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Come Back To Love July 9, 2026 Suddenly Brave Together with Kari Morin · Come Back to Love:

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to come Back to Love with your host, Robin Vogel.
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  Speaker 1: Each week at this same time, come Back to Love
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  Speaker 1: covers an endless array of topics related to relationships, love
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  Speaker 1: and intimacy, along with all the reasons you may be
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  Speaker 1: keeping love at a distance. Can a shattered heart be
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  Speaker 1: your doorway to your greatest love story? Robin will give
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  Speaker 1: you practical tools that can be used to heal the
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  Speaker 1: past and help you to safely love again. And now
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  Speaker 1: Today's come back to Love.
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  Speaker 2: In a world that often feels disconnected, uncertain, and overwhelming,
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  Speaker 2: there has never been a more important time to come
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  Speaker 2: back to love. I'm Robin Vogel, psychotherapist, relationship expert, love
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  Speaker 2: an intimacy coach, and the author of come Back to Love,
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  Speaker 2: a Path to Healing. For over twenty years, I've been
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  Speaker 2: sitting with people in their most tender, courageous moments, the heartbreaks,
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  Speaker 2: the longing, the walls they've built around their hearts, and
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  Speaker 2: the quiet hope that real love is still possible. I
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  Speaker 2: created come Back to Love because I know what it
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  Speaker 2: feels like to be capable, successful, and still quietly wonder
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  Speaker 2: whether love is truly available to you. This work is
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  Speaker 2: deeply personal to me. I've walked this path myself, and
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  Speaker 2: for more than twenty years again have helped people reconnect
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  Speaker 2: with the parts of themselves they learn to protect. My
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  Speaker 2: mission is simple, to help you remember who you truly are,
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  Speaker 2: expand your capacity for love, intimacy and authentic connection, and
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  Speaker 2: create a life and relationship you genuinely love. Through immersive
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  Speaker 2: transformational experiences, I support spiritual seekers in reconnecting with their
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  Speaker 2: deepest truth and stepping into the lives they're meant to live.
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  Speaker 2: This show is a sanctuary, a place to heal the past,
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  Speaker 2: reconnect with yourself, and fall in love again with your life,
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  Speaker 2: with others, and most importantly, with yourself. And we are
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  Speaker 2: on Come Back to Love on KMET Radio station, your
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  Speaker 2: airs live in southern California on kme ET fourteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: AM and ninety eight point one FM. I'm so happy
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  Speaker 2: to be here again with you this week. Welcome back
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  Speaker 2: to my weekly listeners, and today I have a special guest,
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  Speaker 2: Carrie Morin. Carrie is a Master certified transformational Life and
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  Speaker 2: empowerment coach, retreat leader, and podcast hosts who helps women
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  Speaker 2: reimagine what's possible in their lives without burning themselves out
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  Speaker 2: in the process. Oh my goodness, that's amazing. She co
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  Speaker 2: hosts the podcast The Things We Know and leads women's retreats.
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  Speaker 2: Carrie is also a longtime caregiver to one of her
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  Speaker 2: three sons, who has an intellectual and medical disability, and
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  Speaker 2: that experience shapes much of her work. She's a contributing
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  Speaker 2: author to the upcoming book Suddenly Brave Together, a collection
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  Speaker 2: of letters from caregiving mothers written years after their own
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  Speaker 2: pivotal moment. Carrie lives in Portland, Oregon, with her husband
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  Speaker 2: of thirty years. And I am so happy to be
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  Speaker 2: here with you. We have several things in common that
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  Speaker 2: I am looking forward to talking of. And yeah, just
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  Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, So happy to be here. What beautiful, beautiful
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  Speaker 3: work you're doing.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to the words Suddenly Brave Together actually
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  Speaker 2: is what's on my mind. And I want to start
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  Speaker 2: out actually by saying I don't have a disabled child,
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  Speaker 2: but I do have a disabled sister, and probably different
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  Speaker 2: than what you're experiencing, but it is a very unique
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  Speaker 2: experience to.
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  Speaker 4: Have in life.
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  Speaker 2: I very rarely come across other people that have had
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  Speaker 2: the same experience that I have had, and it continues
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  Speaker 2: to impact me as an adult. And so, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if you want to just start by talking about
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  Speaker 2: Suddenly Brave Together, or like how that you know what
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  Speaker 2: in your life brings you to contribute to a book
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  Speaker 2: with such a beautiful title and already beautiful energy.
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  Speaker 5: H thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm really lucky that I found an organization called
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  Speaker 3: We Are Brave Together. It's a nonprofit organization started by
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  Speaker 3: a mother of a disabled son, you know, because it
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  Speaker 3: is such an isolating experience for parents and families. And
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  Speaker 3: so because I'm part of that and I help support
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  Speaker 3: a local chapter of caregiver Moms, I was asked to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, contribute some writing for it, and then I
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  Speaker 3: got selected, and I think thirty of us got selected.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I think the book ends up with
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  Speaker 5: twenty five letters.
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  Speaker 3: From moms, you know, decades later on what they've learned
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  Speaker 3: to those moms. And the reason it's called Suddenly Brave
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  Speaker 3: Together is because you are thrust into that. Most of
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  Speaker 3: those letters are written by women or you know, who
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  Speaker 3: got their child's diagnosis at the hospital. That didn't unfold
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  Speaker 3: that way for us, But a lot of scary and
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  Speaker 3: confusing things happened over time, which is its own kind
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  Speaker 3: of hard. Suddenly you got to really buck up in
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  Speaker 3: a you know, in new ways, at different levels kind
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  Speaker 3: of experience.
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  Speaker 5: And so I wrote about that in my chapter.
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  Speaker 3: And I love that you're a sibling because I talk
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  Speaker 3: a lot about my other sons and their experience and
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  Speaker 3: the impact and the growth and the gifts, you know
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  Speaker 3: that have unfolded for all of us, because it isn't
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  Speaker 3: just me and this child, it's all of us and.
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  Speaker 5: The traumas you have.
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  Speaker 3: In my son's case, it's a you know, refractory type
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  Speaker 3: of rare epilepsy, which is uncontrolled, multiple types of seizures.
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  Speaker 3: It's traumatic for anyone to witness the seizure or care
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  Speaker 3: for one in a different way than it is for
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  Speaker 3: my son, who doesn't remember them at all. Right, And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so I think that the idea of this book is
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  Speaker 3: that it is sharing the voices of women in their
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  Speaker 3: pivotal moments to let the other women going through it
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  Speaker 3: and parents going through it.
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  Speaker 5: No, they're not alone.
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  Speaker 4: Right righte?
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  Speaker 5: Wow?
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  Speaker 4: Wow, and so is your son who has this ability.
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  Speaker 4: I have a lot of trouble with the language. I know,
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  Speaker 4: I know, I don't really like it. It's so kind
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  Speaker 4: of thing.
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  Speaker 2: My sister was was, you know, identified in some way
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  Speaker 2: when she was a child, but we would never use
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  Speaker 2: that language now, nor does it even apply right oh?
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  Speaker 3: And and trust me, like there wasn't anything really obvious
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  Speaker 3: right away, And each time you're like.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, this, this is helpful.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when you don't have a specific diagnosis, you
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  Speaker 3: think you want one. You think you want one because
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  Speaker 3: then they'll be like a like, you know, instructions to
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  Speaker 3: follow in a path to follow. But even then everyone's
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  Speaker 3: situation is different. But when you don't and you get one,
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  Speaker 3: you're like, what that doesn't match him?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 5: So it is, and it is hard.
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  Speaker 3: Disabled really is a discounting kind of description. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure not everyone appreciates that because there's so many other
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  Speaker 3: abilities that they grow even bigger around it to compensate. So, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he has multiple disabilities. He has a medical disability, he
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  Speaker 3: has an intellectual disability.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, wow, my sister has an intellectual disability.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that would mostly categorize, but the same.
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  Speaker 4: And that's interesting to hear.
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  Speaker 2: It, to talk about it with you, because it was
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  Speaker 2: the same, It was the same, and it is the same.
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  Speaker 2: There is there's actually even now no diagnosis. There was
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  Speaker 2: something that happened at her birth and she didn't breathe
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  Speaker 2: right away and that impacted her, But there's no diagnosis
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  Speaker 2: written on a piece of paper like your sister has
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  Speaker 2: this and therefore, right, and then I could follow that
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  Speaker 2: Asian mental health person, I could follow that with some
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, conclusions definitions that are also like way
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  Speaker 2: too limiting anyway, right, Yeah, yeah, interesting, interesting. Well she's
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  Speaker 2: in her fifties now and doing amazingly.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm so happy to hear that. Is she living independently?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, she's so great.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she's amazing, amazing, amazing.
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  Speaker 2: She did lots and lots of things that when she
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  Speaker 2: was a child, nobody ever thought she would be able
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like, blow all of that out of the water, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, you know, And that's the thing my husband and
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  Speaker 5: I have said so many times.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, especially because my son is in the in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of three same gender siblings, so there's three boys.
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  Speaker 3: And so when your trajectory doesn't look like someone else's right,
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  Speaker 3: and someone sits across from you and says he'll never
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  Speaker 3: be able to do this, He'll never be able to do.
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  Speaker 5: This, like that can be really defeating. But what they
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  Speaker 5: don't see.
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  Speaker 3: Is like his his trajectory is still going up. It's
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  Speaker 3: just at a different pace in different ways. And and he,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he teaches us as much as we teach him,
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  Speaker 3: that's for sure.
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  Speaker 5: So it's really.
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  Speaker 3: Learning learning to look at it differently and like take
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  Speaker 3: that in, but also look at your child and let
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  Speaker 3: them lead as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm really loving this conversation because it was the
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  Speaker 2: same exact thing with my sister. You know, they said
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  Speaker 2: she wouldn't be able to do certain things, and exactly
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  Speaker 2: what you said. She's matured at her own pace, but
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  Speaker 2: absolutely is growing and developing and maturing and teaches me
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  Speaker 2: things all the time. And it it I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: bring in my comeback to love like mantra here because
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  Speaker 2: this piece around not defining and holding on to limiting
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  Speaker 2: beliefs and drawing conclusions. I can't ever do this or
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people say, well, this is going to
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  Speaker 2: happen because it happened like this in the past, and
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  Speaker 2: there's so much you know, sort of conviction around history
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  Speaker 2: predicting the few future. And you and I have also
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  Speaker 2: in the other in a different context, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: applicable to life, have experienced the opposite.
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  Speaker 4: Of that, right, completally, the opposite of that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's you know, and I actually there's a
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  Speaker 3: part of my chapter in the book, and there's there's
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  Speaker 3: other wonderful, my gosh letters in there that will just
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  Speaker 3: blow your hard white heart wide open. But where I
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  Speaker 3: talk about that, where my older son said it is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we it breaks our heart sometimes that like
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  Speaker 3: he missed, he missed mostly most of high school. He
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  Speaker 3: was there was a lot of medical things that started
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  Speaker 3: to happen once he hit puberty. He was able to
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  Speaker 3: get like K through eight, you know, in a in
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  Speaker 3: a setting that felt, you know, just like inclusive because
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  Speaker 3: it was a smaller school.
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  Speaker 5: But once puberty hit and high school hit.
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  Speaker 3: And we're not really sure why four months had something
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  Speaker 3: to do with it, because it's such a rare genetic mutation.
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  Speaker 3: We discovered that that in his case looks like a
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  Speaker 3: rare form of epilepsy, right, but he missed so much
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  Speaker 3: of high school and so we would have our hearts
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  Speaker 3: broken that you know, we just didn't have time to
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  Speaker 3: make friends and like connect with people.
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  Speaker 5: And he's such a social being.
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  Speaker 3: And my older son said, you know, to love him
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  Speaker 3: and be loved by him is such an extraordinary gift
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  Speaker 3: that like, you know, my friends are better for being
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  Speaker 3: friends with him too, And like what he brings to
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  Speaker 3: anyone who's lucky enough to know him is so dear,
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  Speaker 3: and he's very thoughtful and memorizes everyone's birthdays and reminds
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  Speaker 3: us like every day he texts the family likes it's
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  Speaker 3: our great aunt's birthday, you know, like he knows everyone's
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  Speaker 3: birthday and their favorite colors and all that, and it's
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  Speaker 3: just an extraordinary kind of love.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's beautiful and just again bringing a little overlay
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  Speaker 2: with the comeback to love this this pattern, I guess
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  Speaker 2: our behavior that some people experience, which is like staying
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  Speaker 2: away from things that are different or that they don't understand.
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  Speaker 5: And it's a.
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  Speaker 2: Huge detriment to do that. And whether you're in the
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  Speaker 2: dating world and you look at someone and you're like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going.
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  Speaker 4: Away, I'm moving away just based on what somebody looks like.
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  Speaker 2: Or you even you know, won't connect with people for
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  Speaker 2: any number of reasons that are just really really based
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  Speaker 2: in judgment. And I talk a lot to myself and
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  Speaker 2: to you know, my clients and workshop participants about you know,
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  Speaker 2: what would it be like to to move through a
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  Speaker 2: space where everybody in that space that you don't know
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  Speaker 2: yet is a potential connection friend, a friend, a lover,
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  Speaker 2: a relationship and a work acquaintance, like on any level, who.
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  Speaker 5: Knows right right, But to be.
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  Speaker 2: Open to receiving love in the in the ways that
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  Speaker 2: we don't expect love to be because it's not prescribed
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  Speaker 2: that way. It's not shown that way in the movies,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's not that romance novels, and it gets
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  Speaker 2: confusing and for the people that for people, I think,
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  Speaker 2: and for the people that have had the experiences like
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  Speaker 2: you've described your I love that your son, your older
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  Speaker 2: son like spoke those words.
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  Speaker 4: That is so heartwarming.
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  Speaker 2: But it really does open up to love, to love period,
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  Speaker 2: but also to love being in in different forms and
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  Speaker 2: not of any respect.
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  Speaker 5: I imagine your work does a lot on grief.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I.
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  Speaker 3: Listening to you It's just it's occurring to me that like,
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  Speaker 3: there's no that that's a thing throughout this book. There's
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  Speaker 3: no bypassing grief or you know, allowing yourself to grieve
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  Speaker 3: what you'd.
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  Speaker 5: Hoped for them.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yes, as like as long as as long as
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  Speaker 3: you don't live there and I and again I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying there's a time living on grief, come back to
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  Speaker 3: it as often as you need, but it is really truly.
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  Speaker 5: An opportunity to.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of I heard someone say recently, like we center
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  Speaker 3: romantic love too much, We center what's normal too much,
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  Speaker 3: And I like what we what we find typical in
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  Speaker 3: a lot of societies, probably not all, but is you know,
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  Speaker 3: you go to high school and you have this group
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  Speaker 3: of friends and then you meet someone, you fall in
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  Speaker 3: love and all this, and that's all great, but considering
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  Speaker 3: that normal it like or typical, makes people who aren't
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  Speaker 3: following that path feel off, you know. And the love
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  Speaker 3: and connection that Griffin has in any relationship he has,
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  Speaker 3: even with his caregivers who feel like friends, is so strong, right,
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  Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean he won't access romantic love.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure he will.
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  Speaker 3: He's he's got a desire to do that I'll make
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  Speaker 3: that happen. But I think that's what's really striking to
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  Speaker 3: me is there's so much more love available to you
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  Speaker 3: if you don't expect it to look a certain way,
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  Speaker 3: and there's so many there's so much like richness and
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  Speaker 3: relationships available to you if you don't expect it to
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  Speaker 3: look at certainly.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because in the expectations, really you're blocking right outside
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  Speaker 2: of that quote unquote normal you know. Yeah, So shout
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  Speaker 2: out to those that are listening that feel like they
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  Speaker 2: haven't been on the typical.
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  Speaker 4: Or the normal path.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what you know that means, but
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  Speaker 2: anyway defined by culture and or family, you know, culture,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, just to know that everything's right, exactly the
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  Speaker 2: way it is and exactly the way that it's happening.
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  Speaker 4: A really wonderful paradigm shift to embrace.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I'd love to hear about your retreats and that
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  Speaker 2: work with women.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Just because before we leave that topic, I will say
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  Speaker 3: we are Brave Together does offer retreats for caregiver moms
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  Speaker 3: at a at a really affordable price. So if anyone's
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  Speaker 3: listening who is identifies as a caregiver, get on their
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  Speaker 3: get on their website because you could find out about
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  Speaker 3: retreats all over and it is nice for me to
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  Speaker 3: go to one and see one, right, I have done that,
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  Speaker 3: but I do love the retreats Lisa and I, my partner,
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  Speaker 3: Lisa Callahan and I put on twice a year. It
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  Speaker 3: was a kind of a vision we had when we
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  Speaker 3: were working together as coaches for an online education company,
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  Speaker 3: and the more and more we were working with those
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  Speaker 3: students with our own clients, talking to our peers. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we were in our early fifties at the time. We're
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  Speaker 3: on the later end of fifties now. We were like, god,
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  Speaker 3: it's so it's so you know, prevalent. It's so common
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  Speaker 3: for women to have one of two and probably more
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  Speaker 3: than two. But what we were running into is one,
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  Speaker 3: you know, two pretty typical attitudes about you know, empty
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  Speaker 3: nesting and getting older, you know, towards retirement. You know,
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  Speaker 3: getting into this age where they weren't you know, actively
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  Speaker 3: raising kids, or if they didn't have kids even then,
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  Speaker 3: they were just kind of feeling like, either it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be super fun, but I can't find anyone to
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  Speaker 3: go do that with me. Everyone's too busy, or I
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  Speaker 3: just kind of got a you know, it's all downhill
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  Speaker 3: from here, and I just kind of got to deal
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  Speaker 3: with it, whether it's you know, menopause symptoms or you know,
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  Speaker 3: not knowing what to do with myself with my kids gone,
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  Speaker 3: or not knowing what to do because I got laid off,
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  Speaker 3: or wasn't expecting this divorce, like a lot of just
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  Speaker 3: I guess this is it now, right, A lot of
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  Speaker 3: complacency or kind of giving up. We were like, it
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  Speaker 3: could be so great and we do need to actually
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  Speaker 3: make it happen. I think a lot of people, including me,
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  Speaker 3: assumed when our kids were older, we'd have a lot
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  Speaker 3: more time for each other, and it's just not happening.
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm getting together with friends tonight and it's taking
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  Speaker 3: us two months to like get a table on the calendar.
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  Speaker 4: I hear you, my god, So it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's bizarre because, like I mean, I have kids at home,
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  Speaker 3: mainly because Griffin's going to be with us for a
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: while until we get seizure control, and my other two
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: happen to be home this summer, but in general most
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: people don't. And still it's hard, so putting something on
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: the calendar inviting people to commit to a dynamic, you know,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: weekend with other women and the themes, I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean the theme of all retreats.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: We call them best chapter yet, And that means different
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: things to different people. Right, how are you going to
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: make whatever chapter you're in your best chapter yet? And
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: we start, I think what makes our retreats powerful because
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: it's such a short time, right to invest in a
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: weekend and you're like, I come on and we arrive
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: on a Friday and we leave on a Sunday. We start,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of doing some work with people ahead
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: of time, and then we meet on zoom. Not ideal,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: but at least it's something where people are connecting. And
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: so by the time they come in to that first
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: meet and greet, they're already looking for each other and
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: they've already found like, wow, I didn't realize someone else
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: had that going on too, or this is so exciting,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: or oh, I'm thinking of going to grad school now too,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: you know that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 5: So I love the retreats for that reason.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: It is such a it's such a beautiful way for
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: women to come together and you decide that you want
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  Speaker 3: something more for yourself. The way you're really going to
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  Speaker 3: make it happen is by making a decision to show
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  Speaker 3: up and be waitessed, right, Because you can decide that,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: like any of us, be inspired by something and then
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  Speaker 3: get distracted if you actually invest the time and show
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  Speaker 3: up and say, I want more for myself or this
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  Speaker 3: is what I'm envisioning, and you have a bunch of
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: women looking back at you, going you can have that,
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  Speaker 3: and here's how we're going to work through this weekend
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  Speaker 3: helping you mount that out.
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  Speaker 5: It really tends to happen.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: And for some it's happened over the course of several retreats,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: and for others it was like, that's what I needed,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: was just that confirmation and confidence to move away for
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: a year and try something else, and you know, things
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: like that have unfolded and it's just been really exciting.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: And I think we're good at it. I think we
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: hold space really well. And I think having a retreat
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: partner where one of us will be leading at a
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: time and the other one's really, you know, kind of
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: feeling what the group needs and so we guide each
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: other that way, I think is what makes it pretty powerful.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: But also it's just the quality of the women we
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: attract and what they bring to each other, which is
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: just always amazing, beautiful.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: So it makes me feel curious about wanting to hear
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: like maybe think of one person that you're or some
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: group of people, but just like, what is typical for
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: a woman to come in with. I did hear something
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: about burnout when I was reading.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Scio to Yeah, so okay, so let me think there's one.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Oh gosh, there's so many.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: But when I think of burnout, I think of like
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: one of our youngest people to attend was in her
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: late twenties and left her toddler for the first time ever,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: and she was definitely on the verge of burnout, trying
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: to figure out work and you know, working from home,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: partly working outside of the house, managing all that, feeling
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: guilty and even feeling guilty leaving and really thought she
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: you know, she really wanted to come because she had
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: worked with me, but she was also just really not
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: sure it was going to be the right fit for her.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: And what was great she showed up and what she
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: heard was a lot of stories that helped her feel
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: less alone, you know, that people could relate to from
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: their own journey. She also got a lot of like wow,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the fact that you're even looking at something like this
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: for yourself at that age is so profound, Like you
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: really are figuring it out way sooner than the rest
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: of us did.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: So she's come to everyone since or maybe maybe she
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: missed one, and watching like what's unfolded for her each
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: time and is it's like, I don't want to say
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: she's a different person. She's always been phenomenal, but watching
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: her know that she that she has really created a
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: path for herself that feels really good and it doesn't
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: feel like compromise, is really exciting. I have another friend
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: of mine who came and you know, was at that
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: empty nesting place in her life and wasn't sure what
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: she wanted to do. She had actually written two books.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: She's a nurse, a hospice nurse, and she we did
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: this exercise. It's a it's an NLP exercise called belief
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: chain or experience chain, depending.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: On who calls it what.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: But it really was like mapping out kind of where
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: she wanted to be in her life and how she
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: was going to feel and what that like, what she
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: was going to be believing about herself as she stepped
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: into that, and then also just doing a lot of
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: like identifying the parts of her life that really were
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: important to her. She came out of that and committed
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: to like move across the country for a year, live
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: near her older children, and go to grad school and
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: get a master's degree and like that. I really don't
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: know if I would have done that if I hadn't
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: had like women around me going of course you can,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: and just taking the time to work through something that's
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: like an inkling and really make it, you know, become
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: a vision that you can see yourself stepping into. And
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: those are just two I could probably come up with
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: so many more.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Wow, well, those are two great examples of really giving
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: yourself the space to come back to what's true for you.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we're running at ninety miles an hour.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Not everybody, but a lot of us. And so a retreats.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I'm a big fan. I lead, you know, my own
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: two day and seven day retreats every year a couple
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: of times for the last many many years. Now, big fan,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: because it gives people a space to to take a
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: breath and pause. And your examples are so good because
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: it sounds like they just had spaciousness to drop into
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: their own hearts to identify something that's really true and authentic,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: but then also to have the space to start to
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: plan the actual transition and transformation outside of the retreat,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: which is really the.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Most important piece, right Yeah, living in Wow beautiful, that's amazing.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean you too. I'm glad you're doing retreats.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean too, thank you.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I have a weekend in September in
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: western Massachusetts and the Berkshires, and then I have Costa Rica,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: which is my annual, one of my annuals because I
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: just love Costa Rica, And that's in December.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: What about for you, Well, we.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: May be the same weekend in September.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: We tend to do a fall they've so far been
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: in Chicago this year. We're doing in Portland where I live,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: which I'm excited about. And it's September eighteenth to twentieth
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: this year and we haven't totally filled it, but it's close.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: And then we in the winter. We like because a
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: lot of our people who come to the Chicago Retreat
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: or Midwest or East Coast, we like to do someplace
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: warm in the winter slash spring. So we've done Laguna
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Beach California. We've done Palm Springs, Arizona, and right now
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: we're zeroing it on where that's going to be next,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: probably April.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Awesome, awesome, awesome.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, I've I've been pulled to Sedona, which I have
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: not let a retreat there yet that it's.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Could be next. Toadona one of my favorite places.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, the energy is there.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I mean it's the same thing with Costa Rica in
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a way, like the land and the the water, the ocean,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the land, the rainforest, the mountains, like it all contributes
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: to the transformation that happens, like it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Really it does. It is it is a very.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: That that is a grounding place. Whether you believe in
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: that stuff or not, you will feel better being there exactly.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Just drink the water and you have a transformation, right right. Yeah, Kerriie,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here. It's been so
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: much fun for me actually to talk with you, having
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: just so many overlaps in different places in life, but
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: some common experience.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know what your mothering.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Experience is like, of course at all, but I can
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: kind of imagine some of it just given.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: How it was how hard it was my dad and.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, It is a.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: It is a blessing in a lot of ways, to
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: to just have the opportunity to have, you know, be
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: part of a family. And it's always you know, it's
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: always just it's beautiful work, right the family I was
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: born into, In the family I'm creating, and I never
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: feel like their mind, but I feel really lucky to
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: be part of their their journey.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's another bit of wisdom there. So just
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: before we end, where can people find you?
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Well, Carriemorean dot com is kind of how I simplified
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: it because I went from doing a lot of health
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: coaching in the past and more life coaching. I do
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: a little bit of both still, but you know, mostly
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I'm doing the life and empowerment coaching. So I just
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: simplified it. Carriemorean dot com is an easy place to
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: find me.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Also the thing hey.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Ar I we have to say that, yes, yes, hey
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: A R I M O, R I N. And then
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: also the Things We Know podcast it's wherever you listen
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: to podcasts. I think there's a little something for everyone.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: You know, some of them are really fun. In light
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: we love to feature a lot of people like you,
• 27:04
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• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you, same same well. I'm
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