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Elon Didn't Want to WIN the OpenAI Lawsuit — He Wanted to DESTROY Sam Altman (And It Worked) · Earn Your Leisure

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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Elon firsus open AI. This is something
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  Speaker 1: that is a highly talked about legal battle for people
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  Speaker 1: that don't know. Elon was at the beginning level of
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  Speaker 1: open AI and how he puts it, kind of got
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  Speaker 1: screwed out of the situation when they decided to change
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  Speaker 1: their mission from a nonprofit to for profit organization and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of other nuanced So he felt like he
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  Speaker 1: was old a lot more than what he received, which
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he was too much, and they went
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  Speaker 1: to court. I think it started last year and today
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  Speaker 1: I believe the judge through the through the case out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the jury deliberated today and dismissed it on claims
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  Speaker 2: that he waited too long to file the claim, not
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  Speaker 2: that that he wasn't wrong, but that he just waited
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  Speaker 2: too long. He said, he's gonna appeal. I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: you can understand that sitting in that position that he's
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  Speaker 2: in objective looking at it right like you're thinking, this
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  Speaker 2: is a nonprofit, it turns into a for profit and
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  Speaker 2: then you watch a company like Microsoft spend ten billion
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  Speaker 2: on it and you're thinking to myself, eight, uh huh,
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  Speaker 2: how do I get cut out that deal? He's gonna
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  Speaker 2: appeal it, like you said, But it's interesting the the
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  Speaker 2: case obviously was put forth a year ago. The trial
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  Speaker 2: started maybe too, like two weeks ago, so it's moved
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  Speaker 2: pretty quickly. But I think the remnants of the trial,
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  Speaker 2: I think Elon looked at it from a standpoint of
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  Speaker 2: how can I hurt this company? Yeah, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to win. I don't really think he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to win. Obviously he has his company that's that's gonna
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  Speaker 2: ip O here shortly, but how could I? How could
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  Speaker 2: I damage it? And I think he succeeded in that
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  Speaker 2: and in a way that's like like a little maniacal
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, right, but if you think about how
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  Speaker 2: we thought about open AI a year ago and how
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  Speaker 2: we used to talk about it and how we talk
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  Speaker 2: about it now, the sentiment is dramatically changed, completely changed,
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  Speaker 2: which also is going into its IPO hurts, right, because
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  Speaker 2: now how do we know how to move with this IPO?
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  Speaker 2: If he has to get a piece of the company,
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  Speaker 2: like that changes everything that gets pushed back. But I
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  Speaker 2: think the most damaging thing about this is that the
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  Speaker 2: public open AI, yes, but the public scrutiny of Sam
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  Speaker 2: altman Aman Oh my gosh, it did the judgement sophistic
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  Speaker 2: What is done to his public perception? How open AI
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  Speaker 2: has now looked at as maybe second could be third
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  Speaker 2: place when you're talking about platforms, right, anthropic has certainly
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  Speaker 2: steamrolled in Darling and now is the darling of it?
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  Speaker 2: Gemini is there. Elon's is like in that fourth place
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  Speaker 2: and open as He's really changed the sentiment of how
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  Speaker 2: we think. And I feel like, yeah, it could have
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  Speaker 2: been a settlement of money, but this isn't about money.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking about a guy when when when SpaceX IPOs
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  Speaker 2: trillionaire status? Yeah, for sure, So it's not about money.
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  Speaker 2: But what it is like the principal is the principle
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  Speaker 2: and the public perception of how what I can now
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  Speaker 2: do to you?
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  Speaker 3: The thing is that's really interesting about it. I do
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  Speaker 3: feel there's an element of he didn't care about the
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  Speaker 3: development of the company until it became extremely popular and successful.
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  Speaker 3: I know we were supposed to talk about this a
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  Speaker 3: little bit last week, but we're shot like in terms
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  Speaker 3: of how using the media because if you look at
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  Speaker 3: Sam Altman versus Dario, it's a night in day comparison.
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  Speaker 3: What if the missteps do you think Sam Altman made
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  Speaker 3: and how could he have handled this better to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that his name wasn't drugged through the mud In
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  Speaker 3: terms of the media not saying Elon is an angel,
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  Speaker 3: but sure to your point, Elon has done damage to
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  Speaker 3: Sam's career that I don't think he'll ever recover from.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was more than just Elon. I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he had a series of unfortunate events as
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  Speaker 1: far as he had an interview. Somebody got killed at
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  Speaker 1: the employee and they asked him about it, and.
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  Speaker 3: Allegedly for legal purposes, allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: The person the person got unlived. We don't know the
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  Speaker 1: circumstances behind him. But when acts, I didn't say that
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  Speaker 1: he was responsible for I'm just saying that I want
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  Speaker 1: to cover all bases. Yeah. So, but when they asked
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  Speaker 1: him about it, I mean, his his answer was very strange,
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  Speaker 1: to say the least. And then you know, you have
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  Speaker 1: the privacy concerned issues with chat GBT, and then Elon
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  Speaker 1: comes in. Then you know, a variety of other people
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  Speaker 1: that worked in the ecosystem of open Ai started to
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  Speaker 1: speak out, and then there's articles about the culture of
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  Speaker 1: open AI, and and you know how employees were you know,
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  Speaker 1: verbally abused and taking advantage of so much stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that it just started to become a snowball effect.
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  Speaker 1: And that was one of the things, but it was
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  Speaker 1: a variety of different things that did not help open
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  Speaker 1: AI Chat GBT, Sam Altman, And at the same time
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  Speaker 1: you got clawed and you have perplexity, and nobody they
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  Speaker 1: don't really have a face fire to their brands. They clean,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's really attached to it as far as emotionally attached
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  Speaker 1: to They're just using it. So as he's declining, fighting
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  Speaker 1: you know, that media battle, these other these other vehicles
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  Speaker 1: are gaining from a popularity standpoint, and then it just
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  Speaker 1: becomes a kind of a snowball of a recipe for
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  Speaker 1: disaster though. While but they're not dead, I mean there's
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  Speaker 1: still none they're still viable.
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  Speaker 2: But ipo intoryever, and that what you said is exactly
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  Speaker 2: what I'm thinking, right Like everything you said literally starts
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  Speaker 2: as this as he decides that he's going to suit him.
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  Speaker 2: And so when we think about, all right, how can
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  Speaker 2: we defame, how can we defame? How can we defame?
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  Speaker 2: How can we defame? I'm gonna put I know who
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  Speaker 2: the man is right this was his partner in twenty
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  Speaker 2: fifteen when they created this. He knows who he is.
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  Speaker 2: If I have to make him be public facing, oh,
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna show who he really is. So we really
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  Speaker 2: see who he is, right, and this part, as you
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  Speaker 2: do it, just really quickly. As you do that, then
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  Speaker 2: now here comes the flaws in you. Here comes the
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  Speaker 2: flaws in you. It's not just the product anymore. We're
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  Speaker 2: like now looking at the CEO is like, we don't
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  Speaker 2: know as much about Dario and anthropic. We probably didn't
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  Speaker 2: even know his name two years ago, right, most people didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Most people still probably don't know his name. But because
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't have that lawsuit, now he's able to create
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  Speaker 2: and be creative, and a team allowed to be creative.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas open AI is like, boom, here's a hit. Here's
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  Speaker 2: a hit. Here's a hit. We didn't even talk about
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  Speaker 2: the oracle, piece of it. Here's a hit. Okay, all
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  Speaker 2: this is coming at you. That's gonna limit creativity. Now
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  Speaker 2: you got to focus on this. What if you lose
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  Speaker 2: this case? Oh you're trying to I po oh wait,
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  Speaker 2: let's slow down on that. All while everybody in this
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  Speaker 2: race is pushing the head pushing forward with less headlines.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously we saw what happened recently with Anthropic and the government,
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  Speaker 2: but prior to that, it was oh that second place thing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, here it comes. Oh wait, they have a
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  Speaker 2: model that's better. They've caught up. They're actually going to
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  Speaker 2: IPO at a higher evaluation. It's the timing of it
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  Speaker 2: is very.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting, interesting, and to that point, if you're going to
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  Speaker 3: do bad business, don't be surprised the person that you
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  Speaker 3: were doing business with runs to your enemies and gives
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  Speaker 3: your entire playbook on how to destroy you. Allegedly, all
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  Speaker 3: the Sor campaign allegedly and the book Empire of AI
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  Speaker 3: came out with some pushing and maybe backing from said
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  Speaker 3: person who may feel like intellectual property was stolen from him.
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  Speaker 3: Even in some of the software route and destruction that
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  Speaker 3: we've had. Some are even saying, because remember, at first
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  Speaker 3: ELI wasn't that favorable towards Anthropic and the closer we
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  Speaker 3: got to this case, all of a sudden partnership and
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  Speaker 3: bridges RBMA between SpaceX Starlink X at scale. So if
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  Speaker 3: you're going SAM, you got away with this one. But
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  Speaker 3: when you have initial investors in him and all the
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  Speaker 3: people who back him. Don't be surprised when they come
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  Speaker 3: to get their look back and come to attack you,
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  Speaker 3: even through presidential means. You got away with this one
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  Speaker 3: because he filed too late. But you have to be
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  Speaker 3: aware of every attack that you're going to go through.
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  Speaker 3: Like at one point they were going to be the
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  Speaker 3: darling of AI. They're almost looked at like the baster
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  Speaker 3: or child of the space now.
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  Speaker 2: All while and we could be like remiss if we
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  Speaker 2: didn't say that, all while building his own AI, right,
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  Speaker 2: like Elon's building x AI at the same time. And
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  Speaker 2: look at the strategic partnerships he has with it, right
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  Speaker 2: you talked about anthropic Amazon is helping them with their
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  Speaker 2: data center build out, so like they're partnering and working together. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, he knows the flaws because he knows
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  Speaker 2: he knows the man. Mm hmmm,