Latest / The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories / Serial Killer Documentary - Jeffrey Dahmer
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- 0:05Speaker 1: Shortly before midnight on July the twenty second, nineteen ninety one,
- 0:10Speaker 1: two Milwaukee police officers were flagged down in their patrol
- 0:14Speaker 1: car by a man with a pair of handcuffs dangling
- 0:17Speaker 1: from one wrist. The police had no idea that this
- 0:21Speaker 1: bizarre encounter would lead to the arrest of one of
- 0:24Speaker 1: the most prolific serial killers in US history.
- 0:28Speaker 2: That night, people were afraid. People were whispering under their breaths.
- 0:34Speaker 2: It was the devil, It's the devil.
- 0:36Speaker 1: The man had escaped from a small one bedroom apartment
- 0:40Speaker 1: on North twenty fifth Street. When the officers went to investigate,
- 0:44Speaker 1: they found themselves in a living nightmare.
- 0:46Speaker 3: They saw the body parts and then one of the
- 0:48Speaker 3: officers that he heard a scream. Then he realized he
- 0:51Speaker 3: was the one who screened when he saw.
- 0:52Speaker 1: The body without detection. Thirty one year old Jeffrey Dahmer
- 0:56Speaker 1: had killed seventeen young men across a thirteen year period.
- 1:01Speaker 4: He hasn't got the same level of repulsion and shock
- 1:05Speaker 4: dead bodies or mutilated bodies that most of us have.
- 1:08Speaker 4: It was just another aspect of his life.
- 1:11Speaker 1: Jeffrey Damer had etched his name in history as one
- 1:15Speaker 1: of the world's most evil killers. The name Jeffrey Dama
- 1:39Speaker 1: has become synonymous with evil. Between nineteen seventy eight and
- 1:44Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, he killed seventeen young men and boys
- 1:48Speaker 1: by drugging them before strangling them to death. As the
- 1:51Speaker 1: revelations of the murders came to light, it was the
- 1:54Speaker 1: behavior of Dama once he killed his victims that really
- 1:58Speaker 1: stunned the world with stories of necrophilia and cannibalism. The
- 2:04Speaker 1: first journalist to arrive at the crime scene was Annie Schwartz.
- 2:08Speaker 2: It wasn't a gory crime scene. It was really quite antiseptic.
- 2:13Speaker 2: It was a very simple one bedroom with a kitchen
- 2:16Speaker 2: and a living room, and it looked like a regular
- 2:20Speaker 2: single guy lived there. Some dishes in the scene, but
- 2:24Speaker 2: by and large, this was not some chamber of horrors
- 2:27Speaker 2: like people you know will describe it, certainly not at
- 2:30Speaker 2: first look. Once detectives and officers started searching further, that's
- 2:36Speaker 2: when they found out the actual horror was in that apartment.
- 2:41Speaker 1: The story of this macabre killer begins thirty years before
- 2:45Speaker 1: his arrest. Jeffrey Dahmer was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on
- 2:50Speaker 1: May the twenty first, nineteen sixty the family moved to
- 2:54Speaker 1: Iowa before settling in Ohio in nineteen sixty six.
- 2:59Speaker 5: If you live with his parents, who were constantly, constantly,
- 3:04Speaker 5: as he put it, at each other's throats, you know,
- 3:07Speaker 5: his mother appeared to have been, you know, this raging
- 3:11Speaker 5: bundle of neurotic behavior of parents were constantly fighting and screaming.
- 3:16Speaker 5: And you know, Dahmer himself evidently throughout much of his
- 3:22Speaker 5: early life, was completely completely ignored by both of them
- 3:25Speaker 5: were so caught up in their own psychological turmoil.
- 3:32Speaker 4: Jeffrey Darmer never really made close social links with any
- 3:36Speaker 4: of his peers. He was a little bit odd, and
- 3:39Speaker 4: if you speak to his school friends at the time,
- 3:42Speaker 4: he didn't seem to have a lot of empathy for
- 3:44Speaker 4: other children. So when children would fall over in the
- 3:47Speaker 4: playground or get hurt or cry, he didn't appear to
- 3:50Speaker 4: be affected by that and would sometimes laugh at them.
- 3:53Speaker 4: So something wasn't quite right with a young Jeffrey Darmer.
- 3:59Speaker 1: Feeling ostra size by his family and classmates, Dama spent
- 4:03Speaker 1: a lot of time playing alone in the woods surrounding
- 4:06Speaker 1: his Ohio home.
- 4:08Speaker 6: Well.
- 4:08Speaker 4: He had a really morbid curiosity with death from quite
- 4:11Speaker 4: a young age, and This started with a fairly innocent
- 4:14Speaker 4: insect collection, and he would keep the bodies of insects
- 4:18Speaker 4: inside jars full of chemicals.
- 4:20Speaker 6: This soon progressed.
- 4:22Speaker 4: He would go fishing, and he was interested in what
- 4:24Speaker 4: the fish look like on the inside, so he would
- 4:27Speaker 4: chop up the fish to have a look at this.
- 4:30Speaker 2: Damer took his fish and cut it open. It was
- 4:33Speaker 2: fascinated with the inside of the fish, and one of
- 4:38Speaker 2: his little friends asked him, Jeffrey, why do you what
- 4:42Speaker 2: are you doing?
- 4:43Speaker 5: And he said, just look at it, you know, And this,
- 4:47Speaker 5: you know, escalates, you know, to the point that it's
- 4:50Speaker 5: you know, he's apparently killing stray dogs and you know,
- 4:54Speaker 5: decapitating them.
- 4:55Speaker 4: One of the young boys in the neighborhood was walking
- 4:58Speaker 4: in the woods behind Damo's house when Dahmer was a teenager,
- 5:02Speaker 4: and he came across the body of a dead dog
- 5:05Speaker 4: and it was mutilated and it was nailed to a tree.
- 5:08Speaker 5: So there's some early interest in animal anatomy that blossoms
- 5:15Speaker 5: into this very very dark obsession and then somehow becomes
- 5:20Speaker 5: tangled up with his own sexuality.
- 5:24Speaker 1: Dahma continued to struggle to fit in at high school
- 5:28Speaker 1: and turn to alcohol from a young age.
- 5:31Speaker 4: Well, Dahma started drinking when he was at school, and
- 5:34Speaker 4: one of his former classmates remembered that he used to
- 5:36Speaker 4: come in with a cup and he didn't have tea
- 5:38Speaker 4: or coffee in this cup. He had scotch whiskey in it.
- 5:41Speaker 4: So this was quite a disturbing behavior for a teenager.
- 5:45Speaker 2: There's a thought that, in hindsight, you ask why more
- 5:50Speaker 2: people didn't try to intervene. You've got a kid coming
- 5:52Speaker 2: drunk to school. But back in the seventies, when Dahmer's
- 5:57Speaker 2: coming to school intoxicated, nobody thinks we better make sure
- 6:01Speaker 2: we take care of this because what if he turns
- 6:03Speaker 2: out to be a serial killer.
- 6:07Speaker 1: In the summer of nineteen seventy eight, Dama's parents finally divorced.
- 6:12Speaker 4: The breakdown of Jeffrey Darmer's parents' marriage was quite a
- 6:15Speaker 4: tough time for him. His parents were at each other's throats.
- 6:18Speaker 4: It was not an amicable divorce at all, and each
- 6:21Speaker 4: of them was forcing him to side with them. So
- 6:24Speaker 4: he felt very much torn between his parents. So this
- 6:28Speaker 4: was a real source of conflict for him, and I
- 6:30Speaker 4: think at this time. Children often who have these experiences
- 6:34Speaker 4: will retreat into themselves. They will preoccupy themselves with things
- 6:38Speaker 4: that they're interested in and will lose themselves in their
- 6:41Speaker 4: own fantasy world.
- 6:42Speaker 6: And I think that's very much what happened with Darma.
- 6:45Speaker 1: Having just recently graduated from high school, Darma soon had
- 6:49Speaker 1: no one around him at all.
- 6:51Speaker 6: Well.
- 6:51Speaker 4: In nineteen seventy eight, Jeffrey Darmer was eighteen. His mother
- 6:55Speaker 4: had gone away with his younger brother, and his father
- 6:57Speaker 4: was living in a hotel, and he's ruminating and he's fantasizing,
- 7:03Speaker 4: and things are going to take her a turn for
- 7:05Speaker 4: the worst.
- 7:06Speaker 6: Quite soon after.
- 7:07Speaker 1: This, on June the eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight, Dahmer's fantasy
- 7:13Speaker 1: world collided with the real one when he pulled over
- 7:16Speaker 1: to pick up a nineteen year old hitchhiker called Stephen Hicks.
- 7:21Speaker 5: Dahmer picked him up and invited him back to his
- 7:23Speaker 5: house to have some drinks and I guess maybe smoke
- 7:26Speaker 5: some dope.
- 7:27Speaker 2: They were in the basement of his parents' home. They
- 7:31Speaker 2: had had sex, and then Stephen Hicks wanted to leave,
- 7:36Speaker 2: and that was when Dahmer just wanted so badly to
- 7:39Speaker 2: have company. Sounds like such a textbook psychological thing, you know,
- 7:44Speaker 2: abandonment syndrome, but this was at the heart of what
- 7:48Speaker 2: made him so needy for company.
- 7:50Speaker 5: And then when the guy said he wanted to leave,
- 7:52Speaker 5: Dahmer clubbed him on the back of the head with
- 7:54Speaker 5: a bar bell and then strangled him, then ultimately dispoke
- 8:00Speaker 5: to the body, removed all the flesh and eventually dissolved
- 8:05Speaker 5: in an acid, and pulverized the bones with a sledgehammer.
- 8:10Speaker 6: This is a really, really brutal crime.
- 8:13Speaker 4: And he disposes of the body parts in the woods
- 8:15Speaker 4: behind his house. And that's a really symbolic place for
- 8:18Speaker 4: Jeffrey Dharmer because this is a place where he's dismembered
- 8:21Speaker 4: animals before, where he's displayed mutilated dogs on tree trunks,
- 8:26Speaker 4: So we're seeing that this place is special to it.
- 8:29Speaker 1: Dharma had experienced taking the life of another human for
- 8:33Speaker 1: the first time.
- 8:38Speaker 4: I think that the first murder is a real milestone
- 8:41Speaker 4: for Jeffrey Darmer, so he knows now that he's capable
- 8:44Speaker 4: of this. He knows that he's capable of taking someone
- 8:46Speaker 4: else's life. So it's not just a fantasy anymore. It's
- 8:50Speaker 4: now a reality. He's gone from harming animals to harming people,
- 8:54Speaker 4: and he's not going to stop.
- 8:56Speaker 3: He's not desperate, but he becomes accustomed to it. He
- 9:00Speaker 3: becomes ready to kill again.
- 9:02Speaker 4: And just kill and kill and kill and kill until
- 9:05Speaker 4: he gets caught.
- 9:07Speaker 1: But it wasn't until thirteen years later, in August nineteen
- 9:11Speaker 1: ninety one, that Dama was finally apprehended after one of
- 9:15Speaker 1: his potential victims escape from his Milwaukee apartment. Once in custody,
- 9:20Speaker 1: Dahma confess to killing seventeen young men and boys. The
- 9:25Speaker 1: man whose job it was to prosecute the relentless killer
- 9:29Speaker 1: was Milwaukee District Attorney Mike mccannon.
- 9:32Speaker 3: The word evil doesn't come up very often. It just doesn't. Guilty,
- 9:35Speaker 3: not guilty. Did he do it, didn't he do it?
- 9:37Speaker 3: Culpability yes, but not often evil because evil was almost
- 9:40Speaker 3: a moral issue. The word came up with Damer. You
- 9:43Speaker 3: couldn't help see what he did innocent people, strangers, to
- 9:48Speaker 3: take for a couple of hours of sex, To take
- 9:50Speaker 3: a human being's life, that's so evil, so evil.
- 9:54Speaker 1: Dama's case made headlines across the world after the details
- 9:58Speaker 1: of his grisly confessed and were leaked.
- 10:01Speaker 3: The New York Times reporter compronized the integrity of a
- 10:04Speaker 3: worker at our building and got a copy of the confession.
- 10:06Speaker 3: It was a detailed, thirty eight page confession, so the
- 10:09Speaker 3: details of the gory things he had done again captured
- 10:12Speaker 3: people's interests, so that's how it rapidly became a matter
- 10:17Speaker 3: of intense interest.
- 10:18Speaker 1: The confession outlined the life of a deranged serial killer.
- 10:23Speaker 1: After murdering Stephen Hicks and desecrating his body in nineteen
- 10:27Speaker 1: seventy eight, Dama didn't kill again for nine years. After
- 10:32Speaker 1: dropping out of Ohio State University after just one semester,
- 10:37Speaker 1: he was spending most of his days drinking until his
- 10:40Speaker 1: father urged him to enlist in the US Armor.
- 10:44Speaker 4: The alcohol continued as a theme when he joined the
- 10:46Speaker 4: army and he moved to Germany. One of his former
- 10:50Speaker 4: colleagues remembers him just sitting in his room drinking gin
- 10:54Speaker 4: all day long, not even leaving his room to eat,
- 10:57Speaker 4: so there was a real dependency on.
- 10:59Speaker 1: Our In nineteen eighty one, twenty one year old Dama
- 11:04Speaker 1: was discharged from the Army after his drinking rendered him
- 11:08Speaker 1: incapable of serving. After spending a month sleeping rough on
- 11:12Speaker 1: the beaches of Florida, he returned to Ohio, but his
- 11:17Speaker 1: father had had enough and shipped him off to start
- 11:19Speaker 1: a new life in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
- 11:23Speaker 5: He was sent to live with his grandmother, who was
- 11:25Speaker 5: the one adult. Apparently he had you know, something approaching,
- 11:28Speaker 5: you know, a normal affection for I was there he
- 11:31Speaker 5: really embarked on this career of horror.
- 11:35Speaker 1: By nineteen eighty six, Dama had been arrested a couple
- 11:39Speaker 1: of times for exposing himself in public, once in front
- 11:43Speaker 1: of a group of children. The hopeless alcoholic had managed
- 11:47Speaker 1: to find work at a local chocolate factory in Milwaukee
- 11:51Speaker 1: and was frequenting gay bars and bathhouses.
- 11:55Speaker 4: I think being homosexual affected Dahmer in two ways. Firstly,
- 11:59Speaker 4: it was a sort of shame for him because it
- 12:01Speaker 4: was quite a stigmatized social identity at the time. But
- 12:05Speaker 4: also it enabled him an opportunity when it came to
- 12:09Speaker 4: his killing behavior. So being homosexual at this time it
- 12:13Speaker 4: was something that happened in the shadows. It was something
- 12:15Speaker 4: that happened underground, and this was the ideal place for
- 12:18Speaker 4: someone like him to go hunting.
- 12:20Speaker 1: It was this exposure to the gay scene that seemed
- 12:23Speaker 1: to reawaken the dark sexual urges inside of him, and
- 12:27Speaker 1: by September nineteen eighty seven, over nine years since the
- 12:31Speaker 1: murder of Stephen Hicks, Jeffrey Dahmer was ready to kill again.
- 12:35Speaker 2: His idea was to drug people and keep them with
- 12:40Speaker 2: him so that they wouldn't they wouldn't answer back to him,
- 12:42Speaker 2: they wouldn't argue with him, they wouldn't fight him, they
- 12:45Speaker 2: would stay with him.
- 12:46Speaker 7: That's what he wanted. He wanted companionship.
- 12:49Speaker 2: So he would go to the bars on Milwaukee's near
- 12:52Speaker 2: south side and he would have conversations with people in
- 12:55Speaker 2: these bars. And when he was talking to these people,
- 12:58Speaker 2: these prospective victim, he would say, so, what was it
- 13:02Speaker 2: like when you came out? How is your family about it?
- 13:06Speaker 2: So if your response was, oh, my family has been great.
- 13:09Speaker 2: They're so supportive, I'm very close to my parents, that
- 13:12Speaker 2: person wasn't going to be a victim. But if the
- 13:15Speaker 2: person answered, my parents aren't speaking to me anymore, I'm
- 13:19Speaker 2: estrange for my family.
- 13:21Speaker 7: I'm kind of on my own now.
- 13:23Speaker 2: That was the perfect victim for Jeffrey Dahmer because he
- 13:26Speaker 2: wanted to choose people who wouldn't be missed.
- 13:30Speaker 1: Between September nineteen eighty seven and March nineteen eighty eight,
- 13:35Speaker 1: Dama killed three men the youngest of fourteen year old
- 13:39Speaker 1: boy who he paid to pose for nude photographs before
- 13:42Speaker 1: drugging and strangling him to death. He would dissolve the
- 13:46Speaker 1: bodies in acid.
- 13:48Speaker 3: He cleverly developed a program to destroy the bodies to
- 13:51Speaker 3: get rid of the bodies, left no evidence. This was
- 13:53Speaker 3: a very clever killer, very clever killer.
- 13:57Speaker 8: Dama would dissolve his victims, presumably to make it easier
- 14:01Speaker 8: to dispose of them. Dissolving tissuan chemicals can certainly interfere
- 14:07Speaker 8: with identifying it as human tissue. It'll interfere with DNA.
- 14:10Speaker 8: You're really left predominantly with skeletal remains to try and
- 14:14Speaker 8: identify features such as age, sex, race.
- 14:18Speaker 1: Darma murdered two of the victims at his grandmother's house
- 14:22Speaker 1: where he was living.
- 14:23Speaker 5: As grandmother became aware that he was bringing these young
- 14:26Speaker 5: guys back to her house. I mean she thought for
- 14:30Speaker 5: gay sex. Obviously, she had no inkling of the atrocities
- 14:35Speaker 5: he was committing on their bodies, although she was complaining
- 14:38Speaker 5: also about a foul odor that she noticed.
- 14:41Speaker 1: On September the twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, Dharma moved
- 14:45Speaker 1: into his own apartment on North twenty fifth Street in
- 14:49Speaker 1: Milwaukee and didn't wait long before attacking again. The very
- 14:53Speaker 1: next day, September the twenty sixth, he enticed a thirteen
- 14:57Speaker 1: year old boy back to his home and drugged him.
- 15:00Speaker 8: One of the methods that Dama used to subdue his
- 15:04Speaker 8: victims was to use Benson doazepines, the same family of
- 15:08Speaker 8: drugs as valium. He put them in drinks that would
- 15:12Speaker 8: make you woozy, sleepy, and then eventually go unconscious.
- 15:17Speaker 1: Dama sexually assaulted the boy, but somehow, possibly due to
- 15:21Speaker 1: Dama passing out drunk, the thirteen year old escaped and
- 15:25Speaker 1: went to the police. In January nineteen eighty nine, he
- 15:30Speaker 1: was convicted of sexual assault, but the sentencing was delayed
- 15:34Speaker 1: until May, during which time an unrelenting Dama, unbeknownst to
- 15:39Speaker 1: the authorities, managed to claim a fifth victim. The twenty
- 15:44Speaker 1: nine year old served ten months in prison, but when
- 15:47Speaker 1: he was released in March nineteen ninety, he picked up
- 15:51Speaker 1: right where he left off.
- 15:53Speaker 4: So Jeffrey Dahmer really did ramp up his offending. The
- 15:58Speaker 4: scale and the nature of his behavior became all the
- 16:01Speaker 4: more grotesque. So he wasn't just killing people, dismembering them
- 16:06Speaker 4: and then disposing of their bodies.
- 16:09Speaker 6: He started to do some really bizarre things.
- 16:11Speaker 5: He was in the process of constructing some hideously diabolical
- 16:18Speaker 5: shrine in his bedroom out of the skulls and skeletons
- 16:23Speaker 5: of some of his victims. It's almost as though some
- 16:28Speaker 5: bizarre archaic thing had broken through and he was performing
- 16:35Speaker 5: or creating some sort of ancient human sacrificial temple in
- 16:44Speaker 5: this little Milwaukee apartment.
- 16:48Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety, Dama killed another four young men. His
- 16:52Speaker 1: mo was becoming more and more polished.
- 16:55Speaker 2: He would offer his victim's money to go back to
- 16:59Speaker 2: his apartment with him, to take pictures, nude photographs of them,
- 17:03Speaker 2: and then perhaps to have sex. Every single one of
- 17:07Speaker 2: his victims went with him willingly. He would offer them
- 17:11Speaker 2: a drink, and once he found out what they wanted
- 17:15Speaker 2: to drink, he kept a lot of things on hand,
- 17:18Speaker 2: different kinds of alcohol, and that's when he would put
- 17:21Speaker 2: a drug in it that would put them to sleep,
- 17:23Speaker 2: or that would relax them so that they would pass out.
- 17:26Speaker 3: They would pass out, He would then have sex with
- 17:28Speaker 3: them while they were passed out, do with them as
- 17:30Speaker 3: he wished, but of course they couldn't do to him then,
- 17:32Speaker 3: as they approached recovery. Coming out of it, he was
- 17:34Speaker 3: strangling to death.
- 17:35Speaker 1: It seemed as though Dama got a thrill not from
- 17:39Speaker 1: the murder, but from the dead bodies of his victims.
- 17:42Speaker 3: Dahmer liked necrophilia. He liked sex with unconscious people. He
- 17:47Speaker 3: wasn't a slasher in the sense that he took delight
- 17:50Speaker 3: in killing. His purpose was sex with these people. Company
- 17:53Speaker 3: with these people. That's hard to believe.
- 17:55Speaker 5: He would commit necrophilia, sex, ax on the corpse, dismember
- 18:00Speaker 5: the corpses, dissolve parts of the bodies, and these vats
- 18:04Speaker 5: of vacidy had keep certain organs and his refrigerator, some
- 18:08Speaker 5: of which he would actually cannibalize.
- 18:11Speaker 2: Dahmer said that the cannibalism that he engaged in was
- 18:14Speaker 2: born out of a curiosity. He wanted to find out,
- 18:19Speaker 2: first of all, what that would be like. He also
- 18:22Speaker 2: said that there was an element of wanting to make
- 18:25Speaker 2: these people a part of him, so they would be
- 18:28Speaker 2: with him forever.
- 18:30Speaker 5: Dahmer, from the beginning, you know, is driven by this
- 18:34Speaker 5: terror of being alone. He said. He killed his first victim,
- 18:39Speaker 5: Stephen Hicks, when Hicks said he had to go and
- 18:41Speaker 5: Dahmer didn't want to be alone as some desire, which
- 18:45Speaker 5: is part of normal sexuality. You know you love somebody,
- 18:48Speaker 5: you know somebody will be saying, Oh, I love you
- 18:50Speaker 5: so much, I want to eat you up. With normal people,
- 18:53Speaker 5: that's obviously metaphorical, but it does express some desire to
- 18:59Speaker 5: be so close to the person that you want to
- 19:01Speaker 5: incorporate them into. If you want to merge with them
- 19:04Speaker 5: with something like Dahmer, that becomes this very literal horror, And.
- 19:08Speaker 1: The horror only became worse when Dharma began experimenting with
- 19:13Speaker 1: his semi conscious victims.
- 19:16Speaker 2: He would drill holes in their skulls and put myriadic
- 19:19Speaker 2: acid inside to see if he could get them to
- 19:23Speaker 2: a zombie state so that he could keep them alive
- 19:27Speaker 2: and subservient to him.
- 19:30Speaker 8: It's essentially an amateur version of attempting to perform albactomy
- 19:35Speaker 8: or a lobotomy, but it would be an incredibly unpleasant
- 19:38Speaker 8: and damaging thing to do to someone's brain. If you
- 19:42Speaker 8: affect the frontal lobes, you will affect personality, potentially make
- 19:46Speaker 8: somebody docile. If he's less accurate, you could essentially cause
- 19:50Speaker 8: a stroke that could cause paralysis, speech problems. It really
- 19:54Speaker 8: very much depends on which part of the brain is
- 19:57Speaker 8: actually damaged.
- 19:59Speaker 2: But of course that didn't work, and his victims died
- 20:02Speaker 2: one after another.
- 20:04Speaker 7: Hearing about that.
- 20:08Speaker 2: Is the stuff of horror movies, and the fact that
- 20:11Speaker 2: it was happening in a city where we were known
- 20:15Speaker 2: for manufacturing and beer and a very good Midwestern work ethic,
- 20:22Speaker 2: tight families.
- 20:24Speaker 7: This isn't the kind of thing that happens here.
- 20:27Speaker 1: In May nineteen ninety one, thirty one year old Jeffrey
- 20:31Speaker 1: Dahmer was in his killing prime. He'd already murdered eleven
- 20:36Speaker 1: men and had begun collecting bones and skulls from his
- 20:39Speaker 1: victims and cannibalizing their organs. What would have been a
- 20:44Speaker 1: nightmare for most was a fantasy for him, and he
- 20:48Speaker 1: carefully went about his killings under the radar of the
- 20:51Speaker 1: police and the people of Milwaukee.
- 20:54Speaker 4: Jeffrey Dahmer had a job in a local chocolate factory,
- 20:57Speaker 4: and I think for him it enabled him to make
- 21:00Speaker 4: a facade of normality. He was just an average joe,
- 21:03Speaker 4: a regular guy who went to work every day.
- 21:06Speaker 2: I think he killed so many people without being quite
- 21:09Speaker 2: because of the fact that he looked like everyone else.
- 21:12Speaker 2: He did what successful serial killers do. He blended They
- 21:17Speaker 2: blend in with society. Now, he was a Caucasian male
- 21:21Speaker 2: living in in a predominantly African American neighborhood, but he
- 21:25Speaker 2: didn't talk to anybody bother anybody. He was barely someone
- 21:30Speaker 2: people noticed, barely noticed. He also was targeting people who
- 21:37Speaker 2: he found out might not be missed.
- 21:40Speaker 4: For most people, if they were to commit the type
- 21:43Speaker 4: of acts that Jeffrey Darmer did, they would no way
- 21:46Speaker 4: be able to function normally. But Jeffrey Darmer was not
- 21:49Speaker 4: most people. He hasn't got the same level of repulsion
- 21:53Speaker 4: and shock dead bodies or mutilated bodies that most of
- 21:57Speaker 4: us have. It was just another aspect of his life.
- 22:00Speaker 3: It was not known that we had a serial slayer
- 22:02Speaker 3: loose in our city. We did not know because he
- 22:04Speaker 3: was so cleverly disposing of the bodies. The families were
- 22:07Speaker 3: reporting the sons were missing, but the police were not
- 22:10Speaker 3: finding bodies. And not infrequently, young men, something happens in
- 22:13Speaker 3: their life, they just lead these up and leave town.
- 22:15Speaker 3: That happens enough that the police don't get worrid. If
- 22:18Speaker 3: it was a woman, they'll immediately commit resources to investigate,
- 22:20Speaker 3: but the young men they don't.
- 22:22Speaker 1: But on May the twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one, Dahma
- 22:26Speaker 1: came agonizingly close to capture after an encounter with a
- 22:30Speaker 1: fourteen year old boy.
- 22:32Speaker 2: Dahmer had taken Conrac synthism phone a young Asian male
- 22:38Speaker 2: who found attractive. He met him in the mall, offered
- 22:40Speaker 2: him money to go back to his apartment. He went,
- 22:44Speaker 2: and he began to work the ritual. Dahmer would drug
- 22:49Speaker 2: him and then he began the process of this crude lobotomy,
- 22:55Speaker 2: and he had drilled a hole in this young man's head.
- 22:59Speaker 2: He took a break, he ran out to get more beer.
- 23:02Speaker 2: While he was gone, Conorrac ran out of the apartment.
- 23:05Speaker 2: He was naked, he was completely dazed, and he was
- 23:09Speaker 2: running up the alley next to the Dahmer's apartment building.
- 23:12Speaker 7: A woman in another apartment building.
- 23:15Speaker 2: Saw him running up the alley and said, there's a
- 23:20Speaker 2: boy running up the alley.
- 23:21Speaker 7: Something's going on. And then these women.
- 23:24Speaker 5: Call the police, and then Dahmer appeared. And again this
- 23:27Speaker 5: is another remarkable characteristic of these psychopaths is that they
- 23:34Speaker 5: have an ability to maintain, you know, a kind of
- 23:37Speaker 5: coolness under the most extraordinarily high pressure circumstances.
- 23:45Speaker 7: So he walked up to the officers. Good evening, officers.
- 23:47Speaker 2: He's very polite, he's sober, and he said, this is
- 23:52Speaker 2: my boyfriend. He came to stay with me. We had
- 23:55Speaker 2: a little bit too much to drink and he ran
- 23:57Speaker 2: out of the house. Said how old is Dahmer said
- 24:01Speaker 2: he's nineteen, and the officers said, okay, well, just to
- 24:06Speaker 2: make sure, let's all walk back up to the apartment together.
- 24:11Speaker 5: The cops went and looked around. They even picked into
- 24:13Speaker 5: the bedroom where there was a decomposing corpse of one
- 24:16Speaker 5: of Dahmer's previous victims. But you know, they took such
- 24:19Speaker 5: a cursory look at it that they didn't even notice.
- 24:21Speaker 1: It, Assuming the couple were having a lover's tiff. The
- 24:25Speaker 1: two police officers left Knorak alone with Dahma in the
- 24:29Speaker 1: apartment building, and in the early hours of the morning,
- 24:32Speaker 1: he murdered the fourteen year old boy. An opportunity to
- 24:36Speaker 1: catch the killer had been missed.
- 24:38Speaker 4: I think that really speaks volumes about the attitudes of
- 24:42Speaker 4: the police at the time, in terms of ethnic minorities,
- 24:45Speaker 4: in terms of young people, in terms of the gay community,
- 24:48Speaker 4: and that was another victim that could potentially have been saved.
- 24:53Speaker 4: So there's this terrible thing going on behind closed doors
- 24:57Speaker 4: and people just aren't seeing it.
- 24:58Speaker 6: People aren't wanting to see it.
- 25:00Speaker 4: Even the police are not joining up the dots and
- 25:03Speaker 4: finding out what's really going on. So this is allowed
- 25:06Speaker 4: to just bubble away and get worse.
- 25:09Speaker 1: After evading capture, Dharma was free to continue.
- 25:13Speaker 4: There was two sides really to Dharma's pleasure that he
- 25:16Speaker 4: got from killing his victims. So he was a sadist
- 25:19Speaker 4: who enjoys the pain and suffering of other people. And
- 25:23Speaker 4: with sadis that that thrill ends when the victim dies.
- 25:26Speaker 4: But Dharma was also something of a necrophiliac who was
- 25:29Speaker 4: interested in having corpses around and doing things with those corpses,
- 25:34Speaker 4: and that means that the thrill starts with death. So
- 25:37Speaker 4: he has this continuous fulfillment going on, and he's always
- 25:40Speaker 4: fully in control.
- 25:42Speaker 6: And I think that's what's really at the root.
- 25:43Speaker 4: Of Jeffrey Darmer, its power and its control, and it's
- 25:47Speaker 4: the feeling that he has all this knowledge about what
- 25:49Speaker 4: he's done and nobody else quite knows what he's up to.
- 25:53Speaker 1: By July nineteen ninety one, Dama's desire to kill and
- 25:57Speaker 1: become insatiable. Sixteen days he emerged four more men, bringing
- 26:03Speaker 1: his total number of victims to seventeen. But Dahma's reign
- 26:08Speaker 1: of tellor was about to come to an end. On
- 26:11Speaker 1: July the twenty second, he met a man called Tracy Edwards.
- 26:15Speaker 2: While they were together in the apartment, Dahmer threw a
- 26:20Speaker 2: handcuff on him.
- 26:21Speaker 7: This was now the beginning of his ritual.
- 26:24Speaker 2: Dahmer had taken photographs of his victims in various stages
- 26:27Speaker 2: of dismemberment polaroids, and those were sitting on the dresser
- 26:32Speaker 2: inside the bedroom. They weren't sitting out in the main
- 26:35Speaker 2: living room, but there was some speculation that Tracy Edwards
- 26:38Speaker 2: had perhaps seen that, and he ran out of the
- 26:43Speaker 2: apartment in his underwear, ran down the street and when he.
- 26:47Speaker 7: Saw the police car.
- 26:49Speaker 2: Tracy Edwards has said his intention was just to get
- 26:52Speaker 2: the handcuff off, That's all he wanted. He stopped these
- 26:55Speaker 2: cops to say, hey, can just get this.
- 26:56Speaker 7: Off of me.
- 26:58Speaker 2: So he stopped and the officers start talking to him
- 27:01Speaker 2: about what he saw, and then they said, well we
- 27:04Speaker 2: should probably check this out. Let's all go back to
- 27:08Speaker 2: the apartment. Dahmer answered, and the minute he saw that
- 27:12Speaker 2: it was the police. He tried to shut the door
- 27:14Speaker 2: on them. The police pushed the door open a bit.
- 27:16Speaker 2: They started struggling with him, and then finally he just
- 27:21Speaker 2: gave him and that was when Dahmer was officially finished.
- 27:26Speaker 2: He was finished killing, and he knew that he was finished.
- 27:30Speaker 1: The police officers immediately arrested Dama after finding the remains
- 27:35Speaker 1: of some of his victims in his apartment.
- 27:37Speaker 3: They saw the body parts and then one of the
- 27:39Speaker 3: officers that he heard a scream. Then he realized later
- 27:41Speaker 3: he was the one who screamed when he saw the body,
- 27:43Speaker 3: so they knew they were dealing with a very serious offense.
- 27:46Speaker 3: Dahmer did not resist a little slight resistance, but Dahmer
- 27:48Speaker 3: was taken into custody and the investigation was initiated.
- 27:52Speaker 1: What followed was an incredible media circus on Dahma's doorstep,
- 27:56Speaker 1: as unbelievable stories about what was being uncovered inside these
- 28:00Speaker 1: apartments were revealed.
- 28:02Speaker 2: It was so fantastical that you think people are making
- 28:07Speaker 2: it up when they're telling you the details, but as
- 28:09Speaker 2: it turned out, they weren't making it up.
- 28:11Speaker 7: It was all of the.
- 28:13Speaker 2: Atrocities that we heard about that it happened in that apartment,
- 28:16Speaker 2: really did happen.
- 28:17Speaker 3: The medical examiner who was called to the scene didn't
- 28:20Speaker 3: know what was happening.
- 28:21Speaker 7: Was so strange.
- 28:21Speaker 3: There was a freezer, their bodies sparts in the freezer,
- 28:24Speaker 3: called in a hasmat crew. Well, our television stations cover
- 28:28Speaker 3: the police radio. When they hear that, they dispatch crews there.
- 28:31Speaker 3: The first day was local television, second day national television.
- 28:35Speaker 3: By the third day it was international television.
- 28:36Speaker 2: They were able to show video of these items coming
- 28:42Speaker 2: out of the front door of this apartment building. That's
- 28:44Speaker 2: not usual at a crime scene. Saw a large blue
- 28:47Speaker 2: barrel in which we know that Jeffrey Dahmer was trying
- 28:50Speaker 2: to dissolve body parts. It had a refrigerator that was
- 28:54Speaker 2: holding skulls and also it was holding body parts. So
- 28:59Speaker 2: these are coming down the stairs and people were just
- 29:03Speaker 2: incredulous to watch it. When I wrote the story for
- 29:07Speaker 2: the Milwaukee Journal that morning, and it was released in
- 29:11Speaker 2: the paper about eight o'clock, I think in the morning.
- 29:15Speaker 2: Normally we were an afternoon paper, but we went out
- 29:18Speaker 2: early with it because it was such an incredible story.
- 29:21Speaker 1: But no one quite knew the enormity of the crimes
- 29:24Speaker 1: until Dahma confessed to detectives at the local police station.
- 29:28Speaker 2: When I've spoken to the detectives that were working this case,
- 29:33Speaker 2: they have said, this was not a great who done it?
- 29:37Speaker 2: This would have better who done it if Jeffrey Dahmer
- 29:40Speaker 2: hadn't confessed to everything.
- 29:42Speaker 3: When Dahmer was arrested, there were already a number of
- 29:44Speaker 3: bodies in his quarters. He gave full confessions to the
- 29:47Speaker 3: police detailing his involvement in sixteen separate slayings. Most of
- 29:52Speaker 3: the time, he did not know the name of the victims.
- 29:55Speaker 2: When Dahmer remembered a crime that he might not have
- 29:59Speaker 2: shared with the detects dives, he would have the jail
- 30:02Speaker 2: call them, whether it was the middle of the night
- 30:04Speaker 2: or the middle of the day, and say I remembered
- 30:07Speaker 2: something else, Please come over.
- 30:09Speaker 7: Dahmer had said.
- 30:10Speaker 2: He wanted to make sure that he didn't forget anything
- 30:12Speaker 2: because he wanted those families to have closure. I'm not
- 30:16Speaker 2: sure about that. That maybe giving Jeffrey Dahmer more credit
- 30:21Speaker 2: than he is deserved, but he did claim to want
- 30:26Speaker 2: to try and remember so that all of those families
- 30:29Speaker 2: would have closure.
- 30:31Speaker 5: One of the interesting things about Dahmer that does differentiate
- 30:34Speaker 5: him from other killers of his breed is that he
- 30:37Speaker 5: did seem to be capable of a certain degree of
- 30:40Speaker 5: remorse and certainly recognize the extent of his depravity.
- 30:45Speaker 1: Although he confessed to killing sixteen people in the state
- 30:49Speaker 1: of Wisconsin, Damer was first charged with four counts of
- 30:53Speaker 1: murder on the twenty fifth of July nineteen ninety one,
- 30:56Speaker 1: and a further eleven counts were added in August. The
- 31:00Speaker 1: following month, investigators in Ohio found teeth and bone fragments
- 31:05Speaker 1: belonging to Stephen Hicks in the woods near Dama's family home.
- 31:09Speaker 1: A preliminary hearing was set for January nineteen ninety two.
- 31:14Speaker 1: His legal team were going to argue that the killings
- 31:16Speaker 1: were the work of a madman.
- 31:18Speaker 3: Years She wasn't going to be did he do it
- 31:20Speaker 3: or arty? Issue was going to be was he sane
- 31:22Speaker 3: or insane when he did it? And his hope was
- 31:24Speaker 3: that at least in even one of the cases, he
- 31:25Speaker 3: could induce the jury to believe that he was insane.
- 31:28Speaker 3: Under those circumstances, he would be sentenced not to a prison,
- 31:31Speaker 3: but to a metal health facility. People would say to me, Mike,
- 31:34Speaker 3: this guy killed sixteen people. He was drinking their blood,
- 31:37Speaker 3: eating parts of their body. He must have been crazy.
- 31:40Speaker 3: It sounds like he's crazy to say that, but that's
- 31:43Speaker 3: not what the insanity rule is.
- 31:44Speaker 1: The city wanted justice. They wanted to see the man
- 31:48Speaker 1: the press were calling the Milwaukee cannibal locked away in
- 31:52Speaker 1: prison for the horrific crimes he had committed. The trial
- 31:57Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Dahmer would be one of the biggest still
- 32:00Speaker 1: the history of not just Wisconsin, but the entire USA.
- 32:05Speaker 2: My reaction to it then was the same reaction I
- 32:08Speaker 2: think that everybody who lived in Milwaukee had when they
- 32:13Speaker 2: heard about the case.
- 32:14Speaker 7: No, it can't be. This is Milwaukee. Those kinds of
- 32:18Speaker 7: things don't happen here. This is the Midwest. This is
- 32:21Speaker 7: a very nice place.
- 32:24Speaker 1: The trial of Jeffrey Dahmer began on the thirtieth of
- 32:28Speaker 1: January nineteen ninety two and had a front row seat
- 32:32Speaker 1: the courtroom.
- 32:33Speaker 2: Was an odd spectacle because court TV was still new
- 32:39Speaker 2: in the game back then, and the idea that you
- 32:45Speaker 2: would come to court and you'd be on television was
- 32:48Speaker 2: still kind of new to people. That was the kind
- 32:52Speaker 2: of media attention to a trial that Milwaukee hadn't seen
- 32:56Speaker 2: in a very very long time, if ever can remember
- 33:00Speaker 2: so clearly the first time Jeffrey Dahmer's initial appearance in court,
- 33:04Speaker 2: when he walked in, I think the real fear that
- 33:08Speaker 2: people had when they first saw Jeffrey Dahmer was that
- 33:11Speaker 2: he looked like everybody else. He was a good looking
- 33:15Speaker 2: young man, and he is not the person that you
- 33:20Speaker 2: would look at and say, stay away from that guy.
- 33:23Speaker 1: It would be up to Milwaukee DA Mike McCann to
- 33:26Speaker 1: attempt to prove that Dama was saying and responsible for
- 33:30Speaker 1: his actions.
- 33:31Speaker 3: Yuelty wasn't going to be an issue, but we wanted
- 33:33Speaker 3: the jury to know enough about the facts and so
- 33:36Speaker 3: the defense to say, right, what really happened here, How
- 33:38Speaker 3: atrocit was it, how planned was it, how was he behaving?
- 33:41Speaker 3: What skills were involved? He couldn't control himself.
- 33:44Speaker 2: It was a lot to take in because the testimony
- 33:49Speaker 2: was so graphic. We all knew Mike McCann he was
- 33:54Speaker 2: a religious man, and we'd seen him in we've seen
- 33:58Speaker 2: him in court attorney that the kinds of things that
- 34:03Speaker 2: he was reciting out of the criminal complaint and the
- 34:06Speaker 2: confession were unheard of. These things were unheard of, and
- 34:11Speaker 2: they happened right here in our city.
- 34:14Speaker 9: He did it quietly.
- 34:16Speaker 3: He concealed the bodies, cleverly, concealed, destroyed the bodies, planned
- 34:19Speaker 3: it well, laid in the equipment, got the drugs that
- 34:22Speaker 3: he used, knowing that he worked or thought he was insane.
- 34:24Speaker 3: The way he conducted himself was in a way that
- 34:28Speaker 3: it seemed that he was sane, and that's what we
- 34:30Speaker 3: wanted to get across to the jury.
- 34:32Speaker 1: Mike employed the help of psychiatry experts doctor Philip Resnick.
- 34:37Speaker 9: The more bizarre the crimes, such as involving cannibalism, the
- 34:41Speaker 9: more the la public wants to think that guy had
- 34:44Speaker 9: to be out of his mind. But in looking at
- 34:47Speaker 9: it from the actual strict definition of insanity, generally, the
- 34:53Speaker 9: diseases of paraphilias like necrophilia, where someone has trouble controlling themselves,
- 35:00Speaker 9: are not viewed for the most part as diseases which
- 35:04Speaker 9: qualify for insanity because of the social implications. One of
- 35:10Speaker 9: the points that I made as a consultant is, even
- 35:13Speaker 9: if you have necrophilia, and even if you have trouble
- 35:18Speaker 9: controlling your impulse, the majority of necrophiliacs will select a
- 35:23Speaker 9: setting where they can accomplish this without homicide, so some
- 35:29Speaker 9: become assistance in morgues or assistance in pathology labs where
- 35:35Speaker 9: they may have access to dead victims. Others will actually
- 35:39Speaker 9: disinentear bodies after they're buried so that one does not
- 35:44Speaker 9: have to actually kill to exercise the necrophilia's impulse. And
- 35:50Speaker 9: that's one of the reasons I felt that he didn't
- 35:52Speaker 9: qualify for insanity.
- 35:54Speaker 1: The trial was essentially a debate between specialist psychiatrists about
- 35:59Speaker 1: the mental state of Dama, who sat watching the whole
- 36:02Speaker 1: thing play out over two weeks.
- 36:05Speaker 3: Namer was very common court when you talk of you
- 36:08Speaker 3: assessing a person by what you see. No one studying
- 36:10Speaker 3: him would believe he was insane. He was in kind,
- 36:13Speaker 3: he was watching what was going on. He wasn't reacting
- 36:15Speaker 3: in any negative way. He conducted himself in a very
- 36:19Speaker 3: rational way, a very proper way.
- 36:21Speaker 10: This was a case to tell the world that I
- 36:24Speaker 10: did what I did not for reasons of hate. I
- 36:27Speaker 10: hated no one I knew I was sick or evil
- 36:30Speaker 10: or both. Now I believe I was sick.
- 36:33Speaker 1: On February fifteenth, the jury had reached a verdict on
- 36:37Speaker 1: Dama's sanity.
- 36:38Speaker 9: Someone like Dahmer comes along who has never been in
- 36:41Speaker 9: a psychiatric hospital and alleges insanity juries are going to
- 36:47Speaker 9: be skeptical of it. And then when it's all in
- 36:50Speaker 9: the form of his sexual drive rather than a traditional
- 36:55Speaker 9: psychosis where someone's out of touch with reality and he's
- 36:59Speaker 9: taking careful st elpse to cover his tracks, it's very
- 37:02Speaker 9: difficult to succeed with insanity. With that type of case.
- 37:06Speaker 1: Jeffrey Damer was ruled to be sane by the jury.
- 37:10Speaker 1: On February seventeenth, nineteen ninety two. Judge Lawrence Graham sentenced
- 37:14Speaker 1: him to life imprisonment for each of the fifteen counts
- 37:17Speaker 1: against him.
- 37:18Speaker 2: When the verdict was announced in court, there was a
- 37:21Speaker 2: great shout from the gallery, especially from the victim's families,
- 37:27Speaker 2: that cried, I.
- 37:28Speaker 3: Was pleased in the sense happy. I'd not exuberant, but
- 37:31Speaker 3: happy that this danger was removed from our community, that
- 37:34Speaker 3: the jury had not been hoodwinked, that the jury realized
- 37:36Speaker 3: this chap was not insane.
- 37:38Speaker 1: The state of Wisconsin does not have the death penalty,
- 37:41Speaker 1: but Dama would have to serve a minimum of nine
- 37:44Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six years. He was immediately sent to
- 37:47Speaker 1: the Columbia Correctional Institute in Portage. Three months later, on
- 37:52Speaker 1: the first of May nineteen ninety two, in Ohio, Dama
- 37:56Speaker 1: was also found guilty of murdering Stephen Hicks in nineteen
- 37:59Speaker 1: six seventy eight, had given yet another life sentence.
- 38:03Speaker 2: Dahmer always said that he was compelled to kill, that
- 38:08Speaker 2: they were urges. He said, I had urges that I
- 38:10Speaker 2: could not control. He also said that even though he
- 38:15Speaker 2: was in prison he was relieved that the killing was done,
- 38:21Speaker 2: he still had the urges.
- 38:23Speaker 7: They didn't go away.
- 38:25Speaker 2: He was just in a place where he couldn't act
- 38:27Speaker 2: on them.
- 38:28Speaker 1: Locked away for the rest of his life, Dahma found
- 38:31Speaker 1: comfort in the Bible, and by nineteen ninety four he
- 38:35Speaker 1: decided to get baptized. The prison called on local minister
- 38:40Speaker 1: Roy Ratcliffe.
- 38:41Speaker 11: So I was quite surprised to be escorted to a
- 38:43Speaker 11: little room and left alone. And then Jeff Camp comes
- 38:48Speaker 11: to the room and he closed the door, and then
- 38:50Speaker 11: there's he and I sitting together across the table, and
- 38:54Speaker 11: I'm thinking for a moment, Wow, I'm in a room
- 38:56Speaker 11: with a man who was killed three people. So yeah,
- 38:58Speaker 11: that was a little bit discon but I was therefore
- 39:02Speaker 11: a purpose and for a reason. So I wanted to
- 39:03Speaker 11: find out what was going on and to see what
- 39:05Speaker 11: I could do to help. So my fears were set aside,
- 39:09Speaker 11: primarily because of my focus on what I was trying
- 39:11Speaker 11: to do. Jeff was a normal guy, curteous, very respectful
- 39:15Speaker 11: to me. When we shook hands, I noticed his hands
- 39:17Speaker 11: were really small. Looking at his hands and thinking, wow,
- 39:21Speaker 11: these are the hands that strangled people. These are the
- 39:23Speaker 11: hands that murdered people, These are the hands that dismembered people.
- 39:26Speaker 1: On May the tenth, nineteen ninety four, the same day
- 39:30Speaker 1: that notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy was executed, Jeffrey
- 39:35Speaker 1: Dama was baptized in a prison bathtub.
- 39:38Speaker 11: Then the door opened and I walked into the room
- 39:40Speaker 11: and jeff had already crawled into the tub, and the
- 39:43Speaker 11: only thing that was above the water was just simply
- 39:45Speaker 11: his head. And so I baptized you in the name
- 39:47Speaker 11: of the Father, Son of the Holy Spirit, for the
- 39:49Speaker 11: forgiveness your sins, and pushed his head down under and
- 39:52Speaker 11: then we came back up. I said something I often
- 39:54Speaker 11: say to people when I baptized him. I said, welcome
- 39:56Speaker 11: to the family of God. He said, well, thank you
- 39:58Speaker 11: very much.
- 40:00Speaker 1: Just six months after his baptism. On November the twenty eighth,
- 40:04Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, Dahmer and another convicted murderer, Jesse Anderson,
- 40:09Speaker 1: were attacked and killed by a fellow inmate.
- 40:13Speaker 7: Christopher Scarver.
- 40:14Speaker 2: Took a barbelle, went into the bathroom and beat both
- 40:19Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer and Jesse Anderson to death. There were a
- 40:22Speaker 2: number of people who felt that Jeffrey Dahmer got exactly
- 40:26Speaker 2: what he deserved. And I called his mother. She said, well,
- 40:29Speaker 2: now everybody got what they want. The monster is dead.
- 40:33Speaker 2: And then she said he was my son, He's my boy.
- 40:38Speaker 11: It was a terrible, terrible death in that sense there,
- 40:41Speaker 11: but for some people it was a relief. They were
- 40:43Speaker 11: glad because all they could think about all the crimes
- 40:44Speaker 11: they committed. They're not thinking about. Where I'm thinking about
- 40:47Speaker 11: is here's a person who's trying to serve God as
- 40:49Speaker 11: best as he can, and now his life is being
- 40:51Speaker 11: taken from is I.
- 40:53Speaker 5: Mean, some people see some sort of poetic symmetry in
- 40:56Speaker 5: the fact that Dahmer's first murder was the one in
- 41:00Speaker 5: which he bludgeoned the teenage hushaker Stephen Hicks to death
- 41:05Speaker 5: with a barbelle and that he himself died in a
- 41:08Speaker 5: very similar way.
- 41:11Speaker 1: The apartment on North twenty fifth Street that housed Dama's
- 41:15Speaker 1: macarb collection that victims remains and where twelve young men
- 41:19Speaker 1: lost their lives, was demolished in November nineteen ninety two,
- 41:24Speaker 1: but Dama's twisted legacy has been impossible to wipe out.
- 41:29Speaker 1: He has become one of the most infamous serial killers
- 41:32Speaker 1: in the world.
- 41:33Speaker 5: I think of Dahmer as sort of like the flip
- 41:36Speaker 5: side of somebody like Mozart. How do you account for
- 41:40Speaker 5: somebody creating that kind of music. Ultimately, how do you
- 41:43Speaker 5: account for somebody who is luring young men to his
- 41:47Speaker 5: apartment in drilling holes in their skull and injecting brains
- 41:50Speaker 5: with miuriatric acid to turn them into zombies. There's something
- 41:54Speaker 5: there ultimately inexplicable.
- 41:56Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer committed some of the most evil acts that
- 42:00Speaker 2: I have ever written about or heard about were seen
- 42:04Speaker 2: on a television show because they were real. I don't
- 42:08Speaker 2: know if he was sane or insane, because that's not
- 42:13Speaker 2: my training to figure that out, but I can absolutely
- 42:17Speaker 2: say that he did.
- 42:20Speaker 7: Some of the most evil acts known to man.
- 42:24Speaker 1: Dama's crimes would not feel out of place in a
- 42:27Speaker 1: perverse horror movie. He was a man who killed to
- 42:30Speaker 1: satisfy his unhealthy sexual perversions, keeping parts of his victims
- 42:35Speaker 1: skeletons as trophies, and eating their organs. Jeffrey Dahmer truly
- 42:41Speaker 1: is the stuff of nightmares and unquestionably one of the
- 42:45Speaker 1: world's most evil killers.