoom out a little bit and you're like, Wow, what
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Speaker 3: a pleasure to be watching this guy perform at the
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Speaker 3: highest level. What a moment in time. This is With pitching,
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Speaker 3: longevity is always a little bit tough to predict, right,
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Speaker 3: So is he a future Hall of Famer? Is he
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Speaker 3: one of the best of all time? That that'll be
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Speaker 3: harder to answer. But I think even if his career
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Speaker 3: ended tomorrow, you know, we would say, man, that was
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Speaker 3: a dominant stretch of baseball that we were lucky to watch,
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Speaker 3: the type of thing you will be talking about for generations.
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Speaker 3: You know, you got to watch very Lander, you got
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Speaker 3: to watch Trek Schouoble in his prime.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think let's not worry too much about what the
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Speaker 3: future holds today. Let's let's appreciate what we just watched
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Speaker 3: two weeks ago, where like, is this the best Terrek
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Speaker 3: schoobl Start ever? Well, I think we have a new
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Speaker 3: number one, I think we just saw that today. Thirteen
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Speaker 3: punch outs ninety four pitches. How do you get thirteen
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Speaker 3: punch outs on ninety four pitches? Literally the best maddox
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Speaker 3: in baseball history in terms of most strikeouts and under
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Speaker 3: one hundred pitches. Amazing.
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Speaker 1: So, like a couple of emotions were kind of going
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Speaker 1: through through me watching this game. Number One, you know,
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Speaker 1: Cody and I were hanging out last weekend, Still Water, Oklahoma,
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Speaker 1: my parents were up to and my dad like made
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Speaker 1: mentioned that it was like, Oh, it's so cool that
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Speaker 1: you guys got Trek schooball on your podcast. Like he
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Speaker 1: mentioned that all the time. He thinks it's the coolest
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Speaker 1: thing on the planet that like his son and his
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Speaker 1: son's best friend got like Trek Scouble on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: He mentions all the time. So like, I'm thinking of
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Speaker 1: my dad during that moment too, that like like he
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Speaker 1: that's why probably one of one of his prouder moments,
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Speaker 1: if I were to guess, he brings it up all
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Speaker 1: the time. So I think that's cool. Number Two, in
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Speaker 1: terms of schoolbl speaking of emotions in fatherhood, that was
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Speaker 1: also like a theme today they talked about on the
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Speaker 1: Roku broadcast. Obviously, Dan Dickerson being on there makes it
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Speaker 1: a better experience, and you see his son there, see
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Speaker 1: his wife there, and like, this was a game that
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Speaker 1: was allowed to stand on itself. So what do I
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Speaker 1: mean by that? The series was not in question, nor
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Speaker 1: were the Tigers going for a sweep. So in a way,
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Speaker 1: this was kind of like a standalone schoolble moment, and
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Speaker 1: I think it kind of makes it a little bit
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Speaker 1: more precious, Like there there was just there was just
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Speaker 1: it was just him. There wasn't any sort of outside
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Speaker 1: like stuff that that fans were really worrying about. It
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Speaker 1: just it was just a schoolbol day. We can kind
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Speaker 1: of forget about the three game losing streak there for
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Speaker 1: a second and just appreciate what he's done, what he
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Speaker 1: was doing, And in a way that makes it a
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Speaker 1: little bit more proetic for me. Obviously, it would have
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Speaker 1: preferred to get a series win or a sweep or whatever,
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Speaker 1: but it was just schooble day. That's it, no series,
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Speaker 1: no sweep, nothing Tiger's fan perspective, and so it was
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Speaker 1: allowed to stand on his face and I thought that
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Speaker 1: was actually kind of special. I thought that was pretty special.
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Speaker 1: And then his emotion him getting emotional during and afterward
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Speaker 1: again for a game that in late May doesn't have
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Speaker 1: the Tigers you know, are doing okay record wise, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, It doesn't have that much meaning.
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Speaker 1: But he was emotional as if he had pitched a
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Speaker 1: no hit or slash perfect game. He was emotional as
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Speaker 1: if they had, you know, clinched to the division championship
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Speaker 1: or gotten to the playoffs. Like it was. It felt
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Speaker 1: bigger than it actually was in the newspaper standings, you
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Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, And that to me was also
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Speaker 1: special about what we witnessed.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's why I would kind of disagree with the
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Speaker 3: idea that this start existed in a silo or a vacuum.
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Speaker 3: And the Tigers it's May, but they kind of needed
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Speaker 3: to win today. I mean, they had had I think
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Speaker 3: this series was the low point of their season so far.
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Speaker 3: They kind of got just straight up outplayed three days
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Speaker 3: in a row by division rival. The opponent grinded out
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Speaker 3: more at bats, the opponent has a superior bullpen at
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Speaker 3: least in terms of this series, I would argue Aj Hinch.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we'll talk about it a little bit. One
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Speaker 3: of his stranger managerial series I think maybe in his
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Speaker 3: whole tenure, some of that's just a function of a
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Speaker 3: roster that was tired and depleted a little bit. But
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Speaker 3: it was a bad three days for the Tigers, and
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Speaker 3: we've talked about, you know, these rolls are going to happen,
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Speaker 3: and maybe this is one of them. Maybe this is
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Speaker 3: the Tigers slowing down a little bit. You know what
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Speaker 3: really would have slowed him down getting straight up swept
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Speaker 3: by the Guardians. This is their first time seeing them
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Speaker 3: since the Alds, Trek Scooble's first time seeing them since
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Speaker 3: the Alds. I think there was a little more context here.
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Speaker 3: None of the players were gonna say it. Terrek Scuoble
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Speaker 3: downplayed the idea that this was some sort of retribution
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Speaker 3: for the Lane Thomas Grand Slam. But the Tigers kind
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Speaker 3: of needed a win, kind of need to get a
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Speaker 3: little bit of a swagger back. There's no better way
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Speaker 3: to do that than to throw your ace on the
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Speaker 3: mound and get an absolute vintage prime level performance from
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Speaker 3: Trek Scooble.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So like what you said, I agree with,
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Speaker 1: But I also think they didn't necessarily need the best
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Speaker 1: start of Schoobl's career, especially when you end up winning
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Speaker 1: five nothing so like, especially once the games in hand,
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Speaker 1: you start kind of looking at the macro and appreciating
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Speaker 1: the schooble essence a little bit more than avoiding a
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Speaker 1: four game losing streak for the first time this season,
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Speaker 1: avoiding getting swept by the Guardians. Like, the schoobl stuff
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Speaker 1: was just bigger than all of that stuff today in
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Speaker 1: my opinion. But the aspect of getting to win, getting
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here. Yeah, So I would say
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Speaker 1: strange series from aj Hinch and really off the jump
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Speaker 1: in terms of how he had to kind of talk
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Speaker 1: about his roster when when you guys are are asking
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Speaker 1: him questions, Because when I saw the lineup on Friday,
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Speaker 1: I was like I almost like messaged you, but I
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Speaker 1: was like, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe like maybe, like
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm tired, it's a you know, been a
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Speaker 1: week at work and we just had a late night podcast,
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Speaker 1: Like maybe I'm just not seeing things straight. And then
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Speaker 1: I see everybody else comment and then I see he
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Speaker 1: commented on it. I was like, no, no, no, I'm not nuts.
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Speaker 1: I'm not nuts. This is an oddly configure lineup, one
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Speaker 1: that if you wanted to be cynical, you would say uninspiring.
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Speaker 1: And you know, trying to get a game back after
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Speaker 1: dropping one seven to nothing the previous day. He's like
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Speaker 1: all these things like going through my mind, and then
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Speaker 1: you also have like having to use all these arms
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Speaker 1: and and and all this stuff and then but it ends,
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Speaker 1: of course Schooble, the magical lickser of everything AJ Hitch
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to make, but like, what two decisions over
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Speaker 1: the course of a game because of School's a great performance.
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Speaker 1: But still it was one of those things I felt
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Speaker 1: like he was having to kind of I guess I
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Speaker 1: would phrase it. He was having to discuss things in
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Speaker 1: a way that had to be pretty pointed, but also
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Speaker 1: not throwing his guys under the bus, especially with like
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Speaker 1: Ruthers and scoring position B one seventy six over the
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Speaker 1: course of his series, like having to answer questions about
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Speaker 1: his offense and then answer questions about out guys that
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Speaker 1: are hurting but not injured, and then you know, like
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Speaker 1: balancing all that. So it was it was a weekend
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Speaker 1: for AJ that he had to talk about things in
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Speaker 1: a way that he had not had to this season.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Friday lineup was obviously really weird to the point,
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Speaker 3: you know, we had to ask a few questions about it,
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Speaker 3: and I figured there was some sort of rhyme or reason,
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Speaker 3: and there was. It was that it sounds like Riley
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Speaker 3: Green and Zach McKinstry were both running on fumes. I'm
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Speaker 3: still a little surprised they both got, you know, the
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Speaker 3: day off the same day with a right hander on
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Speaker 3: the mound. It was a reverse splits right hander in
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Speaker 3: Slade Secconi, but it was still a right handed pitcher that,
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Speaker 3: you know, I think both of them would have matched
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Speaker 3: up well against. I think that speaks to like how
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Speaker 3: exhausted these two guys must have been. And AJ's comments
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Speaker 3: were pretty pointed regarding Riley said, he's always on the
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Speaker 3: verge of something, which is not necessarily what you want
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Speaker 3: to hear about, arguably your you know, franchise player at
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Speaker 3: least position player wise, But adds up with Riley's history
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Speaker 3: and just kind of watching him, the uncomfortability we've seen
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Speaker 3: in his movements and the fact he's literally running slower
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Speaker 3: than before, like he is h he's battling some stuff
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Speaker 3: we don't know exactly what that stuff is. Talking to
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Speaker 3: Riley said, he feels fine. He continues to be really
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Speaker 3: diligent with his sleep and his routines, but the ages
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Speaker 3: and pains of a baseball season are getting to him.
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Speaker 1: Riley needed a day.
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Speaker 3: Sounds like McKinstry. I think he had battled a flu
12:32
Speaker 3: bug that had gone around the clubhouse. He was in
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Speaker 3: a similar boat. So that led to Andy a Banyas
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Speaker 3: starting at third against a righty when the day you
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Speaker 3: activated Matt Vierling. But Verling didn't start because he was
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Speaker 3: coming off a plane from Florida, which did kind of
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Speaker 3: make me think, well, why why activate Vierling if he's
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Speaker 3: going to start? You know, I don't know, like I
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Speaker 3: think that's somewhat of a fair question. Now they demoted
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Speaker 3: shunk On, who had thrown twenty five pitches. He wasn't
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Speaker 3: going to be available anyway, but maybe it's a circumstance. Well,
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Speaker 3: we know the Tigers aren't above bringing a guy up
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Speaker 3: for one day and then sending him back down. You know,
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Speaker 3: if you need a body, I think you have a
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Speaker 3: few options there in TRIPLEA. So I just thought that
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Speaker 3: was strange. But talking to Aj a little bit did
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Speaker 3: come to understand it. Even secone, you know, he worked
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Speaker 3: glove side a lot. They thought Andy could kind of
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Speaker 3: handle those pitches. It didn't work out that way. So
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Speaker 3: it was just it was just a weird lineup. And
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Speaker 3: then I think Saturday was really more pressing because Brendan
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Speaker 3: hannefe entered a game in extra innings. Brendan handefy left
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Speaker 3: handed batters have an OPS above one thousand against him
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Speaker 3: this season and even dating the last year, well above
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Speaker 3: eight hundred for his career in Cleveland. You know, heavy
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Speaker 3: left handed lineup, and sure enough he got kind of
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Speaker 3: rocked around there an extra inning. The Tigers did they
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Speaker 3: have a better option, didn't they? They had already used Kanelee,
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Speaker 3: they had already used Vest, but Vest had thrown eleven pitches.
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Speaker 3: I think the simplest solution would have been run well,
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Speaker 3: Vest back out there. Then you do risk burning Vest
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Speaker 3: for Sunday. I'm sure that was part of the calculus. Really,
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Speaker 3: the more the broader point, and maybe this goes to
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Speaker 3: Scott Harris more than aj Hinch. Why did you option
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Speaker 3: Sean Gumther, a left handed pitcher in a series against
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Speaker 3: a heavy left handed lineup. You knew you weren't gonna
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Speaker 3: have them for Friday, but probably could have used them
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Speaker 3: Saturday and maybe Sunday. You know, you don't know for
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Speaker 3: sure that Derek Scoople's gonna throw a complete game. You know,
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Speaker 3: they kind of needed I guess Chase Lee Friday, but
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Speaker 3: probably could have got by without them. If you're gonna
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Speaker 3: option the pitcher, I'm surprised it was Gunther in this
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Speaker 3: particular series. You know, we'll see what the matchups look
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Speaker 3: like against the Giants. You don't want a bunch of
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Speaker 3: guys stuck in the option cycle. But that's still f
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Speaker 3: well to me, like a strange move that did indeed
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Speaker 3: come back to bite them Saturday for sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like one of the things that I would
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Speaker 1: add to that is that when when we kind of
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Speaker 1: plan out what this like Sunday going into Monday podcast
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Speaker 1: will be, it's obviously gonna be very heavy on the
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Speaker 1: weekend series and the schoolbol stuff. Like I said, kind
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Speaker 1: of wiped a lot of that emotional response to what
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Speaker 1: we saw. But the bottom line is this did feel
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Speaker 1: like a very juggled series, like juggling, juggling the veer
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Speaker 1: ling stuff, juggling, like you know, the arms and and
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Speaker 1: the and and and like and again unknown to us
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Speaker 1: health or aches, pains, sicknesses, you know that kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: It did not feel like. And until today they look
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Speaker 1: like kind of a tired team. They like they they
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Speaker 1: looked like a team that was on fumes. Like you
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Speaker 1: would have thought that Torklosen's home run on Friday would
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Speaker 1: have been something that would kind of like giving them
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Speaker 1: an emotional like gear kick up, and it just it
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Speaker 1: just didn't happen. Like Friday and Saturday late slash extra endings.
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Speaker 1: You're like, like, you're when you lose games like that,
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Speaker 1: that's an emotional toll, but it kind of is also
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Speaker 1: somewhat of a result of being an emotional Fumes coming in,
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Speaker 1: so like they looked like a team that kind of
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Speaker 1: needed like two days off to be honest, And then
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Speaker 1: you think, like, okay, well, nope, the series goes to
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Speaker 1: the end of the week and then you're gonna have,
16:39
Speaker 1: you know, a day game on Monday, not the most
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Speaker 1: common thing because of the holidays. So like you start
16:44
Speaker 1: kind of going through all these scenarios and Schooble kind
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Speaker 1: of puts that aside for a day. But it did,
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Speaker 1: it did it did seem like a team that just
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Speaker 1: like were they like again, one of the things you
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Speaker 1: kind of go through mentally is like did they are
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Speaker 1: are they too out front? They've had too many kind
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Speaker 1: of things roll their way, and now like some serious
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Speaker 1: like regression has happened. I'm not necessarily even talking about
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Speaker 1: statistical regression, but regression of like the output you're getting
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Speaker 1: from a McKinstry and again not necessarily statistical, but like
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Speaker 1: the emotional. And then again he's part of the Sunday
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Speaker 1: storyline with the home run Alpha Lefty and then we
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Speaker 1: again we forget about it for a day, but I
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Speaker 1: was I was very concerned coming into coming into Sunday
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Speaker 1: about like what this team would look like. You know, again,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily the win lost part of it, but what
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Speaker 1: are they gonna look like? And now it seems like
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Speaker 1: they played Tigers baseball today to win the game. It wasn't.
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Speaker 1: You didn't have to do much offensively when Scogle goes
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Speaker 1: nine and blanks them, but you still had a couple
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Speaker 1: of key he hits there that Andy a Baiya is
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Speaker 1: part of it. He gets an RBI hit. You take
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Speaker 1: advantage of errors on the other team, you're aggressive on
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Speaker 1: the base patch, like all the ingredients of what we
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Speaker 1: consider like a classic Tigers win. We're here, but we're
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Speaker 1: not going to talk about it as much because of
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Speaker 1: how spectacular School was. But it did. This did seem
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Speaker 1: like kind of like a back to who we are
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Speaker 1: day for the Tigers.
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Speaker 3: Funny you mentioned Andy A Banya is another weird moment
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Speaker 3: in this series. Kiaran Saturday, seventh inning, two outs, nobody on,
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Speaker 3: AJ pinch hits Andy for Carry, Carpenter three to two lead.
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Speaker 3: I think the impetus is you get, you know, a
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Speaker 3: favorable matchup, even though it's two outs, nobody on, and
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Speaker 3: you switch to a better defense. Andy goes to third,
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Speaker 3: McKinstry went to the outfield. Carry was out of the game,
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Speaker 3: but AJ is normally pretty cognizant of saving Andy or
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Speaker 3: whoever the top option off the benches for and at
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Speaker 3: bat when it matters most. That game ends up going
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Speaker 3: to extras and rather than the carry Carpenter class a rematch,
18:56
Speaker 3: you get Andy against Emmanuel Klasse. He got hit by
18:58
Speaker 3: a pitch, but would have been nice to have Kerry
19:01
Speaker 3: Carpenter in that spot. I think with the defensive component,
19:04
Speaker 3: it makes sense. You can talk yourself into it, but
19:07
Speaker 3: another bit, a little bit of a strange move, and
19:12
Speaker 3: we can kind of parlay that into a bigger conversation.
19:14
Speaker 3: I think about Andy A. Banya is because you know,
19:18
Speaker 3: we talked about him against a right hander and you
19:20
Speaker 3: weren't necessarily fired up, but then he does come through
19:22
Speaker 3: with a pretty big moment in the Sunday game. I
19:25
Speaker 3: guess that's just the question right now, because I think
19:27
Speaker 3: I've seen it a little bit on social media. How
19:30
Speaker 3: do we feel about Andy Obanya's.
19:35
Speaker 1: So I went through this. I did. I wouldn't call
19:38
Speaker 1: it like a deep dive, but I did like a
19:40
Speaker 1: medium sized dive after this game to to try to
19:44
Speaker 1: get like what I think is like reconcile what I'm feeling,
19:50
Speaker 1: and then kind of like what is the next thing?
19:53
Speaker 1: So how I feel is that Andy A Banyas is okay,
19:57
Speaker 1: Like like he's not spectacular, we're not seeing the the
20:02
Speaker 1: Banyas bonds, you know, stuff against left handed pitching, but
20:06
Speaker 1: he seems like okay, And then you know you value
20:08
Speaker 1: the defensive versatility. So it's like, all right, we we
20:11
Speaker 1: gotta get rid of Andy of bias. Let's just say
20:13
Speaker 1: like he's unplayable. Well, what what are the options?
20:17
Speaker 4: Like?
20:17
Speaker 1: That's that was That was the first thing I get
20:19
Speaker 1: to because my my big, my big thing is if
20:22
Speaker 1: you want X, then we you have to be prepared
20:24
Speaker 1: for why so like, so, what what? What's the why here?
20:28
Speaker 1: The why here is maybe you start the how you
20:31
Speaker 1: lead party. He's hitting two forty one in triple A
20:35
Speaker 1: against lefties, Okay, like he obviously an infielder, but he
20:39
Speaker 1: has no outfield versatility. How however much that plays into
20:42
Speaker 1: the factor you make you make note of it, all right,
20:45
Speaker 1: you want Andrew Navagado total total in triple A. He's
20:52
Speaker 1: hitting one against lefties, just for the record. I you
20:59
Speaker 1: want to do the Ryan experience again. Nope, that gives
21:02
Speaker 1: you the defensive versatility. But we've we've seen, I think
21:06
Speaker 1: enough at the major leagues what that looks like at
21:08
Speaker 1: the plate. The one that was kind of interesting was
21:13
Speaker 1: Jami Jones.
21:14
Speaker 3: Jamai Jones. What happened to my my guy.
21:16
Speaker 1: Jami Jami Jones, who has a track record of infield
21:21
Speaker 1: outfield versatility defensively, but I went and looked it up. Well,
21:24
Speaker 1: first of all, he said, in two thirty eight against lefties,
21:26
Speaker 1: so okay, two of those are home runs though, so
21:31
Speaker 1: you know, forever that's worth. He hasn't played in the
21:35
Speaker 1: infield in Toledo this year outside of like one game
21:37
Speaker 1: at second base, so they're not using it. Like, they're
21:41
Speaker 1: not using him in a way like could this be
21:43
Speaker 1: somebody that we like, let's just say a Bayyas got hurt.
21:46
Speaker 1: Not gonna wish that he gets hurt or he gets
21:48
Speaker 1: cut or anything like that, but let's just say he
21:50
Speaker 1: got hurt. You needed, you wanted to bring in someone
21:52
Speaker 1: that you thought could feel like a silver void defensively,
21:55
Speaker 1: they're just not prepared for that with Jones, see what
21:58
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So the options are not that great, or
22:03
Speaker 1: you could argue non existent because we didn't even bring
22:06
Speaker 1: in the forty men element to some of this stuff,
22:08
Speaker 1: Like like Andy A. Banyas is still hidden in the
22:12
Speaker 1: mid two fifties against lefties. So it's not like he's
22:17
Speaker 1: unplayable against lefties. It's just not popping and it and
22:22
Speaker 1: it feels like the bigger moments he's not coming through
22:25
Speaker 1: in those situations where he gets the pinch hit opportunity
22:28
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I think, like optically and emotionally,
22:33
Speaker 1: like how you feel about it, is worse than what
22:35
Speaker 1: the numbers actually dictate. And again, the options that you
22:40
Speaker 1: would have there are I'm not gonna say they're non existent,
22:45
Speaker 1: but they're not really worth flirting with in my opinion.
22:50
Speaker 3: In my opinion, so no, that's easy, Like, let's just
22:54
Speaker 3: look at the numbers, you know, I mean, aj did
22:56
Speaker 3: go in a little like somewhat many anti analytic not
23:00
Speaker 3: anti analytics, but you know, bro, like there's still a
23:03
Speaker 3: human element. We're not getting into any super advanced numbers.
23:06
Speaker 3: When we say India Baniyas has a seven forty one
23:10
Speaker 3: OPS against left handed pitching or entered Sunday with a
23:13
Speaker 3: seven to forty one OPS. That's not exactly Andy Bond's level,
23:17
Speaker 3: but that's like pretty good. That's he is on this roster.
23:21
Speaker 3: Hearan to hit left handed pitching and he is still
23:24
Speaker 3: doing that at a solid level. He also plays plus defense.
23:29
Speaker 3: He's gotten way better at third, Like for what he
23:32
Speaker 3: has asked to do, he is doing it well. I
23:34
Speaker 3: think you wish he were better against righty's because he's
23:38
Speaker 3: pretty bad against righty's five to fourteen OPS this season.
23:44
Speaker 3: But so long as the Tigers are built like this,
23:46
Speaker 3: which they're going to be built like this for the
23:48
Speaker 3: foreseeable future. I think India Banias is just fine. I
23:52
Speaker 3: do think, or at least wonder is it more likely,
23:55
Speaker 3: you know, everyone wants to talk about the trade deadline?
23:57
Speaker 3: Is it more likely the Tigers look too upgrade from
24:00
Speaker 3: Andy Yebanyaz find some sort of right handed platoon guy.
24:05
Speaker 3: Then it is a sexy addition like a Boba Shed
24:10
Speaker 3: or Nolan Ronato or whatever. My gut tells me, Yes,
24:14
Speaker 3: I think if you're gonna get a bat and maybe
24:16
Speaker 3: that's an area you could target, say, can we get someone,
24:19
Speaker 3: you know, with a little more pop, with a little
24:21
Speaker 3: bit more juice than Andy. It's a possibility. Is also
24:28
Speaker 3: likely the Tigers just trust Andy's track record and think
24:30
Speaker 3: it's gonna be hard to upgrade from him when it
24:33
Speaker 3: comes to a guy who can hit left handed pitching.
24:35
Speaker 3: So yeah, like that's how I feel about it. That's
24:39
Speaker 3: how they're built, and uh, he's actually doing okay.
24:44
Speaker 1: So the thing I'll add there is that if you
24:47
Speaker 1: go to the Tigers like team individual stats and you
24:52
Speaker 1: just look at how many hits is who lea's the
24:54
Speaker 1: team and hits against lefties, it's one makes sense given
24:59
Speaker 1: what's having this year Javier Bias to the surprise. Zach
25:02
Speaker 1: McKinstry talked about the home runs, and it's Labor, then
25:06
Speaker 1: it's Torque, and then it's a Bonyez and then it's
25:09
Speaker 1: Jay Hens so so so so even if you like
25:13
Speaker 1: accept the fact that he still has to kind of
25:15
Speaker 1: be on the roster, the next thing is that you
25:20
Speaker 1: have a pinch hit situation against a left handed pitcher,
25:25
Speaker 1: Like the options of guys that you can possibly bring
25:29
Speaker 1: up in that situation is small, right without like making
25:33
Speaker 1: a roster change. So so I think it's fine, is
25:36
Speaker 1: the way I would say it's fine. You trust the
25:39
Speaker 1: track record, it's upgradeable in general, but it's not There
25:45
Speaker 1: are no guarantees in this system behind him that that
25:49
Speaker 1: that you would do. So so that that's the endy
25:51
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25:53
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25:57
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Speaker 1: All right, So coming back here, Cody and I off
27:07
Speaker 1: air I had talked about like potential all stars on
27:12
Speaker 1: this Tigers team, and one of the names that we
27:17
Speaker 1: brought up was, you know, the Dylan Dingler aspect. Dylan
27:20
Speaker 1: Dingler is a one plus war player right now. He
27:23
Speaker 1: obviously handled the brunt of the catching duties with Jake
27:26
Speaker 1: Rogers out, but Jank Rogers is back, and of course
27:29
Speaker 1: his first game back he pitches Trek schoolbl So you
27:33
Speaker 1: kind of think we're in a little bit more business
27:35
Speaker 1: as usual. Not so fast as Lee Corso would say.
27:40
Speaker 1: Dylan Dingler caught Tarrek Schooble today in this sensational spectacular
27:45
Speaker 1: all the words you want to use game that Schooble had.
27:48
Speaker 1: And again one of the other things that Aj had
27:52
Speaker 1: to talk about, it just makes it a weird weekend,
27:55
Speaker 1: you know, talking about these things. Is he proclaimed, like,
27:58
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's going to catch every buddy when it
28:01
Speaker 1: when it can, when it comes to the pitching staff
28:03
Speaker 1: in the catching room. So one of the one of
28:07
Speaker 1: the things that's going to have to be determined here
28:09
Speaker 1: pretty soon is who's going to be the Tigers representative
28:13
Speaker 1: at the catching position on the generic All Star ballot.
28:18
Speaker 1: Right now, it's it's not much of a conversation if
28:22
Speaker 1: a he's a one plus war player and b he's
28:24
Speaker 1: being trusted with your your prize gem of a of
28:28
Speaker 1: a pitcher of Trek Scuogle, Dylan Dingler kind of for
28:32
Speaker 1: all intents and purposes right now kind of feels like
28:36
Speaker 1: catcher number one.
28:38
Speaker 3: He might be, and I have to say I'm surprised,
28:40
Speaker 3: you know, I had said I thought it would be
28:42
Speaker 3: closer to a true split, or even still maybe a
28:45
Speaker 3: little more Jake than Dingler. I definitely thought maybe aj
28:48
Speaker 3: would go kind of by pitcher, have Jake catch his
28:51
Speaker 3: guy Scooble and and maybe catch Job, who Nido had
28:55
Speaker 3: gotten more job starts. But now we've seen Dingler catch
28:58
Speaker 3: Job a couple of times and getting schooball. And I
29:02
Speaker 3: don't know exactly what we're going to base the playing
29:04
Speaker 3: time off of right now, but it seems like Dingler.
29:08
Speaker 3: You know, if it's sixty forty or more one way,
29:11
Speaker 3: it's leaning Dingler's way. And Keeran, You're very right about
29:14
Speaker 3: the All Star ballot. Among American League catchers in Fangraft's War,
29:18
Speaker 3: Dylan Dingler is third. He's trailing only cal Raley and
29:22
Speaker 3: Carlos Nirvaiaz from the Red Sox. He has a legit
29:26
Speaker 3: all Star case if he continues to get playing time
29:28
Speaker 3: and continues to hit the ball like he's been hitting.
29:32
Speaker 3: I don't view any of this as negative. I think
29:34
Speaker 3: right now the Tigers have a very good catching tandem,
29:37
Speaker 3: especially defensively. Jake has one of the better arms as
29:41
Speaker 3: one of the better framers in the league. Dingler has
29:43
Speaker 3: good defensive numbers as one of the very best blockers
29:46
Speaker 3: in the league. You know, we'll see there's always kind
29:49
Speaker 3: of a question about Jake's bat. He probably kind of
29:52
Speaker 3: is what he is at the plate, and maybe we
29:54
Speaker 3: are seeing a little bit of a higher ceiling in Dingler.
29:57
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be surprised if he comes back to Earth in
29:59
Speaker 3: terms of just the kind of the raw counting numbers.
30:02
Speaker 3: But I guess, you know, we say teams tell you
30:05
Speaker 3: what you think, what they think with their actions, and
30:08
Speaker 3: this seems to tell you the Tigers do somewhat prefer
30:11
Speaker 3: Dylan Dingler to Jake Rogers. But I think both are
30:15
Speaker 3: still in very good standing.
30:17
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a j is the ultimate. I'll
30:20
Speaker 1: tell you. I mean he kind of like says it
30:22
Speaker 1: kind of tongue in cheek too, and when he's talking
30:24
Speaker 1: about closers typically closer, is that, like you know, he
30:27
Speaker 1: is the ultimate? Like, yeah, I mean, how I feel
30:30
Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna have to show you, like how
30:32
Speaker 1: you know that's that's exactly uh, that's exactly the case there.
30:37
Speaker 3: And so here in the real person taking a hit
30:40
Speaker 3: here is going to be Trek Scougle. If he wins
30:42
Speaker 3: another sight young, he's gonna have to buy two rolelexes.
30:45
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30:52
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Speaker 1: A little little go fundme action for the second rolex.
30:57
Speaker 3: You know, Uh, Tigers fans seem to like go.
31:01
Speaker 1: I will, I will say, you know, speaking of school
31:03
Speaker 1: I didn't mention this earlier, and I did want to
31:05
Speaker 1: mention it about like just what a different kind of
31:08
Speaker 1: dude he is when he was still perfect. I think
31:12
Speaker 1: it was Noel at the plate he got jammed and
31:15
Speaker 1: broken bat third base ground out, and and the you know,
31:18
Speaker 1: bat came out in a couple of pieces down the
31:20
Speaker 1: third base line. Tiger's dugout is obviously on the third
31:24
Speaker 1: base side, and so the Guardian's bat boy is running
31:29
Speaker 1: out to pick up the pieces, pick up the bat
31:31
Speaker 1: and everything else. School ball again perfect, He's perfect at
31:36
Speaker 1: this point. He still like picks up the little bat
31:39
Speaker 1: pieces and gives them to the bat boy. You know
31:41
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was like those like little things,
31:43
Speaker 1: those like little things I think are like actually kind
31:47
Speaker 1: of speak volumes about the kind of person you are.
31:49
Speaker 1: He didn't have to do that if he didn't know.
31:51
Speaker 3: He didn't. He said he was worried they were like
31:53
Speaker 3: in the radius of the slide at home plate, which
31:55
Speaker 3: I went back and watched the video and they kind
31:57
Speaker 3: of weren't. They're kind of off to the side. But
31:59
Speaker 3: you know, you don't want pieces of wood laying on
32:01
Speaker 3: the ground. You're right proapsoteric Scooble, because I think if
32:04
Speaker 3: I were the best pitcher on Earth throwing a perfect game,
32:07
Speaker 3: I would have picked those up and said, I got you,
32:09
Speaker 3: I got pieces of your mind right here, you know,
32:12
Speaker 3: and I would have walked off the field with him.
32:15
Speaker 3: Terrek didn't do that. He was a good Samaritan and
32:17
Speaker 3: cleaned up the field handed it to the bat boy.
32:20
Speaker 3: Another thing, Baseball Savant has a good story up on Schooble,
32:24
Speaker 3: and the fact he is literally, by many metrics, pitching
32:28
Speaker 3: even better than last year was kind of a question
32:31
Speaker 3: I had. Well, let's take a look. I knew the
32:33
Speaker 3: velocity was up across the board, fastball change up, He's
32:36
Speaker 3: thrown harder than ever, the strikeout to walk ratio even
32:40
Speaker 3: better than it was last season. We had talked to
32:42
Speaker 3: you when he had the fifty to one stint. But
32:45
Speaker 3: not only is it good, it's one pace to be
32:47
Speaker 3: the best strikeout to walk ratio in Major league history
32:52
Speaker 3: among qualifying pitchers, thirteen point one four. So we'll see
32:57
Speaker 3: if he can continue that. Getting more whiffs on the
33:00
Speaker 3: change up than ever. He's putting more of his pitches
33:03
Speaker 3: on the edges of the strike zone rather than the middle.
33:06
Speaker 3: That something a J. Hinch kind of talks about a lot.
33:09
Speaker 3: There's reason to believe he is actually pitching at a
33:12
Speaker 3: higher level than he was even off last season.
33:16
Speaker 1: Scary Terry, scary Arry. You know, they need more be said.
33:20
Speaker 1: Uh real quick, just light little know here as we
33:24
Speaker 1: wrap up labor, Torres looks like he's okay. Last time
33:28
Speaker 1: we talked, you know, like that was a potentially you know,
33:31
Speaker 1: scary situation. Uh there. But not only is he okay,
33:35
Speaker 1: but the man is dialed in at the plate.
33:38
Speaker 3: He can hit the ball, he can take his walks.
33:41
Speaker 3: He is starting to scare me on the bases though.
33:42
Speaker 3: We're starting to see something that Yankees flavor on the base.
33:45
Speaker 1: There was a moments I was like, man, they lose
33:47
Speaker 1: this game, I'm about to like rip this thing apart
33:51
Speaker 1: when he almost got double up there with what you're
33:53
Speaker 1: referring to here on Sunday and he like slides to
33:56
Speaker 1: the outside the bag head first. It's a forest, bro Like,
34:00
Speaker 1: just get to the bag shortest point short, two points
34:04
Speaker 1: a straight line. You don't gotta you don't gotta veer
34:06
Speaker 1: it all. It's gonna be okay. But but yeah, the
34:08
Speaker 1: man style. Then at the plate, he was the only
34:10
Speaker 1: reason that the Saturday's game, I want to say, the
34:13
Speaker 1: only reason obviously, but he made Saturday's game look like,
34:16
Speaker 1: you know, had a fighting chance there, which they did
34:18
Speaker 1: because he got a hold of one the center field.
34:21
Speaker 1: So so yeah, feels good to have him all these
34:24
Speaker 1: all this chaos around the team, you still feel good.
34:27
Speaker 1: And that was one of the things that went well,
34:29
Speaker 1: is that no injury for Glabor Torres so far, and
34:32
Speaker 1: feels good to put him there number two in the lineup.
34:34
Speaker 1: I'm sure for aj Hinch. All right, Cody, anything else
34:38
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