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Wayne Allyn Root’s WAR Zone 12-01-25 Hour 2 · Wayne Allyn Root’s WAR Zone Audio Hours

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  Speaker 2: I love the back seven minutes after the hour, the
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  Speaker 2: very first show of December.
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  Speaker 3: My name is Lee Elsie.
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  Speaker 2: way and we'll go back and forth that way. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a friend of million now. I know technology,
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  Speaker 2: technology hates me. So in the break, I went to
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  Speaker 2: a website that I've gone to a bajillion times to
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  Speaker 2: do something that I've done a bajillion times, and then
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  Speaker 2: sort of the part part of the website that I
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  Speaker 2: would click on to do what I wanted to do,
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  Speaker 2: not there am I a missing in action? So then
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  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm sitting there searching like a dope looking
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  Speaker 2: around the website and you can't find it nowhere to
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  Speaker 2: be found. All right, A couple of things I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about here in this segment. One Number one
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  Speaker 2: is again kudos. I don't agree with everything Trump does, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just I have some things that you know,
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  Speaker 2: he sort of broaches on that makes me uncomfortable. But
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, man, knocking these boats out of the
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  Speaker 2: water filled with drugs, I am all about it.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's been some backpeddling. You know, some of the
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  Speaker 2: folks are getting a little wishy washy, a little you know,
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  Speaker 2: a little squeamish when it comes to this stuff below
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  Speaker 2: them to smithereens one after another after another after another.
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  Speaker 3: I'm all in, I'm all behind you with this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, these are people who are coming to this
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  Speaker 2: country spread and poison, spreading the you know, this drug
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  Speaker 2: trade that is killing millions of Americans.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, finally we.
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  Speaker 2: Actually have somebody who's aggressive in the war on drugs.
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  Speaker 3: And still you've got people who are like, no, you
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  Speaker 3: can't do it. What about due process? What about this?
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  Speaker 3: What about this?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they're this, they're fishermen. None of that is true,
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  Speaker 2: none of it. First of all, they don't get due
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  Speaker 2: process throughout in the middle of the of the ocean.
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  Speaker 2: It's a completely different dynamic. And it just seems to
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  Speaker 2: me that there are cases where the DEM's progressives they
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  Speaker 2: they just want to be contrariant to what is a
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  Speaker 2: good idea and a solid idea.
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  Speaker 3: So keep blowing those boats completely out of the water.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about how though we are at
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  Speaker 2: a crossroads, we are, we are at crossroads maybe more
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  Speaker 2: dangerous than any battle field our father has ever faced.
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  Speaker 2: They you know, they confronted kings across oceans. We confront
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  Speaker 2: a government that is built on debt, and we have
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  Speaker 2: had to face off against the government that is lined
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  Speaker 2: with unscrupulous serpents who are only out for themselves. And
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  Speaker 2: the chains today are not forged and ironed. But again
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  Speaker 2: back to debt, to regulation, to surveillance, and that money
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  Speaker 2: printing that never sleeps. I told you today was going
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  Speaker 2: to be about money, and yet the remedy today is
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  Speaker 2: the same as it was in seventeen seventy six. Courage, clarity,
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  Speaker 2: and the unshakable refusal to live on your knees. That
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  Speaker 2: is what makes Americans Americans gray. And the hour is late,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not too late. What has to be done
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  Speaker 2: not tomorrow, but today. It has to be done today
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  Speaker 2: and every day up until election day. We have to
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  Speaker 2: balance this budget somehow. We have to figure out get
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  Speaker 2: people in place in Congress that are willing to forge
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  Speaker 2: forward with that, because borrowing from your children is going
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  Speaker 2: to be the ruin of the United States of America.
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  Speaker 2: And as I've said to you already, in twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 2: we spend more than a trillion dollars just to pay
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  Speaker 2: interest on debt. That's more than the national defense, more
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  Speaker 2: than medicaid, medicare, more than any other discretionary program that
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  Speaker 2: we have. That's not governance.
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  Speaker 3: That's theft across generations.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's that's being fueled by these unscrupulous
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  Speaker 2: diaballa anti American people hiding.
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  Speaker 3: Behind the scenes, and.
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  Speaker 2: They just are all about power, and to keep power,
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  Speaker 2: they have to make promises and to keep those promises,
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  Speaker 2: they have to spend money, and to spend that money,
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  Speaker 2: they have to print it. And they are mortgaging your
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  Speaker 2: kid's future. It's a theft across generations. Pass a balanced
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  Speaker 2: budget amendment, do it with teeth. No more continuing resolutions.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, that's all we got is a continuing resolution.
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  Speaker 2: There's no balanced budget, there's no budget. They're monstrous omnibus monstrosities.
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  Speaker 3: So we have to be.
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  Speaker 2: Accountable for every dollar that we spend, every dollar that's
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  Speaker 2: debated on the floors of Congress. We need to know
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  Speaker 2: where they're going, where it's going. And Congress should only
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  Speaker 2: spend what it taxes. It shouldn't spend more money than
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  Speaker 2: it has. Sure, now you may say, well, what about
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  Speaker 2: in a case of a dire emergency. Okay, well, if
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  Speaker 2: we're at war, it's a different scenario. But what's the
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  Speaker 2: excuse for the last forty years. The Constitution is not
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  Speaker 2: a suggestion, ladies and gentlemen. It's not a suggestion. We
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  Speaker 2: have to adhere to it. We have to follow it.
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  Speaker 2: Less is more, less government is more. We have to
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  Speaker 2: reign in the federal reserve. We have to return to
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  Speaker 2: some semblance of sound money. I mean, think about how
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  Speaker 2: much power that we have given, how much purchasing power
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  Speaker 2: that we have given over.
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  Speaker 3: Just hand it over to these bureaucrats.
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  Speaker 2: We must allow which our money has to eventually be
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  Speaker 2: backed by something. We have to dismantle the administrative state
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  Speaker 2: and restore the separations of power. That is what the
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  Speaker 2: founding fathers bled for. They bled to establish that, and
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  Speaker 2: we've just ignored it again. Dismantle this administrative state. All
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  Speaker 2: of the bureaucracies, the levels of it are almost mind
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  Speaker 2: numbingly countless. We should abolish every single agency that rights,
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  Speaker 2: enforces and adjudicates its own regulations.
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  Speaker 3: Right the EPA.
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  Speaker 2: Don't reform it just to fund it. Dissolve it. Department
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  Speaker 2: of Education, shut it down. I thought we were in
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  Speaker 2: the process of shutting that down. What's happened with that?
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  Speaker 2: And if Congress wants new rules, let the people's elected
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  Speaker 2: representatives vote on them in public, not unelected bureaucrats.
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  Speaker 3: Those are the people.
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  Speaker 2: The unelected bean counting pencel pushers, pocket protecting wearing folks
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  Speaker 2: scurrying around the hallways in Washington, those are the ones
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  Speaker 2: that are soaking up this tremendous amount of bloat and
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  Speaker 2: debt because we're paying for, you know, these people's six
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  Speaker 2: figure salaries and six month vacas, six week vacations, and
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  Speaker 2: half the time they're staying home. We also need to
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  Speaker 2: adopt a policy of peace, commerce, honest friendship, friendships with
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  Speaker 2: other nations.
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  Speaker 3: Figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: We spent eight trillion dollars in sacrifice thousands of our
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  Speaker 2: finest men and women in these Middle East battles since two.
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  Speaker 3: Thousand and one. And what have we got for? What
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  Speaker 3: do we have?
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  Speaker 2: Somebody tell me and listen, I'll wait, oh wait, tell
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  Speaker 2: me while you're looking for that, let me know. We
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  Speaker 2: also need to reclaim civil liberties that we've been trading
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  Speaker 2: away in the name of safety and convenience. Your privacy
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  Speaker 2: very important that's gone by the wayside. The fires of
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  Speaker 2: courts entered and they rubber stamp things that your founding
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  Speaker 2: fathers would be spinning, their spinning and their grave thinking
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  Speaker 2: about it. But we need to break the censorship cartel
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  Speaker 2: between big tech and the federal government.
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  Speaker 3: All of that, and.
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  Speaker 2: Finally, how about we figure out a way in this
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  Speaker 2: great country to revitalize civil society.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we don't have that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Right, federal government has spent decades crowding out families, boxing
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  Speaker 2: out the church, boxing out charities. By the way, I
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  Speaker 2: talk about this all the time on my show. Who
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  Speaker 2: should be in charge of helping people out, lifting them up,
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  Speaker 2: giving them a helping.
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  Speaker 3: Hand if they're down and out?
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  Speaker 4: Is it the.
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  Speaker 2: Government or is it local charities or local churches? Well,
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  Speaker 2: I'll answer that for you. It's the local charities and
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  Speaker 2: the local churches. They did it for decades. They did
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  Speaker 2: it for over hundreds of years actually, and then the
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  Speaker 2: federal government came rolling through and said, we can do
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  Speaker 2: it better. We'll just tax everybody and we'll spread that wealth.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what does that sound like? All right, Well,
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  Speaker 2: that was just a little sum for something that I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to share with you guys. To me, it's common sense.
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  Speaker 2: It's a moment of common sense. Find it and we
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  Speaker 2: can save this country before it's too late. All Right,
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  Speaker 2: fighting for her life in Chicago severe burns, a grave
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  Speaker 2: injustice which is now becoming apparently common in cities across
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  Speaker 2: the country. Bethany McGhee, twenty six year old woman from Upland, Indiana,
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  Speaker 2: has horrific burns she received well just riding a Chicago
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  Speaker 2: CTA Blue Line train on November seventeenth, and her story
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  Speaker 2: is incredibly similar to several other incidents that have happened
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  Speaker 2: of late. They're all kinds of different counts of people
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  Speaker 2: being attacked on these trains. We know about the stabbing,
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  Speaker 2: We know of a couple people who have burned alive.
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  Speaker 2: But Lawrence Reed, a fifty year old man with an
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  Speaker 2: astoundingly long criminal record, allegedly doused McGhee with gasoline, chased
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  Speaker 2: her through the train and litter on fire, and repeatedly
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  Speaker 2: yelled out burn alive, blank.
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  Speaker 3: And again.
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  Speaker 2: This incident has been remarkably similar to others. Here's what
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  Speaker 2: gets me Now, there are crazy people out there, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, by the grace of God, you don't run
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  Speaker 2: into one. But this person, this read person, has been
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  Speaker 2: arrested seventy two times, come on, seventy two times in
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  Speaker 2: just Cook County, Illinois. He's been convicted in fifteen of
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  Speaker 2: those cases times, and one of those cases that he
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  Speaker 2: was arrested on was an actual aggravated arsenal charge. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I admit I am a hardliner when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: crime and punishment. I think that you know, people do
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  Speaker 2: deserve second chances, even third chances, in particular if.
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  Speaker 3: It's a non violent offense.
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  Speaker 2: I'm for people sort of picking themselves up and figuring
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  Speaker 2: it out. But when you've been arrested seventy two times,
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  Speaker 2: and you know many of those arrests are violent in nature, there.
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  Speaker 3: Is no way you should be back out on the street.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a gross injustice to humanity that you
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  Speaker 2: are out wandering around allowed to do something like this.
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  Speaker 2: And in the last case, when he was arrested, this
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  Speaker 2: read guy, the prosecutors wanted to keep him locked up,
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  Speaker 2: but the judge let him go.
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  Speaker 3: And these progressive.
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  Speaker 2: I was almost almost swore these people who feel like
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  Speaker 2: they have the responsibility of humanity on their shoulders to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that these people who have committed these awful
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  Speaker 2: crimes somehow they're not being treated with the compassion that
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  Speaker 2: they deserve. So what do they do. They let them
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  Speaker 2: out time and time again. They let them out without
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  Speaker 2: them doing the most minimum amount of jail time. And
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  Speaker 2: what happens. The rates of recidivism for most of these
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  Speaker 2: very violent people are through the roof. People end up
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  Speaker 2: getting hurt, people end up dying. And I've said this
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  Speaker 2: on my radio show for decades, literally that if you're
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  Speaker 2: somebody who has the power to let somebody out of
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  Speaker 2: prison or not send somebody to prison, like a judge
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  Speaker 2: or a pardoner, parole.
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  Speaker 3: Board, you and you alone who makes.
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  Speaker 2: That decision, should bear the brunt and the weight of
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  Speaker 2: whatever happens when that person gets out, and whatever they
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  Speaker 2: do should also fall on your lap. So, if you've
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  Speaker 2: decided not to put this person in jail, then when
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  Speaker 2: they go out and commit a heinous crime, that heinous
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  Speaker 2: crime you should be responsible for in some way, shape
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  Speaker 2: or form. That's my opinion. And you want this stuff
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  Speaker 2: to stop, that's how it will stop. Well, come right back.
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  Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Lee. Remember I retired five years ago,
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  Speaker 6: so I'm no longer a full time professor.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we always consider you a professor. What's a professor,
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  Speaker 2: always a professor, all right. So hey, listen, I've been
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  Speaker 2: some of the things that you've got going on. I
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  Speaker 2: that as well. And you got that swell hat on
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  Speaker 2: the time, and I appreciate that. But you know, many
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: people under the age of forty right now, they've come
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to the conclusion that they'll never own their own home,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and then capitalism is rigged against them. And you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: as an economist, what do you say to that generation
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: who have shrugged their shoulders and maybe have given up.
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  Speaker 6: Well, there's a lot of criticism of the economy, and
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: rightfully so, I've been criticizing the economy since the nineteen
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: seventies when I became aware of the policies of the
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  Speaker 6: federal government. We don't have pure capitalism in America. We
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: have crony capitalism. We have a mixed economy, which means
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: we have a lot of government intervention in the economy,
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: which the storts the economy. What do I mean by that, Well,
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  Speaker 6: growing up in the nineteen seventies, we saw gas lines
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  Speaker 6: because of the old crises. All crises should never existed.
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  Speaker 6: If we had supply and demand working, there wouldn't be
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  Speaker 6: any gas lines like we had in the early seventies.
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  Speaker 6: In the late seventies, rent control in New York City
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: has destroyed hundreds of thousands of units in New York City.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: That's why there's an affordability problem, because there's not enough
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: supply of housing. Government divention destroys the infrastructure of the economy.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: It makes people poorer. Then we have the Federal Reserve
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: that debases the currency by printing money. I've been warning
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  Speaker 6: about this since the nineteen seventies, and here we are
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: in twenty twenty five and the dollar is only worth
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: two cents of the original dollar of nineteen thirteen. So
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: we have a lot of problems lead that I've been
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: addressing in my substack column, in my books and my articles.
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  Speaker 6: And it's easy to figure out the free market economy
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  Speaker 6: is the best way to growing economy, to create prosperity
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  Speaker 6: and to eliminate poverty. Unfortunately, the politicians think it's government
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  Speaker 6: spending and debt that can grow an economy, which is
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  Speaker 6: probably one of the biggest myths there is.
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  Speaker 2: So the government has their clause into everything, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about decades worth of abuse here, Murray.
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  Speaker 3: How do you solve that?
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  Speaker 2: How do you get them to release this hold on
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  Speaker 2: all of us and get that market back to a
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  Speaker 2: true capitalistic market.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: Well, that's why I created the MAFI movement make Americans
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  Speaker 6: Financial Independent and on today's substach. I asked chat GBT
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  Speaker 6: GPT to write an updated version of Thomas Paine's Common Sense,
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: which is two hundred and fifty years old. It was
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: published in January twenty twenty, seventeen seventy six, which was
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: the spark for the American Revolution. What he called for
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: independence from Great Bigain. We need independence from war Washington,
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: d C. That means phasing out social security, Medicare and medicaid,
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: food stamps, and all the other social welfare programs that
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: people thought were sustainable. They're unsustainable because the federal government
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: is running two trillion dollar deficits. So we have a
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: real problem in this country. It's called dependency. The American
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: revolutionaries didn't fight Britain so we could have a welfare
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  Speaker 6: state in the twenty first century. That's the issue is
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: that the people in Washington are totally ignoring. That's why
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: I write on substack and created the Mafi movement.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Now you know it, I know it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of conservatives, fiscal conservatives
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  Speaker 2: who know this. But how can you convince or how
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: can you convince the public and then get a politician
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: to run on the idea that no, I'm not going
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to give you anything. I'm not going to give you
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  Speaker 2: the sun, the star, and the moon. You're going to
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: have to go out and work for what you get.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: How is somebody going to get elect We've gotten to
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  Speaker 2: the point now, Murray, where if you don't promise everybody everything,
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  Speaker 2: you're not getting elected.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's why politics is a dead end when it
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: comes to this issue. The economy is going to implode.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: Not that I wanted to implode, but we're seeing the
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: same things that led to the crash of nineteen twenty nine.
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  Speaker 6: That's why I believe we're going to have a crash
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: in twenty twenty nine because of all the money that
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: the federal government is spending that it doesn't have, all
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  Speaker 6: the money printing that's been going on, all the speculation
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: in the stock market. This is all going to come
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: to a head by the end of this decade beginning
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: of the next decade. I think the earliest this crash
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: can occur is in twenty twenty nine, the one hundredth
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: anniversary of the nineteen twenty nine crash. We are in
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: a country where we have these hundred year cycles. I
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: went through this with my students in my Financial History
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: of the United States class. They love the analysis of
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: how we go through these cycles and why the future
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: is on the one hand, very bright because of the
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: men and women entrepreneurs on the other head and the politicians,
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: to use the technical term, are screwing everything up.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Well, you've mentioned substack a couple of different times. Where
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: can folks find you on that?
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: Murraysabrian dot substack dot com and I'll be posting some
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: hard hitting commentary about what needs to be done. One
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: of the biggest things we need to do is to
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: restore the doctor patient relationship. We need to get the
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: government out of medical care. We need to get companies
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: out of their medical care and let people use their
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: own dollars to purchase the amount of insurance they need.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: The real crime we have in America is that we're
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: over insured. We don't need medical insurance to see the
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: doctor for a sore throat. We need medical insurance just
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: to take care of catastrophic illnesses, which in the old days,
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: which is what Blue Coross blue shielded major medical. Now
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: we're trying to ensure every little medical ailment that affects people.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: And that's why for family afore, the premiums are close
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: to thirty thousand dollars a year, which is outrageous in
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: America when you should be spending a lot less than that.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: And we need to really downsize the medical bureaucracy we
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: have in this country, which have driven up costs plus
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: the inflation. So we have another perfect storm in medical care,
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: which is about eighteen percent of GDP, and we could
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: get that down to probably ten percent if we had
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  Speaker 6: a free market medical system.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Was that an Obamacare scenario? Is that when this all
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: really began to implode and basically blow up in our face.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Was the beginning before Obamacare came well.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: It began with employers giving their employees medical insurance because
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: of World War two price controls, and so now people
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: expect their employer to give them medical insurance as a benefit,
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: a free benefit. Now, of course, companies are asking their
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: employees to play more and more for their medical premiums.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: Then we get Medicare and Medicaid in nineteen sixty five
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  Speaker 6: as part of the Great Society, and they promised that
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: it would be a modest program, wouldn't cost much. And
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: Medicare Medicaid is nine hundred billion dollars a year. Medicare
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: is over a billion trillion dollars a year, and so
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: we have a real financial crisis in these two programs
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: that started out as very modest programs. But people are
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: becoming more and more dependent on the government for a
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: basic need, which is medical care.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: You know, I saw a couple of different studies.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't run into this because I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean because I never had to go down
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  Speaker 2: this road. But I have seen people who say, like,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: let's say you need to get an MRI. The MRI
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  Speaker 2: for an insured person might be three thousand dollars. And
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: then of course, you pay your deductible, the insurance pays
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  Speaker 2: it off. But if you're not insured, they can get
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  Speaker 2: you like an MRI for four five hundred bucks. So
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's I mean, that's criminal murray. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's just that's just raping the American time. I mean
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  Speaker 2: American insured insured in my mind. Let me give you
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  Speaker 2: a better example. I've written two books on healthcare.
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  Speaker 6: I interviewed one doctor here in Southway, Florida, who's a
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  Speaker 6: direct primary care doctor. Her patients pay a monthly fee
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: and they have access to the doctor. Twenty four to seven,
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: she had a patient who was uninsured and he needed
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: an operation. The local hospital quoted him twenty thousand dollars
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: for the operation. She said, you have to call the
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  Speaker 6: Surgery Center of Oklahoma in Tulsa. He called them up.
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  Speaker 6: They quoted him for the operation. The transportation from Florida
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  Speaker 6: to Oklahoma the state in Oklahoma five thousand dollars. That's
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  Speaker 6: a seventy five percent plus discount from what the local
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  Speaker 6: hospital was charging. Could you imagine if we could reduce
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  Speaker 6: all operations by seventy five percent in this country, if
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: people paid out of pocket and bank the money for
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: catastrophic coverage. We would save trillions of dollars of the
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: five trillion dollars of medical costs that we have in
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: this country. This is how a free market works. The
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: free market. The Surgery Center of Oklahoma doesn't accept insurance.
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  Speaker 6: It's a cash business and doctors love it. There's no
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  Speaker 6: insurance forms to fill out. Patients love it because they
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  Speaker 6: get high quality medical care and there's no bureaucracy whatsoever.
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  Speaker 6: We have to get rid of the middleman. Middleman is
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  Speaker 6: the insurance companies, the employer, and the federal government.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking to former economics finance professor at Rampo College, our.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, Murray, was it the design of Barack
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  Speaker 2: us into some sort of socialized medicine? Here?
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  Speaker 3: Is that what they want at the end of this Oh?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, they want a single payer. They want Bernie Sanders program.
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  Speaker 6: And Republicans should not be talking about reforming Obamacare. They
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  Speaker 6: in every shape way or form.
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  Speaker 3: Murray, can you stick around for one more segment?
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  Speaker 2: Sure?
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  Speaker 3: I got one more segment with you. We'll take a
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  Speaker 2: I got a couple more questions for our fine friend
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  Speaker 2: economics again, genius finance expert, our friend Murray Sabran will
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  Speaker 2: get into inflation here for just a second, Murray, before
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  Speaker 2: we run out of time. So everyone's saying that inflation
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  Speaker 3: Is it down? I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I go to the store and things are still the
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  Speaker 6: There's no question about it. The goodness is gas lian
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  Speaker 6: price have come down quite a bit. On a personal level,
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• 37:45
  Speaker 6: our independent living facility in Naples, Florida, will be up
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: four point five percent next year. That is a huge
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: increase when people say inflation is basically not a problem.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: I'm paying four point five percent higher for our monthly
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: feed next year, which is next month, and so that's
• 38:05
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• 38:10
  Speaker 6: so we don't have a lot of other expenditures. But
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  Speaker 6: the point is, for the average family in America is
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  Speaker 6: making sixty seventy eighty thousand dollars a year with two
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  Speaker 6: three kids. They are just scraping by. And it's all
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  Speaker 6: because of the Federal Reserve pumping money into the system,
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  Speaker 6: raising prices across the board and with government interference in
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  Speaker 6: the economy that causes supply to be less than it
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  Speaker 6: otherwise would be. So get a double whammy. Less supply
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  Speaker 6: means higher prices. More money into the system means higher prices,
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  Speaker 6: and that puts a squeeze on the average family budget.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. I want to make
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  Speaker 3: sure we get to this before we run out of time.
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  Speaker 2: But if you had to pick one policy tax reform,
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  Speaker 2: immigration changes, housing, deregulation, industry policy, or something else that
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  Speaker 2: would add to the long term economic growth, let's say
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  Speaker 2: in the next decade, which one.
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  Speaker 3: Would it be or what would it be and why?
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  Speaker 6: Well, a simple answer would be deregulation, getting government off
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  Speaker 6: the backs of businesses. That would free up capital for expansion,
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  Speaker 6: for improvement in mom and pop stores, in medium sized businesses,
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  Speaker 6: and big size large businesses. That would be a great
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  Speaker 6: tonic for the US economy. So I would start with that.
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  Speaker 6: Then get government spending down because it wastes huge resources
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  Speaker 6: that can be better employed by people who make decisions
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  Speaker 6: in the market economy, and then of course stop inflating
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  Speaker 6: the supply of money, and also have a sensible trade policy,
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  Speaker 6: which to me is free trade. One of the strengths
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  Speaker 6: of America is where a free trade nation of fifty
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  Speaker 6: states and goods and services flows smoothly across the country.
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  Speaker 6: We could have the same sitting on a global level.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm a big free trader because it's part of
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  Speaker 6: the free market, free economy system. Is that the founders
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  Speaker 6: and visions of this country, and I think that's what
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  Speaker 6: we need to focus on, is economic freedom is the
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  Speaker 6: best way to help people achieve greater prosperity and reduce poverty,
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  Speaker 6: no question about it. Hands down. We don't need all
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  Speaker 6: these super government programs.
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  Speaker 2: All right, considering everything including technology advances, AI, demographics, geopolitics,
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  Speaker 2: ten years from now, ten years from today, will the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: average person in the developed world be richer or poor?
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  Speaker 3: Murray?
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  Speaker 6: They should be richer because the men and women entrepreneurs
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  Speaker 6: across this world, especially in America, are doing great things
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  Speaker 6: under the handicap of a federal intervention, high taxes, massive spending,
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  Speaker 6: and money printing. But men and women entrepreneurs are very resilient.
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  Speaker 6: We saw this during COVID. People were able to expand
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  Speaker 6: their businesses. It's in spite of the lockdowns. Now, sub
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: businesses did go under because they couldn't adapt to the lockdowns,
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  Speaker 6: which was a tragedy for a lot of small businesses,
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  Speaker 6: but big businesses thrive during the lockdown. And so I
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  Speaker 6: would really implored President Trump to make an announcement to
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  Speaker 6: the American people that the free enterprise system is the
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  Speaker 6: best way to have a growing economy, to have the
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  Speaker 6: real Golden Age, and he should have his people get
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  Speaker 6: rid of all the regulations that have been in place
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  Speaker 6: for the last one hundred years that make it difficult
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  Speaker 6: for businesses to operate in a free market economy.
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  Speaker 2: So Murray, tell everybody you know where they can find
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  Speaker 2: you every single day, where they can get the books,
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  Speaker 2: where they can get to know how, and you know
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: you're back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's substack. Where do they go?
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  Speaker 6: Murray Sabran dot substack dot com and MAFI USA dot com,
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  Speaker 6: m a Fi USA dot com. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: And this is the way we create a movement is
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  Speaker 3: Murray, thank you, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate the expertise and the insight on all this
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  Speaker 2: great stuff, and we'll talk again very soon.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks so much. Ley, great to be with you again.
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  Speaker 2: You got a brother, Murray Sabran again a very smart
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  Speaker 2: cookie in the world of the economy and economics, so
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: we appreciate him his time today. All right, I have
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  Speaker 2: stumbled and bubbled it up through two hours, Wayne, thankfully.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow night. Guys out on Patriot dot TV.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: The boys in Minnesota, thank you guys very much. Enjoy
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  Speaker 2: the rest of your Monday. Maybe it's got to be
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  Speaker 2: the trip to Fan. Maybe I'm just overloaded on trip
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of your Monday. I'll catch you guys
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  Speaker 2: next time.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see you.
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