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Is the Sudden AI Panic a Psyop? The Answer Is DISTURBING · Man in America Podcast

• 0:14
  Speaker 1: There's something really strange happening in the AI world right now. The men building the most powerful AIs in the world are calling for a slowdown. That sounds reasonable. Right? But look at what they're actually asking for.
• 0:27
  It's not really a pause. It's new federal laws, mandatory government testing, and the power to block systems that Washington decides are unsafe. One of them warned that within six to twelve months, these programs could literally take down the entire Internet. Others are saying this is designed to shut out any smaller competition and concentrate AI power in just a few hands, but that's just the beginning. What if there's something else that's being set up here?
• 0:51
  What if the fear narrative around AI isn't about forcing new regulation or getting rid of competition? What if it's setting the stage for a financial reset they can blame on an AI banking attack? And what if that reset has one major goal, which is forcing the population into some form of a central bank digital currency. My guest today, Micah Haynes, has spent the better part of the decade studying what happens when a financial system comes apart and figuring out what it takes to prepare for it. So if you got money sitting in a bank, retirement account, or brokerage account that you've trusted for decades, this conversation is really for you.
• 1:28
  Micah connects the dots between what's happening with AI, the debt spiral nobody's talking about in Washington, and what it actually takes to move yourself into a place of safety. Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. Before we jump in this interview, please make sure you hit that like button. Please share the show if you like it, and make sure you subscribe to the channel.
• 1:50
  It really helps us to reach more people. Alright. Let's go and jump into my conversation now with my good friend, Micah Haynes. Micah, man, it's good to have you back on. I always enjoy our discussions, and I'm looking forward to this one.
• 2:03
  Even though it's a little bit more dark and dystopian. There's always kind of a light in the in the in the darkness, but I'm looking forward to it. So thanks for being here, man.
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: Thanks. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. With fourth turnings, you know, they can be pretty scary.
• 2:18
  They end with a pretty big disaster of some sort but the first turning of a new saeculum kind of where we are going is extremely prosperous time for everybody. We just kinda have to go through, the trenches and the and the tough parts first. So, you know, that's obviously dead ahead with what's going on.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: It it really is. So the main thing I wanna focus on is the combination of the AI and the AI threats and the global financial system. And I know you and I have talked a lot about global financial system, as I have in in my show in general, just the just the sober reality of just the the amount of debt that we have, that we're in this death spiral. I just actually, I pulled up I found a little video I wanna pull up here that is just showing the purchasing power of a $100. Right?
• 3:07
  This is since the Federal Reserve was created. So it's looking at the purchasing power, from 1913 to today. And it's just crazy if you look at, you know, how much a $100 was worth in nineteen o three. And here, have, you know, tracking, you know, as you're kind of moving through. Right here, we're in the fifties, the sixties, and the gold window closing, you know, early seventies, and here we are now.
• 3:33
  Yeah. Where it's I mean, it's literally going and this and this is, you know, probably not even you know, it's probably much worse than this, for a handful of reasons. But, you know, as you can see in this chart, we're going from a $100, you know, roughly a $100,100 years ago down to about $3. And I think for a lot
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: of people, they look at
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: this and say, oh, well, it's just that natural it's just what happens. Right? Just naturally, as you get more money entering in, more people, the it changes. But, I think that, personally, it's deliberate. I think that it's something they've been doing intentionally as a way of keeping us core.
• 4:04
  But, I mean, to me, this is this right here is a reflection of a financial system that is nearing its conclusion. Right? As we know with fiat systems, they always have a beginning and an end to them. What what do you what do
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: you think when
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: you see this, though?
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. It reminds me of the fact that, you know, my grandpa, when he bought a house, it was 4,500. When my dad bought his first house, it was $45,000 and now the average house is 450,000. Right?
• 4:31
  So it's literally a 100 x what what it was, you know, mind you, fifty years ago but that is the reality of the house is still the same, the currency unit in which we price them is going down. Yeah, you're right. I think it's end of cycle type of stuff. We're seeing an acceleration in all these big problems like the national debt's growing now. It's over $40,000,000,000,000 I've been rounding up for the last six months, but we're officially well over that.
• 5:00
  You look at interest rates that have been arising because there's issues with the bond market. And then The US now has no real conventional traditional sources of demand for our bonds because other countries look at our national debt and go, geez, I don't wanna own US debt. Come on, they can never pay that back. They're never gonna pay me back if I have an IOU with them. And so rates are moving up.
• 5:23
  That has big effects on the economy. As the economy, you know, weakens and and the cost of servicing debt goes up, there's actually less discretionary spending that can go around, which means there's less spending into the economy, which means that everything's doing less well, businesses are actually paying less in taxes and that makes tax receipts and the revenue of the government go down and that means that they have a bigger hole in their essentially, wallet where they're gonna have to print more money to fill the void and we are seeing that. We went from, as mentioned before we hit record, $2,000,000,000 in bond buybacks at the end of July. In just the last five, six weeks, it's now turned into $12,500,000,000 of bond buybacks that's happening. So, you know, a six x in the amount of liquidity we're providing in just, you know, what, a little over a month.
• 6:11
  So, you know, not to belabor the point, but, we have currency issues that will only get worse because the debt issues are only gonna get worse and that whole death spiral of more debt and higher rates, it costs more but we're earning less and the economy is struggling so we have to print more money to do that. So like that chart that you showed, that trend is just it's gonna continue to go down and down and down. So, what are people doing to kind of hedge against that?
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: Well, exactly. And and it's the thing is that when you're looking at the overall this global system that there needs there there there's going to be some sort of reset. They're just kinda there just has to be. It it's it's a failing system. You can't just keep failing it and failing it and failing until no end.
• 6:59
  It there has to be some sort of reset. And there's been a lot of speculation as to what would be the cause of that reset. You know, what would be the it's like the the globe the financial system is this giant pile of gasoline soaked bonfire wood. Right? It is just it is just dry brush covered in gas, and it's like, What is the spark?
• 7:22
  And what's kind of crazy, as I mentioned, you know, we're getting into, is is the the intersection between financial system and AI. And this is where things get really kind of weird because right now, I think there's some sort of concerted, you could almost argue, campaign going on, strang AI. Right? And and to me, like, this is the origin of it. This tweet that was published, you know, really, you know, little over a week ago by his name, Jacob Coxen, who says, I resigned from Anthropic today.
• 7:53
  I spent the last three years doing doing pertaining research at both AI and OpenAI and Anthropic. Neither company is acting responsibly. They're racing straight to self improving superintelligence and gambling with our lives. More thoughts below. I wanna highlight here just the fact that it has a 171,000,000 views.
• 8:13
  Like, that doesn't happen unnaturally. I mean, maybe in a rare case, does, but there's a lot of things that say, okay. There's some sort of Psyop going on here. But if you can look at what he's saying, he's saying, do not underestimate the power of this technology. These will soon be superhuman systems that can hack anything, revolutionize any field overnight, and acquire real power and resources.
• 8:35
  We have all witnessed the progress in each of these domains, and progress is not slowing. And here's the key right here. He says that people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us by the end of the decade. This is not a marketing stunt. If anything, many executives and senior researchers will couch their phrasing in the press to sound sensible, but I hear the same people express fear privately.
• 8:57
  No other human activity possesses this level of danger. And so when you look at this, and there's a lot of speculation about why this is gone has gotten so viral. This guy's you know, he's being interviewed on major news stations and everything, and the speculation is like, okay. Is it because they wanna really start to standardize and price, you know, guidelines on AI and basically get rid of a lot of open source AI? In essence, like what they've done with weapons.
• 9:23
  Right? It's like, well, you can't have a an RPG, you know, rocket launcher because you're you're into something bad with it. So but the government, we can have it because you can trust us. Right? So it's like, okay.
• 9:34
  Well, the the government can have its own AI and its own regulations, but is this a way to take any of these open source competitors and push them aside? That's one idea. What are what are your thoughts on that?
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I completely agree. I do believe in the angle that, you know, this could be a bit of a Psyop that, you know, is essentially going to force the entire sector to be regulated. Only the biggest players are going to have the boxes that need to be ticked in order to be an active player in the space. Everyone else too small, they're all gonna be basically shut out of the industry, shut out from any kind of development because they're going to crack down on the industry and essentially only, you know, the the big players that are kind of on the inside anyway getting all that government funding.
• 10:19
  And so that's one angle. I actually don't think that what he's saying is too far off though. My concerns and my fears about it, I am sure that all these guys know that this stuff eventually kind of ends with the Terminator or the Matrix or one of these sci fi's actually kind of becoming reality. Unfortunately, I think it's very, very scary. And so there's a couple of other theories, like one of them that I have is that we've talked about the bubble that's in tech, the bubble and the problems that we see in bonds, and then there's the bubble that we have in housing.
• 10:54
  So there's the three big asset classes or the three big bubbles, stocks, bonds, and housing, like that's where 99.99% of people's wealth is is stored in one of those three, if not all three of those asset classes. And if they create a crash in stocks, generally, the fear would the fear from a crashing stock market would cause people to flood into bonds because it's supposed to be that when stocks are down, bonds are up because they're safe. Now, I don't think they're safe anymore, not just because of the national debt and the death spiral and all the stuff that we're seeing. And that's not just here in The US, that's all over. You've got rates and bond issues with every single big government country, you name it, it's a global thing.
• 11:44
  But if they crash the stock market to push people from a fear trader or reactive kind of, know, I gotta save myself or save my portfolio, if they move into bonds, it kind of alleviates the government from having to print all this money to buy back its own bonds to keep rates low or at least where they are as opposed to moving higher. And so one of the theories that I have is they're talking about all these rate hikes and now they've maybe engineered this AI race slowdown as a catalyst for popping the AI tech bubble to force people into bonds to save the bond market and to save the government from having to go that much further into debt. Now that's is that exactly what's going on? I really don't know. I don't think any of us will until, you know, we're looking at it in hindsight and we've gotten through it, but I agree with your point that we are headed very quickly towards some kind of major reset.
• 12:37
  And I think, again, it's not just us that have these problems, it's every single government has followed more or less the exact same playbook and that playbook, whether it's being doled out to everyone to follow by the cabal or by the powers that be, like with COVID, we're gonna do this and then you're gonna lock down your economy and then you're gonna lower rates and then you're gonna print a bunch of money and then you're gonna give essentially universal basic income to everybody and just helicopter money all over the place. You're gonna create crazy inflation. You're gonna go into insane national debt. Then we're gonna cause so much inflation. You have to raise rates and make servicing that debt more expensive.
• 13:17
  And then with this potential, you know, everything bubble, stocks, bonds, and housing when they all crash. And I don't know if it's like simultaneously or if it's in sequence but we have essentially massive bubbles in each of those sectors like I said and when they all eventually pop at some point, it'll cause the biggest financial crisis of all time. It'll be 1929 with 2,000 in tech with o eight and o six in housing and o eight in the global or in the global financial system. All of those tied together will be kind of the last event that causes governments to flood in one last time with five, ten times more money than than was printed during COVID with a return to zero rates, if not negative rates, like something ridiculous. And then we end up with essentially a sovereign debt crisis and a global currency crisis and essentially the makings of what I call like a debt jubilee.
• 14:20
  At that point, the G8 or the G20, like all the world's most important countries will come to the table and say, hey, we did it, we screwed ourselves, we collapsed the financial system, we went too much into debt, we're all defaulting, our currencies are all worth zero, how do we get back to a kind of a blank slate where we can kind of move forward and rebuild from here? And that's again what the first turning of the next saeculum could look like. But that I think is a debt jubilee where everyone forgives everyone else's debts and we return to some form of gold standard which is why if you look at central banks and countries globally for the last five, ten, fifteen, twenty years have all been accumulating gold like crazy is because the writings on the wall that eventually we will have to have some kind of global financial reset which is going to be repaid to gold as kind of the primary monetary reserve. So that's my take on all this and where it's going but we'll have to see how it plays out. I don't think we have to wait a whole lot longer.
• 15:20
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• 16:38
  Because I think that what that would be coming in conjunction with would be a the rollout of some sort of centralized digital currency, Right? Whether it's directly a CBDC or whether it's through private companies like we see happening with, you know, Tether, some of these companies have gotten very, really cozy with the federal government. You know? And because I think that that's the end goal. Right?
• 16:59
  It's it's kind of it's, you know, rules for thee, not for me. When you look at how these these cabal rules things, it's always about we're we're the plebs. Right? We're these these these chattel, these useless eaters that their end goal is just to enslave those of us they wanna keep and get rid of the rest.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: And that reset could be a cave. You know, governments and billionaires and all the insiders, they're all reset to, you know, square, but we get reset onto exactly some kind of CBDC, social credit scores, universal basic income. Nobody can work. Everyone has to stay home. It's kinda like that movie it's
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the Ready Player One.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Well, there's that.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Or the Matrix or You know, it's
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the one where it's it's the kids movie. I'm sure you could have seen this where they're it's Wall E. Wall E. Yeah. Everyone's fat.
• 17:46
  They're in these wheelchairs. They're all being force fed and spoon fed and everyone lives in kind of this like utopia where nobody does anything but, you know, you can't act out. You can't, you know, you can't do anything. So I don't know. That to me, that's probably the scariest thing ever.
• 17:58
  Right? Which is obviously why I've prepared myself to be able to get through the worst parts of the of the fourth of the fourth turning. We talked about this before I hit record. You might see some people kinda moving out my window. I'm having a generator installed
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Over the next couple of days just to power my whole house for a week to ten days if the power goes out for really an extended period of time. You know that I'm a kind of a hobby farmer, homesteader, prepper, obviously golden silver bug but a hunter and gun enthusiast and all these other things. Like I have done almost everything. This generator was like kind of the last thing that I needed to be able to feel comfortable about a situation where the internet gets hacked, right? Like that's where this stuff is kind of going with that AI tweet.
• 18:44
  This guy's saying, one, humanity literally is in danger because at some point these things will be working for themselves, creating more of themselves and they will not end up being probably all that friendly to us. But there was another tweet, don't know if you saw this from Dario who's the CEO of Anthropic, that was the one this weekend where he essentially said, all of us need to slow down. We need to slow down and agree together to kind of like, it's like the nuclear arms race, but it's like the AI arms race. We need to slow it down because we're kind of opening up these portals or these pathways or these problems that we don't think are actually gonna help anybody and if we go too far, there's never any going back. And again, if this is a Psyop and they're just doing it to either crash docs or to do something or to get the regulators in and squash all the competition.
• 19:41
  I don't know. But, essentially, it probably leads to, you know, something like the Internet getting hacked or some kind of quantum thing, which Trump has already warned about and I think you're familiar with.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Or the, you know, the the banking system. Right? And and this is where there's a lot of ideas about this is that, okay, they they know this reset needs to be done. There's but that what is a plausible trigger for it? Right?
• 20:01
  Obviously, there could trigger some sort of stock crash, which extends over into the bond market, the housing market, etcetera, as you talked about. But there's also the you know, we've been warned about these cyber attacks. Right? You know, Klaus Schwab, a couple years ago, was very famously shared about talking about how it would make COVID look like nothing. Right?
• 20:18
  It's a sort of global full scale. Exactly. And so but you always think in that time as always, is it these, say, three, four years ago, you're like, okay. Is it some sort of globalist hackers doing this? But now Russians.
• 20:28
  No. It's it's just AI. And so that's what gets I've got two more video I want two videos I wanna kinda show you that, you know, the this the idea that is, like, are they is this not about necessarily even the regulation of AI? Is it not about a genuine warning about AI? But is it in some form, is it laying the groundwork for the plausible scenario where AI creates some sort of banking crisis?
• 20:53
  And so there's people that believe that that's very true because that could be the perfect thing to usher in a centralized digital currency in some form. And I'll play this video. This is from a guy, Andre Andre, Zeke, I think. I'm not sure if I how about to pronounce his name properly. He's got a big YouTube channel.
• 21:11
  I'll play about two minutes of this, and I've got a video from Whitney Webb to follow. But this this right here, how this guy's explaining it seems to be quite plausible, which is scary if you listen to he's saying. So here we go.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: So I wanna share with you the theories behind why this is really happening.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: So and real real quick. So I'm I'm not it's like a twenty five minute video he he made, so this is just a little snippet from it. So he's talking about the theories behind, like, why are these this kind of these threats about AI being talked about hyped up. Now this video came out before the recent things that happened. But anyway, so just to give a little more context, you'll make sense of it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: One of the theories is pretty harmless. It says this is all just marketing. OpenAI is trying to go public with one of the biggest initial public offerings in history, and they just released a story about how their model was so capable that it basically broke containment and hacked a company on its own, which is a pretty good piece of marketing, right? It's scary. Scary means powerful, and powerful means valuable.
• 22:11
  So that's theory number one. But then I found another theory that blew my mind. And, it's about to sound crazy, but stay with me. This theory says that this story is actually just preparing the public for something big. We are being conditioned that AI can act on its own and it can break into systems.
• 22:32
  It can do this by itself, and the people who built it can't fully control it or even explain how it's doing what it's doing. So now that the seed is there, here's how you usher in the next financial crisis. Imagine this. AI goes rogue. Right?
• 22:48
  Money starts to disappear from people's bank accounts. You wake up one morning, you log into your bank, and your checking and savings account shows zero. All your money's gone. Banks freeze. People can't get to their savings, and nobody could have stopped it.
• 23:02
  Right? It's the powerful AI. So what do you do? The banks step in like the good guys that they are, and they're like, good news, guys. We can restore your balance.
• 23:11
  But there's just one condition. It can't come back to you as the dollars you had before because that system's compromised. Those rails aren't safe anymore. So we're returning your money on a new system, a more secure one in the form of digital dollars and stablecoins. Of course, most people are probably gonna say yes to this because the alternative is they lose all their money.
• 23:36
  But that is how you get hundreds of millions of people to opt into a new monetary system without needing to pass any laws.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Now So that's one segment. I'm gonna follow-up with a segment from, Whitney West.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Dude, it's so scary, though, man.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess I'll yeah. What what are you what are you what are you I'll let you respond before we jump into Whitney's video.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: So it's like predictive programming one zero one. So, absolutely, I think he's right. It's like throwing it little breadcrumbs out there about this stuff and how it's possible and I think it's terrifying. It also, you know, listened to a podcast this weekend about how the government can incentivize people to hold stable coins because essentially the ownership of stablecoins is one of the ways that they can actually replace this non existent demand for bonds. So if they're able to kind of create almost like a digital demand for bonds by creating an avenue for that money to be held in these longer term treasuries.
• 24:33
  But what you're doing is you're actually holding these treasuries, or sorry, these stablecoins instead of treasury notes. The idea though is that not a lot of people are going to want to do that anymore because again, national debt and all these things that are so concerning. So if they are forcing it is the crazy part because if they do exactly what that guy said, it's like you don't have the option. You will not have any money unless it's this kind of money, which will end up being stable coins, which we then kind of steer into filling the holes wherever we needed to because otherwise people wouldn't do it. So it's just
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it's scary. It is because there's a lot of people that will say, oh, I'll don't I'll never join in into a CBDC. You know, I I won't do that. I won't get into, you UBI or Exactly. Right?
• 25:24
  But in that scenario, he nails by saying, you don't have to change any laws. It doesn't require congressional oversight. It is a problem. They can vary I mean, if they say AI did it, who who's to prove that it didn't it wasn't AI. I mean, maybe it was, you know, some dude in some CIA, you know, bunker pressing a button that does it, but who how are you ever gonna know?
• 25:45
  Because no no one understands AI. Even the AI companies don't understand what they're building. And so Exactly. You know, people say, oh, I'd resist it, it's like, well, well, how? But here's I'll play this other video.
• 25:54
  This is from Whitney Webb, who I've got a lot of respect for for, and I think that now this came out a little bit before that guy's video, and I suspect that maybe he pulled some of his talking points from this because, you know, Whitney is the originator
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: of talking
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: points. Know what mean?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She's the OG on a lot of this stuff.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Very much so. So I'll play her video. It's about a minute or two minutes here of of her.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: The cyber attack seems like a very possible scenario because it's a way for the banks to absolve themselves of any role in a financial crisis. It's an easy way to consolidate banks so that only systemically important ones survive the hack. And it could also potentially be a very effective means of onboarding people onto this new digital currency paradigm. So for example, let's say this financial cyber this cyber attack on the banks takes place and they say, well, the existing money in your account has disappeared. The hackers took it, but we can return to you the exact same amount of money you had.
• 26:53
  But it won't be in the dollars you had before. It will be in USDC or this dollar back stable coin, or it will be this token. So you can get an equivalent amount of money back, right, from the money that was stolen from you, but it has to be this new money. It has to be part of this new system. There's the potential here for people to steal money from you and then essentially give it back to you, but with new conditions and with a new like social contract.
• 27:23
  Yeah. You voluntarily accepted this new system and voluntarily onboarded to this new paradigm. But it's a coercion to an extreme degree. All of your money was stolen. Right?
• 27:36
  And now you can only get it back if you take it in the form of the digital dollars that we approve of or the, you know, the CBDC depending on where you are. You know?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And so it reminds me I hear her say coercion, it reminds you a lot of actually COVID. The only thing Exactly.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Like PTSD.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People saying, I'm not gonna get the shots. I won't get the shots. But then what happens if your employer says I'm not
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: gonna get them. You can't fly.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: You can't work here. You can't fly. You you know, you have to, if you wanna see your grandparents. It's like so how many people that wouldn't have got that, they did because they were coerced into it, because they didn't see another way out. It's like I I would say it's funny.
• 28:16
  We're we're both thinking the exact same thing as I'm watching that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: A 100%, like, same reaction, and, we're on the same wavelength. But then, like, think about, you know, the coercion, then the incentives. Do you remember like free fries from what's the mayor?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Bill de Blasio.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Free fries with your vaccination. Well, imagine it's like, hey, earn up to 15%
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: annual interest rate.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Like, we will give you an additional 15% of your account balance.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Opting into this system, it'd be so easy because it's all fake money anyway, and just be, you know, fix it to whatever incentive it's gotta be. It would be extremely easy. And can you imagine, I hate to say this, but the, you know, the have nots who are basically gonna be in dire straits anyway, they'll be like, oh my god, are you kidding me? Like, of course, I'll take that. Is it like $20 to get vaccinated?
• 29:09
  So many people took that because it meant so much for them to save free $20. So it's like, think of how many people would opt in for a little bit or even no incentive at all. Because frankly, if your money is gone, what are you gonna do? What are you going to do if you don't have access to money? Talking about my generator and being a prepper and all this stuff, I have obviously tons of gold and silver, tons of guns and ammo.
• 29:36
  Jokingly or tongue in cheek refer to the two real precious metals are lead and brass. If things get down to it where there's Mad Max type of post apocalyptic situation or the Terminator or whatever it is, but I've got a year's worth of my Patriot Supply for every person in my family, 2,000 calories a day for five of us for a year and you could stretch that out if you needed to but we also live on a little hobby farm, We have our own garden, chickens, sheep, goats, we're getting pigs here shortly. I hunt. I try to be as self sufficient as possible. And only with all of those things, you have to have your food, your energy, your money off grid to the extent that you can, right?
• 30:23
  And that's physical gold and silver. I can barter with other farmers, I can barter with other homesteaders. There's a beekeeper down my road. There's you know, other stuff that they have that I don't that we can make exchanges for. I've got a box of those little two ounce liquor things because some people might not want.
• 30:42
  You know, it's like, what else can you
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: cartons of cigarettes.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: 100%. Right? Couple sleeves is in.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I I've literally got probably 300 pounds of just vacuum sealed coffee beans just stored away in in in storage. Yeah. Just for well and and that that that becomes it's important because, I mean, if you're looking at these scenarios, it's not about, again, if you look at what the the end goals, if you read what they're listen what they're telling us, it's not about, hey. This is actually a better system.
• 31:13
  It's more convenient for banking. The old system's kinda failing. It's that, no. You are accepting a contract into a prison system.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: System.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Right? I mean, the the digital the digital control and the programmatic control of your currency that you use to buy everything in your life, if they can control that, that is the ultimate control. If they say then, it's like, well, they don't need to coerce you to get get the shot to go to your work. They're gonna say, well, you've gotta get the shot to protect everyone around you if you even wanna get access to your money. Right?
• 31:47
  Right. You look at this And
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: it could even be China. Right? Anywhere. You you know, you can't work anywhere without having this or that. It's kinda like a vaxx pass, but, you know, you can't physically earn or spend a dime without being on the new system unless it's actually off grid and it's physical and it's it's something that they're not aware of.
• 32:05
  And one of the comments she made too, which is interesting, is like with the banking crisis of March '20 in March 2023, Silicon Valley Bank blew up, the New York signature blank blew up, and there's one other JPMorgan just
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: swallowed them up. Right?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Just gobbled them all up. Exactly. These smaller regional banks with issues, they went down. What happened? Just JPMorgan got bigger.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Same thing. During the Great Depression, same thing. They got rid of all the small regional banks as a giant bank consolidation operation. This
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: could be the exact thing for And we're already seeing that, right? Like, direction in which monopolies are going, it's like these conglomerations and these monopolies are these titans of industry that are just gobbling up everybody else. And sometimes they keep the storefront as a, you think you've got consumer choice, okay, it's still this little company but the backend is owned by the big guys. Exactly. There's so few players in every single industry now but that on the finance side it would be So, you know, it's often this like, you know, David Ike stuff.
• 33:06
  It's like problems or sorry, problem, crisis, solution, right? So we're headed in that direction and the the steps by which we get there, we're kind of already well on our way. Like we said, there's a lot of this stuff that's accelerating. So I, you know, kinda tell people, you gotta think about all these little things. It's not just gold and silver, which of course I'm a big proponent of, but it's it's food, water, faith, community, guns, ammo, blah blah blah.
• 33:34
  You need to have all your little boxes ticked off. And some people are gonna be, you know, in the cities is probably gonna be where this is gonna be the worst. And I don't say that to scare people who are gonna be in the cities, but if you're in like top floor of a high rise in an apartment versus, you know, on half an acre of land or you're in the burbs or you're wherever, like there's gonna be degrees by which people are affected and degrees by which you can sort of make these kind of preparations now so that if and when we get there and I think it's a matter of when not so much of if. And the idea that it could be a banking hack or just the internet. Like I think one of the tweets from this Dario guy, this other CEO the CEO of Anthropic or maybe it's one of the other threads because everybody piled on including Elon.
• 34:15
  Right? Like, Elon this weekend was like, I fully agree. We all need to slow down on the AI arms race. But this idea that there could be a swarm of bots that hacks the internet. What can you do without the internet?
• 34:28
  We wouldn't be talking without the internet. I couldn't sign in and send you money or, you know, you can You can't actually email me.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Right. Mean
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Call me in many cases where you don't have a signal, but you have WiFi, Right? Like, where you, you know, you can't really call on your cell phone because this is a spotty signal but you could have, you know, electricity on a generator with a WiFi connection or something. So think about what would what would happen if the Internet didn't work for a day or two or a week or a month. The world would be in shambles.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cascading systems failure. Right? And and I think also, you know, going back to what the guy was saying in, this guy in this particular narrative, you know, though he showed images of bank accounts, I I think that it's it's not just bank accounts. It's every digital this is my understanding of it.
• 35:16
  It's your brokerage accounts. It's your IRA. It's any any form of of currency. Because if they're gonna do this, it can't be like, oh, well, my savings account and my checking account, those got wiped out. But, thankfully, I've got my, you know, IRA with Vanguard.
• 35:30
  Right? It's I would say it's would be everything. If you're looking at what would be accomplishing this, it is literally a way of resetting everything, forcing every asset that already exists within their system to comply to this new system. And then there, the freedom that we've, you know, fought, you know, generations for is out the day or sorry, out the road in a day or sorry, out the window. Do we mix metaphors Yeah.
• 35:53
  Exactly. Out the window in in an entire day. And so, you know, getting into, you know, solutions for this, because, obviously, as you mentioned, a lot of his lifestyle. You know, just thinking, okay. What happens if the grocery store didn't have food anymore?
• 36:08
  How would I sustain? What happens if the power that delivers my water my municipal water through their pumps and everything disappears, and I've got no access to water anymore? You know, getting into those things, that those are, you know, obviously, you know, some core proponents of just becoming more off grid, more self reliant. But with the financial aspect of it, you know, if I'm watching something, okay, what do you do? It's like, maybe think it's great you have some cash.
• 36:32
  Right? You know, my kind of philosophy is I try to keep as little as my money in the bank as possible. Right? So whether it's just having a little cash you pull out, but also in looking into some people are crypto. Know, some people I'm I personally don't trust crypto because it requires Internet to even access it.
• 36:48
  So if you lose access to the Internet, it doesn't matter if you've got 35 Bitcoin in your Coinbase wallet. Good luck accessing it. Not to mention, I I don't trust those things anyway because I think that Bitcoin's part of the overall Psyop, but that's a whole different story. But also, I mean, that's why, you know again, this is why I for me, I'm such a big believer in just this. Right?
• 37:08
  Just precious metals. Obviously, brass, lead, I've got enough of those to, you know, barter with for a while if need be or to protect what I bartered for. But, you know, with when it comes to to this, it's just precious metals. Yeah. It's it's it's off grid.
• 37:25
  Yeah. What go ahead.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: No, you're totally right. So commodities in general, right? So it could be grain, it could be hogs, it could land, it could be gold and silver, but it has to be a physical, tangible, finite item, I think, to be safe from this system. That's the only asset class, generally tangible commodities. Think the only thing that is actually ultimately super safe and to be also with you to the extent that you can do that.
• 37:57
  Now it's hard to own barrels of oil and store it and all this stuff, but gold and silver are actually very dense stores of value. Having some with you and some in an off-site location that's nearby and then some of this in a trusted faulting partner, these are definitely options and I agree with you. I think that, it's funny because Whitney Webb, same last name as David Webb,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who Great Taking.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: The Great Taking, right? Which is essentially, legislation and laws have already been passed and it all happened after 'eight that essentially makes it legal for financial institutions to collateralize all of your deposits, whether it's cash or savings or retirement accounts. Essentially, you don't own stocks in your IRA or your four zero one ks. You own an interest in those stocks, but the actual stock is already collateralized by the brokerage
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: that Exactly. You use to the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Whether it's Vanguard or Schwab or Fidelity, they hold the deed on the shares of the stocks that you own inside of your retirement accounts or the mutual funds or whatever. So, you know, when I first heard this, what, two years ago, twenty twenty four from David Webb with his book and his videos, they were great. If your audience aren't familiar with it, I think it all ties in really nicely. Again, not only is the legal groundwork already laid for this, but the kind of mechanics by which they could crash the system, whether it's either a stock market crash, a bond market crash, a housing market crash, or all three, Or AI, which is obviously what's driving the stock market bubble, if that has some type of black swan catalyst where internet's hacked, banks are hacked, or even if it's not AI, whether it's Russia or China or any other bad actor, any other kind of black hat, you name it. So there's no shortage of risk.
• 39:53
  It's just that, what are you going to do about it if you're not already prepared? Like, what are your priorities for kind of getting squared up with limiting your liabilities or your exposure to all of these potential risks, right? And you can't live day to day in an analog way where you're just paying everyone in cash because you've got bills to pay on the internet, whether it's a car payment or a mortgage payment, but the whole system is so integrated. And it's funny because you know how these agendas get set and everyone goes down them as an entire globe. Like the internet came about in the late 90s and was it ever engineered with this intention of like getting everybody so dependent on the system where you literally couldn't live a day without the internet.
• 40:39
  Most people can't. I look at the days where I'm not on the internet as some of the best that I have. But if you got to this point, it was originally engineered to create this insane dependence and get the whole financial system kind of onto it and then boom, one day that switch turns off. Whatever it is that causes it and the calamity that will ensue, right? So I hate to think about it, but I sleep pretty good at night.
• 41:04
  I don't wanna doom and gloom people only because I've done what I can.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Just do you can. And I think that that's also an important point with this is that is even looking at the perspective you can look at precious metals, because in my opinion, this is the like, you know, metals obviously, you wanna have food, you wanna have water, you wanna have brass. Those you know, medicine stocks, those are really important. But if you're looking at kinda ongoing life, right, how do you continue a year from that event where you can still barter, you can still trade, all those things?
• 41:32
  Like, to me, that's you know, precious metals is the it's the insurance policy. Right? And that's the thing is it's interesting because I noticed that, you know, you know, the second half of last year when we saw silver and gold go on this kind of meteoric rise, a lot of people really kind of fed into them and kinda got sucked up in them, and and which is a good thing. But as this investment vehicle thinking, oh, wow. Okay.
• 41:53
  Silver's gonna go up to this and this. Then, of course, you know, you wanna buy silver at $30, and if you can sell it at $1.30, hey. That's great. But I think that it it it's causing a lot of us to miss the point. Right?
• 42:03
  And if I look back at
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: You know, because I've been talking about silver and gold for a long time on the show. I've been talking about since, you know, probably, you know, 2020, 2021 2021, actually. And at that point, it was never about, hey. Silver's gonna double in the next year. It was never that kind of thinking.
• 42:18
  It was this is how you survive the central bank digital currency. This is how you preserve your wealth. This is how it was it was never looking at it the same way that you'd be talking about an Apple stock or some investment in some company. Right?
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: It's Here's why that's interesting is that all the 2020 because I've been doing this since 2020 with Noble Gold, I've been buying since 2016 personally. And I started buying in 2016 because I heard Jim Rickards talk about ICE9, which was his version of one day some kind of technology freezes the entire financial system. So what do you have to do? And, you know, he's one of my early earliest influences in one of his books. He says, like, every household needs a monster box.
• 43:03
  You know, eagles or maples.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And monster box being a 500 ounce box of silver silver rounds. Right?
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It comes in kind of like a milk crate kind of Green, technically. Yeah. For eagles, it's green. For maples, it's yellow.
• 43:15
  For Britannia, it's red or or black, Cougarines, whatever you get, but it's 501. And he's saying that's the ultimate form of insurance. Every household needs one. Because with 501, if an ice nine or a global financial shutdown occurs, you can absolutely make it through, right? The market will determine what an ounce of silver is worth at that point.
• 43:37
  It's obviously worth a lot more than what it is right now or even the 120, but I started buying because it's insurance. And then the people who were buying in 2020 and 2021 and 2020, all the way to 2025, really, they were buying it as insurance, financial insurance. We only saw a very, very small one or two month window of actual kind of like FOMO buyers, right? Like momentum chasers. Like, oh, this thing's gone from 30 to 120 in a couple of months.
• 44:02
  Sure, chase that. Now the thing about that is 120 is nothing compared to the nominal value of where silver will go or 5,500 for gold. We're going much higher than that, but it'll only really happen once the people who like yourself and like me who've been kind of seeing the connecting the dots and seeing the trail of breadcrumbs, like where this is all taking us, your audience, thanks to the work that you do, are very in tune with what's going on behind the scenes, what cabal is kind of doing to herd everybody in the direction and why eventually mainstream people will see it for what it is and go, holy crap. And they own nothing, you know, like all the gold and all the silver. I've personally sold like several $100,000,000 worth of metals in my six years here.
• 45:00
  And my company as a company, we've sold I think $3,000,000,000 in the last ten plus years of precious metals but that's still nothing. That's a drop in The the total amount of physical metal in American portfolios is like a fraction of 1%. It's less than
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: that. Exactly. Exactly. Way less.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: But it will get to the point to where it's three, five, 10% of all capital out there will have to be in this stuff because it's the only place that it'll actually be safe. And that's the thing is currencies change, financial systems change, know, currencies can go to zero, stocks can go to zero, your banking go to zero, but physical commodities and in particular the monetary metals with thousands of years, they've been through all this shit before. And they will always make it through. And so not to kind of beat a dead horse, but that is why like you, I keep tons of it here looking to play with like all throughout the day, but this is just my kind of fun stuff. Having strategic part of your wealth and portfolio, a big core position of physical metal is sure gonna make us all very rich at some point in time, but at the expense of all these other systems collapsing.
• 46:17
  So again, revert back to its origin as an asset is it's a safe haven asset.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: It's a lifeboat. And when everyone needs a lifeboat, there's nothing more valuable. And that's kind of what we say again, so it only glimpses up. So there's the like I've said on this show before, it could be 10,000 for gold, $3.05, plus 100 for silver. Doesn't really matter if everything else is going to hell in a handbasket.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: It it doesn't matter if you bought it 60 or if you bought it at 30, if you bought it at 85.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Or a 120. Exactly. Have some people who bought in at the end of January, just bad timing, but we will go much higher. So exactly, it's it's invaluable in of itself to have an asset that again is universally regarded as money, will never go to zero, and gets you off grid. Exactly.
• 47:10
  A tangible portion of your wealth that's completely there.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Bury it in your backyard. If you have a pond, can put it in a bag, tie it to a chain, throw it in your pond. I mean,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: they don't know exactly. Exactly. Right? They don't know where it is, what it is. They can't track it down.
• 47:24
  You just need to have, you know, discretion with, you know, what you're doing and, you know, don't broadcast it and all these other things that are very important to keep Yeah.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Don't show it on on screen for, you know, interviews for
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Player out.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Thousands to watch.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Everyone needs this stuff. I've been saying this forever, like, when I was called crazy. Why are you, you know, why are you buying all that food? Why are you storing all that water? Why are you buying all that gold and silver?
• 47:47
  You know, why are you moving out to the middle of nowhere? You know, why do you think you need all this? And I'm like, I hope I don't ever need any of it. But I'll be very, very happy that I do if and when we find out that everybody is
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: You know, up Shitts Creek without a paddle and then it might you know, it's not gonna save me, but I'll be better off than it may not save me, but it'll make me a little bit better off. And as a father, obviously, you need to
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: have Exactly. Exactly.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: You know, what you feel like is your responsibility. Right? You have to make sure that all this stuff is in place. Exactly. For when this stuff happens, if it happens, but I'm pretty sure it's a it's a when and not
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: a I do think I I I agree. I agree. So, Mike, I know I've taken a lot of your time and you got a tight schedule, but, if people want to get ahold of you, they want even if they want some advice from you, they say, hey. Look. Yeah.
• 48:39
  You know, should I get, you know, a bunch of, say, you know, kinda junk silver? Should I get some silver rounds? Should I pay the premium for silver eagles? Or should I do silver versus gold? If they wanna ask you those kinds of questions or even have you walk through how to acquire, you know, metals, but also how to move four zero one k's in, you know, tax advantage ways of getting you so don't get screwed by the government Yeah.
• 48:59
  What's the best way to get ahold of you and get ahold of your company?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so your page is probably the best and fastest way, but calling us at (877) 646-5347, like you said, people can call and ask for me, we can continue the conversation. And whether it's advice on how to buy or what to do or how to move into a retirement account or even like, hey, I've had people reach out who are audience members, Seth, who have said, I've done all this stuff to prepare as well, what do you think? I'm happy to chat even just about that stuff if you wanna continue the whole AI conversation. But emailing me is just the final option I wanna throw out there because I find it's been very successful with people who are because of AI and AI calls that they get from other companies and these types of things. They don't wanna call us and get their name in the system and get We don't beat you up with phone calls like other companies, but if you wanna email me, I get back to everybody whether it's two sentences or 2,000 words.
• 49:59
  You can get ahold of me at Micah, m I c a h, noble ira dot com. Micah@nobleira.com. And if you wanna make that available to anybody.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I'll make sure we put that in the description. So micah noble ira dot com. We have gold with seth.com takes you here. The phone number, there's also a form there. And, yeah, I think it's really it's really important to have this conversation.
• 50:24
  It's like we have to shift our mentality. And just and I think, obviously, you wanna be conscious of what you're buying and and the pricing, but it's, you know, if I if I'm buying survival food, I'm not going and looking at it and saying, well, this company, it's about 3¢ less per calorie. Or, you know, the the survival you know, the the MyPatriot food prices have gone up a little bit in the past year. I'm gonna wait till the prices come back down. It's just like, no.
• 50:47
  It's like you you're doing it as a it's a lifeboat. It's it's a it's an insurance policy. The same reason that you've got food, water, all those things. You you part of that portfolio is this. So, anyway, Micah, been good talking to you.
• 51:02
  I always enjoy speaking with you. Somehow we can still smile amidst this kind of conversation. I know. Right? But
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: We have to. You have to. Yeah. You have to. And again, the the better prepared you are for your set of circumstances, the happier you can be about kind of what's going on.
• 51:17
  You can get back to the fun parts of life, right? If I wasn't prepared, I'd be stressing out all the time about like, my God, I need to do this and do that. The more stuff you can take care of now before anything bad happens, the better you'll feel and the more you'll enjoy life and the less you'll think about this
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: stuff. So encourage
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: you to make those steps. Well, awesome. Thanks for having me on.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, of course, man. Yep. So I got all the information in the show description. So thanks again, man. Good talking with you.
• 51:40
  Thank you.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: You too. Cheers.
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