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MNF Doubleheader Recap + Week 16 Rookie Draft · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, everybody?
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Buck with you Buck?
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  Speaker 3: We went matching matching sweatshirts today. Yeah are and I
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  Speaker 3: was having the coffee and you're having a coffee here,
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  Speaker 3: So I feel like the brand. Yeah, we are representing
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  Speaker 3: the brand, that's right. But we're kind of on the
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  Speaker 3: same page here this morning. How was your night last night?
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  Speaker 3: Did you get a chance to watch those ball games?
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  Speaker 2: I mean I did have a chance to watch both
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  Speaker 2: of them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in North Carolina hanging with my parents, so I
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  Speaker 1: got a chance to watch the Vikings in Chicago paid
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  Speaker 1: more attention to than the Raiders. I called the end
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  Speaker 1: of the Raiders game for the most part, but it
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  Speaker 1: was interesting the Minnesota Vikings keep rolling the Bears r
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  Speaker 1: ms and oh.
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  Speaker 2: My gosh, job, we're gonna get a job. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: job is gonna be a tougher job than everyone thinks
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  Speaker 2: about it, no doubt.
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  Speaker 3: Mobile for Business. It's interesting read right, there coming into
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  Speaker 3: this game because we start on the bear side of things.
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to think of, like, Okay, all the
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  Speaker 3: different things they need to fix and the problems they
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  Speaker 3: need to solve in the off season, But the number
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  Speaker 3: one thing Buck is they've got to fix the Wi Fi.
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  Speaker 3: They because we've talked about this like that Caleb is
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  Speaker 3: having these freeze moments. Like if you've been on your
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  Speaker 3: Wi Fi and the Wi Fi freezes, that's what's going
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  Speaker 3: on with Caleb. They got to get that out of him. Man,
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  Speaker 3: where he's just like a glitching, He's just kind of stuck.
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  Speaker 3: He's got to get unstuck in the offseason. It's one
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  Speaker 3: of the more it's a weird thing to watch.
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  Speaker 1: A player that you've seen play very fluid become very robotic,
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  Speaker 1: and it's almost as if there were too many voices
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  Speaker 1: in his head, too many people telling them how to play.
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  Speaker 1: And it's one of the things that you worry about
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  Speaker 1: with all players, but particularly players that may be a
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  Speaker 1: little unorthodox in their games. Sometimes they try to conform
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  Speaker 1: to be more of a traditional player, but the traditional
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  Speaker 1: player is not what made them special and set them
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  Speaker 1: apart from their peers, and so You're always dancing that
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  Speaker 1: fine line between Hey, I need you to be traditional
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  Speaker 1: in some aspects, but we love you because of the
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  Speaker 1: different stuff that you bring to the table. Don't deviat
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  Speaker 1: her straight too far from that part of your game,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what separates you from others. It's just really
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  Speaker 1: hard to kind of tell him what to listen to
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  Speaker 1: and what not to listen to when he's trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out how to play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was, you know, just kind of watching
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  Speaker 3: the game, and I was thinking, Okay, he's going to
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  Speaker 3: get hit in the pocket anyways because of a combination
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  Speaker 3: of him holding the ball and them not being great
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  Speaker 3: up front. So if my guy's going to take hits,
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  Speaker 3: I'd rather have him take hits on the other side
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  Speaker 3: of the line of scrimmage, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's why I'm kind of and I know he's
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  Speaker 3: beat up a little bit, but man, I would be
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  Speaker 3: calling more design quarterback runs buck until we kind of
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  Speaker 3: get him kind of out of that little rut that
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  Speaker 3: he's in.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny, and you would hear the quarterbacks talk about
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  Speaker 1: this all the time. Cam Newton and some others would
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  Speaker 1: talk about it, and they're not the same type player,
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  Speaker 1: but gam would talk about he wouldn't relax until he
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  Speaker 1: ran the ball a few times, because when you're at
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  Speaker 1: your when the anxiety is at its highest early in
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  Speaker 1: the game, you kind of need something to settle that down.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know how it was for you, but
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  Speaker 2: for me as a player.
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  Speaker 1: Everything kind of came back to normal after I touched
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  Speaker 1: the ball that first time and got hit. Whether it
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  Speaker 1: was a kickoff return or catching a pass or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of need to get that out of your
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  Speaker 1: system so you can settle down and play. And for Caleb,
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  Speaker 1: I want to get him into his comfort zone as
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  Speaker 1: soon as I can. And so if that's a design
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  Speaker 1: quarterback run early in the series, if that's something where
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  Speaker 1: I put him on the move where he has the
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  Speaker 1: option to maybe utilize his legs, but whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: whoever is the play caller, whoever's the head coach next year,
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  Speaker 1: they need to make sure they find what makes him
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  Speaker 1: tick and what can get him into his comfort zone
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  Speaker 1: right away, because when he's in his comfort zone, he's
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  Speaker 1: a much different player than the uncomfortable player that we'll watch.
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  Speaker 3: Four carries for three yards and those are mostly scrambles,
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember off top of my head designed quarterback
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  Speaker 3: runs in that ball game.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: That was just one of the things I was thinking
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  Speaker 3: trying and loosen him up a little bit. But he's
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  Speaker 3: and it was trike Ma did a good job of
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  Speaker 3: going through it on the broadcast, showing like, hey, you're
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  Speaker 3: at the top of your drop, it's there, take it,
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  Speaker 3: it's wide open, just take it. Yep, he's just kind
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  Speaker 3: of stuck and frozen. He and sometimes look like he's
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  Speaker 3: even looking at it, but he won't he won't pull
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  Speaker 3: the trigger. So and I know he's gone bazillion games
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  Speaker 3: in a row without throwing an interception. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: guess that's something you can build off of, but I'd
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  Speaker 3: rather live with some interceptions and let him play loose
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  Speaker 3: and free and uh and see the guy that we drafted.
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  Speaker 3: But I also think the other point Aikman made, which
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  Speaker 3: was good, was Akman was terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Was rookie year. Team wasn't good. He was terrible. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we saw it with.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen you know, Sam Donald on the other side
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  Speaker 3: of the field go through multiple years of not being
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  Speaker 3: a great player, and now he's in the right spot,
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  Speaker 3: the right fit talked a lot about how he learned
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  Speaker 3: from Kyle Shanahan about defenses. I thought was fascinating, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, Troigman's really good. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how I'm not getting into like ranking broadcasters and people
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  Speaker 3: like this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Don't like that guy. He's really good.
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  Speaker 3: Man like he had some insights in that from his
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  Speaker 3: experience playing the position. I thought it was excellent.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny because everyone has talked about Tom Brady and
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  Speaker 1: some of the other broadcasters, and one I would tell
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  Speaker 1: anybody because you and I have both done it. It's
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  Speaker 1: a much harder deal than anyone can imagine. It is
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  Speaker 1: hard to get nuggets in in a thirty second window
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  Speaker 1: when so everyone understands the mechanics of the thing. The
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  Speaker 1: playback play guy has everything to the snap, and then
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  Speaker 1: once the play is done, the color guy has everything
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  Speaker 1: from the end of the play into the huddle breaks.
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  Speaker 1: And so you have to have your points like dialed in.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be concise, but you have to be
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  Speaker 1: able to be a storyteller within those moments, and it's
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  Speaker 1: hard sometimes to process that all in your head to
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  Speaker 1: get it out and to make it coherent and if
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  Speaker 1: it's a story that needs multiple plays to be able
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  Speaker 1: to continue to pick up where you left off on
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  Speaker 1: the previous play. There's an art to it, which is
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  Speaker 1: why when you talk about Troy Aikman and some of
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  Speaker 1: the other guys that are revered for what they do, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's not something that you can just fall out the
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  Speaker 1: bed and be great at.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no question.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he just provided a lot of perspective and
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  Speaker 3: really hope for Bears fans too. It's like, hey, this
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  Speaker 3: doesn't happen right away for everybody. There's you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: all the tools are in there, all the abilities in there.
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  Speaker 3: They need to get the next hire right, and you
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  Speaker 3: get the right person around him. I know, I know
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  Speaker 3: there's been talking and people have promoted, okay, we should
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  Speaker 3: get Mike Vrabel because of his historical success. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the physicality kind of matches the way they want to play,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in that city in Chicago, to match your environment.
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  Speaker 3: That's been you know that Marcus Freeman's name has been mentioned.
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  Speaker 3: Just a short trip over from Notre Dame. Buck, I'm
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  Speaker 3: normally like, hey, you get the best leader, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's the that's the right coach. And then you can
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  Speaker 3: hire the right coaches around him in this particular situation
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  Speaker 3: because it is a package that must be handled with care.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how they don't hire or an offensive
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  Speaker 3: coach where the voice is not going to change, you know,
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  Speaker 3: where you can have that same system, same voice in
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  Speaker 3: your head for at least you're committing to you know,
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  Speaker 3: most of these coach is going to get three years,
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  Speaker 3: so at least that's a three year full commitment to
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  Speaker 3: some stability around Caleb Williams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really hard because, look, I think there's so
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  Speaker 1: many things that the Bears have to fix beyond the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying about the stability and the
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  Speaker 1: continuity that you're guaranteed if the head coach is the
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  Speaker 1: play caller or is an offensive mind where he's bringing
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  Speaker 1: his own playbook and those things. I just wonder when
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  Speaker 1: you're the Bears and they've tried that a few different times.
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  Speaker 1: They try to remark trustsmen, they try to Matt Nagget,
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  Speaker 1: They've tried it in other iterations. It's such a hard job,
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  Speaker 1: and it appears that there's so many people who have
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  Speaker 1: kind of their hands in the cookie dough. I think
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  Speaker 1: you have to get the best leader, and if you
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  Speaker 1: can get the best leader who is offensive centric, then
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  Speaker 1: that'd be great.
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  Speaker 2: I just think it's a really really hard job, and
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Kayla Williams is there, but he's kind of there as
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  Speaker 1: a backdrop to all the other issues that must be
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  Speaker 1: fixed before the Bears can be really, really good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, there are a whole host of issues there.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, the other side of things, Minnesota's not
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  Speaker 3: done in this division. I mean we think about the
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  Speaker 3: big picture. Shoot, it's all right in front of them.
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  Speaker 2: It's all right in front of them.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the thing about the NFL season and
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  Speaker 1: why it's really a marathon and not a sprint. Whereas
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  Speaker 1: great as the Detroit Lions have been for the majority
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  Speaker 1: of the regular season, they could be a team that
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  Speaker 1: limps into the postseason because injuries take them apart, and
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  Speaker 1: the team that goes into the playoffs is not the
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  Speaker 1: team that we saw for most of the year. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings have been relatively big injury free.
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  Speaker 2: You had Derris Shaw, he's going down.
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  Speaker 1: You've had some other bumps and bruises, but for the
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  Speaker 1: most part, their core guys are there, and when you
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  Speaker 1: look at them, it appears that they're playing better and
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  Speaker 1: better each week, which is really a testament to the
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  Speaker 1: coaching and that stuff. To me, the MINUSESO Vikings are dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: Their legitimate threat to unseat the Detroit Lions as the
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  Speaker 1: top the division leader, and if they win and they're
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  Speaker 1: able to kind of like make their way to even
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  Speaker 1: home field. Very very difficult team to deal with because
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  Speaker 1: koc in the offense is rolling, and then Brian Flores
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  Speaker 1: and the aggressive defense poses a bunch of different problems. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're right keeping eye on in Minnesota Vikings because they
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  Speaker 1: definitely are coming.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like we've been kind of the bad news
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  Speaker 3: brigade here when it comes to the Lions.
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  Speaker 2: Just it is what it is. I mean, you're coming
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  Speaker 2: off of a tough.
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  Speaker 3: Loss, You've had all these injuries and Buck, what was
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  Speaker 3: the matchup we've been talking about that was like, Man,
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  Speaker 3: the one that that I wouldn't love if I were
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  Speaker 3: them is the Rams. So if you're the Detroit Lions
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  Speaker 3: and Minnesota comes and they beat you in that game,
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  Speaker 3: I believe it's the last week of the season.
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  Speaker 2: You're the fifth seed.
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  Speaker 3: You're not only going to you're not only playing the Rams,
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  Speaker 3: You're playing the Rams on the road.
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  Speaker 2: You're not playing the Rams at home.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's that is a tough matchup for them as
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  Speaker 3: the teams are constituted presently.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's not that a great matchup. It's certainly
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  Speaker 1: not something that you want to see. And I'm telling
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  Speaker 1: you the two things they worry about the Detroit Lions.
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  Speaker 1: And I am the biggest Dan Campbell fan that you
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  Speaker 1: can find out there. I'm worried a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: the risk taking. I understand the identity. I understand how
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  Speaker 1: you built the team, and I understand all of those
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  Speaker 1: things like all gas, no breaks, whatever, the iteration of
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  Speaker 1: being aggressive is. However, I want you to be aggressive,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't want you to be reckless. And I
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  Speaker 1: think sometimes he board his own recklessness when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to the decision making beyond side kick in that game
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  Speaker 1: with twelve minutes left, little reckless. Some of the gambles
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  Speaker 1: that they take on when they go for it on
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  Speaker 1: their own end of the field a little reckless. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say that I judge him based
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  Speaker 1: on the result, but I do worry in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: where really more games are lost in one because the
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  Speaker 1: mistakes are magnified. I just worry about him and the
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  Speaker 1: decision making in those pressure moments when he's just so
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  Speaker 1: apt to go for it. On top of them not
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  Speaker 1: having look a full lineup, a complete lineup, that really
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  Speaker 1: made them different than the other teams in the division.
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  Speaker 3: I've never asked you this question, but I was thinking
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  Speaker 3: about because you you've brought up concerns on Sirianni, and
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  Speaker 3: we talked about that, right, how Sirianni has a little
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  Speaker 3: edginess to him. Buck I'm learning out like he wants
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  Speaker 3: even keel, he wants a steady hand at the wheel.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't want the emotional.
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  Speaker 3: So so then and then now Dan Campbell, you voice
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  Speaker 3: your concerns on Dan Campbell being overly aggressive. So when
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking about the coaches that you've been around, like,
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  Speaker 3: because I think of Marty Schottenheimer's emotional like Edgy Kauflin
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  Speaker 3: the unique how he how he operates, but I think
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  Speaker 3: there's an energy and him, and then I think of
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  Speaker 3: Mike Holmgren and from the outside looking at it seems
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  Speaker 3: like that's just like a steady, calm presence. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: curious what your what your take is on the coaches
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  Speaker 3: you've been around and what has given you this perspective,
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  Speaker 3: Because I do like Buck, I know you well enough
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  Speaker 3: to know that I think that you prefer somebody just
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  Speaker 3: be hey, let's even keel, let's not get too big.
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  Speaker 2: So so I mean, man, we can talk about it. Man.
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  Speaker 1: My high school coach was edge, but he was consistent.
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  Speaker 1: You knew what you were getting every day. Mac Brown
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: Are very even keelled.
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  Speaker 1: When it came to his emotional ups and downs, I
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  Speaker 1: would say Marv Levy, Hall of Fame coach in Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: very even keel.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Honggrin was more of a cerebral coach.
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  Speaker 1: He could explode, but he still kind of thought of
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  Speaker 1: the game a little differently. I would say for all
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  Speaker 1: the things that Tom Coughlin was in terms of like
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  Speaker 1: not emotional but a disciplinarian in those things, I felt
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  Speaker 1: like there was an emotional maturity about him when he
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  Speaker 1: approached the game. Marty Schottenheimer was by far the most
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  Speaker 1: confident coach that I've ever been around. But Marty is
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  Speaker 1: the one that I coined the phrase like more games
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  Speaker 1: are lost than one, because he would talk about that
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  Speaker 1: He would talk about, guys, if we just take care
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  Speaker 1: of the things that we can control, nobody would beat us.
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  Speaker 2: Most teams can't beat us. We'll just wait for them
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  Speaker 2: to implode.
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  Speaker 1: He was like that, and I felt like his fatal
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  Speaker 1: flaw was in San Diego. He tried to prove to
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  Speaker 1: people that he is a risk taker, and so he
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  Speaker 1: would take he's risk in the postseason. I'm like, that's
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  Speaker 1: who you really have pretended to be. And then John Gruden,
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  Speaker 1: it was his first year as a head coach. He
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  Speaker 1: was a little more emotional on that.
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  Speaker 2: But you may be right.
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  Speaker 1: The guys that I've been most influenced by as a
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  Speaker 1: coach were more not flatlined from an emotional standpoint, but
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  Speaker 1: when it came to risk taking, maybe they were a
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  Speaker 1: little more risk adverse than some of the others.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think it's interesting, man.
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  Speaker 3: We just kind of look at who the influences were
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  Speaker 3: because I think about kind of some of the coaches
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  Speaker 3: that I've been around, and it was Jerry Moore when
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  Speaker 3: I was in college, was just steady. You know, he's
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  Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame coach, but he was not too
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  Speaker 3: high or too low. He was very under control, calm,
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  Speaker 3: never really raised his voice ever.
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  Speaker 2: Ever.
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  Speaker 3: Then, you know, I think about when I was in
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  Speaker 3: college in Northeast Louisiana. Ed Zombrecker was the head coach there,
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  Speaker 3: but he had a lot of he is more he
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  Speaker 3: blew up on me a few times, but there was
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  Speaker 3: he was kind of a little more even.
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  Speaker 2: But then coaches around.
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  Speaker 3: Him, he had a lot of volatility like around him
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  Speaker 3: that way. And then we get Billick was high emotion.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he tapped into the passion of the defense.
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  Speaker 3: So he brought a lot of energy, confidence, you know,
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  Speaker 3: bravado like that was kind of.
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  Speaker 2: His his deal.
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  Speaker 3: And then I had Andy Reid who was you know,
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  Speaker 3: very even keel and Romeo Crenell who never raised his voice.
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  Speaker 3: So it is interesting how the different coaches.
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  Speaker 2: So it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: So Andy Reid was an assistant coach in Green Bay
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  Speaker 1: when I was there. He was the tight ends coach
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  Speaker 1: in the quarterbacks coach, and he was in charge of
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  Speaker 1: the scout team.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: And I can see that and DJ.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: So the common threa between all those guys, like for me,
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: coaching Hall of famers or Super Bowl winners, and so
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: you start thinking about like what wins and what wins
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: in the pick. There has to be a level of
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: calmness to your demeanor that you can make big decis
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: visions under pressure. And what I worry a little bit
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: about Dan Campbell and Nick Sirianni sometimes they're so emotional
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: that I wonder if the emotion drives the decision making
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: and what you would.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: Like to do.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: And this is something that Bill Washer said, Man, most
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: of your decisions should be made throughout the week. So
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: when you come to the situation, just look at your
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: sheet and say, hey, here's how we're going to approach it.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: There shouldn't be this, Hey, let's draw it up in
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: the dirt and go because most of the time those things,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: as much as we like to think about the novelty
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: of making adjustments and all that, a lot of that
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: should be already thought out when you're calm and cool
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: and you just make a decision that's been thoroughly researched
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: and you go with it. I just worry about Dan
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Campbell because of the risk tape. For Nick Sirianni, I
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: just worry about the emotional stuff creating chaos on the
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: sideline where they can't think. Because it already seems like
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia is chaotic with their team. I just worry about
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni point a little kerosene I seen on.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: It making it explode.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: But I say that in recognizing that Nick saiir Janni's
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: won a lot of games.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Man, his record is.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: One of the best records that you'll find for a
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: young coach that has taken over a program.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: This is a little different.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: So so let me ask you this because I was
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: thinking about this the other day with uh when we
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: were talking about Fangio and how Fangio has worked there
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: and didn't work in other places, you know, and so
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: it's the right having the right kind of kid. What
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: do we always joke about where all Phillies players come
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: from Georgia and Alabama.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Where they're used to that, where they have been mother,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: mother and trucks.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Since you say they stepped on campus, that furnace, that furnace,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: they've lived in that furnace, and they know how to
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: respond to that.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I never thought about that, but DJ, you are right
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: when you bring that up.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Because one of the things and one of the things
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: that we talked about when we go back to scouting,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: like why you take players from winning programs and championship
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: programs or whatever. Part of that is like the pressure
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: that they've been under and playing in those big games.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: But when you think about Alabama and Georgia, and I know,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: like there's so many rules and restrictions in terms of
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: what you can ask players now. But you remember when
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: we talked about horror coaching and when you ask guys like, hey,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: what's the best way to coach you? Is to walk
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: through visualization, yelling, screaming, horror coaching. The Georgia, the Philadelphia team,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys they need horror coaching. Guys they're
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: respond to the horrid coaching because that's how Kirby Smart
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: goes about doing his business. He loves them up well man,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: him and Nick Sabeman coached them hard.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: To coach them hard, no question.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: So again, I think that's part of the scouting process
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: is finding kids that match you're building and Howie Roseman
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: has done a great job of that. All Right, that's
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• 18:02
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• 18:09
  Speaker 3: to spend a ton of time on it. I wasn't
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't super fired up to watch this game,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: and I kind of got a reason why after seeing
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: what went down there.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Ugly, ugly game Atlanta and the Raiders.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ugly game and a lot of conversation coming out
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the game is gonna be Kirk Cousins, right, Kirk Cousins
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: didn't have another had struggled through another performance.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: One and twelve yards? Yeah, I mean interception not playing well.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: My thing is this, though, DJ Right, Because people have
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: talked about Michael Pennocks being in the bullpin, I think
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: is are we going through a rookie quarterback in the
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: middle of the thick of the playoff races.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: To be like, okay, Mike, let's go get him to me.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: This is something that if you're having those thoughts, don't
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you want to give him a run up before yes,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: to get into those elimination games and those pressurized games.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: There's no acclimation period for Michael Pennix. If you put
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: him in the game right now, we're expecting him to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: be ready right now, And I don't know if that's
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: fair to a young quarterback to throw them right into
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: deep end.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: No, I it's getting to the point, man, where it's like,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I know the plans, I know what you want to do,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: but it's you know, we got Christmas coming up, man,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: and it's like having that package that you can see
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: it right over there in the corner of the room.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious what's in that package, you.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Like that that's to the point
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: where they are.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: You know, I think, listening to Raheem's comments postgame, we're
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: getting close to open in that package. I don't think
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: they wanted to. I don't think that was their plan.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: They were going to wait till Christmas. But here we are,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and that thing's you know, they think maybe I like,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: maybe that's a little maybe there's a bike in there.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I take that thing around the block a little bit,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: go play with my friends. I don't off that package
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: is going to stay on open much longer.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Buck.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: So here's what I can say. And I don't think
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I will out anybody when I say this. So the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Jaguars played the Atlanta Falcons in pre season. Michael Penix
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: didn't play. But I had a chance to go down
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: there because I know some guys on the coaching staff
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and some of the supporting staff, and I was able
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to put them something, Hey, man, what's the skinny.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, off the record, Yeah, Michael Penix's a
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: lot of a lot of role.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: So then in pregame what they did because Michael Pennix
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: didn't play, so they do those guys had to do
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: kind of like what you'll see the Philadelphia Eagles when
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the Eagles have inactives, their guys come out in pregame.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: That's another practice. That's a rigorous workout.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: It's not all almost said on the side and and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: eat Swedish fish.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And chill out.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And let me just tell you, Michael Pennix and the
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: ball coming out as he's throwing routes on the doors,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: it got a little little juiced to it, and you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: can just see what.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Everyone was excited about.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Now, it's different when you put bodies on the field,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: but in a simulated game, they told me he.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Lit it up.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of positivity about him. It's just, man,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: we're gonna drop him. We're gonna drop him. But I mean,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I think I've told you this story about my kids
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: learning how to swim. So my son, my son learned
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: there's this guy, mister Conrad. You're making guy this and that,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and he guaranteed I can teach your son how to
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: swim in five days. Literally, DJ you take him to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: the pool and he's like, okay, what's your name, Trey?
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, you got to swim from something right
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: in the water.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: My daughter went to a water whisperer and it was
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: like six weeks of sprinkling water on the head.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: He's enough to.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Tell you my son was a stronger swimmer for the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: longest time, and now my daughter can swim now.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: But it's it's a different thing.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: And so maybe maybe, just maybe they'll just take Michaels
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh yeah, what's that on your Yeah, give.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Me the floaties. Right, we just kind of figured out.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, man, like that's it just feels like
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: the temperatures changing in the room a little bit on
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: that whole decision, and whatever your plans were, they might
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: be a change in here, especially as you know, as
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Tampa's playing really really well, so and.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Tampa's playing Tampa's playing so well the good thing for
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the Falcons is they won both of those games. And
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I would say that the Thursday night game, Man Tampa's
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: gonna root today. They let them come back and kind
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: of steal that one in the end because they out
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: played the Falcons for three and a half quarters and
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: they allowed the Falcons to swipe one.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: But yeah, man Tampa's coming and they come.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: In like a bear, and the Falcons have to figure
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: out a way that they're not scoring enough points, they're
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: not productive or explosive. Maybe Michael Pennix gives them a
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: little juice, but once you go to them, ain't no
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: turning back, no question yep. Now it's you can't drown.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: You got to find a way to get up to
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the surface because you're not going back. One thing on
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the Raiders and uh and then we'll move on to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the rookie draft. But I was just thinking about it
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: with Tom Brady's presence there in that organization, could I mean,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: this is going to be unlike anything we've ever seen.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: If they have the first pick, you're going to have
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time, who I would imagine
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: is going to be I mean, I would imagine you'll
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: be zooming with these kids all the time.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: He's going to be doing watching film with them. He's
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: going to go work them out, spending all kinds of
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: time with them. Hey, Like I think of like if
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: you've seen Brady, like his notebooks of preparation that he has,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Like Tom Brady's gonna, hey, show me your notebook, Like
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: what have you been doing in college? Like show me
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: how your preparation? What that looks like on paper? Like
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: that's going to be fascinating to see how how involved
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: he is in this process and what Tom Brady values
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: does he is he looking for himself or is he
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: looking for someone? You know, this may be more quote
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: unquote a modern quarterback that can really move like and
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I'm just looking at Shadoor versus cam Ord. Those are
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: two totally different types of guys. Sure is more tom
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Brady like going to sit in the pocket, read it out,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and while cam Ward has got some more spice to him,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: he can create, make some more plays with his legs,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: and he's got more he's got more firepower.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: So that's going to be interesting. Man, It's gonna be
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: interesting debate.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: And I will say this, and you know it's funny
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: because I would like to think, and man, I love
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: everything that Tom Brady represents six round pick, like making
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: his way and becoming the greatest quarterback that we've ever seen.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: The thing is, it's hard for great players sometimes to
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: be able to identify other great players. We saw John
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Elway struggle with that for a long time. He is
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: one of the more decorated quarterbacks in the National Football League.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And they had a hard time finding.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: At Weiler and Drew.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I mean they yeah, they found they had a hard
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: time finding a quarterback in the draft. Tom Brady, I think,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: can be a great resource, can be a great guy.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: He can kind of help have those conversations, but there's
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: no guarantee. And I think the thing that the Raiders
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: have to do after they make whatever decisions they make
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: at the end of the season, at some point the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Raiders have to sit in whatever decision they make. They
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: cannot continue to keep turning over coaches and personnel in
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: those things and think that they're going to be good.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Consistency and stability is the only way that you have
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to rise to the top. This is a
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: huge decision that they'll make if they have the number
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: one overall pick, if they getting a quarterback, because man,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: they haven't DJ rich Gannon was the last time they've
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: had a big time quarterback like rich Gannon.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I mean just maybe one of their carr had one
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: or two good years in there, one or two good years.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about big time quarterback.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, so this is this is a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: huge decision, and if you don't have a quarterback, you
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: don't have a chance.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: And so they got to get this right.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure Tom Brady's involvement will help them make
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the decision on whichever quarterback they pick at the top
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: of the draft.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to be interesting. Man, Let's get to
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: this rookie draft. Last week, I mean, we at least
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: cut in a little bit, got one point off Rhett,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: and he's still in a little bit of a runaway position.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Here we're gonna try and reel him in. Rehets in
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: first place. Here, we're battling behind him here, Buck today,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: it looks like I believe I have the first pick,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: So it's gonna go me and you then Rhett. So
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Rhett has given his board his little rankings to Nobile,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: so Nobill will throw his picks in the chat I'll
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: start us off. I'm gonna do what I what just
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: about all of us have done when we've had the
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: first overall pick. I'm gonna go Jaden and Daniels with
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: the first pick. I know they play Philly, but that
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: game is at home, and that is a rivalry game,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: and uh, I think he'll I think he'll he'll acclimate
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: quite well there, even against that defense.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Jayden Daniels with the first pick. Europe.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, uh is this one where we got running back?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So is the two wide receivers?
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: You can do?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: You can do, you can take. It's a whatever skill
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: player you can go. Right, I'm gonna take Okay, I'm
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: gonna take the offensive rookie of.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: The brock Bowers.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Oh nice, Okay, No, Bill is going to pick for
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Rhett here. He's got back to backer for Rhett. He's
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: gonna go betj excellent and he's gonna go lad McConkey.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: What are we doing, neb you? What about that man
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: taking two wide receivers? I don't like that. DJ. Who'd
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: you take number one overall? Who's you got? I took
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Jade Daniels, so you are up? Okay?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I need to take a quarterback at some point. I
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: guess I'm haav to take bow Knicks right now. I'm
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: gonna take bow Nicks right now with this pick.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, you're going bow Nicks. I'll tell you what I'm
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: gonna do.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Uh with your namesake, because I
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: saw him up close. Bucky Irving went off last week,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: so I'm gonna go Bucky Irving, and then I'm gonna
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: also come back with Uh.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Let's see who who.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Gosh, it's so hard to go with the Giants players
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: just because they're so bad, but I'm gonna have to
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: stick with you. They play the Falcons on the road,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I'll go Neighbors.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, So when you go Neighbors, I'm gonna go Marvin Harris.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: So hold out, you got you got Rhett No, No, yeah,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: you're up. You're going Marvin Marvin.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Okay. Then Rehet's got his last pick. He's going Drake May.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: There you have it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: So I've got Jaydon Daniels, Bucky Irving, and Uh Malik Neighbors.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Bucky is coming with Bowers, bo Nicks and Marvin Harrison Junior.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Rhett has Brian Thomas Junior, Lad McConkey and Drake May
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: So we'll see if we can cut into this lead
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: a little bit. We've run out of time to catch
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: him here, but hopefully we can. We can reel him in.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: All right, Buck, that's gonna do it for us today.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow with another fresh episode. We'll see
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: it right here on.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Move the sticks.