Latest / Beheaded / Bad Boy Buccaneer Turned Beheaded Botanist | Sir Walter Raleigh

Transcript

Bad Boy Buccaneer Turned Beheaded Botanist | Sir Walter Raleigh · Beheaded

0:04
SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
0:06
SPEAKER_01: Welcome to season four, episode eight.
0:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm Megan Moore and I'm Elizabeth Black.
0:11
SPEAKER_02: I did the wrong tone when I said Megan Moore.
0:13
SPEAKER_01: You wanna do it again?
0:14
SPEAKER_01: No, keep going.
0:16
SPEAKER_01: I never actually noticed how you say it.
0:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm Megan Moore.
0:19
SPEAKER_01: I'm Megan Moore.
0:20
SPEAKER_01: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
0:21
SPEAKER_01: But I went, I'm Megan Moore.
0:23
SPEAKER_01: Like you're not quite sure.
0:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
0:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm Elizabeth Black.
0:28
SPEAKER_02: I think this is beheaded.
0:30
SPEAKER_02: It might be.
0:31
SPEAKER_02: Because it is.
0:32
SPEAKER_02: Because we're gonna talk about executions.
0:34
SPEAKER_01: Because now we have merch so confirmed that this is in fact called Beheaded.
0:39
SPEAKER_01: We can't change it now.
0:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's that's a great thing to start with because we're not holding back.
0:43
SPEAKER_02: We're putting our souls out there, we're selling ourselves.
0:46
SPEAKER_02: We're selling our souls to you all.
0:49
SPEAKER_02: On Etsy and buy our souls on Etsy.
0:52
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
0:52
SPEAKER_01: Personally.
0:53
SPEAKER_01: And you have, I think you showed me before we recorded every item.
0:58
SPEAKER_01: I got samples.
0:59
SPEAKER_01: Except the sticker.
1:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh I lost a sticker.
1:02
SPEAKER_02: I never got the sticker.
1:03
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
1:04
SPEAKER_01: You should take it up with Jake, your husband.
1:06
SPEAKER_02: My marketing slash customer support manager.
1:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:09
SPEAKER_02: Jake.
1:09
SPEAKER_02: Which I love if you go to Etsy.
1:11
SPEAKER_02: So first of all, go to our Instagram.
1:14
SPEAKER_02: You can find our Etsy page.
1:16
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:16
SPEAKER_02: Or if you go to Etsy style store.
1:18
SPEAKER_02: Etsy store.
1:19
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, the terms.
1:21
SPEAKER_02: I think you can also search like Beheaded Store Podcast, whatever, on Etsy.
1:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: I think.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
1:27
SPEAKER_01: I I did try that and I think the first result was like not ours.
1:30
SPEAKER_02: I was like, what else is beheaded?
1:32
SPEAKER_02: There are some creepy things.
1:33
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
1:34
SPEAKER_02: We're creepy people.
1:35
SPEAKER_01: So he's a creepy bloke.
1:37
SPEAKER_02: I love it though.
1:37
SPEAKER_02: When you go to the store, it'll be like sold by Jake.
1:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:41
SPEAKER_02: Jake is my husband.
1:42
SPEAKER_01: He needs to put a little picture there because right now it's just his little like silhouette avatar thing.
1:46
SPEAKER_01: Little executioner logo.
1:48
SPEAKER_01: That'd be cute.
1:49
SPEAKER_01: He has an executioner costume that he wore for Halloween.
1:52
SPEAKER_02: He made him dress up in.
1:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh, just use that.
1:54
SPEAKER_01: That's perfect.
1:55
SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
1:56
SPEAKER_02: Or I'm picturing like a Shrek executioner type look.
2:00
SPEAKER_02: Nah.
2:01
SPEAKER_02: I like the costume idea.
2:03
SPEAKER_02: I will say, okay, so we got samples of everything.
2:06
SPEAKER_02: I love, I think the mug is actually my favorite, which has not been a top seller.
2:10
SPEAKER_02: The wine tumbler has been popular.
2:11
SPEAKER_02: Also good though.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: I really like the wine tumbler.
2:13
SPEAKER_02: I did enlarge the logo a bit.
2:15
SPEAKER_02: So if you are one of the lucky first people to get the biggest thing, like that's a very special one that you have.
2:21
SPEAKER_02: It's a one-of-a-kind.
2:23
SPEAKER_02: That is an indicator.
2:24
SPEAKER_02: It's like the first batch.
2:27
SPEAKER_02: The first batch.
2:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, which is the first edition.
2:31
SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like the beanie babies when there was like, you know, some like a something on the logo or whatever.
2:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:36
SPEAKER_01: Um for our Gen Z people out there, do you need to define what a beanie baby is?
2:41
SPEAKER_01: Are we at are we at that point?
2:43
SPEAKER_01: Oh, totally.
2:43
SPEAKER_01: We've been at that point, Megan.
2:45
SPEAKER_02: Oh shoot.
2:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, Beanie Babies was a magical creation of hundreds of animals that you could buy for$4.99 each.
2:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:55
SPEAKER_02: And not touch it and not take off the tags.
2:58
SPEAKER_02: No.
2:58
SPEAKER_02: And then try to sell it later for nothing.
3:00
SPEAKER_01: For absolutely nothing.
3:02
SPEAKER_01: But you had a little book of like projected value that they were worth.
3:05
SPEAKER_01: Like this little blue dinosaur is going to be worth$15,000 one day.
3:09
SPEAKER_01: And that's when our anxiety started as a generation.
3:12
SPEAKER_01: And we didn't touch them and didn't play with them.
3:14
SPEAKER_01: They were just on your shelf.
3:15
SPEAKER_02: We had toys.
3:16
SPEAKER_02: We were not allowed to play with.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: What was your first beanie baby?
3:19
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember?
3:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Peanut the Elephant.
3:21
SPEAKER_01: Mine, oh god, I don't remember its name.
3:23
SPEAKER_01: It was a white unicorn.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: Magic Mystic.
3:27
SPEAKER_02: I was Mystic something.
3:28
SPEAKER_02: Right?
3:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
3:29
SPEAKER_02: I had a whole, yeah, I had a like between my sister and I, we had a lot of beanie babies.
3:36
SPEAKER_01: I think I always feel like, and I love my mother, but like I always feel like we got kind of like off-the-beaten path toys.
3:44
SPEAKER_01: Like I wouldn't say, not that I didn't get any kind of like name brand stuff.
3:48
SPEAKER_01: Like if I wanted something like a doodle bear, like I got the doodle bear.
3:50
SPEAKER_01: I had the doodle bear.
3:51
SPEAKER_01: I had a purple doodle bear.
3:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh, mine was blue.
3:54
SPEAKER_02: That I never washed.
3:55
SPEAKER_02: I washed mine a bunch, I think.
3:57
SPEAKER_02: No, mine was just tattooed all over the place.
3:59
SPEAKER_01: People probably don't know what we're talking about.
4:01
SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
4:01
SPEAKER_01: We're going back a little ways.
4:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I will just say, like, but like in terms of the trendy ultra cool stuff, like I just was never into it.
4:08
SPEAKER_01: A Furby?
4:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
4:10
SPEAKER_01: I was literally just gonna say a Furby, like a beanie baby, a Furby, like certain things like that that were like cultural crazes.
4:17
SPEAKER_01: Like, I didn't get it, and like my mom didn't get it.
4:19
SPEAKER_01: We're like, why would we own that?
4:21
SPEAKER_01: Like with the fuck Furby.
4:23
SPEAKER_02: I got everything because my dad is a product developer, that's right, which is like an inventor.
4:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and my dad used to work for Bruxtone and Sharper Image and would get all the weird like he helped design weird toys, yeah, and he worked a lot with Mattel and had other people in the business.
4:39
SPEAKER_02: Like, I always imagine Stu Pickles from Rugrats.
4:42
SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's like an inventor.
4:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's cool.
4:46
SPEAKER_02: My dad, uh my dad's and he's Jewish.
4:47
SPEAKER_02: I was kidding.
4:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he's Jewish.
4:50
SPEAKER_02: He was so about like the newest and greatest things out there, yeah.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: That we got sail, like a lot of times we got samples of things.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: That's or he knew someone who knew someone and would like get us the Furby.
5:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know?
5:00
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, we had all that crazy shit.
5:03
SPEAKER_02: Where were we going with this?
5:04
SPEAKER_02: Um uh mind tumbler, the merch.
5:10
SPEAKER_02: So um we did so yeah, the the tumbler, I think I I like both versions, is fine.
5:16
SPEAKER_02: There's nothing wrong with the first one, but we did enlarge the image a little bit.
5:20
SPEAKER_02: My favorite is the mug, which we were talking about wanting to do this, and we actually did it.
5:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, where it says beheaded podcasts, and on the back it says, the day will be hard, which is a direct quote from our favorite Robert Francois Damiens of 1757.
5:36
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
5:36
SPEAKER_02: When that was his quote when he was about to have a four-hour-long excruciating execution.
5:41
SPEAKER_02: Right.
5:41
SPEAKER_02: And it's a good reminder to you all when you're having a tough day at work, like, hey, this isn't that bad.
5:46
SPEAKER_02: I could be having my limbs pulled apart slowly by horses for an hour.
5:51
SPEAKER_02: And then hacked off because the horses couldn't pull them hard enough.
5:54
SPEAKER_02: Because you're too strong.
5:55
SPEAKER_02: And if you don't know what we're talking about, go back and listen to the episode because it is gory.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: It's a good one.
6:00
SPEAKER_02: It's a good one.
6:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, so merch is there and it's a thing.
6:04
SPEAKER_02: And we want to hear more of what merch you want because we can really do a lot of different things with who we're partnered with.
6:11
SPEAKER_02: Right.
6:11
SPEAKER_02: We can probably do, I don't, we I haven't really explored apparel, but we could.
6:15
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
6:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:17
SPEAKER_01: Maybe we start with like one size kind of apparel before we get into shirts.
6:20
SPEAKER_01: Underwear stuff.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: That's not quite one size, but sure.
6:24
SPEAKER_01: Could be.
6:24
SPEAKER_01: That'd be good.
6:25
SPEAKER_01: Remember those shirts going back to memory lane again.
6:28
SPEAKER_01: Remember the like shirts in like the early aughts that were like this big?
6:31
SPEAKER_01: I'm using a gesture with my hand indicating tiny, and then they stretched and they would be an actual shirt.
6:36
SPEAKER_01: They looked like weird little, almost like acoustic batting, like that you would put in a recording studio, is the only way I could describe it.
6:44
SPEAKER_01: Limited to sell those?
6:45
SPEAKER_01: Pretty sure.
6:45
SPEAKER_01: And they were like in a big one.
6:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were like in a stretch.
6:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying it's a one size fits all.
6:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh-oh, they're gonna be like, here's all the millennial merch.
6:56
SPEAKER_01: Your beanie baby.
6:57
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I was thinking maybe like a shot glass.
7:00
SPEAKER_01: I think I think that's the next thing.
7:02
SPEAKER_02: You mentioned a shot glass.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: A shot glass or like a flask, like something that you could take the runfare.
7:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:07
SPEAKER_01: I like that.
7:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but you tell us again, like we're just here.
7:11
SPEAKER_01: I don't think that's a thing.
7:13
SPEAKER_01: Are those back?
7:14
SPEAKER_01: I I never told I could never tell if trucker hats are in or out.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: Did they ever leave?
7:18
SPEAKER_01: I hope so.
7:19
SPEAKER_01: I sure it's the staple of swag.
7:22
SPEAKER_01: Ew, I hate them.
7:23
SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't hate them.
7:25
SPEAKER_01: When worn right, they're done well, but most of the time they're not worn right.
7:29
SPEAKER_02: I've never seen it worn right.
7:30
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, let's not offend any listeners.
7:32
SPEAKER_02: Ours will say, This podcast is torture.
7:36
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
7:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:37
SPEAKER_01: And people can post trendy pictures in their trucker hat.
7:40
SPEAKER_02: So think about it.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: For those of you who have already purchased, thank you.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: We appreciate you.
7:45
SPEAKER_02: We see you.
7:46
SPEAKER_02: We love you.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: Like, we had purchases from Ohio, and I was like, oh, I didn't realize.
7:52
SPEAKER_02: Like, that was kind of cool.
7:53
SPEAKER_02: Like, instantly when we shout out Ohio.
7:56
SPEAKER_02: Shout out Ohio.
7:58
SPEAKER_02: Um I I do have to laugh.
8:00
SPEAKER_02: Like so our marketing slash customer support manager, Jake.
8:07
SPEAKER_02: Jake, uh, it was like it was like three in the morning or so, or maybe one.
8:13
SPEAKER_02: No, it was early.
8:14
SPEAKER_02: It was like one in the morning.
8:15
SPEAKER_02: And I could hear him like tossing and turning, because I sleep next in the same bed as our marketing manager.
8:22
SPEAKER_02: And then all of a sudden, yeah, he he's upstairs in the office, and I can hear him like turn the lights and doing stuff.
8:28
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, he comes down like 30 minutes later.
8:31
SPEAKER_02: I was like, what are you doing?
8:32
SPEAKER_02: He's like, I just realized I think I was supposed to like do something to submit the orders through to get them made.
8:38
SPEAKER_02: So I just like sent like apology messages to everyone who purchased.
8:44
SPEAKER_02: I was like, you are a better customer support manager than me.
8:47
SPEAKER_02: That's top-notch.
8:48
SPEAKER_02: So if you got a weird cryptic message at like 1:30 in the morning, it's because Jake couldn't sleep until he knew that he personally contacted everyone.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: That's quality.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: I think someone should post a five-star review about the uh the level of service we have.
9:03
SPEAKER_02: I think it's because I'm so mean to him that I'm like really my expectations from him are like incredibly high.
9:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
9:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, did you get the shipping out?
9:14
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, Megan does tend to yell at him a bit, so I think he lives in fear at night.
9:18
SPEAKER_01: Like, what did I not do?
9:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, we've been together for 15 years.
9:22
SPEAKER_02: I after year four, I gained the right.
9:24
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
9:25
SPEAKER_02: Being able to do that.
9:26
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
9:27
SPEAKER_01: Year four, you say.
9:28
SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
9:28
SPEAKER_02: That's my theory.
9:30
SPEAKER_01: Alright, I like that.
9:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
9:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh what have you been up to?
9:33
SPEAKER_01: Um Liz.
9:34
SPEAKER_01: Lizzie?
9:35
SPEAKER_01: Gosh.
9:35
SPEAKER_01: I just got in.
9:38
unknown: Perfect.
9:39
SPEAKER_01: I just got back from a wedding.
9:41
SPEAKER_01: I feel like I always go to weddings.
9:43
SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
9:43
SPEAKER_01: Oh, what are you doing?
9:44
SPEAKER_02: Look at this wine.
9:45
SPEAKER_01: Why is it grimy?
9:46
SPEAKER_01: What's it doing?
9:47
SPEAKER_02: There's a bunch of I think it's cork.
9:49
SPEAKER_01: No, I executed this cork flawlessly.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: Look at that.
9:52
SPEAKER_02: No, it's not cork.
9:54
SPEAKER_02: I think it's because it's organic.
9:55
SPEAKER_02: The wine crystals.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: Okay, sorry.
9:58
SPEAKER_01: So okay, we're just- I just went to Philly for a wedding.
10:01
SPEAKER_01: Fine.
10:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, one of the fanciest weddings I've been to, I will say.
10:04
SPEAKER_01: There was like a oyster shucker at the cocktail hour, not even the dinner.
10:10
SPEAKER_01: So um, yes, that was a fun little detail of the wedding.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I don't want to bore you with the wedding because weddings, even if they're fancy, are just like any other fucking wedding, no offense.
10:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, but my story I wanted to center around was the fact that I took Frontier all the way to Philly.
10:26
SPEAKER_01: Airlines.
10:26
SPEAKER_01: Frontier Airlines, which is bargain like airline, right?
10:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, and it's because that flight was only$300, whereas the rest of our flights were like$650 and over.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: So we bit the bullet and we're like, we're taking the cheap airline because that's a lot of money.
10:42
SPEAKER_01: So we did that, but I guess I don't know if it was just me or what, but they didn't like accept my TSA pre-check number.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: Shout out TSA pre-check, it's the best.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: But if you don't know what TSA pre-check is, or if they don't have this in other countries, I think they do.
10:57
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, you basically internationally sometimes.
11:00
SPEAKER_01: No, I know that.
11:01
SPEAKER_01: But I'm saying, like, isn't that a thing still?
11:03
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know.
11:04
SPEAKER_02: It also I've never been pre-check.
11:06
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
11:06
SPEAKER_02: TSA pre-checks.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: Well, you gotta experience it because I didn't realize what the peasants have to do in the other line.
11:11
SPEAKER_02: All I know is when we traveled, whenever we've traveled, whether to Oklahoma or Disney World together, you have zero shame and I just leave you.
11:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you always take your pre-check, you're like, Bye, I'm just gonna walk really quickly through my fancy and then you leave me in the line to get yelled at.
11:27
SPEAKER_01: What's a dick move of me?
11:28
SPEAKER_01: But but I have to because it's so bad in the regular line.
11:32
SPEAKER_01: So, like, I I I literally told the customer service rep when I checked my bag, I was like, hey, like, I noticed my TSA pre-check number isn't on my boarding pass, so it doesn't say pre-check.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: She's like, Okay.
11:45
SPEAKER_01: Ma'am, this is frontier.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: So I was like, Well, can we get we get that?
11:48
SPEAKER_01: So I literally showed her my like global entry card that has the number on it.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: Like, here, I'm not just making it up, like this is the official number on the official card.
11:56
SPEAKER_01: So she takes it, she looks at it, like clacks around on the computer, and she's like, Yeah, it's not working.
12:02
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, no, I can't.
12:03
SPEAKER_02: Well, I pay for this.
12:04
SPEAKER_01: I've had this for years, I pay for it.
12:06
SPEAKER_01: It works on every other airline, like I've used it recently.
12:09
SPEAKER_01: I was like, no, it works.
12:12
SPEAKER_01: Can like you try it again?
12:14
SPEAKER_01: And she's like, Well, it just it just doesn't work.
12:17
SPEAKER_01: I was like, cool.
12:19
SPEAKER_01: And I just stared at her and I was like, all right, that's fine.
12:23
SPEAKER_01: So I take myself to the regular line because I'm not about to like fight the other TSA worker of like, you know, the hey, I have global no, blah blah blah.
12:31
SPEAKER_01: I just went to the regular line.
12:33
SPEAKER_01: So regular line, I don't know how to act, and I like I'm just like in the line, and you know, in TSA preach, like you don't have to take off your shoes or jacket or like take your laptop out of your bag, like you just go through, like they trust you because you paid for it, you're screened, all that.
12:48
SPEAKER_01: So I go and I I only have two bins, one for my bag and one for like my the rest of my shit.
12:54
SPEAKER_01: And then the lady's like, Oh, like you're supposed to take your laptop out of your bag.
12:56
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh, sorry, like I think I knew that.
12:58
SPEAKER_01: So I take it out and I don't have another bin, and there's like a whole line behind me, and she's standing next to a like thing of bins, like a whole thing, like within arms rate, like reach, and she's just like looking at me, and I was like, Would you mind?
13:13
SPEAKER_01: Is it okay if you pass me one of those bins?
13:17
SPEAKER_01: And I said it very politely because I knew like you know, I didn't want to be an asshole, and she literally just stares at me, like says nothing.
13:26
SPEAKER_01: I was not prepared, and yeah, security line is no joke.
13:30
SPEAKER_01: She just stares at me.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: Like I asked her to go murder somebody.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: That's how she looked at me.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: She was like, uh what?
13:36
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Would you mind passing me one of those that you're standing next to?
13:40
SPEAKER_01: I was like, or would you prefer that I go all the way back there out of line and get another bin?
13:45
SPEAKER_01: And she continues to stare at me and just like grabs a bin, like not breaking eye contact and no expression on her face.
13:54
SPEAKER_01: And she's like, sure, here you go.
13:57
SPEAKER_01: And like doesn't change her stare, doesn't change her face, just like aggressively hands me this bin.
14:02
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh my god, welcome to peasant life with us.
14:05
SPEAKER_02: I was like, You have to prove yourself to TSA to show that you're a competent, like a competent.
14:11
SPEAKER_02: I am competent.
14:11
SPEAKER_02: I just don't know what to do in that moment.
14:13
SPEAKER_02: You know the rules of the security check.
14:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they have they are ruthless, they have zero patience for you.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they are unhappy with their lives, their jobs, and we can't yell at them.
14:22
SPEAKER_02: There's actually a sign that says you can't be rude to TSA.
14:25
SPEAKER_02: Really?
14:25
SPEAKER_02: Yes, you've never read that.
14:26
SPEAKER_02: It says you can be fined.
14:28
SPEAKER_02: Oh, police.
14:30
SPEAKER_02: You can find the frontier member.
14:33
SPEAKER_02: You can't be abusive towards them at all.
14:35
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't abusive.
14:36
SPEAKER_01: I asked her to simply I know I'm not saying you were.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: I know.
14:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying you were.
14:39
SPEAKER_02: I just thought it was.
14:40
SPEAKER_02: You just have to take the heat from them because they rule the airport.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: I guess.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: And on the way back, I did it, I did it all correctly because I didn't want to be yelled at again.
14:48
SPEAKER_01: And then I put my shoes in one of the bins, and she's like, Why are your shoes in the bin?
14:53
SPEAKER_01: I was like, because I took them off and they need to go somewhere.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: And she's like, they're not supposed to be in the bin.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: You have to put them out of the bin.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: I was like, what are these all the airports have different rules?
15:03
SPEAKER_01: Rules you're making up.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: So I will never ever go through without my TSA pre-check again because it's horrendous.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how y'all do it.
15:11
SPEAKER_02: That's a great story.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: I know.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
15:13
SPEAKER_02: Don't be sorry, don't apologize.
15:15
SPEAKER_02: I paid for it.
15:16
SPEAKER_02: Damn it.
15:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna unapologetically talk about my weekend a couple weeks ago.
15:21
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
15:22
SPEAKER_02: Because, Megan.
15:24
SPEAKER_02: Because so, as some of you might have caught on to, I'm a huge Swifty.
15:30
SPEAKER_02: Shocking.
15:31
SPEAKER_02: Like, I love my Taylor Swift.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: I've been a diehard fan for years.
15:36
SPEAKER_02: I've tried to hide it at some points.
15:38
SPEAKER_02: Now I'm just like full-blown.
15:40
SPEAKER_02: When have you ever tried to hide it?
15:43
SPEAKER_02: Like five years ago, I when you met me.
15:45
SPEAKER_02: I I tried to hide it.
15:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: And it's come out more throughout the years.
15:49
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
15:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm a diehard screaming everywhere.
15:53
SPEAKER_02: And um love Taylor because she always starts in Phoenix.
15:58
SPEAKER_02: Why then?
15:59
SPEAKER_02: I my theory is because it's like Phoenix rising out of the ashes.
16:03
SPEAKER_02: She's like reborn here.
16:04
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: She's cryptic.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: And um we must decipher everywhere.
16:10
SPEAKER_02: The last time we saw her, obviously, with everyone else, was for her reputation tour.
16:13
SPEAKER_02: Elizabeth and I went together in 2018.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, I did get the Arab.
16:17
SPEAKER_02: I think I mentioned it how on the show, maybe of like I got the tickets through the whole ticket master.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: I got floor seats.
16:24
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, I I love her because I was there not opening night, I was here second night, which was still good because everything was still a surprise.
16:32
SPEAKER_02: I had no spoilers.
16:33
SPEAKER_02: I cried, I screamed, I met all my other Swifty friends.
16:38
SPEAKER_02: She was.
16:38
SPEAKER_02: I don't care if you don't like Taylor Swift.
16:41
SPEAKER_02: She is not the number one artist of our decade right now because people don't like her.
16:46
SPEAKER_02: The decade being three years in.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Just kidding.
16:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm kidding.
16:49
SPEAKER_02: I know you will combat me on this.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm kidding.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: She put on a the most astounding three-hour and 13-minute performance.
16:58
SPEAKER_02: It was, it was magical.
17:01
SPEAKER_02: Like, I just it was so funny.
17:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, security came up to me and pat me on the shoulder, and I was like scared.
17:07
SPEAKER_02: Like, oh my god, what did I do?
17:09
SPEAKER_02: And the girl just goes, I'm sorry.
17:11
SPEAKER_02: I've been watching you.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: Do you know every word to every song?
17:15
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, yeah, when you've listened to Taylor every day for the past 10 years of your life, and that's all you listen to.
17:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was screaming, crying, tears down my face, like every, and it was just fun because you're with everyone else who's also screaming all the words to every song.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: That's what I was gonna ask.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: It's weird that she said that to you.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: I was literally everyone else is doing the same thing.
17:37
SPEAKER_02: Um I was putting on a really good like dance performance with it all, too.
17:41
SPEAKER_02: Also, I stood out because I'll have to post a picture.
17:44
SPEAKER_02: It is a little bit relevant to the podcast.
17:46
SPEAKER_02: It is.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, there's a music video called Bejeweled, where at the end she dresses up in a very Marie Antoinette-esque outfit with her Prince Jack.
17:56
SPEAKER_02: So Jake and I dressed up as that.
17:59
SPEAKER_02: And I like that you say Prince Jack, like everyone knows who Prince Jack is.
18:02
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's like the character in the music video.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: I know, it's just funny.
18:06
SPEAKER_02: It's like a queen and king French royalty, very Marie Antoinette look.
18:12
SPEAKER_02: So that's what we replicated.
18:14
SPEAKER_02: And I think we hit the nail.
18:15
SPEAKER_02: We had a lot of people stopping us for like pictures, and that's cool.
18:19
SPEAKER_02: That's good.
18:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was it was fun.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: So I think that's why it stood out because I have a Marie Antoinette costume, so good, dual purpose.
18:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, but tonight we are not wow, we just did 20 minutes of banter.
18:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: I have to cut back on some of that.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, feel free to take some of that out.
18:38
SPEAKER_02: Um tonight we are not talking about anything French.
18:43
SPEAKER_02: No, we are talking about the English again.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: Back to the English.
18:47
SPEAKER_02: I told Elizabeth, I was like, I need something tutor.
18:50
SPEAKER_02: Give me a tutor.
18:51
SPEAKER_01: Honestly, it confused me when you texted me that because she's like put T-O-O-T-E-R, and I was like, Is that a snack?
18:59
SPEAKER_01: We know about I want some tutor.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: I want some tutor.
19:03
SPEAKER_02: We'll be right back after a quick break.
19:08
SPEAKER_02: Hey executionados.
19:09
SPEAKER_02: As you know, Elizabeth and I take our snacks very seriously.
19:13
SPEAKER_02: On podcasting nights, we have charcuterie boards and pizza and wine, and it's so much fun to sit and eat and talk about our favorite stories and history.
19:21
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes though, on podcasting nights, things just get way too busy.
19:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm just getting off work, we're collecting our notes, we're preparing for the show, and I just don't have time to get to the store.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: That's when I use Instacart.
19:33
SPEAKER_02: Instacart has multiple stores, so I can find all my favorite products.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: My items are hand selected by a shopper based on my preferences and can be delivered to my door in as fast as an hour.
19:43
SPEAKER_02: They highlight deals to help me save money and offer smart suggestions.
19:47
SPEAKER_02: Now you can get free delivery on your first order over$35.
19:51
SPEAKER_02: Follow the link in our bio on our Instagram page, and that will let Instacart know that we sent you.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: Now back to the show.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: We are doing Sir Walter Raleigh tonight.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
20:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, who is very well known in the Elizabethan court, in the Elizabeth I court.
20:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, so we'll go ahead and uh jump right into his early life.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: So he was born, Sir Raleigh, um, in 1552 or 1554, around that era, in East Devon, which is southwest England.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: Uh he was the youngest of five sons.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: He was uh the son of Walter Raleigh Sr.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: and then Catherine, and I'm sorry if I say her last name wrong, but we've got a lot of like multi-syllabic last names in this one.
20:36
SPEAKER_01: That's a good word.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you.
20:38
SPEAKER_01: Um Catherine Champron.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: Nice British name.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: Um and Catherine's paternal aunt was actually Kat Ashley, uh, who was the governess of Queen Elizabeth I.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, so they weren't necessarily like the wealthiest of people, but they were well-connected people.
20:58
SPEAKER_01: Um she also uh introduced uh young Waltz.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna call him young Waltz while he's little, uh, to uh and his brothers to court.
21:07
SPEAKER_01: Um and he also had an uncle who was in parliament at the time.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: So again, not necessarily like super noble family or well-known, but well connected, obviously, if you're at that level.
21:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:17
SPEAKER_01: That's pretty cool.
21:17
SPEAKER_01: Um they were also a very Protestant family, which at this point in history, it's not really Elizabeth the First Court yet, right?
21:24
SPEAKER_01: It's Mary the First Court in England.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: And as we know, Mary I is fiercely Catholic.
21:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, so somehow his fanage really managed to kind of get by during that era when a lot of Protestants were being, you know, ostracized or, you know, uh persecuted.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: So they went ahead and got through Mary I's reign.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, but from a young age, he really hated Catholicism.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: He he knew from a young age that he was very Protestant in his heart.
21:53
SPEAKER_01: So fast forward a few years, um, Raleigh's now 17, so this is about 1569.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: He actually leaves to France.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: To fight for the French Protestants in the French religious civil wars, because again, he's very deeply devout and he's fighting for a cause at that point.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: He's also like, he knows that Elizabeth I at this point is very Protestant and wants to be on essentially what he thinks is the right side of history.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: So he goes and he does that for the French.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: Little about his life is known immediately after that.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: We know that he was abroad a while.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: Um he might have spent a year at Oriel College at Oxford.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: He kind of goes off to, again, try to be educated, but doesn't necessarily finish his education that we know of.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: But he eventually comes back to England in 1576.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: So at this point, he's about 25 years old.
22:42
SPEAKER_01: And when he's about 27 to 31, he's sent to Ireland now to suppress the Desmond Rebellion.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: So the Desmond Rebellion is again uh Irish Catholics fighting against now English Protestantism.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: Taylor's oldest time.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: Taylor's oldest time.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: We've talked about this a lot on the podcast.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: He was actually there at the Siege of Smurwick, which was where um there was a giant uh group of Spanish and Italian Catholic soldiers fighting on behalf of the Catholic Irish, and he led the party that beheaded 600 of these soldiers.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: 600.
23:18
SPEAKER_02: Can you just imagine how much blood there was?
23:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:21
SPEAKER_02: First of all, lots of blood.
23:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
23:23
SPEAKER_02: I know this is not a focus of the story.
23:26
SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
23:27
SPEAKER_02: But weren't they like tired of beheading so many people?
23:31
SPEAKER_02: Like that's exhausting.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: And where like that's a lot of people.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: It's a lot of heads rolling.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: Where what video or movie did we watch where it was like one big mass swinging sword?
23:44
SPEAKER_02: Invisible row.
23:45
SPEAKER_02: It's a sci-fi show on Amazon.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: It's like one big swinging axe that just took off like 10 people's heads at the same time.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's what they used.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: They could have.
23:54
SPEAKER_01: Who knows what they engineered.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we again, there was a lot of conflicting dates and things when we were looking up uh Raleigh's kind of timeline, but one did say that he personally did some of the beheadings.
24:06
SPEAKER_01: Like some sources say he just led the party that did the beheadings.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: Like one source said that he himself was one who was executing people.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: Dang.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if like a bunch of these commanders just kind of took charge and like got again groups of 10 and 20 and just offed a bunch of people.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: You have to be strong to behead someone.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: Well, and also if there's that many soldiers, they don't just overpower you.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: Like, how many do you have on your side, you know?
24:29
SPEAKER_01: I I have a lot of questions about this, but I'll move on for the sake of perhaps over the years it's kind of grown into uh I mean maybe it was actually like 20 guys, but who knows?
24:38
SPEAKER_01: It could have been.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: Sources say hundreds of Spanish and Italian strapping young Catholic men.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
24:44
SPEAKER_01: That's how I imagine them.
24:46
SPEAKER_01: Um so for all of this, at this point, he's kind of again getting more well known uh at court, and he receives four 40,000 acres of Irish land because of all the stuff that he'd uh he'd done.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: But the problem is if you're English, you don't really want to live in Ireland.
25:04
SPEAKER_01: So he gets all this land and he's like, oh great, this is how I'm gonna make money as I'm gonna have all these tenants, all these English tenants who want to live with me.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: But he had a hard time actually getting English to go live within.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: To go live in Ireland.
25:16
SPEAKER_02: And actually, the 40,000 acres, it was something like 0.2% of the entire country of Ireland he owned.
25:22
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: He was like one of the biggest landowners at that point in Ireland.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: So I was like, oh look, like what a first world problem.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: He's like, oh, I have all this land and it kicks up.
25:31
SPEAKER_02: They're still trying to fight for their religious freedom.
25:34
SPEAKER_02: Right, exactly.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: So I read that and I was like, Oh, oh, you're sad, you can't get all the English tenants.
25:39
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you have to live in Ireland.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: He eventually, and well, this is just kind of fast-forwarding into the future, we'll go back into these years, but he does end up selling the land in 1602 to Richard Boyle, which not to be confused with Richard Roos, get it.
25:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, I know where you're going.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: I I get it.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if they get it, but I get it because I know your brain, unfortunately.
26:01
SPEAKER_02: I'm in your brain sometimes, and it's it's a scary place to be.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: But I'll just say, uh, Richard Roos was a uh cook who was boiled alive for trying to um poison, was it The Cardinal or I forget.
26:17
SPEAKER_02: It's season one, season one of BC.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just look of season one.
26:20
SPEAKER_02: Um Jud Roos, Richard Boyle.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: You're such an idiot.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: So he was boiled to death, and I thought that was funny.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Richard Boyle, get it.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: Like Richard Roos.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay, moving on.
26:29
SPEAKER_02: Yes, please continue.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: So at this point, um, he's about 32 years old, the year is 1584, um, and he's starting to again really gain the favor of Elizabeth I.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: It is rumored, and who knows how we can really write no in this era, but it's rumored that he also is one of her lovers.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: So it could be that he just was very fond of her, that he was she was fond of him, they were kind of intellectual partners, but I mean, similar to other lovers that she's had, we're not really clear on the relationship.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: So there is a rumor that they were at one point lovers, but it is clear that he's definitely a favorite.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: So he finally receives um a royal charter from Elizabeth to explore, colonize, and rule any remote heathen and barbarous lands, countries, and territories.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: Not how to how is this written?
27:21
SPEAKER_01: Not actually possessed of any Christian prince or inhabited by Christian people.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: So Elizabeth is definitely promoting him and wanting him to get out there and do all these big adventurous things.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: Right.
27:34
SPEAKER_02: And going back to this, uh what Elizabeth just says, so yeah, he's a knight in the Elizabethan court.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: Elizabeth loves him, possibly actually loves him.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: Right.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: All over this one little encounter where supposedly he threw his cloak over a puddle to, you know, very romantic, whatever.
27:49
SPEAKER_02: Cute.
27:50
SPEAKER_02: Very a very a cute meat.
27:52
SPEAKER_02: Is that what they call it?
27:53
SPEAKER_02: Meet cute.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: A meat cute.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: Right.
27:55
SPEAKER_02: But who knows if they're actually lovers or not.
27:57
SPEAKER_02: Um but this is about 1584 to Elizabeth's point.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: Whenever we have episodes on Elizabeth I, and I feel like I need to distinguish distinguish you.
28:07
SPEAKER_02: Call me E.
28:08
SPEAKER_02: E.
28:08
SPEAKER_02: B.
28:09
SPEAKER_02: Um this was the time of exploration.
28:13
SPEAKER_02: Right.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't so much that that Walter Raleigh was the one who was on the voyages, but he led them and he organized them.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
28:24
SPEAKER_02: She gave him a royal charter, which in today's money it costs over a million dollars.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: So when it's not that easy to just say, like, oh yeah, well, let's let's just get a ship and go.
28:34
SPEAKER_02: You really have to get commissioned by the court, you have to get the fund the funding for it, you need to get the backup for it.
28:41
SPEAKER_02: And I I will mention, while Elizabeth really liked Walter, a lot of the other courtians did not.
28:47
SPEAKER_02: They thought he was a little bit too ambitious, kind of extravagant, kind of narcissistic, which I think those are all probably traits that you need to be able to progress and move forward in this type of an era.
28:58
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:59
SPEAKER_01: Or any era.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: And he was like a tall, dark, and handsome man.
29:02
SPEAKER_01: They said he was like over six foot, again, well dressed, uh, was known to kind of wear pearls and silks.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: So he was a very like beautiful man.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: People were like, ooh, again, similar to other uh people that we talked about, he's a very striking man at court.
29:17
SPEAKER_02: Very hot.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: Very hot.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: He was given seven years to go and colonize a new world.
29:24
SPEAKER_02: And if he was successful in creating a colonization overseas, he would get one-fifth of the gold that was monetized from this.
29:32
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: Eh, not a bad bad.
29:35
SPEAKER_02: So he never actually visited North America.
29:38
SPEAKER_02: However, he organized the voyages that were now modern-day Virginia, modern day North Carolina.
29:44
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
29:45
SPEAKER_02: Okay, got that.
29:46
SPEAKER_02: I didn't write that down.
29:47
SPEAKER_02: This is off the top of my head at this point.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
29:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, this is fascinating.
29:51
SPEAKER_02: Some of you may have been familiar with the Roanoke colony of 1585.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: Not to be confused with American Horror Story.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: But also be confused because that's based on the Roanoke.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
30:04
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: That's where I first learned about the Roanoke colony.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: You did?
30:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: I guess I lived under a rock until I watched American Horror Story.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: You lived on the East Coast.
30:13
SPEAKER_01: You never heard of the Lost Colony of Roanoke?
30:15
SPEAKER_01: We don't talk about these things.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: I feel like I learned about it like young.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what it meant.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: I feel like fifth grade was a big I don't remember hearing about it.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: Maybe my teacher was just into it.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know.
30:30
SPEAKER_02: I I don't know.
30:31
SPEAKER_02: But um this is like its own story in itself, so I won't harp on it too much.
30:37
SPEAKER_02: It's super interesting.
30:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:39
SPEAKER_02: Lots of conspiracy theories.
30:41
SPEAKER_02: Never, it's one of those unsolved mysteries that no one actually knows what happened.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: Long story short, they began the colonization of the Roanoke colony.
30:51
SPEAKER_02: Right.
30:51
SPEAKER_02: And it seemed to be successful, it seemed to be a good thing.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: They went back to be like, okay, let's like make this a root, let's go check on this little like colony that we've created.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: And it was in, we talked about this, modern day Virginia, which really quick was named because of Queen Elizabeth.
31:07
SPEAKER_02: Virginia.
31:08
SPEAKER_02: Because she's the Virgin Queen, so it was named after.
31:10
SPEAKER_02: It all comes together.
31:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:12
SPEAKER_02: Also, Raleigh, um, was it Raleigh?
31:15
SPEAKER_02: Raleigh Peterson.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: North Carolina.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: North Carolina, like first Raleigh.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Raleigh, North Carolina is also named after Walter Raleigh.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: It all comes together.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: Um so in 1585, though, so they go back and it ends up being three years later.
31:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: There is not one piece of evidence that these people were ever here.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: They disappeared.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: Like without a trace.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: The only like the weird thing is there were carvings on the tree saying what was the word what was the word cro Croatoin?
31:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, C-R-O-A-T-O-A-N, Croatoin.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: Croatoin was carved on the trees.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: They don't know were they washed away in seed.
32:01
SPEAKER_02: Did they try to was there a plague or something?
32:03
SPEAKER_02: They tried to move and then they got lost and they're just but they explored and they tried to find any remnants of this colony, and there's not a single threat.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: Like truly lost colony.
32:15
SPEAKER_02: Like no artifacts, no clothing, none of their like it's just it's a mystery.
32:22
SPEAKER_02: It's one of the it's a really if you want to like go down a deep rabbit hole.
32:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, and of course, American Horror Story made a whole season based on the Road Note colony, and it's like curse and your ghosts, and you know, we go, we go that round too.
32:33
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
32:34
SPEAKER_02: Um, anyways, pulling it back to our story though, that was kind of his failed attempt at colonization in the in North America, besides the fact that they did like Virginia, okay.
32:43
SPEAKER_02: Like, all right, we're he's he's trying to make a footprint, but um not truly successful.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: So in 1591, he goes back to England.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: He is made captain of the yeoman, and he's given all these rewards and estates.
33:02
SPEAKER_02: He gains Darham House, which was like a big mansion in England.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: We know that name, like Frances Darham, I feel like, right?
33:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, and he's doing okay for himself.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: He falls in love with Elizabeth, another Elizabeth, another Elizabeth.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: Bess.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: We'll call her Bess Throckmorton.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: Again, multisyllabic, kind of hard to say.
33:25
SPEAKER_02: What a name.
33:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:26
SPEAKER_02: Bess Throckmorton.
33:28
SPEAKER_02: Bess was a lady in waiting to uh Queen Elizabeth, and she was 11 years younger than Sir Walter Raleigh.
33:35
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:36
SPEAKER_02: And they have a secret wedding.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: Sneaky.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: And that is not good to do when you have a jealous Elizabeth I, which I think might speak, you know, to the fact that they might have been lovers.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: Because what is her first instinct when this happens?
33:52
SPEAKER_01: Throw them in the tower.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: Unsanctioned marriage.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, I did not approve of this marriage.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: That is intense.
33:58
SPEAKER_01: Imagine getting imprisoned in the Tower of London because you married someone out of love.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, and I mean, they're both two people she likes and trusts.
34:07
SPEAKER_01: It's not like one of them betrayed her for another.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: It's like she likes him, she likes her.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: It's like your two best friends just being like, hey, by the way, like we're together now.
34:16
SPEAKER_01: Like, why would you get super pissed about that?
34:18
SPEAKER_01: I've seen this before, though.
34:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:21
SPEAKER_02: But think of um, like Henry VIII was real mad at Charles Brandon when he married his sister.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: And saying when Anne Boleyn betrothed herself to Henry Percy.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: Right.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: And the whole thing is because marriage isn't just supposed to be marriage for love, it's a resource to gain and favor and then um move up in status and money and and usually has to be agreed on by both families and the monarch if you're high up enough.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: You don't just get married for love.
34:50
SPEAKER_01: There's other purposes behind it.
34:52
SPEAKER_01: Right.
34:52
SPEAKER_01: So she's mad.
34:53
SPEAKER_01: So thrown in the tower, obviously.
34:56
SPEAKER_02: Seems like a appropriate response.
34:58
SPEAKER_01: Right.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: So this is 1591 at this point.
35:01
SPEAKER_01: She does let um Walter out once because uh she does capture a Spanish ship.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: So she lets him out to go like organize and divide the spoils, which is kind of a weird thing.
35:11
SPEAKER_01: She literally is like, okay, well, I know you're like in prison right now, but would you mind because you're really good at this?
35:16
SPEAKER_01: Like going, organizing, dividing these spoils, and then back to the tower you go.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: But eventually he's finally released, um, and so his so is his new wife, in 1593.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: So slowly but surely he returns back to favor and actually becomes a member of parliament at that time.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: So at this point, it's 1595, and he finally goes on another quest to the Americas.
35:38
SPEAKER_01: But as Megan mentioned, he never actually goes to North America.
35:42
SPEAKER_01: In this adventure, he goes to South America, which is uh modern-day eastern Venezuela, and he goes there to search for the legendary city of gold, El Dorado.
35:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, because at this point there's a lot of lore around this, right?
35:57
SPEAKER_01: Like the Spanish are going over there, the conquistadors are going over there to find um any kind of gold and silver they can get their hands on.
36:04
SPEAKER_01: There's all these rumors of all the riches of the new world.
36:07
SPEAKER_01: So he says, Oh, don't worry, Elizabeth I.
36:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna find the city of gold, and then we're gonna essentially take it out under the Spanish, and this is going to be another uh thing that we conquer, another part of who we are, is the the British Royal Navy.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: Um, but he comes back.
36:24
SPEAKER_01: There's no evidence that he found anything, not even gold mines.
36:28
SPEAKER_01: He did claim to find Angel Falls, which is the largest waterfall in the world.
36:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's nice.
36:33
SPEAKER_01: He's like, well, honey, I didn't bring you back a city of gold, but I found the tallest waterfall you'll ever see.
36:39
SPEAKER_01: Took a picture of it.
36:40
unknown: Yeah.
36:41
SPEAKER_01: Here's a beautiful painting I did.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: Um so so unfortunately, that that plan kind of falls flat, but he doesn't really abandon this hope of finding it one day.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, he does actually adventure a little bit with Robert Devereux the following year.
36:55
SPEAKER_01: I know.
36:55
SPEAKER_01: I like Robert Devereux.
36:57
SPEAKER_01: A little love triangle, I feel like, going on.
36:59
SPEAKER_01: Like, do they have boy talk?
37:00
SPEAKER_01: What a little posse, right?
37:02
SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, like Robbie D.
37:04
SPEAKER_02: Robbie D Walty Walt and Walt off doing their little explorations, and Elizabeth back at the palace being like, Oh, my men.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: My men, my strong, beautiful.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: Finding my gold for me.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, there is funny like renditions.
37:19
SPEAKER_01: I think what what movie was it with Kate Blanchette?
37:22
SPEAKER_01: That was Elizabeth the Golden Age.
37:24
SPEAKER_01: Okay, Elizabeth the Golden Age, where like uh he storms in Raw Raleigh storms into court, and everyone's like, oh, like he's a pirate.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: He's the one that you know found found gold and potatoes and tobacco in the new world, and he like is portrayed as this grand adventurer.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: And yet it's like, well, he didn't actually go to North America.
37:43
SPEAKER_01: He briefly went to find the city of gold and didn't find it.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: So he found a waterfall.
37:47
SPEAKER_01: He found a waterfall.
37:48
SPEAKER_02: Don't go chase.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: Waterfall.
37:51
SPEAKER_01: Like a very outro.
37:53
SPEAKER_01: Um, so then March 1603 rolls around, and good Queen Elizabeth passes away.
38:01
SPEAKER_01: It is the end of an era.
38:03
SPEAKER_01: And of course, Raleigh's sitting pretty, like at the end of her life.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: Like he's still in favor, he just finished this, you know, grandiose adventure.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then King James I ascends to the throne, and all of a sudden, Raleigh is just charged with treason.
38:20
SPEAKER_01: Just like out of nowhere.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: King James I never really liked him, never really had, you know, had uh favor with him, and then just decides, you know what?
38:30
SPEAKER_01: I feel like you're treasonous.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: Where does he go?
38:33
SPEAKER_01: Back to the tower.
38:34
SPEAKER_02: Back to the tower.
38:35
SPEAKER_02: This kid can't get a break.
38:36
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: And to add more context, James I is the son of Mary Queen of Scots.
38:43
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
38:43
SPEAKER_02: Of course, Mary Queen of Scots and Elizabeth I had quite a history with each other.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: Right.
38:48
SPEAKER_02: Elizabeth taking her head eventually.
38:50
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
38:51
SPEAKER_02: So I feel like when James I became, he he went from King of Scotland to King of England.
38:58
SPEAKER_02: Right.
38:58
SPEAKER_02: And anything to do with Elizabeth I, all of her anyone who was in favor with her is like out.
39:06
SPEAKER_02: You know, he already was starting off on a pretty bad foot there.
39:09
SPEAKER_02: So July 19th, 1603, which is not very long after Elizabeth dies in March.
39:16
SPEAKER_02: Right.
39:17
SPEAKER_02: March, April, May, June.
39:18
SPEAKER_02: Four months later, he's already arrested.
39:21
SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
39:21
SPEAKER_02: Um, and his main reason for being arrested is being involved in what they called the main plot.
39:28
SPEAKER_02: And this was getting Lady Arabella Stewart onto the throne to replace James I.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: Whether or not Walter Raleigh had anything to do with it or not, you know.
39:38
SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
39:40
SPEAKER_02: It's all I feel like everything's pointing few fingers.
39:42
SPEAKER_02: Right.
39:43
SPEAKER_02: Um, I felt like a little bit of a personal relationship to this whole story for anyone who we've we've talked about it before, but Tracy Borman's trilogy of The King's Witch.
39:54
SPEAKER_02: Um I I don't want to give spoilers or anything, but in the second and in the third books, they really go into this.
40:01
SPEAKER_02: And Walter Raleigh is actually a really big character in the book, which is great.
40:04
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of this that we're gonna get into, they they talk about like they like Tracy Borman sets up this whole scene of seeing what his life is like being arrested.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: So in the tower.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:15
SPEAKER_02: Highly recommend.
40:16
SPEAKER_02: I like that.
40:16
SPEAKER_02: Um he was very, very upset about being arrested again.
40:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he was in there six months before, and he actually did he attempted to commit suicide, obviously failed.
40:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, tried to stab himself.
40:29
SPEAKER_02: Was that what he did?
40:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think he did that week.
40:32
SPEAKER_02: How do you not accomplish that?
40:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, he has a trial on November 17th.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: Now remember, he did go to college and he defended himself.
40:43
SPEAKER_02: He claimed that he was never a lawyer and he never went to law school.
40:46
SPEAKER_02: Right.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: But he did okay.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: Like he liked cited a lot of previous cases and you know, cited the the Bible and things that really kind of touched the at the heartstrings of everyone in court.
40:58
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
40:59
SPEAKER_02: And there were two men in particular, Henry Brooke and Cobbum.
41:03
SPEAKER_02: I think it's how you say it, Cobum.
41:05
SPEAKER_02: Cobum.
41:06
SPEAKER_02: Um, they had signed confessions saying, yes, Walter was a part of the main plot and he's a traitor.
41:13
SPEAKER_02: Right.
41:13
SPEAKER_02: Now, these gentlemen signed this confession while under torture and later retracted their confessions.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: And this is what Walter used in his defense of, oh, so you're just gonna use these false accusations.
41:27
SPEAKER_02: And he said, let my accusers come fake come to me face to face.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: Like he kept saying, like, bring them in here then, bring the accusers into court, bring Henry Brooke in here and have him tell you again what happened this time.
41:39
SPEAKER_02: How about not being under torture?
41:41
SPEAKER_02: Right.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: And uh it was kind of a sticky situation because the jurors weren't like, well, this is unconventional.
41:47
SPEAKER_02: No, like we said you're a traitor and you're a traitor.
41:50
SPEAKER_02: Right.
41:50
SPEAKER_02: And they really didn't stand for the whole trial situation.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: I think this is one of the very few examples, though, where someone who was tried for treason for a murder plot or throwing um getting the king of England off the throne, he actually did a good job of defending himself and he didn't get a death sentence.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: Right, he was spared.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: He was spared.
42:14
SPEAKER_02: So I find that as a as a success for him.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: He was still put under house arrest.
42:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:21
SPEAKER_01: But he kept his life for a little bit longer.
42:23
SPEAKER_02: His house arrest is not your grimy chains and dirt type of house arrest.
42:31
SPEAKER_02: No.
42:31
SPEAKER_02: He is in the Tower of London and the quarters called the Bloody Tower.
42:37
SPEAKER_02: Now, of course, I have to mention this.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: For anyone who has been to the Tower of London, this is a really cool part that you can see because they really bring it all to life.
42:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, first of all, it was it wasn't a cell, it was more of an apartment.
42:52
SPEAKER_02: He had servants, his family, his his sons, um, his wife, Bess.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:59
SPEAKER_02: They can come in and out and come and visit him.
43:01
SPEAKER_02: Right.
43:02
SPEAKER_02: Of course, he couldn't leave and he lost that freedom, but he was there and he could write his poetry.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: He wrote a book.
43:08
SPEAKER_02: He wrote, it was called The History of the World.
43:12
SPEAKER_02: And it was a very big book that he spent years and years and years writing um based on the ancient world.
43:19
SPEAKER_02: Impressively enough, the history of the world was written in six languages.
43:24
SPEAKER_02: Did he write it in six languages?
43:26
SPEAKER_02: Oh, maybe not.
43:27
SPEAKER_02: Maybe I read that wrong.
43:28
SPEAKER_02: Because I didn't, I mean, I don't think he knew six languages.
43:30
SPEAKER_00: Maybe he knew two or three.
43:33
SPEAKER_02: And then other people rewrote it because it was at that age, yeah, at that era.
43:37
unknown: Hmm.
43:38
SPEAKER_02: He also had a beautiful garden, which, if you do go to the Tower of London, in tw in 2018, which is the 400 year um anniversary of his death, they recreated his garden.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: That is cool.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: And the garden is cool because he used it for medicinal purposes.
43:55
SPEAKER_02: He was growing rosemary and aloe vera and I think.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Tobacco.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Tobacco, probably.
44:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: He liked his pipe.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: He liked his tobacco.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like a lot of new world plants were brought there for him.
44:07
SPEAKER_02: And nobles would even come and visit him in the tower to get his potions, which is weird to me because James I was on such a crazy witch hunt for anybody who did this kind of thing.
44:19
SPEAKER_02: And yet, you know, he had his own garden that the yeoman just allowed him to have.
44:23
SPEAKER_02: He had so much power in the tower.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: I feel like he created like a little club of gardening with the prisoners.
44:30
SPEAKER_02: Probably.
44:30
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he was captain of the yeoman at one point.
44:33
SPEAKER_02: So, which is the King's Guard at the Tower of London.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: And um, yeah, it's just kind of like this funny image.
44:39
SPEAKER_02: And also when you go, it's really cool when it's set up because you know they have his desk and everything, so you can kind of be like, oh wow, this is the room he was in.
44:47
SPEAKER_02: This is where he lived for 15 years.
44:49
SPEAKER_02: And it's his actual desk that he Ooh, that is a good question.
44:53
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember.
44:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
44:54
SPEAKER_02: I was just like taking it all in.
44:56
SPEAKER_02: I remember if I I took no pictures of it too.
44:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm really mad at myself.
45:00
SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
45:00
SPEAKER_02: Um, but then you go up, and there was, I think it's called like Rally's Walk, or someone's gonna correct me.
45:06
SPEAKER_02: But there's like a little um bridge.
45:09
SPEAKER_02: So he would go up and get fresh air and go and look out over the Thames River, and like, you know, he had kind of like a backyard and upstairs.
45:15
SPEAKER_02: He had some, he had nice little living quarters, but he was there for 15 years.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a long time.
45:21
SPEAKER_01: It's like at that point, again, you'd almost rather death.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: You're like, well, especially him who's such an adventurer, you know, and likes to go out overseas.
45:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, but something funny happens in 1617.
45:33
SPEAKER_01: So at this point, he's again probably early 50s, and he is just randomly pardoned by the king.
45:40
SPEAKER_01: And the king says, Hey, like you've been in here long enough.
45:44
SPEAKER_01: How about you go try to find El Dorado again?
45:47
SPEAKER_01: So early 50s, Walter Raleigh's like, Great.
45:51
SPEAKER_01: So he is granted permission to return to Venezuela and search for El Dorado.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, so the king just gave him a couple conditions.
45:59
SPEAKER_01: He said, Okay, we know the Spanish are over there too, though.
46:02
SPEAKER_01: So please, please, we have a peace treaty with Spain.
46:06
SPEAKER_01: Do not attack the Spanish.
46:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh, cause trouble.
46:09
SPEAKER_01: No matter what you do, all I want you to do is go find El Dorado, let us know about it.
46:14
SPEAKER_01: We'll figure out like another expedition to go back and extract the gold, but don't injure.
46:19
SPEAKER_02: Why don't we picture like this little kid like itching to get out?
46:22
SPEAKER_02: And they're like, Okay, if you're good, if you promise to be good, we'll let you out.
46:27
SPEAKER_01: If you don't poke your sister, if you don't cause trouble in the backseat.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, so sure enough, he goes over.
46:35
SPEAKER_01: This actually wasn't really his fault, but his his men, the people he was with, decided to attack the Spanish.
46:43
SPEAKER_02: The very thing they're not supposed to the one thing we said don't do is attack the Spanish.
46:48
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
46:48
SPEAKER_01: So they were at the the Spanish outpost of Santo Toma.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, so he sure enough, his men do it, and he's like, I told you not to attack the Spanish.
46:59
SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, in this skirmish, too, his own son was actually killed.
47:03
SPEAKER_01: So again, this is not something that he himself led, or at least to our knowledge, he didn't, you know, start this little, this little uh this little attack, but it did violate the peace treaty.
47:16
SPEAKER_01: So sure enough, um, Count Gondomar, who is a Spanish diplomat, he's the one kind of like overseeing some of this these things that are happening in the new world with Spain, and he's like, Really, King James?
47:28
SPEAKER_01: He's like, James, you took this guy out of prison.
47:31
SPEAKER_01: This is the first thing he does.
47:32
SPEAKER_01: So he demanded that a death sentence be reinstated.
47:36
SPEAKER_01: So he's like, remember that treasonous charge?
47:38
SPEAKER_01: And this is when parole was created.
47:40
unknown: Yeah.
47:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he violated his parole.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, so King James at that point felt like he had to send Raleigh to the block.
47:51
SPEAKER_01: He's like, You're right.
47:52
SPEAKER_01: Like, he was already in charge for treason.
47:54
SPEAKER_01: We probably should have got him then, but we caged him up, let him out once, and now he's basically like starting a war with Spain.
48:01
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what it is with Walter.
48:03
SPEAKER_02: That's just like funny to me.
48:04
SPEAKER_02: I feel like he's such a little nuisance to the country.
48:06
SPEAKER_02: They're like, we don't know what to do with you guys.
48:08
SPEAKER_02: Like, buddy, you know, we tried just like keeping you in the tower for 15 years.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: Right.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: We gave you a chance, we we loosened your leash a little bit.
48:15
SPEAKER_02: Look what happened.
48:16
SPEAKER_02: I know.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh wait, fun fact, really quick.
48:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:19
SPEAKER_02: I read someplace where when the the one, I guess, like officer, I guess we can call him, the guy who actually led the attack against Walter's orders.
48:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:30
SPEAKER_02: And then he had to go and tell Walter, like, well, your son was actually killed as a part of this.
48:35
SPEAKER_02: He, I don't know how that conversation went down, but he ended up committing suicide after telling him.
48:41
SPEAKER_02: He felt like so ashamed.
48:42
SPEAKER_02: So like knew the consequences of what just happened.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: Right.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: On top of telling him and like, and your son died as a part of it.
48:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:49
SPEAKER_02: And you're probably gonna die because he's we just did the one thing he's uh not to do.
48:53
SPEAKER_02: I shall take my life now, sir.
48:55
SPEAKER_02: Like, how dramatic is that?
48:56
SPEAKER_02: That is very dramatic.
48:57
SPEAKER_02: He probably knew too, because he would probably also be arrested.
49:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was like, I'm done with this, I don't want to see where this goes.
49:03
SPEAKER_01: But what's I what I find interesting too is that you know, obviously he's arrested kind of in the new world, and he's taken back all the way across the ocean to England.
49:14
SPEAKER_01: You would think he would try to escape at some point.
49:17
SPEAKER_01: Where?
49:18
SPEAKER_01: In the ocean?
49:19
SPEAKER_01: Well, in the new world, like before he gets on the road.
49:21
SPEAKER_01: And with Roanoke?
49:22
SPEAKER_01: Or maybe he was too afraid of the Roanoke curse.
49:27
SPEAKER_01: But truly, like he at no point did he ever try to escape.
49:31
SPEAKER_02: Because he's not a coward, because he's Walter F and Raleigh.
49:34
SPEAKER_02: It's true.
49:35
SPEAKER_01: He is he is very virtuous and brave and dutiful, and it's like I think that was probably the last thing on his mind of like what opportunity can I can I escape here?
49:44
SPEAKER_01: Probably be friends with William Kidd.
49:46
SPEAKER_01: I feel like oh wait, William Kidd the drunkard.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: The yeah.
49:51
SPEAKER_01: The drunk pirate who couldn't even go to his death sober?
49:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh well, maybe not then.
49:56
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
49:57
SPEAKER_01: Because I see Walter as kind of a pirate.
49:59
SPEAKER_01: I do see him as a bit of a pirate.
50:00
SPEAKER_01: And people, again, definitely accused him of piracy.
50:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but I think you know I mean if your version of stealing lands and killing people and taking their plundering and pillaging is a form of piracy, then perhaps that could be seen as piracy.
50:16
SPEAKER_02: All of you and orange.
50:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's I've never I've also never heard orange and orange.
50:23
SPEAKER_01: I made that out.
50:24
SPEAKER_01: I didn't know the actual term.
50:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh, remember I made fun of you for let sleeping dogs lie.
50:28
SPEAKER_01: That's a term.
50:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I found out that was true.
50:30
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
50:31
SPEAKER_01: I asked somebody.
50:33
SPEAKER_02: I googled it afterwards and it was like the history of the term.
50:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he I was like, oh, did did have you ever heard that?
50:39
SPEAKER_01: I think she confused terms.
50:40
SPEAKER_01: He's like, I think you're confused.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: I was like, damn it.
50:42
SPEAKER_02: I love it when after the fact you admit that I was right.
50:46
SPEAKER_02: Of course.
50:47
SPEAKER_01: I don't claim to know everything most of the time.
50:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, anyway, so he's brought back to England at this point.
50:55
SPEAKER_00: So finally, the date is October 29th, 1618.
51:00
SPEAKER_00: And he's taken to the scaffold at Old Palace Yard.
51:05
SPEAKER_02: I feel like you're saying this like a bedtime story.
51:10
SPEAKER_01: Isn't it a calming story before bed again?
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Read the one about Old Palace Yard.
51:17
SPEAKER_01: Um So this is where he says a few things before he's actually taken up there.
51:24
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you want to pull up any of the quotes that did you haven't read.
51:28
SPEAKER_01: Well, we're not gonna recite all that.
51:30
SPEAKER_01: The important parts.
51:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I got some quotes here.
51:33
SPEAKER_01: So he said a few things um on the day of his execution.
51:37
SPEAKER_01: So he says to his executioner, let us dispatch.
51:40
SPEAKER_01: At this hour my a you comes upon me, which means like his fever's coming on.
51:44
SPEAKER_01: And he says, I would not have my enemies think I have quaked from fear.
51:50
SPEAKER_01: So finally he, you know, he goes up, he sees the the tool that is gonna be used to sever his head, and he says, This is his sharp medicine.
52:00
SPEAKER_01: But it is a physician for all diseases and miseries.
52:04
SPEAKER_02: How poetic.
52:05
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he was a poet.
52:06
SPEAKER_02: I mean he wrote a lot of poetry, he had 15 years to yeah, over a decade, decade and a half.
52:10
SPEAKER_02: He's an actual Taylor Swift.
52:12
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, get out of here.
52:14
SPEAKER_01: She's a poet.
52:15
SPEAKER_01: Do you think that's what she would say at her execution?
52:18
SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
52:18
SPEAKER_01: This is a sharp medicine.
52:20
SPEAKER_01: And the last thing he said was like the executioner was kind of taking his time, seeing if he had anything else to say, and he finally says, and these are his last words, what does thou sphere?
52:30
SPEAKER_01: Strike, man strike.
52:32
SPEAKER_01: Wow, and then he's he striked.
52:33
SPEAKER_00: And then he striked and it took two blows of the axe to actually sever his head.
52:40
SPEAKER_01: But he went on with bravery, he was not afraid of death, he, you know, had a lot of things to say leading up, and he even had something to say after his death, uh, because he had um a friend who went to his cell to kind of take the last of his belongings, and he found this small tobacco pouch uh that was in his cell, and it had a little Latin inscription on it, and the inscription translated to It was my companion at that most miserable time.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: Which is also a really nice thing to put on like a flask, I think.
53:11
SPEAKER_02: A flask or a wine glass or something.
53:15
SPEAKER_02: Um so so this is where it gets a little bit weird.
53:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:19
SPEAKER_02: So his head was embalmed and then presented to his wife, good old Bess.
53:23
SPEAKER_02: Bess took the head.
53:25
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Bess Bess has been by Walter's side through thick and thin.
53:29
SPEAKER_02: She still visited him throughout prison.
53:31
SPEAKER_02: She was pregnant several couple times throughout him being in prison.
53:35
SPEAKER_02: So conjugal visit.
53:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:37
SPEAKER_02: And she was clearly very in love with her husband because they married for love and not for money or being told that they had to.
53:45
SPEAKER_02: Right.
53:46
SPEAKER_02: So she takes his head, and it is said that she carried it around with her in a velvet pouch until she died 29 years later.
53:59
SPEAKER_02: Like everywhere she went, she had this purse, this velvet had to be pretty large.
54:04
SPEAKER_02: I imagine.
54:05
SPEAKER_02: And a little heavy, like a bowling ball.
54:08
SPEAKER_01: And he still had like hair and beard and everything, too.
54:11
SPEAKER_01: So I'm sure that's like protruding out at times.
54:14
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it wasn't bomb, so it wasn't rotting and it didn't smell.
54:18
SPEAKER_01: But embalming only can go so far, right?
54:19
SPEAKER_01: But it can't last 29 years.
54:21
SPEAKER_02: Supposedly they shared this story at the yeoman tour as well at the Tower of Lindsay.
54:27
SPEAKER_02: What'd they say?
54:28
SPEAKER_02: Exactly that.
54:29
SPEAKER_02: That his wife carried around his head for the rest of her life.
54:34
SPEAKER_02: So, like, imagine like trying to be this girl's friend, and she's like, like, oh god, here's Bess again with her dead husband's head.
54:42
SPEAKER_02: Bess won't leave that bag at home.
54:44
SPEAKER_02: Like, Bess, you're embarrassing us.
54:46
SPEAKER_01: Just leave the head at home.
54:47
SPEAKER_01: She likes goes to dinner with her girlfriends.
54:49
SPEAKER_01: It's like why night on Tuesday.
54:52
SPEAKER_01: And the head is there.
54:52
SPEAKER_01: And the head is there.
54:53
SPEAKER_02: Walters was with her until the very end.
54:56
SPEAKER_02: She never wanted to be parted from him.
54:58
SPEAKER_02: This bitch had some mental issues.
55:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:01
SPEAKER_02: Let it go.
55:02
SPEAKER_02: That is a bit strange.
55:03
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't until after she died that they reunited the head and re-buried the head with the rest of his body.
55:10
SPEAKER_02: That's pretty dark.
55:12
SPEAKER_02: I kind of like it.
55:14
SPEAKER_01: Can she at least have shrunken it?
55:15
SPEAKER_01: So it's like a shrunken head.
55:17
SPEAKER_02: Put on a necklace or something.
55:19
SPEAKER_01: She goes to the new world, gets it shrunk, comes back, easier to hang, easier to put around.
55:26
SPEAKER_02: And that is the story of Sir Walter Raleigh and his sick ass wife carrying his head around in a velvet bag.
55:33
SPEAKER_02: Sick ass bess.
55:35
SPEAKER_02: I do like this story because he's like a strapping guy, he's an adventurer, he's a poet, he's a writer, he's clearly like in love and has a lot of passion and feeling and brave.
55:47
SPEAKER_02: He's a Renaissance man.
55:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's very, he's very much a renaissance man.
55:51
SPEAKER_02: Right.
55:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I also love this story because they've kept his history so alive at the Tower of London where he can still go to his apartment that he lived in.
55:59
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: It's just like because how many people actually get their own apartment with a display that's like so-and-so was here, and this is all their belongings, and you know, that's like pretty rare.
56:10
SPEAKER_02: And here's his garden that we've recreated, and this was his living quarters.
56:13
SPEAKER_02: Right.
56:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, interesting enough, the bloody tower is the same tower where the lost princes lived in and disappeared, aka were murdered inside that tower as well.
56:25
SPEAKER_02: So this tower itself has a lot of history.
56:28
SPEAKER_02: Sure, yeah.
56:28
SPEAKER_02: Of course they call it the Bloody Tower.
56:30
SPEAKER_02: Right.
56:30
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I just feel like he's really he's like probably I know he's probably not the longest residence at the Tower of London, but I feel like he's up there where he just called it home.
56:40
SPEAKER_02: Like I could imagine him like with his little flowers and setting it on the windowsill and like sprucing up the place and sweeping.
56:46
SPEAKER_02: Sweeping.
56:47
SPEAKER_02: And you know, it was his it was his home in a sad way that he must have been so stressed out not knowing how he was gonna leave.
56:55
SPEAKER_02: Then imagine getting that passive freedom and then being thrown right back in.
57:01
SPEAKER_01: He definitely became, you know, a bit more introverted and a little bit more recl reclusive, obviously, if you're alone for so long.
57:08
SPEAKER_01: Um, but he seemed somewhat content.
57:10
SPEAKER_01: Obviously, the garden helped his mental health and kind of gave him something to look forward to every day.
57:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
57:15
SPEAKER_01: But that is tough to be thrown in and out and not sure if you're ever getting your freedom or just have to wait for the next monarch, or or who knows what you wait for at that point.
57:23
SPEAKER_02: James just that was not in his favor of luck.
57:27
SPEAKER_01: No.
57:27
SPEAKER_02: Which maybe he was a part of the plot and wanted Arabella could have been thrown, you know?
57:32
SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
57:32
SPEAKER_01: Um it is generally seen though that his execution was, you know, unnecessary and not deserving.
57:39
SPEAKER_01: There, you know, a lot of people obviously because of you know what they've done at the tower for him and everything, yeah, a lot of people believe that he was innocent and that he didn't really deserve that kind of end.
57:48
SPEAKER_02: And I think people got to know him, and he actually had a lot of supporters and friends who didn't want to see that end for him.
57:54
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I I agree.
57:55
SPEAKER_02: I think it was unnecessary.
57:57
SPEAKER_02: Um, but the guy he tried.
57:59
SPEAKER_02: He tried.
58:00
SPEAKER_02: Maybe maybe they should have just left him in one of the foreign lands.
58:03
SPEAKER_01: Maybe he did find the city of gold, and then he left clues for you to go find the gold yourself.
58:09
SPEAKER_02: I like this.
58:10
SPEAKER_02: A little bit of national treasure.
58:12
SPEAKER_02: Someone just came back from Philadelphia.
58:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:16
SPEAKER_01: All I wanted to do was to see Liberty Bell, damn it.
58:20
SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, where are all the clues so I could find the national treasure?
58:24
SPEAKER_01: They're like, this is South Philly.
58:26
SPEAKER_01: Just kidding.
58:28
SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, Elizabeth, good story.
58:31
SPEAKER_02: Any final words?
58:33
SPEAKER_00: Strike man, strike.
58:36
SPEAKER_00: Okay.