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TOM WILLIAMS: Stray From The Path, Kubrick Stare, and The McDonalds Heist · The Downbeat

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  Hi, everyone. This looks a bit different,
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  doesn't it? It's a really long story.
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  I'm probably going to tell my guests the story.
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  I'm working on a new studio. It's been very difficult.
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  I'm in Nashville now, so let me figure it out.
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  But welcoming to another episode.
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  My guest on the podcast this week is Tom Williams of Straight
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  from the Path. He's back.
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  Third time we got a new single out, Kubrick Stair.
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  Make sure you go check that out. Came out three days ago.
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  So I mean, I can't remember when this is going out.
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  It's really good. He's also a manager.
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  He manages straight, he manages a million other bands.
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  He's also one of my best friends.
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  hasn't been thrown at them. It's Tom Williams on the
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  Downbeat podcast. Can I set it off for something
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  real quick? Tell me, Please tell me, please
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  tell me. What are you about to do?
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  What are you thinking? I hope to God you have a cool
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  drink. Oh thank God, Oh my God, I was
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  sat. Here OK, spin drift.
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  The best? The best Have you had the new
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  flavour? No.
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  Yes, and I'm going into debt with the amount of spin drift
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  I'm buying. This is the Cosmopolitan.
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  Oh my God. I thought when you pulled it out
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  as it looks like a corona. You know what it was?
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  I was on my way here. I was like, God, I'm thirsty.
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  Oh. Fucking unbelievable. 10:00
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  fucking. At 10:00 AM.
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  Cosmopolitan. Yeah, these motherfuckers are
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  glorious. It's so fucking good.
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  It's better when it's like fucking frozen, but you know.
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  Not sponsored but. No, not sponsored.
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  I e-mail them incessantly. You actually.
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  Not incessantly, but I have so many times do.
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  You get freeze though. No, what do?
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  They don't give a fuck, do they? Reply no.
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  They don't care like not to start with it, but like better
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  lovers. I managed them and they're like,
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  they'll be like, oh, get us Crocs and spin drift.
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  And I was like. Crocs.
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  Yeah, like a collab with them, which I've tried and and
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  they've, you know. You do your own collab, you just
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  make the giblets. Yeah, but like, we want to do
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  something more. You know, like an official fuck
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  fish. Yeah, a frog.
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  It's got some frog, something like that, but we'll we'll,
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  we'll get there. It's a a massive company, so and
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  so are Spin drift. So I'm like, oh, check out this
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  band. And then even if they did check
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  it out, it's like the first video is like Greg jumping
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  through the camera and it's just like, they're going to be like,
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  the fuck is this? I'm going to give these guys
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  drinks. I'll tell you what we could kick
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  it off with, because I don't think we actually did talk about
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  this last time. Yeah.
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  When was it? Was it recording euthanasia or
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  was it recording something else which there probably that we had
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  the seltzer challenge? That was internal atomics, no,
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  Yeah, 100%. We did euthanasia at Wills and
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  we did the the seltzer challenge at at Belleville.
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  Yeah, wasn't it while I was doing drums?
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  No, because remember when I remember wills?
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  I remember. Yeah, because you remember Wills
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  Room and then he had that along the left side of the wall.
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  He had the control unit and we were stacking cans on there.
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  I saw the picture. Yeah.
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  There's like 100 cans, do you remember?
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  You tapped down, Yeah. Me and will it it wasn't even
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  like who could do the most it was drink 100 seltzer's in in in
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  a day is. That what we tried to do 100.
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  Yeah, and then you did like. That's like you did like so.
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  Dangerous. It's like literally lethal but
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  you did like 8 and then. I'm sure I hit double figures.
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  No, 100% like fucking ain't. Yesterday you neck and drew
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  didn't and then me and Will were doing like 30.
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  It was crazy at the end cause dude that we were like pissing
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  every like 1010 minutes and and we were like at the point at the
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  end of the day we're like are we going to get like 6 more?
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  We were just shotgunning pullers.
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  It was ridiculous. And now?
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  But now this is this is what we do.
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  This is the champagne of seltzers, is what I think.
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  Have you got any hacks on how to get it cheaper?
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  Because I'm going to Publix so I'm spending so much money.
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  Oh. Publix is not what you do.
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  I mean buy it off the website. You can't get this in stores
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  right now. This flavour?
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  No, This seems like an ad, so definitely.
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  Not at all, but like me and will, because you know, will
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  love spin drift because you go to we go to the studio and he
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  just has like a pallet of them in this room.
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  So when a new new flavour dropped it, we had it's like a
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  joke between who could send it to each other first, like yo do
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  flavour drop and then we just order cases.
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  And yeah, I'll, I'll get like, I'll, I'll order cases from Spin
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  Drip direct and you could get flavours that they don't have in
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  public. Definitely.
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  Plus it's like, yeah, we have to stop.
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  We have to stop. But like in you get them for a
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  pack of eight in Publix and you could get 24 in from the the
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  website. How much is 24 spin drift, Tom?
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  I don't know, just. I want to say it's 30 bucks.
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  Yeah. And these are worth a dollar,
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  OK, More than a dollar, OK, I feel.
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  Like it would help me stop drinking so much.
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  I mean, it already does because I'm like it feels like.
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  A Cosmopolitan. I was just about to say, yeah,
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  Cosmopolitan. I'm not getting cranberry from
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  it, though. Still not.
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  It's very me. We can't do this.
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  Yeah, it's very limey, but let's move on anyway.
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  Like this is riveting. Fucking thing.
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  We got a new fucking single out. No, let's not go there.
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  You're the fucking host straight away.
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  You're the host. How about that I-65 bro?
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  It sucks for real. I mean, that's why you're like,
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  I was like, can I find this fucking place?
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  And then you're like, yeah, it's it just is where it says it was.
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  And I'm like yeah, but like I'm having to like look at APDF file
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  while trying to drive and I'm just like.
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  What you do is you look at the PDF before you go.
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  Yeah, I did that, but it's a lot to compute.
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  No compute. No compute.
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  Anyway, the IC 5 is Interstate highway in Nashville, where I
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  live, and I haven't told. No one knows yet.
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  This is the first. Is it really?
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  Well act like put it on my Instagram story, but I haven't
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  done a vlog, haven't done an episode, anything so.
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  I moved here 8 years ago and now you're.
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  Here and it's an absolute nightmare.
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  Was I even told you this? My stuff is going to turn up.
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  Or like the contents of my old house podcast studio.
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  All my clothes I've been wearing the same clothes for since
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  November 26th. I've been washing them.
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  Yeah, of course, but like, you gotta wash them.
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  Like I have a tall suitcase worth of clothes and that's just
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  what I've been wearing for that long.
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  That's brutal. And they said it's going to be
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  March, middle of March. Holy hell, what did it come over
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  on? Like a shipping container.
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  Yeah. But like when I signed up to it
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  and they took all my stuff on November 26th, they were like,
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  yeah, it takes like 5 weeks and it's now like 20-30.
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  Thirty weeks. No podcast gear.
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  I've got my cameras, but I don't have the microphones.
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  I don't have the like main stuff, whatever the Cubbins are.
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  These cameras, yours or theirs? Theirs.
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  None like I would have had. Cool.
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  Things. No accoutrements.
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  No accoutrements. No offence, a clock you had some
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  books about God behind you had to flip.
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  Oh OK. Where it doesn't say I didn't
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  survey the area. To get rid of those, I came in
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  and started sweating. I don't know what it was.
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  It's like a hot flash thing. And then now my fire was going
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  to be corrupt. I'm sorry.
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  If anyone's you, do you. Yeah, they're hitting the
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  corrupt button. Correct.
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  Corrupt kaleidoscope effect on the whole thing.
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  Yeah. So that's been a nightmare.
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  Everything's been a nightmare, the whole thing.
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  You moved across. Look at the world.
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  You're technically the name on my water bill.
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  That's been changing. I didn't get paid, I'm paying.
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  You paid? Yeah.
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  I mean, I know I wouldn't do that for someone who I didn't
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  think would pay it on time. But the huge the hugest, the
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  hugest problem failed my driving knowledge test.
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  How did I get here, you ask? Ohh, roll the dice.
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  What they gonna do? Shoot me?
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  Yeah, quite possible. Yeah, it's funny.
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  I said that when you moved in. I was like, because you sent a
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  video to the band chat of you look at you pointing to your air
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  conditioning and then to your washer and your dryer and I was
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  like, you've increased your chances of getting shot just to
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  be cool and be able to wash your clothes if it's efficiently.
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  That's how backwards Europe is with the fucking bullshit.
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  It's crazy. I am loving it.
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  Yeah, it's great. I mean, it's dude, it's it's
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  fun. I knew you'd like it.
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  You need to get to like July and you'll enjoy it honestly,
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  because it's like you got to wait for that.
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  And then we're fucking, we're going to do stuff May and June.
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  So like by the time you get your stuff March, April, you're set
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  up. But then it's still kind of
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  hectic. I've got a podcast space on
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  hold, but I need more stuff to do it.
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  And I needed to get a new sponsor because I need to pay
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  for that because one of the pitfalls from moving to a place
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  you've never been to, I had to get Fred Rubenstein to to go on
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  FaceTime. I mean, you looked at a couple
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  for me as well, but Fred, was this one on FaceTime?
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  And then I was like, yeah, that room looks good enough to do the
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  podcasting. OK, I'll sign the lease in
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  November. And then I didn't move in until
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  this month. I bought my house that way,
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  though we were in Canada and my wife was like looking at houses
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  while I was gone. And she'd be like, what do you
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  think I'll be like? That sounds good to me.
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  So like, yeah, I've done that before too.
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  But I'm not that because I got in there.
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  I was like, I can't do a podcast in.
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  There really. Yeah.
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  Is that the one you still on hold?
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  No, sorry, this is this is the apartment.
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  I thought I could do it in a room in the apartment.
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  I can't. So now I need to rent A podcast
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  space that's all really expensive, but I've got another
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  sponsor who hasn't sent me any stuff yet, so otherwise it'd be
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  all over here. But I think they're going to pay
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  for that. Could be this?
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  The Patreons also paying for it so I'm looking forward to that.
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  But driving knowledge tests I failed.
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  Which is insane to fail it. It's like the easiest thing.
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  Whoa, let me just tell you, when did you do it?
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  How long ago? So when I first moved here, they
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  told me I had to take tests. And I was like, I thought you
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  just take the test when you're 17.
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  You're done. Yeah.
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  And like, oh, no, you need to. If you want a Tennessee license,
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  you got to do it. So I did it.
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  Didn't study at all. I was like, all right, what do I
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  do? Like you got to take a written
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  test. I was like, when can I do it?
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  Like you want to do it now? I'm like sure.
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  That's what happened to me, yeah.
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  But but I did 100%. I nailed it, yeah, but didn't
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  didn't miss a question. I'm from England.
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  Yeah, So what did you fuck up? What side do you drive on?
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  No, no, see that? I'm so fucking good at driving
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  here. Like, I haven't had anything.
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  But I get there. I'm like, I'm just trying to
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  figure out what I need to do. I've moved here.
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  What's the deal with, you know? And they were like, Oh, yeah,
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  just give us all your visa paperwork.
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  Make sure you're supposed to be here.
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  Oh, yeah, first step to get your permit, do the driver's
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  knowledge test. And I was like, OK, when can I
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  book him for that? Thinking I'll just go and read a
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  book or whatever. Yeah, book you in right now if
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  you want. And I was like, I don't think I
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  have the knowledge yet. And then they were like, just
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  give it a go. And I was like, all right.
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  And I went in and they're like, a lot of the stuff was basic.
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  And then three of the questions I can remember, one of them, you
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  wouldn't even get this go if you get a DUI on your permit when
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  you're 17. Yeah.
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  At what age can you get your license?
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  27. Multiple choice and it only went
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  up to 21 and then another one, which I googled afterwards was
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  like, on your third DUI? What it Yeah, exactly.
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  My brain just goes, are you fucking for real?
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  So on your third DUI, what is the fine?
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  Oh. Come on.
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  Yeah, I didn't have to like. Multiple choice and one of them
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  was like 3 grand, one was 500 bucks, one of them was 251 of
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  them was 150. What?
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  Did you choose 3 grand? Yeah, because that's what it
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  fucking should be. It's not.
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  It's like 500 bucks for your third DM.
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  Mine was like, if it's foggy out, do you put your high beams
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  on or your low beams? Yeah, your low beams, right.
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  Yeah, I know that one. Yeah, OK, That's what I was
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  answering. It wasn't like how much money
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  for a DUI. Fine.
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  I don't know. I've never had a drink before.
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  Yeah, like literally. So I don't fucking know.
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  It's not a problem for me. Yeah, and like loads about the
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  blood alcohol limit, which I didn't know, but it's.
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  Different 0 .08. Yes, but in the UK or in
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  Scotland where I was, it's .03 so I had no idea how. .03 Then
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  why does everyone get so fucked up?
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  Because they don't drive .08 is like 4 beers.
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  You don't want to. I I've never driven.
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  My mom used to work on one of those like drink driving the
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  courses they make you do after you've done it.
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  She would come home from work and she'd tell me these horror
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  stories of people to start ruining their lives.
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  So I've never done it but like four BI can't imagine drinking
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  on 4 beers. I'm sorry.
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  Driving on 4 beers. Right.
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  It's heinous. Not driving sober is tough.
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  Like it's like insane. I have this thing with.
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  I know it's tough. I found my dad.
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  Driving dude driving here drives me nuts.
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  I even every Sunday I don't leave my house like coming here
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  Thursday at fucking 10:00 AM. It's insane, I never do it.
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  Yeah, it's ridiculous. So every Sunday I play hockey
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  and I have like a group chat with my team and the whole joke
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  is I send them videos of me driving on the way there because
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  what everyone does. So Nashville's just not built
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  for all these people to be here, right?
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  Like even when I came here 8 years ago, there wasn't nearly
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  as many fucking people here. Now everyone's moving here.
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  Like I, I heard someone from another band just moved here the
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  other day too. And I'm just like Jesus Christ,
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  everyone's fucking moving here. And which respect.
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  It's cool and it's a lot more affordable than fucking New York
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  and LA. Whatever.
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  Big Big Bang. Yeah, you know, I drive
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  everything is a single lane Rd. like if you take like back roads
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  or whatever. So I just, I'm like, I just tell
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  you the whole way and just fucking freak out and I'll just
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  send videos and I'm just like, look at this fucking bastard.
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  I was like, he's going to turn right when I got turned right, I
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  promise you. And then I film it and then he
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  puts his biker on. I can drive, but I will film
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  and. Yeah, I'll film and drive just
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  because it's, I mean, I'm just trying to work my boys up and I
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  think it's funny, but I have noticed driving here is brutal.
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  I have noticed and I even googled it.
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  People drive so fucking slow here.
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  Mother fucker. It's just like, I can't believe
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  it. Drive slow, that's cool, but get
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  the fuck in the right lane. Yeah, middle lane, but.
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  You know what they do is they go right lane slow and left lane
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  two mile per hour faster, so they just drive like this.
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  Perfect for me and I'm just. Like I want to drive double, I
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  want to drive double. And yeah, it's getting bad.
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  I I have pretty bad road rage. It sucks.
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  Unless my kids are in the car then I could just chill.
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  But if I don't have my kids in the car, bro, I'm just like
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  clenching my teeth and just like so fucking mad.
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  I got pulled over for speeding the other day.
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  God, take it. And they're like, oh, this is,
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  you could take a, you could take a course.
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  Yeah, of course. What was he saying?
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  Not like anger management, but it's a road rage management
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  like, and then you could not put points in your license.
• 17:04
  And I'm like, what's the points thing?
• 17:06
  Like, what does that mean? And like, oh, if you get certain
• 17:08
  amount of points, then your insurance goes up.
• 17:09
  And I was like, so is this like a game?
• 17:12
  And then he was like, yeah, I was like, was it like a game?
• 17:16
  Get out of the car, Sir. And he's like, oh, your court
• 17:18
  date is this? I was like, do I have to go to
• 17:19
  that? They're like, not if you pay it,
• 17:21
  I'm like, give me the fucking thing.
• 17:22
  How much was it 150 bucks? And how many points 3.
• 17:25
  Yeah, it's the same Stephen Curry.
• 17:27
  It's the same as the UK like. It's too early for the shit.
• 17:32
  Yeah, it's good. We're good.
• 17:34
  Yeah, but the DUI shit in the UK, like the third DUI, I think
• 17:38
  your first DUI, then take your license away for five years.
• 17:42
  Take it. Yeah, that's the way as it.
• 17:43
  As it should be. And then I think if you do it
• 17:45
  again, like you will definitely go to jail anyway.
• 17:48
  We've done spin drift, we've done Duis.
• 17:51
  I think now we can probably talk about music.
• 17:54
  Got a new song out? Yeah.
• 17:57
  Thoughts. It's hard to play.
• 18:00
  Oh, really? It's.
• 18:01
  Hard. Yeah, it's hard to play.
• 18:03
  For you? For me, yeah.
• 18:04
  Which bit? Honestly, the verse because it's
• 18:07
  so like Hut need like where he'll just make me do little
• 18:12
  things to make it spite, which is good.
• 18:14
  He's doing his job. But like, you know, there's for
• 18:18
  some reason, not that I can't remember it, but like I have to
• 18:21
  focus. So no, it's like, no, but it's
• 18:35
  because I'm practicing incessantly for it and I'm like,
• 18:37
  it's just remembering the pattern, but it's like jumps
• 18:39
  around and I like, I want to play the fucking song, right.
• 18:43
  So like that verse is so hard though.
• 18:45
  It just seems like it's a nothing thing, but it's really
• 18:47
  hard. And then.
• 18:49
  That's actually the same for me for the verse.
• 18:51
  Yeah, it's tough. Like if you just listen, it
• 18:53
  sounds like it's going but it's all that splash style.
• 18:57
  Yeah, exactly that I'm doing. You're doing little things that
• 19:01
  the average listener probably doesn't catch and I'm doing
• 19:03
  little things that the average listener definitely doesn't
• 19:05
  catch. But we just got to do it And and
• 19:08
  then, but I do it for the small percentage of people that do
• 19:10
  catch it. And then they know that we're
• 19:12
  doing like all these little things and.
• 19:15
  Also live. I feel like live, and when
• 19:18
  you've got stuff like that, which is necessarily like such a
• 19:21
  big thick Will Putney mix just makes it like, oh song, and
• 19:25
  people go, oh song, good. And then you see it live.
• 19:27
  Yeah. And then you see you doing the
• 19:29
  weird shit and you see me doing the weird shit.
• 19:30
  And it gives the song like a whole new perspective because
• 19:33
  we're not on the backing track. Yep, never.
• 19:35
  Except for a couple of little noises.
• 19:36
  Little noises, I'll do that. Because here's the thing, I
• 19:38
  could do them. I could do whatever.
• 19:40
  I could do everything. But I'm, I'm God sorry again,
• 19:44
  sorry. However, I want to just have fun
• 19:46
  at this point, you know what I mean?
• 19:47
  Like I it'll never be something where it's like a main,
• 19:51
  something that's on there. Yeah, or a vocal.
• 19:53
  Never, never vocal ever. That's to me is like, come on,
• 19:57
  what are you talking about? But like little things like
• 20:00
  we're four piece, we're one guitar player.
• 20:02
  You know, there's layers and like I could do the layers.
• 20:04
  I have the loop pedal. Took my loop pedal off my off my
• 20:06
  board. Really.
• 20:07
  Yeah, I'm over it. I could do it, I've proven
• 20:10
  enough. I'm 37.
• 20:11
  That's me. That's me using numbing cream to
• 20:13
  get tattoos. Yeah, same like I've I've had.
• 20:15
  I'm done. I've had 40.
• 20:17
  I've had 40 without it. Yeah, I'm getting 41 with yes,
• 20:20
  that's where I'm at, where I'm just like, look, you know, we
• 20:23
  don't even play shows like we used to.
• 20:25
  Like we used to do 150 shows a year.
• 20:27
  Now we probably gonna do 75 to 80.
• 20:30
  I wanna have fun. I'm just trying to chill play
• 20:33
  and do and and if I do try, if anything is, I don't even want
• 20:36
  to say tracked, but it's like it's never the hard part, you
• 20:39
  know what I mean? So it's the extra crap, you know
• 20:41
  what I mean? But yeah, dude, like this, the
• 20:44
  new song is, it's fucking awesome.
• 20:48
  I listen to all the time, man. Drew kills it.
• 20:50
  Drew was so good in that song. I have these practice.
• 20:53
  Yeah, motherfucker, you're watching this shit.
• 20:55
  Trust me, I'll practice. And it's only because it's so
• 20:57
  hard. I'm like, because I don't know
• 20:59
  what he's doing. He's.
• 21:00
  Fucking going the whole he's going the whole time plus like
• 21:03
  the breakdown is. The breakdown phrasing is
• 21:06
  stupid. Yeah, that's going to be tough.
• 21:08
  Yeah, that's going to. Be tough, don't bum me out.
• 21:11
  Yeah, which Which is good because we haven't played a show
• 21:14
  in 14 months. Gee, is that how long?
• 21:17
  It's been November. Wow.
• 21:19
  Maybe longer than 14 months, but we haven't played the show in 14
• 21:21
  months. And then it like hit us a couple
• 21:24
  weeks ago. We were like, do we want our
• 21:26
  first show back in front of 10,000 people?
• 21:29
  Yeah, it was crazy. Fuck no, we shouldn't do that.
• 21:31
  So gives us an excuse to go back to the underworld.
• 21:34
  Yes. Which we didn't talk about,
• 21:37
  which will be announced by this time too.
• 21:39
  Definitely yeah. A. 100% where we dropped the
• 21:41
  single on February 5th and then we announced Underworld February
• 21:45
  6th. Which is the Friday, the 5th is
• 21:47
  the Thursday. It's a no Wednesday.
• 21:49
  Thursday. Oh yeah, this'll be on.
• 21:51
  It'll be on Patreon on the Friday.
• 21:52
  Correct. And then you're going to give a
• 21:56
  link to the tickets to your Patreon first.
• 21:59
  Yes, that will be in this link and on the thing already well.
• 22:03
  You're going to give it to him before?
• 22:05
  I thought we were going to give it to him.
• 22:06
  I'll give it somewhere before we announce it.
• 22:08
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 22:09
  Yeah, that's perfect. That's what you asked for and I
• 22:11
  think we're going to have like 100 of tickets of it that could
• 22:14
  just be bought by you or by your.
• 22:18
  Patriot by them all. I'm the one to be sick.
• 22:21
  We haven't played there since 20. 16.
• 22:26
  Surely, I guess internal no? No, we did it with in 2017 with
• 22:34
  Only Death is real. Yes, internal, we did Islington.
• 22:37
  Internal, we did Islington, yeah.
• 22:39
  And then we did Roundhouse, and then we never really want to go
• 22:42
  back unless it's a special occasion like this, yeah.
• 22:45
  And that's such a big go back that it's like obvious.
• 22:48
  But it's an obvious underplay. Yeah, for sure.
• 22:50
  But it's funny because like I compare the underworld, like
• 22:54
  when people ask me like I'm like, it's to me.
• 22:57
  It's like CBS, like CBGBS. Never got to go.
• 23:01
  I know, of course not. But it's like.
• 23:02
  An. But I'm talking about, yeah,
• 23:04
  it's like the underworld in London to me is like CBS in New
• 23:06
  York, right? And like, would you can classify
• 23:09
  that? Is that accurate?
• 23:10
  Yeah, I know. Yeah, I feel like CBGBS is more
• 23:15
  iconic worldwide. Correct.
• 23:17
  Yeah, because. You can see Underworld didn't
• 23:18
  fucking brand brand. Themselves.
• 23:19
  They should have. They had a logo.
• 23:21
  But it's as historic and like, I mean, you have that's like when
• 23:26
  you know your band is something. Just the first you.
• 23:29
  Sell out. You sell out the underworld.
• 23:30
  It's like our band can be something serious.
• 23:32
  It's like the the smallest important venue to have the sign
• 23:37
  that can say sold out on it. So it's like a huge thing.
• 23:40
  The first time I'm in one Biotropy sold it out.
• 23:42
  It was like. But here's the thing, it's going
• 23:44
  to be, it'll be huge to me when we do it this time, you know
• 23:47
  what I mean? Like, I think it's still fucking
• 23:49
  awesome. It's just awesome.
• 23:50
  And one other band. I've never played a bad show
• 23:52
  there. It's impossible.
• 23:53
  I fired Fire actually guitarist on stage there during the show I
• 23:58
  was just talking about. Why?
• 24:00
  I said I was going to quit earlier on in the day because I
• 24:02
  hated him. And he, someone told him that he
• 24:08
  was going to quit, that I was going to quit.
• 24:10
  And then he came up, comes up to me on stage like third song in
• 24:13
  like in between songs and goes, are you quitting?
• 24:15
  And I was like, yeah. And he was like, what if you're
• 24:17
  quitting and I'm quitting, then there's not going to be a band
• 24:20
  anymore. And I went, wait a minute,
• 24:21
  you're quitting? And he was like, yeah, I was
• 24:22
  like, oh, I'm not going in there.
• 24:23
  And that was it. It was gone.
• 24:26
  Genius. But I've never played a bad show
• 24:27
  at the Underworld, ever. Even when we got booked across
• 24:34
  the street from Beartooth, do you remember that?
• 24:36
  Yeah. Were you in the band then?
• 24:37
  Yep. And that was like, oh, we're
• 24:40
  going for it, The Underworld. And then like, and I remember
• 24:43
  our booking Edge of the Type booked Beartooth and they played
• 24:46
  across the street in Camden and we were like, show's still good,
• 24:51
  but it it did like 300 people when it's supposed to do 5.
• 24:54
  Wait, was I there joining? That was You were joining the
• 24:57
  band? Yeah.
• 24:57
  And Dan was there. I was there.
• 24:58
  I remember what you were usurping.
• 25:01
  I was. Usurping the second time this
• 25:03
  week. I'll use the word you, Sir.
• 25:05
  I'm addicted to it. It's awesome.
• 25:06
  Yeah. Yeah, that was awesome.
• 25:08
  It's so crazy. I can remember that dinner.
• 25:10
  How? Good was sushi.
• 25:10
  Yeah, shit my brains out in that under our toilet.
• 25:13
  And I was like, these guys are going to think I've got IBS.
• 25:17
  I wasn't because we were all friends.
• 25:19
  I was like, oh shit, my brains out.
• 25:20
  And you're like, yeah, we're going back.
• 25:24
  Crazy, yeah, but I'm stoked because like, the shows there
• 25:27
  are crazy. Like and we got no barricade.
• 25:29
  They do barricades though. Sorry, sick.
• 25:32
  And it's just in Camden. It's fucking awesome.
• 25:34
  I don't even know where Ally Pally is.
• 25:35
  Is there anything to do? Or it is either I heard it's
• 25:37
  fucking gorgeous or where the area is cool.
• 25:41
  The building is a little bit. No.
• 25:43
  Never been. Never played.
• 25:44
  Never. Sorry, it's 10:00 AM.
• 25:47
  The building is fucking massive but like it's going to be rough.
• 25:53
  Might be half full by the time we play because the entrance is
• 25:58
  not indicative of a 10,000 capacity standing venue.
• 26:03
  Yeah, I mean, I expect that, well, we're not going to play
• 26:07
  the 10,000 people, but we should play the 6-7.
• 26:10
  Still huge. So, so many motherfuckers.
• 26:14
  And I think people are going to get there early for us, you
• 26:16
  know? So I don't know.
• 26:19
  I'm stoked. So this fucking song you're
• 26:21
  playing it you feel good about? It I we got.
• 26:23
  To play it together at some point.
• 26:25
  I have been we me and Tom have rented a room now for my
• 26:32
  streaming and the band. It's going to be me and you,
• 26:34
  Jeremy. I'm going to need to rearrange
• 26:36
  some stuff. By the way, I can talk about off
• 26:37
  the thing. Yeah, you can keep your corner
• 26:39
  that dragon at my after. But so I've been going in,
• 26:45
  probably going in not once a week because I'm just fucking
• 26:48
  busy doing home stuff, fucking waiting in for someone to set up
• 26:53
  my laundry and whatever. And the Kubic there was just
• 26:59
  like, because I, I've never practiced so much as I practiced
• 27:03
  January to July when we tracked, I practiced 3 hours a day just
• 27:08
  those songs and I was like absolutely fucking on it.
• 27:13
  So I came back to practice 2 weeks ago and Kubik's there was
• 27:16
  just like done perfect. And it was the older songs that
• 27:20
  were harder, really. Yeah, dude, I started practicing
• 27:23
  the old songs and I stopped because I got really.
• 27:27
  Yeah, it's too easy. What are we even playing?
• 27:32
  Needful MILF. Yeah, that's fine.
• 27:34
  They're fine. Needful MILF chest candy.
• 27:38
  That's fine. Fortune teller?
• 27:39
  Fine. Guillotine badge Three.
• 27:42
  Yeah. Who works there?
• 27:44
  First World. Yeah, that seems like too many
• 27:47
  songs for a 30 minute set. No 8, we're definitely not
• 27:51
  playing any of those. Definitely not not.
• 27:53
  Playing, not playing. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:54
  So what's hard? Yeah, that's fine.
• 27:55
  No. We were playing extra songs for
• 27:57
  Underworld. Yeah, I think that's what was
• 27:59
  like remembering how. Abiding Citizen.
• 28:01
  Remembering the the bit before the breakdown in law abiding.
• 28:10
  That bit, gonna have to go back next week.
• 28:12
  Practice that. I think that was the only bit.
• 28:15
  Did you try playing that new song?
• 28:17
  But I want to play. Forgot I want to do that right
• 28:21
  now. It's it's such a thing that like
• 28:23
  everyone agreed to in principle, but we're going to abandon it.
• 28:26
  And I really want to do it. I'll.
• 28:27
  Do it. I've got nothing to do this
• 28:29
  weekend. No, I'm going to do it.
• 28:30
  I just want to do it. I think my whole thing with
• 28:33
  everything is I'm just trying to do stuff that have that isn't
• 28:36
  done often or hasn't been done before.
• 28:38
  That's all I want to do. You know what I mean?
• 28:40
  And like people. That stage to.
• 28:42
  People stop doing that like they don't.
• 28:44
  It used to be a thing where I would go to shows and bands
• 28:48
  would play new songs before they're out, and no one does
• 28:51
  that anymore, you know? I remember fucking.
• 28:55
  For the record, you want to do this at the Underworld Play a
• 28:57
  brand new I don't know. Anyone watching this should buy
• 29:00
  a ticket. Yeah, A. 100% get a new SO.
• 29:02
  Hopefully it's the things fucking sold out by the time you
• 29:04
  see this. We're announcing on Thursday.
• 29:06
  I'm hoping it's a southern. This guy's on Patreon on Friday.
• 29:09
  Yeah, so what's fucking done? Fucking hope so.
• 29:11
  Yeah, fucking battered me. Because Roundhouse, they can't
• 29:14
  sell out the underworld. No, it will.
• 29:16
  They fell off. Bro I was going to say but I
• 29:19
  want to just do that. Like I remember dude I saw Every
• 29:21
  time I Die so long ago and they played Romeo Gogo the first
• 29:26
  track on Hot Damn before it was out.
• 29:28
  They played it live and I was like, fuck, I got to remember
• 29:31
  that. That was so sick, you know.
• 29:33
  And then you remember it fucking 30 years later, 20.
• 29:35
  Well, I'm just. Like, I'm just trying to think
• 29:37
  that like, what do what did people stop doing and why?
• 29:40
  Like, why did you do that? Because everything's going to be
• 29:43
  like a playlist pitching and just like.
• 29:46
  You know what's weird? Shit I thought about this the
• 29:47
  other day. Like hip hop, that's like,
• 29:53
  there's never a press release. It's just like, here's my new
• 29:56
  album, here's a new song. Like it just comes out of no end
• 30:00
  and everyone scrambles to do a press release.
• 30:02
  The Edge Sheeran, Cradle Of Filth thing that came from this
• 30:04
  episode, there was so many press releases made about that.
• 30:09
  And then they cut out my podcast.
• 30:11
  They're just, and it's just like Danny Filth confirms, blah,
• 30:14
  blah, blah, blah, blah. And it comes out like, why?
• 30:16
  Wouldn't you want to tell people where he confirmed that?
• 30:18
  It's so annoying, yeah, but it's just funny because they just
• 30:23
  where more people just do stuff and everyone just scrambles to.
• 30:26
  Do it bro. You know what pissed me off
• 30:27
  though? Is like what the new thing is?
• 30:32
  So I managed Poison the Well and they dropped their first new
• 30:35
  song in 15 years yesterday, the day before it because of fucking
• 30:40
  Australia. And then Australia gets it
• 30:42
  before them and they all start tweeting about it.
• 30:45
  Then it goes on Reddit and then everyone's talking about it, and
• 30:47
  then press outlets start posting about it using photos that are
• 30:51
  15 years old and like, telling everyone that's coming.
• 30:55
  And I'm just like, could you just wait a couple hours and let
• 30:58
  us put it out the way that we wanted to?
• 31:00
  And they just didn't. They ended up like we asked them
• 31:03
  to take it down and they did. But I'm just like everyone, just
• 31:05
  like, I want to be 1st to tell you.
• 31:07
  Yeah. It's the professional equivalent
• 31:11
  of the people that leave first in the comments. 100%, Yeah.
• 31:14
  First, first. Comment I got it, you know.
• 31:16
  I noticed with that though because I had a friend in
• 31:18
  Australia post it when it was out in Australia.
• 31:21
  Poison the well. Yeah, if you click the top link
• 31:25
  when someone puts on their story play on Spotify.
• 31:29
  I could listen to it before America.
• 31:35
  Oh maybe though. UK.
• 31:38
  My Spotify accounts UK. Scrap that, you can leave it in.
• 31:41
  No sign, I'm just an idiot. I don't know where it is, but
• 31:46
  just this whole I like. I just.
• 31:51
  It's like when any when anything happens as well, like the
• 31:54
  reaction videos, everyone needs to be first to react.
• 31:57
  But then now if people don't know this, there's a whole
• 32:00
  thing. I think some of it is
• 32:02
  legitimate, but there is a whole thing with reactors that are
• 32:08
  whitelisted by labels and they get it early, so they drop it at
• 32:13
  the same time that the band releases it.
• 32:15
  And some, in a lot of cases, Nick Nocturnal gets more views
• 32:19
  than the fucking song. Yeah, which is insane.
• 32:22
  Yeah. And they just give that, give
• 32:23
  that to him, but whatever. No one gave me that, though.
• 32:25
  I I like people like him. He does so much for metal.
• 32:29
  Yeah, like metal core. Yeah, I'm like.
• 32:31
  That's why he just puts a lot. Of he's fucking shit, yeah.
• 32:34
  Yeah, he's cool. The dude literally just loves
• 32:36
  it, you know? So I'm just like, he's one
• 32:38
  thing. It's the people that are trying
• 32:40
  to be him that drive me nuts sometimes.
• 32:42
  And I'm just like, you know, And then I just find out that they,
• 32:46
  like, charge bands, like small bands.
• 32:49
  Yeah, money to do that. And I'm just like it's.
• 32:51
  Always something starts so it's cool and then it's like, how do
• 32:55
  we make money? From this money, but.
• 32:57
  I kind of like it because that's how we just evolve with stuff
• 33:01
  because it eventually who knows what will be podcasts as well.
• 33:05
  Everyone's got podcasts. It sucks.
• 33:07
  I hate my favorite, my favorite thing.
• 33:10
  I love it. Yeah, it's awesome.
• 33:12
  And but I I agree it's too much. And my favorite thing is I'll be
• 33:17
  on TikTok just whatever scrolling, and it's some
• 33:21
  podcasts that you don't even know what it is.
• 33:23
  And the comment is like, make podcast equipment more
• 33:28
  expensive. Yeah, it's my favorite thing.
• 33:29
  We. Need a 5000% tax?
• 33:32
  I think it's so funny because it's just the way to just say
• 33:35
  like this podcast is terrible. Like your take is dog shit.
• 33:38
  Who is this person? Like, well, whatever, I'm not
• 33:41
  everyone should get a chance to try it, but I'm just like.
• 33:43
  I've got a long game approach with that though.
• 33:45
  What do you mean everyone having podcasts?
• 33:48
  My cameras, not these cameras. No offense guys, but I like the
• 33:52
  shot the movie, the creator on my cameras.
• 33:56
  So once everyone on earth has a podcast, there'll only be a few
• 34:01
  that look like they they can be scored by Hans Zimmer A. 100%
• 34:05
  and that's and and honestly, it's just but it is the end of
• 34:08
  the day because here's here's the way I look at it.
• 34:10
  It's like, yes, we take our songs and we'll produces a mixes
• 34:16
  master and right, and they sound fantastic, but I could take that
• 34:19
  song and even if the recording was whatever, that's still a
• 34:25
  good song, right? So like, yes, your cameras are
• 34:28
  great, right, but it's still like the quality of the show.
• 34:32
  That is what matters, right? So.
• 34:34
  You think? Yeah, I don't think my show's
• 34:37
  that good. Yeah, I mean rare.
• 34:38
  I mean, everyone fucking everyone does that.
• 34:41
  Like they all anyway. Like like the whole no one wants
• 34:46
  to say that they're good, your show's great.
• 34:47
  And there's a reason why. Because there is a million
• 34:49
  fucking podcasts and there's a there's 999 whatever the fuck
• 34:54
  that don't make it because they're not good, they're not
• 34:57
  fun and they're not informative. Like I'll listen to some of your
• 35:01
  shows and shows episodes, episodes show.
• 35:07
  I watch the show. I watch some of your shows and
• 35:11
  and like, yeah, they're fun, they're funny or they're
• 35:14
  informative and like, I don't know, the guests do a real good
• 35:18
  job too. Like I don't know those dudes
• 35:20
  from Speed like. Amazing what a great I didn't
• 35:23
  know either, but it came in and I.
• 35:24
  Just like I thought you'd get boys, I thought you'd get D Cold
• 35:27
  cause like, oh, you didn't tour with D Cold.
• 35:29
  So we 'cause we toured with Relentless, which is his other
• 35:32
  band, Yes. So we, we know him, Yeah.
• 35:34
  And he's the man. I know him online but not I just
• 35:37
  asked. I basically just asked for
• 35:39
  whoever. You guys would love each other
• 35:40
  'cause it's 'cause he's works out like crazy and shit too.
• 35:44
  And he's just like a fucking sweetheart, right?
• 35:47
  I remember we played the last time we were in Australia, we
• 35:50
  played Sydney and the rental gear came and my amp was shot
• 35:54
  and he came and gave, brought me his and like I used his for that
• 35:58
  show. Anyway, he's the man.
• 35:59
  But those two guys I had, no, I know nothing about him, don't
• 36:02
  know. And I watched that whole episode
• 36:04
  and I was like, those guys are awesome.
• 36:06
  Obviously I already love the band, but it's just like it was
• 36:09
  just so informative, like they're telling the story about
• 36:12
  who they are, right. And like, so your guests do a
• 36:15
  really good job too. And like, you know, you get good
• 36:17
  guests and it's and people want to do your show because you get
• 36:20
  good guests. So it's like, you know, you had
• 36:22
  speed yet the dude from health that that was a good one, you
• 36:25
  know? Pisses me off though.
• 36:27
  But. I don't know if it's because
• 36:29
  they spread so thin or they're too busy writing up press
• 36:32
  releases. I'm still getting, hey, we've
• 36:38
  got these people on a press cycle, like, and it's a band
• 36:41
  where the singer is the fucking like funniest person and like
• 36:46
  super interesting track record of doing podcasts and stuff.
• 36:50
  Just wondering if you want to do the drama.
• 36:51
  And I'm like, I reply and I'm like, if it's a drama that I
• 36:54
  know is pretty good and I'm like, yeah, cool.
• 36:56
  Can you like send me some other interviews they've done or
• 36:59
  whatever? And then it's like, they can't.
• 37:04
  And it's like, I get what you're trying to do.
• 37:05
  You're trying to spread the press so you can make more
• 37:08
  people do everything. But it means that people still
• 37:11
  think it's a drum podcast. And I've been trying to fucking
• 37:14
  shake that off for so long. It depends.
• 37:16
  It's all situational because sometimes like I want to hear
• 37:19
  from other members like like even I.
• 37:21
  Want to hear from drummers? Definitely, but.
• 37:22
  For sure. And it depends.
• 37:23
  It depends on who you know what. I mean, I know if they're
• 37:25
  lemons, not if you're a they're being a lemon.
• 37:28
  Not anyone has so far because I vet them.
• 37:30
  Who's a lemon? That's a bunch, yeah.
• 37:37
  But you know. But I just think about like even
• 37:39
  some of the bands that I work with and like, you know, I be
• 37:43
  like, man, it'd be cool if you talk to this person like, but
• 37:46
  they don't get hit up because everyone wants to talk to
• 37:48
  fucking Brandon or Greg or Emma or fucking.
• 37:52
  Yeah, but at least with those ones from you, I guess I know
• 37:57
  those other people well enough to go like, yeah, I can do that
• 37:59
  for two hours. But I have had some episodes
• 38:02
  that like probably haven't even come out where I've done that.
• 38:05
  And I've been like, OK, this person, not even a drama, maybe
• 38:07
  a guitarist or whatever. And I'm like, this person's
• 38:09
  fucked, like. Sick.
• 38:10
  Yeah, they just got to have it. Which?
• 38:11
  Like and then they haven't got. It the charisma is everything,
• 38:13
  which is why it's usually this the vocalist because the.
• 38:16
  Vocalist was a drum, to be fair. To be fair, because like, yeah,
• 38:18
  that is where the flare comes from, you know, upfront, like
• 38:22
  people will notice the flare of a drummer and people will notice
• 38:25
  the flare of a singer, which is why you look at the 1975 people
• 38:27
  talk to Matt Healy and George, right?
• 38:29
  Because those are the flare. I don't know a riff from that
• 38:32
  band, but I love him, you know what I mean?
• 38:34
  Like, And so, yeah, the flare usually comes from that.
• 38:37
  And like, again, you need to have charisma to be good at
• 38:39
  those two things, right? So that it makes sense, you know
• 38:43
  what I mean? But like, there are some
• 38:44
  instances where I'm just like, you know, it'd be good to talk
• 38:47
  to this person too, you know? So it's cool that they do want
• 38:49
  to put forward other members. Sticking up for them now, you're
• 38:53
  right. No, it's all situational.
• 38:55
  It's all situational. But I tell you what, I did get a
• 38:56
  good one the other day, but it was like the day after I moved
• 38:59
  from Glasgow. It's good that you're see,
• 39:02
  you're starting to get you like that, you know what I mean?
• 39:03
  That. Was from the Danny Filth one
• 39:06
  because everyone was just like Oh my God, because that one, you
• 39:08
  know why that one worked? Because he's super fucking
• 39:10
  interesting and I love the fucking band.
• 39:12
  So it was just. So you're engaged and he's
• 39:13
  engaged and then like so that's. And I think he enjoyed it.
• 39:16
  You know what funny thing is about me and Danny Filth?
• 39:19
  Now we're boys, but like, which is crazy.
• 39:21
  But like, he, like, asked me for some downbeat match, which is
• 39:25
  awesome in itself. But then, like, you think of him
• 39:28
  and how evil he is, I was like, yeah, sure, send me, you know,
• 39:33
  the dress and whatever you want. And then he told me and then I
• 39:37
  sent him the tracking and he said well who?
• 39:42
  We have like 3 exclamation Marks and I'm pretty sure there's
• 39:45
  emoji there. And I was like king of darkness,
• 39:49
  like Mario. Mario.
• 39:52
  But that, yeah, that was. That's fucking awesome.
• 39:54
  That is like, that means he's comfortable.
• 39:56
  Yeah. I mean, Superstar, that's so
• 39:58
  cool. That must have been stoked when
• 39:59
  he's walked in your house. You must have been like fuck
• 40:01
  this. You know, I had to pick him up
• 40:03
  because the the soundtrack ran late and I picked him up and I
• 40:07
  went in there and he was very reserved.
• 40:09
  Did you reach out about it or he didn't or they did?
• 40:12
  I did ages ago. And then they basically told me
• 40:18
  no last minute. I got an e-mail saying do you
• 40:22
  want to do him tomorrow? I was like fuck it, I do.
• 40:24
  And it was like fucking five days before I moved here so it
• 40:26
  was hell to get set up. But like I picked him up.
• 40:30
  They did sound check and they were running late.
• 40:33
  And I was like I said to him backstage, I was like, I don't,
• 40:36
  we don't have to do this. If you want, like I can tell you
• 40:38
  got a lot of stuff on and we got to get there, do it or whatever.
• 40:41
  And he was just, you would expect, I've heard stories about
• 40:44
  him. You would expect him to be like,
• 40:45
  yeah, I don't want to do this. Like he wants to do press
• 40:47
  instead of eating dinner before you play a fucking show.
• 40:49
  And he did. It came and was just like
• 40:52
  awesome and I think he appreciated me not doing you
• 40:56
  know the Jesus is a T-shirt. Sorry again people that own this
• 40:59
  thing for both the C word which Simon will blur out and it's not
• 41:05
  my T-shirt. Yeah, I mean, we're just
• 41:07
  referencing something that exists.
• 41:09
  I just thought this was fun. I think he appreciated that
• 41:12
  because he's been doing press on that T-shirt for 15 years.
• 41:16
  Yeah, I was. Going to say, isn't that like
• 41:17
  old I remember? Like maybe 20 years ago, Yeah.
• 41:20
  And it was like, So what about a T-shirt?
• 41:23
  And then I said to him in. The that's what goes back to
• 41:25
  what I was saying. It's all about the quality.
• 41:27
  Get a nice camera, Cool. But you're going to ask
• 41:29
  questions like that. Yeah, get the fuck out of here.
• 41:31
  You know, I mean, that's why make make podcast equipment more
• 41:33
  expensive. So I tried to just tried to put
• 41:35
  spin on that with that because I was like, I'm not going to ask
• 41:37
  you that T-shirt. However, you've been in some mix
• 41:42
  UPS off the church and he spring to mind and then he brings out
• 41:45
  this insane story about getting arrested at the Vatican, which
• 41:47
  is not in any other bit of press.
• 41:49
  I'm a killer anyway, Tom, about the time you killed a man, you
• 41:55
  haven't had any killed anyone. Ever catch me like fucking
• 41:58
  witch? There's some people.
• 42:03
  Really. Yeah.
• 42:04
  Somebody. How's your anger?
• 42:07
  You're right. You going back to the gym yet or
• 42:11
  what? What's the deal?
• 42:13
  February 1st. You've planned it.
• 42:15
  Just because I forgot what it was, but it was like we were
• 42:20
  travelling a bunch and then like we just had, you know, Robbie,
• 42:24
  our second daughter and like, so we put the gym membership on
• 42:28
  hold and it reactivates on February 1st automatically.
• 42:31
  I'll come down, steal a day, pass it's.
• 42:34
  Awesome dude. Hot tub.
• 42:36
  I tried every single. We still need to talk about the
• 42:38
  rest of our single, but we'll go back, yeah.
• 42:40
  Let's do it. We didn't touch it nearly
• 42:42
  enough. It was just hard to play.
• 42:44
  No, it doesn't matter. Let me let me check our time
• 42:46
  because I want. 1052, we're chilling, yeah.
• 42:50
  Wish I had a coffee. That's not my, that's not my
• 42:54
  bag. I.
• 42:54
  Wish I had a coffee if I just say it to the camera.
• 42:57
  Coffee. Imagine someone comes in with a
• 43:00
  coffee I would be fucking. I feel really rude by maybe I'll
• 43:03
  tip them. If I haven't explained it, we're
• 43:07
  in someone else's podcast studio right now and they are watching
• 43:10
  us and they're lovely people. It's very professional, much
• 43:13
  more professional than me. I tried every single gym in
• 43:16
  Nashville. We're going to talk about the
• 43:17
  song in a minute. Shut up.
• 43:19
  Every single gym. Well, I've tried 8 different
• 43:22
  gyms. And the dog shit.
• 43:23
  I settled on the one that's closest to my house, which it
• 43:26
  was the last one I did. This one I always used to go to
• 43:28
  on tour and then I was like, let me just try all the other ones
• 43:31
  because there's this one in the nations I don't know my places
• 43:34
  now called Carbon. And it's like where all the
• 43:36
  influence of bodybuilder people go.
• 43:40
  Top ten worst gyms I've ever been in my life.
• 43:42
  I could see 6 tripods at one point.
• 43:46
  It was 2:00 PM on a Tuesday. Tuesday, you would think 2:00 PM
• 43:53
  you're going to be able to get anything completely round and it
• 43:56
  was 125 bucks a month for that, no?
• 43:59
  Have you? You've been to the.
• 44:00
  Yeah, yeah. Oh baby, you're going to go
• 44:02
  there and you'll be like, is it worth the drive?
• 44:05
  No, the one that's close to me is good and it's 4 minutes away
• 44:09
  from me, which when you add 20 minutes there, 20 minutes back,
• 44:13
  40 minutes into a day. Yeah, you're talking about an
• 44:15
  two hours. At Mate 3.
• 44:17
  Maybe 2 1/2, yeah. Yeah.
• 44:19
  So I'll go for, I go once a week to use your day pass, but I'm
• 44:24
  not paying for that. Yeah.
• 44:26
  Anyway, the song Can you remember?
• 44:29
  This is what I was trying to think.
• 44:30
  Can you remember writing? It yeah, I do.
• 44:32
  Oh, because I don't. It was an accident.
• 44:34
  It was an accident. What happened?
• 44:35
  I went and then we made a song. We started from the intro. 100%.
• 44:41
  Interest. It was great.
• 44:42
  I could. I could picture it.
• 44:44
  We wrote that song in fucking 10 minutes.
• 44:47
  There's always fortune teller was another 10 minute.
• 44:49
  Yeah. And then sometimes it's just
• 44:51
  fucking clicks. There's a lot of those songs on
• 44:53
  that record, on the record that's coming out, that the
• 44:58
  title track was the only riff. I came in with the chorus of
• 45:02
  that track, which we'll probably do another episode when the
• 45:05
  record comes out. Not true, by the way.
• 45:07
  No. No, we had like you.
• 45:09
  Don't want me on four times. We had, if we, we had like a
• 45:12
  bunch of stuff. You did.
• 45:14
  Oh, not me, right? Not me.
• 45:16
  I had so much. Came in with one riff, yeah.
• 45:18
  Yeah, yeah, we got it done. We that's the problem though,
• 45:22
  record time. The problem is we got it done in
• 45:24
  record time with the least amount of prep.
• 45:27
  That's addictive. Yeah.
• 45:28
  You want the record. You know what, honestly, what
• 45:30
  was what was like euphoric was finishing guitars and Will and
• 45:36
  Steve both going. That's probably the fastest
• 45:40
  anyone's ever tracked their guitars in the history of our
• 45:42
  studio. And I went.
• 45:45
  What? Written and tracked.
• 45:49
  In and out in Smash. How many days was?
• 45:51
  It we we wrote the record I. Did pre writing.
• 45:56
  Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, we had some shit and I
• 45:58
  had some idea like I want to do a thing like this.
• 46:00
  I want to do that. Like I think I had one of the
• 46:04
  songs like the the chorus. I had that idea for like
• 46:06
  forever, the one that I want to play in London.
• 46:09
  Yeah. But like the end of that song,
• 46:11
  we wrote that in 5 minutes. That was that was from you don't
• 46:15
  don't, don't, don't all that don't, don't don't.
• 46:20
  Yeah, you literally made that Tom part and you're like yeah,
• 46:24
  flips and fucking whatever and I.
• 46:26
  Just and we did I only figured out afterwards because we were
• 46:30
  looking for him a sugar vibe. Yeah made the Tom pattern.
• 46:35
  We can actually just talk about the song.
• 46:37
  The the the working title is Miller, you son of a bitch,
• 46:41
  which is an and incorrect Dylan, you son of a bitch from
• 46:45
  Predator. When they do their hand, yeah,
• 46:48
  the bicep, hand slap, whatever it is, handshake.
• 46:53
  Because we finally made a song that had Deftones and my sugar.
• 46:56
  If you slice it down the middle, what you could literally be
• 46:59
  like, who wrote which part? Yeah, the first half of the song
• 47:02
  is so obviously I wrote it. And then second-half is so
• 47:05
  obvious. He wrote it and I was just like,
• 47:07
  yeah, it's awesome. That's.
• 47:08
  Just me and you. The Miller came from the noise
• 47:11
  of the chaff grenade from that would be a solid, which
• 47:14
  hopefully is still in the song. It's in there.
• 47:16
  That was actually the one thing I met.
• 47:17
  I talked about this the other day with someone because they
• 47:21
  were like just talking about writing the record.
• 47:22
  Like, yeah, I really don't want to change this part.
• 47:24
  I was like, I told my band that. Like I said, hey, no one ever
• 47:29
  bring up taking this out of the song.
• 47:31
  It's staying in and I'm not having a conversation.
• 47:34
  Just this one part and then you guys went.
• 47:36
  No one said anything. I remember that, but I was just
• 47:39
  like that's fine, but never bring it up and it was the Metal
• 47:42
  Gear Solid noise, so stupid, but I was just like I love it like
• 47:47
  it was exactly what I wanted to hear.
• 47:48
  It wasn't even like oh I want to use that for Metal Gear Solid,
• 47:51
  but I was asking will to help me make this like I don't even.
• 47:55
  Jangly. It was like, yeah, it was like a
• 47:56
  jangly noise. And I was like, what is it?
• 47:57
  I was like, you know what it is? I was like, it sounds.
• 47:59
  I want it to sound like this, this the chaff grenade from
• 48:02
  Metal Gear Solid. And I was like, actually just
• 48:05
  put, put that in for now, like just so it could be there.
• 48:07
  And then it was there and I was like, all right, no one ever
• 48:09
  talk about this. It's staying and I'm not having
• 48:11
  a conversation. But anyway, yeah, we wrote a lot
• 48:14
  of it really quick. And then towards the end there
• 48:20
  was one or two. We were like, I think I gave you
• 48:22
  everything I got. I left.
• 48:26
  But yeah, I don't know, we'll see one day that record just
• 48:28
  going to appear. I'm going to go, I'm going to go
• 48:32
  kube stairs. So we started with the intro
• 48:34
  yeah, then the verse and then I remember.
• 48:41
  So the verse was just sorry, the chorus first the verse.
• 48:46
  I can't remember how that got written.
• 48:48
  That's probably you and then I. Versus 100% me because it's
• 48:51
  literally. A. 100% because that I literally
• 48:53
  was to catch you wanted to make like a like a dancy part.
• 48:56
  Yeah. And it was so we just, it was
• 48:58
  literally just and I just fucking and then you did the fun
• 49:05
  stuff. And I think the pre chorus bit
• 49:09
  after that, yeah, was Tom Will saying just do something crazy
• 49:15
  on the drums. And then I made like a little
• 49:16
  crazy drum beat and then we figured.
• 49:19
  Out the chorus. And no but then we would like it
• 49:21
  was have a cool claps on it pre chorus.
• 49:23
  But yeah, the pre chorus, we added the claps to it which went
• 49:26
  in dude this. So we did.
• 49:28
  It started from the fucking skiing, whatever.
• 49:32
  Then we did the chorus, which we said sounds like Nickelback.
• 49:35
  Yeah, shout out to her. And then, yeah, we call the
• 49:39
  Power Man 5001 because it sounded.
• 49:41
  A bit like. Power Man 5000 and yeah, and
• 49:44
  then the breakdown. First song that we've one of the
• 49:47
  first songs that we've truly written in order of part yeah,
• 49:50
  instead of being I've got a breakdown.
• 49:51
  Let's get. There I showed it to Isaac, an
• 49:57
  Oculus Isaac. No, God, it's engineering this.
• 49:59
  No, you can hear it. I mean, you can hear it, but I
• 50:03
  showed it to Isaac and he's just like man, he's like you guys.
• 50:06
  I forgot what how he said it but it was a compliment of just like
• 50:10
  you always just nail this this songwriting formula of like
• 50:14
  intro, verse pre chorus, chorus, verse pre chorus.
• 50:19
  Breakdown. Sometimes the chorus again.
• 50:22
  Chorus, he's like, it's just you nail that every time.
• 50:24
  I was like, why do we do that? It's so weird because it's not
• 50:27
  like a conscious thing. We got to have that, but.
• 50:29
  Like just as how I like to listen to a song.
• 50:31
  Yeah, same. Get me to the breakdown and if
• 50:34
  that chorus was really catching back, give it back to me.
• 50:37
  And also give it back to me at half speed.
• 50:38
  I was watching I was watching the video last night because
• 50:42
  neck is almost done with it and like, you know who's so good in
• 50:45
  that video is fucking Drew. He's so good of.
• 50:48
  Course he is. He's I love you, you're a
• 50:51
  fucking nightmare. But you're the fucking best,
• 50:55
  most vocalist, every single fucking vocalist on planet
• 50:58
  Earth. That's good.
• 51:00
  That's good is a fucking nightmare.
• 51:02
  Like a nice way? I mean, it's just, it's just
• 51:05
  artists in general. Like everyone that's creative is
• 51:10
  on a scale of one to 10 of mental illness.
• 51:13
  I'm not even joking. And some people are ones and
• 51:16
  some people are 10s, right? And most of them float between
• 51:19
  4:00 and 8:00, No 7. And, and the ones that are good
• 51:26
  and the ones that are not, like the ones that aren't that crazy,
• 51:31
  like they're usually never good, you know what I mean?
• 51:33
  Like what? What vocalist have you heard
• 51:36
  that's good? And he's just like a normal
• 51:38
  person I. Can think of so many.
• 51:40
  Really that are good and that are good and normal.
• 51:43
  No, but they're like quote UN quote good, but like they're
• 51:46
  stage presence. I think the madness is in the
• 51:50
  stage presence and in the the complexity of the performance
• 51:58
  vocally because there is a lot of good metal core singers with
• 52:04
  that Fries. The fries, like, I mean good how
• 52:07
  we'd think of good. I'm not like technically sound.
• 52:11
  No, Yeah, but there's, but it lines up the ones that are
• 52:14
  technically sound. And then stage presence is zero.
• 52:18
  Yeah, they're they're sane. I mean good.
• 52:20
  I mean good. Yeah, not.
• 52:21
  Talking. Crazy, but you just you, you
• 52:24
  have to if you aren't insane like you're most likely not
• 52:27
  good. And I again, I don't mean
• 52:29
  technically sound because yeah, there's some like good like, oh,
• 52:33
  they do cool fry screams. What is that?
• 52:36
  Yeah, that's what I was thinking on.
• 52:39
  Get out of here. Get out of here.
• 52:41
  I'm all about technique because like, you know, sometimes you
• 52:45
  need to be able to do it 150 times a year and sometimes more
• 52:49
  than that if you're tracking a record.
• 52:50
  Like a vocalist will sing or scream sometimes for six hours
• 52:56
  with a producer. So like you need to, there's
• 52:59
  technique and but then there's also like or like training and
• 53:03
  just taking care of it. But then you have Brendan Murphy
• 53:05
  who's like admitting he's like, I do nothing.
• 53:08
  I just get out there and start yelling.
• 53:09
  And he's got one of the best voices to ever come out of the
• 53:13
  genre ever. And like, you know, but then
• 53:16
  there's some people that just need to like, I mean, Drew would
• 53:18
  fall on that too. Drew doesn't.
• 53:19
  I mean, he he doesn't really warm up.
• 53:22
  I don't like, he goes into, like, a corridor.
• 53:24
  He goes like that, Yeah, like, just to, like, get it fired up.
• 53:27
  But like, Drew picks it up and goes, you know what I mean?
• 53:30
  So it's like, you know, some people can do that.
• 53:32
  Sam Carter's only recently started warming up.
• 53:34
  Sam Carter warms up, but he's. But he's.
• 53:36
  But he sings, though. He does.
• 53:37
  And I mean, he's insane. Yeah, like he is.
• 53:40
  Yeah, he's my best friend. He's a fucking psycho.
• 53:42
  No, I mean like, I mean, he is, but he's but I mean more so like
• 53:45
  vocally, I mean he's one of the best to ever do it ever like the
• 53:49
  summit. He's also mad.
• 53:50
  Yeah, of course, 100%. No, absolutely.
• 53:54
  But I mean, I would say that on a scale of one to 10, he's a
• 53:56
  three. You know, he's like maybe a
• 53:58
  four. Yeah, I don't really.
• 53:59
  We don't work with him, though. I don't know.
• 54:01
  I don't know. He's a he's a zero to me because
• 54:04
  I love him. He's.
• 54:05
  Got to be a 1. He can't be a zero, Yeah.
• 54:07
  He's probably 1, but like, in terms of madness.
• 54:10
  But he's one of the best ever do it right.
• 54:11
  So it's like, like you could just like even from just knowing
• 54:14
  when we don't have to work with them, but you could know them
• 54:16
  and know they're insane and like, and then they're usually
• 54:19
  fucking great, you know, It just comes along with the territory.
• 54:21
  Like that charisma, that ability to do insane shit like comes
• 54:26
  from a brain that is just not ordinary, you know?
• 54:29
  I was, like all artists, 100% fucking.
• 54:32
  Here's the thing, you're on it and I'm.
• 54:34
  Like a fucking 9. You're no, I wouldn't put you as
• 54:37
  a nine. I'm on it too, but I would say
• 54:39
  I'm probably on the lower end right but like.
• 54:42
  But I'm a fucking. Nine, what's up?
• 54:44
  I'm a nine. No, you.
• 54:46
  For some reason me and you never bought heads.
• 54:48
  No, me and everyone else bought heads.
• 54:50
  Everyone else I work with. Yeah.
• 54:51
  OK. So then to me you're like a 5,
• 54:54
  but that's why you're you're good.
• 54:56
  It's like like no one gets as good as if you're really good.
• 55:00
  No one gets as good as you are without being, I wonder.
• 55:04
  What it is like, do you develop the madness, or is it the
• 55:08
  madness that made you get that good?
• 55:10
  It's the madness that made you that good, 100% Do you think,
• 55:13
  like, Thom Yorke was like, normal ever, you know what I
• 55:17
  mean? Like, do you ever think that
• 55:18
  like fucking? And I'm trying to think of who
• 55:22
  else is like, sick everyone, I mean, yeah, but it's all you
• 55:26
  know what I mean? Like like you.
• 55:27
  Here's the. Thing being in a band.
• 55:29
  Being all those, they're probably mutants, right?
• 55:32
  But like, look at what they did, right.
• 55:34
  So to be in a band, to be an artist, probably for anything
• 55:38
  but I I only have relationship with music.
• 55:40
  Obviously you have to be stupid. It's not it's not financially
• 55:45
  viable unless you get, you know, you work hard and you're kind of
• 55:50
  lucky too, you know, but it's like you have to be dumb to do
• 55:53
  it. Like, you know what I mean?
• 55:54
  Like, I look at what we did back in the day and now we used to
• 56:00
  book tours ourselves on Myspace and shit.
• 56:05
  And man, I remember we did a record with Kurt Ballou and he
• 56:11
  told me they used to book tours by writing letters.
• 56:14
  They'd write a letter to a promoter and wait for a letter
• 56:16
  to come home. How ridiculous is that?
• 56:18
  That's crazy. Kind of sick.
• 56:20
  It's fucking awesome. Yeah, it's great.
• 56:21
  And then. But anyway, like it, you know,
• 56:24
  we do. We used to go and play shows for
• 56:28
  fucking 50 bucks if we were lucky.
• 56:31
  And then like, you know, I remember what I was doing was I
• 56:34
  was dealing poker cards like I I was a poker dealer in like a
• 56:39
  sketchy underground, whatever, and I made a lot of money work
• 56:43
  two days a week. I was like, fucking.
• 56:45
  She's the most. Like 1718.
• 56:47
  New York. Oh dude, you have no idea.
• 56:49
  Big, big dude that looked like a meatball at the door with a gun.
• 56:54
  You know, like one of those things where you walk through
• 56:55
  the first door and then the door closes and then you have to look
• 56:58
  up at the camera and then they bug you in.
• 57:00
  Like it was legit. It was legit.
• 57:01
  There's like people making food for you and like, it was
• 57:04
  awesome. But dude, like I would work a
• 57:06
  night and, you know, make 1000 bucks and which is a lot of
• 57:12
  money back then. And so I did that twice a night
• 57:15
  and I saved a lot of it. And you know, bought that,
• 57:21
  bought a lot of equipment that way and like, you know, had a
• 57:24
  van which my parents helped me out with the van.
• 57:28
  But like literally it's like, oh, we're going to buy you your
• 57:30
  first car. It's like, oh, I'll take the van
• 57:32
  literally. That's what we did.
• 57:33
  And my first car was a van that we went on tour with.
• 57:35
  And so but we used to like fund being in a band and like what?
• 57:40
  And it wouldn't go that far. Like like going on tour with
• 57:43
  like a couple 1000 bucks. It's like hard.
• 57:45
  So like what we would do is we would shower in hotel pools,
• 57:51
  like grab a bar of soap and go into a hotel pool and and
• 57:55
  shower, sleep in a hotel parking lot, wake up, eat the eat the
• 57:58
  continental breakfast fast and then bounce, you know?
• 58:02
  What like go in? Like we were like we looked, we
• 58:06
  were in pyjamas. We looked like we just woke up.
• 58:07
  He's like good morning and they just.
• 58:10
  You come in from the outside door, Yeah.
• 58:14
  And then we would, you know, man, we would go to Chinese,
• 58:19
  Chinese restaurants and like you could get white rice for $0.50.
• 58:24
  So we'd get five of them with just soy sauce and duck sauce
• 58:27
  packets. And, and just that would be we
• 58:28
  would eat that. We used to do this thing to
• 58:30
  where where we would steal from McDonald's, where Drew would get
• 58:38
  out of the van, van goes and we ordered 20 Mcdoubles or
• 58:43
  whatever, like a dollar. So it's 20 bucks for 20 burgers
• 58:46
  at the drive through. So we go and then what the we
• 58:50
  had A and then Drew would be waiting in between the van and
• 58:53
  the trailer and the code word when they were about to give the
• 58:58
  bag to us, I'd go, oh, can I, can we have like a handful of
• 59:02
  ketchup that told Drew the bag's coming.
• 59:06
  And then they'd go get the ketchup and then they'd go to
• 59:09
  give the bag to me and Drew would come and take it like a
• 59:11
  football and run. I swear to God, dude, I swear to
• 59:15
  God. And then what?
• 59:16
  When did it stop? We would, we would both go,
• 59:18
  whoa, oh, what was that? And we're like, wow, that was
• 59:21
  that was insane. That's someone just took it.
• 59:24
  And then more. What what about our food?
• 59:27
  And like, we'll make you some other ones and they give us 20.
• 59:29
  So we got 40 for 20. And then you split.
• 59:31
  And then we split them up. 40. Mcdoubles with.
• 59:35
  I mean, there was like 7 people in the van, but I mean, maybe we
• 59:39
  ordered 10, got 20, I don't know.
• 59:40
  But it was just like that's. The dream come back to me we.
• 59:43
  Would go pick him up like a block down the road.
• 59:45
  Such true activity. Yeah, I mean, dude, it was, it
• 59:48
  was funny, but like we just had no money.
• 59:50
  So again, it goes back to you had to be an idiot to do this
• 59:53
  stuff and like cuz like who does that?
• 59:55
  It's like, oh, you go away for a month and come home broke.
• 59:58
  And sleep on floors. Sleep on floors in strangers
• 1:00:02
  houses. But that's what I'm saying,
• 1:00:03
  like, yes, you need to be crazy to want to do that in the 1st
• 1:00:08
  place, but then also there must be some madness that comes from
• 1:00:11
  putting yourself through that for so long.
• 1:00:13
  I think that's a lot of my shares.
• 1:00:15
  I remember on the Southeast Asia tour, I can't remember where it
• 1:00:18
  was. Well, that was when nuts there.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah, when we hadn't slept in days and I was a point when the
• 1:00:23
  plane was landing and something switched in my head and I just
• 1:00:27
  went, I hope this plane crashes and I die right now.
• 1:00:30
  We were all on that. Ever since then I have had a
• 1:00:35
  very strange relationship with death.
• 1:00:37
  Like it was like something just snapped in my head on that
• 1:00:40
  fucking day. Yeah, I have.
• 1:00:42
  I had. I used to be that too.
• 1:00:44
  That tore a lot of us, lost our minds.
• 1:00:46
  And it's funny because I'm working on counterparts going
• 1:00:49
  back to Southeast Asia since since we went together and
• 1:00:53
  what's good. Random fucking broke on that
• 1:00:55
  tour. We everyone did, bro, everybody
• 1:00:57
  broke and they should have like that was Remember Me and that
• 1:01:01
  Indonesia airport bro, I lost my I've never blown a gasket like
• 1:01:04
  that before my life. And and it's because we just
• 1:01:06
  straight up didn't sleep. We would literally have we ever
• 1:01:09
  told this story? This is a good one.
• 1:01:11
  I think we might have put it might not be on the audio 1 so.
• 1:01:14
  Whatever, I'll tell it again and skip a few then.
• 1:01:17
  Anyway, so we go to Japan and it was awesome in Australian
• 1:01:22
  counterparts and this is before I worked with counterparts, but
• 1:01:27
  but we were good friends. We just did everything together.
• 1:01:29
  Anyway, I remember we we finished the Japanese tour and
• 1:01:33
  we get in the van and we were loading up like duffel bags full
• 1:01:37
  of merch. And I remember Brendan goes,
• 1:01:39
  what is all of that, right? I was like, it's merch.
• 1:01:42
  He goes, why the fuck are you bringing all this shit?
• 1:01:45
  And I went to him and I was just like, how many people do you
• 1:01:48
  think are going to these shows? And he was just like, I don't
• 1:01:50
  know, fifty 100. And I was like, the Philippines
• 1:01:54
  is almost 1000 people. Indonesia sold out 1000 people
• 1:01:59
  and Singapore sold out like 300 people.
• 1:02:01
  And he was just like, his face was like, oh fuck.
• 1:02:04
  And they had to. So they printed like 150 shirts,
• 1:02:11
  50 shirts for each show on like the worst blank you'll ever
• 1:02:15
  imagine. Which Which now I know a lot
• 1:02:17
  about printing clothes. Yeah, they were in the best
• 1:02:20
  place in the world and. They got the worst possible.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah. But what was crazy is, and now
• 1:02:26
  that I know. So like, I, I have all the data
• 1:02:28
  for Counterparts and like, you know, you, if you look at like
• 1:02:31
  the streaming data for any band, it's London, LA, Chicago,
• 1:02:38
  Dallas. A lot of Times Now it's
• 1:02:41
  Melbourne. Like because Australia's killing
• 1:02:43
  it. Counterparts #1 streamed city in
• 1:02:47
  the world is Jakarta by a lot more than Toronto.
• 1:02:51
  That's crazy. Like, so like, yeah, like
• 1:02:53
  they're going to go there. And anyway, remember when we
• 1:02:55
  were there with them, they put up these 50 shirts and they sold
• 1:02:57
  them in 90 seconds, literally as fast as you could literally
• 1:03:01
  exchange money and they were like fucking stars.
• 1:03:05
  But anyway, that's, that's, that's side effects.
• 1:03:06
  We do Japan. We go Japan right into the first
• 1:03:10
  show. No, we had a day off in
• 1:03:11
  Philippines, but we were still pretty cooked.
• 1:03:13
  So we go to the Philippines. I remember they were like, all
• 1:03:15
  right, here's your hotel room. And I was like 1 room for like
• 1:03:19
  the six of us. And they're like, yeah.
• 1:03:21
  And we're like, all right. And then we, you and I went to
• 1:03:23
  the front. We're like, how much is a room
• 1:03:24
  here? And they're like, whatever the
• 1:03:25
  fuck their currency was. And then we look it up and was
• 1:03:28
  like, that's $20, let's just get another room.
• 1:03:31
  So we do that. We play the show.
• 1:03:33
  Show is fucking great. And then that night they take us
• 1:03:38
  to the airport and we get on online and it's straying
• 1:03:43
  counterparts and like 40 pieces of luggage, right?
• 1:03:47
  And I remember we get to the front.
• 1:03:48
  Bear in mind this is like 4:00 AM after we played a show.
• 1:03:51
  After we played a show, Yeah. So play a show.
• 1:03:52
  Shows over at 11, you're loaded out by 12.
• 1:03:54
  They bring it to the airport at one and your flight's at 4:00
• 1:03:57
  and you're going to Indonesia. There's no sleep.
• 1:03:59
  There's no visas. So like, you know, when we get
• 1:04:02
  to Philippines, like we're walking through immigration and
• 1:04:04
  some guy meets us and he's like, oh, don't worry about it.
• 1:04:06
  We're like, what? And then they walk up to the
• 1:04:09
  counter and he goes and whispers in the ear and they just wave us
• 1:04:11
  through and I'm just like, God damn it.
• 1:04:13
  OK, it was like pre 911 it. Was crazy.
• 1:04:16
  So anyway we're on now we're in the airport and it's late as
• 1:04:20
  fuck and I'm in the front with Brendan and I go, we go and
• 1:04:25
  we're like alright here's our flights and they're like OK
• 1:04:27
  cool. The bags are $4000 and I was
• 1:04:31
  like, the bags aren't paid for and they're like, no, none of
• 1:04:34
  them. And I'm like, so we're like, I
• 1:04:38
  was like, we didn't book these flights.
• 1:04:40
  The promoter book these flights like these are supposed to be
• 1:04:41
  paid for and they're like, oh, it's $4000.
• 1:04:44
  I'm like, God damn it. So mind you, there's there's
• 1:04:46
  people lining up. Behind this vividly remember all
• 1:04:48
  of. This, I'll never forget it.
• 1:04:49
  So it's us at the front and then twelve members of straight from
• 1:04:54
  the path and counterparts and then civilians that are waiting
• 1:04:57
  to get on the airport on to an airplane.
• 1:05:00
  I call our booking agent and I'm like, dude, these bags aren't
• 1:05:03
  paid for. I'm not like they want 4 grand
• 1:05:06
  for me and it's quiet for a second.
• 1:05:08
  He goes, all right, you should try bribing them.
• 1:05:11
  And I'm like, Oh my God, I've never bribed anyone.
• 1:05:14
  I. Remember watching the Bride?
• 1:05:15
  It was fucking good, dude. I nailed this bride.
• 1:05:17
  So listen to this. So I'm on the phone and this is
• 1:05:19
  the way it is. I'm just like, I was like, all
• 1:05:21
  right, hold on. And I go, how much are the bags?
• 1:05:25
  They go how much are the bags? And like $4000.
• 1:05:28
  I was like, OK, so how much do I have to give you for the bags?
• 1:05:31
  So much. They're like, they're like
• 1:05:34
  $4000. And I was like, I understand
• 1:05:37
  that. I was like, but how much could I
• 1:05:40
  give you to put these bags on the plane?
• 1:05:44
  And they went $4000. And I just go, it's not working,
• 1:05:48
  bro. It's not gonna work.
• 1:05:49
  I. Remember it?
• 1:05:51
  Sorry. And then this is where the tide
• 1:05:52
  turned and I was like, what? He's like, alright, I'm gonna
• 1:05:54
  call the promoter. It's fucking two AM, 3:00 AM,
• 1:05:56
  whatever. So we're like, oh, OK.
• 1:05:59
  And then I remember Brendan just sat.
• 1:06:00
  Down sat down and we all sat down.
• 1:06:01
  And we're like, OK. And then just literally like
• 1:06:03
  you're the, you're the person and and we're us.
• 1:06:05
  We're just like, OK. We all sat down.
• 1:06:08
  It's like however many of us 2 full bands.
• 1:06:10
  With just so much fall back line and.
• 1:06:12
  We were there early, so everyone was behind us.
• 1:06:14
  We were in the front and then and then we were just sitting
• 1:06:16
  like, OK. And we stared at each other and
• 1:06:17
  they're like, can we have to take care of the other guests?
• 1:06:20
  Like, do you mind moving? And we went no.
• 1:06:22
  And we just stood there and stared at each.
• 1:06:24
  Other in AUS airport you would get arrested.
• 1:06:27
  But we dude, it was like, what, what else we supposed to do?
• 1:06:30
  Like, like even if we did have the money, which I'm sure we
• 1:06:32
  did, but like I'm not, it's not like that was like, oh, we got
• 1:06:35
  100 grand in the bank paying for it.
• 1:06:37
  So I was like, no, I like they're like, can you move?
• 1:06:39
  No, And we're just staring at and then they're like, and they
• 1:06:42
  go get someone, someone goes, he goes, here's what I'm going to
• 1:06:45
  do. I'm upgrading everyone to 1st
• 1:06:47
  class tickets. You're not sitting first class,
• 1:06:50
  but everyone's going to get a first class ticket and then you
• 1:06:53
  have to pay me $400.00 for these bags.
• 1:06:56
  That's the best you're going to get.
• 1:06:58
  And I, we were like, all right, I'll do that and I'll get, I can
• 1:07:03
  go get the four because the first class ticket came with
• 1:07:05
  like 3 bags a person. So we got to put everything on
• 1:07:07
  the on the plane for for. But do we pay for that or did
• 1:07:10
  he? Paid 400 bucks and then at
• 1:07:11
  later. This is where I lost my mind.
• 1:07:13
  So then we get to Jakarta and I go and the promoter for the
• 1:07:17
  entire tour was in Jakarta and I go to him and I'm like, we had
• 1:07:22
  to pay for these bags, dude. And they wanted 4 grand and we
• 1:07:24
  were there for like fucking 45 minutes.
• 1:07:26
  Like, you know, bartering, like about a barter, bro.
• 1:07:30
  I play guitar and he's like, oh, he's like dear managers.
• 1:07:33
  Well. Be fucking off.
• 1:07:34
  Well, at the time, I mean, I guess at the time I was, but
• 1:07:37
  still I managed like one or two bands.
• 1:07:39
  But anyway, I was like, I was like, the bags weren't paid for.
• 1:07:42
  They wanted 4 grand for us and I and like, I just don't want to
• 1:07:46
  have to deal with that tonight. We're we're on no sleep.
• 1:07:48
  Like it was literally we landed like noon and then we go to the
• 1:07:52
  hotel for two hours and then we're going to go to the venue
• 1:07:55
  to do our thing. And then we're and then after
• 1:07:57
  the show go to the airport to then go to Singapore.
• 1:07:59
  And it was like, so we weren't sleeping again.
• 1:08:02
  So I was like, dude, the bags need to be figured out.
• 1:08:04
  And he goes, oh, he's like, the bags will be figured.
• 1:08:06
  I promise we'll get reimbursed for that.
• 1:08:07
  I'm like, OK, bring us to the hotel.
• 1:08:10
  We go to the hotel. That's where there was the
• 1:08:11
  protest outside where we couldn't sleep.
• 1:08:13
  Remember we told that story for sure.
• 1:08:15
  But anyway, then we do that, we go to the venue, we sound check.
• 1:08:18
  I see the promoter again. I was like, are we good tonight?
• 1:08:20
  Like we're good for these bags. Like, dude, enjoy yourself.
• 1:08:22
  It's going to be awesome. Show's gonna be great.
• 1:08:24
  Bags are taken care of. Sounds good, show is awesome.
• 1:08:29
  I mean, our our set was like good counterpart set was like
• 1:08:33
  ridiculous, ridiculous. And then now it's like they're
• 1:08:37
  streaming that. It makes so much sense because
• 1:08:39
  people were like, like, like TomTom And I was like, oh, they
• 1:08:43
  want to take a picture of me. That's cool.
• 1:08:44
  What's up? They're like, where's Brendan?
• 1:08:46
  I'm like, fuck, like damn it. And then I remember one person
• 1:08:49
  was just like tom-tom, Tom. And again, second time, I'll
• 1:08:52
  never forget this. I was like, what's up?
• 1:08:54
  Like, can you do me a huge favor?
• 1:08:56
  I was like, anything, what's up? He's like, can you call Sam
• 1:08:58
  Carter for I was like, what? Like you got to call Sam right
• 1:09:02
  now and tell him to come here. And I was like, I'm not calling
• 1:09:04
  Sam. I'm like, all right, see you
• 1:09:05
  later, whatever. Anyway, so then we go from the
• 1:09:09
  venue to the airport and again, he's assured me all day.
• 1:09:12
  We get to the airport, we wheel our bags to the counter and he's
• 1:09:16
  he's carrying our guitars. I'll never forget wheels them
• 1:09:18
  up, the guitar stand up. He looks at me and goes, the
• 1:09:21
  bags aren't paid for. I remember that and and they're
• 1:09:23
  not going to be paid for and I went.
• 1:09:26
  Motherfucker in the middle of the day I.
• 1:09:29
  Lost it, dude, Lost it. And I was like, motherfucker, I
• 1:09:32
  was going. I don't even remember what I'm
• 1:09:33
  saying, but I remember I went motherfucker and I screamed at
• 1:09:35
  the top of my lungs and again, I'm not right.
• 1:09:37
  They had no one is because we just haven't slept in like 3
• 1:09:40
  days and and it's really intense travel and I'm just like I was
• 1:09:45
  like I fucking all day, all day. I get this.
• 1:09:48
  I was going crazy dude. I got even right now I'm getting
• 1:09:50
  like PTSD and what saved it was we were going to Singapore and I
• 1:09:56
  bluffed and I went fuck this. I was like, we're just going to
• 1:09:59
  Australia, fuck Singapore, whatever.
• 1:10:01
  And the band. So what happened was the Jakarta
• 1:10:04
  promoter and the Singapore promoter put each other's bands
• 1:10:06
  on these shows. So, so the the promoter for
• 1:10:10
  Singapore was playing our show of.
• 1:10:12
  These guys. They saved the day.
• 1:10:14
  So this, this, yeah, I'm going to get to the good part.
• 1:10:16
  So they were, they hear me say fuck this, we're just going to
• 1:10:21
  Australia and they're like, yo, no, our show sold out like this.
• 1:10:25
  You got to come and I'm like, you think I'm paying one fucking
• 1:10:29
  cent for these bags after all day?
• 1:10:31
  Like this is supposed to be taken care of.
• 1:10:32
  This isn't our deal. We're not even getting paid a
• 1:10:34
  lot. We're doing this book for
• 1:10:35
  fucking fun. Supposed fun.
• 1:10:37
  Yeah, supposed fun. It was actually torture.
• 1:10:39
  And so you know, cuz look, I'm not like, you know me, I'm not
• 1:10:44
  one to be like, you got to make this right?
• 1:10:48
  I paid money like I'm not like that, you know, like I'm not,
• 1:10:51
  I'm like, let's figure it out, whatever.
• 1:10:53
  But I just blow. I lost my mind.
• 1:10:55
  And so anyway, I'd say I was like, I was like, Brandon, we're
• 1:10:59
  going to Australia, fuck this. And they're like, no, no, no
• 1:11:02
  way. So anyway, like they get the the
• 1:11:05
  Indonesian promoter to pay for the bags and then they're like,
• 1:11:09
  they're like come to Singapore and we're going to make all this
• 1:11:11
  right. And I was like, you better lose
• 1:11:14
  my mind. Whatever.
• 1:11:17
  Went through the nicest hotel and we got to sleep a little
• 1:11:19
  bit. They brought out their friend
• 1:11:21
  that gave everyone haircuts. I remember because there's a
• 1:11:23
  Counterparts music video, I think maybe for Monument that's
• 1:11:26
  just like tour footage and there's in there.
• 1:11:28
  Casey, was that his name? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:30
  Good, good dude. And in, in a Counterparts video,
• 1:11:33
  I think it's for Monument, there's a clip of Counterparts
• 1:11:36
  sound checking with me getting my haircut in the middle of the
• 1:11:38
  venue. And that was from him.
• 1:11:40
  And, and then like we played the show.
• 1:11:42
  It was really awesome. And then they took us to this
• 1:11:46
  like, which I'll never forget until I'm I'll remember for the
• 1:11:49
  rest of life 'cause it was one of my favorite tour memories.
• 1:11:51
  They took us to this like food court that was on the water
• 1:11:54
  after the show. And, and we all like had like,
• 1:11:58
  it was like 6 like kind of food truck style, like trailer kind
• 1:12:02
  of vibes. And you go and you pick up and
• 1:12:03
  we get on these picnic benches in in front of the water with
• 1:12:06
  all these like string lights. And those guys were so awesome,
• 1:12:10
  the Singapore people and, and we just hung out and we ate really
• 1:12:15
  awesome food and like, and it was great.
• 1:12:17
  And I was like, fuck, this is cool.
• 1:12:19
  Go to the airport after that and fly to Australia.
• 1:12:22
  And I'll never forget this. We go to Perth and we were Co
• 1:12:26
  headlining with counterparts and I remember we played last that
• 1:12:29
  day and like I'll never forget we were playing a song and I
• 1:12:34
  started like getting dizzy and felt like I was going to faint
• 1:12:38
  on stage and I couldn't see like my hands like they were like
• 1:12:41
  looked like triple. And after the show I was like,
• 1:12:43
  I'm going to fucking lose it because we had to then fly from
• 1:12:47
  Perth to Melbourne. So the the the travel still
• 1:12:50
  wasn't done. We played Perth, got on a flight
• 1:12:52
  and then got went over to Melbourne and then we went to
• 1:12:55
  Melbourne and had a day off and and no one talked to each other.
• 1:12:58
  We were just passed out for fucking 24 hours.
• 1:13:01
  And that was crazy. But yeah, dude, like that.
• 1:13:03
  Why are we talking about this? You just snapped out of that.
• 1:13:08
  That was a good, that was a good story.
• 1:13:10
  That was great. No one gives a fuck how we we
• 1:13:11
  didn't. Document anything.
• 1:13:13
  No, I would regret it. I would have.
• 1:13:15
  I'll be vlogging it now. Let's do it again.
• 1:13:17
  You know if it goes as bad. So, oh, This is why we're
• 1:13:19
  talking about it. So I'm getting counterparts
• 1:13:20
  ready to go back, but we get to go.
• 1:13:23
  Visas, yeah. Bags paid luxury days off in
• 1:13:27
  between shows. That's the best.
• 1:13:29
  That's what is required. Yeah.
• 1:13:32
  Multiple hotel rooms so that we could all sleep.
• 1:13:34
  Everyone's in their 30s. Like, we're not cramming into
• 1:13:36
  beds. Like wait.
• 1:13:37
  You going with them? Fuck no.
• 1:13:40
  Absolutely. Not I I was going to be
• 1:13:41
  comfortable, but not that. It's going to be, look, here's
• 1:13:44
  the thing, because like they're going to go and do like a
• 1:13:45
  fucking massive show in in Jakarta.
• 1:13:48
  They're going to do the biggest show of their career in
• 1:13:49
  Indonesia. And it's going to be.
• 1:13:51
  Insane. Is there a part of you just
• 1:13:54
  testing it with them so we can do it?
• 1:13:56
  No, no, I mean I would, I would, I would sign the audience with
• 1:13:59
  it. No, I'm not 100% I, but what I
• 1:14:00
  would do is for Stray, I is what I'm doing for counterparts
• 1:14:05
  because I know, I know I would love I would go back because we
• 1:14:08
  didn't really get to see anything.
• 1:14:10
  No, we saw a little bit of the Philippines where?
• 1:14:12
  We were inside of a McDonald's twice in one day.
• 1:14:14
  And Jakarta, Yeah, knows that's where we broke our McDonald's
• 1:14:17
  straight edge. Yeah.
• 1:14:18
  And I've never come back. We never.
• 1:14:19
  Went back that we're fucking full.
• 1:14:21
  Oh, Europe, next week. It's McDonald's time, baby.
• 1:14:25
  It's. McDonald's time.
• 1:14:26
  I'm a meat guy now too. Oh my God, Nando's.
• 1:14:29
  I'm a nuts dude. You're gonna fucking dog.
• 1:14:30
  It's gonna be awesome. Would that be your first meat?
• 1:14:32
  Nando's No. Yep.
• 1:14:34
  I mean, I, I ate it back in 2010, you know what I mean?
• 1:14:37
  But I haven't had it. I haven't eaten meat in 10
• 1:14:39
  years. And now I'm I'm back.
• 1:14:41
  Sick. And I love it.
• 1:14:42
  It's. Great.
• 1:14:43
  But fuck was it so we didn't get the SEA shit.
• 1:14:45
  We saw Singapore, Singapore was awesome.
• 1:14:47
  But now I'm like, I would love a day here.
• 1:14:49
  We didn't get that. So yeah, I would go back like
• 1:14:52
  we're we're looking at doing. You got to work backwards
• 1:14:54
  though. You got to start with Australia
• 1:14:55
  because that's where you make money and it makes it possible.
• 1:14:58
  And then you add Japan, which is the fun one where you don't
• 1:15:00
  really make money. You hope to break even, but
• 1:15:02
  that's where you spend all the. Free vacation.
• 1:15:04
  And it's a free vacation. And then and then there's the
• 1:15:07
  great unknown of Southeast Asia, where it's like the sickest and
• 1:15:10
  best shit you'll ever do and the most insane by far.
• 1:15:13
  The you might get whatever that brain injury people get from
• 1:15:17
  playing fucking football CTECTE, but just from you call the
• 1:15:22
  football not sleeping. You call the football.
• 1:15:24
  I'm doing so much stuff now, Erica Craig.
• 1:15:26
  I'm trying to think there's some things that I have switched to
• 1:15:30
  just because I can't be bothered with the conversation that
• 1:15:33
  happens afterwards. Are you Fahrenheit?
• 1:15:34
  I know. I mean, I'm trying to.
• 1:15:36
  I know it was fucking 61 yesterday and I was like this is
• 1:15:38
  a glorious. It was so.
• 1:15:40
  But I do still have to go and check what it is.
• 1:15:42
  Celsius Celsius is insane to me. I wish I would.
• 1:15:45
  Think about it no as a concept. Makes more sense.
• 1:15:48
  Everything, everything kilometers makes more sense.
• 1:15:51
  But we don't even use those though.
• 1:15:52
  That's what's weird. Oh, this is, this is a thing
• 1:15:54
  that happened with me recently when I was in the DMV.
• 1:15:59
  I got like a blind rage with a random person and I had to stop
• 1:16:02
  myself being like, this is I think it was because I was, I
• 1:16:05
  was real tired. I was sorting it all out and it
• 1:16:08
  was my first like real rude American person out of the blue.
• 1:16:13
  I'm talking to the woman about, you know, how do I do this?
• 1:16:17
  And then what? She's still giving me
• 1:16:19
  information that I need. And this guy who's obviously
• 1:16:21
  waiting in the DMV goes, hey, can I ask you something while
• 1:16:24
  I'm talking to her? And I went, I'm sorry, you're
• 1:16:27
  talking to me or her because we're both having a
• 1:16:29
  conversation. And she was like, you, oh, wait,
• 1:16:31
  you can wait. And then I'll finish this
• 1:16:33
  conversation. And I was like, yes, can I help
• 1:16:36
  you? And he was like, why don't you
• 1:16:37
  guys use kilometers? And I looked down.
• 1:16:42
  I got blind raped, and then I looked down at myself.
• 1:16:46
  I was wearing a Cannibal Corpse Tumor, the Mutilate T-shirt,
• 1:16:50
  which has a zombie getting eaten out by another zombie on the
• 1:16:53
  front of it in National DMV. And I looked at him and I looked
• 1:16:57
  down at myself. Do I look like the sort of
• 1:17:00
  person that knows the answer to that question?
• 1:17:02
  You know who acts like that? My 4 year old.
• 1:17:05
  Like that guy? Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:17:06
  No, yeah. That's how my 4 year old
• 1:17:07
  actually you. Definitely had a man's brain
• 1:17:09
  though, yeah. Like we'll be like, sometimes
• 1:17:11
  I'll talk with that's what I'm saying.
• 1:17:12
  It's like these people are like, they're just not all there, you
• 1:17:15
  know what I mean? It's like like underdeveloped
• 1:17:17
  because sometimes my my 4 year old will be like, we'll be
• 1:17:20
  talking about something and then I'll be like we got pizza
• 1:17:23
  tonight or like, are we going on a trip soon like she'll do?
• 1:17:25
  That she in a band 'cause it sounds like she's.
• 1:17:28
  But like, yeah, he'll be doing that.
• 1:17:29
  I'll be like, oh, yeah, like this happens because of this.
• 1:17:31
  She'll be like, are we going on a trip soon?
• 1:17:33
  Like she'll do that. I'll be like, we can, you know,
• 1:17:36
  like, so. But it's just like that.
• 1:17:37
  It's just like you are talking. And he's like English.
• 1:17:41
  I need to get this. What's the answer?
• 1:17:44
  Excuse me? And it's just like, yeah, like,
• 1:17:47
  you know, it's just so far it's like 4 year old.
• 1:17:49
  Don't see anything. Everything is just slightly
• 1:17:52
  different to the point of annoying though.
• 1:17:54
  Why do Why do people use kilometers?
• 1:17:57
  But just everything in general is just very slightly different
• 1:18:00
  to the point of annoyance and it has been really fucking
• 1:18:03
  difficult. But I'm getting out of it now.
• 1:18:06
  That's what I was going to say the the vlogging thing, like if
• 1:18:08
  we did, if we did Southeast Asia again, I'd like to think I'd
• 1:18:12
  vlog it. But in this last two months, I
• 1:18:15
  was planning on vlogging this whole thing.
• 1:18:16
  It has been so emotionally draining that I just haven't
• 1:18:20
  felt like putting a camera on and going, hey guys, this.
• 1:18:23
  Sucks. So I don't think I would have
• 1:18:25
  done it then if we had someone else to record it.
• 1:18:29
  I'm, I'm talking about having a Gabe or Lexi, you know, like
• 1:18:33
  having one of those people there because that that's their job is
• 1:18:36
  to document. Seen any good movies lately?
• 1:18:39
  I love the new new season, the Squid Game.
• 1:18:41
  I haven't seen it. I seen the original.
• 1:18:43
  Original is fantastic, but the second one is so good.
• 1:18:46
  I'm hooked because there's a when you see it.
• 1:18:48
  OK, so he's in the first one, the front man, the guy with the
• 1:18:52
  black mask and the silver. Sleep token guy.
• 1:18:54
  Hunk dude. He's a hunk, dude.
• 1:18:56
  Even with a mask. No, without the mask, which in
• 1:18:58
  season 2 he's like a character and he's I.
• 1:19:01
  Can't remember he's. So good.
• 1:19:03
  He's such a good character, dude.
• 1:19:04
  You got to see it anyway. I wish I could talk about it,
• 1:19:06
  but I love that everyone's trying to get me to watch this
• 1:19:10
  Severance show. Same.
• 1:19:12
  I won't watch it Why not I just I watched the no, I have Apple
• 1:19:16
  TVI watched season the episode 1 and I'm just like OK, this is
• 1:19:24
  wrong. We got to stop it and then.
• 1:19:27
  I don't know the. Step brothers guy like is
• 1:19:30
  eventually going to fall in love with the the girl that he sees
• 1:19:32
  in the I'm just like, I just know what's going to happen.
• 1:19:36
  And then everyone's like, no, it's more than that.
• 1:19:38
  And I'm like, OK. You're getting Breaking Bad.
• 1:19:40
  I was like, I was like, I was like, OK, it's more than that.
• 1:19:43
  But it's that though. And they're like, well, yeah,
• 1:19:46
  I'm just like, I'm off it. But even Breaking Bad, I was
• 1:19:48
  never like the the premise sounds stupid.
• 1:19:50
  It was just like, I wasn't going to watch it just because
• 1:19:52
  everyone's like, if if someone's like you got to watch, you got
• 1:19:54
  to watch. I'm like, OK, I'll watch it in
• 1:19:56
  five years when you stop talking.
• 1:19:57
  That's what's going to happen in my severance.
• 1:19:59
  Yeah, I'll probably do that. I just, I'm angry I got that
• 1:20:03
  much time for shows. No, no, they're same.
• 1:20:05
  Shows take a lot. I've been watching a lot of
• 1:20:07
  movies. I'm watching these shows.
• 1:20:09
  I watch. I never watch movies really,
• 1:20:11
  ever. I wish I did.
• 1:20:13
  I watch. I would watch a show, but I'd
• 1:20:14
  pick one show and that's the one we're watching.
• 1:20:16
  So not right in the movies I would not watch today.
• 1:20:19
  Did you ever think that I would watch that?
• 1:20:21
  Was that a movie for me? Yeah.
• 1:20:22
  Oh, no. Didn't you come in to watch the
• 1:20:24
  lighthouse with us or No, No, no, not for me.
• 1:20:27
  What did I go see instead? I think I went and saw Mother
• 1:20:31
  with. Josh James.
• 1:20:33
  Counterparts. No.
• 1:20:34
  Maybe it's a different. Maybe I watched Mother with Josh
• 1:20:36
  James on a different I Don't Know That, which is also a weird
• 1:20:41
  film that I wouldn't peg you down to watch.
• 1:20:44
  Mother. It was because it was like
• 1:20:46
  mother or like Paul Blart, mall cop.
• 1:20:48
  And I was like, I'm not seeing that.
• 1:20:50
  What year is this? I'm a.
• 1:20:52
  Question for you, is Blart a real surname?
• 1:20:58
  Because I I actually asked my girlfriend this question
• 1:21:00
  yesterday, she had no answer for me.
• 1:21:02
  Blart, are you Googling? Blah, are you working?
• 1:21:05
  Is Blart a real surname? I wonder if the dumbest thing
• 1:21:10
  that Google's being asked right now.
• 1:21:12
  Yes, Blart is a real surname. Cool blart Simpson, I just
• 1:21:19
  wanted to know because it sounds made-up.
• 1:21:21
  No offence mind Craig. So fuck that shit.
• 1:21:24
  What are you listening to? I I have this.
• 1:21:27
  I have this thing where it's like I only listen to bands that
• 1:21:30
  I work for now. I don't know why.
• 1:21:32
  Is that because you have? To no, I don't have to, but
• 1:21:35
  that's just what I do. I don't know, like sometimes
• 1:21:37
  I'll get in the mode and if something like good things are
• 1:21:39
  happening, I'll be like, alright, let me put this on and
• 1:21:42
  I just get in a zone for it. I don't know why.
• 1:21:44
  So it's like like I look at, I just looked at my phone to see
• 1:21:46
  what I'm listening to, to see if there's anything cool.
• 1:21:48
  I struggle with listening to new music.
• 1:21:50
  It's. Me too.
• 1:21:51
  It's such a bad trait because it's like what?
• 1:21:54
  It's like my life. I think this is.
• 1:21:55
  I like your this so much. I like the new Death Heaven
• 1:21:58
  song. Did you hear that?
• 1:21:59
  Yeah, it's fucking it's. Fucking cool, a lot of people
• 1:22:01
  talking about it. That I haven't actually done the
• 1:22:04
  new poison well yet. Oh yeah, dude, it's great, dude,
• 1:22:07
  it's great. And it went.
• 1:22:08
  It's going down so good too. Oh my God, I'm so bad.
• 1:22:12
  I know, I know, I know, I know. OK, so and I, I hate that it
• 1:22:20
  took me this long, but the, the, the management company that I
• 1:22:23
  work at now, there's a manager there that works for this band.
• 1:22:26
  Julie, do you know Julia's brother?
• 1:22:30
  Who is she? It's a band.
• 1:22:32
  It does just. Wanted to say that.
• 1:22:33
  It does have a woman in it but and and she will sing and so and
• 1:22:38
  there's a guy that sings too so they like 2 vocals whatever.
• 1:22:42
  But holy fuck dude. It is so good that it's that's
• 1:22:46
  called, what the fuck is it my anti aircraft friend.
• 1:22:49
  I got to look it up just because I don't want to fuck it up.
• 1:22:51
  But it's like straight up one of the best records.
• 1:22:53
  What does it sound like? My anti aircraft friend.
• 1:22:59
  It is like there's moments that sound that remind me of like
• 1:23:06
  infinite sadness, Smashing pumpkins.
• 1:23:09
  There's moments that remind me of like at the drive in
• 1:23:12
  relationship of command. Like I literally put this song
• 1:23:14
  on and like it comes how it comes.
• 1:23:17
  At the drive in is 1. The vocals aren't like at the
• 1:23:20
  drive in or Smashing pumpkins 2 of the maybe the most harsh
• 1:23:23
  vocals there are. Love them both but but man, it
• 1:23:29
  is like I hate this comparison, but it's truly 90s feel, but it
• 1:23:35
  doesn't feel like contrived. You know like where it's like to
• 1:23:39
  the 90s was like the best. It's so like we're that's what
• 1:23:42
  we sound like. It ain't like that.
• 1:23:44
  It just it feels like something that came out in the 90s and so
• 1:23:48
  it is so fucking good. If you my anti aircraft friend
• 1:23:53
  from the band Julie track 2 on that record and listen to it for
• 1:23:59
  30 seconds. If you could listen to the whole
• 1:24:02
  song do and if you don't like that song, then you don't like
• 1:24:05
  it, but that would get you that's it'll get you right away.
• 1:24:09
  But like, dude, I'm obsessed with this record.
• 1:24:11
  I listen to it probably everyday for like months.
• 1:24:14
  Like so you have to check it out.
• 1:24:15
  I don't even know if it's something that you like because
• 1:24:18
  it can be soft, but even if it is soft, it isn't like a
• 1:24:22
  dissonant way. So it's like.
• 1:24:24
  I love soft. If it's sad, I it's very.
• 1:24:27
  Sad. There's nothing poppy about it
• 1:24:28
  at all. Good.
• 1:24:29
  It's nothing. Do you like out the drive in?
• 1:24:30
  Yeah. Yeah, you'd love it.
• 1:24:32
  Do you like Smashing Pumpkins? Yeah.
• 1:24:33
  Yeah, you'd love it dude, even though like you might hear it
• 1:24:35
  and be like this doesn't sound like those bands to me.
• 1:24:37
  That's what it reminds me of. But man, I'm obsessed with it,
• 1:24:40
  bro. I can't recommend it enough.
• 1:24:41
  Julie, my anti aircraft friend, if anyone's listening or when
• 1:24:44
  people listen, check that fucking record out.
• 1:24:47
  It'll it'll it'll fuck you up. My problem with listening to new
• 1:24:50
  music, I was just listening to music in general is I have
• 1:24:54
  pretty much I only listen to heavy music in the gym which is
• 1:24:58
  everyday and then outside the gym I listen to anything that
• 1:25:04
  isn't heavy pretty much. And for the most part it's like
• 1:25:10
  thinking music because I don't have any time to be like
• 1:25:13
  investing in the vocals. So I do a lot of like scores and
• 1:25:19
  lo fi and just music. That's for me to think or work
• 1:25:24
  away. I find this is offensive, but
• 1:25:26
  for me that's Radiohead. I listen to Radiohead a lot
• 1:25:29
  where it's just like like yesterday I listened to Moon
• 1:25:31
  Shade Pool probably three times 'cause I could just have it on
• 1:25:34
  the background. Yeah, that still counts.
• 1:25:35
  His voice is more like an instrument.
• 1:25:37
  Yeah, it's voice. Like, I don't know, I couldn't
• 1:25:39
  tell you a lyric from fucking daydreaming, you know what I
• 1:25:42
  mean? Like it's just like it is like a
• 1:25:44
  OHH instrument. I'm trying to but all I can hear
• 1:25:46
  is blah. Yeah, and I'm like, oh, he's
• 1:25:52
  saying behind and then you look and it's not so.
• 1:25:55
  Dreamers is the first lyric. There we go, we've got one.
• 1:26:01
  So, so I could just listen to him fucking go on and and, and
• 1:26:06
  do his thing. So like I like Radiohead for
• 1:26:08
  that. But yeah, you're right.
• 1:26:09
  Like thinking music. That's why like I sometimes will
• 1:26:12
  put on like I listen to the bands that I work for a lot
• 1:26:15
  because I just, I don't know, it can get inspiring, I guess.
• 1:26:18
  I listen to Stray all the time for that reason too, because
• 1:26:20
  it's like if we're working on new merch, or even if I'm just
• 1:26:23
  like doing like logistical stuff for a tour, I'm still just
• 1:26:25
  getting into Stray mode. Yeah, I listen to it on the way
• 1:26:28
  here and I will listen to it when I go to practice the drums.
• 1:26:31
  I listen to Stray so much and then and then it comes out and I
• 1:26:35
  never listen to it. Yeah, that's what.
• 1:26:37
  Happened like I listen to that's why I've been listening to
• 1:26:39
  euthanasia and I was even texting the chat.
• 1:26:40
  I was like, we're so fucking good.
• 1:26:43
  Like, you know, like I don't care.
• 1:26:44
  I'm not even saying like whatever.
• 1:26:46
  Like I think we're awesome, right?
• 1:26:47
  That's the reason why I'm still doing it when I'm 37, because I
• 1:26:50
  just think we're so good. We make such good fucking music
• 1:26:52
  and I listen to it. I'm just like, how do we do this
• 1:26:55
  shit, dude? Because I do it like we're doing
• 1:26:57
  it like unconsciously. Like I don't think about like
• 1:27:00
  making guillotine. Like that was like, to me, I
• 1:27:03
  listen, I'm like, this is like fucking brilliant, you know?
• 1:27:06
  And then I was like, but we were just fucking around.
• 1:27:08
  Like, it just, it's just like, we're just joking, you know what
• 1:27:11
  I mean? Like we're just.
• 1:27:12
  Part of it was just a challenge. There was originally 20 BPM
• 1:27:14
  slower and you were like I wonder if you can make it 185.
• 1:27:18
  It helped. If it was slower I probably
• 1:27:19
  would hate the song. Yeah, it was nearly.
• 1:27:21
  Hospital and then, then, then. We dropped down to 175 for that,
• 1:27:26
  but the intro is 185, then it drops down to that immediate
• 1:27:31
  tempo change. It's funny, you can figure out
• 1:27:32
  who wrote what part by the tempo.
• 1:27:35
  I was 135 or 160, whatever. Wait, where are you?
• 1:27:38
  Invincible 140. I was like, I'm invincible at
• 1:27:40
  1:50 when you, you, you needed a crazy breakdown.
• 1:27:44
  And they were like, can we just program something?
• 1:27:45
  And I was like, I'm invincible at 1:50.
• 1:27:48
  I remember that this is euthanasia and you weren't there
• 1:27:51
  because we it's a COVID and I remember that we FaceTime you
• 1:27:54
  and I was with Will and you're like, I'm invincible at
• 1:27:57
  whatever, you know, and we're like, all right, but the fuck?
• 1:28:01
  But then you challenged me. Yeah.
• 1:28:02
  Then you made it 165. Will did.
• 1:28:05
  I didn't. It was.
• 1:28:06
  That would never break down at the end of So in your spirit,
• 1:28:09
  yeah, and then. The one song I wish we had to
• 1:28:11
  redo on because it's so close to being great.
• 1:28:14
  I knew that one. You were, you called it, you're
• 1:28:16
  like that. These verses are dog shit.
• 1:28:17
  I was like, oh, it sounds like catch 33.
• 1:28:19
  Much sugar to me. And you're like, no, they're
• 1:28:20
  wack. And I was like whatever.
• 1:28:22
  And then we put it out and I'm like, that's the one song that's
• 1:28:24
  kind of wack, like the breakdown, so.
• 1:28:26
  The best on the record. But that's, that's why I like
• 1:28:28
  that record is like a 95% to me because like, you know, if you
• 1:28:32
  give everything, I don't know, it's like a 90.
• 1:28:34
  It's an A+ for me. Like I think what that record is
• 1:28:36
  so good. But like I, I don't listen to
• 1:28:39
  it. Like I listen to it a lot and
• 1:28:40
  then it comes out and I never listen to it.
• 1:28:41
  So then now listen to it just to get to practice.
• 1:28:44
  It's like, man, it's so fucking good.
• 1:28:46
  It's like we smashed on that one.
• 1:28:49
  The love the mix is crazy as well.
• 1:28:50
  The mix is insane dude. In a mix on.
• 1:28:52
  The the mix on the new ones better.
• 1:28:54
  Yeah. I don't know how he does it
• 1:28:55
  dude, because like. He's buy more and more gate.
• 1:28:57
  Yeah, I guess that's it. But like how is that the answer?
• 1:29:00
  Like but also this is the first stray record in that drum room,
• 1:29:04
  the new one. So that's a massive part because
• 1:29:07
  you can hear how real the drums are.
• 1:29:09
  He is not using. There's like 3 sections of
• 1:29:11
  samples. But I still don't know how he
• 1:29:14
  does it. Like I remember when subliminal
• 1:29:16
  came out I was like oh this is the best mix ever.
• 1:29:18
  I listen to it now it's. Sounds like a black male.
• 1:29:22
  Crazy. It smells like a black, black
• 1:29:24
  metal album. Like I listen to 1st world
• 1:29:26
  because I was just gonna get to play it and I started playing.
• 1:29:27
  I was like, I'm not doing. It sounds like I am right it.
• 1:29:30
  Sounds crazy, like there's no bass and then now you listen to
• 1:29:33
  the new one and like the bass is like the best thing he does, you
• 1:29:36
  know? But but yeah, the mix on this
• 1:29:38
  one is so good. I don't know.
• 1:29:40
  I don't know how he does it. Subramano is such a crazy SO but
• 1:29:44
  sometimes. There's like no.
• 1:29:45
  But Will deals with so much music, like, I know he likes to
• 1:29:51
  try new things, so he probably went, what if we go really punky
• 1:29:54
  organic with this one? And everyone probably went,
• 1:29:56
  yeah. There could be a chance that we
• 1:29:58
  also said that. Do you remember the original
• 1:30:01
  snare tone on ODEF is real the record?
• 1:30:07
  No, it was same anger level egregious and where was like,
• 1:30:11
  yeah, it's nice. It's like nasty and in my head I
• 1:30:13
  was like just doing this because he he's bored of making
• 1:30:17
  reckless. They just sound repeatedly, and
• 1:30:19
  he knows the same kind of good. And he knows that he could try
• 1:30:21
  more with us, which I, I welcome him to do.
• 1:30:25
  But I, I remember like, as he'll say to us like, what's a
• 1:30:28
  reference? Like, what do you like?
• 1:30:30
  And I'll be and I'll. And the one time I told him I
• 1:30:32
  was like, I love around the fur guitars and drums sounds like I
• 1:30:38
  love this. And, you know, maybe at some
• 1:30:42
  point I referenced like battle Los Angeles too, and like, not
• 1:30:46
  super, you know, And then he'll just be like, you're not doing
• 1:30:49
  that, you know, stuff like that. So, so I don't know, there could
• 1:30:52
  just be stuff that we were saying too.
• 1:30:54
  There's there is an Easter egg for anyone you know listening to
• 1:30:59
  new stray stuff. We did layer in on certain
• 1:31:03
  sections specifically where there is a snare drum and then
• 1:31:07
  an empty gap. The Saint Angus snare is layered
• 1:31:11
  in and you can hear it in the ring outs in the gaps.
• 1:31:16
  You hear the same same anger ring out as like frantic.
• 1:31:21
  But we're like in a good mix. It sounds great proof.
• 1:31:25
  We wanted to prove it, but also it's really funny if you know
• 1:31:27
  that. It sucks.
• 1:31:28
  I want to talk about the new record.
• 1:31:29
  You just did. I know, but I am.
• 1:31:31
  And like, there's other things I want to talk about like the
• 1:31:33
  artwork, like how we came up with that.
• 1:31:35
  Like we were, we were on like a FaceTime call for like 2 hours
• 1:31:39
  because we went through like 4 rounds of artwork and I and I
• 1:31:43
  was just like bam, we're just not.
• 1:31:44
  I was like was. That when I got Thai food
• 1:31:46
  delivered and then suddenly, yeah.
• 1:31:48
  I was the Thai food made you sharp, but I was just like
• 1:31:52
  worried about it 'cause I was like, dude, this record is so
• 1:31:54
  good, but I don't know what to do.
• 1:31:55
  Only that is real. I had that artwork idea before
• 1:31:58
  the record was made, Internal atomics.
• 1:32:01
  We came up with that idea in the studio.
• 1:32:03
  Euthanasia was you and me again, but that we honestly came up
• 1:32:07
  with the new record like we did euthanasia because we're like
• 1:32:09
  jump on a core. What like it's kind of just
• 1:32:11
  like, it's kind of just like, what's the button?
• 1:32:13
  And you're like, it should just be a button.
• 1:32:15
  And we're like, they could just be a button, you know what I
• 1:32:18
  mean? So, but like we always had some
• 1:32:23
  sort of guideline, but like this one we didn't.
• 1:32:24
  And I was like, what is it? And now like I love it.
• 1:32:27
  I love what it is and I think it's so cool you.
• 1:32:30
  Can't really talk about it without leaking.
• 1:32:31
  I know I don't want to. It's all going to show up at
• 1:32:34
  some point. But that is how me and you work.
• 1:32:37
  We will text for a little bit and then it's like we'll just
• 1:32:39
  get on a call and then just talk.
• 1:32:43
  And it comes out. And then eventually the moment
• 1:32:46
  is there. There's a few that aren't the
• 1:32:48
  moment where we think they are, where we go down like a rabbit
• 1:32:50
  hole. I remember the Oppenheimer
• 1:32:51
  rabbit hole with this one. And then we're like, I got it.
• 1:32:54
  When we're both looking at it at the same time, we're like, yes,
• 1:32:56
  we got it. And then we were like, no, it
• 1:32:58
  sucks. We did that with euthanasia too.
• 1:33:01
  What was nearly euthanasia? It was like, it was like
• 1:33:04
  supposed to be like a being. And I was referencing the Metal
• 1:33:08
  Gear Solid vinyl layout. You remember that?
• 1:33:10
  And it was like a little person with like a big fucking like
• 1:33:13
  being. Yeah.
• 1:33:14
  Sucked so fucking terrible. Yeah, I, I probably.
• 1:33:18
  Was that bolt thrower out work I?
• 1:33:20
  Could probably find it and then and put it in if you wanted.
• 1:33:24
  To they just won't make. It yeah fuck yeah Donnie, he
• 1:33:27
  made it like for he made it like no, you definitely did if I
• 1:33:29
  showed you you'd remember 100% because we all saw it and we're
• 1:33:32
  like Nah, that's. Not I have a habit of like
• 1:33:35
  blacking things out from my memory.
• 1:33:37
  Because we did that. We did that on this record too
• 1:33:39
  with Donnie again, where we're like, this is the idea and he
• 1:33:42
  does it like two or three times and we're like, it's not the
• 1:33:45
  idea. And then it's like, it's
• 1:33:46
  literally this. And then he has to just like,
• 1:33:48
  recreate something. Yeah, we went from intensely
• 1:33:52
  technical drawing for this one to the simple.
• 1:33:55
  Here's here's a picture from a man in in Pittsburgh.
• 1:33:58
  Like that's literally what it was and but I'll I'll try to
• 1:34:02
  find it. And then if you want to like
• 1:34:03
  toss it in there something because like if that's what's
• 1:34:05
  the cover of euthanasia, it wouldn't work because the art of
• 1:34:08
  the record needs to be an extension of the music.
• 1:34:09
  And if it's not good, then you're fucked.
• 1:34:12
  What's a good record with bad artwork?
• 1:34:13
  And it's got to be. I don't know if it exists a good
• 1:34:16
  record. Great.
• 1:34:19
  It's not good though. The sales don't lie.
• 1:34:21
  I mean it is one of the highest records ever with the Stone cold
• 1:34:26
  worst. What is?
• 1:34:27
  Which is the one? Because they've got 2.
• 1:34:28
  They've got two real stinkers. They got they're kind of all of
• 1:34:31
  them. I mean because even the My Own
• 1:34:33
  Prison 1 is pretty brutal. What's the main 1 knowing the
• 1:34:35
  worst? Human Clay is the worst album.
• 1:34:38
  Title Worst artwork. And then they had one called
• 1:34:43
  Weathered. I think that one's worse.
• 1:34:46
  Yeah, them. Their faces carved on a tree.
• 1:34:49
  Them Oh yeah, there must be a bad.
• 1:34:53
  I'm talking about. Good album, bad artwork.
• 1:34:55
  Like, imagine like Rage self-titled the artwork was.
• 1:34:57
  Do you? Feel like the artwork's
• 1:34:59
  incredible? It's another unreal.
• 1:35:01
  All of their artwork is perfect. Do you feel like the the music
• 1:35:03
  sells the artwork though? Like.
• 1:35:05
  Sometimes, sometimes the. Music.
• 1:35:07
  The music Fucking. Button the the music sells
• 1:35:09
  everything, but like the it's just a button, but it like the
• 1:35:13
  the the record told the story with the artwork, right?
• 1:35:15
  So it's like so that it was cohesive.
• 1:35:20
  But yeah, sometimes, sometimes the the music sells everything
• 1:35:24
  in the end of the day, even a band name like I'm trying to
• 1:35:27
  think of a bad like, oh, what's your band called?
• 1:35:29
  Dinosaur Junior. Awful.
• 1:35:33
  However, it's fucking cool, you know?
• 1:35:35
  What's your band name? Smashing Pumpkins in your head.
• 1:35:38
  It's cool, you know what I mean? Because it was made cool.
• 1:35:40
  And then sometimes the band name can enhance how cool it is,
• 1:35:42
  Like, oh, what's your band name called?
• 1:35:44
  The Dillinger Escape Plan. And then you put on sugar coated
• 1:35:47
  sour and it's like your brain's in a microwave.
• 1:35:49
  Like that's like, it extends it. But it's also like, what's your
• 1:35:54
  band name? Oh, corn.
• 1:35:56
  Oh, like corn is about the food. Yeah, but with the K.
• 1:35:59
  But it's with AK and the R. The R in fact was switched.
• 1:36:01
  Oh, sick but. What does the bass sound like?
• 1:36:04
  And then, but then you listen to it and it's and they sense now
• 1:36:07
  it's like you see corn and you're like, oh fuck yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:09
  it's corn, you know, so but like, what's bad artwork and and
• 1:36:14
  a fantastic record. I don't know if Follow the
• 1:36:16
  leader by by corn is not great. That's kind of sick, I guess.
• 1:36:20
  And then they made the video with it, with that stuff
• 1:36:22
  animated into it. It's pretty cool and then corn
• 1:36:26
  issues. I bet you that record would be
• 1:36:28
  cooler if the artwork was cooler.
• 1:36:30
  The artwork is terrible. I had that on a hoodie and AT
• 1:36:34
  shirt when I was a kid though. I thought that was cool as fuck.
• 1:36:36
  You're got little guy. I mean I.
• 1:36:37
  Guess and also like the idea of it was sick like having the fans
• 1:36:40
  do it like submit stuff so and then having alt alternate covers
• 1:36:44
  which. Made it cool, come on.
• 1:36:46
  I take it back. I take it back.
• 1:36:47
  No. We gotta get one.
• 1:36:48
  I'm trying. I'm trying to think of bad album
• 1:36:51
  covers for fantastic records and it's really hard.
• 1:36:54
  I can do names and bands like you said, but I can't do.
• 1:36:57
  Names is a lot easier, but I'm talking about artwork like,
• 1:36:59
  that's why it's like the artwork like that's what I'm saying.
• 1:37:01
  Imagine if euthanasia was what it was the first round and we
• 1:37:03
  put it out it. The record would not be as good
• 1:37:06
  because people would see it and not be intrigued by it.
• 1:37:09
  But you're telling me that like a record called Jane Doe with
• 1:37:12
  that cover by a band called Converge that starts with
• 1:37:15
  Concubine? That's what you listen to, by
• 1:37:17
  the way, when you like what you listen to.
• 1:37:19
  I listen to Converge, Yeah, I mean, same.
• 1:37:21
  I listen to Deftones. It sucks.
• 1:37:23
  Like I I want to listen to new bands but it's it's just hard
• 1:37:26
  for me and I'm honestly like paying attention a lot.
• 1:37:29
  I think you do more than me for this.
• 1:37:31
  I mean, yeah, like, like I'm, I'm desperate to find new ones,
• 1:37:35
  but like, a lot of times it's just like.
• 1:37:38
  You fucker, that's the problem, Yeah, and.
• 1:37:43
  I'm just like, I'm 37. That's just not for me.
• 1:37:46
  I'm not saying it's. Sometimes I do like that, but
• 1:37:47
  the problem is there's so much that I don't like.
• 1:37:50
  I need like a council of people to bring it to me like a Craig
• 1:37:54
  welcome, come to the council we brought you.
• 1:37:56
  And then you know what? Three albums you're going to.
• 1:37:58
  Like, you know what to like. There's no better feeling than
• 1:38:02
  being stopped in your tracks and knocked in your ass from someone
• 1:38:05
  you haven't heard from before. There's this.
• 1:38:08
  She blew up on TikTok. Her name is.
• 1:38:10
  I want to say I got to look it up.
• 1:38:11
  Just said I want to fuck it up. Hold on because it's it's recent
• 1:38:14
  on my thing. Lola Young.
• 1:38:17
  Have you heard of it from the UK?
• 1:38:19
  Holy hell, bro. She put out her record in like
• 1:38:23
  2022 and and then like she a song called Messy that just went
• 1:38:28
  viral today, later like last week and she went on fucking
• 1:38:32
  Jimmy Fallon. The voice on this person is like
• 1:38:38
  stop me in my tracks. And the music is awesome.
• 1:38:40
  Like it's an actual band. Like that's what I, that's what
• 1:38:43
  I want now so much. I know, I know.
• 1:38:45
  I do. What's her artwork?
• 1:38:46
  Like though, come on, give me. I mean, I don't really care.
• 1:38:48
  I. Want her artwork is really close
• 1:38:50
  up of her face with like plastic wrap over it.
• 1:38:52
  We had 7 minutes left. I want.
• 1:38:55
  That went really fast. I know, but I want one album.
• 1:38:58
  Oh, we're talking about bad. Amazing album with bad artwork.
• 1:39:01
  Yes. I mean, here's the thing.
• 1:39:02
  I I would say Black Album sucks. But it's just so basic it
• 1:39:06
  doesn't matter. Yeah, but White Pony's basic and
• 1:39:08
  it was awesome. But so you just like a?
• 1:39:11
  Snake, but the little snake. Snake's awesome.
• 1:39:13
  No, not allowed. I know.
• 1:39:15
  I'm also just not Mr. Metallica. So can we find one in 7 minutes
• 1:39:19
  of a great record? Great record.
• 1:39:21
  With. Artwork sucks.
• 1:39:22
  Horrific artwork. ACDC back in Black is kind of
• 1:39:24
  shit, but you know that sucks. Sorry, what?
• 1:39:29
  What? I mean, I don't, I don't care,
• 1:39:31
  but. But I mean, listen, I would
• 1:39:33
  listen instrumentally. I think it's fucking amazing.
• 1:39:36
  Anyway, no bad. There's got to be something
• 1:39:41
  2000s because or like late 90s because when when computers were
• 1:39:46
  able to make artwork but it jerks look fucking bad all the
• 1:39:50
  time, but I can't really think. That's like Creed.
• 1:39:53
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, Creed's probably the one
• 1:39:56
  can. We talk about how bad human clay
• 1:39:57
  is. What is?
• 1:39:58
  Sounds like they're talking about Doo Doo.
• 1:40:00
  Shit. Yeah, like crap.
• 1:40:03
  Oh, I got like a human clay. How did they sell human clay?
• 1:40:07
  You sold, you sold. You sold that title to your
• 1:40:13
  band. Yeah.
• 1:40:14
  And it. And it worked.
• 1:40:15
  I. Guess we're ending on Human Guy
• 1:40:16
  then, yeah? I mean, but at.
• 1:40:18
  Work. They made a lot of money.
• 1:40:19
  Yeah, but I don't care about that.
• 1:40:21
  Yeah. I mean, we ain't going to get
• 1:40:22
  one if you every six minutes in well.
• 1:40:25
  Actually, this is such a scam. I love it because you know what
• 1:40:28
  I hate to like I watch like on TikTok like this guy like makes
• 1:40:31
  just sushi rolls and he'll be baking it and I just watch it
• 1:40:34
  because whatever. And he's just like what kind of
• 1:40:38
  sushi rolls you like? Leave it in the comments below.
• 1:40:40
  Like algorithm. Literally leave it in the
• 1:40:42
  comments below. This is this is appropriate.
• 1:40:44
  Put it in the comments. What is a bad?
• 1:40:47
  You could do this as a clip for socials too.
• 1:40:49
  Great album. Socials clip because then you'll
• 1:40:51
  get it in the comments. But we didn't even get one
• 1:40:53
  anyway. It's.
• 1:40:54
  Out there, but you're putting me on the clock though.
• 1:40:56
  We have ran out of time looking for a great album with truly
• 1:41:01
  terrible artwork so I want it in the comments.
• 1:41:05
  So the leader so far is Creed, Human Clay, but.
• 1:41:08
  But I'm talking. About Yeah, I'm.
• 1:41:10
  Talking about like, oh man, have you like Jane Doe?
• 1:41:13
  You know what I mean? Like, imagine if Jane Doe was
• 1:41:15
  the human clay artwork. It wouldn't be as cool, right?
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  You know what I'm saying? So like I'm saying like, what's
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  a record? That's like fantastic.
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  Obviously Creed made great songs, was huge cool, but I'm
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  talking about like what's like, oh fucking calculating.
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  The music gets good enough, whatever it is becomes cool.
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  There's got to be something that we're missing that's horseshit.
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  Give it to me, someone. Thanks for coming, Tom to my
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  studio. It's not mine.
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  Thanks to everyone here at this studio.
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  It's not mine. Hopefully next time you see me,
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  I'll have another podcast studio.
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  Thanks everyone.