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Best of Ian Furness 10/27 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: We're back. Welcome in.
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  Speaker 2: Again, big news. Seahawks training for Quentin Nelson. We'll get
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  Speaker 2: more on that in a little bit. Seahawks, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: do not have a media availability until Thursday. The normal
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday one pushed back because of Monday Night Football. We
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  Speaker 2: won't hear anything from the Seahawks more than likely until Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Good for them. They can get Quentin Nelson in the building.
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  Speaker 2: He's cramming for exams right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a lot of... learning to do. We'll get
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  Speaker 2: more on that a little bit later on. Kim Grenell
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  Speaker 2: joins us right now. Dogman.com. I said, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: I said, I want to get this. How did I
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  Speaker 2: describe Kim last segment? That he gives you a hard,
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  Speaker 2: I said, I like Kim. I like having him on. He's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's condescending towards me, but I like that.
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  Speaker 2: That's okay. I can deal with it. Cause we have
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  Speaker 2: good conversations. How are you, man?
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  Speaker 3: I'm never condescending towards you, except that you want to
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  Speaker 3: stop by the Classic on.
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  Speaker 4: The way home.
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  Speaker 1: Don't. Just don't.
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  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Don't stop by the Classic? Are you telling me no?
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  Speaker 6: Really?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 7: No. Wow. No.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Softie and I are going to make a
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  Speaker 2: trip there. Softie and I are going to do a
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  Speaker 2: road trip together there.
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 2: You say no, huh?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see. We'll see. Hey, I'm bringing this up
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  Speaker 2: with Alex Brink and M. Crystal Bruce later, and instead
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  Speaker 2: of just going through games like we do every week—
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  Speaker 2: As a college football fan, I'm looking around, and with
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  Speaker 2: the context and the preface of we all know that
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  Speaker 2: the moves that the four schools from the Pac-12 had
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  Speaker 2: to do to go to the Big Ten, well, two
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  Speaker 2: of them did it, and then everybody else had to
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  Speaker 2: kind of follow suit and just jump on for a lifeboat.
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  Speaker 2: But with half shares and everything else, that's one thing.
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  Speaker 2: The money's one thing. But I would ask you, how
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  Speaker 2: has the Big Ten been so far?
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  Speaker 4: Road trips have been interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Like one guy told me when we were at the
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  Speaker 3: championship game and just getting into the Big Ten, he
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  Speaker 3: said all of these Big Ten road trips are going
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  Speaker 3: to be fun. once it just seems like all of
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  Speaker 3: them you have to drive you have to fly somewhere
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  Speaker 3: to drive somewhere but with that being said the passion
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  Speaker 3: in the big 10 when you go to a purdue
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  Speaker 3: like we were last week and it was sold out
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  Speaker 3: and it was pretty crazy in there and uh ohio
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  Speaker 3: state michigan penn state 110 000 people you know that's
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  Speaker 3: another thing penn state i don't know if you've ever
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  Speaker 3: been there ian Penn state makes Pullman look like a suburb.
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  Speaker 4: It is absolutely in the middle of nowhere.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you fly into, you fly into Pittsburgh. That's
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  Speaker 3: the closest place of which you want to go to Harrisburg,
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  Speaker 3: which is still an hour and a half out. You
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  Speaker 3: have to change planes, but the drive from Pittsburgh to
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  Speaker 3: state college, I'm sure you've seen the Sopranos, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the woods where they, you know, the woods where they
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  Speaker 3: bury the bodies.
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  Speaker 4: That's what it looks like the whole way up there.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The whole way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Nice.
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  Speaker 4: It's been interesting.
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  Speaker 3: And I, you know, I told you that, You know,
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  Speaker 3: going to basketball media day the past couple of years
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  Speaker 3: and going to football media the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: These West Coast schools, you know, the Big Ten schools
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  Speaker 3: kind of look at you like you're the new guy
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  Speaker 3: in high school.
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  Speaker 4: Who are you? Where'd you come from? Oh, over there.
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  Speaker 1: Back of the line.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think that the Pac-12 schools have been
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  Speaker 3: fully accepted by those in the Big Ten. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the time time change difference doesn't help at all either.
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  Speaker 4: But it's it's been interesting.
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  Speaker 2: There's 10 schools in the Big Ten right now that
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  Speaker 2: their attendance is down from a year ago. And there
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  Speaker 2: are five of those, I believe, that are down more
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  Speaker 2: than single digits, that are double digit down. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if that's the lack of true rivalries that
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  Speaker 2: exist anymore. If you're really good, you don't care, i.e. Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: They're up, obviously. And they're playing to capacity and then some.
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  Speaker 2: Oregon is actually down a little bit, and they're going
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  Speaker 2: to really go down, I think, in the next couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks. What's the biggest problem in your mind as
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  Speaker 2: someone that covers this sport a lot? What's the biggest
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  Speaker 2: problem in your mind, not just Big Ten, but just
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  Speaker 2: with college sports right now as a whole?
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  Speaker 3: Lack of continuity, lack of being able to relate to
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the players when the roster's turning over
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  Speaker 3: like it is. Actually, I'm at the scene of the
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  Speaker 3: crime from Sunday where Washington State defeated the Huskies on
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  Speaker 3: Sunday in an exhibition game, but They've got like 11,
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  Speaker 3: 12 players that are new.
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  Speaker 4: Players don't even know who they are.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, that lack of connection there, I think
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  Speaker 3: really hurts. Just some of the, I think that's the
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  Speaker 3: biggest thing, the lack of a connection. But on the
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  Speaker 3: other hand, it used to be, if you lost one game,
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  Speaker 3: you're out of it. A lot more teams are still
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  Speaker 3: in it after one loss, after two loss, and even
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  Speaker 3: three loss, you're still.
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  Speaker 4: In the game. And when you take a look.
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  Speaker 3: At the TV ratings for last year's playoff, they were
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  Speaker 3: through the roof.
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  Speaker 10: So.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of give and take. I think
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  Speaker 3: as long as your team is doing well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the attendance is going.
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  Speaker 1: To be good.
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  Speaker 3: Washington's not having a great year, but they're still averaging
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  Speaker 3: 64,000 people a game so far this year.
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  Speaker 7: So I think it's good on one hand, not so.
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  Speaker 4: Good on the other.
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  Speaker 3: I really like, I mean, you remember this, Ian, if
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  Speaker 3: you lost one game, you were just out of it.
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  Speaker 3: You're just completely out of it. And that's not true anymore.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which is true, I think, and everyone's got a different mindset, too,
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  Speaker 2: about what a successful season is. That's kind of the
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  Speaker 2: other part, right? Like, it's sometimes you're like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're not going to play for a national championship.
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  Speaker 2: We probably never were going to play for a national championship,
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  Speaker 2: but we're going to play for a Rose Bowl, or
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  Speaker 2: we're going to play for a Holiday Bowl, or we're
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  Speaker 2: going to play for this. Those days, obviously, are long
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  Speaker 2: gone and probably never to return, especially with You know,
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  Speaker 2: 24-team playoff and their access changes, and you can make arguments.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's people who say, well, it ruins a
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  Speaker 2: regular season, like my buddy Stuart Mandel. There's others that
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  Speaker 2: say it helps because you're still in it in November
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  Speaker 2: when normally in the past you wouldn't be in it.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the thing I wonder is roster continuity is
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  Speaker 2: one thing. I think that has really hurt.
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  Speaker 9: Huge.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's hurt the passion for most. Again,
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  Speaker 2: not everybody. There's a lot of schools across the country
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  Speaker 2: that are doing just fine. But I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of other schools. You just mentioned basketball. Like, you
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  Speaker 2: just have no clue. Like, that exhibition game with Wazoo
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  Speaker 2: in Washington, I looked at the box score late, and
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  Speaker 2: I love college basketball. I'm like, who? Outside of LaJuan
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  Speaker 2: Watts that's there, that's gone now his fourth school, right? Eastern, Wazoo,
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, Washington. Like, I don't know who those guys are. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's really strange. And I think my biggest thing, and
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to get your thoughts on this. You mentioned
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  Speaker 2: roster continuity. Neuheisel talked about it today a little bit
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  Speaker 2: as well. The thing I just can't stand, I think
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  Speaker 2: I'll never be able to wrap my arms around is this.
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  Speaker 2: I just hate the fact that in college football, college athletics,
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  Speaker 2: college basketball, hell, you can go high-level non-revenue sports. You
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  Speaker 2: as a fan are being asked to pay for a salary.
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  Speaker 2: We joked about it earlier. Can you imagine Seahawks trade
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  Speaker 2: for Quentin Nelson and the Seahawks say, well, if you're
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  Speaker 2: a good 12, you've got to help pay Quentin Nelson's salary.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot wrap my arms around that, but yet that's
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  Speaker 2: where we are right now, Kim.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the other interesting thing is, you know, with Washington,
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  Speaker 3: Oregon receiving half shares, but then you have a school
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  Speaker 3: like Oregon who's making up that difference because they have
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  Speaker 3: Phil Knight, you know, funding that. Washington doesn't have a
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  Speaker 3: Phil Knight. And then you take a look at Utah,
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  Speaker 3: and that's a school to really keep an eye on.
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  Speaker 3: They sold out to private equity to the tune of
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  Speaker 3: $ 500 million. And I heard you talking a little bit
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  Speaker 3: about that Pat McAfee being upset, you know, with their
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  Speaker 3: social media team. Well, guess who has an interest in
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  Speaker 3: that social media team? Private equity. You think they're happy
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  Speaker 3: about that? That's great publicity for them. So keep an
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  Speaker 3: eye on that.
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  Speaker 7: LSU's got some private equity money, it sounds like too.
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  Speaker 4: And you know this as well as I do.
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  Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that concerns me about
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  Speaker 3: the new Seahawk ownership with the private equity. They're not
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  Speaker 3: gifting money like Phil Knight. They're expecting a return.
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  Speaker 7: So, you know, it's one thing, you know, where's all
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  Speaker 7: this going?
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  Speaker 3: We've got the Save College Sports Act that's passed the Senate.
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  Speaker 3: But once it goes to the House of Representatives, if
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  Speaker 3: it passes, what else is added to it and what
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  Speaker 3: does it look like? And that's what it sounds like
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  Speaker 3: Washington is hanging their hat on is that passing. But
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  Speaker 3: what is what's it going to look like? And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the other thing is that they're going to limit one transfer.
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  Speaker 3: What do you do with a player where he can't
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  Speaker 3: transfer again? No, we're only going to pay you half
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  Speaker 3: of what you want.
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  Speaker 4: You can't transfer. There's a lot of things to be
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  Speaker 4: worked out.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting times, there's a lot of chaos right now.
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  Speaker 2: I'll wrap it up with this. KimGranalsDogman.com. Do you feel,
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  Speaker 2: and I guess this is hard because a lot of
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  Speaker 2: it's based on wins and losses, but even going into
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  Speaker 2: a season, and basketball may be the best example that
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  Speaker 2: you just brought up, but do you feel as if
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  Speaker 2: there is still the same passion top to bottom by
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  Speaker 2: the fan base that there always has been? Or do
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  Speaker 2: you think the fact that we don't know who the
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  Speaker 2: players are, we don't know who's coming, who's going, fans
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  Speaker 2: stressed out? Like I just mentioned earlier, if you're Washington,
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  Speaker 2: I played Amon Williams all day.
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  Speaker 9: You know why?
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  Speaker 2: Not because of the NIL. Elijah Brown, do you think
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  Speaker 2: Kirk Segnetti couldn't use Elijah Brown right now? Like, like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, right. Like, like you worry about who you're
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  Speaker 2: going to lose every year. You don't want to lose guys. That's,
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  Speaker 2: I just wondered if you feel, cause you guys have subscribers.
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  Speaker 2: Do you still feel the same passion that you did three,
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  Speaker 2: four years ago?
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  Speaker 4: When they're winning. I mean, when Kalen was here, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: But going through the year where they had to transfer
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  Speaker 3: over to Jed Fish, yeah, we definitely lost some momentum.
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  Speaker 3: And when the team going into the season, I think
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  Speaker 3: there was a lot of passion and some of that's lost.
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  Speaker 4: But, you know, also we're in a big city.
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  Speaker 3: The competition for the sports dollar here is different than
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  Speaker 3: it is in Iowa City, than it is in Lincoln, Nebraska,
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  Speaker 3: than it is in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of competition for that sports dollar, not
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  Speaker 3: only from the fan, but corporate sponsors as well.
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: I'm here in Washington. They just aren't getting the corporate
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  Speaker 3: money as they once were. If you're a corporation, you
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  Speaker 3: want to invest in the Mariners, Washington, Seahawks.
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  Speaker 4: Where are you going to spend.
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  Speaker 3: Those corporate dollars? But again, I think in Midwest schools
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  Speaker 3: where that's the only game in town.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right. I think the passion is there.
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  Speaker 3: Even where Danny Sprinkle came from in Utah at Utah state,
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  Speaker 3: you talk Iowa state where, you know, they sell out
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  Speaker 3: every game, but I think a lot of it has
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  Speaker 3: to do with the market and the team's that have
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  Speaker 3: always drawn well are still drawing well. And schools like Washington, USC, UCLA,
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  Speaker 3: where they have a little bit more of a fickle
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  Speaker 3: fan base.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're seeing more and more of that.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe there's a little bit more where we're at
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  Speaker 3: that you're seeing, but if you go back to some
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  Speaker 3: of these other schools, uh, I think every bit as
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  Speaker 3: much passion that.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe some stabilization will come at some point with whatever
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  Speaker 2: decisions are made, whether it be by Congress or elsewhere. And, and, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I get the thing with the kids wanting to transfer,
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  Speaker 2: but my God, there's no reason you should be playing
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  Speaker 2: at three schools in three years or four schools in
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: four years. I mean, I don't think we need to
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: go back to the dark days of you can't transfer
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  Speaker 2: in conference or you lose two years of eligibility, whatever
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  Speaker 2: the old Pac-10 rule was or what have you. But man,
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  Speaker 2: make a decision. No other sport, Kim, has unlimited free agency.
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  Speaker 2: You know, where you can just go.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's just like coaches as well.
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  Speaker 4: You don't go out and coach an NFL coach.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing, yeah. You do college football.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's how you, honestly, that should be an easy fix.
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  Speaker 2: That should be the easiest fix of all where every
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: conference just comes together, whether you call it collusion or not.
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  Speaker 2: Just say, look, you can't poach a coach, especially in season.
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  Speaker 2: Like if a coach is under contract, he's under contract,
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  Speaker 2: the buyouts are a joke. That does nothing, right? And that's,
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: you know, when people say, well, the coaches can go anywhere. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they can. There's a buyout. It doesn't matter. We've always
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: joked about that. Mike McDonald had a great year. Jerry
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: Jones just offered him a zillion dollars because the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: were for sale and there's nobody to mine the store.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't happen in any other sport.
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  Speaker 4: It happens.
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  Speaker 11: No.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: No, it's wild. Interesting times in college sports for sure.
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  Speaker 7: You know, just one other thing.
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  Speaker 3: Take a look at the price for volleyball tickets for Nebraska-Washington.
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  Speaker 4: It's insane.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, Nebraska people, they don't have another game in town.
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  Speaker 3: Tickets are going for $ 300 and $ 400. I think Nebraska
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  Speaker 3: fans bought out Heck Ed for Washington-Nebraska volleyball in November.
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  Speaker 2: When is that? Oh, November? Coming up in November?
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  Speaker 4: Sometime in November, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: November's crazy for volleyball, aren't they? Yeah, they play the
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  Speaker 2: outdoor games and all that kind of stuff. All right,
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  Speaker 2: my friend. Go do your job. I appreciate you coming on.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll take your advice on the Classic. I'll pass
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  Speaker 2: it along to Softy. We'll see if we adhere to
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  Speaker 2: it or not.
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  Speaker 4: Softy will love it.
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  Speaker 2: See you, buddy. Take care. Kim Grenells from Dogman. Good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Good conversation there. We'll come back and wrap up first hour.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: A lot more to get to, including the Quinton Nelson
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: trade with the Seahawks. All coming up in 93.3 KJRFM. Well,
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: the big news today is the Seahawks acquired three-time All-Pro
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: guard Quentin Nelson from the Indianapolis Colts. A third-round pick
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  Speaker 2: next year and a fifth-round pick in two years in 2028. Packers, Bears,
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: and Eagles, according to ESPN and all the insiders, are
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  Speaker 2: also showing interest in Nelson. He's made the Pro Bowl
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  Speaker 2: in each of his first eight seasons since they drafted
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  Speaker 2: him sixth overall out of Notre Dame in 2018. He's
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  Speaker 2: got three first-team All-Pro nods in that time as well.
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  Speaker 2: That puts you on path to be in Canton, Ohio
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  Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame, by the way. The Pro
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: Bowls are one thing. First-team All-Pro, that makes you a
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. You start getting multiple of those, you're
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: in consideration and right up there for Canton, Ohio. He's
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: only played left guard over his first nine seasons. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: last year's first-round pick, Gray Zabel, is Seattle's starting left guard.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: Anthony Bradford, Seattle starting right guard, just came back from injury.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got a guard log jam for Seattle as well.
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  Speaker 2: All right, is he there? He's there. All right, I
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: don't know anything, and he'll tell me I don't know
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: anything about offensive line or really football as a whole,
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  Speaker 2: so I figured I'll just see if he knows anything.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: He can do it publicly right here. Some guy named
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: Kiefer Furness, my kid. Last time I think you were
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: on was during the draft a couple years ago when
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: they picked up Graze Abel. What's going on, fella?
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  Speaker 10: I am doing absolutely fantastic today. Quentin Nelson, you are
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  Speaker 10: a Seahawk. I couldn't be more thrilled.
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  Speaker 2: Why is he so good?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, you said it yourself. He is a
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  Speaker 10: future Hall of Famer. So adding that to a roster
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  Speaker 10: really helps on any team. But, you know, he brings
• 14:16
  Speaker 10: so much to the table. We talked about wide zone,
• 14:18
  Speaker 10: brief over text. What he can do in the run
• 14:21
  Speaker 10: game is truly just something that nobody else can do
• 14:24
  Speaker 10: in the NFL. It's very few guys that have done
• 14:26
  Speaker 10: that in the NFL. And then in the past game
• 14:29
  Speaker 10: as well, I mean, he's just different. He has a
• 14:32
  Speaker 10: vision that, go ahead, if you want to ask a question.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, talk about his vision. No, talk about
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: his vision.
• 14:38
  Speaker 10: When thinking about offensive linemen, it's kind of weird to
• 14:42
  Speaker 10: think about their vision and what they're really looking for.
• 14:45
  Speaker 10: Something that doesn't get brought up much. But when I
• 14:48
  Speaker 10: think of Quinn Nelson, I was just thinking about it earlier.
• 14:50
  Speaker 10: When you see a guy like Jokic in the NBA
• 14:52
  Speaker 10: and he makes these weird passes, you're like, he's got
• 14:54
  Speaker 10: eyes in the back of his head, that kind of thing.
• 14:56
  Speaker 10: Quentin Nelson is exactly what that is. He's seeing guys
• 15:00
  Speaker 10: rush from the other side of the line. You look
• 15:02
  Speaker 10: up Quentin Nelson highlights, like, how did he see that guy?
• 15:05
  Speaker 10: He just has a different, different eyes on him that
• 15:08
  Speaker 10: nobody else has. And I think that's going to be
• 15:10
  Speaker 10: brought to the Seahawks and end up helping the rest
• 15:13
  Speaker 10: of the line. He can help graze able. You can help,
• 15:15
  Speaker 10: you know, the guys next to him. I think I'm
• 15:17
  Speaker 10: pretty sure he'll play left guard with us. So I think,
• 15:20
  Speaker 10: you know, he'll help Josh Jones when he's in there.
• 15:22
  Speaker 10: So it's really going to be helpful all around.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: When, when, What are you looking for in traits for
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: a lineman in wide zone, especially an interior lineman?
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Effort.
• 15:35
  Speaker 10: That's something that is carried across any kind of run
• 15:39
  Speaker 10: game is truly the effort they put in. You can
• 15:42
  Speaker 10: kind of get away with pass blocking. If you just
• 15:44
  Speaker 10: get a guy locked up and maybe you've got a
• 15:46
  Speaker 10: double team going somewhere, you can kind of get away
• 15:48
  Speaker 10: with it and be a little lazier, but not Quinn Nelson.
• 15:52
  Speaker 10: In the run game, he is sprinting. anywhere he's going,
• 15:56
  Speaker 10: he is not just hobbling and kind of waddling. No,
• 16:00
  Speaker 10: he is sprinting. And you can go back and see
• 16:03
  Speaker 10: interviews with him over his career. And he talks heavily about,
• 16:06
  Speaker 10: you know, always being right there behind the running back
• 16:09
  Speaker 10: and trying to recover a fumble, you know, any kind
• 16:12
  Speaker 10: of thing that might happen or go wrong.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: He's there to just clean it up.
• 16:15
  Speaker 10: That's something that's very valuable. Something that's not really, you know,
• 16:19
  Speaker 10: that prevalent in a lot of NFL linemen. And I
• 16:22
  Speaker 10: think it's just important that you have someone like that's
• 16:24
  Speaker 10: going to bring up the morale of everyone around.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Him he he in the wide zone is it athleticism
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: too or is it footwork what is.
• 16:31
  Speaker 10: It yep all the above i mean he's got everything
• 16:35
  Speaker 10: that's that's exactly what you're looking for and then what
• 16:37
  Speaker 10: i said on top of it is like you can
• 16:39
  Speaker 10: be you know the most athletic guy in the world
• 16:42
  Speaker 10: but if you're not going to be putting the effort
• 16:43
  Speaker 10: and sprinting and running your butt off, then it's not
• 16:46
  Speaker 10: going to matter anyway.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: How different is left guard from right guard? Let's just
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: use Zabel for a second. I hear this even with tackles.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: We've seen Penny Sewell move from right tackle to left
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: tackle in the NFL, and it's been okay better. It's
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: been better lately, but it feels like there's a transition.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Let's say Gray Zabel moves to right guard. What kind
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: of transition is that for him, for the center, and
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: for the right tackle?
• 17:11
  Speaker 10: I think Gray Zabel could do it pretty flawlessly. I mean,
• 17:15
  Speaker 10: he's done well. I know he struggled a little bit
• 17:17
  Speaker 10: this year, but he's been a very good NFL guard.
• 17:19
  Speaker 10: And moving from left to right as a guard is
• 17:23
  Speaker 10: not that tricky. I mean, you're swapping your feet, but
• 17:25
  Speaker 10: your stance is almost, you know, you're almost even with
• 17:28
  Speaker 10: your other foot anyway. You're not in a tackles stance where,
• 17:33
  Speaker 10: you know, you see those tackles with their feet, you know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 10: an extra three feet.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Behind the other one.
• 17:37
  Speaker 10: These like quick, quick step stances and these big dropbacks
• 17:42
  Speaker 10: for edge rushers. At guard, you're not really doing that.
• 17:45
  Speaker 10: So I truly think Gray's able can swap if needed to, or,
• 17:48
  Speaker 10: I mean, even make the switch to center. I know
• 17:50
  Speaker 10: people have been gossiping about that and, you know, maybe
• 17:53
  Speaker 10: Sundell gets bumped out. We'll see, but he's been great
• 17:55
  Speaker 10: for us. So I'm very curious to see what they.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Do with him. Fellow, you wouldn't move. You wouldn't change
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: centers all the week of a game, would you?
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I forgot.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: If a guy's only just developed like, like maybe next year,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: that might be the next year thing or cause you
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: wouldn't do that. Like the week of a game, right?
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a whole different, he did it like
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: in the senior bowl, but they wouldn't do that this week.
• 18:13
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 18:15
  Speaker 10: No, I wouldn't see it this week. I think that's
• 18:17
  Speaker 10: something that they just work into. And I'm sure he's
• 18:19
  Speaker 10: probably worked reps at it over the past anyway. But
• 18:22
  Speaker 10: I think that's something that they might be looking forward
• 18:24
  Speaker 10: in the future. I mean, maybe they sign Nelson to
• 18:27
  Speaker 10: an extension afterwards and they want to keep him around.
• 18:29
  Speaker 10: And maybe you just move Zabel to the middle and
• 18:33
  Speaker 10: make him this commander that they want him to be.
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: I mean, they're very high on him, as they should be.
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: And if they want to make him the commander of
• 18:40
  Speaker 10: the offensive line, I think that's a great investment.
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 18:43
  Speaker 10: There's something to look forward to in the future, but
• 18:44
  Speaker 10: if they move him to guard, then I love that too.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: What about Bradford? You saw him play last week, and
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I know he was kind of everyone's like, everyone just
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: was ripping Bradford last year, then all of a sudden
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: this year he's out, and people are like, God, I
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: can't wait for Anthony Bradford to come back. So you've
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: got three guards. We'll assume Nelson's the left guard moving ahead.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: You've got three. What do you do with Anthony Bradford?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Because there has to be a value there. Let's say
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: they don't trade him because people are saying, well, maybe
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: they're going to trade him and so forth. What does
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Bradford bring to the table?
• 19:12
  Speaker 10: You know, I was maybe, I don't know if I
• 19:16
  Speaker 10: really was, I was maybe in the hating train of
• 19:19
  Speaker 10: Bradford a little bit. But when he came back, I mean,
• 19:23
  Speaker 10: he proved a lot of people wrong. I think just
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: having that chemistry on an O-line and a veteran, the
• 19:29
  Speaker 10: guy that's been around for a little bit, when he
• 19:31
  Speaker 10: comes back in and then just kind of, you know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 10: everything just clicks. I mean, you may not just be
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: watching Bradford every play, but you see the offense, you
• 19:39
  Speaker 10: see how they operate. And, you know, even just getting
• 19:41
  Speaker 10: more time in the pocket for, for Sam and for
• 19:43
  Speaker 10: him to be more confident. I mean, it changed everything.
• 19:45
  Speaker 10: So I don't think they're going to get rid of him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: I'm curious to see what they do. Maybe, you know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 10: maybe he's able just learns from Nelson and, you know,
• 19:53
  Speaker 10: they can move forward from there. But I think Bradford
• 19:56
  Speaker 10: is is a key component, whether he's on the field
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: or not. And then him in the run game is
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: has been very helpful for the Seahawks. So I'm curious
• 20:05
  Speaker 10: to see. what they really do with him, but I
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: think they'll keep him around just as a player or chemistry-wise.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: He's valuable.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Admittedly, you haven't been in an NFL meeting room, but
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: how long do you think it takes a guy like
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Quentin Nelson to be comfortable with the offense? Could they
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: put him out there on Monday?
• 20:25
  Speaker 10: You know, I would say yes. I think a lot
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: of schemes have different names and teams might say something else,
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: but the concepts are all the exact same. I mean,
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: Quentin Nelson... he's a smart guy. He's going to be okay.
• 20:38
  Speaker 10: So I would be shocked if he wasn't playing.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: So five days, he can, he can learn what he
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: needs to learn in terms of the plays.
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: I mean, he's already probably got the whole playbook emailed
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: to him, whatever he's studying, all he's moving. So I'm
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: sure he he'll be dialed in, in two days.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: The fellow go back to the, the, the, the zone
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: run game. Is that basically what Seattle only does? And,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to just go back that, Because I
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: hear about the reach blocks. It feels like Zabel's missed
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: with some of those this year. Is that something that
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: he's missed on? Is that just something the offensive line
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: has missed on? What is it about the reach blocks
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: or some of the things that we've seen where it
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: looks like Seattle's offensive line has struggled this year that
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: you think Nelson is going to help them with?
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: Well, I think a lot of the times with reach
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: blocks and these wide zones that Seattle's trying to run,
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: it's kind.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Of those things where you're.
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: Every single person next to you. You know, it's not
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: just like you have your assignment, but you're trusting that
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: the guy to your left and right are going to
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: block their guy and not cross paths with you. And
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: if they do cross and they run some kind of
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: stun against it, that you guys know that you're going
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: to pick up each other's guy. So I think it's
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: a lot of just kind of building that chemistry and
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: getting reps in together that you're going to pick up
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: the right man. You're not going to let just one
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: guy get free because he crossed your path, but you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: trusting that your team is going to pick him up
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: and you're going to take his guy. So A lot
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: of the wide zone stuff is thinking on the fly.
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: And I think what I told you about Quentin Nelson,
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: he's a smart guy. I mean, he's thinking on the fly.
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: You watch his highlights. It gets you fired up. You're like,
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: how does he– and that vision of just like seeing
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: where everyone is. He knows where people's assignments are. He
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: knows where the D-lines have their gap assignments. So, you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: usually every gap has an assignment for a D-lineman. And
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: knowing where those are and where they can't move, you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: it's the offensive lineman's job to move them out of there.
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: So just staying true to their values, I think they'll
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: be okay.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Do you think Abe Lucas has been hurt this year
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: by the rotation with, say, Stevens and Haynes, but just
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: not having Bradford?
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: I would say yeah. I think it's hard to build
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: such a chemistry with your guard as a tackle or
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: vice versa, and then all of a sudden a new
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: guy comes in. A lot of times when you're so
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: good at being next to each other and building that chemistry,
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: you don't have to say things and say, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: you know what your assignment is and you trust that
• 22:59
  Speaker 10: they know it, um, goes back to that trust thing
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: about how, you know, you know exactly where you're supposed
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: to go. They know where they're going to go and
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: you don't have to worry about it. But when you
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: bring someone else in that's younger and has less experience,
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: then you kind of got to slow the game down.
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: And that doesn't help with wide zone, you know, wide
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: zone cement to speed the game up. So that's, that's
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: their goal.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: All right, Phillip. Nice job. Uh, I don't know. It's
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: just an offensive lineman, so I don't know. I'm not
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: that excited, but I guess some people are about Quentin Nelson.
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: Do yourself a favor. I want everybody to look up
• 23:29
  Speaker 10: Quentin Nelson highlights, and you cannot tell me you get
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: fired up.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I'm fired up. I'm just busting your chops, fella. That's
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: all I'm doing.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Relax.
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: I'm telling everybody. This is something that's spectacular, and if
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: you're a Seahawks fan or a football fan, you're going
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: to be excited watching him play.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: So if you like the game of football, you like
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: watching Quentin Nelson. That's what you're telling me? That is
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: exactly what I'm saying. Like, if you like the game
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: of golf, you like watching me hit golf balls. That's
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: what you're saying. It's the exact same thing. I don't
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: know about that. I think that's different. Is it different?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I think it is.
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: Yeah, very different.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I think I'd rather watch Kiefer hit a golf ball.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Don't you put him out there to hit the shots on?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: The long drives?
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he played this year. He actually, he had to carry,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: him and his buddy had to carry in the Mary
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Maple Valley Open because we had Benton and Koniski out there.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: And they struggled. They struggled mightily.
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: They're hockey guys.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Well, usually hockey players are good, but that wasn't the
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: case this year. So Fela had to help carry him. Alright,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: so we're excited about Quentin Nelson. Get back. Go help mom.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: She's got something going on for you. But that's Kiefer.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Nice job, buddy. Hugh might call you later. You guys
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: can break this down at a higher level than I can.
• 24:35
  Speaker 10: That's a four-hour chat we'll have.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I love it. I'll talk to you soon. See ya.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: That's fella. My son played college football, offensive lineman. He
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: found out Quentin Nelson. I think that's an interesting thing, though,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: like about You know, the vision. I never heard that
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: with an offense line. Vision is an interesting part of it. Yeah,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: he's got some fans on the text line, too. Does he?
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: Good. Fella.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: They want him back.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Fella.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Bring Fella back. All right, we'll take a break. Alex
• 25:02
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• 25:56
  Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Time to check in with
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the Coug Legends. Alex and MK joining us here. A
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: lot to get to. I'm going to go some bigger
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: picture things in a second, in a minute. A little
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: recap of Boise State. We'll move on as well. Alex,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: you're not going to believe this. On Friday afternoon, Friday afternoon,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting at my favorite spot in Maple Valley, Imbibe
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Tap House, Bottle Room, Bottle House, Tap Room, whatever it is, yeah, Imbibe.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I'm enjoying an adult beverage, getting ready to grab some
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: dinner for the wife at home on a Friday afternoon.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I got grabbed from behind
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: on the shoulders by these massive strong hands. And the
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: legend himself had made his way in there on a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Friday afternoon. And Crystal Bruce, it was quite the surprise.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you never know when the big guy
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: is going to be running around, Alex. You just never
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: know where he's going to be.
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: I didn't know he left the gym or the office.
• 26:50
  Speaker 11: You go to other places?
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: This is bad news.
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: What?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: This is incredible. What a blessing.
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: And I got the photo, of course, and immediately felt
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: left out that I wasn't even included on an invite
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: or any sort of communication.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: No invite. He just shows up. You know that. How
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: many times have you been in Pullman or another local
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: this year calling a game and all of a sudden
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: there's a big fella walking in saying, what's up? Just
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: flew in.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: It's a great point. Great point. You kind of just
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: dropped in on you.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: I see Ian. I mean, what a surprise to see
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: the mayor, you know, in his habitat. And I go
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: I go straight from there and I head down and
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: I and I tell you right hand. I got a
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: head to the Tahoma High School football players. They're playing
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: that game Friday Night Lights. I'm walking down to the
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: field to go, you know, support the boys. But the
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: mayor himself, Sean Kelly, comes up. And I said, two
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: mayors in one night. I mean, this is crazy.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, you saw Sean P.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Kelly.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I read it. The real mayor of Maple Valley, Sean P.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: Kelly.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I ran into him at the market here, the Maple
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Valley market, a while ago. And he goes, hey, we've
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: got to get a picture of the two mayors. I said, no,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: there's only one mayor. It's you, my man. I want
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: none of that responsibility. I want none of that smoke.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I want none of those– If I'm actually the mayor,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: there's actually responsibilities and work to be had. I want
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: no part of that, man. No part of that.
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: Hey, MK, let's not gloss over the fact that Ian
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: pulled an elite dad-husband move with the pre-pick-up-dinner beer.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, honey.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, honey, I'm going to pick up. I'll pick up
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: dinner for us.
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: Mind you, he's like, Oh, no, I can get a
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: beverage before I have to head home.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: I totally I heard it happen. And I just laughed
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: because that's something I would have done. But you're right.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: That is an elite dad mood.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a little Smashburger truck right outside there, so
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: it's just a perfect spot, man. You can't go wrong.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Okay, that makes sense. That's why you were waiting.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Quote, unquote.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, waiting along the way. All right. I want to
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: get to, like I said, some bigger picture things in
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: a second. Before I get to that, some stuff we
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: talked in the first hour of the show with today.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: But let's just start with Saturday. We'll kind of recap.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Good for a while, and then not so good. Listen,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: they're good. Boise State's really good. Run game's really good.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: They kind of hit the switch. But, Alex, what did
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you see?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, you play good football teams.
• 29:10
  Speaker 11: You got to play 60 minutes of football on good
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: football on all, in all three phases. And I think
• 29:15
  Speaker 11: Washington state obviously like had some, you know, and Kirby
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: Moore talked about it, had some things that, you know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: ultimately derailed them. You know, the offense and defense played
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: solid in the first half, the kickoff right before half
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: wasn't great. The clock management wasn't great. Then, you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 11: I think in the third quarter, they're kind of trading
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: blows and, probably let some opportunities to get ahead of Boise,
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: let them off the hook a little bit. And I
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: think what keeps happening, I was thinking about the defense
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: and how the year has been for them. And what
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: you realize is they've never played with a lead. They've
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: never had a chance to play with a substantial lead.
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: And so teams constantly are able to maintain their game
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: plan stay balanced you know for Boise that means run
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: the football you know you wanted Boise to throw the
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: football you know like they were kind of doing in
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: the first half for whatever reason and then once they
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: settled in decided to just just pound it it was
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: it was kind of over at that point because you
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: knew Dylan Rowley was going to get his so Again,
• 30:10
  Speaker 11: some silver linings. This team's trying to figure out who
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: they are and grow. Obviously, this year is what it is.
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: This is a little bit more about how you find
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: green sheets heading into the back third of the year here.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: That was the biggest thing we talked about this whole year.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: This defense is playing with desperation in their eyes the
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: whole time and still holding great offenses and checking. Hold
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Boise scoreless in the third quarter. We were just... The defense, Ian,
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: I texted you guys, and I was like, this is
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: great football. This is the football we wanted to see.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: It's just so hard to see a Washington State team
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: not score points. I think it's so weird for everybody
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: because a lot of people, when they go see the Cougs,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: they want to see you just literally throwing grenades in
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: the air and seeing somebody come down with it and
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: put up points. To not hear that band strike up
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: half the game from not scoring points is tough, but Again,
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: the defense has been at a disadvantage all year long.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: And to see what they've done, what Bray's done with
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: what he has, honestly, I mean, he's putting a resume
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: out there. And, Ian, you know, we talked about this,
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: you know, previously. He is putting a resume out there
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: with guys that aren't playing at Power 4 schools potentially, right?
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: And he's playing great defense. So I agree with you.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: On that, Alex.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: MK, how hard is it as a defensive player when
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: you're never looking up and seeing that your team has
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: a lead?
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Well, you just think of the anxiety in your heart
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: of just like playing down. You never get that excitement
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: of like, okay, boys, you know, going to say, you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: we'll get another one or whatever. You're literally scraping and
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: clawing and almost feeling like you're dying for, you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: trying to get this for your boys. And I'm telling you,
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: when I'm on the sideline, Ian, that defense, you should
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: see the fire in their eyes. Like they believe that
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: they can come back. They believe that they want to win.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: It's just if you can't score points, you know, what
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: are you going to do?
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt about that. All right. Let me,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: like I said, I want to get some bigger picture stuff.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I'll start with this just before we get to, like,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: what I want in my little topics I want to
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: hit on, not just the game. Alex Owen Esselman, you've
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: had a couple games now to evaluate. What do you think?
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think he's a solid player. He's young, obviously,
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: so there's moments where he's still learning. I think any
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: quarterback his age, when it's not your primary game to
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: run the football 23 times, you're not going to have success.
• 32:27
  Speaker 11: I frankly felt the same way with Caden, which is
• 32:29
  Speaker 11: that As the game went on, the play got worse
• 32:34
  Speaker 11: because of how many hits they're taking, how fast, how
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: the game gets sped up. And that's kind of what happened,
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: I think, with Owen a little bit in the in
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: the fourth quarter is, you know, he at that point,
• 32:43
  Speaker 11: he'd taken so many hits and been running for his life.
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: You know, prior to the interception, he had a couple
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: of plays where he's kind of bailing out of the
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: pocket when he didn't need to. But it felt like
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: he probably needed to. We call it seeing ghosts in
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: the quarterback world, you know, and then on the interception.
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: a miscommunication but also you know he was probably a
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: little early to get there so it's like again i
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: think he's playing really well but he needs more help
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: just like any quarterback needs more help and they're that
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: position's not getting it at washington for this washington state
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: football team and so it doesn't matter how good owen
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: eshelman is there's too many things stacked up against him
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: to have sustained success right um against good football teams
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: like boise state.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: That's hard, too. Rushing the ball 23 times, it's going
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: to be very hard to be successful like that because
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: all it takes is one hit, and now you're down
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: to Duggard or whoever after that, or maybe even putting
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: Penny back in. He threw for 191 yards. Is that
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: the most we've seen this year? this season so far
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: on a quarterback. I just, there's a couple of plays
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: that he probably missed and probably wants back. But again,
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: he's a young quarterback playing against a very good defense.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: I think that Boise defense is a very good defense.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: I think they're going to, they're going to do very well, but,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: but I think Owen is the guy. Can you keep them?
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Can you develop them? Can you, you know, throw some
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: other wrinkles in there? We also talked about getting woods
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: or some of work. He's coming out of the backfield, right?
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: Trying to get some of those shorter plays and get
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: them out in the open field to see if they
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: can do something as well.
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the concern of him transferring, listen,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, quarterbacks don't transfer these days unless they get
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: paid a big money and B also have a place
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: to start at a bigger school. Like he's going to start,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: you know, I, I, I would kind of worry about
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: that less now, but I guess that's always back everybody's mind.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: That's always a concern. And that kind of brings us
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: to kind of some of the bigger picture stuff. I mean,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: that's the, that's the, that's the world we're living in
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: right now. And I kind of want to hit on
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that today. Cause I think it's of interest, you know,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: in the first hour of the show today, I had
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Kim Grenell's on from dog, man. And listen, they, you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: we can hate them all we want and the Huskies
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. You know, I was talking to
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: him and one of the things he said, even when
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I was texting him before the interview today, he's like, yeah, it's,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I said, how's the big 10 going? You know, like,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: how's the big 10 going? And, and let me preface
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: this by saying, because I hate when people try to
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: put words in people's mouths when they, when they're making
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: a point, I'm not saying Washington, Oregon, those schools, they
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: should like once USC and UCLA left, like it's every
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: man for himself and you've got to do what's best
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: for you. I get that. Um, You know, and they left.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: How they left is a different story, but they left.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And that was probably no choice for them. But he said,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you know, he goes, it used to be we went
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: to one Pullman. In other words, you fly in, you
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: drive 90 minutes to the school, right? You fly to
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Spokane or wherever it might be, or Lewiston. You know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: all these schools now, you fly in somewhere and then
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: it's every school's Pullman. And you don't go to Arizona anymore.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You don't go to the Bay Area anymore. You lose
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: some of the recruiting hotbeds. You know, like, and I'll just,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: my point is this. The whole realignment world, I'll take
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: it a step further. How's it gone for Maryland in
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the Big Ten or Rutgers? We can look across the country.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Here's my point, Alex. I want you to expand on
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: this and then MK jump in. We all love college football.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I get up and watch college football even if the
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Cougs aren't playing and away we go. There's stuff there
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: that's still great, but I feel like it's become really top-heavy.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I hear people say all the time it's spread out
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: evenly now. I would argue against that. I think in
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: some places, sure, maybe the top 10 schools, there's stuff
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: spread out. I just don't like where we're at. I
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: don't like where our school's at. I don't like the
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: lack of passion. And I'll be the first to admit,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: guilty as charged. I'm losing a lot of passion. I
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: used to make, no matter what, I'd watch a Coug game.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Even if I had a hockey game, I'm going to
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: go back and watch the entire game. Now I just
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: kind of go shuttle through so we can talk on Tuesday.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: But Alex, how would you describe the current state of,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: not just where we are, but college football?
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: Well, it's interesting you talk about, you know, are things
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: spread out or not spread out?
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Is it top heavy?
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: I mean, I think the idea that, you know, the
• 36:38
  Speaker 11: opportunity with player.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Movement at NIL allows more.
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: Teams to potentially be in the mix for the CFP
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: or to win the championship is accurate. If anything, in
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: my opinion, it kind of dilutes the product, right? Because
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: the player movement piece doesn't have guardrails to it. So
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: you really don't have the ability year in and year
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: out to guarantee success for teams, right? Like Oregon, Oregon
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: by all rights, just in general, should be one of
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: the best teams in college football year in and year out.
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: But because player movement makes it so that you have
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: to rebuild your roster every year, there's no guarantee that
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: you can create the same culture or create the same
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: right the same setup for those teams so like Texas
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: Tech's a great example also right like they're in the
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: CFP last year and they're not very good this year
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: right even though they're spending a ton of money and
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: so I think it dilutes the product which is what
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: everybody's feeling is like well you know there was a
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: comfort level in knowing that Alabama and Georgia and these
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: teams were kind of like the best now was that
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: the best version of it I don't know but the
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: other part is the idea of expanding the playoff doesn't
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: really expand opportunity right like it What used to happen
• 37:42
  Speaker 11: with say a 14 playoff is that four teams made
• 37:45
  Speaker 11: the playoff and then somebody else made the Rose bowl
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: or the holiday bowl or the peach bowl or whatever.
• 37:50
  Speaker 11: And there was a finite end to your season with
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: like a success or a failure.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: And now they're talking about getting rid of conference championships.
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: They're talking about, obviously, getting rid of bowl games with
• 37:59
  Speaker 11: expanded playoffs.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And now it's like the opportunity for... We use Washington State.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter.
• 38:04
  Speaker 11: But even Oregon State. Oregon State's going to have this
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: great year. And they're probably going to get to the
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: end of this thing and be like, what was all
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: that for?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: That was fun. But nothing really comes of it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: And I think that's what's sad about this state, this
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: day and age in college football is... people aren't really
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: playing for anything. They're playing afraid of what the next
• 38:23
  Speaker 11: year might look like because of player movement. They're playing
• 38:26
  Speaker 11: for kind of the dissatisfaction of not making the playoff
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: or not going to a bowl game or not having
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: a real conference championship. So, you know, it just feels very,
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: instead of exciting, it feels very negative.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Like everything's a negative in the way we look at
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: college football right now.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: And that was the biggest thing was, you know, people
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: love college football because it wasn't a professional sport, right?
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: So when you have a team that's done so much
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: building their whole culture and going to a bowl game, Alex,
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: you remember like that, that bowl game, it was just
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: like everything trying to make it to that one bowl game.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: But now kids don't even want to play in the
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: bowl game, like opting out of them. So it's so different.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: So I feel like right now it's, it feels more
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: like a money thing versus a prestige or versus like
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: building a culture. So it's changed quite a bit, especially,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: you know, going back and seeing like a pit, a
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: Penn state without winning or Maryland or all these Michigan states, like,
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: you know, winless, like this is a very weird to
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: see how, how much it's shocking.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's, or Alex, your point about Oregon's a
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: great one too. I mean, Dante Moore's out for the year.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: They spent a ton of money on Dylan Raiola, but
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. I mean, they go to lose to Illinois.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, they're done. You talk about a
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: season that's done. Like, they're done. Like, they're cooked. And
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: you're playing out the string, and that's a weird place
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: for them. I mean, none of us feel sorry for them, but,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's where they are. I guess Alex and
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: MK joining us, Cougar Legends. I think the thing, I'm wondering,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: can we ever get it back? And I'll take myself
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: into this for a second. I felt like we had
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: this discussion the last two years. You know, while Oregon
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: State and Wazoo tried to kind of hold on to
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the Pac-12 brand and get the conference rebuilt, we kind
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: of played this weird exhibition schedule for the last two
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: seasons before this, right? And I kept thinking, all right,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: we'll get the new conference, and away we go, and
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: it'll be fine, and you're playing for something. Part of
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: it is our team's not good. That's a big part
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: of it. That's a huge part of it. But it
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: feels like for the third year, we've lost any momentum
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that this program had. Now, Oregon State's a great example.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: They were 2-10 last year, and they snap of the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: fingers and look where they're at right now. How it ends,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: we don't know, but they did get it back. Alex,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: you're there every single week, home and away. MK, you've
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: been there a lot as well, but Alex, we'll start
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: with you. It just feels like there's a lack of passion,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: a lack of just caring right now. And I don't know,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: can we get that back? Is it just a matter
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: of wins and losses?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I do think there's a piece of that, right? You
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: look at like Jason Eck in New Mexico, right?
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: Like a few years ago, we went to a game,
• 40:58
  Speaker 11: Washington state at New Mexico and the stadium was half full.
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: You know what I mean? And two years later, Jason
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: Eck has that place filled to the brim. You know
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: what I mean? And it's like places that have a
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: culture of football, a place to have a culture and
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: a history within college football. I think you can, I mean,
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: Oregon State, there was 12 people in the stands last
• 41:18
  Speaker 11: year when we played Oregon State, right? The place was
• 41:20
  Speaker 11: sold out a year later. So it is about wins
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: and losses. It's about excitement. It's about, like, are you
• 41:25
  Speaker 11: playing for something? So for Washington State specifically, it's kind
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: of a moment in time in my personal opinion. If
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: the broader question is, are we going to get college
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: football back? The answer is probably no. I hate to
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: say that, but it's not going to be what it
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: was before. I think the best hope for all of
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: us is that you know, they can figure out on
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: the legal side, how to create restrictions around player movement
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: so that you don't have rosters turning over every year.
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: Cause in the NFL, that's what makes the NFL work
• 41:57
  Speaker 11: is that even if a team's out of the playoff
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: race at the, you know, out of the playoffs, their team,
• 42:03
  Speaker 11: they know their team's coming back.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: You know, you're still building for something, you know, or,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you know, who's going to free agency.
• 42:08
  Speaker 11: Like there's a, there's kind of a plan in place
• 42:10
  Speaker 11: and then the draft and so on and so forth. So,
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: That ecosystem works. That's what college football doesn't have. The
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: next five weeks for Oregon is only going to be
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: about which players are leaving. That's all it's going to
• 42:22
  Speaker 11: be about. That's obviously really frustrating for Oregon, but it's
• 42:28
  Speaker 11: worse for the sport because it's undercutting a really prestigious
• 42:33
  Speaker 11: program within the ecosystem. system and it makes the product
• 42:38
  Speaker 11: look cheap. And so I think that again, this is...
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: And I will stand on this hill to the day
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: I die that the networks have it wrong. They are
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: trying to consolidate their money into a smaller pool of
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: teams because they think that's what people want to see.
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: And the reality is people want to see Appalachian State
• 42:56
  Speaker 11: beat Michigan. People want to see Washington State every four
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: years pop up and go to a Rose Bowl, right? Sure,
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: they love USC and Matt Leiner and Reggie Bush, but
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: they don't have to have it, right? And they certainly
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: don't want to see, they don't need to see Ryan
• 43:10
  Speaker 11: Day in the championship every year. That's not what they
• 43:13
  Speaker 11: want to see. And I think they have that side
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: of it wrong. And so as they consolidate the money
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: to the top, eventually they're going to lose viewership.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: And then that money is going to get spread out
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: back again.
• 43:22
  Speaker 11: And I think that's where the Pac-12 is in a decent,
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: actually in a decent spot because they don't need as
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: much money to be successful and have eyeballs on them.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: That's what you're, you know, you're so right too. But
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, it's all about guardrails
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: and putting the cap back in the bag. Ian, I
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: agree with you. Like, I don't know if you can
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: ever put that cap back in the bag as far
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: as NIL and everything that's going on within this landscape,
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: but there has to be some kind of guardrails in place.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: And then those guardrails, I think it does give other
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: people an opportunity to actually compete and same thing. So
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: this probably isn't the best example, but look what Dion did.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: That program in Colorado was absolutely dead. Like it was dead.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: And he brought it, made it fun. Like, granted, he's
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: not doing great right now, but there's always a program
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: that can flip around, right? It just takes the right
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: person to come in there. And the best example is
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: Oregon State. Like, nobody thought that was going to happen.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, that program was going downhill as well. And
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: look how exciting they are in packing those stadiums.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Jesse LeGree saying he's going to stay
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: is awesome. I mean, I thought that was one of
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the better stories of college football this year. You know, like,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: it just, it's... after a week of holding everybody hostage,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: saying big announcement coming Friday, and the thought is, oh, God,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: this guy's, you know, here goes another guy leaving a
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: smaller school to go take some money, and he's probably
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: going to sit out the rest of the year. A
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: team that's got a chance, and he said, no, I'm
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: sticking around. Good for him, and good for Jamarcus Shepard.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make this quick, because we're going to
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: have this conversation again down the road. A lot of
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: criticism with Kirby and his staff. I heard you on
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: the broadcast, Alex, on Saturday, and in the pregame show,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: talking about some support for Kirby. I'm going to be
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: very clear. I think The worst thing we could do
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: right now is have four coaches in four years, and
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: whatever that be, five and eight, five and nine, whatever
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: the hell we're at, I think he deserves another year.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: But Alex, what would you tell Wazoo fans why they
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: should have faith in Kirby Moore?
• 45:05
  Speaker 11: Well, I think I'll preface this by saying this has
• 45:07
  Speaker 11: been hard for Coug fans. Not just the last two years,
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: you know, or three if you're counting this year, but,
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: you know, probably the last six years, dating back to
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: COVID and, you know, the.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Nick Rolovich talk. Really, since Coach Leach left.
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I think since Coach Leach left, I
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: think there were some bright spots with Jake Dickert, you know,
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: which kudos to him, honestly, in retrospect, but... In general,
• 45:27
  Speaker 11: it's been a hard six or seven years, right? For sure,
• 45:30
  Speaker 11: for Coug fans. I'll preface it with that. But I'll
• 45:32
  Speaker 11: also say that I've been pretty disappointed with some of
• 45:34
  Speaker 11: the rhetoric from Coug fans around Kirby Moore and what's happening.
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: I think it's not very self-reflective of Coug fans in
• 45:43
  Speaker 11: the way that they, this program has been built over
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: the years.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And, you know, it's not, it's not a program that
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: eats its own. It's never been.
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: And so to see some of the things that are
• 45:53
  Speaker 11: being said and, and the rhetoric, I think, you know, is,
• 45:56
  Speaker 11: is not who we are and, you know, not to
• 45:59
  Speaker 11: say this is things shouldn't change or things can't be better.
• 46:03
  Speaker 11: I think they can be, but you have to step back.
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: and understand how late in the process Kirby Moore got hired.
• 46:09
  Speaker 11: You have to understand in the nature of the transfer
• 46:11
  Speaker 11: portal that it doesn't happen. It doesn't start on January
• 46:15
  Speaker 11: 1st or December 25th. It happens in the middle of
• 46:18
  Speaker 11: the year, the way these things are communicated and the
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: rosters are built. And if you don't know you're going
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: to be there... You just don't have the time to
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: get it right all the time.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And they didn't.
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: They missed in some places. There's no doubt about it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: But that's not to say you can't flip it. Jamarcus
• 46:33
  Speaker 11: Shepard just did it at Oregon State. Every year, it
• 46:36
  Speaker 11: can be done. But it takes people buying it. I'm
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: not talking about money necessarily. I'm just talking about support
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: and vibes and excitement and understand that this doesn't happen
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: in a six-month process.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: And so I think... I would like to.
• 46:51
  Speaker 11: See people step back and be a little more look,
• 46:54
  Speaker 11: be a little more understanding of the way that the
• 46:57
  Speaker 11: nature of college football is and realize that if Washington
• 47:00
  Speaker 11: state is going to be successful, it's going to take
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: everybody moving in the same direction.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And again, I'm saying this very clearly. It's not just money.
• 47:06
  Speaker 11: It is about saying, Hey, we support everybody here and
• 47:10
  Speaker 11: like try to top rope somebody like, because you want
• 47:14
  Speaker 11: to say you're right is not going to help the program.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 47:17
  Speaker 11: Like that's not what it's about. And so I'd like
• 47:20
  Speaker 11: to see people kind of rally behind where this is at.
• 47:22
  Speaker 11: Nobody in that locker room or that building is trying
• 47:26
  Speaker 11: to put a bad foot forward when they go out there.
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: So again, I very clearly feel very disappointed with kind
• 47:33
  Speaker 11: of the reaction so far.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the biggest thing is I think that collectively
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: they're just a couple pieces away from doing something special
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: over there. And Kirby's a great– I think he was
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: a great fit for that job. Again, it's just there's
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: a couple pieces that are missing marketing-wise, GM-wise. They're doing
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: better than they were, I think, in previous regimes. So
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: I agree with you, Alex, 100%.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Well said. Okay, we'll have these conversations more down the road,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: but good to get the perspective of two guys that
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: have played and are there all the time. So I
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: appreciate that. Alex, let's sell some shoes.
• 48:03
  Speaker 11: Yeah, check out osaga.com, O-S-A-G-A.com. Shoe brand my brother and
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• 48:15
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• 48:19
  Speaker 2: right now. MK, what do you got?
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: Listen, if you're looking to buy a house, refinance, anything
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: to do with mortgages or real estate game, reach out
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: to Team Bruce over at Guild Mortgage. And then if
• 48:29
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• 48:33
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• 48:34
  Speaker 2: There you go. And if you do reach out to Guild,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: guess who you get to talk to? That guy right there.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: The big guy.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: You get to talk to the big guy. He might
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: even meet you in Imbaba and have a beer. He
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: might even buy. Who knows? I'm still waiting for mine.
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Good stuff, guys, as always. Thank you so much. San
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Diego State, awful place to be this week, Alex. Try
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: to hang in there down in San Diego, okay? Hang
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I'll try not to play golf.
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: I'm trying my best.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing there might be a plane landing there somewhere, too,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: this weekend. It's San Diego.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Hit me up, Alex. I'm bringing my clubs.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Bring them. I love it.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: MK, Alex, more to come on 93.3 KJFM.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: It's time for Ian's weekly visit with John Lund, Unleashed.
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• 49:48
  Speaker 6: a minimum, here's John Lund with Ian.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Again, Chambers Bay Distillery. We've got trivia tonight at 7 o'clock,
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• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: I have an excuse.
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: Well, there's excuses and explanations in life, and I have
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: an explanation, which is They want my expert opinion on
• 50:36
  Speaker 9: this trade that just happened with the 49ers, the yin
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: and yang, the back and forth, the touche of getting
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: Buckner while you.
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: Got Nelson and taking players in the Colts.
• 50:45
  Speaker 9: And so my show ends at 2.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I try to leave. I try to be on time.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: And then people want my insight so that I couldn't leave.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Well, it's better than the last time at 2 o'clock
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: when they wanted to talk to you after the show.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: And that didn't end up so well, right?
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: No.
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah. Yeah, you always love that when they walk
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: in at 201.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: And go, the boss wants to see you. And you're
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: just like, oh.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: You got a minute? You got a minute? What's going on?
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: What's going on? Yeah, that's what they tell you. That's
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: what they say.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: Hey, you got a minute?
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: When the big boss never pokes his head in the studio,
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: you know how that goes. And then the big boss
• 51:17
  Speaker 9: pokes his head in at one point, one minute after
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: the show.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, hey. Hey, you got a minute?
• 51:21
  Speaker 9: It's like, not for getting fired, I don't. No, I
• 51:24
  Speaker 9: do not have a minute to get fired.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: No, I do not. I got to go.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Our big, big, big boss is here tomorrow. We have
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: to dress up. From San Antonio, yeah. That funny thing is,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: he doesn't know who any of us are. He definitely
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't know you and I actually.
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: Definitely not.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Never heard of us.
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: The guy who fired me, our company is based in Atlanta,
• 51:45
  Speaker 9: the guy who fired me but then rehired me, the
• 51:47
  Speaker 9: same guy, said that what happened was they were the
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: projector and they just had names down there and how
• 51:52
  Speaker 9: much you made.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: And the bean counter.
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: In Atlanta just went.
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: Fired, fired, fired, fired, fired. The guy called me later
• 51:58
  Speaker 9: after I got fired. I was driving home and he goes, hey, man,
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: I tried to save you, but they just looked on
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: a chart and they just.
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: Said, you know, whoever's making money is out.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: That $ 30, 000 salary was just killing them, wasn't it?
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: A thousand?
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 52:12
  Speaker 9: Start a little higher. But my point is they don't
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: have to know you to fire you. In fact, they'd
• 52:19
  Speaker 9: rather not know you. Oh, God, no doubt.
• 52:22
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  Speaker 2: right let's take us through today buddy take us through
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: what's i want i want the reaction from the 49ers
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: uh perspective on a nelson and then the counterpunch later
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: on today by john lynch just moments ago.
• 52:47
  Speaker 9: What you want to know what's funny is first of
• 52:50
  Speaker 9: all lynch comes on our station of course he doesn't
• 52:52
  Speaker 9: come on my show but he you know you know
• 52:54
  Speaker 9: how it is uh be in middays it's like you
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: know lynch and all.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: These guys on the other shows they never come on
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: my show yeah uh.
• 53:01
  Speaker 9: But uh But what happened was literally right as I
• 53:04
  Speaker 9: was going on the air, Nelson goes to the Seahawks. So,
• 53:08
  Speaker 9: you know, all the all the you know, you know
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: how my prep is.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: It's just impeccable. Right. So all that goes out the window.
• 53:13
  Speaker 9: And, you know, we talk about quitting Nelson and people
• 53:16
  Speaker 9: are pissed. Like, what the hell is John Lynch doing
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: and all this kind of stuff? And he's asleep at
• 53:20
  Speaker 9: the switch. And then what's funny about it is just really,
• 53:23
  Speaker 9: really quick, not that people care, but they might.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: So John Lynch.
• 53:26
  Speaker 9: Is in season trades versus John Snyder's in season trades.
• 53:29
  Speaker 9: I bring that up, which really didn't make people happy.
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: Listen to this in season trades by the 49ers. Since
• 53:33
  Speaker 9: Lynch became the GM, Jimmy Garoppolo, Emmanuel Sanders, McCaffrey, Randy Gregory,
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: chase young, Khalil Davis, Keon white.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: So six of.
• 53:41
  Speaker 9: Those nine guys are defensive linemen, but they're not guys
• 53:44
  Speaker 9: that you would be like, Oh my God, I'm so excited.
• 53:46
  Speaker 9: And then they get Buckner at the end. And then
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: the list for.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: You know, John Schneider that I read off is like, you.
• 53:52
  Speaker 9: Know, Leonard Williams, Ernest Jones, Marshawn Lynch, you know, Quentin Nelson,
• 53:58
  Speaker 9: Rashid Shaheed, like, you know, guys that have made.
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: Huge impacts and they don't win Super Bowls, either.
• 54:03
  Speaker 9: Of them without those guys. So, you know, I read
• 54:05
  Speaker 9: that off and then, you know, everyone gets even more
• 54:07
  Speaker 9: pissed and, you know, John Lynch can't do this and
• 54:09
  Speaker 9: John Lynch can't do that. So what was interesting about
• 54:12
  Speaker 9: it was right when we started quitting, Nelson gets traded
• 54:14
  Speaker 9: to the Seahawks. And then right when we go off
• 54:16
  Speaker 9: the air, you know, Buckner goes to the 49ers. And
• 54:19
  Speaker 9: on the surface, it looks like a, like you said,
• 54:21
  Speaker 9: like a counterpunch, a yin yang. But I think it's
• 54:24
  Speaker 9: one of those things where the 49ers had three.
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: Pressures last week on Michael Penick's.
• 54:29
  Speaker 9: Uh, your favorite quarterback in 36 drop backs. And they went,
• 54:34
  Speaker 9: that's not going to win. You know, they're not going
• 54:36
  Speaker 9: to win. Like you, you can't win their average pressures
• 54:38
  Speaker 9: to that point was 14 in a season and panics
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: looked like a, you know, he looked like Tom Brady.
• 54:43
  Speaker 9: He just, he crushed him throwing the ball.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: So I think that they made.
• 54:46
  Speaker 9: The decision after that game and they've got a lot
• 54:47
  Speaker 9: of youth in the defensive line and it's got a
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: lot of potential. But if you think about it now,
• 54:51
  Speaker 9: Buckner is going to be back there. Like he was
• 54:53
  Speaker 9: in 19, both is coming back after the break. If
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: he can stay healthy, they've got also a diggy zoo
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: who they got from the Cowboys, which that was a
• 55:00
  Speaker 9: dumb move by Dallas.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: He's been really good.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Really dumb move. Really dumb move.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 55:04
  Speaker 9: I mean, he's been great. And the point is, and
• 55:06
  Speaker 9: you know this, and so do your listeners. In this division,
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: the teams who have beefed up on the lines, think
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: about the Rams are getting pushed around for years by
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: the 49ers. They went big time on their offensive line
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: and signings. They drafted a bunch of defensive linemen. They
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: already had Donald at that point, but he was gone.
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: But they beefed up their offensive and defensive lines. What
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: does Seattle constantly do? They go get guys like Leonard Williams.
• 55:27
  Speaker 9: They go get, you know, they draft Byron Murphy. They
• 55:30
  Speaker 9: go get Quentin Nelson. They draft Gray Zabel. Like in
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: this division, I mean, the Cardinals look like a bunch
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: of dopes.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Like, what are you doing?
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: They're taking, you know, they're taking Love and Harrison and
• 55:40
  Speaker 9: guys like that. Well, the three teams that are doing
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: something in this division and winning Super Bowls and getting
• 55:46
  Speaker 9: into championships are doing it in the trenches.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: And that's what happened today.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Buckner was traded in 2020, right? First round pick in 2016,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: traded in 2020. Why was he traded and what does
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: he bring back? I mean, I know the pressures are,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: you know, they're open. And he has, as far as
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: interior linemen, he's like number two in the league in
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: terms of sacks. He's got four. I think the leader's
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: got four and a half. Now, I mentioned Leonard Williams
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: has three and Byron Murphy has three for Seattle. So
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: they got six combined just from those two dudes. But,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: you know, he does bring some juice, obviously, in the middle.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: But why did they trade him in the first place
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: and go back and get him again?
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: You know what it was?
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: It was very similar to what happened in Seattle with
• 56:22
  Speaker 9: Ken Walker III.
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: They had decisions to make. So in 2019, they went to.
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: The Super Bowl, and they had Eric Armstead and Buckner
• 56:28
  Speaker 9: and Bosa and D4, and their D-line was awesome. But
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: Armstead was coming up the next year.
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: Bosa was on there.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: It came down to money, and they had a.
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: Decision to make.
• 56:38
  Speaker 9: Are they going to keep Armstead, or are they going
• 56:40
  Speaker 9: to keep Buckner? And what the Colts did is the
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: Colts said, we'll give you a first-round pick, and you'll
• 56:44
  Speaker 9: remember this.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: When I say it, so then the Niners went, okay, great.
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: With the 14th pick in the 2020 draft, they took
• 56:51
  Speaker 9: Javon Kinlaw, a defensive lineman out of South Carolina. And
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: the Niners thought, oh, this will be great. And we
• 56:57
  Speaker 9: were out touting it. Hey, Buckner is going to make
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: 23 million next year with the Colts in the first year.
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: And Kinlaw is going to cost him 23 million over
• 57:04
  Speaker 9: four years. What a great decision.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, on paper it is, but Kinlaw sucked.
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: And he's since gone to Washington and he's just okay.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: But they thought that.
• 57:12
  Speaker 9: They had Buckner replaced with Kinlaw. They decided to keep
• 57:16
  Speaker 9: Armstead over Buckner because Buckner was up that year. And
• 57:19
  Speaker 9: so they break up the defensive line. They keep Armstead.
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: Armstead the next year got hurt, went off to Jacksonville.
• 57:25
  Speaker 9: And that's kind of where the downhill started for this
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: defense a little bit because they let Buckner go. They
• 57:30
  Speaker 9: kept Armstead. They drafted Kinlaw. Kinlaw stunk.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Armstead got hurt.
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: Ended up going to Jacksonville and their defensive line has
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: kind of been in flux ever since.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: And now they're, they're kind of rectifying it.
• 57:40
  Speaker 7: So yeah, it was a very similar situation.
• 57:41
  Speaker 9: They had to make a money decision and thought with
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: that pick, they would replace the player quite easily, but
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: it didn't.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Work that way.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: You, you, uh, foreshadowed last week, by the way, well done.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Good job by you. Uh, you, you like to win
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: you money.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: You called that loss. Uh, Ashley got a fact in
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: our factor fiction contest, which is good. So we, she
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: got a dream check mark there. Were there anything that was–
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned the lack of pressure. Was there
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: anything else that was an actual concern, or was it
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: just like, hey, man, we flew across country, emotional wins, blah, blah, blah,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. You're not going 17-0.
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: Like anything, I mean, I know this is really elementary.
• 58:15
  Speaker 9: They turned the ball over four times, brought through two
• 58:17
  Speaker 9: dumb interceptions, one near a sideline he was trying to
• 58:20
  Speaker 9: throw away.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: He just didn't.
• 58:22
  Speaker 9: See the buzz linebacker. He tipped it up and tipped
• 58:24
  Speaker 9: it to himself. But they had four turnovers. They turned
• 58:27
  Speaker 9: into 17 points for Atlanta. And it's pretty simple as that.
• 58:32
  Speaker 9: And then they fumbled it twice as well. So when
• 58:33
  Speaker 9: you turn over the ball, impress your friends with this, people.
• 58:36
  Speaker 9: When you turn the ball over four times in NFL history,
• 58:40
  Speaker 9: you win exactly 8% of the time.
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: So you're not going to win with four.
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: Turnovers, and that's what happened. They had a bunch of
• 58:47
  Speaker 9: dumb penalties in the secondary. And because of the lack
• 58:51
  Speaker 9: of pass rush, you know this, it works together. The
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: defensive backs are good when there's a pass rush. They're
• 58:56
  Speaker 9: not very good when they're not. So both their corners,
• 58:59
  Speaker 9: when targeted, it was something like five out of six
• 59:01
  Speaker 9: completions for Pennix. I mean, that's the best I've ever
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: seen Pennix look. So defensively, they couldn't get to the quarterback,
• 59:06
  Speaker 9: but offensively, they actually they fumbled the ball three times
• 59:10
  Speaker 9: and threw two picks.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: They got one of them back. So four turnovers, that
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: was the story of the game.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: By week this week is, is Evans back the following week?
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that, that's the whole thing too.
• 59:20
  Speaker 9: And again, look, there's no excuses in this league that
• 59:23
  Speaker 9: they were down to their fifth wide receivers and they
• 59:25
  Speaker 9: were terrible.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Those guys were terrible. McCaffrey got hurt in the game.
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: He's got a strained hamstring just so you know, but
• 59:30
  Speaker 9: I know he's on your fantasy team, but he's going to.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Be back for the Raiders game.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Well aware.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. You already know that, but he's going to
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: be fine, but they wouldn't have, honestly.
• 59:37
  Speaker 9: If they didn't have that lack of talent or lack
• 59:39
  Speaker 9: of skill players, like I said, they were down their
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: fifth wide receivers.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: They didn't have Evans, didn't have.
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: Debo, et cetera. They wouldn't have put McCaffrey back in
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: the game. He was genuinely hurt, but their two rookie
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: running backs both fumbled and they had no position players.
• 59:51
  Speaker 9: So Shanahan had to put him back in the game,
• 59:53
  Speaker 9: even though he didn't want to. So McCaffrey, look, it's
• 59:55
  Speaker 9: not an excuse. Like you said, they lost the game.
• 59:57
  Speaker 9: They were up 14 to three in the game. Atlanta
• 59:59
  Speaker 9: scored 23 straight points. So, you know, but you can see,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 9: I mean, you see this all.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: The time in sports.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 9: Like you look at a schedule and you go, okay,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 9: that's a built-in loss and you can see it, you know,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 9: they could have won the game, but they just, like
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: I said, too many mistakes, but they'll take six and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 9: one into the break and they've got, you know, they're
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: going to get basically everybody back. I mean, Kyle spoke
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: today and said, Bosa is going to be back. Evan's
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: going to be back. Debo's going to be back. So
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: They kind of gave that away and said, okay, we'll
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 9: take 6-1 into the break, but it's more important that
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 9: these guys rest than.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: We win a game.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 9: And that's kind of the thing that Seattle and the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 9: Rams at this point really don't have the luxury of doing,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 9: which is... you know, you got to go kind of
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 9: balls to the wall now if you're those teams to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 9: get back in it. And I think, look, I think
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 9: Seattle will, if you look at the Rams next three games,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: I think the Rams through 10 games will be six
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 9: and four. They've got three dog games, although they did
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: lose to the Arizona. So who knows, but they kind
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 9: of look like they're back on track.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: We all know this.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: This is going to be a dog fight. I don't
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: care where the 49ers are at.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Six and one. This thing's going to be a dog fight.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: It always is. We know. I think the big thing is,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: is you need this because we saw what an absolute,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: absolute train wreck is. that the the philadelphia eagles are
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: i think we can just go ahead and say thanks
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: for coming at two and five the commanders are done
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: so they're done so really the nfc east is not
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: a problem i mean the giants leading the way at
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: four two and one uh and the cowboys are three
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: and four still they're One of those two teams is
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: by default going to win the division, and you don't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: really care who it is. One of those two teams wins.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Carolina looked— I don't know what the hell that was. I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: don't know what they put on paper last week, but
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: that was awful, what they did. Atlanta's probably a concern
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: for them, but you're not worrying about the NFC South.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: The concern still has to be with the NFC West.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Do you get three teams in, the division winner and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: two wild cards, and what does that mean for the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: NFC North? Because Lions, Packers, Vikings, all very much in it.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 9: I think the team that scares me, the problem, the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: Vikings is, and I.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: Get it, man, there's six and O in your record
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: is what it is.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: And that's Bill Parcells. One time said that.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: Like, you know, we're not as good as our record
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: or we're.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Not as bad as our record. It's like, that is
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: your record. Like that's what you are.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 9: But the Vikings offense is so bad that I just,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 9: I can't take them seriously. Tyler Murray, we saw for years,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 9: he's not going to step up. So to me, the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 9: Vikings aren't a factor. Like you said, the East and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 9: the South aren't a factor. The Bears are intriguing because
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 9: the issue with the Bears is, you know, we were
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: talking about this today, too, was the 49ers are six
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 9: and one. The Bears are five and two. Nobody wants
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: to go to Chicago for the playoffs. And not just
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: because Caleb Williams and it's hard, hard to say this,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 9: but he's becoming really, really good. Yeah. And that was
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 9: it wasn't just a one year thing where he pulled
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 9: out a bunch of games.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: That's just how he plays.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 9: He kind of plays a frantic game.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Style. And that's just how the bears play. And Ben
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Johnson's really smart.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: So if they fortify, like if they were to get
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 9: a Mac and fortify their defense a little bit, I'd
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: be really scared of that team. And I kind of
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 9: still am the lions don't have a good enough defense.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: The Packers are inconsistent.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 9: So to me, it's the three teams in the West
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 9: and it's the bears, but you bring up a really
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 9: good point, which is, are they going to cannibalize each other?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 9: Because you still got to play the Niners one more time.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 9: If you're the Seahawks, you got to play the Rams twice.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: You know, how do those games go?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 9: Are those a bunch of splits where, you know, the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 9: Seahawks and the Rams have already played their mulligans. So
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 9: they can't be splitting games. Like they've got to come
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 9: here and win, which they've done. You know, you know,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 9: one of those teams, Seattle or LA have got to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 9: sweep the other. Like you can't, you can't just be
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 9: splitting all those games because like you said, those other
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: divisions are, those teams could win a bunch of games
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 9: because they just don't have the schedule that these teams have.
• 1:03:34
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• 1:04:00
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• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: They'd say, what's your name, and you'd get that wrong.
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• 1:04:10
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• 1:04:15
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• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Let me wrap it up with this. How impressed were
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: you with what Seattle's defense did against Ken Walker and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Pat Mahomes?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, you and I were texting during the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 9: game and I meant this in the ultimate respectful way.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: And I know people would never get the Niners credit,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 9: but when Collinsworth, which, which by the way, the craziest thing,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 9: I'm sure you've talked about it when he was lap
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 9: docking Mahomes for a covering a fumble.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: And then, and then, and then he throws the pick
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 8: and he didn't talk. Like, I don't know if you
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: guys talk about that, but like, Mahomes throws the pick
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: and it's all, it's all Tariko.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Like he didn't say a word. It was like, hello,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: is there an animal?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: He even paused.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Like there was nothing. So he was stunned, whatever with
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: that guy.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 9: But, but he did, he said something during that. He said,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 9: I've never basically, he said, I've never seen Mahomes kind
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 9: of this bewildered or, you know, frazzled or whatever. The
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 9: Niners did that to him twice. They couldn't finish it
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 9: in the Superbowl and he made a couple of plays.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 9: And so I was nervous during that game for you guys, because,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 9: you know, I love Seattle.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I love you guys. That the whole thing, believe me, I,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: on Monday.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 9: I said, it was the weirdest feeling because 49ers fans
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 9: wanted his face rubbed in the dirt, but they wanted.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Kansas city to win.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: Like they, they hate my homes here because they.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Took the two Superbowl. They hate them. But the, the,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: their ability, cause it was 13, three.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 9: And I'm thinking they're just going to make a play
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 9: and they're going to come back. That's what Kansas city does.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 9: but that defense I've never seen. And I know the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 9: numbers back it up.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: I've never seen Kansas city since my homes.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 9: Was at full strength, not like a hobbling guy or
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 9: whatever at full strength to play that kind of defense
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 9: against those guys. And I don't want to hear from
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: two fans talking about receivers and injuries and everybody's got those, man.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 9: Like everybody's got, everybody's got injuries. It's the NFL for
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: them to do what they did. They made Kelsey look old.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: Uh, the offensive line was bad.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: I know they, you know, obviously you guys have talked
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: They wanted to stop Walker and they did in all
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 9: phases of the game. If that's the defense they're going
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 9: to bring to the table. And if Darnold, I know
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 9: what happened in the.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: End zone, that was two receivers like running into each other.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 9: It was, I think she, he, I mean, you're not,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 9: you know, JSN should have been there. I think it
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 9: was on sheet receipt, but I could be wrong. But, um,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 9: When Darnold doesn't turn the ball over and plays like that,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 9: they get the running game going and they have a defense,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: they will beat anybody.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: I don't care. They'll beat the 49ers. They'll beat the Rams.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: They'll beat anybody. They'll beat anybody from the AFC.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 9: If they play like they did Sunday night, I'm sure.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: You've talked about it like that. Look, I'd love to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: sit here and say the Niners would beat them. No
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: one would beat them.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 9: That's how they won the Super Bowl. That's how they
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 9: looked in the playoffs when he stopped turning the ball over.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 9: That's the team that won the Super Bowl.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Quick text. Lund, how does not having the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: trade feel?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Wow. Oh, that's a good trade. That's a good trade, man.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: If I had to come, I'll be completely honest.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 9: If I had to come on here and it was
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 9: just the Quinton Nelson trade, I was dreading it. I was,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: I was looking at my clock going to a pocket
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 9: coming really fast. I do not want to talk about
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: this trade. I do not want to hear it. And
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 9: after that defensive performance, after they just smoked Kansas city
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 9: and now they get the best garden football, I'm like, Oh,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 9: and more so they get to put Brad, they put
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 9: a Anthony Bradford on the bench and the inconsistency of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 9: like him whiffing on defenders.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: What are people going to do on YouTube? Like they're
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: going to have to come up.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: Some of those channels are going to have to come
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 9: up with total new content. They're not going to have
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 9: Bradford whiffing on defenders to, to, to bail them out.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: You know, NFL fans, you know, NFL fans, they'll, they'll
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: find somebody else to rip on.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: I was, I was dreading it.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, ah, and then they made that trade.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Yeah, when Ashley calls, I'll answer now. That's nice.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Ashley's going to call. I might actually answer.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I'm busy. I got stuff to do.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: By the way, what the hell?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Hey, what the hell?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: Third place?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 10: What the hell is that?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: Third place.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, in the rankings?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 9: This is the number one show in the market.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: You're the number one guest.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 10: We know that.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: You're the number one guest, but I think you were
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: mentioned in that. Were you not mentioned in that?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: You were mentioned.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was mentioned in that.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Probably the only reason we're so high on the rankings.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 7: First.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Greg Cosell not mentioned. Hugh Millen not mentioned. None of
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: our other guests mentioned. John Lund mentioned. That got us third.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the guy that did the list, if he would
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  Speaker 2: have listened to more than the Tuesday segment, we would
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: have been higher than three. Maybe.
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  Speaker 9: Maybe that's when he does his walk around the lake
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  Speaker 9: or something.
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  Speaker 7: Doesn't he live in Bend or something?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe that's when he.
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  Speaker 2: Walks his dog.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing. He's easily impressed. That's evident.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: He's impressed by the two of us. All right, and Ashley,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: we'll talk to you after Monday Night Football next week.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to go. Yeah, we've got listeners to hear from.
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  Speaker 9: All right.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: See you.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: All right. We'll take a quick break. Come back. We'll
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  Speaker 2: hear from you on the talkbacks next.