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There's a conservatism rooted in the NFL, like that's a fact.
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So also take a shot every time I say that's a fact on this
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podcast. Hey, Gaspers, and welcome back
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to Gasp the Pod. Today we are talking about
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politics. Don't get scared.
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Don't get scared. Trust me.
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It's going to be a very fun episode.
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We're going to be talking about celebrity endorsements, the
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controversy surrounding them. We're going to talk about Chapel
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Roan, of course, of course, Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, the Trump
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aspect of this election. So yeah, we're going to talk
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about some very interesting, fun, controversial things.
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I have some hot takes, which is the whole point of this podcast.
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So just a reminder, it's OK if we disagree on like these little
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things. So if you disagree with me,
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don't stop listening. That's just the whole point of
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the podcast is I'm going to have some hot takes.
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But I think most of us here all agree on like the basic things
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and like human rights and you know, that Trump is a fascist
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and all that kind of stuff, right?
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So, like, it's OK if we disagree in the small things, but I'm
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going to have some hot ticks. Do you guys like my shirt?
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It says comma LA. Just a few housekeeping things.
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First off, if you have not voted yet, please for the love of God,
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vote. Not just local elections.
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Please please vote for president and do not vote third party.
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It literally will not make a difference.
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A vote for 3rd party this year is a vote for Trump.
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Point blank period. We can get into this a little
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bit further. I'm totally not against a third
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party system or like having other people besides a Democrat
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and Republican like run for office.
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But that will not happen 7 days into the election like before
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the election right? So like, there's no way we're
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solving the entire system right now.
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Either Kamala or Trump will be president.
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Please pick one, and please pick Kamala.
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Oh my Jesus Christ. I think there's no one here
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that's going to vote for Trump. If you're listening to this and
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you're voting for Trump, stop hate watching me.
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Please vote. It really makes a difference.
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This year, I'm voting absentee in California.
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I was trying to vote in New York or Virginia.
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My parents live in Virginia. I just moved to New York but it
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was like too late to process all the registration by the time I
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move. So I'm voting absentee in
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California. But that still really matters.
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So even if you're in like solid blue state, please vote for
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president. Like it's going to be one of the
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closest races we've ever seen. Need to remember right now.
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I saw this stat the other day. This is a closer race now than
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it was like even months out in the 2020 election.
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So like, this is going to be a very, very close race.
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And literally every vote counts. And that really pushes us into
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what I'm going to talk about today, which is why I think
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celebrity endorsements do matter if you have a great enough
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following, right? Let's just start off this
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podcast and let's dig right into Miss Taylor, Alison Swift.
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OK, so in 2016, Taylor Swift did not publicly endorse a
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candidate. A lot of backlash happened after
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this because people were like, wait, is she secretly a Trumper?
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And we need to remember a lot of her fans are not necessarily,
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like, liberal or like, even care about basic human rights.
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Like, a lot of Swifties are homophobic.
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Not you guys though, but a lot of Swifties are homophobes and
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she has a very wide audience. So there's a lot of people that
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were like, oh hell yes, she's like a MAGA queen.
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And in 2018, she became political for the first time or
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publicly political when she pretty much went against Marsha
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Blackburn, who was running for Tennessee office, Senate in
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Tennessee. So Marsha Blackburn was like
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super is super homophobic and it's all these bills that
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protect women, obviously pro-life and all these things.
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So Taylor Swift made a post and she was like, this is affecting
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my hometown and I need to say something.
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We cannot get Marsha Blackburn elected.
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And in 2020, she kind of followed this and endorsed
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Kamala Harris and Joe Biden for president, Joe Biden for
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president and Kamala Harris for vice president.
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And in her documentary Miss Americana, she was saying, like,
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one of the reasons why she decided to, like, step up is
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that she wanted to, like, make sure that the confusion around
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her, like, was settled, that people knew.
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Like, she didn't know that people thought that she was a
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Trump supporter until 2016. And she talks about how in 2016,
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she, like, just wasn't in the healthy mind to, like, be
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political, which is so fair because she's probably going
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through a breakup with Curly Kloss and also was obviously
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facing this, like, huge public backlash.
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So she wanted to, like, make her wrongs right.
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And she talks about how Todrick Hall, one of her best friends,
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was like, who's gay? Was like, if you had a gay son,
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like, if you had a gay kid, how would you react to that?
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And Taylor Swift was like, wait, you don't think I would react
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well to that, obviously, because she's also gay.
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But that's for a whole other episode.
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And we have covered that, and we will continue to cover that.
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But she was like, I need to make sure that people know where I
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stand. And that's kind of the backdrop
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to all of this, right? So in 2020, she endorsed Joe
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Biden and Kamala Harris. There were mixed reviews when
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this happened. A lot of articles are saying,
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and I'll read from one right now, that like this didn't do
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anything and this didn't change anything.
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But we need to remember that like celebrity endorsements are
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like this is my opinion are not necessarily to convince people
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who didn't like her already or who who were conservative Taylor
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Swift fans to become liberal. Obviously, like that's the ideal
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scenario, but I don't think in practice that's what it's doing.
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And I don't even think we need that from them, right?
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The whole point is to galvanized the people that already agree
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with the same values that Taylor Swift has, which is like
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pro-choice, LGBTQ rights and make sure that they vote.
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Because in this election, I know we're focused a lot on like
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swaying people away from Trump and that's super important.
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But we just, it's going to be such a close election that like
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we need every Democrat and every liberal to vote, especially
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young people that there's millions of young people that
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have that this is their first election.
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So having a celebrity reach out to her fandom, which she's the
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most famous person in the world right now probably, and say just
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click on this link and register to vote.
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Giving people a way to do it that may have already agreed
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with her but then just didn't like take that extra step is
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super influential. We don't necessarily need
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celebrities to, like, be the convincers, OK?
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Like, that's for the campaign to do.
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And that'd be awesome. I'm sure she's maybe convincing
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a few people. But like, a lot of these stats
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and these articles are like, oh, it's not going to convince
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people. Like, people are actually the
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conservative fans even hate her more now.
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It's like, yeah, that's so true. Like, we want conservative fans
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to change their minds, but we also just need to make sure that
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every single Democrat votes. There are more Democrats than
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there are Republicans. Let me check on that.
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There are more Democrats than there are Republicans.
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So we need every single Democrat to vote because Republicans have
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a higher voting right. This is a fact, and I worked in
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politics and I know this. Republicans will always go out
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and vote. We need Democrats to do the
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same. Even if you don't agree with the
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majority of Kamala Harris's policies, because at the end of
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the day, it's literally about saving democracy and saving our
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rights. So that's the background of
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Taylor Swift from 2020 in the Miss American documentary.
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Highly recommend you go back and watch it.
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She's talking with her dad and some of these other people on
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her management team that are obviously very close to her and
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her mom's supporting her cause of course.
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And, and I'll read, I'll read you what she says.
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And Miss Americana, a lot of what she says in this
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documentary also informs how gaylords think about her and her
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career. And like, yes, she's so fucking
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famous, but like, her decisions impact her career and her what
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she says politically and like, and how she identifies perhaps
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as possibly queer is queer that vastly effects who listens to
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her. And this is not these decisions
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are not just made purely by herself.
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Taylor Swift is not just a person.
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She's also a brand. And her management is like, part
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of her family, and they're advising her to maintain this
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brand. So what can you do to lose half
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of your listeners? This is what her dad and her
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management says. And Miss Americana, when Taylor
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Swift says that she wants to speak publicly about politics,
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he says, what if I said, right now you could cut your listeners
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in half? Imagine what happened if she
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says I'm queer. Besides being like I'm an ally.
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There's a huge difference between saying I'm an ally and
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saying I'm queer. And I believe she is queer and
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she's been saying that. But making this huge statement
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that's for straight people would make her lose viewers and make
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her lose popularity. And there's a brand behind her
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that does not want that to happen.
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There's a team behind her that does not want that to happen.
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So Taylor Swift says in her documentary, she says part of
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the fabric of being a country artist is don't force your
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politics on people. We saw this and what happens
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with the Chicks, formerly known as the Dixie Chicks, and they
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came out against George Bush and they pretty much lost their
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entire career, right? And that's not the crazy that
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could still happen today. And it still happens today.
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Beyoncé, a country artist, has literally been shunned by the
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country community pretty much from her, like, due to racist
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reasons, because she's black. So this continuously happens.
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And it's not the craziest thing that, you know, a brand and a
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celebrity has to think twice about what are they, what
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they're going to say politically.
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But it also really does matter. And even though it's a risk, it
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really is important, I believe. OK, so she says quote in the
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Miss American documentary. And this is literally her
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arguing with her team about wanting to say something
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political. She says it really is a big deal
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to me. Marsha Blackburn votes against
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fair pay for women, votes against the reauthorization of
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the Violence Against Women Act, which is just basically
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protecting US against domestic abuse and stalking.
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And then she points to herself and repeats stalking.
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And also let's remember she was she was assaulted.
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So this is influencing her as well, She says Blackburn thinks
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that if you are a gay couple or even if you look like a gay,
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even if you look like a gay couple.
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And I thought that was interesting because that's
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important to her. You should be allowed to be
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kicked out of a restaurant. It's really basic human rights
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and it's right and wrong at this point.
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It's so true, says Dad. I just need you to forgive me
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for doing it 'cause I'm already doing it.
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And she was also saying, and during the Miss Americana
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documentary, that she was saying this to her dad.
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These are not your dad's Republicans.
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The Republican Party is not just like fiscal conservatism.
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It is loudly racist and it's going to end the Constitution.
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I mean, like Donald Trump wants to get rid of the Department of
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Education, he wants to get rid of the Department of Justice,
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etcetera, etcetera. So the larger point is that in
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2020, Taylor Swift was very loudly political.
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And I think us as a liberal part of the fandom, we were thinking,
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this is going to continue. I will say that ever since the
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Heiress tour started, we need to remember her fan base grew
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exponentially. And there are a lot of people
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that weren't necessarily Taylor Swift fans that became kind of
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like obsessed with like the momentum of the fandom and the
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Heiress tour and Taylor Swift and Girlhood and Barbie,
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etcetera. And this attracted a lot of
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conservatives and homophobic Christians, might I add, and
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people around the world. So ever since then, I haven't
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seen her be political, like, at all, and especially her
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associating with the NFL and, like, Kansas City Chiefs.
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And a lot of these teams are owned by like these corporations
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that like donate to Trump and like there's a conservatism
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rooted in the NFL. Like that's a fact.
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So also take a shot every time I say that's a fact on this
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podcast. But her association with Travis
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Kelce, the NFL and like football really galvanized her kind of
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like, right part of her base and her Christian conservative base.
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And there was a lot of people that were like, Oh my God, love.
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Like, it leaned into the patriarchal aspect of America.
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So I had a fear. But I had hoped, and I'm so glad
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I was right, that she was going to abandon kind of her, like,
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liberal ideals because now there's a huge portion of
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America that's like a fan of her again.
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And she wants to appeal to everyone and not lose these
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fans. I'm very glad that she decided
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to endorse Kamala Harris. But of course, that didn't come
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without pressure from her fans. That's why it's so, so important
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to hold celebrities accountable and remind them that we need
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this from them. And it's not enough to just say
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that every four years you're voting for president.
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Like I did need her consistently in the last few years to be more
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vocal about like trans rights and LGBTQ rights.
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And I mean, Roe V Wade was overturned.
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And I don't think that like we got enough from her on that.
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There's a lot of this is my hot take.
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This is where my hot take comes in is that we, a lot of people
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say, oh, we don't, We don't. Taylor Swift doesn't owe that to
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us. I think she does.
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I think Taylor Swift and billionaires and this is no
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hate. I think this is a very normal
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relationship to have with celebrities that make money from
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US streaming and viewing and listening to her content and her
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music. I think they these celebrities,
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especially when they're billionaires, they do owe us.
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I think we are owed her politics and she is going to vote for a
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candidate that is pro LGBTQ rights, pro women's rights, pro
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the right to choose. This is something she says that
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she cares about. So I do think we are owed her
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endorsement. I do like, we pay her as a
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billionaire and as LGBTQ fans, as women fans, as like people of
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color who are fans of her. We need to know that she, like,
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supports our basic human rights to continue to listen to her.
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And I'm so glad that after a lot of fans like wondering and
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including me being like, where's Taylor Swift in this election a
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few months ago, that she came out and said, yes, I'm voting
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for Kamala Harris because of these reasons.
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And a lot of people were like, we, you shouldn't have doubted
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her. You shouldn't have doubted her.
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It's not about doubting, it's not even about her as an
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individual. It's about using your billion
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dollar platform for something good.
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And she did. And it's important for people to
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like hold billionaires accountable and question and ask
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and make sure that they are like putting their money where their
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mouth is and not just like letting go of their policies
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just because they're suddenly more famous with NFL.
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And I'm so glad she didn't just like, you know, I think my, I
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had a theory and I still kind of hold on to this theory that her
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association, her association with NFL and like middle America
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and like conservative moms and Christian women and these like
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straight Swifties and like men, right?
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Like men in football and the dads of Swifties was to
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galvanized this voter base and get them out to vote in this
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election. And I think she did just that.
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She was also spotted with Brittany Mahomes right after
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Brittany Mahomes at the US Open right after Brittany Mahomes
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said that she like reposted Donald Trump's plan for America.
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And that included like, banning books, getting rid of the
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Department of Education, banning free speech in public schools,
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like increasing tariffs. We need to remember Donald Trump
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is not good for the economy. All of these things are so
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hateful. And Taylor Swift was spotted
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with bringing Mahomes. After that, I think it's so fair
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to be like, who do you hang out with in your life?
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I'm so glad that after that she did endorse Kamala Harris.
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Let's talk about the reaction to her endorsement for Kamala
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Harris and Tim Walz. A lot of people are saying, oh,
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it's making no difference. No one cares what a celebrity
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thinks. Cool.
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We didn't ask very conservative people if they were going to
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suddenly vote for Kamala Harris when Taylor Swift endorsed her.
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No one thought that. At least no one who was educated
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thought that. I didn't think that.
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We're talking about people who are maybe a little disillusioned
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with how politics are. Maybe it's their first time
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voting. Maybe there's people that we can
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talk about this with. Chapel Rowan are concerned about
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Kamala Harris's stance on Palestine, which I am deeply
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concerned about her stances on Palestine.
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And we know we cannot let Donald Trump be president.
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So it's getting these groups of people a little bit more fired
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up about the idea of voting and including a link to vote.
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So let's check the stats. Also, she signed off as a
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childless cat lady, which goes to show her connection with
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lesbianism and witches. We can That was a little nod to
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my last episode. It's a fuck you to JD Vance and
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anyone trying to pander to women right now.
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Like, we're not fucking idiots, OK?
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A lot of people say the endorsements don't mean
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anything. But Peter Mancusi, an attorney,
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and this is from Northeastern Global News.
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He's a crisis manager and associate teaching professor of
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journalism and at Northeastern University.
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He says that Swift's endorsement may nudge undecided voters
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towards Harris. Fucking traditional wisdom that
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says celebrities don't have an impact.
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A lot of this traditional wisdom also comes from celebrities that
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are not like Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift is like a political
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leader herself. There was, I think like an
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article out a year ago saying that like Taylor Swift, like
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would win an election if she run, if she ran for president.
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OK. After she endorsed Kamala
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Harris. This kind of goes to show that
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there's like a conservative backlash to her whenever she
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says something political or like pro AGBTQ or pro women or like
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anything that doesn't support like Trump and like hyper
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patriarchical conservative views, right?
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So she endorsed Kamala Harris. Her Spotify numbers dropped by
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2,000,000 after this. So yeah, it's impacting her
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career, but it's extremely important to the majority of her
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fans. OK, so there were some articles
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saying that this actually hurt Kamala Harris's campaign.
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I fundamentally disagree with this, and I'll tell you why.
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First of all, I think when you actually look at the stats,
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that's a misleading article. This the stats conducted by
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Quinia PAC University, it says more than 3/4 of likely voters
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say that Taylor Swift's endorsement of Kamala Harris
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does not make a difference in their level of enthusiasm.
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OK, that's great. Like, for example, it didn't
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make me more more likely to vote for Kamala.
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I was already going to vote for Kamala, right?
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So it needs, it's probably including those voters as well.
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9% says it makes them more enthusiastic, and 13 percent
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says it makes them less enthusiastic.
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So these 13% are not even necessarily Taylor Swift fans.
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Remember, people still hate her. So I don't really think that
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that actually hurt Kamala Harris's campaign.
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These were probably people who already hated Taylor Swift and
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were like, yeah, fuck that. So there's a Newsweek poll that
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found that 34% of Gen. Z voters were either more likely
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or significantly more likely to vote for a Swift indoors
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candidate. So I do really think that Taylor
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Swift can make a difference in this election and has made a
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difference in this election. And I think other celebrities
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need to follow suit. There were rumors that Travis
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Kelsey was going to endorse Kamala and Tim.
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I'm very disappointed that he has not endorsed them.
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He didn't even like Taylor Swift's post.
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What kind of couple does that like?
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She makes this like big announcement of an endorsement
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and he doesn't even like her Instagram post?
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What the fuck? Besides her like convinced
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trying to convince people to vote for Kamala Harris?
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This is going back to like the importance of voting, Swift's
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endorsement for Harris, and it included a vote.gov link for
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people to register to vote. It got almost 400,000 clicks.
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That's half a million people that looked up their voting
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site. We're going to talk about
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Beyoncé and then we're going to finish by talking about Chapel
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Rd. and all of that controversy. And I have another hot take.
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The strategy of celebrities and how they go about political
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endorsements is really important.
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This is not just random and it shouldn't be random.
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Q Chapel run. But you do have to be very
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strategic and think about what you're saying and if it's going
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to offset a candidate and how influential it's going to be.
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I've worked in multiple political jobs and even just the
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slightest wording of something, I know we'll set off a
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conservative. I don't can I say this yet?
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I've done like political spy work and I've like sat in on
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conservative rallies and conservative meetings and people
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thought I was a conservative. I like pretended to be
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conservative. I had a fake name and
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everything. I think I can say this because
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I'm out of this job and I got really familiar with the
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rhetoric and what and how to not set off a conservative right.
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So like I'm very familiar with this type of wording.
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And I know in campaign strategy, this is not just like these are
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very fine-tuned specific things that we say and we don't say
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because we know how it's going to be spun on like Fox News and
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on like right wing media. But I know that, like, Taylor
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Swift's team was talking to Kamala Harris's team, like, that
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had to have happened. I know that Taylor Swift wants
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to be like, very careful when she even says, like her own
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statement. So I know she wanted to make
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sure that this was like, OK for her to say.
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I do think that like Beyoncé did as well.
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I think that Beyoncé did not perform at this latest rally in
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Houston because of the controversy that happened in all
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the pushbacks she got from conservative media in 2016.
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So I think she was like, I need to not perform, but really have
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just like a speech and be like, I'm coming to you as like a
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mother. And that's what she did in
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Houston. The other reason why they went
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to Texas, a lot of people are like, wait, why are they in
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Texas? Obviously Beyoncé is from
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Houston, but also these are voters that like we can get out
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of Texas. Texas is a very blue state.
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Obviously it's more red than blue, but we have a very big
24:47
chance here with Colin Allred. So I think that a lot of the
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reason why Kamala Harris and Beyoncé, we're in Texas is also
24:55
to make sure Colin Allred gets elected.
24:59
So there's so many things to think about here.
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And if you are as big and powerful as like Beyoncé and
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Taylor Swift, they're thinking about these.
25:08
And you have to think about it, 'cause everything you do makes a
25:11
difference, which is so annoying that you have to be so careful
25:13
and perfect. That's what women, especially
25:15
women of color, have to deal with.
25:17
So let's talk about how if Beyoncé and her endorsement of
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Harrison, especially using her song Freedom, make makes a
25:25
difference at all in this election?
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So Bowling Green State University professor David J
25:29
Jackson told Vox, he said even though the effects are generally
25:33
thought as modest for celebrity endorsements in this election,
25:37
it's different in elections that turn on a small amount of votes
25:39
in a handful of swing states, any effect can be significant.
25:43
We're not just thinking about Michigan.
25:44
We're not just thinking about Pennsylvania, right?
25:46
Like any of these states, it's going to come down to these
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small, small numbers. This is why it's so important
25:52
for you to vote. And Beyoncé, she has 314 million
25:56
Instagram followers. Taylor Swift has 283.
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So Beyoncé has even a larger Instagram audience than Taylor
26:04
Swift. This is a huge voting bloc.
26:08
So there's people that are like, I don't know, like, I don't know
26:11
what to do. Maybe I'm just not tuned in.
26:13
Maybe people are just overwhelmed with all the
26:14
politics of everything. Even a few of these people
26:19
having Beyoncé say, listen, this is an important election, you
26:22
need to vote. That can make a difference.
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Guys, let's talk about Chapel Roan.
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I, OK, I've been avoiding this subject because I do think
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people have not necessarily avoided the root of the issue,
26:38
which is like Palestine and politics and Kamala Harris's
26:43
campaign and all of that. I never want to avoid that.
26:47
But I have been avoiding Chapel Rome's comments.
26:50
I don't think I need to say on like TikTok.
26:52
I think people get crazy. So we're going to talk about it
26:55
on this podcast where less people are going to give me
26:57
insane hateful comments. One of the reasons why I left my
27:02
last political job, which I'm not going to disclose, I was a
27:07
political consultant, a senior political consultant advising
27:10
specific candidates and campaigns on messaging and
27:15
research based on opposition research I was doing, unlike
27:18
conservatives, right? So all this is based on
27:21
messaging. The reason why I left is because
27:29
I was faced with this like moral decision that so many, not so
27:33
many. Every single Democrat in office,
27:36
every single one local office, city office, mid level office,
27:42
president, like everything president, business, every
27:47
single one is receiving 8 pack money.
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Money from Israel right and their conservative political
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pack that is documentedly conservative.
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The influence that Israel has on American politics is pretty vast
28:05
and witnessing candidates that I was working for and working with
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have literally no second thoughts on what to talk about
28:18
when it came to on what their stance was when it came to
28:21
Palestine. And Israel literally pushed me
28:23
out of politics. I couldn't do it anymore because
28:25
I felt like I had no hope in politicians.
28:29
Even AOC takes 8 pack money. It is so messed up what we're
28:35
seeing in American politics right now that there's like
28:38
literally 0 empathy and then we have no room for discourse about
28:42
this. You can be so pro Palestine and
28:47
vote for Kamala Harris. Not to say that she's pro
28:51
Palestine. I disagree with like how this
28:54
administration is handling it completely.
28:56
And the fact that we still send money to Israel and to arm
29:00
Israel is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
29:05
And I know that we are not going to change this system.
29:10
If Donald Trump is president, we will have no ability to lobby
29:15
the government. I've also lobbied Congress.
29:18
We've we will have no ability to lobby the government.
29:21
We will not even have a democracy.
29:23
OK, coupled with the fact that women are going to lose
29:26
reproductive rights across the board, we're going to lose the
29:29
Department of Education. Trans kids are even going to be
29:31
more at risk, right? That's why I believe that we
29:33
need to vote for Kamala Harris. We will have more of ability to
29:40
like, rid Israel's imperialistic genocidal effect out of American
29:49
politics if Kamala Harris is president, more so than if
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Donald Trump is president. I want Kamala Harris to be
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president and I need her to wake the fuck up.
29:57
And the only way we're going to have government that's
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sympathetic to Palestinians is if Kamala Harris is.
30:05
There is not a vote that you can cast that will save Palestinian
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lives. This is a fact.
30:11
You just can't. Not at this stake in the
30:13
election. We will have to use other means
30:16
for that. There is a vote that will save
30:18
black immigrant women and LGBTQ lives in America.
30:22
And I still think that that's worth casting.
30:26
And we can still hold our anger for Palestine.
30:30
So if you, I may just be preaching to the choir right
30:34
now, but if you have people in your lives that you think are
30:38
sending out this election, are considering voting third party
30:42
because of this, I totally hear you.
30:47
And please send them this podcast or send them this clip
30:51
or talk to them because every vote is important.
30:55
And there are people that like will be coming out of the
31:00
woodwork for Donald Trump. So we need every single person
31:02
to vote for Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris doesn't have to be
31:04
your best friend. You don't even have to like any
31:07
for policies. It's about voting for one of the
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people that will be president. OK, let's talk about chaperone.
31:13
So if you guys didn't see. So that's my hot take pretty
31:16
much that I think Chaparron was completely misguided and she
31:18
shouldn't have said what she said.
31:21
Chaparron. So there's been a lot of
31:25
controversy. I'm not going to talk about
31:26
like, I think it's totally fair for her to set boundaries with
31:28
her fans and like prioritize her mental health.
31:30
That's not even about this. This is about her political
31:32
statement. She is a new artist that
31:34
obviously rose to fame very, very quickly.
31:39
I'm not going to touch on too much about travel.
31:41
I don't really talk about her much on my TikTok, mostly
31:44
because like we have like mutual friends.
31:46
Do you think politics and like her stance on politics is really
31:49
important to comment on? So she first made a statement
31:54
where she said there's problems on both sides and that she's not
31:56
going to endorse a candidate, right?
31:59
It's totally fair to say there's problems on both sides.
32:02
But to say that without endorsing Kamala Harris, I think
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it's incredibly dangerous. I also think she kind of came
32:12
about it in a little bit of a careless way.
32:14
She's very focused on people like, I love Chapel.
32:16
I'm a huge fan. She's very focused on making
32:20
sure they refer to her correctly and saying like calling her
32:23
Chapel in public and not calling her Kaylee.
32:27
And then she like and then she incorrectly pronounced Kamala
32:32
Harris's name. She said I'm folk fucking quote.
32:35
She said quote. I'm fucking voting for Kamala
32:37
saying Kamala. There's racial implications of
32:40
that to say to do your research and then not know how to
32:43
pronounce the first potentially black woman president.
32:48
I think is careless and has huge implications on this election.
32:54
The other thing is that she said, of course, I have
32:56
encouraged people to use critical thinking skills to
32:58
learn about what they're voting for, who they're voting for and
33:01
ask questions. So fair.
33:04
But then she says, I'm not voting for Trump.
33:06
And yes, I will be voting for Kamala, but I'm not endorsing
33:09
her. There's a difference between
33:10
endorsing and voting, for sure. But like when you're publicly
33:14
saying about voting for someone, that's kind of an endorsement.
33:16
So she kind of did endorse her. Everything she's saying I
33:21
actually agree with of like using your critical thinking
33:25
skills and like wishing that Kamala Harris wasn't arming
33:29
Israel and all these things, but still voting for Kamala.
33:32
So fair. However, my biggest issue is how
33:36
she went about it. Mispronouncing Kamala Harris's
33:38
name, I think is like a microaggression.
33:41
And also saying to vote local. She says vote, use your vote.
33:47
Vote small, vote for what's going on in your city.
33:51
That's such a very good point. In any other election, I would
33:54
say, yeah, like usually voting small is more impactful.
33:58
Not in this election. To say to not tell people to
34:01
vote in the presidential election is really damaging.
34:04
And that's my hot take. Love Chapel.
34:08
You could you guys can disagree with me, but and like I
34:12
appreciate that she's like voting for Kamala, but to not
34:15
tell people to vote public when you're talking about politics is
34:20
a little careless. That's my thought.
34:22
This is why it's so hard to be a celebrity.
34:25
Like I totally understand. But you have this huge, huge
34:28
platform and you have to consider like how what you're
34:31
saying and look what the impact of it will be.
34:34
And I just really hope there's people that saw that, that are
34:38
hopefully not just going to like not vote in the presidential
34:41
election because this is so important.
34:43
I know she talks about LGBTQ rights and trans kids.
34:46
And the Democrat Democratic Party is not doing enough right
34:48
now. Trans kids and LGBTQ kids are
34:51
going to be, are going to die because of Trump's policies.
34:55
And the only way that we can make sure that this is a country
34:59
that would like, seize trans and LGBTQ people's people is by
35:04
voting Kamala Harris, not by staying out of this election,
35:07
because staying out of the election, Donald Trump wins.
35:10
That's just a fact. So that's my hot take.
35:15
Love you, Chapel. But I think that her words could
35:19
have been constructed a little bit differently.
35:22
And I think it's really important for celebrities right
35:25
now, especially with the disillusionment, the
35:29
disillusionment on the left. And I think it's so fair.
35:32
Like Trump has been running for like 10 years now.
35:36
But we need to remember how important this election is.
35:38
And then it comes down to young people.
35:40
The election is literally next week.
35:43
So please vote. And the only way we can push for
35:47
the changes we want in our government is to have a
35:49
democracy. And the only, the only way we're
35:51
going to have a democracy is if Kamala Harris wins.
35:54
So vote for Kamala and yeah, next week I'm going to have a
36:01
just a little bit of a shorter episode.
36:04
It's going to be Election Day. So I doubt people are going to
36:06
really want to like listen to gasp the pod, but like, you
36:09
know, go crazy If you want to listen.
36:11
I'll have like a very short episode.
36:13
I'm going to be talking about like how Trump and Russia is
36:16
like possibly paying right wing influencers.
36:19
We'll talk about Bryce Hall and all those motherfuckers.
36:22
And then we're going to get back into our usually scheduled pop
36:25
culture. We're not going to use our
36:27
brains for a few weeks because life has been hard.
36:31
The election has been weighing on people like things are
36:34
expensive, things are crazy. Let's get into some juice.
36:38
And I have some very exciting guests coming on, some gaylors
36:43
that you guys might be familiar with from the Internet.
36:46
We're talking literally as I speak about planning our
36:49
episodes, so I'm very excited. I'm also going to have on my
36:52
friend. We're going to talk about how
36:54
Leonardo DiCaprio is probably a gay man.
36:57
So yeah, we've got a lot of exciting stuff coming up.
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Please go vote if you haven't. I'm literally about to go return
37:03
my ballot in the mail. Also, in terms of this podcast,
37:08
if you've listened to like one or more episodes, let me know
37:12
what you like, what you don't like.
37:14
I've made a variety of different types of episodes.
37:17
As you can see. I wanted to kind of see like
37:19
what sticks and like what doesn't.
37:21
So let me know which episode was your favorite.
37:24
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37:28
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37:35
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37:41
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37:53
I let me and my girlfriend are going somewhere that we can't
37:55
say yet, but we're very excited. And yeah, see you guys next
38:00
week. Go vote.
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Bye, Gaspers.