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Mix 106.3's Real Estate Show - 19/09/26 · The Real Estate Show

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  Speaker 1: Cam and Renee's real estate show on Mix 106.3. Step
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  Speaker 1: into stylish, low-maintenance living in Canberra's inner north. Deberg by
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  Speaker 1: JW Land. Well, Cam, we really enjoyed the Mix 106.3
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  Speaker 1: real estate show that we did on the weekend, and
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  Speaker 1: now we're going to get to relive it through the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to JW Land and Michael Yardney, CEO of Metropole
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  Speaker 2: Property Strategists, talked about the looming interest rate decision that is,
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  Speaker 2: will be made. and the implications that that has. But
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  Speaker 2: we also spoke about the fact that on the ground,
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  Speaker 2: not all agents and the agencies are seeing what is
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  Speaker 2: being reported in the media.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. And so we'll see what happens over the
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  Speaker 1: coming months with interest rates and catch up with him again.
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  Speaker 1: But always an interesting conversation with Michael. And we had
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  Speaker 1: a really, really interesting conversation with Stuart Barnes from First
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  Speaker 1: National Real Estate about whether you could be, if you're
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  Speaker 1: being recorded when you're at an open home camp.
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  Speaker 2: So we know in today's smart homes, there's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: smart doorbells with screens and microphones and there's close circuit
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  Speaker 2: television and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And so as you come through in an open home.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Who's listening? Who's watching?
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  Speaker 1: And what are they doing with that information?
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  Speaker 3: And it turned out that it's not the real estate agents.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's the vendors.
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  Speaker 1: Cheeky, cheeky, cheeky. Anyway, it was really interesting to find
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  Speaker 1: out kind of what is happening in that space and
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  Speaker 1: what the laws are here in Canberra as well.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: And we also had a really interesting and overdue chat,
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  Speaker 1: I think you and I can agree, about skylights, incorporating
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  Speaker 1: them if you're designing a home or if you want
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  Speaker 1: to put them in a home that's an old one.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so we spoke to Ben Potter, who's a managing
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  Speaker 2: director at Daylight Artistry. Interestingly, he said most of his
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  Speaker 2: work comes from retrofitting places. So people want to have
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  Speaker 2: that light coming into their homes. They've got an older
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  Speaker 2: home and it was never thought of in a design
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  Speaker 2: like 30 years ago.
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  Speaker 3: And now here we are, we're putting them in.
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  Speaker 1: And so we spoke about all the different kinds of
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  Speaker 1: skylights and what's involved. But interestingly, he also talked about
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  Speaker 1: how adding that light into your home, how it can
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  Speaker 1: change people's mood and how they feel and how important
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  Speaker 1: that is.
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  Speaker 2: It was a great conversation with Ben. Right now, that's
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  Speaker 2: what is all ahead of you. Before we get to
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  Speaker 2: it all, let's do this. Mix 106.3's Property Tip of
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  Speaker 2: the Week brought to you by Lister.
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  Speaker 1: People buy with emotion and justify with logic. Help buyers
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  Speaker 1: This tip was brought to you by Lister. Well, Cam,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I'm interested and intrigued by
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  Speaker 1: our next conversation and I always love chatting to this guest,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm also a little bit apprehensive.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And can I just say also, and so Michael won't
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  Speaker 2: know this, but I filled in for Larry doing the
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  Speaker 2: drive shift this week. And so yesterday afternoon, you were
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  Speaker 2: producing and presenting your news bulletins.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I was down in the back studio at Mix
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  Speaker 2: 106.3 and I was.
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  Speaker 3: Yelling at you. Oh, you were yelling at me. And
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  Speaker 3: why was that, Renee?
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  Speaker 2: Because we've already had this conversation off air.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was reporting on a story about... Interest rates.
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  Speaker 1: Interest rates and what many economists are predicting is going
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  Speaker 1: to happen over the next few months. So let's ask
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  Speaker 1: our next guest about that, Michael Yardney, who's the CEO
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  Speaker 1: of Metropole Property Strategists. Michael, good morning.
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  Speaker 6: Good morning, Renee. Well, I don't want to prove you wrong,
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  Speaker 6: but what is your question?
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  Speaker 5: What's going to happen to interest rates?
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  Speaker 6: Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Hit us.
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  Speaker 7: Well, all the four.
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  Speaker 5: Major banks now expect another rate hike before the end
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  Speaker 5: of the year and possibly this coming meeting on the
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  Speaker 5: 28th and 29th.
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  Speaker 6: Of September by the Reserve Bank.
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  Speaker 5: So it's very likely because only a couple of days ago,
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  Speaker 5: the Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bullock mentioned that inflation is
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  Speaker 5: not rising.
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  Speaker 6: Coming under control overseas. The Fed in America raised interest rates.
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  Speaker 5: So yes, not particularly good news for home owners or
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  Speaker 5: people with a mortgage. It's very likely that interest rates
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  Speaker 5: are going to go up at least once and maybe
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  Speaker 5: even twice before they start coming down next year, Renee.
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  Speaker 1: And so what does this mean? Because where we're entering,
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  Speaker 1: we're in the spring selling season. What does it mean
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  Speaker 1: for that, Michael?
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  Speaker 5: Canberra property values fell 1.1% over the last month, in fact, 2.8%
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  Speaker 5: over the last quarter, and it's likely they're going to
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  Speaker 5: stumble a bit more. As consumer confidence wanes, because people
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  Speaker 5: don't like hearing that the mortgages are going up and
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  Speaker 5: what if values drop more, but that's exactly the kind
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  Speaker 5: of sentiment that creates the best buying opportunities, the.
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  Speaker 7: Best I've seen, I guess, in five decades.
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  Speaker 5: We've not had a downturn at all. miserable as this
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  Speaker 5: for a long time. So if you're looking to buy
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  Speaker 5: your new home or an investment property, I wouldn't let
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  Speaker 5: this stop you. I'd actually, if things are on sale,
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  Speaker 5: go out and take advantage of it. Don't try and
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  Speaker 5: be smart and time the market. There's going to be
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  Speaker 5: more listings coming up because you said, yes, it's spring
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  Speaker 5: and that's when more people.
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  Speaker 6: Put their homes on the market.
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  Speaker 7: Just be careful, choose.
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  Speaker 5: The right sort of property and put in your budgets
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  Speaker 5: the ability to cope with an interest rate.
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  Speaker 6: Rise or two, Renee.
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  Speaker 5: Totally.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess, Michael, that's certainly the message we've heard
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  Speaker 1: from other local real estate agents that we've spoken to
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  Speaker 1: on the show, isn't it, Cam? That, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: the time is right in your life to sell and
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  Speaker 1: or buy, then just go ahead and do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of agents that I speak to
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  Speaker 2: that are saying, yes, the market is tricky and the
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  Speaker 2: market is bumpy, but we're still selling. We still have
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  Speaker 2: listings there. So there's still a certain amount of positivity, Michael.
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  Speaker 5: Well, people's lives are still moving on. They're getting married,
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  Speaker 5: they're getting divorced, they're having babies. Look, maybe not in
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  Speaker 5: that autocam.
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  Speaker 7: But basically they get on with their lives and they
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  Speaker 7: have to. So just don't let the government spoil your fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And Michael, there's also been talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all the negative gearing changes and stuff like that. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think that that means? Will that end up
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  Speaker 1: hurting the people that they're meant to help?
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  Speaker 5: Well, the government tinkered with tax and negative gearing, capital
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  Speaker 5: gains tax, and it tends to be helping or hurting,
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  Speaker 5: I should say, the people that they're trying to help
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  Speaker 5: the most, the beginning homebuyer.
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  Speaker 7: But they're also damaging investor sentiment.
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  Speaker 6: Around Australia, rents have kept.
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  Speaker 5: Going up, which is hard for people who want to
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  Speaker 5: get into the housing market eventually, first-home buyers, because they're
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  Speaker 5: usually renting beforehand. Interestingly, the vacancy rate in Canberra rose
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  Speaker 5: to 2.1% over the last month, which is actually.
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  Speaker 6: Up a bit.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, there are more vacancies, 29% more than a
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  Speaker 5: year ago in Canberra. It's now got the highest vacancy
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  Speaker 5: rate in any capital city. Now, to put it in context,
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  Speaker 5: it's still.
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  Speaker 7: Tight, but that actually is better news for Canberra tenants
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  Speaker 7: than elsewhere in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: Because rents are not rising much in Canberra just yet.
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  Speaker 7: But property investors aren't the enemy.
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  Speaker 5: Of the housing affordability problem. They're a huge partner supplying
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  Speaker 5: rental accommodation for all those Australians who need it.
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  Speaker 6: So stop picking on property investors.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Michael, next time we speak to you, the Reserve
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  Speaker 1: Bank would have had made their next call. So it'll
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to see what comes of that and we
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  Speaker 1: can all chat through that together next time we speak
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  Speaker 1: to you. But thank you so much for your time
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  Speaker 1: this morning.
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  Speaker 7: Did I get it right? Did I get it right, Renee?
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  Speaker 7: Was your report correct yesterday?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that is much like definitely along the lines of
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  Speaker 1: what we were saying yesterday, for sure. That's good to know. Yep, yep, 100%.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure Cam wasn't the only one yelling at
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  Speaker 1: me when they were listening to me say that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, well, you have a.
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  Speaker 1: Great weekend, Michael.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Cheers.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Yardney, who's the CEO of Metropole Property Strategists. Well, Cam,
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  Speaker 1: we know lots of people are decking out their homes
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  Speaker 1: with all the high-end tech. There's like all the fancy
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  Speaker 1: cameras and different types of doorbells and all that sort
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  Speaker 1: of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Doors that open by themselves now and all sorts of
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  Speaker 2: cool stuff.
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  Speaker 1: All that sort of stuff. And it's sort of A
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  Speaker 1: question we hadn't thought to ask till just recently, could
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  Speaker 1: that be being used with a bit of a hidden
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  Speaker 1: agenda there? You know, could people be listening via that
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  Speaker 1: tech if you're walking through at an open home or
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  Speaker 1: an inspection or something like that?
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  Speaker 2: Having a conversation with someone and that's being listened to.
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  Speaker 1: And you're saying all the things that you think you're
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  Speaker 1: privately saying to your partner or your friend and... perhaps
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  Speaker 1: it's not so private after all. Let's find out, is
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  Speaker 1: that actually happening and how that's happening? Stuart Bunn from
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  Speaker 1: First National Real Estate. Stuart, good morning.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 6: Hi, Renee. I'm well, thanks. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm good. Thank you. This is super duper interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell us what is, you know, like a
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  Speaker 1: typical scenario where you might walk into an open home
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  Speaker 1: and movements and conversations may be recorded?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think as we all know, there's a lot
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  Speaker 8: more recording devices in Australian homes these days. We have
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  Speaker 8: security cameras, smart doorbells, microphones, and all sorts of connected devices.
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  Speaker 8: They're becoming increasingly common. And sometimes they're being left active
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  Speaker 8: during an inspection or an open home. And of course,
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  Speaker 8: there's a risk that conversations that buyers might be having
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  Speaker 8: in the house might be being listened to by the
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  Speaker 8: homeowner separately.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm going to ask this question with an
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  Speaker 2: element of a personal experience as well. Do you really
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  Speaker 2: think that agents are accessing recordings and listening to conversations
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  Speaker 2: following an open home?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that's going on?
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  Speaker 8: No, that's not the impression we have. But there have
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  Speaker 8: been a number of instances in the last 12 months
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  Speaker 8: where agents selling homes have become aware that the homeowner
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  Speaker 8: has been listening because of conversations that have taken place afterwards.
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  Speaker 8: And on occasion, we've taken inquiries in our national administration
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  Speaker 8: from agents saying, we've had a homeowner talk to us
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  Speaker 8: quite specifically about somebody they saw at their open home,
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  Speaker 8: and it's triggered us to make inquiries about how legal
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  Speaker 8: that is. And there was some recent research that came
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  Speaker 8: out of the United States that found 56% of homeowners
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  Speaker 8: are leaving recording devices active during open homes. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 8: think less than that sort of number is happening in Australia,
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  Speaker 8: and it's most likely more accidental than on purpose. These
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  Speaker 8: devices are probably harder to turn off than they are
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  Speaker 8: to leave on, and people aren't necessarily accessing that information.
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  Speaker 6: But.
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  Speaker 8: There are laws around it, and it's something that agents
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  Speaker 8: and homeowners need to be mindful of.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll get to the laws in a second.
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  Speaker 2: So it's the vendors that we have to be worried about,
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  Speaker 2: not the agents.
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  Speaker 1: The cheeky ones, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I say that to you because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: earlier this year, we did purchase, so we've moved out
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  Speaker 2: of Canberra down into Banks. The place that we purchased
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  Speaker 2: has got closed circuit security everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: There's a number of cameras.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just like when this popped up and Renee
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  Speaker 2: sent it to me, it's like, whoa, I wonder if
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  Speaker 2: that happened to us when we went down into the
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  Speaker 2: open home.
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  Speaker 1: Cam, did you think back about some of the sly
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  Speaker 1: things you might have said while you were walking through?
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have said that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was very complimentary because we ended.
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  Speaker 1: Up buying the place, didn't we? Well, true, true, true, true.
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  Speaker 8: That can be true, though, Cam, because I think agents
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  Speaker 8: are certainly aware of the fact that buyers can be
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  Speaker 8: quite competitive in their conversations at open homes. And sometimes
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  Speaker 8: that's really strategic. So they'll say things to alert other
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  Speaker 8: potential competitors to problems that that.
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  Speaker 6: May or may not be real.
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  Speaker 8: And I think, you know, homeowners can receive pretty unwelcome
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  Speaker 8: information listening in on those conversations.
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  Speaker 6: Whether they're truthful or not.
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  Speaker 8: They may be the kind of conversations the person has
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  Speaker 8: planned to condition the vendor or head of an offer.
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  Speaker 8: So I think any sort of information like that gleaned
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  Speaker 8: without the knowledge of the person talking is likely to
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  Speaker 8: cause or certainly destroy trust.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: No one wants to be recorded when they don't know
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  Speaker 8: they're being recorded.
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  Speaker 1: No, totally. And so just circling back to what you
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  Speaker 1: were saying before, there are different laws here and there.
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  Speaker 1: What about here in Canberra? What does that look like?
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  Speaker 8: Canberra's really specific. It's forbidden to record a private conversation
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  Speaker 8: whether the person recording the conversation is a party to
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  Speaker 8: that conversation or not. So in other words, if you
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  Speaker 8: own the recording device in your home and you go
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  Speaker 8: out and leave it operating, you're no longer a party
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  Speaker 8: to the conversations being recorded, which makes it specifically forbidden.
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  Speaker 6: Unless you have the consent of all parties, and.
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  Speaker 8: That certainly wouldn't be the case during an open home.
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  Speaker 6: It's a bit different in New South Wales. You can record.
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  Speaker 8: It's not legal to record a conversation when the person
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  Speaker 8: operating the device is not part of it, but if
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  Speaker 8: they are a party to the conversation because they're standing
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  Speaker 8: at the open home, that would then be legal, but
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  Speaker 8: they'd still need consent.
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  Speaker 6: It's a really moot point. It's just better not to
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  Speaker 6: do it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Stuart, well, just to confirm, as we've gone to
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  Speaker 2: air here, this conversation will have been recorded on the
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  Speaker 2: radio station logger.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 3: And then probably will be played back at any stage.
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  Speaker 1: Just so you know.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you for the warning.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Stuart, that was super interesting. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for your time this morning. That was great.
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  Speaker 6: Great to be with you.
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  Speaker 1: That's Stuart Bunn who's from First National Real Estate there. Gosh,
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  Speaker 1: what an interesting chat there.
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  Speaker 2: And could have gone a lot longer than the allotted
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  Speaker 2: minutes that we sadly have.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Cam, you said earlier, we've been doing this show
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  Speaker 1: for 10 years. We're just over 10 years now, The
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  Speaker 1: Real Estate Show. And we've asked ourselves, how have we
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  Speaker 1: not talked about skylights so far?
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  Speaker 3: This is one we've missed.
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  Speaker 1: This is one we've missed, but we've got it in
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  Speaker 1: the show today, better late than never.
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  Speaker 5: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I came to you recently and said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: why don't we chat about skylights? I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: sparked that idea. I think I'm just... saw one in
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  Speaker 1: a house or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and as I said to you earlier as well,
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  Speaker 2: skylights can be the hero of a light-filled house, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 2: So a big window's great, but if you've got it
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  Speaker 2: coming in over the top of you as well, and
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  Speaker 2: there's all sorts of fancy designs, so you want to
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  Speaker 2: dig a bit deeper in on that?
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, absolutely. And Ben Potter is Managing Director at
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  Speaker 1: Daylight Artistry. Love that name. Ben, good morning.
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  Speaker 6: Good morning, Cam and Renee.
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  Speaker 1: How are we this morning? We're good. Thanks so much
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  Speaker 1: for joining us. We're really keen to chat to you
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  Speaker 1: about this. What are some of the things that people
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  Speaker 1: need to consider if they want to add a skylight
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  Speaker 1: to the design of a house?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I guess obviously in Canberra, the weather plays
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  Speaker 4: a big part. So thermal efficiency is something that you
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  Speaker 4: want to chase. You really want to find something with
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  Speaker 4: a low U-value and well-sealed.
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  Speaker 6: So all of our products are that.
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  Speaker 4: We do the Velux roof windows and the Solitude tubular
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  Speaker 4: skylights that are all double glazed. So no heat transfer
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  Speaker 4: at all, or very little.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And so they're some of the different types, but what
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  Speaker 2: about the shapes and sizes and different designs of skylights.
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  Speaker 2: So I would imagine there's quite a variation of that
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, every house is different. Every roof's different from
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  Speaker 4: the ceiling to the roof covering, like the tiles or
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  Speaker 4: the tin. It's all a different height. So that really
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  Speaker 4: determines the shape and the size of the skylight that
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: we use. And then with the tubular skylight, they basically
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: come in two sizes, so a 250mm and a 350mm skylight. But, yeah,
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: in terms of the shape, we could be like, the
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: sky's the limit. We can do whatever our customer wants, really.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: And so that's when you're designing a new home. Skylights
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: are very much part of modern-day designs. What about retrofitting
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: a house? So a house, an older house that has
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: no skylights, is that more of a difficult project to handle?
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: It is more difficult, but, I mean, that makes up
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: probably 90% of our business. Okay.
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: We do a lot of supply only to builders.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: And roofers and they put them into the new builds,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: but we're really focused on getting them into existing homes. So, yeah,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: it comes with its difficulties and challenges for sure. But, yeah,
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: most of our, like, if you look at our socials,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: everything that's.
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: On there is in existing homes.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and where's the most common room of a house
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: where people are requesting to get a skylight put in?
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so if it's like a feature piece, like they
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: really want to create a feature, it's mostly in their
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: kitchen and living room. Yeah.
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: But our tubular skylights, anywhere that you don't have a window. Yeah.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Enclosed bathroom, toilet, hallways. They really are a working light.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: The solar tubes are just like having your lights on. So, yeah,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: we do put them in kitchens as well. But for
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: the showstoppers, it's definitely the Velux product, and they are.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: Going into your living rooms.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: With some of the real estate videos that I've recorded,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I've gone into a house and there's a skylight in
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: the shower.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Like, is there one design that you've done or one
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: that you've looked back at and you just go, oh, wow,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I can't believe.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: I did that? Like, what's the standout job that you've done?
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Look, we've been going for a long time. So there's
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: been a lot that I've kind of, yeah, been in all.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: But I suppose recently we did one in Jarrabomba, which
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: was five individual Veluxes and all the trusses we boxed
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: out around every single cord of the truss. And then
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: we put lights up inside the Velux.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: So at night, it's like a mood lighting. It was
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: an amazing install.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that must be so satisfying for you.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, yeah.
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And Ben, just quickly, what's your number one piece of
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: advice for anyone thinking about skylights for their home?
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: Look, just do it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're in the business of adding a little
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: bit of sunshine to people's homes and there's nothing.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Better than that.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: I just, you know, if you want to feel good,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: you go outside and you stand in the sun. You know,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: nobody wants to live Natural light's everything and it just
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: makes you feel better.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a mood changer actually, isn't it?
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, yeah.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: And that's what everyone says that, you know, once we've
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: finished the install, they feel so different about the house.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: It's definitely nice having that natural light.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Well, Cam, we finally got there and had the skylights
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: chat and I really, really enjoyed that. Ben, thank you
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: so much for joining us.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: No problem. All right, thanks for the call.
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: See you.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: See you later. Ben Potter, who's Managing Director at Daylight Artistry.
• 18:29
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• 18:32
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• 18:35
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• 18:37
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• 18:40
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• 18:42
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