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Karlie Guse stepmom admits: I gave the wrong description of my daughter's clothes · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: searching for a sixteen year old girl missing in Monto County,
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  Speaker 1: east of Yosemite National Park. Card goose was last seen
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  Speaker 1: early Saturday morning in Chalfont, about fourteen miles north of
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  Speaker 1: locate her. Carly described to be five seven pounds with
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  Speaker 1: dark blonde hair and blue eye Where is Curly Goosey?
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Gray. So we are
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  Speaker 1: trying to find answers in the disappearance of a gorgeous
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  Speaker 1: young girl, Carly Goosey. We know that investigators have searched
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  Speaker 1: nearby neighborhoods and the desert terrain using helicopters and sent dogs.
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  Speaker 1: They have not found any clue. Listen. She's five ft seven,
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  Speaker 1: about a hundred and fifteen pounds. She has blue eyes
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  Speaker 1: and the cutest little nose and a great smile, and
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  Speaker 1: her hair goes all the way down past her like
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  Speaker 1: do her belly, let's say, mid waste, and she left
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  Speaker 1: in her jeans, um and a T shirt. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: putting out there and just go for it. Everybody help
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  Speaker 1: out of it all right? Thank you? You are hearing
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  Speaker 1: the stepmother of missing Carly Goosey. That is Melissa Goo Say,
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  Speaker 1: begging for help. Carly is missing and joining me right now?
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  Speaker 1: Is that stepmm? Melissa Goo say and the bio dad
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  Speaker 1: of Carly goo Say, Zachary Goo Say, Zachary and Melissa,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for having Thank you Melissa. My first question is this, UM,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that you last saw Carly in bed with
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  Speaker 1: you at around five thirty a M. Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: But I'm sorry for you five Yeah, okay, I've got
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  Speaker 1: five thirty and I've gotten six thirty, but now you're
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  Speaker 1: clarifying it's five now. In your Facebook live, you said
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  Speaker 1: that she was wearing jeans. I think, yeah, I only
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  Speaker 1: said that because she always wears her skinny jeans, so
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  Speaker 1: I just assumed that she had her skinny jeans on?
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  Speaker 1: Would she have worn blue jeans to bed? I have?
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  Speaker 1: I had picked her up and she had her skinny
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  Speaker 1: jeans on. I no, But I mean when you were
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  Speaker 1: in bed with her at five forty five am, did
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  Speaker 1: she still have on her jeans? No? Okay? So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: T shirt and just her underwear. Okay, let me understand
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  Speaker 1: because in the Facebook live trying to get the description
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  Speaker 1: of what she had on the last time you saw
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  Speaker 1: her out there. So in the Facebook last time I
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  Speaker 1: saw her in our home, she only had a T
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  Speaker 1: shirt and her undergarment. Okay. Then that Facebook live that
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  Speaker 1: she blasted out saying look for her and the skinny jeans?
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  Speaker 1: What what are we supposed to do with that? That?
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  Speaker 1: That's not right? Well, yeah, I was in a panic,
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  Speaker 1: and she's not wanted to go out of the house
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  Speaker 1: and sweatpants or hating. Okay, all right, So the last
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  Speaker 1: time you saw her, she was not wearing what was
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  Speaker 1: on the Facebook while she was wearing a T shirt?
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  Speaker 1: And Andy's all right, question, Well, her pjs, the T
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  Speaker 1: shirt was the T shirt found in the home after
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  Speaker 1: she disappeared. No, okay, what was on the T shirt?
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  Speaker 1: What was it? From what I can remember, It was
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  Speaker 1: like a van T shirt or some kind of T
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  Speaker 1: shirt that had a logo on the back and then
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  Speaker 1: the small one over like where your heart is got you?
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  Speaker 1: Was it white blue? What was it? It was like
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  Speaker 1: a white creamish color. Okay, do you know what the
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  Speaker 1: T shirt said? Okay, do you know the colors of
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  Speaker 1: the T shirt? It was like a white creamish and
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  Speaker 1: then the the logo was also very light. Okay, got it.
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  Speaker 1: And that T shirt that she was in bed with
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  Speaker 1: wearing it is not in the home. That tells me
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  Speaker 1: she's still in the T shirt? Yeah, she I could
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  Speaker 1: not find that in the laundry or anywhere. Okay, got it. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what about her skinny jeans? Are they missing? Yeah? I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't even be able to say yes or no because
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  Speaker 1: she has so many clothes. She has like hairs of
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  Speaker 1: skinny jeans and so two different shirts. She has a
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  Speaker 1: lot of clothes. Okay. Regarding the skinny jeans, were they
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  Speaker 1: black or blue? The ones that she had worn the
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  Speaker 1: night before were light blue? Light blue? Are those missing?
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  Speaker 1: The ones she wore the night before? Are they in
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  Speaker 1: the dirty clothes? Where are they? I'm trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out what was she wearing? When she disappeared. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: because the two confirmed neighbors said that she had the
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  Speaker 1: white shirt and gray sweatpants. Okay, are the great sweatpants missing?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, she has so many clues I
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  Speaker 1: can't even Yeah, let me ask you. This her cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: The boyfriend that came over said the cell phone her
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  Speaker 1: cell phone, which I'm surprised you left it behind, but
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  Speaker 1: that the cell phone was by the bed when the
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  Speaker 1: cops got there. The cell phone was on the island
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  Speaker 1: or in the kitchen? Is that part right? No, the
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  Speaker 1: cellphone was in the chicken the whole time. Okay, got it?
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  Speaker 1: Let me think, do you know the code to get
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  Speaker 1: into her cell phone? Yes? Okay? Did you go into
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  Speaker 1: it to find out who she last texted? Yes? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Who was she last speaking to? In what time? I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember the time, but um, I was the last
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  Speaker 1: person I had called her? Yeah, it was eight thirty
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  Speaker 1: the name before because he got home at nine, so
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  Speaker 1: she was in the home at nine pm Friday night? Correct? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: got it? Joining me. Also, in addition to carly Cusa's stepmother, Melissa,
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  Speaker 1: is her biological dad, Zachary Zachary, Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. We have got callers, callers, callers trying to
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  Speaker 1: nail down what happened and what the timeline is. Tell
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  Speaker 1: me what your recollection is, Zachary. Of the night Carly,
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  Speaker 1: your little girl goes missing the night early morning of Well,
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  Speaker 1: what you recall? I assume you went to bed right?
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  Speaker 1: All right? Well I got home just after work. Um,
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  Speaker 1: have you had a drink? Drink a couple of beers? Um?
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  Speaker 1: Melissa and Carly showed up. Uh, Carly was acting enid? Um?
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  Speaker 1: Wh wait what do you mean by that? Why was
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  Speaker 1: she acting paranoid? Yeah, she had acted Well, I want
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  Speaker 1: to go to Zachary, what was she doing to to
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  Speaker 1: saying paranoid? To you? She had admitted to smoking marijuana
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  Speaker 1: and as the reason why I was I went to
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  Speaker 1: go pick her up early. What was she doing that
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  Speaker 1: was acting paranoid to you? Scared? I know? But what
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  Speaker 1: did you observe about her that seemed she was paranoid?
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  Speaker 1: She just she just was acting very nervous and scared
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  Speaker 1: about you know, her phone, about about us being around
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  Speaker 1: her at moments, and then at other moments she changed
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  Speaker 1: and just just you know, say she loves us and
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  Speaker 1: asked us if if she was okay, and of course said,
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  Speaker 1: when you said she was acting nervous and afraid to
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  Speaker 1: be around you, what was she doing to make you
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  Speaker 1: think that? I don't know she was she sloped hot.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what we were wrong with her, I know,
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  Speaker 1: But you're telling me that she told you or told
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  Speaker 1: your wife she had had marijuana. All right, you're saying
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  Speaker 1: she's acting paranoid. What was she doing? Was she pacing
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  Speaker 1: the floor? Was she biting her fingernails? Was she twitching?
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  Speaker 1: Was she crying? Was she anxious? Was she on her phone?
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  Speaker 1: Did she call nine one one? What was she doing
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  Speaker 1: to make you tell me that she was acting paranoid?
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  Speaker 1: Because I've never seen children act paranoida I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what that even looks like for a child. What was
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  Speaker 1: she doing? She was, uh, just staying in a corner, afraid,
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  Speaker 1: afraid of not being safe. Did she say that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she felt like she wasn't safe. Okay, Well, now now
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  Speaker 1: I'm hearing something. After many questions, she said she was afraid.
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  Speaker 1: What was she afraid of? I really wish I knew
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  Speaker 1: so when she said, Dad, I'm afraid, you didn't say
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  Speaker 1: of what are you afraid? What are you afraid of? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I did. I asked her several times, and she said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Melissa, what do you recall? What was
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  Speaker 1: she saying? I'm trying to figure this out so I
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  Speaker 1: can figure out what may have happened to her. What
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  Speaker 1: was she afraid of? Because to me, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: she's too on you guys, she's afraid and then she
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  Speaker 1: goes missing can't be separated. That's important, Melissa. What was
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  Speaker 1: she saying she was afraid of? She kept saying, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I said, what are you afraid of? Your home?
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  Speaker 1: We're safe, and she said and she said, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, while we're here, you're home, you're safe,
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  Speaker 1: It's okay. And then she's just very up and down
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  Speaker 1: with being paranoid, and then the next minute she was
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  Speaker 1: like fine. It was like a roller coaster with her.
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  Speaker 1: And then that's when we said, well, maybe it was
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  Speaker 1: laced for something, but we don't know because nobody's saying anything,
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  Speaker 1: and every says that it was just marijuana. Melissa, did
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  Speaker 1: you video Carly that evening? Yeah? Why? Because I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to show her the next morning how she was acting
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  Speaker 1: and what does the video show? It sas a voice clip.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like a video of anything. Okay, Um, her
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  Speaker 1: talking to me? What was she saying? She was saying
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of things. She wanted me to spend the
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  Speaker 1: night with her. She wanted me to paint her tone nails.
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  Speaker 1: She wanted to keep my tone nails. She wanted to color,
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to read the Bible, she wanted to write.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many things. Okay, that sounds crazy right there. Um,
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  Speaker 1: let me think this through. So where is the video? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Have police saying the video? No? Why did they not
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  Speaker 1: want to see it? Did you say boys? Police? Police? Oh? Police, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I believe they have it because our phones involved in flashed.
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  Speaker 1: I mean did you show it to them? Yes? Good? Good? Good? Um,
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  Speaker 1: let me ask you this was the door locked when
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  Speaker 1: you guys went to sleep that night? Now we don't
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  Speaker 1: lock our house. Was there a yeah? Did did you
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  Speaker 1: guys have a dog? Is there any any way you
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  Speaker 1: would be alerted if there was an intruder? Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: have a dog. She would have started barking and nothing
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  Speaker 1: like that happened. No, okay, you with her? Okay? Now,
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  Speaker 1: then at at five, what happened. Do you say you
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  Speaker 1: saw her the last time at five in the morning
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  Speaker 1: in bed with her? What happened at Yeah? And then
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  Speaker 1: I spelled back to sleep, okay, and then when I
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  Speaker 1: woke back up, it was like seventy she was gone.
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  Speaker 1: So the working theory is between five and seven thirty
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  Speaker 1: she disappears. Are any of her ses missing? Yeah? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask the obvious next question, what she's her?
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  Speaker 1: There's several pairs of her she's missing now, investigators and everything? Right,
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  Speaker 1: she always wears bands, and her one pair of bands
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  Speaker 1: was missing when they went through a closet, So that's
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  Speaker 1: why I believe that she was in her band. Were
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  Speaker 1: those missing that morning? Yeah? Okay. To Robin Willinski, Crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, what do you make of it? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I think that the clothing and the shoes is critical
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  Speaker 1: because the weather in that area of the country at
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  Speaker 1: night is going to be very cold. So did she
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  Speaker 1: leave on foot? Did she indeed have those sneakers on?
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  Speaker 1: Was she barefoot? Did she wander off? Did someone else
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  Speaker 1: come into the house and say, hey, come with me.
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  Speaker 1: I think the clothing is absolutely critical. I think that
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  Speaker 1: any video from any other homes in the area, any
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  Speaker 1: you know, the local stores, you know, a seven eleven,
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  Speaker 1: a gas station. Has she been seen? I think security
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  Speaker 1: tapes really need to be reviewed. But I think it's
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  Speaker 1: critical if someone had on sneakers, or they're leaving barefoot,
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  Speaker 1: or they're in soft I think that the what she
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  Speaker 1: was wearing, there needs to be an inventory done of
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  Speaker 1: her clothing as to really what she was wearing at
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  Speaker 1: the time. I just go, oh, go ahead, Zachary. How
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  Speaker 1: many people in the world war the exact amount of
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  Speaker 1: what clothes their kids have? I have three resting. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't know. I wish I did, Zachary. I can
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  Speaker 1: tell you right now that my son is wearing a
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  Speaker 1: pair of black laceless tennis shoes, and my daughter was
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  Speaker 1: wearing a pair of tan low cut converses. I know
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  Speaker 1: exactly what shoes and what socks they were. But on
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  Speaker 1: the other hand, they're younger, and I laid those clothes
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  Speaker 1: out for them, so I know what they have on
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  Speaker 1: right now. I'm just wondering. You know, she, as you
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  Speaker 1: were saying, was disoriented the night before. Did she take
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  Speaker 1: off her clothes and leave them in the floor. Did
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  Speaker 1: she wake up and put those back on because right
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  Speaker 1: now we can't even tell people what to look for
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  Speaker 1: if she's wandering around because we don't know. Tennis shoes, vans,
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  Speaker 1: a dark stair of sweatpants, and a white T shirt.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we know. And that was confirmed by three
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  Speaker 1: different people, two neighbors. And then okay, now I'm just
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  Speaker 1: hearing that for the first time. Tell me about that.
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  Speaker 1: What did three neighbors say? Um? Okay, So when we
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  Speaker 1: first went out searching in the morning, we searched for
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  Speaker 1: two hours, and one neighbor that lives on our street,
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  Speaker 1: he's older, and I asked him, I said, did you
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  Speaker 1: see my daughter walking down the street, you know, young girl?
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  Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, actually I did, And I said
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  Speaker 1: do you know what time? When he says he was
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  Speaker 1: about six thirty and I was like okay. And then
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  Speaker 1: as this just the searching, every thing keeps going on,
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  Speaker 1: we have had three more people, who our neighbors who
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  Speaker 1: live right in this community, that saw her wearing a
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  Speaker 1: white T shirt, gray sweatpants, and tennis shoes walking west
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  Speaker 1: on our high on our and then the other one
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  Speaker 1: confirmed person was a wotter, which is like some of
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  Speaker 1: you broke out to chalk wood. He saw her at
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  Speaker 1: seven thirty down by highway stick. Where in the world
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  Speaker 1: do you think she was headed? I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I knew. Do you know another parent or
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  Speaker 1: If you're gonna watch this video, please do not have
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  Speaker 1: the kids around. Carly lane go say is missing. Still
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  Speaker 1: she's been missing. Students breathe, mm hmm. She's been missing
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  Speaker 1: since six thirty am. The last time that I spoke
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  Speaker 1: to her was by thirty. She didn't take her cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: We're coming up on ten hours that she's been missing,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to put this on blast because I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she's out in the desert. I think that
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  Speaker 1: she could have been abducted or taken because we do
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  Speaker 1: live by a highway and it happens, and I'm being real.
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  Speaker 1: Where is Curly? Help us bring her home? Tip line
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  Speaker 1: seven six zero nine three two seven five nine. Let
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  Speaker 1: me ask to Robin Willinski. I'm hearing that police have
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  Speaker 1: not been able to confirm those neighbors saw Carly. What
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  Speaker 1: do you know about that, Robin, Yeah, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: still being looked into. I think that everyone on the
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  Speaker 1: block is going to be interviewed in depth. And they're
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  Speaker 1: going to you know, when, when are they going to
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  Speaker 1: confirm it? I mean, that's that's a great question. I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you this though, that you know this, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: that people have very selective memories. They've done studies. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you put somebody in a room and someone's wearing a
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  Speaker 1: black shirt and you know, in red pants or or
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  Speaker 1: white sneakers, and they commit a crime, and they say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what do you remember about that guy? And then you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: especially if the person is older, people remember things very differently.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: So are gonna have to take those neighbors and interview
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: them separately and find out, uh, you know, what's up
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and what's down? Did they really see her or not?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: At six thirty in the morning, seven thirty in the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: morning on a Saturday. Why are these people outside? How
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: did they see her? I have a lot of questions,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of whats zach and Melissa are telling us.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Three neighbors thought, if even one of them are correct,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: then that was her. On the also that that that
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: three of them separated in time and space. Have all
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: three stated, at least to Melissa and zach Ory have
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: not police that they saw her. One corroborates the other
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you see what I mean. The key thing is her demeanor.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Was she running around in circles alone, acting crazy? Was
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: she having some sort of breakdown? Was she with the boyfriend?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Was she with some stranger. There's a lot of questions here,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of those yourself. She was by herself, and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: all witnesses have already been questioned and confirmed that, yes,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: it was her. Oh so police have confirmed the signings Melissa, Yes, yes, okay,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: So let me go out to Joseph Scott Morgan forensics
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: expert Joe Scott. This investigation is going in so many directions.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: But if these three witnesses are real, okay, then that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: is that's a serious, serious lead. If those three are real,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And I know what Robin Willinski is saying. I've had
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: defense attorneys say that in court a million times, and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: there is a grain of truth to it. There is
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: that eye witnesses can be wrong. But when you've got
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: three different witnesses out of the neighborhood in three different
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: locations that I've not gotten together and cooked up a story,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine why they would. Then that is a
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: credible lead. Yeah, yeah, it is. And plus uh, if
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: they're marking time along this way where you have these
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: benchmarks where they're seeing this young girl at various locations
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that kind of match up. I think. I think my
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: question to uh, to the dad is this, Uh, you
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  Speaker 1: guys live in this very isolated area that's just adjacent
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to a lot of wilderness, and I'm just curious, do
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you guys actually live north of the community of Bishop. Yes,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: that's that's ten twelve miles north of the community of Bishop. Yes, okay,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and then northbound of y'all is just kind of vacant.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's not a lot a lot around that area. Uh.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Was she headed? Was she seen headed toward Bishop or
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: away from Bishop? With all of these neighbors on this timeline,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: there's there's no clue to that. Um. The clue of
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: her heading down towards Hiway six was was good because
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: then it corroborated with the man who was going looting
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: in the morning. If she was just standing on the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: side of higher Wave six. The idea in which the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: directions she had gone on Ihoway, if I could guess,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I would say south back to Bishop because his friend's
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: boyfriend whatever is that? Where? Yeah? Is that where you
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: said her friends and whatnot? The boyfriend. Is that where
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the school was located that she or where the school
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: is located that she currently attends. Is it in that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: area there or is it some okay? Alrighty well, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: was just curious because it's so desolate out in that area.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: And am I correct in uh in stating that you
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: guys live adjacent to a national forest? Or is that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: an Indian reservation? Yeah? We well, we're in the We
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: do not live on an Indian reservation. Our Indian reservations
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: in the town of the sup that is south of us.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: There's an Indian reservation in the town of Benton, which
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: is north of US. Um, I don't specifically live on
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: an Indian resident I guess what he's trying to ask
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: is the terrain around where she was headed. Is it desert?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Is it mountainous? Is it populated? What is it? Well,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it's high desert and it's high desert. And in that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you're I mean, we would live not far from the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Sierra Mountains. I live my house backed up to the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: White Mountains. Um. Yeah, desert, the mountains here, it's not
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: what can you tell me? Okay, I've we've established the terrain.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott so we'll percolate on that for a moment.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I want to ask about a call in of a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: possible signing of Carly and Labette, California at a gas station.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: What if anything, do we know about that, Roby Wilensky. Yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I am not venture on that. I will tell you
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Nancy that the question that I have to the biological
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: dad and step mom is really what the state of
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: mind was and when she was being recorded by her
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: step mom, what were the exact statements. Was she suicidal?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Was she upset with the boyfriend? Was there some other
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: kind of spat going on with another girlfriend? Sixteen year
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: old girls fight all the time? Was she suicidal? What
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: was her state of mind? She wasn't suicidal. She was
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: just very paranoid. She was scared, and then when she
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: wanted to go to Bess, she didn't want to leave
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: my side, so I spent the whole night with her. Guys,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: we are trying to find Carly. You say she's a
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: gorgeous young girl missing tipline seven six zero nine three
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: two seven five four nine. You were just hearing from
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the biological father of Carl Goosey. That would be Zachary
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and the stepmother and Melissa do say, Remember all three
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of these parents have been working with police, and they
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: all three say that foul play is involved. What do
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: we really know? Joseph Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: My Feet, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott, what's
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: your take on the evidence? One of the problems, Nancy,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: is that the waters are so muddied that you can't
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: accoumple it. You can't accomplish the task that's at hand,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and that is finding this girl. That's the most critical
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: thing here, because nobody can get on the same sheet
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: of music. I'm hoping that the trail has not gone
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: cold as far as physical evidence goes, that it hasn't
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: been destroyed, that hopefully we can we can peg down
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: some answers to try to get her found. Joining me
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: right now, Robin will Lynskey, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Where we are on this, bringing you the very latest
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: updates by the hour on Crime online dot Com. She's
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: also an author of The Beautiful Life The c S
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I behind the Casey Anthony Trial. Robin will Leski, you
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and I have seen a lot of investigations and let
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: me just tell you something, Robin. I can tell you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: right now what John, David and Lucy even had in
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: their snack and what was in their backpack, the whole
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: ship bang, right down to their socks. Okay, maybe I'm crazy,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and I own it. I own that. But They're all
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I've got and I'm gonna know everything i can about them,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: protect them, watch them, the works. I'm not taking away
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: from these parents. Maybe they're doing that in their own way.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Plus there get as a team, all right. I imagine
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: it's gonna get harder as the years go by. But
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I want to know, Robin, what you believe the facts
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: really are, what is going on, because none of this
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: is making sense to me. Yeah, I'm with you. I
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of a different take on the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: than and your other guests. I think that the biological mother,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: it sounds to me that she was not there. Clearly
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: she may have known of dysfunction in the home if
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: her daughter was unhappy with the stepmother. There's no consistency
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to anything. And here's another thing, and I'm gonna have
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to go to Dr Brian on this. When I was
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: talking to Melissa and Zachary and I don't know if
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I could detect it or not. With the mother, the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: bio mom. Usually parents are like falling over trying to
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: give you all the facts that they possibly can. Okay,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I felt like I was pulling teeth. I felt like
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: it was a kind of a little bit of a
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: confrontation trying to get facts out of the stepmother and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the dad. On the other hand, Brian, they may have
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: felt like they've been under attack, all right, So, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: they're responding in that way when anybody's in a corner
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and there to attack, they come out defensive, right. So
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the truth of that is. But
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I look, I'm a j D. I'm not a d D. Yes,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to pull teeth. Okay. So I
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: was having a hard time getting facts. Well, yeah, and
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: that the difficulty that everybody hurts you having is the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: thing that that is so curious. I mean, you and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I have talked to a lot of parents, sadly unfortunately,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: whose kids have actually gone missing due to actual abduction
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and foul play. They sound desperate to give us every
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: piece of information that could possibly help find their child.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: They want to take a lie detector to rule themselves out.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: They want to give an inventory of the clothes. They
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: want to get an accurate timeline. But if we really
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: have witnesses saying they saw the girl outside the house,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: then it really doesn't matter if she had underwear, jeans
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: or whatever on in the house. She left the house
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: of her own under her own power. It sounds like
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to me that's a runaway. Yeah, I'm with you on that.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And it's again, whenever I have family members of somebody missing,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: they are beside themselves trying to give you facts. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and also, I mean, you know, my model is always
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: smart class. I mean, that guy practically laid on the
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: courthouse steps begging for people to take his polygraph, takes DNA, dagas, fingerprints,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: whatever to to help. Okay, um, in this case, maybe
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: they all feel guilty, or maybe they all feel attacked
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: in some way by you know, media, by everybody. So
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: maybe that explains it all. But I would be in
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: there going through her clothes trying to find out what's missing,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: trying to find out where if the shoes are there,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: so I could get an accurate description of what she's wearing. Also,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the cell phone joining me right now. In addition to
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Robert Willinski, Joseph S. Gott Morgan and Dr Brian Russell
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Is our crime online investigative reporter and journalists Lee Egan
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Lee tell me one thing off the bat is have
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: those three witness ideas in the neighborhood being confirmed by police.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: We did confirm with Sheriff Ingrid Braun with the Mono
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department in California, that three different people did
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: indeed say that they saw someone who looked like Carly
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: walking through her neighborhood early morning October. Now, two of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: those people live inside the neighborhood, and then the other
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: person lives outside of the neighborhood and said he saw
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: her around a mile away from her neighborhood by a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: barbed To our offence, two of the people have never
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: met Curly before, so they wouldn't know who she was
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: if they saw her, but they did give a description
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of the person that they saw which matched Carle's description.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: The other person that has met Carley before said that
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: they could not be sure it was her, but it
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: was somebody that looked like her. Tipline seven six zero
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  Speaker 1: nine three to seven five four nine, Hold on stop everything.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: We have got breaking news out of a d C
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: jury trial the so called mansion murderer who allegedly breaks
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: into a home many people believe, under the disguise of
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: delivering a pizza and wipes out almost the entire Savopolos family,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the mom, the dad, the ten year old little boy,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and the housekeeper for what we now are learning, the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: jury return a verdict. First, take a listen to this.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: The trial went on for about six weeks and took
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the jury about a day and a half to go
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: through all the evidence, and they returned with their verdict.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: The judge brought the jury in. They had the foreman
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: stand and then had the jurman foreman go through the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: twenty counts in the indictment, and it was guilty on
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: every single count. Darren went stood next to his defense attorneys.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: He was dressed in a dress, shirt and a tie.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: He bowed his head as he was listening to the guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: one after another. Afternoon straight out Now to Alan, do
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: you joining me, Allen? What happened in that courtroom? Well,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: there was some blockbuster testimony. First, a little background. Savasavopolis,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: his wife Amy, their ten year old son Philip, their housekeeper,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: found beaten, strangled, stabbed to death inside this mansion in
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: north west Washington, d C. Back in May of first
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: investigators thought several people were involved, but then finally they
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: arrested Darren Went, the only person arrested in charge. It
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: took him three years to build their case against Wit,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: the case relying heavily on DNA evidence, including some DNA
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: taken from pizza crust that was ordered apparently during the incident.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Some eyewitness testimony at the trial was far from definitive,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: but it was forensic scientists testifying that Wentz DNA was
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: found on the pizza crust and also in a vest,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: a green vest that was found inside the family's Porsche
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: that he stole from the house and set fire in
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Prince George's County in Maryland. A lot of bombshell testimony.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: In fact, Went took the stand in his own defense.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: His brother's Stefan Went, and his half brother Darryl, who
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: helped investigators, testified against him. His former fiance his brother
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: in law, also testified against him. Jordan Wallace, who worked
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: as an assistant for the family, took the stand and
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: spoke publicly for the first time since he was asked
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: to hand deliver forty dollars in ransom to the home.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: You know, one family member was not at home, the
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: other child. Her life has been totally devastated. I don't
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: think there's any such thing as closure in a case
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: like this, but I pray to God at least she
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: feels some sense of justice. All we can do now
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: is pray for remaining family and to the so called
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: mansion murderer. Wrought in Hell. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,