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Tammy Hembrow Has A 'Whole' Boyfriend · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Sophie Torber. I'm Kate Torber. And I'm Amy Torber.
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  Speaker 1: And coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembrough declares she
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  Speaker 1: has a boyfriend. Victoria Beckham publicly addresses her feud with
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  Speaker 1: her son. Harry and Meghan's whirlwind visit to Australia. And
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  Speaker 1: is it time to bring back the distinction between influencers
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  Speaker 1: and celebrities? But first, Laura Henshaw and her husband Dalton
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  Speaker 1: have sold their Brighton mansion for at least $ 8. 5 million.
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  Speaker 1: Last month, they privately listed their home through White Fox
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  Speaker 1: Real Estate. However, it didn't take long for the media
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  Speaker 1: to reveal who the house's famous owners were. And it
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  Speaker 1: didn't take long for the property to sell either. It
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  Speaker 1: was only on the market for 12 days. In terms
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  Speaker 1: of the selling price, the home was listed between $ 8. 5
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  Speaker 1: and $ 9.
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  Speaker 2: 1 million.
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  Speaker 1: Now, while the price is yet to be revealed, Laura
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  Speaker 1: and Dalton's agent confirmed to media that the home was
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  Speaker 1: sold within the advertised price.
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  Speaker 2: So they at least got $ 8. 5 million for it, which is.
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  Speaker 1: A pretty good deal considering they purchased the home back
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  Speaker 1: in July 2021 for just $ 4.
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  Speaker 2: 4 million. I say just, but I mean, you're almost
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  Speaker 2: doubling it there.
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  Speaker 1: I've noticed influencers like Laura who really base their brand
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  Speaker 1: on relatability and coming across as very likable, they often
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  Speaker 1: don't show their followers much of their house. Like, They
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  Speaker 1: will put up Instagram stories, but everything is a very
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  Speaker 1: tight shot. So you don't actually see how nice the
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  Speaker 1: place is. There's actually a podcaster I follow that does
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  Speaker 1: that too. And I'm so desperate to see more of
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  Speaker 1: their house that every time they post a reel or
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  Speaker 1: a story, I'm like pausing it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm zooming in. I'm screenshotting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh. I swear that that was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of those fridges that has the ice blocks that
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  Speaker 1: come out of it. Like that's obviously the sign that
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  Speaker 1: you're rich. In their defense, I think it's because tall
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  Speaker 1: poppy syndrome is so rife in Australia. And I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of influencers don't want to necessarily look like
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  Speaker 1: they're showing off. I mean, it's kind of the opposite
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  Speaker 1: of influencers like Georgie Stevenson who want you to know
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  Speaker 1: how wealthy they are and want you to know how
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  Speaker 1: successful they are so they can sell manifestation courses to you.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're trying to sell a.
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  Speaker 1: Brand of being relatable and You don't want people at
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  Speaker 1: home to know that your house shits all over theirs
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  Speaker 1: and is 10 times better than it. On that, is
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  Speaker 1: anyone else surprised by Steph Clare Smith's house? Because she
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  Speaker 1: sold her mansion that was this brand new home and
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  Speaker 1: she moved into this quite large property. It's big enough
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  Speaker 1: to have horses on it. And she often shows off
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  Speaker 1: the fields and it looks very grand. However, the house
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  Speaker 1: wasn't modern. So they've decided to renovate their shed and
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  Speaker 1: essentially move into that while they bulldoze the rest of
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  Speaker 1: it and build what I'm assuming will be some sort
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  Speaker 1: of palatial mansion on it. And while the actual renovations
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  Speaker 1: are nice, I'm thinking, hang on, you're listed on the
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  Speaker 1: AFR young rich list as, you know, worth nearly $ 50 million.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon it must be a pretty nice shed that
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  Speaker 1: they're living in. I think that maybe that it's not
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  Speaker 1: actually a shed and it's more of a granny flat situation.
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  Speaker 1: The said shed's probably bigger than my whole house, but
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and it looks nice and everything, but it
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  Speaker 1: just surprises me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that Laura will address her house sale
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  Speaker 1: on their podcast?
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  Speaker 2: Only if there's backlash.
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  Speaker 1: They only seem to like addressing things when they can
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  Speaker 1: get really angry about it. I would hate to know
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  Speaker 1: how many disclaimers were around it. Yeah, that's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: imagining her almost apologizing for her success, which is actually
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  Speaker 1: quite sad because if she was a male business owner,
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  Speaker 1: she wouldn't have to do any of this.
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  Speaker 2: She'd just own it. Whatever you feel like confessing, something
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  Speaker 2: you get off your chest, it can be literally anything.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough has confirmed she has a boyfriend. She excitedly
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  Speaker 1: confessed the news on White Fox Boutique's After Hours podcast
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  Speaker 1: while she was in the US for Coachella.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen. I have a whole boyfriend. Oh
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  Speaker 2: my God, that's huge news, Miss Tammy.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Are you so happy?
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  Speaker 3: I am.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you look really happy. I am so happy, like so,
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  Speaker 2: so happy. Oh, I'm excited for you. Wow, the tea
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  Speaker 2: has been spilled. We won't go too far into the details.
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  Speaker 2: We'll leave people wanting more.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, that boyfriend is, of course, 23-year-old Sydney-based model
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  Speaker 1: Grayson T. Moana, who she hard-launched on the red carpet
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  Speaker 1: at the Wuthering Heights premiere in Sydney back in February.
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  Speaker 1: What I want to know is, what does she mean
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  Speaker 1: by a whole boyfriend? Like, did she have half a
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend last time? I feel like maybe it was a
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  Speaker 1: cutesy way of saying, I have a boyfriend, like a
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  Speaker 1: real-life boyfriend. It seemed, and I feel mean to Tammy
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  Speaker 1: saying this, but it seemed kind of juvenile the way she's.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I have a whole boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I couldn't help but roll my eyes only because
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  Speaker 1: I just knew. The reception that she was going to
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  Speaker 1: get in the comment section with people being like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to last two seconds. I almost felt
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  Speaker 1: like the reference to him being a whole boyfriend was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like this Freudian.
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  Speaker 2: Slip that, you know, he is over age. Like he
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  Speaker 2: isn't an adult.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an interesting choice of words considering she
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  Speaker 1: has been criticized for dating a younger man. I'm desperate
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  Speaker 1: for Tammy to find someone nice and for her to
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  Speaker 1: be happy. That's why I find it so difficult to
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  Speaker 1: watch this relationship play out because it.
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  Speaker 2: Feels like you're watching a car crash. And I can
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  Speaker 2: just foresee the fallout that is going to happen when
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  Speaker 2: this relationship ends.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that Tammy's got to be careful about is
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  Speaker 1: if things go sour with Grayson, he may spill his guts.
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  Speaker 1: I could imagine him jumping on a podcast. We've said before,
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  Speaker 1: we think he's in this relationship for clout. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But the difference between.
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  Speaker 1: This relationship and her relationship with Matt Sikowsky is it
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  Speaker 1: seems like no one really cares. Like it's kind of like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen this before, some young guy that is not
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  Speaker 1: going to end well with. The difference with Matt was
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  Speaker 1: that he actually had a profile himself. And then the
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  Speaker 1: way that they were moving so quickly with, you know,
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  Speaker 1: quickly getting engaged and, you know, there were dramas that
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  Speaker 1: were unfolding. There was lots for us to get invested with.
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  Speaker 1: But with this relationship so far, I'm not invested. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just rolling my eyes.
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  Speaker 2: It's because it just seems like a rebound.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's actually taking the relationship seriously. I
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  Speaker 1: just want to know what Amy and Emily think about
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  Speaker 1: this because they were so vocal about their distaste towards
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  Speaker 1: Tammy's husband, Matt Sikowsky.
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  Speaker 2: Surely they can't be a fan of Grayson.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually disappointed that Grayson doesn't have his own podcast
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  Speaker 1: like Matt Sikowsky because I would love for him to
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  Speaker 1: interview them like Matt did and then to share.
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  Speaker 2: What they really think.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the sisters are going for a different approach this
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  Speaker 1: time because with Matt, it didn't actually work them being
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  Speaker 1: quite mean to him. They still ended up getting married.
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  Speaker 1: It was a disaster for Tammy. So maybe they think
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  Speaker 1: if we pretend that we like this guy... Maybe Tammy
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  Speaker 1: will work it out for herself. Emily Hembrough does have
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  Speaker 1: her own podcast now. So at least there is an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity for her maybe to invite Tammy on the show
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  Speaker 1: and grill her and show her distaste towards this guy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she'd platform Grayson on there, but I
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  Speaker 1: would love to hear what he has to say because
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  Speaker 1: I'm not ultra impressed by the videos he posts or
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  Speaker 1: the photos.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, to be fair. We haven't heard much
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  Speaker 2: from him.
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  Speaker 1: He might be a nice guy, but, I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: picture that's been painted by his ex-girlfriend who he allegedly
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  Speaker 1: was still with when he started dating Tammy, it really
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  Speaker 1: hasn't made us like him. No, I mean, there's red
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  Speaker 1: flags all over this guy. It seems like Tammy has
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  Speaker 1: left the door open for Grayson to start making an
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  Speaker 1: appearance across her social media by, you know, declaring that
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  Speaker 1: she has a boyfriend now. Well, it seems like that's
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  Speaker 1: already happening because over the weekend, Tammy posted a photo
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  Speaker 1: dump from her appearance at Channel 9's fundraising telephone. So
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  Speaker 1: she was manning the phones and Grayson was there with her.
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  Speaker 1: So she posted this mirror selfie and she was standing
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  Speaker 1: in front of the makeup chair at Channel 9 and
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  Speaker 1: Grayson was sitting in the background on the chair. So
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  Speaker 1: His head was to the back of the mirror. However,
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  Speaker 1: there was a mirror opposite him and it was almost
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  Speaker 1: like he was craning his neck.
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  Speaker 2: So his face.
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  Speaker 1: Appeared in that mirror because he knew it would be
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  Speaker 1: reflected into the photo. Yeah, that is desperation at its finest,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it? And it is just such an ick, if anything.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a good guy would be trying to
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  Speaker 1: avoid being in the background and just wanting to keep
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  Speaker 1: a low profile and not wanting to be seen. You
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  Speaker 1: can see what his intentions are when he does things
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  Speaker 1: like that. Has anyone else noticed that since Tammy's gone
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  Speaker 1: public with Grayson that Matt Sikowsky seems to be amping
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  Speaker 1: up the content about how much happier he is now?
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like he's trying to cling on to that
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  Speaker 1: 15 seconds of fame thing.
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  Speaker 2: Or that fame adjacency he had with Tammy. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: hang on, I'm still legally her husband.
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  Speaker 1: You can sense that he knows that his notoriety is
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  Speaker 1: waning and he's trying to re-inject himself into that storyline.
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  Speaker 1: If anything, this whole new relationship makes me like Matt
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  Speaker 1: Zukowski more. He seems like such a catch compared to Grayson.
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  Speaker 2: Like he just seems like a nice, normal guy and
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  Speaker 2: he's gotten really fit recently. He posted this TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: It was a comparison shot with last year when he
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  Speaker 1: was with Tammy looking really miserable and And then it
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  Speaker 1: was what he looks like now. And his face was
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  Speaker 1: all chiseled. He's looking amazing. His eyes looked a lot
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  Speaker 1: brighter in the second one. It was almost like he
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  Speaker 1: was rejuvenated from within. Now, he has been making a
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  Speaker 1: few thinly veiled swipes at Tammy over the last week.
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  Speaker 1: So he shared his top five horror movies. And in
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  Speaker 1: second place, he wrote September 2023 to February 2025. Now,
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  Speaker 1: for those not following, that is the timeframe he was
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  Speaker 1: with Tammy. It's interesting because he's finally revealed what month
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  Speaker 1: they broke up, which was only two months after they
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  Speaker 1: got married. So it must have been right after that
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  Speaker 1: Australian open fight that we spoke about back in 2025.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if he is ever going to spill the
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  Speaker 1: tea because I noticed there was someone who commented on
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  Speaker 1: one of his recent TikToks saying, please, we need to
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  Speaker 1: know what happened. And he love hearted it. So you
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  Speaker 1: never know. I mean, I think it's probably coming at
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  Speaker 1: some point. I almost feel like in order for it
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  Speaker 1: to have had more impact, he needed to do it
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  Speaker 1: sooner when he was more in the zeitgeist because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Tammy's moved on. Everyone's sort of moved their attention away
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  Speaker 1: to this new relationship.
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  Speaker 3: To be honest, like just because I have followers doesn't
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  Speaker 3: make me any better than anybody else, truly.
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  Speaker 1: US content creator, Pia Kyrgios has called out a fellow
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  Speaker 1: influencer for taking herself too seriously. Both women were invited
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  Speaker 1: to attend Rhodes event at Coachella, but behave very differently
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  Speaker 1: when Hailey Bieber arrived.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all, I was at an event with other influencers and
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  Speaker 3: I was freaking out, okay? Because I saw Hailey Bieber.
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  Speaker 3: Hailey motherfucking Bieber.
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  Speaker 2: She was right there.
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  Speaker 3: I literally could touch her. And I was freaking out, okay?
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  Speaker 3: I was pulling out my phone recorder. Tell me why
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  Speaker 3: this influencer next to me. She goes, girl, relax. Like,
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  Speaker 3: you're acting like a fan. We need to act like
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  Speaker 3: our place.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 3: This is the problem these days, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like.
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  Speaker 3: influencers think they're celebrities. Let's bring back the distinction between
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  Speaker 3: a celebrity and.
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  Speaker 2: An influencer, please.
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  Speaker 3: Because what do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Is it wrong that I agree with the influencer who
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  Speaker 1: told Pia to chill out? Because if I was lucky
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  Speaker 1: enough to be in a room with someone that I
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  Speaker 1: really admired- I wouldn't want to go up and fangirl
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  Speaker 1: them because I'd want to act as if I'm on
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  Speaker 1: a level playing field to them because then I'm more
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  Speaker 1: likely to be able to befriend them in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you come up to someone and start kissing
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  Speaker 1: their feet and freaking out and screaming at them, that
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  Speaker 1: would make.
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  Speaker 2: Them feel super uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: I think Pia had a point though when she said
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  Speaker 1: that she's no better than anyone else just because she
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  Speaker 1: films herself on her iPhone and she was acting her
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  Speaker 1: place in the sense that she is a fan of
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  Speaker 1: Hailey Bieber. And to put it into perspective, for those
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  Speaker 1: who don't follow Pia, she has over 1.5 million followers
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok and around half a million on Instagram. So
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  Speaker 1: she's not just some micro-influencer. Yeah, but that's the whole
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  Speaker 1: difficulty with the influencer world at the moment. It's so
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  Speaker 1: oversaturated that one person walking down the street could have
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  Speaker 1: a million followers and you'll have no clue.
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  Speaker 2: As to who they are. Oh, I totally agree.
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  Speaker 1: There are definitely different tiers of influencers, but I would
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  Speaker 1: say an influencer moves up into that celebrity tier. when
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  Speaker 1: they're recognized away from social media and they're known by
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  Speaker 1: the mainstream media. I also think another element is if
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  Speaker 1: they live the life of a celebrity in terms of
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  Speaker 1: their wealth and getting followed around by paparazzi. So I
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  Speaker 1: would say influencers who have moved into that celebrity category
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  Speaker 1: are Molly May, Alex Earl, James Charles, you know, people
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  Speaker 1: like that who are they've gone.
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  Speaker 2: Up a tier.
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  Speaker 1: I just think there's different categories of celebrities as well,
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  Speaker 1: whether you're an A-lister, whether you're an it girl.
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  Speaker 2: At the moment, Hailey.
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  Speaker 1: Bieber is the it girl, particularly because Justin Bieber has
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  Speaker 1: just played at Coachella and obviously because of the success
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  Speaker 1: of Road. I think that a lot of people, even
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  Speaker 1: if they're in the public eye, seem a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word beneath her, but
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  Speaker 1: they probably would be excited to be in the same
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  Speaker 1: room as her. But I would say Hailey Bieber and
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  Speaker 1: Molly Mae aren't that too dissimilar in terms of fame. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Hailey Bieber is an A-lister in the US. Molly Mae
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  Speaker 1: would be an A-lister in the UK. I think people
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  Speaker 1: really denigrate this term influencer, but she is massive there.
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  Speaker 2: She's had her own doco. She literally sells out everything.
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  Speaker 1: When she broke up with Tommy Fury, the publicity was
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  Speaker 1: compared to that of Prince Charles and Princess Diana. So
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  Speaker 1: while I think someone like Molly Mae probably would fangirl
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  Speaker 1: Hailey Bieber in the sense that she wouldn't see herself
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  Speaker 1: in the same standing as Hailey Bieber because she's quite self-denigrating,
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  Speaker 1: I actually think that they are quite equally matched.
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  Speaker 2: I have to disagree.
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  Speaker 1: I think that Molly May is really well known in
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  Speaker 1: the UK and Australia because of Love Island being played here,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think that she's on the international level
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  Speaker 1: that Hayley Bieber is on.
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  Speaker 2: No, but that's not what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is if Molly May was there at
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  Speaker 1: Hayley Bieber's road event, I don't think she would be
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  Speaker 1: going like, oh my God, I'm so scared to talk
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  Speaker 1: to her and screaming with her phone, would she?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely don't think that she would.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's smart enough not to do that and
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  Speaker 1: more socially aware. I just think from a networking perspective,
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  Speaker 1: If you're an influencer and you've been handpicked and invited
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  Speaker 1: to one of these events, you really shouldn't be losing
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  Speaker 1: your mind at whoever's headlining it because you've been invited
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  Speaker 1: for a reason. That being said, though, I also don't
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  Speaker 1: think that you should be arrogant and, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: be like, hey, babe, to Hailey Bieber. I think you
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  Speaker 1: should still speak to the person with respect and remember
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  Speaker 1: that they're headlining the event.
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  Speaker 2: They're an international celebrity. you are a guest attending.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think ultimately it was just cringe that
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  Speaker 1: the influencer told her to act her place.
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  Speaker 2: Like no one wants to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Pia was probably being a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a pick me by saying, oh, I'm definitely not in
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  Speaker 1: her level. Like it was a very popular message for
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  Speaker 1: her to share with her followers.
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  Speaker 2: I'm famous for my, for a smoky eye.
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  Speaker 1: Mainstream media are reporting that Victoria Beckham has broken her
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  Speaker 1: silence on her estrangement from her son, Brooklyn. The reality
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  Speaker 1: is not as dramatic as the headline makes out though, Kate.
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell us what's actually gone on?
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  Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately for.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Those of us wanting more insight into the family drama,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Victoria has not dished the dirt on her son. She has, however,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: publicly addressed the feud for the first time in an
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: interview with the And her comments come three months after
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn's six-page Instagram statement where he accused his parents of
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: trying to ruin his marriage and putting brand Beckham before
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: anything else. Now, when asked about her estrangement from her son,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Victoria avoided referring to Brooklyn by name and said, we
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: love our children so much. We've always tried to be
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: the best parents that we can be. And you know,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: we've been in the public eye for more than 30
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: years right now, And all we've ever tried to do
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: is protect our children and love our children. And you know,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: that's all I really want to say about it. So
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: she really didn't say much except for the fact that
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: they love their children. So reading between the lines, she's saying,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: we love our children. We've done everything we can to
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: protect them. I wonder if that's a bit of a
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: pot shot at Nicola. And we've tried to be the
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: best parents that we can be. Yeah.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: And it's not our fault that our son's acting out
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: like this. Like a spoiled brat.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Now, in terms of this feature in the Wall Street Journal,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: it was largely focused on her fashion and beauty brand.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: So she was asked if the negative press had affected
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: her brand and she said no. There are also a
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: couple of other quotes that you could read into. So
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: she said, being a parent of young adult children and
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: adult children, gosh, I mean, it's very different from having
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: little children. She then said, I think we're trying to
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: do the best we can. She also made a comment
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: that when she gave birth to Brooklyn, who was her
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: first son, She was 24 and almost a child herself.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: So I wondered if this was a bit of a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: nod towards the fact that Brooklyn's only 27 and maybe
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: he doesn't really know what he's doing at the moment
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: because he's only a kid. I think she was very
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: intentional about the words that she used in this interview
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and she would have spoken to her PR team in
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: depth before taking part in this interview and how her
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: words could come across and maybe explain the way that
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: she could still come across as being polite about him,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: but sort of trying to point out things to the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: general public.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this interview from.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Victoria really isn't dramatically out of character for Brand Beckham.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: They are all about extreme image control. What it has signalled, though,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: is this notable shift in how they're dealing with the
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: family dramas. So rather than tackling this issue with silence,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: which is how they usually deal with the early stages
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: of dramas like this, They're now dealing with it with
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: very controlled commentary. And what Victoria's statement has done is
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: formally acknowledge that there is an issue, even if she's
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: been vague about what's going on behind the scenes. Yeah,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it makes sense to change tack
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: because in this instance, it really has been taken out
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: of their hands because Brooklyn has gone public with this information.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: So they can no longer pretend that it's not happening
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and that it's all just rumours. I also wonder if
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: they've chosen to acknowledge it considering they have a lot
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: of public support. Because when this all broke, I think
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn was expecting everyone to go, oh my God, the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Beckhams are horrible.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: We're team Brooklyn.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: But the reception definitely has been pro the Beckhams. Yeah.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And I think they're also at this point where silence
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: can no longer control the narrative. It's a bit like
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: what we're seeing happen with the royal family. I mean,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: they've always gone by that motto, never complain, never explain. However,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that is no longer working anymore, particularly in this social
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: media world that we're living in where anyone.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Can put out public commentary.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And I think she's done a good job with her
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: statement because she didn't go out there and bash Brooklyn
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: or address the allegations. She didn't go into too much detail,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: but the statement would have pulled on the heartstrings of parents.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: To me, it feels like a bit of damage control
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: as well. She's trying to repair Brand Beckham and she's
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: doing so by sort of tiptoeing around the issue whilst
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: reiterating that she loves her child. And she may be
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: hoping that Brooklyn hears her comments because her and David
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: seem pretty keen to get Brooklyn back in the family.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: They've posted a few things for his birthday. Maybe they're
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: hoping he sees the commentary and gets in touch.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's a bit earnest.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I think this is all about repairing Brand Beckham, particularly
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: because this all blew up after Brooklyn asked Victoria to
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: stop talking about him publicly and posting about him on
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: social media. he definitely doesn't want to appear on her
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: social media. So I don't think this has anything to
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: do with trying to patch things up with him. I
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: think that would be going on behind the scenes. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: think it's a bit of both. I definitely think that
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: they want to repair Bran Beckham, but ultimately they want
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: their son back. And this is their only way of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: being able to reach out to him. He's blocked them
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. Presumably he's probably blocked their phone numbers and
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: their emails as well. This is their way of trying
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to speak to him through the media, which is so sad.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: The timing is also really interesting because the article came
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: out on Thursday and Victoria celebrated her 52nd birthday on Friday.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Side note, I can't believe it's been two years since
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: her 50th. And it seemed like David was working in
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: overdrive for the fact that Victoria wouldn't be receiving a
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: birthday message from Brooklyn. So he wrote, happy birthday to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the one and only Posh Spice. We love you so
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: much and we'll make sure you have the most special
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: day as the best wife, mum, friend, and of course,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: gym partner you deserve too.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Happy birthday. We love you.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: That's the sad thing about birthdays because so many people
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: in your life will go out of their way to
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: do lovely things for you. But Often it's the people
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: who don't contact you that you notice more and can
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: be really heartbreaking. There's always that thing that people say
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: they cry on their birthday and it's probably because of
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the people who haven't reached out or it reminds you
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of the people that aren't in your life anymore.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Every day for 10 years, I've been bullied and attacked
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: and I was the most trolled person in the entire world.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Man or woman.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: I'm still here. And so when I think of all
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: of you and what you're experiencing, I think so much
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: of that is... Having to realise that, you know, that industry,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: that billion dollar industry that is completely anchored and predicated
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: on cruelty to get clicks, that's not going to change.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle received a rock star reception
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: when they jetted into Australia last week for a whirlwind
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: four day visit. The often divisive couple appeared to win
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: over the public with reports suggesting Buckingham Palace's worst fears
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: may be coming true. Now, so very early on, Harry
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and Meghan's team shot down suggestions that this was a
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: royal tour. Yeah, in the lead up to Harry and
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Meghan touching down in Australia, their team was adamant this
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: was not.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: A royal tour.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: And they were technically right because when they were last
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: here in 2018, they were hosted by the federal government
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: and they also embarked on a 16-day tour filled with
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: 76 engagements. This time around, there was no police escort
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: waiting for them when they got off their commercial Qantas flight.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and they did not stay at government-owned residence. And that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: is because Harry and Meghan are, of course, no longer
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: working royals, so they are not entitled to any of
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that treatment. So did the government pay for any of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: their security? Because I've heard a lot of complaints about, oh,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: why is the Australian government covering for them? Some taxpayer
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: money did go into security for them, but that's what
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: happens when any major celebrity comes to Australia.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, so all the boomers can calm down.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Now, Harry and Meghan were visiting Australia as private citizens
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: for a mix of commercial and charitable commitments, and they
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: packed a lot into.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Their four-day trip.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: So Harry gave a keynote speech at the InterEdge Summit, which,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: side note, I want to point out, he didn't actually
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: get paid for. The money went to charity, while Meghan
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: headlined her Best Life's Women's Retreat, which ended up costing
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: $ 2, 000 to $ 3, 000 for a ticket. It's not clear how
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: much money she got paid for that. Megan also made
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: a cameo appearance on MasterChef Australia, presumably as a bit
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of cross promotion.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: For her jam.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I'm actually committing to MasterChef this year. Before Sunday's launch episode,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: my husband and I are like, are we going to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: do it? Is this the year we actually watch it properly?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Because I used to love it back in the day.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And part of the reason why I want to watch
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it is to see Megan on it. And I also
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: want to know what's going on with these influencers because
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: there were these photos that dropped of Sophie Keisha, Lily
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Brown and Jet Kenny and a bunch of other influencers
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: on set with Meghan Markle.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Like what is going on? Yeah, it looks like they're contestants.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're doing a Celebrity MasterChef
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: If they are, I would actually commit to tuning in
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Getting back to Harry and Meghan's itinerary, they also visited
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne as well as a
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: mental health program at Swinburne University. Harry was also at
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a Movember event with the Western Bulldogs where he rubbed
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: shoulders alongside a couple of influencers, including Steph Glessmith and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Laura Henshaw, as well as Dr.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Golley.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Golley was posting everywhere about this event. I mean, he
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: was in good company there, wasn't he?
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I heard that journalists weren't allowed to film or take
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: notes when Harry spoke at this event. That's why I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: don't know how Dr. Golley was allowed to film. Is
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it like, oh, you're a doctor, that's fine.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: You're not a journalist. He's a doctor. It's fine. He
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: can do whatever he wants.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: It's a weird way to tackle the event from a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: media perspective because wouldn't that mean that he would be
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: quite badly misquoted? Because I heard a journalist speaking on
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Mamma Mia and she was retelling what he said in
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: his own words. And I was like, isn't that really
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: just like space for.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: It to be misinterpreted and people to add on their
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: own spiel?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that because they're no longer royals, they
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: wanted to speak freely. and get really vulnerable with the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: audiences there. And I don't think that they wanted certain
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: things quoted in the media, which I understand. Some of
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the images that really stood out to me on this
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: royal tour that's not really a royal tour is when
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan met with the Bondi shooting survivors. Yeah,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I saw them posing alongside a lot of the lifeguards
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and it just looked so Australian. I think that those
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: photos would have gone all over the world and it
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: was really touching to see them there speaking with the survivors.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, as you say, Kate, this definitely was a
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: royal tour. I mean, Harry also visited the Australian War Memorial.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: They sailed on the Sydney Harbour with Invictus veterans. They
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: were there putting their best foot forward. This had all
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of the touches of a royal tour, but without the titles.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: It's quite interesting because before the couple landed in Australia,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the media coverage was fairly negative about the trip. Publications
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: accused them of trying to monetise their royal status and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: They raised concerns, Kate, as you touched on before, about
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: taxpayer-funded security. And no one quite knew how the Australian
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: public was going to react to the couple and whether
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: we'd see people lining the streets to catch a glimpse
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: of them. Because since 2018, they have been incredibly divisive.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen their tell-all interviews with Oprah, their documentary,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: their autobiographies. They have been very on-the-nose, particularly with boomers.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: But it really seems like all was forgiven on this
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: trip and that they hadn't lost their royal shine.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: They were greeted like absolute rock stars.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: We saw locals gathering in public spaces, hospitals, Bondi Beach,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and even paying enormous amounts of money just to see
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: them speaking at private events. It is funny how quickly
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: people backflip. One second, they're like, I can't stand them.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And then they visit Australia. They give us a little
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: bit of a nod and say, hey, we remember you guys.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: We like it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Down under and it's like, oh my God, they're the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: best people I've ever met. Oh my God, they looked
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: at me and smiled.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people interviewed were saying.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Meghan and Harry, they're just normal, friendly people. I mean,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like we all got caught up in this
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Sussex fever again. I wonder if it's because Australia doesn't
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: get many celebrities. So anytime anyone of notoriety visits here,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: we feel so lucky and thrilled and we just go nuts.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, this just.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Proves the whole reason why the royal family does royal tours.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: It's to actually connect with people and say, hey, we're
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: humans behind this entity. And I think that's what Harry
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and Meghan have done so well. They've gone out into
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the public and said, okay, you have this perception of
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: us that has been created by the media.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: This is actually us. We're just normal people.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: And I think once you really take the mask off
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and get amongst people, that's how you change people's perceptions.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: It's safe to say that the royal family would have
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: been watching this visit very closely because back in 2020
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: during the Sandringham Summit, Harry and Meghan proposed this exact
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: arrangement to the Queen. They wanted this half-in, half-out arrangement
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: where they could split their time between royal duties and
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: private life and essentially make money independently away from the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: royal family. And of course that didn't happen. We had
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Megxit in 2020. However, this Australian trip has really changed
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: things because despite actually not officially being royals, they received
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the royal treatment. I mean, crowds were lining the street.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: They attended charitable events. The only thing that was different
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: was they were actually able to pursue their own commercial
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: projects and make money off this trip. And this trip
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: generated revenue in ways the palace has tried hard to prevent.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: So Sydney Morning Herald journalist Bronte Gosling wrote, Buckingham Palace's
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: fears have come true. Harry and Meghan can have their
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: cake and.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Eat it too.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: In what would have been a further blow to the palace,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Megan launched her latest business venture as soon as they
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: touched down in Australia. So she has launched a profile
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: on AI fashion platform OneOff. So OneOff is a fashion
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: discovery platform, very similar to LTK, where public figures can
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: share details of their outfits with shoppable affiliate links. So
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: not only is she making money off these affiliate links,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: but she is also a new investor in this platform.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: This is a genius move by Megan off the back
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: of this Australian tour because all eyes are on her.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Everyone wants to know what she's wearing and where they
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: can buy it from. And she's giving them that information
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: through this app. And she's making a percentage off the sales. Yeah,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: while she was in Australia, they added seven shoppable looks
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: from her tour. And Megan really lent into Australian-owned brands
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: during the tour. So she championed a lot of local
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: fashion designers, including Karen Gee, St. Agnes, Camilla and Mark
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and Scanlan and Theodore. I was obsessed with her looks
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and I shared this on Instagram and someone questioned me.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Saying, why all of the looks are so basic?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And I answered that listener by saying, well, I guess
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a basic bitch because I just
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: think that everything she wears just looks so clean and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: put together.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's simple.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: But it always looks amazing. The issue is you click
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: on it and go, oh, I probably could afford this.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And then the shirt's like $ 600. Like someone needs to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: post the dupes of the outfit. I really wanted her
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: mama shirt that she was wearing. I reckon we should
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: all buy one and get it and wear it. on
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: our mom's group podcast I didn't like that one I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: thought that was probably her worst look I'm not into
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: graphic t-shirts they remind me of like 2010 I liked
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: how Harry and Meghan were matching in khaki at one
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: point that was from Saint Agni I mean she's clearly
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: making bank off this but she isn't doing anything to
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: mend the bridges between her and the royal family A
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: publication has reported that sources close to the royal family
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: are aghast that Meghan is using her Australian charity stops
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: with Prince Harry to sell clothes. Page Six, which is
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a celebrity gossip section of the New York Post, wrote,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the Queen must be rolling over in her grave over
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Meghan Markle's outfit promotion during charity stops. I personally think
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: it's only fair that Meghan can benefit from what's been
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: dubbed the Meghan effect. I mean, for so long we've
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: heard about how whenever Meghan steps out in something that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that item of clothing instantly sells out. Why can't she
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: profit off it? Particularly because now she's not getting handouts
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: from the royal family. She's having to make.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Her own money.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: She's built her own name as a fashion icon.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Why is it only influencers who can benefit off this?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Why can't she? Look, I don't think she.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Needs the handouts from affiliate links. I understand where the
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: royal family are coming from in that this is just
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: so different to what they're used to. We've never seen
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: someone who is royal adjacent actually making money off their fashion,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: which is ironic considering that the role of.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: The princess essentially is to be a.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Little bit of a clothes horse and stand there and
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: look pretty and wave and not say anything offensive. And
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I actually love that Meghan Markle is making money off
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: this fashion influence that she clearly has.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Like, why not? I think it's absolute genius.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And I also think at the same time, she is
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: giving increased visibility to a lot of brands, particularly local
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: brands through her trip to Australia. I think if Princess
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Diana was living in this era, she would have done
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the same thing once leaving the royal family.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Also, at least she's.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Buying the clothes herself. These aren't clothes bought from taxpayer
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: dollars like Princess Kate's. Well, I don't know if she's
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: necessarily buying the clothes or she's being gifted the clothes
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: by these brands or there's some sort of other arrangement,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, not from taxpayer money. It's
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: funny because as soon as the photo started coming out
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: of Megan on this tour, I was like, I need
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: everything she's wearing. I want to find out where it's from.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: And it's so great that now there is one place
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I can go and shop all of her looks from.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of our time.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Well, that is where we're going to leave things today.
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• 32:12
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• 32:15
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• 32:19
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• 32:24
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• 32:26
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• 32:29
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