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Jeff Schreve: Fake News, The Father Of Lies & ‘The Devil’s Newsroom’ · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  Friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for tuning in.
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  Another great guest here to introduce you to in another excellent book to tell you about.
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  First of all, it's called the Devil's Newsroom.
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  It's by Pastor and author Jeff Shrieve.
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  And we're just excited to talk about the book, the topics in here.
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  He is the pastor of First Baptist Church, Texarkana.
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  And he's got a ministry degree, he's got several ministry degrees.
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  He's been at this for many, many years and he's got a podcast with his wife, his main
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  website from hisheart.org.
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  There it is, from hisheart.org.
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  Jeff Shrieve, welcome to World View Matters, good to see you brother.
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  Hey, thanks David, I appreciate you having me on.
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  Well, thank you for your time and for writing a great book, the title, very provocative,
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  drew me in right away, because man, the father of lies and the fake news today is off the charts.
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  In every aspect of our culture, not just the media, government, public schools, Hollywood,
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  oh my goodness, is there any part of culture where the fake news and the lies haven't been
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  really kind of headlining?
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  What do you think about that in all of our culture?
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  We're just swimming in lies.
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  So David, the premise of the book is because the devil is not just a liar among liars, he's
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  the father of lies, Jesus said that in John 844.
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  So every lie is going to trace back to him, because Jesus said there is no truth in
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  him.
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  Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he's a liar and the father
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  of lies.
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  And so in the devil's newsroom, we want to expose this one known as the devil, how he
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  became the devil and how he works to deceive, to keep people from heaven and then to deceive
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  Christians from enjoying the abundant life that the Lord promised for us to have.
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  So the book website, friends, you can go directly to it.
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  It's called thedevilsnewsroom.com, thedevilsnewsroom.com.
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  So Jeff, did I, I think I saw somewhere, do you do a podcast with your wife at from his
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  heart?
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  Well, I'm on the radio with the American Family Radio every, every weekday morning
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  from 8.05 to 9 a.m. central time.
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  She's on there sometimes with me, but daily radio is, it's very daily.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  You got to give me on your toes and keep up with that.
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  By the way, I love, love, love American Family Association.
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  I love AFA, the work that they've done over the years, the Tim and Don Wildman and so praise
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  God.
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  It's a great opportunity to be there.
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  So congrats on that.
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  It's a great platform and great organization.
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  So I think the question is, are the answers quite obvious, but because of all that's going
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  on in our culture, in America, but also kind of in the church with the lies, the quote,
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  fake news, false teachings, that's, is there anything other than those things that led
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  you to write this book at this time?
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  Well, you know, the impetus for this book came about many years ago when Donald Trump
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  was running for president and he, the first time, and he kind of made famous the little
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  phrase fake news, your fake news, you know, called out different news organizations.
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  And so I preached a series of messages called fake news exposing the lies of the devil.
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  And so that was, I think in 2013.
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  And so we, we kind of took some of that and, and expounded upon it and, and massaged
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  it some.
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  And we didn't want to use the term fake news in the book title as far as the main title.
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  So one of the girls in our office came up with the devil's newsroom and really exposing,
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  you know, we're trying to shine the light on the devil's lies.
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  So that, that Christians will be able to discern, hey, what, what is the truth here?
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  And how do I, how do I keep my senses as the Bible says in Hebrews 514?
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  My sense is trained to discern good and evil, very critical in the days in which we live.
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  Yes, that's good.
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  And by the way, friends, you know, God bless president Trump for calling out the lies,
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  the hypocrisy, the bias, the corruption in the mainstream progressive liberal media.
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  I, that's what started me writing and getting into this kind of work years and years ago.
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  I couldn't believe what the media was getting away with and the fact that too many Americans
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  were believing it and falling for it.
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  And the church, we're just, we're human, we're Bible-believing Christians, we're human.
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  We get affected by the lies also.
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  Let's go back to one of the original lies.
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  Did God really say, that doesn't, Jeff, doesn't a lot of it kind of, isn't a lot of
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  it spun from that original lie of the enemy?
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  Yeah, so the enemy is, as I said, he's not just a liar, he's the father of lies and the master liar.
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  And so when you analyze Genesis 3 and his interaction with Eve, we know that's the devil
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  because it tells us in Revelation 12, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan.
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  David, sometimes we have skeptics that'll say, well, you Christians believe in talking snakes.
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  Well, I believe in a talking devil and that was who came to Eve and he got her all twisted
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  and he, if you look at how he does it, he does it in an economy of words.
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  He doesn't say a lot to her that's recorded in Scripture.
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  There may have been more that's not recorded there.
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  But he takes the first thing out of his mouth.
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  He takes the word of God and twists it and adds a question mark and gets Eve to start questioning
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  the goodness of God, the character of God, can God really be trusted?
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  And then from there, once she kind of starts falling in line with his line of questioning,
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  then he starts to deny the word and then he twists it to say, you eat of this fruit and
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  guess what?
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  You're not going to die, which is a blatant lie, but you'll be like God knowing good
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  and evil.
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  And David, the thing that is so terrible about that is God wants us to be like him.
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  First John 3 says that when he appears, we shall be like him for we shall see him as
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  he is.
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  But the devil wanted Eve to not depend upon God, be independent of God, eat of this fruit
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  and you can be your own God and you won't need God.
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  And that's really the heart of sin when we're tempted to sin.
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  It's because we want to be our own God, we want to be our own boss, call our own shots.
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  And that's really at the heart of every sin.
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  Amen, brother.
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  Good explanation.
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  By the way, I want to mention the four word was written by U.S. Ambassador to Israel,
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  Governor Mike Huckabee, author, pastor, he's a former governor of Arkansas.
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  And he said, Jeff Shrieve is one of the most gifted biblical communicators in America.
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  How did you connect with Mike Huckabee?
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  So Mike used to pastor before he went into politics.
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  He used to pastor here in Texarkana, he was on the Arkansas side, I'm on the Texas side.
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  So he's had a connection to Texarkana and comes back periodically.
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  A lot of people in our church are friends with him.
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  And so Mike's been to first Baptist Texarkana, he's preached for me before and we've just
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  developed a good friendship.
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  He was very kind and gracious to write that very nice forward.
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  Yes, yes, what a blessing.
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  Also, we just want to mention some of the endorsements before we dive into the meat of the book
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  a little bit more.
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  Kurt Cameron, Jeff Kinley, who we've had on the podcast, Bishop E.W. Jackson, Jackson,
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  we've had on the podcast, Alex McFarlane, we've had, it's just blessing.
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  This great men of God endorsing the book.
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  So let's get back to how Satan is using the misinformation crisis to spread lies as part
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  of his agenda.
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  Well, he, you know, he'll play off of things.
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  One of the chapters in the book, David, is I call it spinning your circumstances and
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  the devil loves to take negative circumstances that hit your life, that hit my life.
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  It's just part of the deal here in a fallen world.
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  But he takes those to try and give us misinformation, disinformation, blatant lies.
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  God's not good.
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  God can't be trusted.
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  God doesn't love you.
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  Your prayers don't go anywhere.
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  Things aren't ever going to get better, you know, all that kind of stuff.
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  And sadly, so many buy into that lie.
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  And one of the things I mentioned in the book, and I think this is just something that I learned
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  over the years, the reason why the devil's lies are so easily swallowed is because they
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  tend to always match up with our feelings.
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  And when we sin terribly, when the bottom drops out of our lives, when we get the phone
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  call that says you have cancer or your loved one has been in a serious accident or you get
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  a pink slip at work, whatever it might be, you can feel very abandoned.
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  You can feel like God has, you know, left you in the dust and the devil, he emphasizes
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  that and says, that's right.
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  God doesn't care about you, God doesn't love you, see your circumstances, and he's constantly
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  trying to get us to take our eyes off Jesus and onto the circumstances, kind of like what
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  Peter did when he was walking on water.
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  He was doing well until it says seeing the wind, he became afraid and beginning to sink
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  he cried out, Lord, save me.
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  So if we get our eyes off Jesus and put our eyes on our circumstances, we're dead meat.
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  And his lies will come in like a flood and they will sound so true and so real.
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  Just like David with Goliath, I mean, you can't, it's all told him, you can't fight him,
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  you're a youth and he's been a warrior since he was a kid, you know, everything from the
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  physical, from the natural says no, but we're to walk by faith and not by sight.
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  I love the example you gave of Peter and how in our lives there is so much more than
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  just a storm and waves of water that vie for our attention and distract us and get our
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  eyes off of Christ, especially with all the technology today.
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  Do you touch on that as well, Jeff, as some of those things that, you know, because it
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  can take you down a road that's not going to help your walk with Christ?
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  Yeah, the book that we don't really go into that in the book, but that is a, that's a real
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  problem. The distractions in the Christian life are probably out in all time high.
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  I'm 63 years old, David, and you know, when I was growing up as a kid, we had like three major
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  channels and two UHF channels and we played outside a lot and there, you know, I mean, the biggest
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  video game was pong or pinball, you know. So the distractions that kids have today and the
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  opportunity for them to get into major league trouble before they're even 15 years old is just
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  astronomical. And so parents need to be vigilant. What's going on with their kids and need to be
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  praying and praying hedges of protection around their kids just as Joe prayed about his kids.
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  But that the book doesn't talk as much about that. Well, you know, we're dating ourselves,
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  but I remember Pac-Man and actually played that and other things. That was a while back. And when
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  there were actually arcades, but so Jeff, what is it that make the devil's lies so believable?
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  Is it the fact that maybe there's a little bit of truth or something that sounds good?
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  Yes. Yeah, the devil. So that there's a there's a rule in aviation, David, that says it's called
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  the one in 60 rule and it says for every one degree you're off your flight plan as you travel 60 miles,
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  you'll be a mile off course. And so one degree is not a whole lot. And so the devil really
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  specializes in that one degree off. So he'll give things. I think it was Charles Spurgeon that says
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  that the the challenge is not between good and evil. It's between what is right and what is
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  almost right. And so we have to be discerning because what he'll tell us will sound good.
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  It seems plausible. For instance, I have a chapter in the book about the world's most believed lie.
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  And the world's most believed lie is that good works somehow fit into our salvation. And you know,
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  in whole or in part either yet saved completely by good works or it's Jesus plus your good works
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  that get you to heaven. And the Bible's very clear. It has nothing to do with works. It has to do
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  with what he did on the cross. Now good works are a result of salvation, but they're not the
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  product of salvation. They don't produce salvation. We're going to take a brief pause here, Jeff,
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  but I want you to repeat what you just shared about. I love that Spurgeon quote right or almost
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  right. And could you repeat that about the pilots, the aviators one out of six. Could you repeat
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  that again? I think that's very profound and very applicable. Yeah. So the one in 60 rule. So for
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  every one degree that you're off your flight plan, traveling 60 miles, you're going to be a mile
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  of course. So if you go across the country, you know, from JFK to LAX and you're one degree off,
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  that's a difference between landing at the airport or landing in the ocean. It makes a big
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  difference. Wow. That's huge. And I'm thinking about applying that, you know, when you apply it to
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  the Christian life and in the word of God, if we're off the word of God and we're just just one
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  degree, oh my goodness, it can take us in a completely different direction. Got to take a brief pause.
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  We're with author and pastor Jeff Shrieve. The book is called The Devils Newsroom. We'll be right
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  So Jeff, I love for you to elaborate on something I read. I believe it was on inside the book.
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  Or in the description anywhere, the back cover perhaps. These lies are as old as time.
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  And yet how readily we still believe them to this day, believing the lies of Satan leads to a life
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  of defeat and despair, but it doesn't have to be this way. And one of the lies is lies. God isn't
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  really good. So elaborate on that a little bit more for us.
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  Yeah. So that's in my chapter, liar, liar, where I talk about Genesis 3. You know, the
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  question that the serpent, the devil poses to Eve, indeed, has God said, you shall not eat from
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  any tree of the garden. Question mark. The devil is coming at her from the standpoint of saying,
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  it doesn't make sense that God would make all these fruit trees and then tell you, uh, uh,
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  you can't eat from every tree of the garden. And the reality is God didn't say that. He said,
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  from any tree of the garden, you may freely eat, but there's one tree that you can't eat from
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  from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Uh, if you eat of that tree in the day, you eat
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  of it, you will surely die. So he paints God in a negative light that God would make all this and
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  then say, you know, it's almost like a putting a carrot on a stick and say, oh, you can't have that.
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  But God said, hey, I made this for you. I want you to enjoy yourself, but there's one tree you
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  can't eat from. So it's very subtle how the devil lies. And that's why it says that the serpent
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  was more crafty than any beast of the field, which the Lord God had made. He's always going to come
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  very subtly. He doesn't hit us head on with, hey, here's a big lie. Get ready. Uh, it's always
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  going to sound good. It's always going to make us question. Uh, and then once you start questioning
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  the goodness of God, the word of God, the character and nature of God, he's got you on a path where he
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  can twist you around like a pretzel. I mentioned this to somebody the other day, David. Uh, you know,
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  the devil is such a good liar that he can make you think that up is down and right is wrong and black
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  is white and a woman is a man and a man is a woman. And that's that's the world we're living in today.
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  People actually argue that a biological male can be a female and vice versa. It's just ludicrous.
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  Well, that was my next question. Thank you for setting that up, Pastor Jeff. Because I was thinking
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  about that. I'm thinking, well, this is one of the illogical conclusions that you, here's how do
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  you respond to this? How could God allow you to be born in the wrong body? Because some people
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  really believe that. And the question I wanted to ask was these cultural movements and deceptions
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  like gender, neutrality and fluidity, they so confusion and they cause people to doubt or even
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  resent God, but they're based on lies, right? Right. Right. It's a total lie. And so once you start
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  down that road, there's no off ramp. It's like, well, you know, I say this a lot, David. So the fear
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  of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. It's the beginning of knowledge. The Bible tells us that
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  the fear of the Lord is like the first button in your button down shirt. If you get that wrong,
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  I don't care how else you do the rest of the shirt. It's off because you miss the first button hole.
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  And so the fear of the Lord is understanding that God is God and you're not God. You give him
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  his rightful place as king and you take your rightful places, do us as servant. And then when
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  then the world makes sense because, okay, God, this is how you set it up. This is what you said.
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  You are good. You love me. The cross proves that you love me. And I can trust you even when I
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  don't understand what you're doing because you understand it. And if you get that off and you
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  start to question God in how He did things and how He created you and then you're just barking
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  up a tree that's going to lead to misery. So you mentioned, we talked about Genesis, which if we
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  get that foundation wrong, the book of Genesis, let them, Genesis 1 through 11 in particular,
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  the whole thing. It's like the airline analogy again, you're way off if you get Genesis wrong
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  and creation wrong. But you talked about the serpent from the book of Genesis, but what can we
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  learn about it from the book of Ezekiel? Yeah. So when people read the Bible, they typically start in
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  Genesis. It's the beginning of the book. And so it goes pretty well until you hit Genesis 4 and 5
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  and it's a bunch of Hebrew names and it sounds like a Hebrew telephone directory and they get bogged
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  down. But you know, we are introduced to the serpent, this creature that comes on the scene in
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  Genesis 3. It's like, well, where did he come from? When did God make this devil? Well, God didn't.
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  And you have to go into Ezekiel, the two passages in the Old Testament, Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14
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  that give us the backstory, how the serpent became the serpent and how the devil became the devil.
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  God didn't create a devil. He created a beautiful creature, an angelic being named Lucifer,
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  that name means light bearer. And that one was the leader of the angelic host and the greatest of
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  all the angels, but he couldn't handle being the greatest of all the angels. That wasn't enough for
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  him. And so I have a chapter in the book of how he became the false, you know, false newscaster,
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  the original, the OG of lies. And it was because he rebelled against God and he said, well, I will,
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  I will be like the most high God and I'm going to overthrow God. And I tell you, David, he's such a,
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  such a prolific and persuasive liar that he got a third of the angels to go with him in the
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  rebellion. And so they all became demons. The good news is there are two thirds more holy angels
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  than demonic spirits. But that is how the devil became the devil and Lucifer, the son of the
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  morning became Satan the father of the night. That's really amazing. If you look at the world
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  today in America, to think that only there's only a third of the angels that became demons that
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  are having this, this, I guess, impact is really astounding to me. But you know, this is kind of
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  go ahead. We don't know how many angels there are. So even a third could be a huge amount.
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  Yeah, that's true. Okay, I don't want to get off topic. I'm going to get right back to the
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  book. I think you alluded to chapter three already. The world's most believed lie. Did you
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  share what that was or were you talking about something else in the chapter? Yeah, no. What that
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  is is believing, you know, the Philippian jailer asked the question of Paul and Silas,
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  sirs, what must I do to be saved? Right. And so we have in our minds that if I'm going to be,
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  if I'm going to get to heaven, it's because of something that I do. And so works are just kind of
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  baked into our mindset. And really when you boil it down, every religion outside of Christianity,
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  biblical Christianity, every religion is spelled D-O. What must I do? I have to pray. I have to
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  fast. I have to go to church. I have to give money. What do I have to do? And Christianity is the
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  only one spelled done D-O-N-E. It's already done. All you do is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,
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  turn from sin and self and believe on Jesus. He did it all. I don't do anything. I just trust him
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  to save me. It's kind of like I'm man drowning in the ocean. What did you do to be saved?
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  I didn't do anything. The rescue team came and I lifted up my hand to say I'm here and they
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  rescued me. That's all the Lord does for me. I mean, that's all we do. We don't contribute
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  anything to our salvation. He saves us. We just have to cry out, Jesus, son of David, have mercy
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  on me. Yes. And as believers in Christ, who people that listen to you, people that watch our
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  podcast, you know, we have, we are messengers of reconciliation. We are ambassadors for Christ.
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  It's not up to us to get people saved, but it is up to us to speak and share the gospel so that
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  they can make a decision, right? Share a little bit more about maybe the church and the believers'
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  responsibility to continue to share, no matter what, speak the truth because there are so many
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  lies out there that seem to be prevailing in our culture today.
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  Yes. So that's, you know, we're commanded in Scripture, Ephesians chapter four,
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  we're to speak the truth in love and to grow up into all aspects into him who's the head even
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  Christ. So it's incumbent upon Christians to grow in our knowledge of the Lord. It says in Hebrews
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  5, 14, solid food is for the mature who because of practice have their senses trained to discern
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  good and evil. And so when you are born again, just like in the physical, you're born a little baby,
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  you're born a spiritual infant, you long for the pure milk of the word that you may grow
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  with respect to salvation. And then we hopefully get off the milk and then we're on to the meat
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  of the word and we can feed ourselves and we can have our senses trained to discern good and evil.
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  But if we don't have that David, then as Ephesians says, we're like children tossed here and there
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  by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine by the trickery of man by craftiness and
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  deceitful scheming. And so I think I think that's the way the devil really works. So he's trying to
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  keep us from Christ so that you die and go to hell. And if he fails in that realm and you do become
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  a Christian, then he's going to try and keep you from enjoying your Christian life and experiencing
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  the abundant life. And the way he does that, he'll keep you away from the Word, he'll keep you
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  away from prayer, he'll keep you away from the church and the fellowship of believers. All those
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  things are critical for us to grow. There's an expression that I don't remember exactly what the
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  quote or that idea is, but it goes something like, if Satan can't keep you from God, he'll keep
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  you busy. So you won't be effective or productive for God. And that's another one of those lies.
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  And that might lead to the idea of works again. I've got to be busy. You've got to do all this,
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  do, do, do, like you said earlier, right? Right. Yeah, I think a lot of people fall into that trap.
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  It's kind of a performance trap, you know, if I do a lot, then God will love me. But if I'm not doing
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  a lot, God's not going to love me. And I don't know if you did this. When I was a kid, we would have
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  like a girl that you liked in school and you'd pick up a flower. You know, she loves me. She loves
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  me not. She loves me. She loves me. A lot of people do that with, they think that's how God does it.
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  And God loves me when I'm doing well. And he doesn't love me when I'm doing poorly. And the reality
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  is, and it's just a great truth. God loves you when you're at your worst. He still loves you. He
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  doesn't love you because of of what you do. Adrian Rogers used to say this. God doesn't love you,
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  or you're not valuable. How did he put it? God doesn't love you because you're valuable.
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  You're valuable because God loves you. And everything flows back to God.
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  You know what I thought of when you just shared that. By the way, I love Adrian Rogers. But I
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  thought of Amago Day. If people just could grasp that truth that every human being, we're not,
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  everyone is not a child of God, but we are all created in his image. We are valuable no matter
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  who you are. There's an nugget to take away. But Jeff, we ran out of time, went by very,
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  very fast. I just love to give the websites again from his heart doc or the ministry website.
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  But the book website, thedevilsnewsroom.com. It was so great to connect with you,
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  get to know you a little bit, Jeff, and appreciate the book and all you do and what you shared
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  today. Thanks for your time. Thank you, David. I appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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  Friends, God bless you. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.