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Trade Deadline Reality, PCA Good For The Game? Defending Wins Stat · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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Speaker 1: Jim Hays alongside Lance Linn. We didn't hear from Kyle Gibson. Lance,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with Kyle. We thought
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Speaker 1: he might pop in, right.
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Speaker 2: You think, I mean, I'm just here at work. I'm
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Speaker 2: taking time out of my workday to be here with you, Kyle.
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Speaker 3: You know he's busy.
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Speaker 2: I get it. You know I've got kids too. But
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Speaker 2: you know, some people are in, some people are out.
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Speaker 3: Get how it is? All right?
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Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get them back in as we speak. It's
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Speaker 1: really really hot in Saint Louis. The Cards just drop
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Speaker 1: two of three to the Reds, and the Cubs are
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Speaker 1: in town. But before we get to all that, right,
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Speaker 1: All right, it's literally one hundred degrees in Saint Louis,
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Speaker 1: whatever the you know, the actual temperature, it's past that,
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Speaker 1: so if you're down on the field, you are melting.
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Speaker 1: And I think it does impact games, like you saw
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Speaker 1: the game yesterday kind of slow motion because it's really
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Speaker 1: really hot. Once were you a guy that hated pitching in.
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Speaker 2: The heat, especially earlier on in my career, because it
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Speaker 2: usually when it was a day game, and day games
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Speaker 2: were not my friend. Early on in my career, I
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Speaker 2: just couldn't, like, I don't know what it was. As
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Speaker 2: the time went on, I figured it out a little bit.
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Speaker 2: I think there's really it's really hard to understand what
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Speaker 2: guys are going through and all that on a hot
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Speaker 2: day like that. So yes, it can impact things. I
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Speaker 2: think when I was older, I realized, like, we're all
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Speaker 2: out here, we're all having to deal with it, So
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Speaker 2: you need to figure out how to be the best
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Speaker 2: of dealing with it that day to not let it
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Speaker 2: so you can win the game. Because everyone's miserable, everyone
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Speaker 2: is hot, everyone is tired because of how hot it is.
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Speaker 2: You need to figure out how to outlast everyone or
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Speaker 2: be better at dealing with it than the other guys.
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Speaker 2: So you can win the game instead of letting it
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Speaker 2: take over. It's like, oh, it's so hot, this is
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Speaker 2: killing kill me. So when I went to Texas, I
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Speaker 2: think that was when I really learned how to deal
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Speaker 2: with it in a way that I took. I took
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Speaker 2: advantage of it when I was in Texas and won
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Speaker 2: a lot of ball games in an old ballpark in
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Speaker 2: Arlington because guys would come in and be it was
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Speaker 2: too hot for him. And you have to figure out
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Speaker 2: a different routine, a different way to stay cool, stay dry,
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Speaker 2: do a lot of different things.
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Speaker 3: And as my.
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Speaker 2: Career went on, I remember, just early on my care
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Speaker 2: I remember sweat dripping off of the bill in my
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Speaker 2: cap while I'm trying to pitch, and you're just like,
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Speaker 2: I can't get dry, the ball slick. And then as
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Speaker 2: you went on, it's like, hey, I need to change
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Speaker 2: hats every other inning or every inning, and then I
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Speaker 2: need to change my under shirt and my jersey every
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Speaker 2: other inning or whatever. And then you start finding those things.
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Speaker 2: So this is a young group and they haven't you know,
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Speaker 2: been able to, you know, tinker with their approaches in
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Speaker 2: games and stuff like that to do that, just like
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Speaker 2: I did it early on in my career. But it
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Speaker 2: takes time and it takes you know, some thinking of
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Speaker 2: different ways to do it. And then I always thought
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Speaker 2: about this as I went on, the faster I can
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Speaker 2: get my team off the field, and the faster their
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Speaker 2: teams back out on the field, the better chance we
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Speaker 2: had to win that day. So that's kind of the
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Speaker 2: way I went went forward at the end of my
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Speaker 2: career or as my career went on.
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Speaker 1: So as I'm sitting in the camera well next to
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Speaker 1: the dugout, it's really hot, and I was thinking about this.
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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't wait to ask Glance about this.
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Speaker 1: But the starting pitchers are watching the game, they're in
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Speaker 1: the dugout watching. You're a veteran pitcher, you're not pitching.
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Speaker 1: Do you have to be in the dugout? Is some
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Speaker 1: of that performative to have the starters out there for
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Speaker 1: the team concept? Because we've heard stories, you know in
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Speaker 1: Boston where guys were eating fried chicken back in the
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Speaker 1: clubhouse while the game was on.
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Speaker 3: Some folks didn't like that. You're a veteran guy.
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Speaker 1: Do you have to be sitting in one hundred and
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Speaker 1: ten degree heat as a starting pitcher.
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Speaker 3: That's not pitching? To watch the game.
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Speaker 2: You technically do not have to be, but it is
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Speaker 2: a dick move not to be out there somewhat. So
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Speaker 2: that's kind of the thought process is throughout the games, whether.
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Speaker 3: It's hot or whether it's whatever.
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Speaker 2: Starters have different routines because they try to, you know,
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Speaker 2: stay out of the everyday guy's way of getting ready
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Speaker 2: for games and stuff like that. So you you there's
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Speaker 2: you know, there's only so many trainers and so many
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Speaker 2: things that you can do before the game, and you
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Speaker 2: need to stay out of those guys way because they
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Speaker 2: have to play. So there's a rotation that you have
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Speaker 2: that you go in there and get some work done
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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. You know, were there times that
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Speaker 2: I overstayed. Yes, when it was hot, I'm not gonna
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Speaker 2: deny that. But when you're a young kid, as a veteran,
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Speaker 2: you make sure they don't overstay their time inside, so
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Speaker 2: they make sure that they're in the dugout. But every
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Speaker 2: team I was on, you tried to make sure at
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Speaker 2: least three of the five or three of the four,
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Speaker 2: two of the four were always in the dugout. And
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Speaker 2: if you look around. I remember one time we looked
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Speaker 2: around and I was like one, two, three, four, And
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Speaker 2: I was like, hey, where there's we're all in here.
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Speaker 2: Two of us have got to go and I'm not going.
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Speaker 2: So you three figured it out. So yes, that's kind
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Speaker 2: of how it goes. And it goes by a hierarchy.
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Speaker 2: And I remember when I was young, Jake Westboro, Kyle
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Speaker 2: Lose and Wainwright they were like, hey, you have a
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Speaker 2: you have a half inning, or you have an inning,
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Speaker 2: go now and then that's you got your time. And
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Speaker 2: then they they went, you know, one of them would
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Speaker 2: go after the second, one of them would go after
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Speaker 2: the fourth to do their things, and then they'd come
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Speaker 2: back a couple of innings later an later.
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Speaker 3: So it's a rotation.
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Speaker 2: And it's the same with it's the same with bench guys.
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Speaker 2: You want your bench guys out there, but you also like, hey,
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Speaker 2: I don't need to sit You don't need to sit
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Speaker 2: there and get baked in the heat before you, you know,
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Speaker 2: have to go into a game or something like that,
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Speaker 2: like let's go down on the tunnel. You know you
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Speaker 2: can take your swings, stay loose, but also stay in
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Speaker 2: and where it's not as hot and you can kind
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Speaker 2: of bounce in and out as you need to go there.
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Speaker 2: So with all these coaches now the dugout's full.
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Speaker 3: Anyways, you don't need all these paple. I will say
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Speaker 3: this though.
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Speaker 1: The hitting cage is air conditioned and there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of guys in there getting their swings.
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Speaker 3: Then, so I think, hey, that's what I do.
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying, I learned at the end of my career,
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Speaker 2: right in between every inning, and I didn't sit in
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Speaker 2: the dugout when I was pitching.
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Speaker 3: I went straight down to the tunnel.
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Speaker 2: I had a change of shirt and a change of jersey,
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Speaker 2: and I had a fan on me, and I was
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Speaker 2: sitting there and you can ask Dusty, Dusty, come down,
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Speaker 2: we go over the next inning of hitters that are
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Speaker 2: coming in. You know what I did to him before?
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Speaker 2: What I what we plan on doing? What are we seeing?
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Speaker 2: What we're working today? And I'm sitting there drinking water,
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Speaker 2: shirtless with a fan on me. And then he'd tell me, hey,
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Speaker 2: we've got too and I would, I would, you know,
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Speaker 2: saddle back up and hunt hoof it on out there
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Speaker 2: and try to get three outs fast possible.
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Speaker 3: Smart smart all right.
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Speaker 1: Cards have gone three and seven over their last ten
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Speaker 1: game over five hundred right now and the Cubs are
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Speaker 1: in ten, so Cardinal fans. Whether the team's winning losing,
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Speaker 1: there's something special about the Cubs rivalry. Is it for
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Speaker 1: the players to or is it more for the fans
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Speaker 1: for the do the Do the players feel that vibe.
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Speaker 3: To thank you? Yeah? You feel it.
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Speaker 2: I mean there's no way to not because everywhere you've
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Speaker 2: played your whole life, you have rivalries, right and you
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Speaker 2: know about them.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: The question is, is today's age are they as heated
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Speaker 2: as they used to be? No, because there's too many
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Speaker 2: players that change change sides as over the course of
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Speaker 2: the years and stuff like that. But as a player,
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Speaker 2: you know when the fans come in and they're rooting
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Speaker 2: against you, or when you go there the fans are
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Speaker 2: rooting against you. So that's where you feel a rivalry
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Speaker 2: as most any in any sport. So it's one of
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Speaker 2: the better ones. I gotta play for the Yankees and
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Speaker 2: I gotta play for the Dodgers. The Cardinals Cubs are
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Speaker 2: a great rivalry, The Yankees, Red Sox great one, and
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Speaker 2: then the Dodgers in. You know, heck, the Dodgers in
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Speaker 2: and the Giants are great when they come in. They're
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Speaker 2: all similar. Fans hate each other. They don't get along.
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Speaker 2: I'd say the fans probably get along the best in
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Speaker 2: Saint Louis and in Chicago than they do in the
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Speaker 2: other two places. But as a player, you still feel
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Speaker 2: those rivalry just as much.
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Speaker 1: Yes, because in Saint Louis the Cubs Cardinals rival. No
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Speaker 1: one loses their life, Okay, So it's more of a
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Speaker 1: civilized exactly.
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Speaker 3: It's a little bit, a little bit friendlier.
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Speaker 1: So there's always a villain with the Cubs. Right to me,
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Speaker 1: the number one guy zam Brono. But there's plenty of
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Speaker 1: them you could name right now. When Peter Rais was
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Speaker 1: there for a little bit and then he came over
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Speaker 1: the right.
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Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. That's true.
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Speaker 1: PCA is the number one villain now. He hit a
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Speaker 1: homer last last series in Saint Louis into the tarps off.
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Speaker 3: They were chanting over it. I love the stick. Okay.
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Speaker 3: What does lanceln think about pc A?
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Speaker 1: Because I love guys that leave it out out on
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Speaker 1: the field and don't mind saying some stuff.
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Speaker 2: I love what he's built himself into, right, I respect
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Speaker 2: for that he went through it early on in his career.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know my exact numbers against him.
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Speaker 2: But I remember my last year I was I think
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Speaker 2: it was his full first year up he was an out.
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Speaker 2: That was the feeling in the you know, in the
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Speaker 2: game planning and stuff like that. It's like, hey, he
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Speaker 2: is an out unless you like, don't walk him. Don't
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Speaker 2: you know do this? You know, but obviously you can't
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Speaker 2: just scroove one right down the middle because you can
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Speaker 2: make you pay. But if you pitch him the way
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Speaker 2: you're supposed to, you you should be an out. And
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Speaker 2: then now you turn him into an All Star World
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Speaker 2: Baseball Classic Team member and all that, you see the
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Speaker 2: rise of a kid that was very talented and went
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Speaker 2: through it. So I respect him what he's done as
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Speaker 2: a player and all that. And I think when you
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Speaker 2: are young and you're trying to figure out who you are,
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Speaker 2: you are he kind of had that swagger about him.
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Speaker 2: But when you don't do well, you can't show it.
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Speaker 2: So I love for a guy to be able to
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Speaker 2: play well and show you that they're playing well. Because
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Speaker 2: if he was a cardinal right, they would love him. Man,
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Speaker 2: what a hard nosed player is a A what a
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Speaker 2: guy that just he just tells you the truth. But
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Speaker 2: as a as a as an opponent, that guy's a dick.
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Speaker 3: Right, and I hate him.
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Speaker 2: But those are the guys that you love as teammates
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Speaker 2: you hate to play against, and as a baseball fan,
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Speaker 2: that's fun for the game, there really is. And you
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Speaker 2: want to root against somebody, right, So why not let
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Speaker 2: him be Hey, go do your things. I can root
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Speaker 2: against you, or go do your things. I can root
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Speaker 2: for you if that's my team.
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Speaker 1: You gave a perfect example Contreras Cardinal fans hated him
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Speaker 1: when he was a club. They loved him when he
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11:46
Speaker 1: watch time. You know what Hug watches because the trade
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Speaker 1: deadline's approaching any day now, we might see an out
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Speaker 1: of the blue Hug in the dugout or prior to
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Speaker 1: the game. What's that like for a player when you're
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Speaker 1: up against the trade deadline and you know maybe you
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Speaker 1: a teammate is probably gonna be on the move. What's
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Speaker 1: that like for players?
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Speaker 2: It's a little weird, right I think. When So, here's
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Speaker 2: the thing, when you know it's coming. I got I've
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Speaker 2: got traded twice at the deadline, and I knew that
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Speaker 2: it was coming. There's nothing worse than when you get blindsided.
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Speaker 2: And usually you get blindsided when you are a team
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Speaker 2: that is going for it and you lose a guy that.
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Speaker 3: Is expendable to get an upgrade. So those those times suck.
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Speaker 2: Like we go to the Alan Graide Joe Kelly thing
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Speaker 2: back in the day, right you we didn't We did
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Speaker 2: not see that one coming. So that one was like,
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Speaker 2: oh yeah, what right? And then when you're like, hey,
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Speaker 2: I'm a five we're a five hundred team, and this
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Speaker 2: guy's expiring contract and it's obvious that you know there's
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Speaker 2: a chance there's a good chance of that guy's getting traded.
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Speaker 2: You're just like you're already packed, and you're you're already
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Speaker 2: starting to pack.
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Speaker 3: You're already ready to go.
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Speaker 2: Everyone knows that's part of the business. And you're like, hey, man,
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Speaker 2: I love you, but I'm going to probably go to
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Speaker 2: a chance to win and I've enjoyed my time here,
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Speaker 2: but you know, we'll see, we'll see what happens when
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Speaker 2: I'm free agent, if I can come back, blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: But there's two totally different vibes that can really get you.
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Speaker 2: It's weird. It's like, especially if you don't want to
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Speaker 2: go anywhere and or you're you know, hey, i've got
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Speaker 2: two more years left on my deal and I don't
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Speaker 2: want to go to that team, it sucks. But if
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Speaker 2: you're like, hey, I'm going to be a free agent
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Speaker 2: and I want to go somewhere to win and you
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Speaker 2: know we're not going for it, it's like, hey, cool,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna make the best of the situations.
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of different ways you can take it.
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Speaker 1: I think it's worth retelling the the Kelly Craig trade
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Speaker 1: for Lackey, Right, So teams in San Diego, they just
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Speaker 1: completed the deal mo in San Diego. The hotel is
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Speaker 1: like twenty yards from the ballpark. Mo had completed the
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Speaker 1: deal and was on his way to the clubhouse, which
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Speaker 1: was open at the time. Right media's in there, and
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Speaker 1: Moe was coming across the street to tell the players
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Speaker 1: to tell Craig and to tell Kelly about the trade.
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Speaker 1: Apparently one of the agents leaked it, and all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, it's on the ESPN crawl and that's where
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Speaker 1: they saw it.
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Speaker 3: And you saw, I mean.
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Speaker 1: Major leaguers with tears in their eyes because Kelly didn't
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Speaker 1: want to go, and certainly Craig didn't want to go,
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Speaker 1: and no one told them, So I mean, that's the
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Speaker 1: tough part. And you mentioned like, if you're a guy
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Speaker 1: that's married, you have a family, and you didn't expect
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Speaker 1: to go, all of a sudden, you're calling your wife
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Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, sell the house, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I'll see you when I can. It's not easy the
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Speaker 1: family's involved.
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Speaker 2: That was when I learned early on not to buy
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Speaker 2: where I played, because who knows when they'll ship your
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Speaker 2: ass out of there. So I was a rinner.
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Speaker 1: Have you been in a situation where you're like, please
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Speaker 1: get me out of here. Please get me I want
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Speaker 1: to be traded, Please get me out of here.
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Speaker 2: I would say the both times that I was traded
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Speaker 2: in Minnesota and when I was with the White Sox,
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Speaker 2: I went to the Yankees and Dodgers, it wasn't get
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Speaker 2: me out of here. It was one of those things
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Speaker 2: where it's like, hey, if you're selling, make sure I'm
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Speaker 2: on that list of sale items. So that was maybe
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Speaker 2: that's mad is Hey, I want to be out of here.
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Speaker 2: But it's like, no, like I you know, obviously you're
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Speaker 2: playing on teams that are if they're selling, you're not
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Speaker 2: doing well.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: In Minnesota, I think I was. You know, at both times,
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Speaker 2: you're just like you see it on the wall and
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Speaker 2: you're like, you know, if I don't want to be
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Speaker 2: a little leftover piece. So it's like and if they
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Speaker 2: come and ask you, you're like, yeah, put me in
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Speaker 2: there or make me, make me on the market, if
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Speaker 2: that makes sense. So but I you know, I never
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Speaker 2: signed anywhere where I was like, hey, I want to
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Speaker 2: be out. It's like, hey, if it comes to it,
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Speaker 2: I'm cool with going. And I think a lot of
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Speaker 2: people were like that, nobody if you want out, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's pretty you know, it's got to be pretty bad.
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Speaker 3: But I would say I can't. I'm on line.
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Speaker 2: I'm lying now, I'm lying. That last year in Chicago
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Speaker 2: when I went to l A, I wanted out.
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Speaker 1: It was a zoo in Chicago. You with the White Sox,
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Speaker 1: that team was like just a ship lost at sea?
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Speaker 3: Was that that last year? Was it got? Uh?
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Speaker 2: It was it just we just did not play well.
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Speaker 2: And then when you know, when Tony got that first
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Speaker 2: year with Tony and everybody, we played well, we won
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Speaker 2: the division. The next year we were we were a
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Speaker 2: five hundred team underachieved. Then we had new new manager,
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Speaker 2: a lot of new coaches, and a lot of a
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Speaker 2: lot of people figuring out what direction that place was
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Speaker 2: actually going. And it was we were not playing well
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Speaker 2: and it was not a not the best of best
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Speaker 2: of vibes.
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Speaker 1: So the Cardinals are in a kind of bad situation
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Speaker 1: right now. Hopefully they'll bust out of it. One of
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Speaker 1: the things I think kind of lies under the radar
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Speaker 1: is the Cardinals have done a really good job with
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Speaker 1: their young pitchers, right and that's the future of the
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Speaker 1: ball club because it starts with starting pitching. But if
17:11
Speaker 1: you look at how Lahey has kind of come into
17:14
Speaker 1: his own. Polantes an eleven game winner, he's come into
17:17
Speaker 1: his own. And McGreevy, though he gets zero run support,
17:21
Speaker 1: I mean he gets fifth worst in all of baseball,
17:24
Speaker 1: has come into his.
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Speaker 3: Own for him.
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Speaker 1: He'll go six and a third give up four and
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Speaker 1: that's like a bad start for him.
17:30
Speaker 3: Do you think the Cardinals don't.
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Speaker 1: Get enough credit for and Libby hopefully he comes around
17:35
Speaker 1: right now he's in a bad way. But do you
17:37
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals don't get enough credit for kind of
17:39
Speaker 1: really handling these young pictures pretty well?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: And then when you're like, here's the thing is when
17:45
Speaker 2: you're not when none of them are quote unquote becoming aces,
17:50
Speaker 2: you don't get their recognition that you deserve, if that
17:54
Speaker 2: makes sense. So like Dussey and the coaching staff and
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Speaker 2: what they're coming up and what they're doing, how these
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Speaker 2: guys are evolving as big leaguers and using their stuff
18:04
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, Yes, they should get a lot
18:05
Speaker 2: of credit because if you look at each guy's projections
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Speaker 2: or ceilings and all that they're they're they're what three
18:14
Speaker 2: four starters is what they're projected to be like at
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Speaker 2: their peak, and they're pitching the way they are, and
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Speaker 2: they're pitching they're pitching I guess better than anyone expected
18:26
Speaker 2: them to do they expected them to So yes, that
18:29
Speaker 2: is a coaching, but it's also them being able to
18:31
Speaker 2: implement what they're good at, how they're like to do things,
18:33
Speaker 2: and then being able to keep building on what they've got.
18:37
Speaker 2: So yeah, they should get a little bit more credit
18:39
Speaker 2: for what they're doing. And then they're also kind of
18:42
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys are trying to show that
18:43
Speaker 2: they can be a part of the pitching staff. And
18:47
Speaker 2: if you have these guys become bonafide threes and everyone's
18:51
Speaker 2: everyone wants a one or two, I get it. But
18:53
Speaker 2: if they're bonafide threes, and then you can go get
18:56
Speaker 2: your one or two on the market. Why these guys
18:58
Speaker 2: are making very you know, small salaries and arbitration or
19:03
Speaker 2: in or pre are that's how you that's how you
19:06
Speaker 2: build winners. So this is huge for what they're doing.
19:09
Speaker 2: They have guys that are becoming bona fide threes, and
19:13
Speaker 2: then you can go out and get two ones on
19:15
Speaker 2: the market, and then you've got threes making you know,
19:18
Speaker 2: minimum or below market value, and then you can pay
19:21
Speaker 2: those guys that touch more to be your ones and
19:23
Speaker 2: now you become Hey, this is how we become a
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Speaker 2: super contender. So yeah, that's huge form and the coaching
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Speaker 2: staff and Dusty and those guys should definitely get a
19:33
Speaker 2: lot of credit for that.
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Speaker 1: You know, mcgreev, you got a little run support, Like,
19:37
Speaker 1: to me, there's a fine one. If you're one, it's
19:40
Speaker 1: a different animal.
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Speaker 3: I get that. It's a fine line between two and threes, right, agreev.
19:45
Speaker 2: With the run support, there's there's only there's only like
19:48
Speaker 2: five ones in all of baseball, to be honest with you,
19:51
Speaker 2: and then there's a bunch of twos and then your threes,
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Speaker 2: three and fours and then your five. So that's that's
19:58
Speaker 2: way too beyond your brain power. I'll incorporate that later
20:03
Speaker 2: in life.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: But like mcgreevy's numbers, you have like a sub three
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Speaker 1: era and you have what four wins or something. He
20:13
Speaker 1: gets like three point five runs for again fifth worst.
20:16
Speaker 2: If you're he's got two games going against him, he's
20:18
Speaker 2: either a bad teammate or he needs to start buying
20:21
Speaker 2: more dinners. That's all I needed, That's all, And I
20:24
Speaker 2: know he's not a bad teammate, So he needs to
20:25
Speaker 2: start buying dinners and getting guys on his side.
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Speaker 1: If have you been through a season where you got
20:31
Speaker 1: zero run support and might have had, you know, eighteen
20:34
Speaker 1: nineteen wins, if someone hit a little bit for you,
20:38
Speaker 1: and how do you handle that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have I'm trying to think I was. I
20:43
Speaker 2: was always known to be a great teammate, so people
20:45
Speaker 2: score runs for me for the most part, But there
20:48
Speaker 2: was times where you go through stretches where you'd have
20:51
Speaker 2: like six or seven or to ten quality starts, and
20:54
Speaker 2: next thing you know, you're like, man, I can't can't
20:58
Speaker 2: buy a win. That comes with that comes with the
21:00
Speaker 2: flow of things. You know, we could look up in
21:03
Speaker 2: the second half, he can get all the best run
21:05
Speaker 2: support in all of baseball. And then and then next
21:07
Speaker 2: thing you know, he ends the season at twelve, and
21:10
Speaker 2: you know, twelve and whatever he is, and he had
21:12
Speaker 2: a great year, and you look back and it's like, oh, hey,
21:16
Speaker 2: good job. And then it's a great year for him
21:18
Speaker 2: as a first year in the big league. So comes
21:20
Speaker 2: with the territory. You just have to weather it, not
21:22
Speaker 2: bitch about it, because the more you bitch about it,
21:25
Speaker 2: the more it happens, is what I've learned. The more
21:27
Speaker 2: you put it out in the universe, the shittier that
21:29
Speaker 2: you're going to get kicked in the sack. So just
21:31
Speaker 2: just just just wear it, go on, don't say a word.
21:35
Speaker 2: And that's that's whom Agrieve he is. I know he's
21:37
Speaker 2: just he's gonna wear it and know that he's just
21:39
Speaker 2: doing his job and that's what he's got to do.
21:41
Speaker 2: And it will all what's happened, Jim at all.
21:44
Speaker 1: It evens out now because I have a small brain
21:49
Speaker 1: and everything you were saying, you know, I looked up
21:51
Speaker 1: the definition in Webster's Old School Player and there's a
21:56
Speaker 1: picture of Lance Lind there.
21:57
Speaker 3: So I want to ask you our last till right,
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Speaker 3: et cetera.
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Speaker 1: Wins Some people say they have no value, and I
22:05
Speaker 1: say they do not every season because to me, stature
22:09
Speaker 1: just a piece of the puzzle. But there are pictures
22:12
Speaker 1: that have more wins, and that tells me maybe they
22:14
Speaker 1: know when they could ease up a little bit. They
22:18
Speaker 1: know how to attack the lineup when they don't have
22:20
Speaker 1: their best stuff. Is in your opinion, as mister old
22:25
Speaker 1: School is wins a meaningless set.
22:29
Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: If we're if we're playing a win loss sport. How
22:33
Speaker 2: is it a meaningless stat? It's the old thing. It's like, hey,
22:37
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have to outrun the bear. I
22:39
Speaker 2: just have to outrun the person next to me. So
22:42
Speaker 2: when you're playing a game, you have to go at
22:45
Speaker 2: least five plus innings and you have to come out
22:48
Speaker 2: of the game with a lead. So yes, there comes
22:51
Speaker 2: some strategory to that. There comes like it means something.
22:54
Speaker 2: And if it doesn't mean anything at the end of
22:57
Speaker 2: the year, why do we not just say, hey, we
23:00
Speaker 2: just go play a bunch of games. We won't have
23:02
Speaker 2: win loss. We'll just end the games after nine innings,
23:04
Speaker 2: and then the team with the best win loss differential
23:08
Speaker 2: or starting another or the was it run differential the
23:11
Speaker 2: best run differential? The six best teams are the best
23:14
Speaker 2: run differential. At the end of the year, they're in
23:17
Speaker 2: the playoffs. But then then wins and the loss of
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Speaker 2: matter in the playoffs. So yes, wins matter because you
23:23
Speaker 2: know what, if you win the game, you're a winner.
23:25
Speaker 2: If you lose the game, you're a loser. No matter
23:27
Speaker 2: how good or bad you did. You pitch shitty that day,
23:29
Speaker 2: but you outlasted the other guy that pitched shitty, you're
23:32
Speaker 2: a winner that day. And if you pitch really good
23:34
Speaker 2: and you both give if you give up one run
23:36
Speaker 2: and he gives up nine, then you're a loser that day,
23:38
Speaker 2: and you didn't pitch good enough. And so yes, wins
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Speaker 2: do you matter?
23:42
Speaker 3: Well stated, and you, sir, are constant to like Lance.
23:46
Speaker 3: Thank you. I think you had a big show today.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Terror
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Speaker 1: to We'll see you next time.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully that edition won't suck.