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ITB: Which Of The Many Eagles OL Depth Options Will Emerge? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's up, everybody, It's Jeff
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Speaker 1: Mosher and Adam Kaplan and we're going to finish off
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Speaker 1: in this podcast series the Offense our depth chart Intel.
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Speaker 1: We have gone through each position on offense so far
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Speaker 1: except for the offensive line. We saved the best for last,
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Speaker 1: and we saved the most for last on offense because
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Speaker 1: there's a ton of guys to discuss. Adam, and this
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Speaker 1: is an interesting year for the offensive line because of
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Speaker 1: the injury issues that had had on the interior last year.
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Speaker 1: Because the outside lane Johnson may very well be entering
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Speaker 1: his final year. And over the last two years, the
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Speaker 1: Eagles of stockpiled young offensive linemen in the last two
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Speaker 1: drafts and rookie free agent signings to the point where
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Speaker 1: we got a lot of guys to talk to and about.
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Speaker 1: And also you heard Howie Roseman even say, Hey, if
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Speaker 1: I got to keep ten or eleven offensive lineman, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna do it. So that's gonna be a really interesting
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Speaker 1: training camp battle between all these guys and how he
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Speaker 1: is brought in.
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Speaker 2: Well, they have so many developmental offensive linemen, like guys
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Speaker 2: who are not ready, but you hope in a couple
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Speaker 2: of years have a key role, and now you have
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Speaker 2: this new offensive line blocking scheme. You have a brain
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Speaker 2: new offensive scheme, and you got new coaches, So there's
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Speaker 2: a lot to sift through. Roles are going to develop
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Speaker 2: through OTAs, particularly once the veterans come in. Then you
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Speaker 2: get a better idea of what it looks like. If
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Speaker 2: you're the coaches, once you get to training camp, when
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Speaker 2: you could have live contact that's a big deal, then
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Speaker 2: you're going to get a much better idea of where
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Speaker 2: these guys are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's so unlike quarterback and tight end and
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Speaker 1: running back. Right, there's so many Not only is there
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Speaker 1: the offensive line, but there's three different positions on it,
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Speaker 1: and then backups who sort of specialize in certain positions.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot to sift through here. Let's start
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Speaker 1: off with the starters because it's a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a quicker conversation. There's really no competition, uh for the starters,
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Speaker 1: But I do want to throw a caveat question in
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Speaker 1: there for you. We know the starters are my Lotta
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Speaker 1: and Lord and Lane Johnson a tackle. We know Cam
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Speaker 1: Jurgens is the starting center. We know Landon Dickerson's left guard,
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Speaker 1: and Tyler Stein's right guard. So here's my question to
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Speaker 1: ponder for you see what you think about it. Uh,
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Speaker 1: there's no competition here for the starting spots. But to me,
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Speaker 1: Tyler Steen does enter year four, he doesn't have a
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Speaker 1: contract extension. I do wonder is there anybody that the
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Speaker 1: Eagles are brought in over the last three years who,
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Speaker 1: if they have a really good camp, you can see
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Speaker 1: pushing Stein into an end of camp trade to make
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Speaker 1: room for.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, okay, if Michael Morris shocks the
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Speaker 2: world right and they do, we'll have to see which
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Speaker 2: guard spot they're gonna line him up at. If he
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Speaker 2: just skyle, he's got a long way to go. Uh,
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Speaker 2: there's a reason why he's a six round pick technique
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Speaker 2: and so forth. Yeah, I mean, on the surface, no,
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Speaker 2: there should not be any competition. How he made it
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Speaker 2: clear who the start was going to be at the combine.
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Speaker 2: What we said is let's get through the draft first.
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Speaker 2: Before that we stamp at and you could you could
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Speaker 2: pretty much stamp it. The question is really simple in
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Speaker 2: terms of the guard spot, who's the first guy off
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Speaker 2: the bench, Like they don't have that guy right now?
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Speaker 2: That that to me is a big concern. If Dickerson,
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Speaker 2: who gets hurt a lot, gets if he's hurt again,
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Speaker 2: like what are they going to do? Like, who's that
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Speaker 2: guy right now? They don't have that swing guard? Like
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Speaker 2: Drew Kennell is a center who can play guard. That's
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Speaker 2: the way the league sees him. They feel really good
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Speaker 2: about him being jurgens backup. That's fine. Willie Lampkin is
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Speaker 2: a could play guard, he could play center. A lot
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Speaker 2: of teams don't think he could play in the NFL
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Speaker 2: because he's too short. Well he's got he's got a shot,
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Speaker 2: because right now, who's the back top backup guard.
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Speaker 1: See that's where I would I would say I would
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Speaker 1: probably bank on Kendall being able to do it because
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Speaker 1: of his size over Lampkin, who's so short, I like
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Speaker 1: five to nine. I just don't know. Yeah, he's a
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Speaker 1: he's a short dude. I know he's powerful, but he
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Speaker 1: has no playing experience. If Jeff Staltlin were still the
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Speaker 1: offensive line coach, I could probably sit here and talk
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Speaker 1: you into the fact that the same things being said
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Speaker 1: about Kendall now or what was said about Cam Jurgen's
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Speaker 1: coming out of college. He was a tight end then
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Speaker 1: a center. He had never played guard. He's not exactly
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Speaker 1: very big, but those two he wound up playing right
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Speaker 1: guard for a year when no one really thought of
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Speaker 1: anything as other than a center, because that was his
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Speaker 1: only experience and that's where his size projected. But Stoutlin
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Speaker 1: made it work if he were still the offensive line coach.
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Speaker 1: I think I could make an argument for why Kendall
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Speaker 1: could make it work at guard in a similar way.
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Speaker 1: But I would say Jurgens is a way better athlete
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Speaker 1: much yeah, as I say better athlete, stronger athlete. I
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Speaker 1: just so I'm agreeing with you. I think the only
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Speaker 1: I think Mike and Morris would have to really knock
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Speaker 1: people's socks off to be considered the top backup infim,
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Speaker 1: they don't have one. They don't have one, right That was.
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Speaker 2: The whole point. They just don't have that guy right now,
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Speaker 2: that that's a it's actually a very big concern, very
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Speaker 2: big concern. Now those concerns could be alleviated un lessened
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Speaker 2: if they start working Kenmelmore. They already know what he
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Speaker 2: is as the center. They feel pretty good about it.
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Speaker 2: If they work them in training camp quite a bit
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Speaker 2: and it and it starts to look pretty good. He
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Speaker 2: holds his own where they go. You know what, maybe
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Speaker 2: we'll just hold off on that veteran guard. You know,
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Speaker 2: maybe they hold off on that and you like that
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Speaker 2: guard by the way, he pretty much if they bring
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Speaker 2: a veteran and he's got to be able to play
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Speaker 2: both left and right guard, he can't just be one side.
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Speaker 2: You just can't do that.
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Speaker 1: Right. So, if you're the Eagles, right and you're Chris
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Speaker 1: Cooper and you've got to come up with a second
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Speaker 1: string offensive line for the first week of OTAs, are
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Speaker 1: you playing Drew Kendall at center and then making Micah
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Speaker 1: Morris a guard, in Holland Pierce a guard or Willy
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Speaker 1: Lampkin a guard, or are you playing Willy Lampkin at
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Speaker 1: center so that you can give Drew Kendall some right
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Speaker 1: guard second team reps to see if he can cross
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Speaker 1: train and handle it. I think that's a fair question
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Speaker 1: and something I'd be interested in seeing what they do.
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Speaker 2: Once the veterans get you know, once we get into
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Speaker 2: particularly mandatory OTA, you'd really because that's the last practice,
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Speaker 2: but those are the last practice before trading camp starts
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Speaker 2: and they're off for five and a half weeks. I
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Speaker 2: would think they would cross train, it'd start cross training
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Speaker 2: a little bit with Lampkin because he could do both.
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Speaker 2: Just get an idea because the guy didn't play last season.
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Speaker 2: Just get an idea of where he's at. Because if
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Speaker 2: you really look at it, right, this is what the
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Speaker 2: show's about. We kind of give you what we know
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Speaker 2: about how the league sees these players. And Lampkin guard center,
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Speaker 2: Kendall guard center, Holland Pierce is playing a tackle who
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Speaker 2: if you absolutely have to, could play guard, which they
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Speaker 2: did a little bit of a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Of working hard last year a little bit, right.
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Speaker 2: A little bit. I watched it, a little bit of
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Speaker 2: guard and drinking. He's just he's that's a Stout special there, right,
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Speaker 2: Like that That's the thing we don't know about this
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Speaker 2: new offensive line coach, right, Stout sees big guys a
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Speaker 2: lot of them being able to play guard, where a
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Speaker 2: lot of coaches don't see that. Like that's that's what
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Speaker 2: you miss about having Stalin here, his ability to see
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Speaker 2: things that others don't see, even front offices. You know,
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Speaker 2: most front offices don't see Holman Piers as a guard.
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Speaker 2: Is that how long he is?
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Speaker 1: Yep?
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Speaker 2: You know. So that's something we're going to have a
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Speaker 2: keen eye on because they it's great now that they
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Speaker 2: have all these young linemen. This is what we've talked
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Speaker 2: about for a couple years, worthy development offensive lineman. They've
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Speaker 2: got them now, that's not the problem. The problem is
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Speaker 2: how do they fit and how could they perform? They
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Speaker 2: don't know that yet. They're gonna find out.
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Speaker 1: Just to let people understand. I know we've talked about
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Speaker 1: it before, but Holland Pierce, despite the fact that he
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Speaker 1: did cross train a little guard. We saw it last year.
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Speaker 1: He is six eight, three hundred and forty one pounds,
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Speaker 1: eighty eight and a quarter inch wingspan. We have gone
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Speaker 1: on and on about that, thirty six inch arms and
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Speaker 1: surprisingly his hands are under ten inch, but they're close.
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Speaker 1: It's like nine and seven eighths or something like that.
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Speaker 1: So he has absolute tackle, body, tackles, tackle, everything that
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Speaker 1: you want. But we know that Staltlin likes to cross train.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you're you're hitting this on
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Speaker 1: the head. Well, we have no idea. I Chris Cooper
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Speaker 1: is gonna look at this guy and be like, why
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Speaker 1: is he Why are we working? He's a tackle, He's
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Speaker 1: got a tackle his body and I don't know that
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Speaker 1: he did any of the athletic testing. I'm looking for
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Speaker 1: it now to see if you like, I ran some
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Speaker 1: kind of athlete that he was piers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, at the combine, he did not. He did not. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: six eight and three eighths of an inch. Okay, so
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Speaker 2: just under six foot nine, right, three forty one. Now
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Speaker 2: he needs to build his body up. We were told
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Speaker 2: thirty six inch arms, which is crazy. Eighty eight and
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Speaker 2: a quarter wingspan nine and seven eighths is not small,
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Speaker 2: but side you would think his hands would be like
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Speaker 2: ten and a half. They're not. But his thing was
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Speaker 2: filling out his body in terms of getting like dropping weight,
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Speaker 2: getting stronger, Stronger is not being three haiti stronger is
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Speaker 2: technique wise. Grecols talking about this with Jordan Davis. Jordan
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Speaker 2: Davis would make himself smaller when he had a bad technique. Right,
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Speaker 2: Guys who are big, they don't have proper technique make
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Speaker 2: themselves smaller. They don't. They make themselves less strong. So
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Speaker 2: that's just something to watch. But they've got the developmental guys.
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Speaker 2: But the concern is guard Willie Lampkin is a guy
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Speaker 2: a lot of most teams didn't. That's why he wasn't drafted.
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Speaker 2: Biggles told you what they thought. They didn't draft him.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't drafted. They did play them with waivers because
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Speaker 2: they like them. But he's got a long way to
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Speaker 2: go here. It's just something if you will have uh
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Speaker 2: training pre training camp storylines. The who lines up at
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Speaker 2: backup guard is going to be a top five for me.
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Speaker 2: It might not be for other people, sure as hell
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Speaker 2: is for me because with Dickerson's injury, they're they're there
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Speaker 2: are one injury away and who the hell knows how
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Speaker 2: long he'd be out if he gets hurt with his knees. Right,
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Speaker 2: that's a problem. And that's as John Lynch told me
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Speaker 2: for an urge GM. You can't solve every issue and
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Speaker 2: when all season norse should you try? That means you're
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Speaker 2: reaching when you're trying to do everything.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: But this is a big problem considering different injury history,
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Speaker 2: and then you've got the other issues as we get
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Speaker 2: through this lane. Johnson's age and injury history, Cam Jurgen's
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Speaker 2: not age, but his injury history. It's if you want
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Speaker 2: to know how bad they were against the run, look
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Speaker 2: a look at the run blocking. They were just not
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Speaker 2: themselves correct.
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Speaker 1: The only other candidate really inside for at center is
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Speaker 1: Jake Majors. He's a guy who had I think thirty
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Speaker 1: six college starts at Texas. You know, pretty high level
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Texas A and m right high level though
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Speaker 1: SEC football. So he has a lot of experience, and
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Speaker 1: he was on the practice squad last year, but you
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Speaker 1: have the same situation where he is a center by trading.
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Speaker 1: He's i believe, only played mostly center. He might project
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Speaker 1: at center guard, but the vast experience that he has
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Speaker 1: is center.
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Speaker 2: No, no, you're right, Texas. I'm sorry, it is Texas.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, Texas. My bad photo. But here's
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Speaker 2: the thing with him again. He wasn't drafted last year.
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Speaker 2: The Bucks sign was an undrafted free agent. Uh, he
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Speaker 2: had an injury and then they waved him with an
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Speaker 2: injury settlement. Eagles bring him in, spends the entire time
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Speaker 2: on the practice squad. He was not on the fifty three.
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Speaker 2: You don't You just don't know him yet, You really
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Speaker 2: don't know him. It's nice that he could play guard, center,
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Speaker 2: and he did start a lot, but there you always
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Speaker 2: get concerned with a guy who started so many against
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Speaker 2: Why the hell wasn't he drafted? That's the shot. He's
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Speaker 2: got some deficiency that clubs just think is a problem. Yeah,
11:47
Speaker 2: what it is, But that's you know. Now, what's what's
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Speaker 2: funny is despite all that, he was a combine invite
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Speaker 2: e six three and three ace three oh six arm. Okay,
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Speaker 2: here here's part of it. Arms are really short. Yep,
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Speaker 2: he's singing free as my arms. I'm six foot and
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Speaker 2: a half inch. My arms are longer. That's not good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's really that's even short for a center. Right.
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Speaker 1: Why you're not drafted?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he bends twenty five, which is which is good for,
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Speaker 2: you know, an undrafted guy. So the nice thing is
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Speaker 2: they're really young in the backup group and Chris Cooper
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Speaker 2: the clock's the clock's running. Yeah, let me ask you
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Speaker 2: this question. Who is the offensive coach ranked them? Like? Okay, Manion,
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Speaker 2: Aaron moorehead, Chris Cooper, anyone else? Oh? Oh, Ryan mahaffey.
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Speaker 2: They got a lot of new guys. Who's under the
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Speaker 2: most most scrutiny?
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Speaker 1: Oh, man, that's tough. It would have to be man,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's really tough. So let's break it down
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Speaker 1: real quick. We're going off rail. But I like it Morehead.
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Speaker 1: I think Morehead's gonna come under the microscope big time
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Speaker 1: this year with no Aj Brown. He still has talent
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Speaker 1: obviously with DeVante Smith at the first round pick, but
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Speaker 1: it's not the same, so I think that'll be. I
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Speaker 1: think it'll be very interesting year for him, especially since
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Speaker 1: he's adapting to a totally new He's a holdover who's
13:14
Speaker 1: been adapting to a totally new offense. I think that
13:16
Speaker 1: it impacts him more than say Jamal Singleton because I
13:19
Speaker 1: don't know that the running backs have to do something
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Speaker 1: markedly different. Right, The wide receiver is gonna asked to
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Speaker 1: run different routree for sure, so that'll be he's under
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Speaker 1: the microscope. Mahlfey as the tight ends coach. Man, they
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Speaker 1: have so many new guys at that position. Run game
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Speaker 1: coordinator too, Run game coordinator, Yeah, I would, Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: really is the guy. But I don't want to also
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Speaker 1: dismiss Parks Frasier, who's never been a quarterbacks coach. He's
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Speaker 1: gonna naturally come under a lot of scrutiny because he's
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Speaker 1: working with Jalen Hurricane.
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Speaker 2: He's never run a room. He has been assistant quarterbacks coach,
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Speaker 2: but he's never run the quarterback room right, and that's
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Speaker 2: a concern of mine. That but I'm putting Chris Cooper
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Speaker 2: number one.
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Speaker 1: That you know, if we.
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Speaker 2: Put a pall out, I don't know if he'll be
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Speaker 2: a number one, top three, I'm sure, yeah, but I'm
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Speaker 2: putting up one because unfortunately you have to compare him
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Speaker 2: to Stoutlin Stout. Maybe it didn't end well and you know,
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Speaker 2: people want to point the finger on him last year.
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Speaker 2: That's fine, but his ability to develop lineman is legendary.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's incredible. His player development. He's not perfect.
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Speaker 2: He's involved with Andre Dillard. He didn't work, clear didn't work,
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Speaker 2: but more often than not home runs I mean getting
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Speaker 2: BV Big V functional when he had to for Jason
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Speaker 2: petersay slow start, but then he got him going sure
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Speaker 2: and that that was incredible. He got ten million year
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Speaker 2: from the lines because of it. Yeah, he's helped. Uh,
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Speaker 2: it's he's he's he's now Sean Mannion. The tape will
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Speaker 2: tell us what it looks like. If it looks great
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Speaker 2: and it hurts pulling the trigger and passes on time,
14:54
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not a he's on. Of course
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Speaker 2: he's on the microscope in this town, off its coordinators
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Speaker 2: do the math.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the spirit of your question was about the position coaches,
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Speaker 1: because the position coach.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. Yeah, I'm putting I'm putting Chris Cooper
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Speaker 2: because I just had I question the player development in
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Speaker 2: his career and why didn't the Vikings bring him back?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, yeah, No, it's fair, it's fair, and
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Speaker 1: he's got a lot, it's got a lot of different
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Speaker 1: guys to work with here, and he's got to get
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Speaker 1: him As you just mentioned, the clock is ticking. He
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Speaker 1: has to get this group functional and on the same page,
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Speaker 1: playing with continuity right from the start. There's no like, oh,
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Speaker 1: we had a slow start in December, you lose two
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Speaker 1: games in the I'm just sorry to September. You lose
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Speaker 1: a game in September or two, and then that all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, you're how important one game is,
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Speaker 1: whether you're trying to get the division, trying to get
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Speaker 1: the number one seed, trying to get the seventh seed,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is. One game, two games matters in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, great, all right, So let's take a look
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Speaker 1: at the outside the tackle position here from a depth standpoint.
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Speaker 1: They brought back from Johnson. They draft Mark kel Bell
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Speaker 1: in the third round. Really interesting, another huge, huge guy
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Speaker 1: almost in the stout one mold. And then those two
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Speaker 1: guys are part of the mix with the guys they
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Speaker 1: drafted last year. There was Cameron Williams, there's Miles Hitting.
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Speaker 1: So they have a bunch of tackles here. You know,
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Speaker 1: they're trying to find someone that could potentially be a
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Speaker 1: successor to Lane Johnson. Obviously you would think Mark l
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Speaker 1: Bell has the best chance being a third round pick,
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Speaker 1: but even part of him is developmental.
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Speaker 2: Adm Well, his weight, as we were told, Yeah, that
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Speaker 2: was the issue around the league, is his weight. He's
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Speaker 2: moving positions from left to right tackle. The line coaches
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Speaker 2: we talked around the league, they all said the same thing.
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Speaker 2: He's not a left tackle at this level. He's just
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Speaker 2: not based on body type. He's not good enough athlete.
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Speaker 2: But he's competitive as hell, really cares tough minded kid
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Speaker 2: from people got in front him before the draft. So
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Speaker 2: you like that. So the question is, so Fred Johnson
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Speaker 2: is by something unforeseen and he's going to be the
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Speaker 2: backup left tackle. He's really the top swing tackle. He's
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Speaker 2: the backup left right. But on your point, Cam Williams
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Speaker 2: hit some intriguing snaps against Washington in Week eighteen last year.
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Speaker 2: The question is if Cam Williams, if the light goes
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Speaker 2: on for him, if he has a great offseason. I'm
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Speaker 2: not rolling out Williams. I wouldn't say leapfrog. And they
17:31
Speaker 2: don't have a depth chart yet. They'll get one, they'll
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Speaker 2: have one. I just wouldn't rule out that because we
17:36
Speaker 2: know Fred was Lanne Johnson's backup, that that wasn't a question.
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Speaker 2: But you also just have to see how these guys develop.
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Speaker 2: What if Cam Williams makes this incredible jump, you know,
17:47
Speaker 2: so yeah, right, Fred Johnson's clear of the swing tackle.
17:50
Speaker 2: But I'm not rolling out Cam Williams somehow by the
17:53
Speaker 2: end of August, and we'll learn more over the next
17:57
Speaker 2: weeks and months where Kim Williams is in his development.
18:00
Speaker 2: And again, these coaches get these guys to scratch. Chris
18:04
Speaker 2: Cooper doesn't know Fred Johnson, right, one of these guys.
18:07
Speaker 1: Right. That comes back to your point on Cooper, right,
18:10
Speaker 1: I mean with Cameron Williams, you felt that if this
18:14
Speaker 1: kid was gonna have a shot in the NFL, because
18:16
Speaker 1: he already had the traits and the size it was
18:19
Speaker 1: getting somebody to get through to him, and that you
18:22
Speaker 1: felt confident with Jeff stealtlin in and then you saw,
18:25
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he played against Washington had some some
18:27
Speaker 1: probably better than expected reps against them, So you had
18:30
Speaker 1: something to a foundation to build on. Can Chris Cooper
18:33
Speaker 1: come in and motivate Williams to build off that foundation
18:39
Speaker 1: the way you know Staltlan would have done it. I
18:40
Speaker 1: think that's a huge that I could swing a guy's career,
18:43
Speaker 1: to be honest with you.
18:45
Speaker 2: His ability to connect and guys to get to buy in.
18:48
Speaker 2: These players don't know Chris Cooper, so it's kind of
18:52
Speaker 2: it's kind of a wait and see, man, I don't
18:55
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's a good point you made because
18:56
Speaker 2: I didn't really thought about that development part as part
19:00
Speaker 2: of it is reaching your players, get him to buy in.
19:03
Speaker 2: And Fred Johnson's Fred Johnson's interview when he got after
19:07
Speaker 2: he was here a year the interview that he did
19:10
Speaker 2: or maybe was during the season a couple of years
19:12
Speaker 2: ago was phenomenal. You could find on a YouTube and
19:15
Speaker 2: there you know, he was very down on himself and
19:18
Speaker 2: he stout reached him. Yeah, if you able to reach them,
19:21
Speaker 2: and it was a great interview with Fred opened himself
19:23
Speaker 2: up and being being real. It was awesome. I just
19:26
Speaker 2: don't know enough. I'm looking more into Cooper. You know
19:28
Speaker 2: his background, you know, but yeah, the micro He's severely
19:33
Speaker 2: on the microscope.
19:34
Speaker 1: Man.
19:34
Speaker 2: You following the legend, got a lot of young players
19:37
Speaker 2: who needed need to be developed.
19:39
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Speaker 1: so that brings us to Miles Hinton, who you know
23:19
Speaker 1: will probably open as like the third trip. He's left tackle.
23:22
Speaker 1: He played and practiced a left tackle for the Eagles
23:24
Speaker 1: last year. The intel we had on him coming out
23:26
Speaker 1: of Michigan right Stanford Don Michigan. I believe he said
23:30
Speaker 1: he needed to get tougher and stronger and play like
23:34
Speaker 1: a real, you know me, nasty offensive lineman. I remember
23:38
Speaker 1: training because he went on ir shortly after camp. He
23:42
Speaker 1: had some rough reps in the preseason games where you
23:45
Speaker 1: could tell he still needed to work on that strength
23:48
Speaker 1: and that that sort of nastiness that you expect from
23:50
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman and camp. So this will be again
23:54
Speaker 1: sort of a Cooper thing, but also it's not Miles
23:57
Speaker 1: hitting now you're not. You got a bunch of guys,
24:00
Speaker 1: developmental guys around you, So you have to make that
24:02
Speaker 1: step in your career to show that you've developed to
24:05
Speaker 1: have a chance to be on this team, because there's
24:07
Speaker 1: nothing to given at this point for him.
24:08
Speaker 2: Right, we should have mentioned Greg Austin is back. Chip
24:11
Speaker 2: Kelly brought him in here. Wehen Chip was here many
24:14
Speaker 2: many moons ago, and many's back. He's back with stout
24:17
Speaker 2: last season. Now he obviously knows some of these guys,
24:20
Speaker 2: so he has good intel you can give Cooper about
24:22
Speaker 2: what to expect, what I saw, what the tape looked
24:25
Speaker 2: like from my point of view, he's around them all
24:27
Speaker 2: the time for the guys who are coming back, and
24:29
Speaker 2: he also knew about the kids last year. So there's
24:33
Speaker 2: a lot to unpack. Like that's why we're doing this
24:35
Speaker 2: series because so much has changed a lot on offense,
24:38
Speaker 2: there's so much it's different, like the fact that there
24:41
Speaker 2: are then some players who are back. Schemes and philosophy
24:45
Speaker 2: and where they're headed with. This thing is fascinating. It
24:49
Speaker 2: all sounds great, but there's so much mystery because they
24:51
Speaker 2: haven't run this offense before here.
24:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, so well we recap this depth thing. What they
24:57
Speaker 1: really need still, because they have plenty of What they
25:00
Speaker 1: really need is an experienced interior offensive lineman who can
25:04
Speaker 1: come in and they feel good about playing right away
25:07
Speaker 1: because we're not sure they're yet with Kendall, and they'll
25:09
Speaker 1: probably go through OTA's and they may even go through
25:12
Speaker 1: a week or two of camp just to see. But
25:14
Speaker 1: if they were to do that, if they were to
25:16
Speaker 1: sign a veteran interior offensive line, that kicks somebody probably
25:20
Speaker 1: off the roster eventually and onto the practice squad, maybe
25:23
Speaker 1: a Lampkin, maybe the kid that they drafted in the
25:25
Speaker 1: sixth round like Morris.
25:26
Speaker 2: I don't know, well, no, no, Michael, yes, I don't.
25:30
Speaker 2: It's not gonna knock Marris off unless he's bad.
25:32
Speaker 1: But well that's why he's a six round pick. It's possible,
25:35
Speaker 1: but probably not. Probably it would.
25:36
Speaker 2: Probably be really off. He'd have to be so bad,
25:40
Speaker 2: right because you look at the school, you know this
25:43
Speaker 2: is a drafted player. Where's Lampkin and draft him? They
25:46
Speaker 2: obviously were intrigued by him.
25:48
Speaker 1: Lampkin would probably be higher on the.
25:51
Speaker 2: They've got, but they also they got the kids. They
25:55
Speaker 2: have an undrafted free agent Jaden Roberts, Yeah, Jake Majors
25:58
Speaker 2: who we mentioned the plenty of got to But there's
26:01
Speaker 2: a lot of mystery with this thing because so much
26:05
Speaker 2: has changed that offense and they have to put the
26:07
Speaker 2: pieces together.
26:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. And plus to your point,
26:10
Speaker 1: they can also probably bring in a veteran on the
26:13
Speaker 1: practice squad to be elevated, because I'm thinking of it
26:16
Speaker 1: right now and it's too early to do this, but
26:18
Speaker 1: this is for the purpose of depth chart projection intel
26:22
Speaker 1: as it doesn't matter how many they keep. You're gonna
26:25
Speaker 1: have eight active on game day, you're gonna have your
26:27
Speaker 1: starting five, and you're gonna have Fred Johnson six, most
26:30
Speaker 1: likely gonna have Drew Kendall seven. Who is that eighth?
26:34
Speaker 1: Is it Mark hal Bell as a third round pick
26:36
Speaker 1: as a swing as your right tackle if Fred Ronson
26:39
Speaker 1: is your left or do you want someone with a
26:41
Speaker 1: little bit more center guard versatility in that role and
26:45
Speaker 1: do you sign a veteran who has center guard versatility
26:48
Speaker 1: to have them elevated for at least three weeks to
26:51
Speaker 1: play that role. That's what I'm thinking of right now.
26:53
Speaker 1: It's early, but that's where you have to think that
26:56
Speaker 1: way because you have to know what the Eagles need
26:58
Speaker 1: to play in order to play a game. You know,
27:00
Speaker 1: Drew Kendall's not going to become a veteran overnight. So
27:03
Speaker 1: even if he's good and he's part of your eight, Okay,
27:06
Speaker 1: so it's five Kendall six, Fred Johnson seven. Is Mark
27:09
Speaker 1: Helbell ready to be active on game day as a
27:12
Speaker 1: third round pick? That's what they have to find out.
27:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big one. That's a big one. So
27:16
Speaker 2: lots of questions and offenses. We finish off offense. It's
27:22
Speaker 2: fascinating because so many roles are This is the first
27:25
Speaker 2: time in a long time there are a lot of roles
27:28
Speaker 2: that are up for grabs or they have to settle them. Receiver, rotation,
27:34
Speaker 2: backup lineman, who's the first guy in or second guy
27:37
Speaker 2: in if need be running back rolling, third down, tight
27:42
Speaker 2: end rolls. As we went in the previous show. They
27:45
Speaker 2: have so much they can do between eleven and twelve personnel.
27:49
Speaker 2: That's a great thing, but it's got to manifest itself.
27:52
Speaker 2: Into something very highly successful with great coaching, great execution,
27:58
Speaker 2: great buy in by the players. That's the other thing
28:00
Speaker 2: we have to see. You've got a lot of new
28:02
Speaker 2: coaches here, and how much to the players buy him
28:04
Speaker 2: with these guys.
28:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about Marco Bell? Maybe if he's ready to
28:07
Speaker 1: be thrown out there, if he's active on game day,
28:09
Speaker 1: put him out there as an extra offensive lineman in
28:11
Speaker 1: a jumbo pad. I mean, he's huge. Can you imagine
28:14
Speaker 1: putting him next to Lane Johnson and just run the
28:16
Speaker 1: ball to the right side.
28:17
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, you never know. See that's the thing
28:21
Speaker 2: with Chris Cooper, uh and Sean Mannion. You don't know
28:24
Speaker 2: what they're That's something we're not going to know, and
28:27
Speaker 2: that that's something we may see in training camp and
28:29
Speaker 2: we'll certainly make a note of it.
28:30
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, last thing. We do get some funny interactions. Uh.
28:36
Speaker 1: When we did running back, we mentioned no fullback and
28:38
Speaker 1: people some people think that Willie Lampkin is still someone
28:41
Speaker 1: they might consider as a fullback. I don't know. I
28:44
Speaker 1: don't think so, but.
28:45
Speaker 2: People are so because they use lots of it because
28:47
Speaker 2: they there's the Lampkin truthers were funny. They're looking for
28:51
Speaker 2: anything for him to be an Eagle. They're looking for anything,
28:55
Speaker 2: any any formation.
28:57
Speaker 1: It just is.
28:58
Speaker 2: I didn't comment on them during the season because I
29:00
Speaker 2: know where this is headed. Yeah, there was no chance
29:02
Speaker 2: he was going to be active, to play and anything
29:05
Speaker 2: like that. We told folks there's a reason why they
29:08
Speaker 2: claimed him. They want a they liked him be he
29:11
Speaker 2: had multiple years on his deal. They claimed his contract
29:15
Speaker 2: all about the off season. That's exactly where they're at
29:17
Speaker 2: right and.
29:18
Speaker 1: There's a position they've been thin at and they're trying
29:20
Speaker 1: to add to it and see what they can do.
29:22
Speaker 2: His best chances at guard, his best chance he's got
29:25
Speaker 2: to if he can play guard, I'm not rolling it out.
29:27
Speaker 2: Making the team and long term being the top back
29:32
Speaker 2: of guard, that would be pious. That's if like real
29:35
Speaker 2: double sixes. Yeah, reality, it's going to be somewhere below that,
29:40
Speaker 2: significantly below that. But let's see what happens. He you know,
29:42
Speaker 2: he didn't play last season, so let's just see what happens.
29:45
Speaker 1: You know, it used to be tough for us at
29:46
Speaker 1: training camp to really get a gauge on how the
29:49
Speaker 1: linemen were playing because things move so fast, especially in
29:52
Speaker 1: the Chip Kelly era. I can only remember like thinking, oh, yeah,
29:56
Speaker 1: I could tell Andre Dillard it's not playing well because
29:58
Speaker 1: Joshua keeps putting him on his ass. But that was
30:00
Speaker 1: so glaring that you knew because very rarely you see
30:03
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman get put on his back, and that
30:05
Speaker 1: was kind of happening routinely between Sweat and Dillard. But
30:09
Speaker 1: the Eagles recently, Adam, you saw this last year. They
30:12
Speaker 1: have these screens now where they replay, these really long
30:17
Speaker 1: screens where they replay the play that's on the field,
30:20
Speaker 1: and we've been able to look at them and get
30:22
Speaker 1: it better because it's a it's an all twenty two screen, right,
30:25
Speaker 1: you get the you gather from where they're shooting at
30:27
Speaker 1: the tower, and it's been a lot. It's still hard,
30:30
Speaker 1: but it's not easier to see line blocking, line schemes
30:34
Speaker 1: and sometimes even individual line play. So this year we
30:37
Speaker 1: got even more reason to check those screens because there's
30:40
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of competition at those spots.
30:41
Speaker 2: So one more thing. Will Willie Lampkat the typical undrafted
30:45
Speaker 2: free agent deal, they get three year deals, so they
30:48
Speaker 2: have this he has this year and one more so
30:51
Speaker 2: after twenty seven. So you hope that he's you hope
30:55
Speaker 2: that he can be here for a long enough time here,
30:58
Speaker 2: so they could they have some there. Yeah, there's an
31:03
Speaker 2: opportunity for him of all their backup interior linemen, and
31:05
Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of them.
31:07
Speaker 1: M hm.
31:08
Speaker 2: He's got the most upside, no question, for sure.
31:11
Speaker 1: Fun player to watch too. I mean, we saw what
31:13
Speaker 1: little tape that he had last year in the preseason,
31:15
Speaker 1: but it was fun. It'll be interesting guy. He plays
31:18
Speaker 1: a lot of power for a little guy, so it'll
31:19
Speaker 1: be fun. All right. That is it. That is our rat.
31:22
Speaker 1: That pretty much wraps up to the offense. And the
31:24
Speaker 1: next time you hear from us, we'll start going through
31:26
Speaker 1: the defensive depth chart. And that's gonna do it for
31:29
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