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#40: Instant Awakening: Accessing Your Deepest States of Mind in a Moment with Paige Britt · Love Conquers Fear

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  What I've noticed is that I don't have any trouble teaching
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  people how to access that level of mind.
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  That's that intuitive, deeper level of knowing.
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  The problem is trusting it. People go into deep States and
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  they have this immediate contact with who they are.
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  So you're essentially experiencing yourself the
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  medicine. That you have inside of you.
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  I say the medicine is in us. We actually are the medicine.
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  You're not the problem. Thanks again everybody for
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  tuning in to the Love Conquers Fear podcast.
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  This has been a really really busy week.
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  By the time you see this, this essay will be a little bit
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  dated, but Dario Modi, who is the Co founder and CEO of
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  Anthropic came out with a really foundational essay for AI called
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  The Adolescence of Technology. And this, this is probably the
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  best essay I've read to date which lays out the risk of AI
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  and the ways that it could be used or really run out of
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  control. It comes with the credibility of
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  someone who really is running away with it at this point for
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  the AI frontier model battle, I guess you could say between
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  ChatGPT and other models for the business side, one of the ways
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  to think about, you know, the two biggest AI foundation
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  companies, which are open AI and then Thropic.
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  And then Thropic is largely former open AI people, including
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  Dario is that Entropic looks like they're trying to become
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  the Microsoft of the frontier model space, really focusing on
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  business and business applications.
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  And Thropic Cowork came out recently, which allows Enthropic
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  to be used by everyone in an organization and all different
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  job functions to help them automate all types of work,
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  which a lot of people have an aversion to that word
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  automation. Does that mean job replacement?
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  Yes, it does mean that in some ways, but it also means that the
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  barrier to creativity is being shattered.
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  And there's a lot of drudgery that people go through and work
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  to get to the creative stuff. And I've long held that as we
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  approach the age of Abundance for All, we're going to enter
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  into the Renaissance 2 dot O period for humanity with an
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  explosion in creativity. And that is what Enthropic is
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  really focused on in the business environment.
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  The other thing that I've laid out, you know, many times before
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  is that there'll be millions of new startups as that barrier to
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  creativity is shattered because each individual's capabilities
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  to create businesses are greatly enhanced.
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  You know, people have looked at me sometimes in past speeches as
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  the guy that's been programming since he was 7, etcetera, and
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  say, well, that's why he's where he's at.
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  And that's partially true for where the world was.
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  But I always remind people, even back in those days, pre AI, that
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  hey, you can get a technology Co founder and you know, really run
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  through walls together as you're trying to build something great,
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  really change the world for the better.
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  But now those barriers are being shattered and it's opening the
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  aperture for the number of people that can do amazing
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  things. I wrote about Dario Modi in
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  October of 2024 when he came out with his very optimistic essay
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  on AI called Machines of Loving Grace, which is a shout out to a
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  historical title back in the day.
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  And I cover all of that in that essay that I wrote.
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  I'll put a link in the show notes.
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  But this, this new essay, it's 36 pages long on the adolescence
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  of technology really is his a prayer for all of us to say.
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  Look, I'm going to be really honest with you all on how I see
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  the risk as the CEO of Anthropic, and I really would
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  encourage you to dig into it. I'll put a link in the show
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  notes. It is a very foundational piece.
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  He's seen the acceleration happen at a pace where the next
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  one to two years from now are really going to be foundational.
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  I've long held it, the next 10 to 15 years of the most
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  important in humanity's whole entire existence as we decide,
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  And it really is a choice. Are we going to manifest a world
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  of abundance for everyone on this planet?
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  Or are we going to continue to subscribe to the 0 sum power
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  based, fear based scarcity mindset games?
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  And it's hard for humanity to overcome that because we're
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  receiving a ton of programming. We inherit that programming, and
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  there's just a lot for us to overcome as we transcend the
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  amygdala and allow the heart to conquer the head, or love to
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  conquer fear as we unify. And I've written about that in
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  my science fiction novella, The Lattice, which you can see me
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  read for free online as a gift to all the podcast subscribers
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  on on episode 27. I came out with that on January
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  1st about how humanity could unite.
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  So we make it to that age of abundance for all.
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  So that's a really big piece of news.
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  On the book front, I continue to work my way through the seed of
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  the soul for the second time. As I said this year, 2026 is all
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  about embodiment for me. That's my theme for the year.
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  Last year was all about the inner journey.
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  I read over 55 books, so I'm revisiting some of the best of
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  one of the things that's really interesting is that I didn't do
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  last year is I want to see what Gary Zukob is up to and and I'm
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  going to ask him to be on this podcast.
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  I haven't yet, so I don't know what he'll say, but but I know
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  that Evan Alexander's coming on the author proof of Heaven,
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  which was a really big eye opener for me.
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  The most transcendent near death experience documented and a
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  really famous author, an amazing human being.
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  But I decided, hey, let's see what Gary's up to and start a
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  TuneIn to several podcast he's been on.
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  I'll include a link to one in here called Know Thyself, which
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  is a really, really good interview with him and what I
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  learned in that, because I always wondered in the seat of
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  the soul, like how did he get this knowledge about our soul?
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  It's so incredibly. Poignant.
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  And it just rings so true as you read the book.
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  I mean, it's really just completely divine.
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  But I'd highly encourage you all to to read, especially listen to
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  it on Audible. You know where Oprah Winfrey
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  reads the 25th anniversary preface?
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  The whole book is read by Gary Zhukov.
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  You can really hear the motion and awe in his voice as he reads
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  it. And you know, he's now coming
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  forward and saying that it was channeled through this entity
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  called Genesis and that ultimately he was transcribing
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  what he was channeling, which reminds me of A Course of
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  Miracles or Course in Miracles, which is a channel, the modern
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  day channeling of messages from Jesus Christ to humanity and on
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  the way that we should live. John Mackey and many others are
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  on that. John Mackey was on episode 30 of
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  this podcast. He's the founder of Whole Foods.
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  And we, we talked about that, that I have a lot of other
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  friends that are into that, that are in study groups.
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  So you know that that channeling phenomenon.
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  And I've, I've talked about the Law of 1, the raw contact on
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  this podcast too, which was a channel from a higher level
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  alien intelligence that's a collective.
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  And there's a lot of really profound messages in that book
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  too. I still don't exactly know what
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  to think about that one, but there's a lot in it that rings
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  true. And the Law of 1 is essentially
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  that love must conquer fear, that the Prime creator wants us
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  all to embody love and selfless service, which, you know,
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  repeats through all the spiritual traditions.
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  So that's the intro. I'm.
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  I'm going to go ahead and get right into this episode because
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  you won't want to miss this. I have Paige Britt on, and this
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  has been a long time in the making.
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  Thanks so much for being here, Paige.
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  Yeah. It's so nice to be here.
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  Yeah, what an honor to have you on.
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  Well, thank you. Yeah, I'm so pleased to be a
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  part of what you're doing. Well.
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  Thank you. Thank you so much.
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  Yeah. So I should give a shout out
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  here to Gabby Polar. Yeah, who?
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  Used to be the head fundraiser for the Psychedelics Research
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  Center at UT Austin, which is how we originally met.
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  And now she's on to lots of other great initiatives at UT,
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  including one where she's she's working with you to to hook you
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  and participants up to bring computer interfaces to discuss.
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  Your work. We'll get into that, yeah.
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  That's going to be really exciting, yeah.
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  So the way the way I met you is Gabby was like, you have to come
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  in here and experience this. And I know you're a pioneer of
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  this field relational awakening. Why don't we just start with
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  what relational awakening is? Because the experience I had
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  with you is really, it was really pretty profound and and
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  it wasn't an ideal place to have it because we were in.
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  The Psychedelics Research Center we were in an.
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  Office. Yeah, there was a lot of noise
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  around like, you know, but but it still, it still was really
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  deep and meditative. And I remember just manifesting
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  so much love. That's right.
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  Which which that happens every time I meditate, by the way,
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  every time I meditate. I went to a silent meditation
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  retreat at the beginning of this year, and every time I meditate,
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  I start to just radiate A tremendous amount of gratitude.
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  I ask a practitioner about that recently for a Siddha Maha yoga,
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  which is another form of meditation.
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  I've been studying with this mentor Guruji, who's a
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  practitioner in that, and I asked him about that and I said,
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  why is it always me radiating this much to other people?
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  Like, should I also be concerned I'm not radiating as much love
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  to myself? And he gave a beautiful answer
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  and it literally moved me to tears.
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  He said, well, you would not have the ability to radiate love
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  to so many if you didn't also have so much love in in your
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  heart, which means that you are embodying love, including for
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  yourself. And I thought that was so
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  beautiful, resonated so, so much.
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  But you know, I've talked about a lot on this podcast that love
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  in my heart comes from my mom from being age 7 and her really
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  believing in me and learning how to program with me and giving me
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  that gift of non prejudice to allow me to do that my whole
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  childhood. And eventually it turned into
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  this career and this the amazing outcomes we've had.
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  And now, being able to do this with love Conquers Fear.
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  Yeah. And you know what I really
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  remember about you, Brett, even though we were in that noisy
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  office surrounded by so many people, and is that when we
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  shifted? And so now I'm starting about
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  relational awakening. Relational awakening is, is
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  helping people access expanded states of consciousness, which
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  are amplified states of love. Expanded consciousness is an
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  amplification really, of connection.
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  And so we sat together in that office space or boardroom, and
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  we went into this expanded state, and the first thing you
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  started to do was transmit that to people in your life.
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  So you immediately started talking about your wife and your
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  rabbi and your friends. And I would say a few weeks
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  later I was in this room and I met your wife and your friends
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  and your rabbi. So your first instinct always is
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  to give it away. That's true.
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  It's an act of generosity. So true.
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  That's a hallmark of you, Brett. Well, thank you so much for
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  saying that means means a lot. And just to be clear to the
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  listeners here, people watching this, I wasn't saying anything
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  out loud like you were reading that somehow, you know, you
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  were, we were kind of on a voyage and consciousness
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  together as I was in that state. And you know, I wanted to have
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  friends experience it. So I hosted you here actually in
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  this room and I wanted to get a session in but but I basically
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  give it away to everybody else. You did give it away to everyone
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  else. But I no regrets.
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  I'm I'm happy that I did. And it was, it was, it was, it
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  was they had, they had really great experiences.
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  So. So the way I language it and I,
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  I stick to very generic or a language because different
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  people come to me and they are from different spiritual
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  backgrounds. So what I say is that I help
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  people access this field of shared consciousness.
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  So you were referring to that. So I shift, and when I shift,
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  there's an invitation to the being in front of me to shift.
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  As well and. When I say shift, what I mean is
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  to loosen your grip on your individual consciousness.
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  Yeah. So we loosen that up a little
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  bit, we shift, we go into this expanded level of mind, which is
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  an expanded level of heart. And then we connect from there.
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  And then things begin to get a little interesting.
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  And what I mean is reality can get rather bendy at that point.
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  And so people have experiences that are not unlike psychedelics
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  and or deep states of meditation.
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  So what I'm introducing people to through what I call
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  relational awakening is actually not anything new.
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  I think accessing these expanded states of mind and heart are
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  really what make us human. But what's maybe unique or novel
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  is that it's transmitted from one person to another.
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  And so often people have been experiencing these states maybe
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  through deep breath work, or maybe they've done long periods
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  of meditation, or maybe they've done some physical activity
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  that's altered their consciousness, or they've
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  altered it through a pharmaceutical or a plant
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  medicine. And what I'm doing is in like a
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  matter of moments, just transmitting that.
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  And so the veil is one way of thinking about it.
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  The veil of our separation is lifted immediately, and then
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  what transpires next really depends on the person.
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  And So what transpired with you was very, it's very personal.
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  It was, it was very much like who you are, that urge or that
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  drive toward generosity. Other people have other
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  experiences depending on who and where they are in their life,
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  who they are, where they are. So people will have feelings of
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  deep love and connection. They may see or sense people who
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  have passed. They might see lights or they
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  might just have some kind of direct knowing of some deep
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  truth that has maybe eluded them in their everyday life.
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  Yeah. So all of those things are
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  available and I just transmit them.
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  Yeah. And people pick them up because
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  or pick up that transmission because we're made that way.
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  Yeah, I mean, I there's, there's so much to unpack there.
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  I mean, you know, the last year on this, what I'll call a soul
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  quest, you know, this, this reading so many books, you know,
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  it was really to try to decode our reality, which I don't think
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  it's fully possible to ever decode it.
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  But there are certain things that are repeating patterns,
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  whether they're in quantum physics or, you know, studies of
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  consciousness or spirituality. And these things really matter
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  because there's all this talk of us being on the cusp of
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  inventing, you know, sentient machines.
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  It'll be every bit as conscious as we are.
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  And I'm curious, you know, how you view our reality.
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  I mean, like one of the things that that I've that I've seen
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  through the study of ancient spiritual text and trying to
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  look at the unification between them is that they're all rooted
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  in love, conquering fear that that that is a common route.
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  And the reason I think it's important to look for a common
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  route is that there is all this human created scaffolding, I'll
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  say that sits on top of religion that can really be programming
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  us for separation. You know, for example, the caste
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  system is in the Bhagavad Gita. The Bhagavad Gita is amazing
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  read, you know, but it starts out with the caste system.
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  That's actually towards the beginning.
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  Overlay is present. Yeah, and but but the but the
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  rest of it is just so good. You know that it's worth reading
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  the whole thing and the setup of it being on battlefield with
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  Krishna and Arjuna and you know, Krishna being the embodiment of
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  God. And never forget the part of it
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  where Arjuna asked Krishna to show him God and he does.
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  And he's like, OK, stop, stop. You know.
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  But that part, you know, read by Stephen Mitchell is translated
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  by him. You can feel like your heart
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  just accelerate during that part.
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  It is really, I mean, it's amazing.
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  But, you know, no matter what it is in these spiritual
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  traditions, it seems like our actual reality that we come from
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  is 1 of love and light. And in this world of form, this
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  Earth school is, as Gary Zukov would call it, in the seat of
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  the soul. We're constantly separated from
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  that. And it seems like we're
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  separated and in a lot of ways to force us to love and
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  rediscover it, to learn how to be better and better human
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  beings. So it, it, you know, it's like a
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  tough teacher as opposed to just giving us the answers on the
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  quiz so that we can constantly manifest more and, and therefore
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  our souls can grow lifetime to lifetime as we ascend to
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  eventually just reemerge with God.
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  And I'm just, you know, there's, there's lots of books that I've
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  decoded on this podcast, like Journey of Souls by Michael
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  Newton. I'm just curious like how, how
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  you view it given this the the ability that you have and how do
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  you, how do you view our reality?
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  Well, so I would just say that I work with people.
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  I actually have people all over the world.
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  I work with people one-on-one. I actually stopped working
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  one-on-one just to teach, but I have people all over the world
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  that I've sat with in this capacity.
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  And it doesn't matter what background they're from.
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  Like when we shift into this field of shared consciousness,
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  there's an an immediate recognition of our true nature.
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  And our true nature is one of deep connection, wisdom,
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  intelligence, and love. And so there's this.
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  We we hear, at least I hear the word non dual quite a bit and at
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  a very practical level. Non dual consciousness is the
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  consciousness of oneness and so. There's nothing abstract or
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  conceptual when we sit together in a relation awakening.
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  There's a direct experience of it, and people language it
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  differently. So that's that cultural overlay
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  that you were referring to and those all of those different
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  wisdom texts. So they language it differently,
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  but the experience of it is the same and there's an opening that
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  happens. In the heart and the mind
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  actually, so the ordinary mind will say that the ordinary mind
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  just powers down. So that constant chatter, that
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  constant I would say drive. What about me?
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  So a lot of our actions are one that are patterned and what?
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  How do I? Take care of myself, which
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  there's some we care deeply about the animal body, but then
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  there's kind of like that ego at drive mine, me and mine.
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  So that actually begins to slow down.
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  And then what happens is that there's this opening up of the
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  we and people know it immediately.
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  And the outgrowth of that is an ethic.
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  That is, just like you said, grounded in love.
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  And that, mind me, drive is the one that's grounded in fear,
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  right? Right.
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  And so people have the experience of it.
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  It's life changing because it's a source of wisdom and wisdom
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  heals. It's a, it's a medicine, right?
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  And it's a source of eternal wisdom.
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  It's eternal wisdom, Yeah. So that's what relational
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  awakening is. And I call it relational because
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  in our contemporary society, and I would say probably through the
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  ages as well, is that we've developed many practices that
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  are individual in nature and they're wonderful.
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  So I want to say very clearly, keep it up.
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  Do your meditation practices, the practices that I teach are
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  all relational. So you're never alone doing a
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  practice. You're always with another
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  person because access to this field of share consciousness is
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  amplified when two or more are gathered.
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  And that's a piece of eternal wisdom as well.
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  So I teach people how to do this shift.
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  So again, it's the, it's the slowing down of the ordinary
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  level of mind and the opening up or accessing of this expanded
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  level of mind, which is also expanded level of heart.
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  So that's the shift and you do it with another person and it
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  happens quicker, it's easier and it's amplified when you're in
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  pairs. And so that it's a whole path
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  that is relational in nature. So there aren't any individual
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  practices that are taught. And so the initial transmission,
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  it happens with me, I'll just shift.
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  And the amazing thing is how easy it is because of what it,
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  and I, I don't know, this is where the research is going to
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  come in, where we're so excited. I don't know what's going on in
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  the brain, I suspect, and I'll just use my lay language, but
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  that there's a pathway that is opened.
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  And so they're like, oh, there it is.
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  I've been searching and I've been opening or accessing that
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  pathway through these beautiful spiritual practices.
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  And here's another one. And this one is a little faster,
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  I would say it's accelerated and it's amplified.
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  And so when that pathway is opened and you know, through the
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  initial transmission, then we practice keeping it open and
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  then it just becomes the new normal.
• 24:58
  And you know, going going back in time for you in this in this
• 25:03
  lifetime, like when did you realize you had this skill to
• 25:07
  help shift people because you you first, I'm sure realized you
• 25:12
  had the skill to shift yourself. Yeah.
• 25:14
  Right, right. That's so.
• 25:16
  You're absolutely correct. I started shifting myself when I
• 25:20
  was 4, which might sound amazing, and I just want to say
• 25:24
  it is not. I would access unity
• 25:28
  consciousness when I was very, very young, and I don't think
• 25:31
  that's abnormal. I think we come into this world
• 25:35
  wired for connection in this undifferentiated field of
• 25:41
  intelligence and love. I mean, we just.
• 25:43
  Pop out. That's our infant consciousness,
• 25:46
  right? So, and then we began to develop
• 25:51
  a separate sense of self and we could say that there is these
• 25:54
  different conditionings or imprinting that happened and it
• 25:57
  that open, connected, expansive level of mind and heart begins
• 26:02
  to get contracted or constricted.
• 26:05
  So I was accessing this when I was 4.
• 26:08
  But again, I think that's our standard install.
• 26:12
  But I did deliberate practices because I was very curious.
• 26:15
  And I actually have a children's book that I wrote.
• 26:18
  It's published by Scholastic Press, which is very traditional
• 26:22
  press. And the book is called Why Am I
• 26:25
  Me? Because that was the inquiry
• 26:28
  that I had when I was very young.
• 26:30
  And I would look at somebody like I'm looking at you and I'd
• 26:34
  be like, well, why am I me? And you're you, and why am I not
• 26:39
  you and you are not me. It's a little mind puzzle that
• 26:43
  would actually much like, say, a Cohen would kind of glitch my
• 26:49
  brain. To be honest, I was only four,
• 26:52
  so I didn't have a lot going on. He.
• 26:55
  Didn't have great words to talk about.
• 26:57
  It I didn't have a lot of content, right, Right.
• 27:00
  So it would glitch it and I would have this feeling where
• 27:03
  the me would just fall away and I would go into what felt like
• 27:10
  to my very young self, like a cosmic expanse.
• 27:17
  And so then it I would come back into the me, but I knew that I
• 27:25
  wasn't really me. And so I would walk around with
• 27:30
  that sense of simultaneously being me and not me.
• 27:35
  And there wasn't anything frightening about it.
• 27:39
  It was actually kind of exciting.
• 27:41
  Oh, yeah, no, it's, it's, it's incredibly exciting when you see
• 27:44
  that our reality is actually rooted in love.
• 27:48
  It's it's the most beautiful feeling you can have.
• 27:51
  That's right to. See that?
• 27:53
  And I remember being quite young and I, I was born in the late
• 27:57
  60s. And so the whole space was
• 28:00
  really opening up in terms of like us going to the moon and
• 28:04
  that kind of space. And I remember seeing pictures
• 28:08
  and saying to my mother that I had been there to this outer
• 28:12
  space. And my mom said, Oh, no, no,
• 28:13
  that's outer space. And I remember saying, but I, I
• 28:16
  went through my belly button and to outer space.
• 28:21
  And so these questions of inner and outer, they began to I used
• 28:28
  to play with them a little bit until again, that glitch would
• 28:30
  happen. And I think that is again, one
• 28:33
  of the fundamental teachings of like non dual spiritual
• 28:38
  traditions is that their inner space and outer space, there
• 28:41
  isn't, there's no separation. And so I realized that when I
• 28:46
  was quite young. And again, I want to stress, I
• 28:48
  don't think that's such a big deal.
• 28:50
  I think maybe what's interesting is that I remember it.
• 28:54
  So that's when I started doing that.
• 28:58
  And then, you know, I turned 5 and I went to school and.
• 29:02
  That sense of separation came on strong because.
• 29:05
  You know, I went through all the normal phases of human
• 29:08
  development, the IME mine, and then I had to unlearn them all
• 29:13
  again and return exactly where I was when I was 4.
• 29:17
  And I think that is a very, I would say, common spiritual path
• 29:23
  is to return to our natural state, but also to have the
• 29:27
  wisdom that we gained. Through our life.
• 29:29
  But not let it cut us off or disconnect us from the
• 29:33
  fundamental nature of who we are, which is like evident from
• 29:39
  the moment we arrived on this planet.
• 29:41
  When did you start to turn back to it and say, I want to, I want
• 29:46
  to return to. Yeah, that 4 year old version of
• 29:50
  me. And and, you know, just just for
• 29:52
  context there, you know, there's a great book by Jack Kornfield
• 29:57
  called After the Ecstasy, The Laundry, you know, this book.
• 30:01
  Yeah. And you know, he's, he's talking
• 30:05
  primarily about Buddhism, but it doesn't really matter.
• 30:08
  It's the same, it's, it's all the same with the unit
• 30:11
  unification of this root. But he taught, you know, he, he
• 30:16
  really shares in that book how the spiritual path takes a lot
• 30:20
  of work. You know.
• 30:21
  It really does. And and this deprogramming
• 30:25
  oneself, you know, Taro talked about that on the episode.
• 30:29
  He's the founder and CEO of four Sigmatic.
• 30:32
  You know, he talked about his spiritual awakening and how much
• 30:35
  deprogramming he had to do. That's where I got the the book
• 30:39
  recommendation of Awareness by Anthony D'mello.
• 30:41
  Out of 130 books he read, that was his favorite.
• 30:44
  And that book is all about waking up.
• 30:46
  And I reread that book at the beginning of this year in
• 30:51
  preparation and throughout the silent meditation retreat that I
• 30:56
  went on. But I'm just curious, like for
• 31:00
  you, when did you turn back to it?
• 31:03
  And then, and then was it challenging for you?
• 31:06
  Because we, we do have this world of form kind of test all
• 31:10
  the time. I'll call them test.
• 31:12
  Whether it's the constant programming pushed at us that we
• 31:17
  could choose to either tune into or not, it's kind of hard to
• 31:21
  avoid, but that you know, you need to, you need to develop
• 31:29
  that inner string to not just kind of just fall into
• 31:34
  reprogramming. Yeah, I would say that I
• 31:38
  continued on my path and I felt like I was really searching for
• 31:43
  that 4 year old for many years. It felt quite distant.
• 31:49
  I, I actually went to seminary because I, I, I had these
• 31:53
  questions obviously of sort of ultimate nature.
• 31:57
  And so I went to seminary. So I have a master's in
• 32:00
  theology, which is an incredible exercise.
• 32:03
  Like I, I loved the life of the mind is precious and important.
• 32:08
  It's just not the ultimate. But I didn't find the answers
• 32:13
  there. And then I had an experience
• 32:15
  after I graduated from seminary where the the deprogramming was
• 32:20
  actually ripped away. I had a very traumatic
• 32:22
  experience. Somebody that I loved very
• 32:25
  dearly died from suicide. Yeah, it was.
• 32:30
  And. Like a friend.
• 32:32
  A friend of yours. Yes, someone, actually, my
• 32:34
  fiance, Brett. Oh, no, yeah.
• 32:37
  Gosh, I never knew. Paige.
• 32:38
  I'm so sorry. Yes, it was devastating.
• 32:41
  I was in my late 20s, and so this is a loss that I know very
• 32:45
  intimately. And it ripped away the
• 32:48
  deprogramming and the world opened up and I returned to that
• 32:53
  open, expansive state of that I had when I was young.
• 32:57
  But it was very destabilizing because I had had this great
• 33:03
  loss occur in conjunction with that.
• 33:06
  And so I had to learn how to stabilize from this loss.
• 33:11
  So I did any healing modalities, therapy.
• 33:15
  I also did somatic practices. I had a Hikomi therapist and I
• 33:19
  had acupuncture, and I did all the things in order to work
• 33:24
  really directly with that trauma.
• 33:28
  But I also knew that that experience was a spiritual
• 33:31
  event, as strange and as that might sound like, there was a
• 33:37
  spiritual component to that terrible loss, and I wanted to
• 33:40
  know more about that. And so I began to meditate.
• 33:45
  And to be honest, I would never even say that what I was doing
• 33:49
  was meditation. It was so simple and I would
• 33:53
  just sit just like this in the mornings.
• 33:58
  I would journal what was on my heart and then I would follow my
• 34:02
  breath into my belly for about 20 minutes.
• 34:07
  And that big practice began to grow and grow and grow until I
• 34:13
  became more serious about it. I actually went to a monastery
• 34:16
  once for about 3 months and really entered into the
• 34:19
  contemplative life and I found my way back to that 4 year old.
• 34:24
  But it was just glimpses. Short glimpses.
• 34:29
  And so I continued on in a very normal life, you know, married,
• 34:37
  working and, you know, had a household and all the busy
• 34:41
  things that anyone else would have.
• 34:43
  But I kept up that simple practice.
• 34:46
  And then I had a desire to write a children's book, and that was
• 34:52
  a really strong drive in me. And so I would sit every morning
• 34:58
  in meditation. And I eventually and this is
• 35:01
  like don't try this at home. I.
• 35:03
  Quit my really good job to write this children's book, and I
• 35:07
  would. I was so overcome with doubt and
• 35:12
  the discursive mind and all the negative things that it would
• 35:15
  say to me as I was trying to write this book.
• 35:18
  Like it really brought up all of that programming.
• 35:23
  It's a very intense thing to write a novel.
• 35:26
  And this children's book is like like 200 pages or something,
• 35:30
  like the Harry Potter level of like 88 for 8 year olds and so.
• 35:37
  What's the? What's the name of?
• 35:38
  This it's called the lost track of time, the.
• 35:40
  Lost track of time. And I had been working in the
• 35:42
  corporate world and was beset by this drive, this programming
• 35:48
  that our Western culture has, and it's probably spread across
• 35:51
  the globe, of this drive to be productive, that my worth was
• 35:56
  related to my productivity and that I had to achieve results.
• 36:01
  And those results had to be something that were trackable on
• 36:03
  paper, and that who I was was what I did.
• 36:08
  So those are some really strong messages that we receive.
• 36:13
  And that programming had taken a hold of me.
• 36:16
  And so writing this book, I had to deprogram all of that and the
• 36:21
  way I did it and I, I can look back on it and see what I was
• 36:26
  doing at the moment. I didn't know.
• 36:28
  But if I was writing from my ordinary mind, the noise inside
• 36:32
  my head was louder than the narrative that was trying to get
• 36:36
  across. And so I had to learn how to
• 36:39
  shift. And I learned how to shift into
• 36:43
  an expanded level of mind that was so creative and I had so
• 36:48
  much potential. And it was, I would say,
• 36:53
  psychedelic. I mean, I actually have never
• 36:55
  done psychedelics so I'm just using that word but but.
• 37:00
  But for what you understand. And alive and imaginative and
• 37:04
  anything was possible. And the story was.
• 37:07
  That's where the story came from.
• 37:10
  It didn't come from. My ordinary level of mind.
• 37:14
  And so in order to write the book that I felt such a strong
• 37:17
  desire to write, I had to shift into this other level of mind.
• 37:22
  And if you do that shifting, it's like breaking rocks.
• 37:27
  Actually. People don't want to hear that.
• 37:29
  They want a quick fix. But I worked on that book for
• 37:32
  about 3 years and I was shifting, shifting, shifting.
• 37:35
  And I eventually just stuck. I just stayed, but it took time.
• 37:42
  And then what happened was I realized that all of that was
• 37:45
  not about the book. It was about learning how to
• 37:49
  access this expanded level of mind.
• 37:52
  And the book itself is actually about that.
• 37:54
  It's. About a little girl who goes
• 37:56
  into this place called the Realm of Possibility.
• 37:59
  People immediately started coming to me for teaching and
• 38:02
  literally my first quote UN quote client was somebody I met
• 38:05
  at a bus stop because that expanded level of mine people
• 38:09
  can feel it when you're transmitting it.
• 38:13
  It actually feels like freedom. And so people started coming to
• 38:20
  me and I eventually just had to get I had a.
• 38:25
  Office that I shared with a therapist I got, I was like, can
• 38:28
  I just have this on Fridays? Because I could not actually
• 38:32
  handle all the people that were coming to me and they were
• 38:34
  coming at the grocery store. They're coming to me at a coffee
• 38:37
  shop. I didn't know them and I
• 38:40
  realized this level of mine is transmittable because I
• 38:47
  literally had someone back up back into me at a light.
• 38:52
  And I, we both got out of the car just to, to make sure the
• 38:55
  cars were OK and she picked up on it and was like, I wanted to
• 39:01
  meet with me. And so there's this.
• 39:04
  There was no interest in in actually having office hours,
• 39:08
  but I had to. And then just seeing people on
• 39:12
  Friday turn into Thursday and Friday and turn into Wednesday,
• 39:15
  Thursday. And and then I had a full time
• 39:17
  practice really helping people to access this and then training
• 39:22
  them to stabilize their access to this level of mind so that it
• 39:26
  became their. Everyday level of mind.
• 39:31
  Yeah. That's it.
• 39:33
  Wow. And now you've expanded into
• 39:38
  being a teacher for helping other people, you know, realize
• 39:44
  I'm going to call it a gift that I think you would say.
• 39:48
  And I love that you're so rooted in humility.
• 39:51
  And that's one of the things I've always loved about you
• 39:52
  since they first first met you. But I'm going to call it a gift,
• 39:58
  even though everybody has this ability like that innately, I
• 40:03
  think you would say we all have. I absolutely.
• 40:05
  This ability, because we're all part of consciousness.
• 40:08
  That's right. So we're, you know, really 2025
• 40:13
  was such an exciting year for the discussion of non local
• 40:20
  consciousness. You know, you had Dan Brown the
• 40:22
  secret of secrets, which is meticulously documented.
• 40:26
  All the scientific studies he refers to in the novel are all
• 40:32
  real studies. And he discloses that at the
• 40:35
  beginning you had Anika Harris with lights on and she she's
• 40:40
  married to Sam Harris. And you know, she concludes with
• 40:45
  consciousness is fundamental. You had the collective tape
• 40:49
  season 2 come out, which was really, really good about all
• 40:53
  different means of non local consciousness, whether it's
• 40:55
  plants or animals or children. You know, I had Michael Collins
• 40:59
  on on love conquers fear, who's an amazing documentary
• 41:04
  filmmaker. He's making a film on intuition,
• 41:07
  which is the art of living schools, which are one of the
• 41:13
  schools that they discuss at the on the last episode of the
• 41:16
  Telepathy Tapes Season 2. And this is happening with the
• 41:22
  rise of AI. And I don't think it's, you
• 41:25
  know, I don't believe actually in coincidences.
• 41:27
  I think that everything is part of a divine cosmic play.
• 41:32
  And there's so many synchronicities happening across
• 41:34
  8.2 billion. You know, human beings in the
• 41:37
  world and the computational like aspect of that is like beyond
• 41:42
  comprehension. And I think that's happening all
• 41:45
  over the universe. But that's a I've glimpsed that
• 41:48
  at times through either journeys or meditations, and I can just
• 41:52
  glimpse it for a moment and then it overwhelms my mind because
• 41:55
  it's just too much. It's a lot.
• 41:57
  Yeah, but you know, I just see the synchronicities daily in my
• 42:01
  life and that's a lot. And you know, I really believe
• 42:06
  things are happening for a reason.
• 42:09
  So those two things coming together, maybe we can talk
• 42:12
  about that later in the podcast, but but just to stay on point
• 42:15
  like. How do you teach this to people
• 42:18
  Like, like how do you, what do you, where do you even start
• 42:21
  when you teach this with, with people?
• 42:22
  So you're right. So about two years ago I began
• 42:26
  teaching it and I would say last year I just closed down my
• 42:29
  private practice. I don't work with individuals
• 42:31
  anymore. Just simple.
• 42:32
  It'd be because I don't have the.
• 42:34
  Space in my calendar, but I teach it through transmission.
• 42:39
  And another way of saying that is through entrainment.
• 42:45
  So what I mean by entrainment is let's think about this on a very
• 42:50
  physical level. I don't know if you've ever been
• 42:52
  to a yoga class, but I go to a yoga class and whatever the
• 42:56
  teacher is saying, I'm paying attention to about 20% of what
• 43:00
  they're saying. The other 80% is me actually
• 43:03
  making these sort of synchronizing with their body in
• 43:06
  order to learn the move. It's not so much the verbal,
• 43:10
  it's just me and training with them.
• 43:13
  And you see that too, like if you've ever walked along with
• 43:16
  somebody and eventually you begin to fall and to step,
• 43:20
  right. So physical entrainment is
• 43:22
  something we're all very familiar with.
• 43:24
  Why entrain another person's consciousness?
• 43:28
  And so when I shift, their consciousness shifts.
• 43:33
  It's an immediate invitation. And so transmission, I'm
• 43:38
  transmitting this level of mind and whether or not their mind is
• 43:42
  like, oh, this isn't possible. I don't know how to do that.
• 43:45
  And and that's not the level of mind I'm talking to.
• 43:48
  So they they shift and there's an immediate sense.
• 43:53
  And when they shift, they can then help others shift.
• 43:56
  So what they have to learn how to do is stabilize access.
• 43:59
  So that initial step is through entrainment.
• 44:03
  So I'm curious even in this moment, like what is your
• 44:06
  experience? What is your experience in this
• 44:09
  moment, Brett? I feel on that shift with you.
• 44:13
  Yeah, that's it. What's that shift feel like?
• 44:17
  It's it's a little bit disorienting.
• 44:22
  It reminds me of the time that I was with you, you know, you, I
• 44:27
  don't know if I told you this afterwards, but you became kind
• 44:31
  of like a Buddha figure in front of me.
• 44:34
  But yeah, it just, it feels, yeah, it feels disorienting,
• 44:40
  expansive. It's expansive and expansive.
• 44:44
  Like I can feel like this radiating energy out.
• 44:47
  That's right and I would people use many language, many words,
• 44:52
  but expansion is a very typical one.
• 44:55
  And because consciousness is non local bread, I'm even going to
• 44:58
  invite anyone watching this to experience the shift because
• 45:03
  it's not localized in time, it's not localized in space, so
• 45:09
  anyone who's listening or watching can actually shift
• 45:12
  along with us. And you're right, it's
• 45:15
  disorienting because you're shifting your basis of operation
• 45:19
  from the sort of smaller function to the more expensive
• 45:24
  1. And so the first thing I do
• 45:26
  after the shift is teach people how to stabilize because yes,
• 45:33
  we're so habituated to being in this separate narrative self.
• 45:39
  We have a subject object orientation, which by the way,
• 45:43
  I'm all for. I don't want you to step outside
• 45:45
  in an expanded state and get run over by a bus, you know?
• 45:49
  So we recognize that that is a reality.
• 45:54
  But then there's this other level of mind, and when you
• 46:00
  begin to stabilize your access to it, you begin to know, you
• 46:07
  begin to love, you begin to see and sense and experience the
• 46:12
  world in a very different way, and the sense of separation
• 46:17
  falls away. And what's in its place is a
• 46:20
  feeling of connection. So when you ask me how this is
• 46:26
  how so I'm in training your consciousness to mine.
• 46:29
  And at this point, it's so silly for me to say my consciousness
• 46:34
  and your consciousness, those are the words we have.
• 46:38
  So I'm in training your consciousness with mine and now
• 46:42
  it's in ours. And then I teach people how to
• 46:48
  begin to deprogram or let go of the patterns of belief and
• 46:55
  behavior that really. Get in the way of them accessing
• 46:59
  this. And so it's a whole series of
• 47:04
  teachings and the beautiful thing about it is that it's
• 47:09
  taught in community. So what would happen next is you
• 47:15
  would have a practice partner and they would have been
• 47:18
  initiated. They also would have had this
• 47:21
  experience of this pathway being illuminated and you can access
• 47:25
  it together with much more speed.
• 47:28
  So you practice and then it becomes a new way of knowing and
• 47:33
  being. And what's so fun about these
• 47:37
  practices is that you're having a shared experience.
• 47:42
  And so when you talked about Michael Collins and teaching
• 47:45
  people to access their intuition, my which I'm so happy
• 47:50
  about because it's so that it's a, it's a really profound
• 47:53
  teaching to be able to live from your intuition.
• 47:56
  What I've noticed is that I don't have any trouble teaching
• 47:59
  people how to access that level of mind.
• 48:01
  That's that intuitive deeper level of knowing.
• 48:04
  The problem is trusting it, not accessing it, right.
• 48:09
  So when you're with another person who actually can validate
• 48:13
  that they are also having this experience of reality, your
• 48:17
  trust grows. And so learning in a community
• 48:22
  where other people are accessing this level of mine on a regular
• 48:25
  basis is essential. So I teach these classes.
• 48:31
  I have an intro class actually starting in February that's
• 48:35
  online and it's just a short. You know, hour and a half a
• 48:38
  week. You can also have like a deep
• 48:40
  dive into it if you're like, you know what, I really want to
• 48:42
  learn this. And I would do that in person.
• 48:46
  And I also have an online community and the people have
• 48:49
  practice groups. There's something happening
• 48:51
  almost every day. So you're dipping into this over
• 48:55
  and over and over again. And then it becomes.
• 49:00
  Normal and I think it is normal. Yeah, yeah, it's incredible.
• 49:06
  I mean, it's, you know, I felt that again.
• 49:09
  It took me actually back to that same moment of us being
• 49:13
  together. Right.
• 49:14
  And it's, it's, you know, it's this expansion.
• 49:19
  And then, you know, you asked me to close my eyes.
• 49:24
  Yes. And that and that's when I just
• 49:28
  immediately went into that deeply meditative state.
• 49:32
  And it was. It happened almost immediately.
• 49:34
  Almost immediately. Yeah, that's right.
• 49:37
  It's trans. You can transmit it and that's
• 49:41
  what I'm teaching people and for that experience, which as a
• 49:48
  healer is so important. That you get to touch directly
• 49:53
  your own true nature. So I really amplify that.
• 49:58
  And this is another level of training.
• 50:00
  Like if you really want to be learn how to master this and,
• 50:04
  and some people can, who want to devote themselves like, so I
• 50:07
  have a, a pathway. It's like relational awakening
• 50:10
  in everyday life. This is just where you live and
• 50:12
  love from. If you want to be a healer, you
• 50:15
  learn how to amplify it to the point where people go into those
• 50:18
  deep states. And that's what I do with you is
• 50:21
  just really amplify it. And it's so interesting because
• 50:25
  you can learn how to actually do that.
• 50:28
  And so people go into deep States and they have this
• 50:33
  immediate contact with who they are.
• 50:38
  So you're essentially experiencing yourself, the
• 50:44
  medicine that you have inside of you.
• 50:49
  So I, I say our kind of tagline, our relational awakening is the
• 50:54
  medicine is in us. We actually are the medicine.
• 51:00
  You're not the problem. No one is.
• 51:04
  Maybe the discursive mind is creating some suffering.
• 51:07
  It's kicking up a lot of dust that's getting in the way.
• 51:11
  But when you drop into your fundamental nature, it is whole.
• 51:17
  That is the best utility for psychedelic medicine as it
• 51:22
  essentially takes people into what their true nature is.
• 51:26
  It gets their default mode network to kind of shut down, as
• 51:30
  Michael Pollan wrote about and How to Change Your Mind or in
• 51:34
  the documentary on Netflix of that name.
• 51:36
  He's coming out with a book now on non local consciousness.
• 51:40
  Yeah, so fun. Yeah, which would be great.
• 51:42
  That'll that'll be a great kick off to this, this this year.
• 51:45
  The neat thing about your practice is that it doesn't
• 51:49
  require any medicine at all. It's just, it just creates that
• 51:52
  natural shift. And you can't say, oh, the this
• 51:57
  plant medicine did it, that it, it's you actually, yeah.
• 52:02
  Our It's us. The most important element when
• 52:05
  you do psychedelic medicine is you, it's your soul and, you
• 52:13
  know, set. They everybody talks about set
• 52:16
  and setting. And you know, the set of course,
• 52:20
  is just where you're at. The medicine that's that's used
• 52:25
  or sorry, that's the setting. The set is, is, is you, you
• 52:32
  know, it's your own emotional regulation, your own, I guess I
• 52:35
  would say your advancement in this in this lifetime or from
• 52:39
  prior lifetimes to, you know, get in that, get in that state
• 52:46
  of surrender and expansion. And I've seen, you know, the
• 52:51
  same medicine have very, very different effects on people
• 52:55
  depending on what, what state of emotional regulation they were
• 53:00
  in. Yeah.
• 53:01
  So. That's the same experience that
• 53:04
  I have when I was working with individuals.
• 53:08
  It's very different depending on who I was working with.
• 53:11
  Like when they would in essence receive that medicine and acted
• 53:17
  upon them in very different ways or or they had access to
• 53:21
  different types of wisdom. I'm curious like what it's like
• 53:25
  to be, I know this is going to sound like the separation, but
• 53:29
  I'm curious what it's like to to be you, you know, when you, when
• 53:34
  you listen to something like the Telepathy tapes, you know,
• 53:39
  what's your, what's your experience of that is are you
• 53:42
  just like, well, this just totally makes sense and this is,
• 53:45
  this is the way I've been living and there's no surprises here.
• 53:49
  Or is there some, you know, element of it where you're like,
• 53:52
  oh, that's really cool about plant based consciousness and
• 53:55
  some people's ability to have that connection with plants
• 54:00
  like. I'm just thrilled.
• 54:02
  I mean, I feel a sense of excitement.
• 54:04
  One of the things that I really love about you is you have this
• 54:09
  unbridled optimism and I, I feel that too.
• 54:14
  I feel so much excitement. And so when I listen to those, I
• 54:20
  feel wonder and there isn't anything about me that says, oh,
• 54:27
  this is old hat. You know, I have my hand on the
• 54:33
  elephant of reality on this on the trunk and they have their
• 54:37
  hand on the tail and and I love getting to learn more about
• 54:42
  what's happening, you know, in the world of form to I going to
• 54:45
  uncover and reveal this. I just feel excitement.
• 54:50
  I love that you said that because I do.
• 54:53
  I do describe it to people sometimes that, you know,
• 54:56
  whatever God is and however people want to interpret God,
• 55:02
  you know, whether they just say that's consciousness or that's
• 55:06
  intelligence to the universe or however, however they want to
• 55:10
  talk about that. And I know that for some people
• 55:12
  it's a loaded term because of religious dogma and the Crusades
• 55:16
  and all types of things that have happened in the past in the
• 55:19
  name of, of God, which I, my experience of God is that is not
• 55:27
  the nature of God. God is the definition of love.
• 55:31
  But I'm, I'm, you know, one of the things that I've, I've, I've
• 55:35
  said for a long time is that we're all just kind of grasping
• 55:39
  in the dark, like we'll never understand the full nature of
• 55:44
  God. And even in, even in the, you
• 55:46
  know, the lattice, you know, or I'm trying to really reach there
• 55:49
  and cover the years, you know, science fiction from 2030 to
• 55:53
  2085, by 2085, we still don't understand the nature of God.
• 55:58
  I don't think it's possible to understand the nature of the
• 56:03
  prime creator, which created the universe.
• 56:06
  And, and this, you know, whether people believe we're living in a
• 56:11
  simulation or not. I I'm not a simulation believer,
• 56:14
  but that, that it's rooted so deeply in love.
• 56:19
  You know, I read this book last year called Why Buddhism is
• 56:22
  True, and it was a science book. It's really a science book.
• 56:27
  He was talking about natural selection and how the brain
• 56:30
  developed. But he concludes the book at the
• 56:34
  end. I'm forgetting the name of the
• 56:35
  author right now. I wrote so many books last year,
• 56:37
  but he concludes the book at the end.
• 56:40
  He says if everybody would do what the Buddhist did and would
• 56:45
  meditate and ended last year visiting Bhutan, that's where we
• 56:49
  went on our family trip, which was amazing.
• 56:52
  You know, they, they measure themselves on, on, you know, on
• 56:58
  gross happiness essentially as opposed to GDP.
• 57:02
  And you know, it as I, as I concluded that book, He says
• 57:08
  when people meditate, they get to glimpse that everything is
• 57:13
  rooted in love. So let's be thankful that no
• 57:16
  matter what our reality is, because he's like, look, I'm
• 57:18
  going to tell you, I don't understand what consciousness
• 57:20
  is. And all the consciousness
• 57:23
  researchers, they really, you know, they don't understand what
• 57:27
  it is. There is no unified view on what
• 57:29
  consciousness is and how it happens and why this why why
• 57:34
  this happens at all, but is the basis for everything we cherish
• 57:39
  as human beings. You know, he said what if our
• 57:44
  reality was one where the more you meditated there more you
• 57:48
  tried to get in that state. You actually like, Oh my gosh,
• 57:50
  it's dark and scary in there. It's like evil or whatever.
• 57:54
  He said. You know the reality is 1 where
• 57:56
  if everybody on the planet did that, did what the Buddhist
• 58:01
  practice, they would see that our actual reality is deeply
• 58:04
  rooted in love. Yeah.
• 58:06
  And I thought that was such a beautiful spiritual ending to
• 58:09
  the book, even though he was attempting to write a book just
• 58:11
  purely on science. That's so interesting and it's
• 58:14
  bringing up, I don't know if this now is the time, but you
• 58:18
  know, there is going to be a research study into relational
• 58:22
  awakening and they're looking at the science of awakening.
• 58:27
  And I'm all for that. I have 0 issue with science.
• 58:32
  Sometimes what I do, people will say it looks like magic.
• 58:36
  I'll track other people's body through my own body.
• 58:39
  I can know things that if I was in my ordinary mind, I should
• 58:43
  not be able to know. And I think that magic is just
• 58:48
  future science, the science of the future.
• 58:52
  And so I am have been very interested and, and jokingly
• 58:57
  said, somebody put some nodes on my head because like, what's
• 59:00
  going on in the brain? Do I think it's only going on in
• 59:04
  the brain? I do not.
• 59:07
  I think it's so much bigger than the brain, but the brain is a
• 59:11
  part of it. Yeah, of course.
• 59:12
  Yeah. And so I would love to find out
• 59:15
  because people ask me what is going on because like, they're
• 59:20
  having this expanded state and I'm like, I don't know.
• 59:24
  Right, right, right. Yeah.
• 59:26
  I do know on one level, and I can meet them at that level for
• 59:30
  sure. But like, what's happening in
• 59:33
  your brain? We've got to get some research
• 59:37
  around that. And so there are two scientists,
• 59:39
  Ben Baird and Jose Milan, at the University of Texas.
• 59:43
  They probably have very different philosophical views
• 59:46
  than I do about the nature of consciousness.
• 59:48
  And guess what? I don't care.
• 59:51
  It's not that important. We really mean.
• 59:54
  You're not in a tribal war in terms of the definition of of
• 59:57
  consciousness. I'm not.
• 59:59
  What I really care about, Brett, is the alleviation of suffering.
• 1:00:05
  What we see is people hurting people because they're hurting
• 1:00:10
  and there's a disease of the mind.
• 1:00:14
  And so if we can create modalities that help alleviate
• 1:00:19
  suffering, I'm all for it. And I can tell you that
• 1:00:24
  relational awakening, this practice that I teach and that
• 1:00:28
  this healing modality that I practiced for many years
• 1:00:32
  alleviate suffering. And so when people have that
• 1:00:36
  direct contact with this expanded level of mind, their
• 1:00:40
  perceptual abilities begin to kind of expand as well.
• 1:00:44
  Their identity is less attached to the separate self and these
• 1:00:48
  habits begin to fall away. So when that happens, I think
• 1:00:53
  there is think something happening in the brain.
• 1:00:56
  And so these two scientists are going to begin to study it.
• 1:01:01
  And we're currently have a proposal out to the
• 1:01:04
  Consciousness Foundation. What's super exciting to me
• 1:01:07
  because you know, I've long held with this exponential of
• 1:01:12
  exponential curves, you know, AI, quantum computing, robotics,
• 1:01:16
  which would be the embodiment of AI and brain computer
• 1:01:20
  interfaces. It is going to also accelerate
• 1:01:24
  us discovering the nature of what makes us most human.
• 1:01:28
  It's not just about productivity.
• 1:01:31
  It's going to accelerate all scientific discovery.
• 1:01:34
  So our actual reality, you know, what the ancient Mystics saw and
• 1:01:39
  what we've experienced through, you know, psychedelic journeys,
• 1:01:43
  near death experiences, you know, through your practice of
• 1:01:48
  helping people shift, you know, meditation is going to be
• 1:01:54
  discovered. And that is what the lattice is
• 1:01:55
  all about, is this unification of humanity in discovering the
• 1:02:01
  actual reality that we're in. And so, so I'm all for it.
• 1:02:04
  It's going to be very exciting to see what happens with that
• 1:02:08
  study and just the studies in general.
• 1:02:10
  There's more, more and more studies now on psychedelic
• 1:02:14
  research and all types of, you know, one thing that's that's
• 1:02:20
  you talk about suffering that is just so, so surprising to me.
• 1:02:25
  But you just see it all around once you start to really pay
• 1:02:28
  attention is the dogmatic separation of things, whether
• 1:02:32
  it's science and spirituality or all types of things like, you
• 1:02:36
  know, constructs of race or religion versus just the
• 1:02:40
  unification of that were 99.9% the same DNA wise across the
• 1:02:45
  planet. But on the topic of
• 1:02:48
  consciousness alone, you know, you would have been cancelled as
• 1:02:53
  an academic if you want to study that like 10 to 20 years ago.
• 1:02:57
  And it is the most fundamental thing.
• 1:02:59
  To be honest, I think they're. Still like, even today, yeah.
• 1:03:03
  Yeah, maybe in some in some places.
• 1:03:05
  And I, I just have to say, you know, my scientific term for,
• 1:03:11
  for what's happening when I work with people is reality gets
• 1:03:14
  bendy. That's that's my term for it.
• 1:03:17
  It does. I was feeling that it was
• 1:03:18
  getting very bendy. It's very bendy, doesn't it?
• 1:03:21
  I wanted to disclose my eyes and go into a meditative state.
• 1:03:24
  Obviously you can. Like, yeah, there's a strong
• 1:03:27
  pull. It has a gravitational pull,
• 1:03:29
  which means that this level of mind is more potent than the
• 1:03:32
  ordinary level of mind. And the scientists who are
• 1:03:37
  creating this study and they're, they're writing the proposal
• 1:03:40
  now, you know, they sat with me and reality got really bendy.
• 1:03:46
  And I want to say that they have the humility and the curiosity
• 1:03:50
  to say, you know, this is very different than maybe what we
• 1:03:54
  expected or what our paradigms have taught us about the nature
• 1:03:59
  of reality. And instead of kind of shutting
• 1:04:02
  that down and being threatened by it, they pushed forward and
• 1:04:06
  said, let's find out what's going on.
• 1:04:09
  And I'm excited about that. And yeah, it was fun to actually
• 1:04:14
  get to sit with. One's a neural engineer, so the
• 1:04:18
  computer brain interface I think is an area of his specialty, and
• 1:04:22
  the other is a cognitive neuroscientist.
• 1:04:25
  So it's really fun to get to sit with them and see what, you
• 1:04:29
  know, what happened when they went into that expanded state
• 1:04:32
  and just sitting together. So I'd love to ask you your
• 1:04:36
  opinion on, you know, you, you have this ability to really
• 1:04:44
  understand consciousness at a different level than most
• 1:04:48
  people. The way you shifted me and the
• 1:04:51
  way you were shifting. I mean, I really felt that.
• 1:04:53
  And, and you know, without consciousness, there is no
• 1:04:59
  unique human experience at all or collective human experience.
• 1:05:04
  You know, as as Chris Baish would say, that was a fantastic
• 1:05:07
  episode of the podcast. You know, one of my favorite
• 1:05:10
  books is LSD in the Mind of the Universe, Diamonds from Heaven.
• 1:05:15
  And you know, he was helping in his journeys heal the collective
• 1:05:20
  human psyche. That's right.
• 1:05:22
  You know, the suffering throughout history.
• 1:05:24
  And, and that wasn't his intention going into the
• 1:05:27
  journeys. It happened.
• 1:05:28
  And it surprised him as he talked about on the podcast, as
• 1:05:32
  he really was on a quest to find out what our ultimate reality
• 1:05:36
  was. And towards the end of his
• 1:05:38
  quest, he found out there is no end, right?
• 1:05:41
  And he's never going to fully be able to decode it.
• 1:05:45
  But that was a, that was a great episode.
• 1:05:46
  I know know you're a fan of him too.
• 1:05:48
  I'm a big fan. I'm really looking forward to
• 1:05:50
  watching that, yeah. You know, a lot of people just
• 1:05:54
  naturally assume in the AI field that AI will be as conscious as
• 1:06:00
  we are. I said Ted AI last year.
• 1:06:03
  I talked about this after coming back from San Francisco and one
• 1:06:08
  of the things that that I was struck by there is there was a
• 1:06:12
  philosophy of AI panel. And it was all these
• 1:06:15
  technologists and they either assumed AI was already sentient
• 1:06:20
  or would very soon be as sentient as we are.
• 1:06:24
  And there wasn't a single consciousness researcher on that
• 1:06:27
  panel. There wasn't a single
• 1:06:29
  humanitarian on that panel. There wasn't a single spiritual
• 1:06:32
  leader on that panel. It was just technologists
• 1:06:34
  talking with technologists. And so I thought it was a big, a
• 1:06:37
  big mess because it's, you know, as I talked about on on episode
• 1:06:43
  12 with a Neil who really is a phenomenal, you know, scientist,
• 1:06:50
  we don't even know what consciousness is.
• 1:06:52
  So how can we just assume we're going to create it in machines?
• 1:06:55
  But how do you even think about that in terms of is artificial
• 1:07:01
  intelligence going to be sentient?
• 1:07:03
  So I have to just. You know, just tell you up front
• 1:07:07
  that I'm really ignorant about what's going on in this field.
• 1:07:09
  I know this is something you know a lot about and care deeply
• 1:07:12
  about, but it isn't something that's part of my everyday
• 1:07:15
  reality. So here I am just talking in a
• 1:07:18
  sort of abstract way and I have to say that I got what I'm about
• 1:07:24
  to say from someone else. OK, no problem.
• 1:07:28
  Hey, Full disclosure. Yeah, yeah, we're all learning
• 1:07:31
  from each other. Yes.
• 1:07:33
  Absolutely. So I'm about to say something
• 1:07:36
  that might sound smart, but it didn't come out of this brain.
• 1:07:40
  Came out of the collective field.
• 1:07:41
  Though it came out of the collective field, and I'm not
• 1:07:44
  sure this is going to answer the question you're asking, but it's
• 1:07:47
  going to answer a question I think is important, which is I
• 1:07:52
  think that we have the capacity for precognition.
• 1:07:57
  I think it's built into consciousness and there have
• 1:08:01
  been studies that show that people, when they're shown
• 1:08:05
  images on the screen that are disturbing, that before the
• 1:08:09
  image arises, that there's a physiological response that's a
• 1:08:13
  form of precognition. Now we could go off the loop and
• 1:08:18
  talk about precognitive dreams and access to information even
• 1:08:23
  on the everyday level where like, you know, someone's going
• 1:08:26
  to call you in, 2 seconds later they call you.
• 1:08:29
  Yeah, so that's the non locality of consciousness, just kind of
• 1:08:33
  an everyday life. I think people have these
• 1:08:36
  experiences regularly and what's so amazing about this
• 1:08:40
  renaissance that's happening is that people are talking about
• 1:08:43
  them and they're not being silenced.
• 1:08:46
  So that's exciting. I had an amazing dream last
• 1:08:51
  night. I want to go back to the topic
• 1:08:52
  of of AI, but just as an aside, I.
• 1:08:55
  Think this is on topic. OK, this is this is on topic
• 1:08:58
  then. You know, very sadly, last week
• 1:09:03
  we had our almost 16 year old dog pass away.
• 1:09:08
  We we had three dogs. Her name was Esther and her
• 1:09:16
  brother Mordehai passed away just just you know, a few months
• 1:09:23
  ago. But but last night she visited
• 1:09:28
  me in a dream and she was so radiant and shimmering and
• 1:09:33
  silvery. I mean, she was a, she's kind of
• 1:09:35
  like a, a, a brown, well, black with, you know, brown and some
• 1:09:42
  white highlights dog. But last night she was like in
• 1:09:46
  this shimmering Silverlight. And I knew it was real.
• 1:09:51
  I knew it was her soul showing me from, you know, heaven,
• 1:09:55
  consciousness, whatever, whatever you want to call that.
• 1:10:00
  But it was just it was just so beautiful and so lucid.
• 1:10:05
  And you know, that's a that is extremely human.
• 1:10:10
  Define experience. You know what, it is so human
• 1:10:15
  and this these incidents I'm talking about a precognition
• 1:10:22
  also very common. And so when you ask me if
• 1:10:28
  computers are going to develop consciousness, I think the true
• 1:10:33
  test of that is if they become precognitive.
• 1:10:37
  That's an interesting angle. I've never actually heard
• 1:10:40
  someone think of it that way. With with with computers.
• 1:10:44
  I think it's a very, I think that's very smart, whoever,
• 1:10:48
  whoever you were talking with about.
• 1:10:49
  That whoever that was, that tells me about my human brain
• 1:10:53
  and the capacity to. To remember who it was.
• 1:10:56
  But. Let me let me tell you why, why
• 1:11:00
  it matters to me. Yes, there's there's a lot of
• 1:11:03
  dystopian that's been pushed at us.
• 1:11:05
  You know, the Terminator movie series, the Matrix movie series,
• 1:11:09
  you know, the story of Gollum and Prague, you know, it's old
• 1:11:14
  Jewish folklore and just on and on and on about that machines
• 1:11:20
  would destroy us. And you know, it's fear.
• 1:11:25
  It's the same old serpent of fear as I talk about over and
• 1:11:29
  over again. And in my book Love Conquer,
• 1:11:31
  Sir, which coming out later this year, which I can't wait till
• 1:11:34
  that comes out. It's, it puts so much heart and
• 1:11:36
  soul into that. And really my purpose, you know,
• 1:11:40
  for this podcast in the book is trying to help humanity have
• 1:11:43
  that heart shift, you know, so the reason it matters to me is
• 1:11:50
  that I've had this gift since I was young to be able to see
• 1:11:56
  where technology is going to go. That's, that's something I know
• 1:12:00
  I was incarnated for this purpose to help build a better
• 1:12:04
  world through technology. And that what I'm doing now is
• 1:12:08
  the meta thematic of my entire career, like the all the, all
• 1:12:14
  the things that have happened are to get to this point and be
• 1:12:18
  able to help in the way that I can.
• 1:12:22
  And you know, I'm crossing all types of streams in this
• 1:12:24
  podcast. It's like Ghostbusters don't
• 1:12:26
  cross the streams. And then there's capitalism,
• 1:12:29
  there's spirituality, there's psychedelics, there's
• 1:12:32
  consciousness. You know, there's all these
• 1:12:34
  things that people would stay kind of in one swim lane and
• 1:12:37
  like never allow those two things to merge.
• 1:12:42
  And the reason I'm doing that is because I'm operating from this
• 1:12:47
  place of love, conquering my own fear and living in authenticity.
• 1:12:52
  I'm doing it because it really matters, because our ability
• 1:12:57
  through AI and the acceleration that that's causing, that
• 1:13:02
  accelerates everything, accelerates our scientific
• 1:13:05
  discoveries. It of course, accelerates our
• 1:13:07
  productivity, which is where a lot of the focus is on, but it
• 1:13:14
  our ability to manifest abundance for everyone on the
• 1:13:17
  planet, which is either metaphorically or mystically,
• 1:13:22
  however you want to think of that or both, is the merger of
• 1:13:26
  heaven and earth. You know, creating abundance in
• 1:13:29
  a country like Chad, which has $660.00 of GDP per person is
• 1:13:34
  achievable. And you're in my lifetime.
• 1:13:37
  We're going to create a world of unlimited energy.
• 1:13:41
  The sun is staring at us in the face every day.
• 1:13:45
  It's the big fusion light bulb reactor in the sky that has
• 1:13:51
  billions and billions of years of life on it and 18 seconds of
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  the sun's rays that fall on this planet with power the world's
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  energy needs for over a year, 18 seconds.
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  We just need to figure out the material science to to
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  breakthrough. And you know, one major thing
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  that happened, you know, not that long ago was we decoded the
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  protein folding problem with Google DeepMind, created
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  something called alpha fold that now decodes proteins to the
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  point where we can create medicines to pretty much solve
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  almost any disease, maybe any disease.
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  And there'll be a Google DeepMind project for material
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  science, if there's not already that we haven't heard about.
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  And solar is just absolutely in that exponential curve.
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  You can see it with the cost declines with with the solar
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  starts, even though, you know, we just we just survived yet
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  another kind of icing over in Austin as we're recording this,
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  there's still ice on the driveway.
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  So I walked down with you. So yeah.
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  That's right. So that, so that it was safe.
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  You know the, the, the the near failure of our power grid in in
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  Texas. Yeah, like 4 years ago.
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  Four years ago where it was literally within a few minutes
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  to maybe an as much as an hour of our entire grid failing,
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  which would have taken like a month to reboot, was were the
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  projections that created a massive increase in solar
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  starts. So it's just all over the state.
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  We're actually, I think leading in solar starts of the entire
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  nation. This promise of we can create
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  abundance. The way we do it is through
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  technology. The way we've evolved as human
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  beings has always been through technology, starting with the
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  discovery of fire. The challenge is that we have to
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  do it in a way that we don't destroy ourselves and we have to
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  transcend this fear based 0 sum mindset, right?
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  This kind of competition between, you know, all types of
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  things that really sit in that in that realm of dogma of
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  separation. And you were talking about
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  alleviating suffering earlier. And I almost don't want to bring
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  up this stat with you, but I'll bring up this stat just because
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  I think I think it's important. You know, one of the diseases we
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  have is we've created 13,000 nuclear weapons worldwide.
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  What, what percentage of today's nuclear arsenal worldwide do you
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  think it would take to destroy all the medium to large sized
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  cities and the entire world and if it's in the world into a
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  nuclear Holocaust for around a decade, literally like the
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  Matrix, the skies would be completely dark and we wouldn't
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  be able to see the sun. What?
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  What? What percent percentage do you
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  think that is? I'm thinking a very small
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  person. Yeah, it's 2%.
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  It's. Going to say one but two?
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  OK, so we have 50 times the amount that we already need.
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  These are real weapons. These are psychological tricks.
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  We're playing against each other.
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  An acronym for that. Do you know what the acronym is?
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  There's actually an acronym. It's ADOD term.
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  No. It's mad.
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  Wow. Stands for Mutually Sure
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  Destruction, right? So it's literally.
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  Like we're admitting that we're insane.
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  We're insane. You know that we have this
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  insanity in this world of form that could destroy us and and so
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  we have to transcend that. And this is the vision I've
• 1:17:36
  received. It's really, this is God's final
• 1:17:39
  exam for humanity. If we transcend this period and
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  unite, then we have this unprecedented technological
• 1:17:49
  takeoff and we'll find out where the laws of physics actually
• 1:17:54
  are. We don't really understand what
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  the limits are. Can we conquer, you know, faster
• 1:17:58
  in lightspeed trouble? We don't know.
• 1:18:01
  We only know what 4% of the universe is made of.
• 1:18:04
  You know, as we talked about and episode 2 with Mark Gover, one
• 1:18:08
  of my favorite authors, 96% we call dark energy and dark
• 1:18:13
  matter. We have no idea what it is.
• 1:18:16
  And so just the the, the love for all of humanity in my heart
• 1:18:22
  and this desire for all of us to make it to this age of abundance
• 1:18:27
  for everyone on the planet. The pathway to get there is
• 1:18:32
  through technology. We already Live Today in 2026,
• 1:18:37
  so much better than we did in 1926 or 1826, so much better,
• 1:18:42
  like we would already appear. If we could teleport them here
• 1:18:47
  and show them everything we have.
• 1:18:48
  They would be like you, you, you have everything, you know, like
• 1:18:53
  they, you know, we evolutionarily humanity, Homo
• 1:18:58
  sapiens, we've only had electricity for .1% of our time
• 1:19:04
  on this planet. 99.9% of the time we didn't even have
• 1:19:07
  electricity. So that's an abundance that we
• 1:19:11
  can't even imagine having, you know, 33400 years ago.
• 1:19:17
  And we've been around for 300,000 years in terms of Homo
• 1:19:20
  sapiens, hominids have been around for 4,000,000 years.
• 1:19:23
  The Earth is 4.54 billion years old, right in the sun's 4.6
• 1:19:27
  billion years old. So, so we're, we're coming such
• 1:19:32
  a small amount of evolutionary time.
• 1:19:37
  And you know, what I've seen is that if we make it, then we get
• 1:19:41
  access to the rest of the universe.
• 1:19:45
  It's like we become one of the species that prove that love
• 1:19:48
  could conquer our fear that we could unite.
• 1:19:52
  And then as far as we know, the universe is infinite and we get
• 1:19:56
  to propagate it with love is a love centered, you know,
• 1:20:01
  approach as opposed to the 0 sum approach, which will not work in
• 1:20:05
  this exponential of exponential curve.
• 1:20:07
  So we're going to have to crossover that threshold where
• 1:20:10
  we make that fateful choice. And I think the way it's going
• 1:20:13
  to happen is we'll be able to see it.
• 1:20:16
  I think we'll be able to see it and there will be a bottoms up
• 1:20:18
  and tops down pressure to choose it.
• 1:20:22
  Like we'll be able to see the end of disease, we'll be able to
• 1:20:24
  see unlimited energy. We'll be able to see.
• 1:20:27
  Abundance for everybody on the planet, and it'll be this
• 1:20:31
  pressure cooker to have the constructs breakdown to build up
• 1:20:39
  and build each other up. So that's why it matters to me.
• 1:20:42
  Yeah, and it matters. Deeply A geeky, you know, thing
• 1:20:46
  for me. It's like it is the path for us
• 1:20:49
  to make it. And I think that the rise and
• 1:20:53
  the consciousness awakening their way, you know, all the
• 1:20:56
  things that are happening there coinciding with the rise of AI,
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  it's not a coincidence. I don't think it's a coincidence
• 1:21:04
  either, and I think it matters as well.
• 1:21:07
  And you're right, we are, we have everything, but we don't
• 1:21:11
  have Peace of Mind. And no matter how much we have
• 1:21:15
  on the physical plane, if we don't have that, then we'll
• 1:21:19
  continue to be, you know, so consumptive and combative.
• 1:21:25
  And so you're right, as the technology evolves,
• 1:21:28
  consciousness must evolve along with it in order for us to use
• 1:21:33
  it in a way that is wise and humane for the benefit of all
• 1:21:36
  beings. So that's really the question.
• 1:21:39
  You're like, which way are we going to go?
• 1:21:42
  I think, and this is a, this is an opinion, I'm not making a
• 1:21:45
  statement of fact, but I think it's very interesting that this
• 1:21:49
  capacity that that I have or that I'm teaching is coming
• 1:21:54
  online at this time as well. So I have a teaching partner.
• 1:21:58
  So relational awakening is taught in a relational
• 1:22:01
  container. So I have a partner and his name
• 1:22:03
  is Adam Ortman and he jokingly says that I run the getter done
• 1:22:08
  school of awakening. Right, that's funny.
• 1:22:11
  Which I really love. And he has a long history of
• 1:22:15
  contemplative practice. And one of the things that made
• 1:22:19
  him throw his hat into this ring was the fact that it was so
• 1:22:22
  quick. Meaning you can go on long
• 1:22:26
  meditation retreats. And let me tell you, I'm 100%
• 1:22:29
  for long meditation retreats. And you can learn deep spiritual
• 1:22:34
  practices and you can go on, you know, psychedelic journeys.
• 1:22:39
  But the beautiful thing about this particular modality which
• 1:22:43
  is on offer here is that it's immediate.
• 1:22:46
  And my sense is, friend, we do not have time.
• 1:22:51
  We do not have time for the masses to go away on three month
• 1:22:56
  meditation retreats. They're just not going to do it.
• 1:22:59
  And so why I have to offer is something that is very
• 1:23:05
  immediate. You immediately have the
• 1:23:08
  experience of interconnectedness.
• 1:23:11
  Now what you do with that experience, whether you just
• 1:23:14
  tuck it into your back pocket or decide to devote yourself to
• 1:23:17
  being able to maintain connection to that, to live from
• 1:23:21
  that level of mind and love from that level of mind at all times,
• 1:23:25
  that's the choice. It's up to you.
• 1:23:28
  And it doesn't mean that you have to study relational
• 1:23:30
  awakening. There's other options out there.
• 1:23:32
  So I'm just, this is on offer, but it is very quick.
• 1:23:37
  And up until this time, we've had to do things that you had to
• 1:23:42
  kind of pull yourself out of your everyday life in order to
• 1:23:44
  learn. And I taught meditation actually
• 1:23:48
  for many years. And what I realized was is that
• 1:23:52
  very few of the people that I taught, and I taught over 1000
• 1:23:56
  people. I, I didn't add it up, probably
• 1:23:58
  several 1000 people how to meditate that few of them
• 1:24:03
  actually would do it in a sustained way.
• 1:24:05
  And so I was like, you know what?
• 1:24:08
  I began teaching this other method, which is just immediate
• 1:24:12
  and then developing a community of practice where people were
• 1:24:15
  shifting and it becomes, and this is going to sound amazing,
• 1:24:18
  self organizing and self-sustaining.
• 1:24:21
  That's the nature, I think really of how consciousness
• 1:24:28
  functions. And so it's very quick.
• 1:24:32
  And I'm interested through these studies, like at the University
• 1:24:35
  of Texas and anywhere else I might go, and broadening the
• 1:24:40
  scope of it, making it even more accessible.
• 1:24:43
  I'm just one little person. I started this program.
• 1:24:45
  It's very small and I'm interested in increasing the
• 1:24:51
  scope because I think this is something that is scalable.
• 1:24:57
  And so people have the immediate experience of that oneness.
• 1:25:03
  Mm hmm. And the ethic is baked into it.
• 1:25:07
  Mm hmm. If I am what you are not
• 1:25:11
  conceptually, this is not a song we hold hands and sing, although
• 1:25:15
  I love that. But it this is an actual direct
• 1:25:20
  experience. And how do you live?
• 1:25:23
  This changes how people live. It changes the choices they
• 1:25:26
  make. There's a very strong component
• 1:25:29
  in the teaching of connecting to their vow.
• 1:25:32
  Brett, you are connected to your vow, whether or not you would
• 1:25:36
  use that word or not. Oh, I do use that word.
• 1:25:39
  I know this is my divine calling.
• 1:25:41
  This is your divine calling, divine calling.
• 1:25:44
  And so in in the teachings of relational awakening, people
• 1:25:47
  have to get plugged in with their vow, their divine calling,
• 1:25:53
  and then live from there. And so there's something about
• 1:25:58
  this that's very efficient and very effective.
• 1:26:01
  And I think it's being called for right now because the stakes
• 1:26:06
  are quite high and we don't have a lot of time.
• 1:26:11
  What I do have a lot of is hope. And when I'm with you, it's
• 1:26:17
  strengthened. And I think that's the beautiful
• 1:26:20
  thing about coming together in these formats are just around
• 1:26:24
  the table, is that we are not overcome by the fear that is
• 1:26:29
  being pumped out into the Airways.
• 1:26:32
  And so you're pumping something out that's very different, very
• 1:26:36
  important, and I'm glad to be a part of it.
• 1:26:39
  Well, thank you. Thank you, Brett.
• 1:26:41
  Yeah. Thank you.
• 1:26:42
  This was amazing. Yeah, so, so good to be with you
• 1:26:45
  again, experience that again. Although I want to try to
• 1:26:50
  convince you to do a longer session.
• 1:26:51
  We'll, we'll like, we'll work on that.
• 1:26:53
  I know you're not doing individual practice, but I love
• 1:26:56
  your heart and I love, love what you're doing.
• 1:26:58
  And and you know, it is, it is a very important part of
• 1:27:04
  humanity's awakening. So yeah, thank you so much for
• 1:27:07
  this. Thank you.
• 1:27:08
  Yeah, this is amazing. Well, thanks again, everybody
• 1:27:10
  for tuning in to another episode of Love Conquers Fear.
• 1:27:14
  Stay tuned. I have just an absolutely
• 1:27:17
  incredible list of guests coming on fully booked up, so I'll keep
• 1:27:23
  it. Keep it coming.
• 1:27:25
  And keep the love coming. I had this beautiful, beautiful
• 1:27:29
  conversation yesterday with this woman who his heart has really
• 1:27:34
  shifted as a result of this podcast.
• 1:27:38
  And I have these types of messages daily, but this one
• 1:27:44
  really struck a nerve with me. And one of the things she she
• 1:27:48
  wanted to ask me, because she was a very, very spiritual
• 1:27:52
  person, very deeply rooted in that, is how should that touch
• 1:27:59
  the job market for her? And my advice to her is stay in
• 1:28:04
  your authenticity. There are more and more leaders
• 1:28:06
  out there that are. Willing to quote UN quote be
• 1:28:10
  bold and. Talk about that.
• 1:28:12
  They're spiritually rooted and, you know, don't settle.
• 1:28:18
  And I would say I would have that advice for anybody
• 1:28:21
  listening to this. You don't have to
• 1:28:22
  compartmentalize. You can be your whole self and
• 1:28:29
  have a career. It was just, it was just such a
• 1:28:31
  cool conversation. And so big shout out to her.
• 1:28:34
  She knows who she is. I'm not going to disclose her
• 1:28:36
  name, but really appreciate all of the beautiful messages all of
• 1:28:42
  you have been sending me. It fills me with a lot of love
• 1:28:45
  and you know why I'm doing this, so please spread the word.
• 1:28:49
  There are no ads on here. There's no financial incentive.
• 1:28:51
  It's all about helping humanity have a hardship so that we make
• 1:28:56
  it to this age of abundance for everyone on this planet.
• 1:28:59
  Thank you all.