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Embracing Everyday Sparkle & Creativity · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land, Always was, Always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hey Jicks, I'm Zal and I'm our.
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  Speaker 2: And this is two broad Chicks, the show that shares
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  Speaker 2: life lessons and tips to help make you rich in life.
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  Speaker 2: And today we are joined by Sandy McIntyre, the non
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  Speaker 2: binary actor, model, TV producer, and content creator who you
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  Speaker 2: may also recognize from their iconic fashion and beauty looks
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  Speaker 2: on Instagram. Also in twenty twenty, Sandy created the online
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  Speaker 2: platform Queer Fall, a space to share queer stories and
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  Speaker 2: lived experiences.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome Sandy.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, research intro.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's all true. Oh stop, just sound clip
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  Speaker 1: that didn't have it as your.
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  Speaker 2: Alarm exactly, be like, I am that bitch.
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  Speaker 4: But as aware of many hats.
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  Speaker 2: We've got you on today to talk about how to
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  Speaker 2: find work as a freelancer, how to lean into your
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  Speaker 2: creativity and every day life. But first, before we get
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  Speaker 2: into the juicy stuff, we start with a life lesson
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  Speaker 2: of the week.
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  Speaker 4: So, as our guest, would you like to.
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  Speaker 3: Kick us off? I would love the privilege and honors.
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  Speaker 3: So I think a life lesson this week is to
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  Speaker 3: be in the present, because I think I personally. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know about you guys, but I'm constantly thinking in
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  Speaker 3: the future, what's next, what's NeXT's my paycheck coming from
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  Speaker 3: or whatever? And this past week I've just been really
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  Speaker 3: sitting with myself and with my friends and my work,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm so grateful. And to be in the present
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  Speaker 3: is to accept a gift, right, So it's just been
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  Speaker 3: so lovely.
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  Speaker 2: That's a beautiful Do you have a tip on how
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  Speaker 2: to be present?
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  Speaker 4: Like, what is something that you do to put that
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  Speaker 4: into action?
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  Speaker 3: I have to remind myself constantly, like if I'm going
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  Speaker 3: into a meeting or even today for example, might just
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  Speaker 3: be present, react, listen. I think listening to yourself and
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  Speaker 3: others is the best way to go forward.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what a good life lesson is is
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  Speaker 2: that if you're talking, you're not listening.
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  Speaker 3: Totally okay.
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  Speaker 5: My life lesson of the week is a quote I
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  Speaker 5: saw and it's basically the best response to have in
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  Speaker 5: your pocket when someone's just really pissing you off an argument.
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  Speaker 5: And it basically was just them saying you're too smart
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  Speaker 5: to have a dumb answer like that. So when you
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  Speaker 5: are arguing with someone or when someone is coming at
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  Speaker 5: you with just absolute bullshit. The best fucking response to
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  Speaker 5: make them feel like a fucking idiot is to turn
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  Speaker 5: around and go, you're too smart to have an answer
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  Speaker 5: like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's incredible, thank you.
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  Speaker 5: I hope no one ever has to use it. But
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  Speaker 5: I was like, slag queen, Okay, what's your life lesson? Sally.
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  Speaker 2: We went to an event the other day and we
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  Speaker 2: got our hair done and they were asking me about
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  Speaker 2: my hair washing.
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  Speaker 4: Routine, and he asked if I do a double shampoo?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I know that this is kind of an
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  Speaker 2: old school strategy or hack or whatever, but I always
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  Speaker 2: was just like, nah, it's an old wives tale, like
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  Speaker 2: you don't actually need to double wash your hair.
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  Speaker 4: And he was like, do double cleanse?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, of course I do.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, well you need to.
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  Speaker 3: Double wash whoa?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck, so.
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  Speaker 2: When you're washing your hair, you should be doing two
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  Speaker 2: washers and then the conditioner.
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  Speaker 4: And I felt really dumb in that moment.
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  Speaker 3: But also two break chicks? How does that cost effective?
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  Speaker 4: I know, but it's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just say this is my moment because I
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  Speaker 1: actually have been doing that, This is my moment.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I don't do it all the time. I do
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  Speaker 5: it maybe once a month, Okay. So basically why it's
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  Speaker 5: good is because it can be really hard to remove
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  Speaker 5: the build up of product. So if you use dry shampoo,
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  Speaker 5: if you use hairspray, if you use a hair oil.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why I use like a detox shampoo and
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  Speaker 5: I use that once a month.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, fabulous hair. Here we come, all right, should we
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  Speaker 4: get into the EPs.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to talk about this.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like this has been like a topic that's
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  Speaker 5: really been present on my FYP lately of being like
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  Speaker 5: the joy of just like creating or the need to
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  Speaker 5: like create and what that is, because I feel like
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  Speaker 5: sometimes we think of creativity as like a fucking drawing,
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  Speaker 5: like that's like literally the extent of it, when it's
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  Speaker 5: not like it's not sitting down and painting the Mona Lisa,
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  Speaker 5: it's not literally getting into garage band and being.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's a bop.
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  Speaker 5: So saying what does creativity look like in everyday life?
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's different for everyone, Like you just said,
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  Speaker 3: I look at creativity, especially from my sister in law,
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  Speaker 3: like she is incredible and the way that woman keeps
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  Speaker 3: those three kids entertained daily. I'm like, how do you
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  Speaker 3: do it? And that's one way. I mean, people can
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  Speaker 3: find creativity in maths or like working in a core center.
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  Speaker 3: There's different ways you can do it. But for me,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's like being surrounded by life and people.
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  Speaker 3: I get inspiration from conversations. I get inspiration from my
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  Speaker 3: work and the way that I present myself and that
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  Speaker 3: allows me to be creative on a day to day basis.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess for me to start it with fashion,
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  Speaker 3: as like a kid, I would wear like waistcoats. That
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  Speaker 3: was like my little thing, and I had little glasses
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  Speaker 3: and I thought I was like so proper and intelligent
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  Speaker 3: and amazing and allowed me to be out there and
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  Speaker 3: be confident to do those creative endeavoritors whether it was
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  Speaker 3: like gymnastics or trauma or circus, And that's like where
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  Speaker 3: it started. But I think now I find the most
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  Speaker 3: inspiration through conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 5: I think there are so many beautiful ways to bring
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  Speaker 5: creativity into just a mundane, everyday life, whether it's like
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  Speaker 5: a Spotify playlist, like there are so many Spotify playlists,
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  Speaker 5: there's one at the moment that is amazing and it's
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  Speaker 5: called NYC in two thousand and three, stop and I
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  Speaker 5: will link it in the show notes. And by I will,
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  Speaker 5: I means I will and it is truly perfect. There's
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  Speaker 5: also one that's like you're a whimsical goth nineties witch.
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  Speaker 1: And I might say give it to me.
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  Speaker 5: It's like truly and I think you can literally bring
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  Speaker 5: creativity as easy as setting up a niche Spotify playlist.
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  Speaker 5: Or one that's also super trendy is a color walk.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen these?
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  Speaker 3: So a color walk?
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  Speaker 5: So I think you've spoken about them before, but basically,
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  Speaker 5: you choose one color and when you go on your walk,
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  Speaker 5: you look for that color. So let's say you pick blue,
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  Speaker 5: you're gonna walk and if you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: That, you know the Bondada Bronte baby.
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  Speaker 5: You're gonna look and you're gonna see maybe someone's got
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  Speaker 5: a blue coffee cup, or they're in a.
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  Speaker 1: Blue active wesset of the ocean.
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  Speaker 5: You know, like you look around a blue car and
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  Speaker 5: you notice, and it means that you're just really really
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  Speaker 5: present and looking around for colors.
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  Speaker 2: But again, I think those things are playing into our
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  Speaker 2: childhood joy even like you said, like your example with fashion,
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  Speaker 2: something that you've been experimenting with since you were a
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  Speaker 2: little kid, and gave you that sense of freedom and
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  Speaker 2: creativity and self expression from such a young age, at
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  Speaker 2: a point that you probably didn't even realize what that
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  Speaker 2: was really doing for your self development. But do you
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  Speaker 2: think that everybody is creative or do you think it's
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  Speaker 2: something that some people have to actively develop over time.
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  Speaker 3: I personally think that we all are creative. I think
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  Speaker 3: some people may say, you either have it or you
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  Speaker 3: don't very much like this style, but no, fuck that.
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  Speaker 3: Like we are creative, whether it's through the way we
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  Speaker 3: listen to music, or the way that we play soccer,
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  Speaker 3: or the way that we have a conversation or go
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  Speaker 3: to the grocery store, and how we present in the world,
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  Speaker 3: Like that is creativity. And the way that you name
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  Speaker 3: your dogs or the relationship that you have with your dogs,
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  Speaker 3: or how you watch films. We are all subconsciously receiving
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  Speaker 3: information that we put out into the world that we
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  Speaker 3: don't realize, and that is beautiful and that is art
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  Speaker 3: within itself. And to be creative is to be subjective,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what art is.
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  Speaker 5: I could kick a door if I love that that
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  Speaker 5: even if you're choosing what movie you want to watch.
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  Speaker 1: That's a creative choice.
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  Speaker 3: Totally.
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  Speaker 2: You are the creative director of your own life, honey,
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  Speaker 2: because that's true.
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  Speaker 5: Like I think people would sit there and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just not really that creative you are.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not there, and you're like, but.
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  Speaker 5: You do it every day, even the way that you
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  Speaker 5: would maybe console a friend.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. There's an art of conversation the wather you approach something,
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  Speaker 3: you listen to and you read body language. How am
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  Speaker 3: I going to do this? So you creatively come out
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  Speaker 3: with a way that is going to make the other
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  Speaker 3: person feel comfortable and get the main point across.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that I think that creativity
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  Speaker 2: is something that you have to be good at and
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  Speaker 2: that it needs to have I guess, an outcome, or
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  Speaker 2: that you have created something and that it is good
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  Speaker 2: and that people will enjoy it. But you could be
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  Speaker 2: creative by making your own recipe, like if you had
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  Speaker 2: chili flakes or something that doesn't call the chili and
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  Speaker 2: you put in one extra clove of garlic.
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  Speaker 1: That is creativity, you mean.
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  Speaker 5: My Yes, you know what my favorite snack when I
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  Speaker 5: was little was. It was pasta with wisterishy sauce.
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  Speaker 1: And no one's gonna like it. Don't try it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not recommending it, but it was creative. Also, barbecue
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  Speaker 5: sauce and cucumbers. What's your most creative dish?
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  Speaker 1: It's like it can be from when you were a kid.
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  Speaker 3: I was like obsessed with tomato sauce as a kid.
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  Speaker 3: So I'll just have like tomato sauce sandwiches and I
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  Speaker 3: fucking ate that ship. I loved those disgusting now. I
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  Speaker 3: mean maybe, but like we.
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  Speaker 2: Were saying, a lot of people do sort of say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not creative or I'm just not a creative type
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  Speaker 2: of person. Where can you go for inspiration if you
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  Speaker 2: are feeling stuck?
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  Speaker 3: That's a really great question. I think you need to,
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  Speaker 3: as I was saying before, be present with yourself and
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  Speaker 3: take a moment to figure out what brings you joy,
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  Speaker 3: what brings you happiness, and hone in on that. It
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  Speaker 3: could be anything. It could be go into soup prey
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  Speaker 3: and picking out a little miniskirt. That's what I would do,
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  Speaker 3: halla but it also could be just like go into
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  Speaker 3: the movie by yourself and stepping out outside your comfort zone,
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  Speaker 3: whether that's big or small, and just enjoy those little
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  Speaker 3: moments to bring you back into yourself and understand that
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  Speaker 3: you are part of this world that we're existing in.
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  Speaker 3: We are matter, but we do matter and that is perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And also you don't have to be creative all the
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  Speaker 5: time when you put that pressure on yourself, Like if
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  Speaker 5: you have to force it, it's probably shit totally.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing is, like I work in casting for
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  Speaker 3: those who don't know, within reality television, and the amount
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  Speaker 3: of applications that I receive where people say I'm not interesting,
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  Speaker 3: Like what's the most interesting thing about you? I'm not interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's bullshit, you are, And so then I
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  Speaker 3: have to have like an hour conversation with them speak
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  Speaker 3: about their interests because they're not used to speaking about themselves,
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  Speaker 3: speaking to themselves that time, because that's what selfish absolutely not.
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  Speaker 3: And so when they do speak about themselves, they open
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  Speaker 3: up and like, oh my god, actually, yeah, I do
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  Speaker 3: love this and I do love that. And at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the conversation, I'm like, well, babe, you are interesting,
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  Speaker 3: like you.
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  Speaker 1: Are amazing, and it's so good.
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  Speaker 3: But generally though, and it's so amazing to kind of
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  Speaker 3: get that out of them as well, because they walk
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  Speaker 3: out of that thinking, oh fuck, like maybe there is
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  Speaker 3: a new outlook that I had that I haven't previously
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  Speaker 3: thought about. And that's because I don't give myself that time.
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  Speaker 3: So in order to be creative, if you're in a rut,
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  Speaker 3: give yourself time to figure out.
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  Speaker 5: Do you spend a lot of time on your own totally? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna sound I'm getting.
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  Speaker 3: That, Fara, I love it.
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  Speaker 5: How did you get comfortable in one like silence and
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  Speaker 5: to your own company, because that is easily one of
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  Speaker 5: the hardest things for like the hardest humps for people
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  Speaker 5: to get over.
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  Speaker 3: I think because I'm constantly surrounded by people. If I'm
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  Speaker 3: on a TV set, it's like one hundred people at
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  Speaker 3: a time, I'm talking to fifty at a time, and
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  Speaker 3: I need my solitude to understand how I'm feeling. And
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  Speaker 3: so I think maybe like seven years ago was really
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  Speaker 3: when I started doing it, and it took me a while.
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  Speaker 3: I was like too much of a hermit, and my
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  Speaker 3: friend's like, come on, sand you got to come out.
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  Speaker 3: It's been too much. So I'm like, actually not. But
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  Speaker 3: it was like such a growing phase for me where
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  Speaker 3: I understood that it's okay to be in your head. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: I'm anxious, Yes I have had depression. Yes, all these
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  Speaker 3: things that happen in my life that could be deemed
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  Speaker 3: as horrible, it's okay because it happened for a reason,
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  Speaker 3: and it's okay to analyze that. It's okay to analyze
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  Speaker 3: yourself and your friendships and your family relationships. And if
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  Speaker 3: it's not working for you, then I think that alone
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  Speaker 3: time allowed me to be like, oh fuck, I can
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  Speaker 3: change this. I can have that conversation. And one thing
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  Speaker 3: that I've been instilling in my own kind of brain
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  Speaker 3: is conversation is not confrontation, and it's really helped me,
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  Speaker 3: as like a Libra san bergermon caprical rising, to have
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  Speaker 3: a conversation that may be difficult, and being by myself
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  Speaker 3: has allowed me to kind of get that courage just
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  Speaker 3: do it.
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  Speaker 5: Even potentially that the conversations you have to have with
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  Speaker 5: yourself totally those are sometimes the most confronting ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the only time you can have those
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  Speaker 2: conversations is when you are alone.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, even when you're like laying down doom scrolling, like
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  Speaker 3: you're still thinking about your life or I should do
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  Speaker 3: this tomorrow, or I haven't done that yet. But like
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be okay, baby, It's gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of on that note as well.
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  Speaker 5: What does the role of boredom and stillness play within
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  Speaker 5: the process of bringing more creativity into your life?
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  Speaker 3: That's so hard because I don't know about you, but
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  Speaker 3: I find it so difficult to be still and to
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  Speaker 3: be bored. I think you can be perceived as boring
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  Speaker 3: or being perceived as being still because even like with
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  Speaker 3: social media, I've taken a step back a little bit
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  Speaker 3: in terms of working with brands because I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: so complicated, but I think it's like I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to give myself to brands or people who are going
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  Speaker 3: to be rude, you know, and you give all this
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  Speaker 3: energy to this project and that is like thrown in
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  Speaker 3: your face and it's really disappointing. So like, in order
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  Speaker 3: to predict, in order to protect my piece, I need
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  Speaker 3: to step back. And if I'm being to other people
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  Speaker 3: still or boring, that's on them, because I'm not. I'm
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  Speaker 3: enjoying watching white loaders in my bedroom. I'm enjoying drawing
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  Speaker 3: or trying to close and that is all that matters.
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  Speaker 5: And if you don't have those moments in your life,
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  Speaker 5: then it's going to become one note and boring anyway, totally.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well we can always have too much of one thing.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're constantly like stimulated, then you're not actually
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  Speaker 2: even going to get that enjoyment out of those things
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  Speaker 2: that you do, for example, watching White Lotus or whatever
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  Speaker 2: it may be, or like hanging out with your friends exactly,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't have that alone time to like counteract
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  Speaker 2: with that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think everyone should give themselves alone time,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's like given a war. Yeah, what's really helped me,
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  Speaker 3: it's just journaling. Like that's literally my favorite thing in
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  Speaker 3: the world to do, whether I'm like writing for someone
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  Speaker 3: else or writing for myself, but sometimes I write for
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  Speaker 3: someone else even though it's for me, And even that
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  Speaker 3: is just like the most special still activity that I
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  Speaker 3: can do.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what?
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  Speaker 5: That's such a cool way to look at look at
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  Speaker 5: it is, like maybe so Sabrina Carpenter, she wrote her
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  Speaker 5: album letters or Emails I'll Never Send Right, and as
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  Speaker 5: a form of journaling and therapy, she started writing emails
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  Speaker 5: and because I think journaling can be a really hard
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  Speaker 5: thing for people because they feel like they're going.
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  Speaker 1: Dear Dairy today.
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  Speaker 5: I woke up and I had I feel like that sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: Or if you read it back, which don't do that,
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  Speaker 5: you're like, who the fuck brot like lose?
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  Speaker 1: But I think that is such a great way to
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  Speaker 1: angle it.
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  Speaker 5: Like you're writing it to someone else, you could be
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  Speaker 5: make someone up, be like dear.
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  Speaker 3: Lily literally rely. And that's been creative and.
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  Speaker 5: Real that if you don't like sitting down and putting
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  Speaker 5: pen to paper, write it on an email, make a different,
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  Speaker 5: make a bot email and just send it to that
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  Speaker 5: and I promise you you'll feel so much lighter.
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  Speaker 3: But I left it.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same, that's beautiful.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: And you also work in a very creative industry. Huh,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: So how do you feel like your creativity has helped
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: you with your professional growth?
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: I've definitely been challenged in terms of my creativity, and
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: that is from speaking. Okay. So I used to work
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: in The Bachelor, for perfect example, and I was the
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: date producer, so I would need to create every single date.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: That they're Did you do the chocolate Bathtub?
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: No, that was a season before me. So I did
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: match agnew season with Abby Chatfield and so like I
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: did the Drag Queen date if you watch that, and
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: the thing with Bachelor the Bachelor World, you can't have
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: a repetitive date. And even though it's been like five
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: seven seasons at that time and like twenty episodes per season,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: you think of something new. So that was really challenging.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: New location, new suppliers, new idea, new concept. Yeah. So
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: like that's the one way of being creative and then
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: other ways it's just being like through social media, like
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: I was able to kind of incorporate fashion in that
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: and that was so fun. And I think it's so
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: interesting when you like evolve as a person, because when
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I came out as a non binary in twenty twenty,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: it was like I was a teenager again and I
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: would like lean into what I always wanted to wear,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: which was like dresses and have makeup and wear heels.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: And there's a part of me that looks back like
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: I would look back on a photo me when I
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: was twelve, like, oh my god, that's so cringe. But
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: in that moment, my creativity allowed me to kind of
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: fulfill a want and a need that I needed to experience.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: And yes, I still want to experience it, but I
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: have now a happy medium of how I like to
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: dress and be not necessarily perceived perceived in the world,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: but present in the world. And then if you go
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: to like writing like I am currently like writing my
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: own TV show at the moment, like a TV drama,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: and it's incredible, and through that it's been like my
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: life experiences, but it's a period pece and it's just
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: fucking beautiful. And the way that my world and how
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I see my world has allowed me to kind of
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: do this, I think that's incredible. And I mean there's
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: so many ways that creativity has influenced my work. But
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I'm just getting started, and I think we all are
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: just getting started, and so just pick up what brings
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: you joy and happiness and implement that into your life
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: in any way, which way, anyway, which way, how possible, whatever.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's been the most rewarding experience in saying
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: that freelance is horrible, Like I recommend it, of course,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: but it's difficult, as you would know when is the
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: next check coming in, or you've done a job that
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: six months ago and it still hasn't been paid. And
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I don't come from money. I'm a camera town girl.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I'm proud of it, and so it's a way of
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: like hustling, you figure out the hustle, you figure out
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: how to play the game. And I think in order
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: to be in the creative industry at the moment, you
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: need to wear multiple.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Hats in order to.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Be interesting or to be worthy of a job. And
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I understand that, and I know that to be true.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: But work, you work it to your advantage, and you
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: work with the people that brings your joy and brings
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: that creativity out of you in a really positive way.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: I agree, and I think also from working in the
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: creative industry basically since I got out of spat out
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: of unique, it is true and it is a valid
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: frustration point. It's very interesting though, because this has been
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: a conversation that's been happening all the time and exactly
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: what you were just saying before that being creative and
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: monetizing it means wearing many hats. And if you look
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: at any job description in the creative industry, you need
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: to know how to do graphic design and marketing and
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: ads manager and filming and.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Editing and blah blah blah blah blah and me talent.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: And me talent and be interesting and have creative ideas
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: and have all of these things that as much as
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: I think that that is just wild and it is
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: a lot, it also has in my experience equipped me
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: to be able to run a creative businesiness. Like if
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: I need to make an EDM, I can with cav
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: don't get crazy.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Now, if I.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: Need to shoot, edit and post something with a one
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: day turnaround, I can do that exactly. So even when
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: we're looking at the creative industry, as much.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: As it will squeeze.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Every drop of juice from you, you will.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Be better for it. Mental health not included, because we
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: need to look after that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: I promise you there will be days that you come
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: home and you're like, don't cry.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: You will cry.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Working any industry, you'll probably cry, but creative pressure pressure.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Because also whenever you get feedback, that's your idea.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: That's It's not like you.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Put in an ROI profit and loss spreadsheet and someone goes, oh,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: that math is wrong.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: It's you put in a creative idea and they go
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I don't like it, and you go, oh, okay, that's fine.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: It's fine. But that's also when you back yourself and
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: you're like, no, I know me, I know my audience.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I know what you want from me, and this is it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: And if you don't like that, then that's okay. We
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: can like step aside and like not do this transaction.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: But I think backing yourself in the creative industry is
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the biggest thing that you need to do for yourself,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Like trust yourself, yeah, and love yourself, my God, and yeah,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: just I mean that's the biggest thing for me in
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the past twelve months is just trusting my voice, trusting
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: my point of view, understanding that I am qualified. And
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: there's like obviously there is so many imposter syndromes that
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: pop up, but just knowing that they need you more
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: than you need them, and that goes through any industry
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: at all, Like just you're valuable to them and they
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: need to understand that. No say no.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, we all love a paycheck, So that's fine,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: that's fine if sometimes you don't like it, Like that's
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: going to happen. Sometimes you're going to have a job.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: There's going to be creative jobs that are the stepping stone. Yeah,
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: what's something that you wish you knew before getting into
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: what I mean, you are born creative and the rest
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: is drag.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the trusting myself part because like
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I grew up like in the West, where being creative
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: isn't like a normal thing to do, or you didn't
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: know what opportunities were out there for you. So I
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: think just like trusting myself is the biggest kind of
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: thing that I wish I had from the get go. Otherwise,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: like say no, because when you say no, they still
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: come back money. Then this that make amazing. I should
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: have done that before.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, true negotiation, Yeah exactly.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: How do you know how to price yourself.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: When you're working as a freelancer because it's a tricky
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: thing between you don't want to undersell yourself, but you
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: also don't want to overcharge and potentially out.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: On the job. Yeah, I think it works differently, Like
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: if it's an article that I'm writing, I would kind
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: of look to a low bre situation for an article
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: because I'm like, I'm still learning, I'm still I enjoy
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: it so much, I'm not expected to pay my rent.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: But in terms of TV producing, that's been like a
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: really interesting kind of growth because I was so desperate
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: to get into the industry. I hadn't gone to university.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I really wanted it so I loadboard myself and that's
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: how I got my start. But once you start talking
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: to your colleagues and you figure out, oh, you're on
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: this and you're on that, and I have more experience
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: than you and this is really interesting, you start to
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: back yourself again and say I deserve this amount, and
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the worst thing that can happen, like, oh no, we're
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: going to give you this instead. But it's still up
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: from where you started. In terms of social media, that's
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: been so difficult to navigate, and I'm sure you guys
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: as well. I think my first job, I got like
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: five hundred dollars for it and I had like six
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: thousand followers at that time. But from there I got
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: an agent and it's been the best situation for me.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I'm more than happy to negotiate my rate in terms
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: of TV industry, but not in the social media world
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: because they're asking for me and like my personality, my
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: gender identity, the way I present, and so that's two personals.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: So I need someone to do that in order to
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: get me what I deserve, because you can still quit
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: yourself like, oh no, I don't deserve that much. Even
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: the other day, my agent got me a job. I'm like,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: oh my god, thank you so much, babe, Like that
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: is incredible and I would never expected it, you know.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: So if you're wanting to get into the influencer space,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: get an agent as soon as you can. Ask some
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: meetings and email is the best way forward. I receive
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: emails all the time for TV and I'm like, oh
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: my god, baby, let's crub the coffee. Let's learn about you.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Let's figure out what kind of area you want to
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: go into, and then we can help you do that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: So if anyone says no, we're too busy, they're not
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: right for you anyway. So just like continue and be
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: consistent and figure out And that goes with anything in
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: terms of asking for the right paycheck, in terms of
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: getting the right job, in terms of respecting yourself enough
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: to get the job that you deserve.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah, doing that research and understanding what
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the cost really is for your time and factoring all
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: of those things in it is a great place to start, exactly.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: And you like touch on mental health before, but I
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: need some money for therapy too, baby, can.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know competitiveness have you ever experienced this all
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: the time?
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: And I think, like when you're diverse and a minority,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: you get pitted against the other people who are in
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: the same like world as you. Fucked. It's so fucked.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: And so they were like maybe three years ago, I
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: was always against my best friends, which is so interesting.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: And if I didn't get the job, I never was upset.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, well they're amazing, they
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: deserve it. But I think the comparison thing is always
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: going to be there. But what else seen before, Like,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: we're all interesting, and we all have a different storyline,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: and we all have a different point of view, and
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: your chance will come. And it's like I've been in
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: an industry for like eight years now and only things
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: are starting to bubble and appear that I wanted for
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: my whole life. And so you're constantly working towards our goal.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: You might not know what that is, but it will
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: show itself. And so you can't compare because you don't
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: know what journey you're on. You don't know what journeys
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: other people are on. You don't know how they're working
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: or how they want to be working. And so I
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: think focus on yourself. You and yourself are the most
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: important people in the room, and that's the way it
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: always should be. And in order to to be comfortable
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: and safe and happy, just like, do not compare, I
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: guess you know what I mean, Like I gets you nowhere.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, comparison is either teacher or torture. Yeah yeah, I
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: didn't make that up. That was Mel Robinson just to say.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: And sometimes it's the kickup the butt you need totally. Sometimes,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: like being jealous of someone, it needs to be that
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: person that is the reason why you actually work for
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: what you want.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: And this is the thing, Like we're all different, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: so there's room for all of us, you know what
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I mean. And doesn't matter what your niche is, there
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: is a room for one person more than one person
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: to do it. And I think that goes for like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I mean everything, whether you're a doctor, nurse, teacher, creative,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: we all have a really unique point of view that
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: needs to be valued and needs to be respected because
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: if you don't respect it, then you get lost in
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the noise and the atmosphere and then you just kind
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: of like, well, fuck, I've paid all this attention to
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: that person. Yeah, when I've just wasted five years of
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: my launch, I'm not doing that again.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Someone else's success in creativity does not take away the
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: potential of your own Absolutely not.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did want to switch gears and talk about
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: fashion again because obviously bring it back, because that is
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: an incredible.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Way to express your creativity.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Do you have any advice for anyone who wants to
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: express themselves with fashion but is a little bit nervy?
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, of course, I think being nervous is
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: such a gorgeous feeling because it means that you care
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: and you want to look great, and I mean, you
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: look great anyway. But I think the best way for
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: me or how I experimented with fashion is like I mean, okay,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: point blank, I would go into H and M's of
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: the world. I would pick out like the female clothing.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I would always have to go into the male dressing rooms,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: which is annoying because I don't identify as a male,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: thank you, And basically I would put on these dresses
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: and I take photos and feel how I understand how
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I felt in them and the joy that it brought
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: out of me. My best friend Caitlin is a curve model,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: and she is the most sexiest beautiful woman I've ever
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: seen in my life, and she makes it work and
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I make it work, and we make it work because
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: we understand what makes us feel good. And if you
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: feel good, baby, you are sexy because it no matter
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: how what you look like, you are bloody sexy. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I fucking love it. Like, bring that confidence to the room,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: strut down that broad walk or what do you want
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: to call it side street, and just own your shit.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: And I think that's what we need to do with fashion.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Just own it, just have fun with it. I was
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: listening to your episode with Jolie Queen and she put
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: it really beautifully as well. When you have your safe outfit, yeah,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: and that is incredible. I love this is my safe
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: outfit today. It's like Doc Martin's black sox, short shorts
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: and open shirt. So with fashion, wear what makes you
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: feel good and just enjoy the process and your style
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: will change. We're changing and I want to change, you know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: right exactly? I still wear heels and I feel amazing.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: But will I wear heels wh I'm eighty years old?
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Probably yeah, exactly.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Who's learned to themselves?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Literally, But just be comfortable and enjoy yourself and be sexy.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: But also those are some of the funnest moments when
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you look back on an outfit that you wore in
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen and you're.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Like, bitch, what the fun?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is so tragic and wrong, and you're like,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: that's actually really.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Cute exact for you.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you this question as we wrap
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: up the episode, presentation versus perception.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, So what that means to me is perception is
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: how other people see me and how like they view me.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I am doing the most to not care about that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: So presentation is how I see myself, and so I
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: present in a way that gives me confidence. It gives
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: me joy, it gives me pride, and I step out
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: into the world and say, hi, how are you? I
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: have an iced oat LATEI thank you, and it's beautiful.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: But like I mean, we can't help up be perceived anyway.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: And I think if you are six foot with bangs
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: and wearing short shots and her is Alex, You're going
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: to be perceived in a way that is going to
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: be potentially dangerous. And it's I can't live my life
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: in fear. I need to live my life for me,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: and in order to do that in the most beautiful way,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I need to say fuck everyone else and just enjoy
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: the process and enjoy the ride, because the way that
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I was raised is to do exactly that. Just be you.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: There's nothing to be ashamed of, there's nothing to be
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: embarrassed about. If you want to wear that short skirt
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: and that beautiful shirt, like, do it, my love.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: If you want to get your hirself, do it every day.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: And it's amazing. But I yeah, And so I think
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: presentation is going to sit with me for rest of
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: my life because the way that I present is so empowering.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Like you understand. I don't know whether you have this experience,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: but if I wear a certain outfit in comparison to
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: like wearing a business suit, like the way the different
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: ways that I'm perceived is wild. And the power, including
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: the power in confidence, is what we should all strive for.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: And we all have it. We're all interesting, we're all creative,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: we're all beautiful, and that's the main thing that we
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: should be acknowledging and putting the time in.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: That's so good.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: There's this book called The Courage to Be Disliked, and
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: have you read it?
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: But I love that title.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: It's good and one of the key life lessons or
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: learnings is it is that basically all of our problems
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: come from interpersonal relationships. So you're anxious because maybe you're
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: scared to ask a question in a meeting, You're embarrassed
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: because maybe your Instagram posted only got ten likes and
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: you're going to delete it. And basically all of our problems,
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: which maybe we can't diminish it to this small of
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: like crux of it, right, but it introduces a really
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: interesting note that a lot of the negative emotions we
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  Speaker 5: feel inwardly are due to the perception of others and
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  Speaker 5: what we assume that perception is going to be. So
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  Speaker 5: once you let go of what others perceive you as
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  Speaker 5: and focus on your presentation, is exactly what you're saying,
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  Speaker 5: that's where like true creativity and happiness lies that. I
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  Speaker 5: was just like, yeah, like when you said that four,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I like that, Yeah, bring that. Tell
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  Speaker 5: me about that, because you can't control how people perceive you,
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  Speaker 5: and you will kill yourself trying to be literally it's fucked,
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  Speaker 5: and people are going to perceive you as being loud
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  Speaker 5: or rude or annoying or whatever that is, when really
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  Speaker 5: I should have just been focusing on how I'm presenting
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  Speaker 5: and whether I like that person or not exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Because we need to trust ourselves in our ability to
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  Speaker 3: converse and to live our lives and to be responsible
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  Speaker 3: and to make good choices. And I think all of
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  Speaker 3: that is in social awareness. And I think if you
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  Speaker 3: are a female, or you're a fab or amab or
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  Speaker 3: a queer person, we need to understand social awareness like
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  Speaker 3: no other because we are constantly not to be like
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  Speaker 3: it put on a downer, but it's dangerous out there.
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  Speaker 3: And in order to like, I mean, be aware of
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  Speaker 3: the danger, but to be true to ourselves is like
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  Speaker 3: so powerful and never dealt yourself down. Be big, beep,
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  Speaker 3: be beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: My loves, And that's the key to being creative. Don't
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  Speaker 1: give a fuck about howyone's going to perceive your creativity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because you can't control how people perceive you,
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  Speaker 2: but you can control how you present yourself exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so beautiful. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But to wrap up the episode, we do want to
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  Speaker 2: ask what is your biggest life lesson on your journey
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  Speaker 2: so far?
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  Speaker 3: My god, I think it is trusting myself. Being a
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  Speaker 3: queen kid from the West was torturers and so when
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  Speaker 3: I trusted myself. That's when like the true joy came.
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  Speaker 3: That's when I chose to experience same sex love. That's
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  Speaker 3: when I chose to experience creativity in a way that
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  Speaker 3: fulfilled me. So my life lesson is to trust me
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  Speaker 3: because I'm really fucking special.
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  Speaker 4: City.
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  Speaker 1: That is so beautiful your up. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: That was amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was incredible and you always have amazing things
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  Speaker 2: going on in the works. But what are you working
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  Speaker 2: on that we can keep an eye out for and
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  Speaker 2: where can the chicks find you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? So my social media instagram is at Sanny McIntyre Underscore.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it. And I was just in
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  Speaker 3: this series with Screen Australia called The Crop Tops. You
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  Speaker 3: can watch that on YouTube at Modern Hand And hopefully
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  Speaker 3: my TV show will be out in the world next year.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for coming on. It was an
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  Speaker 4: absolute joy and thanks to you chicks for having us
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  Speaker 4: in the ear holes. We love to be here. And
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  Speaker 4: thank you to m ik Made for making today's episode happen.
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  Speaker 1: Love you mad Bye.