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Black Monday REACTION, which coaches are OUT and who is SAFE · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume What is going on Everybody, John Middlecoff Three
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Speaker 1: than Stefanski, Carol and Gannon who felt the wrath of
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Speaker 1: Black Monday all fired. We will dive into some thoughts
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Speaker 1: with those guys, some of the gms did survive. We'll
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Speaker 1: discuss selective accountability and this Matt Ryan story, how it
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Speaker 1: looks like he's going to be an executive for Atlanta
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Speaker 1: good Saturday night game. We saw earlier this season it
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Speaker 1: let's just dive right in to the Black Monday and
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Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Arizona Cardinals, and the Cleveland Browns all
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Speaker 1: fire their coaches. I mean, well before you're probably finished breakfast,
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Speaker 1: depending on where you lived. I mean when I woke up,
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Speaker 1: slept in a little bit this morning, but Stefanski was
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Speaker 1: already done. I think by the time Jonathan Gannon, at
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Speaker 1: least my time in here in Arizona was like maybe
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Speaker 1: nine o'clock in the morning, hal was felt inevitable. And
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Speaker 1: I think when you look at those three guys situations,
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Speaker 1: I think becoming a head coach there is something that
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Speaker 1: clearly makes or breaks you. Listen, we harp on ownership,
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Speaker 1: we harp on the relationship with a GM, but at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, if you get the quarterback right,
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Speaker 1: you're not only gonna survive, you're gonna win games. You know,
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Speaker 1: getting in a relationship or getting in a business partnership
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Speaker 1: with another individual can change your life for the good
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Speaker 1: or the bad. I know a lot of people in
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Speaker 1: my life that have gone through divorces and they get
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Speaker 1: pretty ugly, especially financially, if you get married to the
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Speaker 1: wrong woman, it can have major consequences. If you get
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Speaker 1: into business with the wrong person, it can be a disaster.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking money, I'm talking emotional stress
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Speaker 1: that comes along with it. You dedicate a lot of
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Speaker 1: your life to these things, no different than a football coach.
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Speaker 1: They spend countless hours in the office, honestly, probably too much.
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Speaker 1: So Signetti went on a rant about these guys, like,
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Speaker 1: you don't need to work twenty hours a day. You know,
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Speaker 1: Bruce Arian has been saying this forever, like you don't
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Speaker 1: need to be in the office till one o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning. What are you doing. We're playing football here, right,
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Speaker 1: We're not reinventing a bridge. And I think all these
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Speaker 1: guys share a common characteristic. They got in bed with
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Speaker 1: the wrong quarterback. It was pretty simple, you know, when
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Speaker 1: you look at Pete Carroll. He went with Geno Smith,
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Speaker 1: who was thirty five years old, who he had some
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Speaker 1: success with with the Raiders. Now you could argue it
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Speaker 1: wasn't all his choice. There were some rumors that Tom
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Speaker 1: Brady was anti Sam Donald. Clearly wrong decision there, and
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Speaker 1: clearly the right decision for Sam Donald to go to Seattle,
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Speaker 1: but Gino Smith was a disaster. I mean, simply put
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Speaker 1: a disaster. Nineteen touchdowns, seventeen interceptions, was two and thirteen
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Speaker 1: in the games he started, and was just not very good.
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Speaker 1: Turned the ball over at way too rapid of a rate,
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Speaker 1: and you couldn't win with them. And clearly their team
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Speaker 1: is not good enough to overcome average quarterback play, let
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Speaker 1: alone bottom five or six quarterback play in the league. Arizona.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon accepted a head coaching job when he was
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Speaker 1: in a great situation that he could have been I
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Speaker 1: would say somewhat choosy with where he went with Kyler
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Speaker 1: Murray and listen at the end of the day at
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Speaker 1: this point in time, like this is nothing personal, but
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Speaker 1: this is just a reality to the NFL. Kyler Burr's
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Speaker 1: got a lot of people fire Cliff Kingsbury run out
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Speaker 1: of town, Steve Kim run out of town. Jonathan Gannon
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Speaker 1: run out of town. Awesome for the GM is gonna survive,
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Speaker 1: and he's gonna run Kyler out of town. So Kyler
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Speaker 1: was one of those guys. If you went all in
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Speaker 1: on him and he became your quarterback, you were not
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Speaker 1: gonna have a job long and he was gonna make
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Speaker 1: a lot of money while you were around him. And
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Speaker 1: it did not go well. And listen, he got hurt
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Speaker 1: on their watch. Obviously he didn't play very well when
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Speaker 1: he did. I mean, he essentially got bench this year.
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Speaker 1: They can say it was the injury. Clearly Jacobe was
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Speaker 1: way better. And then when you look at Kevin Stefanski,
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Speaker 1: I'm not putting the Deshaun Watson situation all on him.
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Speaker 1: Who only Andrew Berry, Stefanski and Jimmy Haslam and probably
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Speaker 1: Mulgeeda truly knows the dynamics how that deal got done.
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Speaker 1: But that thing was an absolute train wreck. And Jimmy
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Speaker 1: Haslam's not going to fire himself for that because he
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Speaker 1: signed off on the contract. But here was the thing,
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Speaker 1: and I was thinking about this this morning. They gave
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Speaker 1: Stefanski the opportunity to kind of find his party, maybe
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Speaker 1: not at that level, but just a guy that could
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Speaker 1: just get them going in the right direction. Kevin Stefanski
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Speaker 1: did not need to make the playoffs this year. This
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Speaker 1: was a season for the Browns where if he had
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Speaker 1: drafted a guy in the second, third or fourth round
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Speaker 1: and just had them competitive, you know, I would say
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Speaker 1: between seven to nine wins and just kind of in
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Speaker 1: the mix, win some big games and just look like
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Speaker 1: a functional organization. I think Kevin Stevanski will still be
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Speaker 1: the coach in Cleveland. But you can't convince me that
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Speaker 1: when they took Dylan Gabriel that he wasn't all over that,
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Speaker 1: because that is the type quarterback that those type coaches like.
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Speaker 1: I remember when Kyle Shanahan first got the job, he
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Speaker 1: drafted c. J. Bethard in the third round. It was
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Speaker 1: an insane pick at the time, but he likes guys
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Speaker 1: like that. He drafted Rourke, the quarterback from Indiana last
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Speaker 1: year in the seventh round. We see a lot of
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Speaker 1: these guys in the Shanahan system. Sean McVay drafted Sesin
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Speaker 1: Bennett in the fifth. They don't need like they will
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Speaker 1: gravitate toward guys that the scouting community will be like
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Speaker 1: what and the Dylan Gabriel situation was an epic disaster.
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Speaker 1: He can't play so like I would even separate the
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Speaker 1: stor thing because who knows the dynamics and that I
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Speaker 1: think the owner was heavily involved. But to me, once
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Speaker 1: he got his opportunity to just get them moving. His
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Speaker 1: choice was borderline unplayable, and I think that that had
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Speaker 1: to play a huge factor. And I think you see
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Speaker 1: all three of these guys g You know, Smith got
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Speaker 1: a decent amount of money. They trade a third round
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Speaker 1: pick for Kevin Stefanski. He this third round pick on
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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel. Most people I knew in the league that
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Speaker 1: he was an undrafted free agent. And obviously Jonathan Gannon
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Speaker 1: just took a job where they were heavily invested in
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. And when you take that job, you go, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I can make it work because you want to say that,
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Speaker 1: you get this huge raise, you start making way more money,
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Speaker 1: you know, and then it blows up in your face.
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Speaker 1: And obviously this year they had a million injuries and
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Speaker 1: they were just a train wreck. I mean, they haven't
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Speaker 1: won a game in forever, and honestly, they weren't even
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Speaker 1: playing that bad yesterday against the Rams. It just the
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Speaker 1: war of attrition. As the game went on, the Rams
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Speaker 1: just started run circles around them. So I think you
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Speaker 1: got to be very careful. And the number one thing
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Speaker 1: I would tell all these guys, and I get it,
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Speaker 1: it's it's these are ambitious people and I'm not just
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Speaker 1: talking Jannon in Stuff, Fanski and Pete Carroll, but I'm
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Speaker 1: just talking a lot of coaches in the league. They
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Speaker 1: want to be at the head of the conference table,
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Speaker 1: not on the side, right. That is what they aspire
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Speaker 1: to do. They don't want to make suggestions, they want
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Speaker 1: to make decisions. They want to go and financially it
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Speaker 1: has a huge, huge impact on You make a lot
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Speaker 1: of money being a coordinator relative to the rest of society.
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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of these guys, if they're OC's
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Speaker 1: or DC's are making two, three, four, five million dollars
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Speaker 1: if you're a guy like Robert Soli, but you want
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Speaker 1: to be a head coach and becoming a head coach
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Speaker 1: can pay you eight, ten, twelve million dollars. Ben Johnson
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Speaker 1: last year was making a lot with the Lions, and
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Speaker 1: then he became the head coach of the Bears and
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Speaker 1: makes thirteen million dollars a year. So there's financial aspects
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Speaker 1: of it. There is just ambition, you know, in someone's
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Speaker 1: soul and what they aspire to do. There is wanting
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Speaker 1: to take your shot at the highest level against the
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Speaker 1: best of the best. But you better know what you're
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Speaker 1: doing when you sign up, and the quarterback position, more
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Speaker 1: than all the other positions, changes the course of your
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Speaker 1: life professionally, no different than like I said, who you
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Speaker 1: marry and who you get into business with, because if
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Speaker 1: you make the right decisions on those, life's great as
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Speaker 1: well as it can be. Obviously there are twists and
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Speaker 1: turns always we don't control anything, but it makes life
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Speaker 1: a lot easier. And these guys you know, just had
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Speaker 1: quarterback situations that became you know, toxic fast. It did
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Speaker 1: not work, and they all got fired. And I would
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Speaker 1: I said the same thing on Sunday night about Raheem Morris.
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Speaker 1: What got Raheem Morris fired was the month's stretch where
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Speaker 1: he gave Kirk Cousins two years, four year contract, but
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Speaker 1: he even two years, one hundred million dollars and they
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Speaker 1: drafted Michael Pennocks number eight overall. Two years later, Cousins
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Speaker 1: has made I think ninety two one hundred million dollars
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Speaker 1: and Penicks has a torn acl That's why I got
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Speaker 1: fired full stop, you know, because that led them to
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Speaker 1: losing games. And I think it's no different with these
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Speaker 1: guys so and that leads me to like the selective accountability.
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Speaker 1: You know, when guys are higher gms and coaches like
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Speaker 1: tandem new Oh, they're on the same contract. They both
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Speaker 1: have five years. Here's the problem is, when you're winning,
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Speaker 1: everything's great. People are arms and arm in arm. The
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Speaker 1: city loves both guys. You know, positive reinforcement from the
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Speaker 1: fan base, from the ownership when you were losing. No
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Speaker 1: different than life. When shit hits the fan, you find
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Speaker 1: out someone's true colors. That's how football is because when
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Speaker 1: you start losing, people start pointing fingers. And that's where
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Speaker 1: coaches very quickly can be out on a professional island.
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Speaker 1: Because every time that we're sitting on our couch watching
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Speaker 1: these games on Sundays, where are the general managers. They're
10:50
Speaker 1: typically in a suite with the owner. And here's the
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Speaker 1: other thing. The language the coaches speak x's and o's
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Speaker 1: the UH, a language that most human beings, even scouts
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Speaker 1: and people in the front office, can't speak the language
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Speaker 1: of an offensive or defensive code of a coordinator or
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Speaker 1: a head coach or a special team. They don't speak
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Speaker 1: that language. Well, the owner definitely doesn't speak that language.
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Speaker 1: What language does the GM speak? Contracts? Basic players, This
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Speaker 1: guy's good, this guy's bad. Talking the draft coaches during
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Speaker 1: the season have a whistle around their neck and they're
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Speaker 1: obsessed with plays on offensive defense and what will work
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Speaker 1: on Sunday. I mean, the owners obviously chimes in and talks,
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Speaker 1: but he speaks English. They speak Chinese, which is football,
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Speaker 1: so they can't communicate on the same wavelength. I'm not
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Speaker 1: talking every coach. I'm just saying, once you get in trouble,
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Speaker 1: the GM is speaking more what they can understand. And
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Speaker 1: here's the other thing about the gms. They don't want
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Speaker 1: to lose their job because, unlike coaches, most general managers
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Speaker 1: get one GM job in that career. A lot of coaches,
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Speaker 1: like Kevin Stefanski, there's a decent chance Kevin Stefanski is
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Speaker 1: going to be hired in the next like two weeks. Right,
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Speaker 1: if Andrew Berry was fired, there's no guarantee that he's
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Speaker 1: getting another job, not just this cycle, but many cycles.
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Speaker 1: He could just be in number two for a while.
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Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of guys b gms. Thomas de
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Speaker 1: Metrov had a really really good run in Atlanta. Right
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Speaker 1: drafted Matt Ryan, drafted Julio Jones. They went to an
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Speaker 1: NFC championship game, They went to a fool. Never been
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Speaker 1: to the GM again, never will be. That's just over,
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Speaker 1: dan Quinn. Meanwhile, he got a second shot. How's that
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Speaker 1: going in Washington? Last time I checked? Not great? But
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Speaker 1: they get a second shot. And I think that's the
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Speaker 1: thing with gms, that they are in survival mode, just
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Speaker 1: like a lot of people. You know, I worked in
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Speaker 1: the corporate world for a couple of years in the radio,
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Speaker 1: and I had never been in that environment, and I
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Speaker 1: just saw all these people just that are just survivors.
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Speaker 1: And many of you that are watching or listening this
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Speaker 1: can relate people in management positions. They're like, what's this
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Speaker 1: guy doing? I don't know, but he'll do anything to
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Speaker 1: keep that job that pays him six figures. He will
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Speaker 1: do absolutely anything. And that's no different than gms, because
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Speaker 1: you can't convince me, like, how does Stefanski lose his
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Speaker 1: job and Andrew Barry keep his job? How does Brian
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Speaker 1: da Ball lose his job and Joe Shane keep his job?
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Speaker 1: How does Jonathan Gannon keep his job or lose his job?
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Speaker 1: In Monte Austin Ford keep his job? Pretty easy because
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Speaker 1: they force the coach on this island and they get
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Speaker 1: cozy up with the owner, and the owner likes them
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Speaker 1: more and trust them more, and he can bad mount
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Speaker 1: them where when they're in the middle of the game
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Speaker 1: getting their ass kicked, even though they bear the responsibility.
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Speaker 1: I watched John spikeex press conference today. The first thing
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Speaker 1: he says is I bear more responsibility on this than
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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. Now, the difference in that situation, I would
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Speaker 1: say than Joe Shane and day Ball, than Austin Ford
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Speaker 1: and Jonathan Gannon. It was clear when they hired Pete Carroll,
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Speaker 1: like John Spiked and Pete Carroll were not arm in
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Speaker 1: arm for the next twenty years. Pee Carroll's seventy five
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Speaker 1: years old. They just wanted him to get the train
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Speaker 1: going in the right direction. It turned out Pete Carroll
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Speaker 1: should have retired and never come out of retirement, and
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Speaker 1: they made a mistake. But these other guys showed up
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Speaker 1: with a younger coach and did it together until they
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Speaker 1: started losing, and then the coach did it by himself.
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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, that's his fault, you know why, because
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Speaker 1: they say my players are good. I don't know Monte
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Speaker 1: Austin Fort at all, but I know this. He had
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Speaker 1: the fourth overall pick a couple years ago, and he
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Speaker 1: took Marvin Harrison Junior, who is clearly not the most
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Speaker 1: talented player in his own draft class, Malik Neighbors, who
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Speaker 1: went two spots better every one in the league. If
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Speaker 1: you gave the opportunity to take one or the other
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Speaker 1: and it's not like, well one guy's hurt, well the
14:44
Speaker 1: other guy's hurt too, would take Moleague Neighbors. But here's
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Speaker 1: the thing. Your offensive line stinks, why not lean the
14:52
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage? Well, who did Jim Harbaugh take the
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Speaker 1: pick after Marvin Harrison junior, Joel who when he's on
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Speaker 1: the field is an All Pro? And who would Jim
15:03
Speaker 1: Harbaugh have taken if he had the choice between Marvin
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Speaker 1: Harrison and Joelt he would have taken Joealt. So I
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Speaker 1: go like, and you go, John, you can play Monday
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Speaker 1: morning quarterback on these picks. True, But when you have
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Speaker 1: these high picks, why should I trust you? So? I
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Speaker 1: think this league, like any business, becomes backstabbing so fast,
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Speaker 1: finger pointing and trying to push the responsibility on others
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Speaker 1: when you are equally to blame. And you should you know,
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Speaker 1: get the acts as well. But I do understand if
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Speaker 1: I was these gms knowing that like, yeah, Jonathan Gannon,
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Speaker 1: he'd goes somewhere bea DC for a couple of years
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Speaker 1: and get another shot. I will not. So it's just
15:44
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15:45
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Speaker 1: has grown up in the Internet era of quarterbacks, with
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Speaker 1: Peyton and Brady to Rogers, to the crew of Eli's,
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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan's, Philip Rivers, Roethlisberger's Drew Brees. We've been very
18:06
Speaker 1: lucky to obviously this new crew of Mahomes Burrow, you know,
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Speaker 1: been very lucky in the NFL. It's a huge part
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Speaker 1: of their business plan. They need new, young, exciting quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: to come and take over when other guys disappear, and
18:27
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan's has stud I've always been a fan, always
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Speaker 1: appreciated his game. I would almost call him an overachiever.
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Speaker 1: Clearly a very very smart guy. But Tom Pelasaro reported
18:39
Speaker 1: today that Matt Ryan plans like all signs are pointing
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Speaker 1: to him to become this role that like Tony Basselli
18:47
Speaker 1: got last year, which is like, I'm not the GM,
18:50
Speaker 1: I don't own the team, but I'm like somewhere above
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Speaker 1: the GM. Spielman in Detroit has a similar rule and
18:58
Speaker 1: they're like, we're gonna do that with Matt. I was like, oh, totally,
19:02
Speaker 1: I have no issue with those type moves. If Philip
19:05
Speaker 1: Rivers wanted to do something like that. Do it. That's awesome.
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch you. Here's the problem is that
19:13
Speaker 1: it was reported today that Matt Ryan plans on continuing
19:16
Speaker 1: to do TV. What That's not the way this thing works.
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Speaker 1: You'd be like, well, Tom Brady does it. Here's the difference.
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady bought into the country Club. Tom Brady is
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Speaker 1: an owner, So now we can disagree with his tactics.
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Speaker 1: Still living in Florida, playing golf, hanging out, enjoying life
19:37
Speaker 1: while talking to spy tech and kind of dictating the
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19:43
Speaker 1: ideal situation? Of course not. But he paid for the
19:46
Speaker 1: right to do that. These other guys are being paid,
19:50
Speaker 1: like Tony Busselli Spielman or Matt Ryan to be an
19:53
Speaker 1: executive to compete against Brian Goudikins, especially if you're in
19:57
Speaker 1: the NFC like Atlanta, Howie Roseman, Jason Light. I know
20:01
Speaker 1: they had a bad season, but last I checked, Jason
20:03
Speaker 1: Light's been in this business for like twenty five plus
20:05
Speaker 1: years and is widely considered one of the best gms.
20:08
Speaker 1: John Schneider less neat John Lynch. You don't see. You know,
20:11
Speaker 1: John Lynch is gonna be you know, like the president GM,
20:15
Speaker 1: but he's still gonna do some Fox games. You know why,
20:17
Speaker 1: that's not possible. You can't be in an industry as
20:20
Speaker 1: competitive as football, with as much on the line against
20:23
Speaker 1: people that are grinding seven days a week, three hundred
20:27
Speaker 1: and sixty five days, and have a shot to compete.
20:30
Speaker 1: Because I'll say this about Tony BISSELLI. I looked up
20:33
Speaker 1: at the Jags game multiple times this year, him, Gladstone,
20:37
Speaker 1: the GM are on the field and they're hugging Liam Cohen.
20:40
Speaker 1: He's traveling with the team. He's full time. This is
20:44
Speaker 1: his job. It's not like, you know, I turn on
20:46
Speaker 1: TV and there's Tony Boselli calling games on Sunday. That's
20:50
Speaker 1: not how it works. And I don't blame Matt Ryan.
20:53
Speaker 1: If they give you the right, like you don't deserve anything.
20:56
Speaker 1: You get what you negotiate. So clearly Matt Ryan wants
20:58
Speaker 1: his cake and eat it too. Don't blame him at all,
21:01
Speaker 1: But it is not realistic to do the job a
21:05
Speaker 1: couple of days a week. You have no chance on
21:08
Speaker 1: God's green earth to be competitive doing it that way.
21:10
Speaker 1: You just don't not when you have a bunch of
21:12
Speaker 1: juice that are making decisions, not against the John Schneider
21:15
Speaker 1: or Howie Roseman that this is their life. They're ten
21:19
Speaker 1: toes down, you know. If I'll use myself as an example.
21:23
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, I used to do multiple
21:25
Speaker 1: podcasts and I got to the point where I'm like,
21:28
Speaker 1: I'm kind of spreading myself thin. And I told Colin,
21:31
Speaker 1: like this thing started kind of taking off. I'm like,
21:33
Speaker 1: I'm going all in on this. You know this, this
21:36
Speaker 1: is all I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna spend any
21:39
Speaker 1: other time other shows. I had a local show in
21:41
Speaker 1: the Bay Area, even when I moved to Arizona. I'm like,
21:43
Speaker 1: I it's taking too much out of me, and to
21:46
Speaker 1: get this where I want to go, I have to
21:48
Speaker 1: give all my energy into this, and it's the best
21:52
Speaker 1: thing and financially it's the smartest thing I've ever done
21:55
Speaker 1: by a mile. And I knew I had to do
21:57
Speaker 1: it because you only have especially as you get older
22:00
Speaker 1: in competitive industries, you only have so many bullets in
22:03
Speaker 1: the gun, and there's a small select group of people
22:08
Speaker 1: that can dominate, like seven eight things. Most human beings,
22:12
Speaker 1: even the richest people are pretty dialed in on one
22:14
Speaker 1: or two, and it takes all your energy, It takes
22:17
Speaker 1: all your effort, right, all of it, And I just
22:21
Speaker 1: don't think it's possible even a job like he's just
22:23
Speaker 1: sitting there on a set. It's not even that difficult.
22:26
Speaker 1: It does take time, because you know what, on Sunday
22:28
Speaker 1: he could be at a venue talking with the opposing team,
22:32
Speaker 1: talking with players, just getting a feel for it. There's
22:35
Speaker 1: a reason these gms travel with the team. It is beneficial.
22:40
Speaker 1: So I understand Matt not wanting to give up his
22:45
Speaker 1: responsibilities with TV and all the different income streams, Like
22:49
Speaker 1: I get it, but I'd also say, if you want
22:51
Speaker 1: a chance to be good at this job, against the
22:53
Speaker 1: best in the business because the NFC. Here's the one
22:56
Speaker 1: thing you'd say about the NFC. Ton of good front offices.
23:00
Speaker 1: I mean a lot that are now combined with really
23:03
Speaker 1: good coaches. And there's a reason that Atlanta has been
23:06
Speaker 1: getting fucking drubbed belt to ass Arthur Smith and in
23:10
Speaker 1: the last couple of years have not gone above five
23:12
Speaker 1: hundred with the amount of talent they had on their team.
23:15
Speaker 1: And that's with two guys U two guys they just
23:19
Speaker 1: fired that were all in that that was their only
23:22
Speaker 1: job trying. So it shows you how difficult it is.
23:25
Speaker 1: It's why so many coaches. I remember Tom Coughlin after
23:28
Speaker 1: he used to win, like he used to always talk
23:30
Speaker 1: to the team whatever videos. This is like early days
23:32
Speaker 1: of videos in the locker room, and he'd be like, hey,
23:35
Speaker 1: boys were humbling. We're humble in victory. We're humble. You
23:38
Speaker 1: know why, because you can't start pumping your chest because
23:40
Speaker 1: the next week you're getting teeth kicked in. You got
23:43
Speaker 1: to be very, very careful because it's too difficult. There's
23:46
Speaker 1: just too much online. These guys are too maniacal, like
23:50
Speaker 1: you know hard. I know they had a bad year
23:52
Speaker 1: this year, but do you know how many hours like
23:54
Speaker 1: Andy and Veech are putting in in football. It's their life,
23:59
Speaker 1: it's their life. I remember seeing the clip in that
24:01
Speaker 1: documentary they did last year on the Chiefs and coach
24:04
Speaker 1: Reed was crying after you know, it was after the
24:07
Speaker 1: super Bowl. But like you're so invested, there's not like,
24:11
Speaker 1: well he's doing like three other jobs. No, that's not
24:12
Speaker 1: the way it works. So I when I saw that,
24:15
Speaker 1: I went even John Elway whenever he started with the
24:21
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos as the quote unquote GM and the
24:24
Speaker 1: president that that was his job, that's all he did.
24:28
Speaker 1: I'm just not a huge believer. I don't care what
24:32
Speaker 1: you're doing. But in any business that has any sort
24:35
Speaker 1: of like high level competition of other individuals and whether
24:40
Speaker 1: it's doesn't matter, you better be all in or you're
24:45
Speaker 1: gonna get rolled. And I'll get out of here on this.
24:49
Speaker 1: You know, let's talk about some people that are gonna
24:51
Speaker 1: be zoned in right now. And I think the coolest
24:54
Speaker 1: part about the playoffs. Obviously the players you can become legendary,
24:58
Speaker 1: but so can the coaches. And you know, we see
25:01
Speaker 1: some of these guys like Jonathan Gannon gets fired never
25:04
Speaker 1: made the playoffs. And when you make the playoffs, it's
25:07
Speaker 1: a really big deal. Like Ben Johnson taking the Bears
25:10
Speaker 1: to the playoffs is a huge deal. Liam Cohen taking
25:12
Speaker 1: the Jags of the playoffs massive deal. But winning a
25:17
Speaker 1: playoff game, even just one playoff game, is huge. Winning
25:21
Speaker 1: playoff games on the road, Lafleur, who wants a contract extension,
25:26
Speaker 1: is worth a lot of money. So obviously these coaches
25:30
Speaker 1: are just nuts. They spend all week an unhealthy amount
25:35
Speaker 1: of hours during when you're playing the crappy teams. I
25:38
Speaker 1: do think there's an just elevated level of focus and
25:44
Speaker 1: intensity when it comes to this week and the next
25:47
Speaker 1: several weeks. And I think the coolest part about this
25:50
Speaker 1: is like all of a sudden, you look up and
25:52
Speaker 1: the Jags are in the AFC Championship game. You know,
25:56
Speaker 1: you think Liam Cohen gets a lot of credit winning
25:58
Speaker 1: thirteen regular season games. The two playoff wins would basically
26:02
Speaker 1: be worth a season of a thirteen win. The year
26:05
Speaker 1: it would buy, I'd give him a contract extension. You know,
26:09
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott, most people are kind off the center of
26:12
Speaker 1: the bills. He goes on a little run right now.
26:14
Speaker 1: That's the way you get a massive contract extension. That's
26:17
Speaker 1: the way you get so much equity that like you're
26:19
Speaker 1: not getting fired. And I love the playoffs, man, I
26:23
Speaker 1: really do, because everything is on the line. You know,
26:26
Speaker 1: we talk. You guys know where I stand on people
26:29
Speaker 1: talking about the process. No one cares about your process
26:32
Speaker 1: if your results suck. That's just the way the world works.
26:37
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of these guys, when they
26:40
Speaker 1: get results, that's when people really start like, what the
26:43
Speaker 1: heck Jim Harbaugh goes on the road and beats the
26:46
Speaker 1: Patriots'd be like, God, this guy's won a lot of
26:49
Speaker 1: playoff games. You know, this guy truly is a pretty
26:52
Speaker 1: legendary individual. And obviously for a lot of these coaches,
26:55
Speaker 1: they're very dependent on their assistance, their coordinators, their position coaches.
27:00
Speaker 1: This is just a massive week because it sucks. It's
27:04
Speaker 1: once you get to the second or definitely the conference
27:06
Speaker 1: championship game. Obviously, losing is a kick in the nuts,
27:09
Speaker 1: but it's still like winning playoff games. You advance, you
27:12
Speaker 1: get bounced in the first round. It sucks. And the spreads,
27:18
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll dive into it later in the week.
27:20
Speaker 1: They're not big. It's gonna be very hard to gamble on.
27:22
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very hard to pick. You know. It's like,
27:24
Speaker 1: I love the Jags the way they've been playing, but
27:27
Speaker 1: am I comfortable picking them against the Bills. I'm just very,
27:31
Speaker 1: very excited to watch all these coaches zone in for
27:34
Speaker 1: the week at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the
27:50
Speaker 1: Instagram fire in those DMS questions answered here on the show.
27:55
Speaker 1: Easiest way to get involved, Let's just dive right in.
27:59
Speaker 1: How bananas were you going when Baltimore missed the kick?
28:02
Speaker 1: Wasn't that the last thing you needed for your big parlay? Honestly,
28:06
Speaker 1: when Likely and Lamar made, I mean I saw TJ
28:09
Speaker 1: coming around, I'm like, he's gonna sack Lamar. Beautiful pass,
28:12
Speaker 1: incredible catch, Jalen Ramsey a step short step late. I
28:17
Speaker 1: just thought the game was over, so I kind of
28:19
Speaker 1: checked out, could barely watch the field goal. And you
28:23
Speaker 1: knew it right when he came off his off his foot,
28:25
Speaker 1: So it was it was pretty incredible. Uh, now that
28:29
Speaker 1: the number one, Now that the Seahawks are the number
28:31
Speaker 1: one seed, I want anyone but the Rams. If you
28:34
Speaker 1: had to rank the NFC teams, who is the best
28:37
Speaker 1: shot of making the Super Bowl? Clearly Seattle home games
28:41
Speaker 1: two games. I mean huge home field advantage, and they
28:44
Speaker 1: have a great defense. So when you have a great
28:47
Speaker 1: defense and you play at home, if the quarterback can
28:49
Speaker 1: just play solid and run the ball, they're gonna be
28:51
Speaker 1: a problem. They're getting their left tackle back, they just
28:53
Speaker 1: have a much easier path. Uh. Then to me, it
28:57
Speaker 1: depends on you know, if like let's say the Packers
29:00
Speaker 1: were to upset the Bears and the Eagles beat the Niners,
29:03
Speaker 1: like the Eagles, get a huge advantage playing at home again.
29:08
Speaker 1: So to me, the home games are huge. The Rams
29:11
Speaker 1: in theory should be good. One they're not playing that well,
29:14
Speaker 1: and two they got to go on the road. You know,
29:17
Speaker 1: they definitely got to go on the road the first
29:18
Speaker 1: two weeks. So even if Carolina is not a very
29:22
Speaker 1: good team, right, you still gotta fly five hours, beat them,
29:27
Speaker 1: come back, then fly again, maybe to play Seattle. If
29:31
Speaker 1: the Niners or the Packers were to win, you probably
29:34
Speaker 1: gotta go, you know, to Chicago. It's just a lot
29:37
Speaker 1: of travel, and I think it's pretty clear Seattle won,
29:42
Speaker 1: and then I would probably do some combination of like
29:44
Speaker 1: Philly in the Rams, you know, the Bears. I just
29:48
Speaker 1: think you can't be that bad at defense, and this
29:51
Speaker 1: is where I'd put the Niners under the Bears. The
29:53
Speaker 1: Niners lost even more guys against Seattle. They lost their
29:56
Speaker 1: starting linebacker that replaced Fred Warner, Towarres Grown going out
30:00
Speaker 1: for the year. They had someone sent me the injury
30:04
Speaker 1: report today. It's like, you can't have that many injuries
30:06
Speaker 1: and keep winning these games on the road. It would
30:09
Speaker 1: be an incredible accomplishment. I think it's gonna be difficult,
30:12
Speaker 1: even if the Eagles are weird for them even to
30:15
Speaker 1: kind of keep it close. How are they gonna stop
30:16
Speaker 1: the run? Now, maybe Kevin Patola doesn't call run plays,
30:19
Speaker 1: but I think it's really Seattle to Rams or Philly.
30:25
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time seeing Chicago with the
30:27
Speaker 1: defense just terrible. I mean, their defense looked really really
30:30
Speaker 1: bad against the Green Bay Pack or against the Lions,
30:33
Speaker 1: and I get it emotional come down, but like those
30:37
Speaker 1: are their players know It's not like, well they got reinforced. No,
30:40
Speaker 1: it's like Jalen Johnson's out there, he's coming back from injuries.
30:42
Speaker 1: Doesn't look the same. Their DB's look so slow. You're
30:46
Speaker 1: a forty nine er guy, I'm a Jags guy, so
30:49
Speaker 1: we most likely both don't like Balky. You know what's
30:52
Speaker 1: funny is everyone always hated Balkey in my interactions with him,
30:57
Speaker 1: but he kind of big timed me once when I
30:59
Speaker 1: was a JA for his state. But once I was
31:02
Speaker 1: doing the media stuff and coming around, he was always
31:05
Speaker 1: cool to me. Came on the radio again, he turned
31:08
Speaker 1: a lot of people off. Was never bad to me.
31:10
Speaker 1: So a lot of people hate him. He is kind
31:13
Speaker 1: of universally not liked by a lot of people. I
31:16
Speaker 1: never had an issue with him, I would say that.
31:19
Speaker 1: So your question is, but watching the Jags play this
31:23
Speaker 1: year with mostly bulky players playing out of their minds,
31:27
Speaker 1: is it clear Doug and Press for holding the Jags back? Well,
31:31
Speaker 1: I think as a GM, you're only as good as
31:35
Speaker 1: your coach, you know, and Balkey picked a bunch of players,
31:39
Speaker 1: got Jim Harbaugh, and they won a bunch of games. Now,
31:41
Speaker 1: he also inherited some guys from Scott mcclewan, but clearly
31:45
Speaker 1: did a pretty good job of drafting some players. They
31:47
Speaker 1: also lost a lot of games, so they drafted high.
31:50
Speaker 1: But the success is they got the coach right. Liam
31:53
Speaker 1: Cohen would have been good with Gladstone or with tram Balk.
31:56
Speaker 1: Clearly he's his stud coach, right, Ben Johnson be good,
32:00
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles or me. He's a stud coach. So when
32:02
Speaker 1: you hire the right coach, they make players look a
32:05
Speaker 1: lot better. It's why I never understand these gms that
32:09
Speaker 1: want like a yes man at coach, Like you need
32:12
Speaker 1: to get the best coach that gives you the best
32:14
Speaker 1: opportunity to win. You know. The Eagles are kind of
32:17
Speaker 1: stuck with Sirianni. But they pay a lot for court,
32:19
Speaker 1: like they pay Vic Vangol a lot of money they've
32:22
Speaker 1: gone through, Like they'll pay for Kellen Moore, they paid
32:25
Speaker 1: if Patola gets fired, like they'll pay for whoever the
32:27
Speaker 1: top coordinators. They will not hesitate. So like paying for
32:31
Speaker 1: coaches makes you look a lot better and it comes
32:33
Speaker 1: to the owner, do they want to open the checkbook?
32:35
Speaker 1: So obviously the jackson of talent because you watch them
32:39
Speaker 1: team speed, physicality. You know, does Trent Balkey get credit
32:43
Speaker 1: for Trevor Lawrence. I wanted to get your thoughts on
32:47
Speaker 1: current playoff format, specifically division winners with losing records, for example,
32:51
Speaker 1: teams like the Panthers eight to nine but still making
32:53
Speaker 1: the playoffs by winning a week division. Do you think
32:56
Speaker 1: there should be a rule that prevents teams with more
32:58
Speaker 1: losses than wins from qualifying for the playoffs. Well, I've
33:02
Speaker 1: been talking about this for a while. I think it's simple.
33:06
Speaker 1: If you go under five hundred to win your division,
33:09
Speaker 1: that is, it's hard to win a division, like it
33:12
Speaker 1: is difficult, right it is. Look at the Chicago Bears,
33:17
Speaker 1: Like the Lions just went nine to eight and they
33:19
Speaker 1: had a horrendous year, and they kind of worked the
33:23
Speaker 1: Bears most of that game, right, And that's just like
33:26
Speaker 1: you had to beat them. You had to beat the
33:27
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, you gotta beat the Minnesota Vikings. All
33:30
Speaker 1: those teams beat them. It's hard. That division is good Seattle.
33:35
Speaker 1: It came down to the last sixty minutes against the
33:37
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, and they also had to beat the
33:39
Speaker 1: Rams a couple of weeks ago, who are all twelve
33:41
Speaker 1: win teams. So when you go under five hundred, like
33:44
Speaker 1: that's a reflection on the competition that you're playing six
33:46
Speaker 1: games against. It sucks. So it has to matter. Like
33:51
Speaker 1: I'm not anti divisions, divisions matter, they do. I totally agree.
33:56
Speaker 1: But also if your division sucks, like you should just
33:58
Speaker 1: get a home game if you went eight to nine.
34:02
Speaker 1: I mean, the Panthers had, in theory, a must win
34:04
Speaker 1: game and they lost. They're just not good and they
34:08
Speaker 1: get to host the Rams. That seems crazy to me.
34:11
Speaker 1: I think the solution is simple. You can say the
34:15
Speaker 1: four seed, but if you go under five hundred, you
34:17
Speaker 1: play on the road to any team that you have
34:19
Speaker 1: a worst record then and you're gonna have worst record
34:23
Speaker 1: than everyone in the playoffs because you went eight to nine.
34:27
Speaker 1: That's such a bad record. Like the Falcons win eight
34:30
Speaker 1: and nine, they just fired everybody. Think about that, Todd Bowles.
34:34
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a decent chance he still gets fired.
34:36
Speaker 1: They're meeting tomorrow. Probably what my guess would be as
34:39
Speaker 1: of recording this on Monday, he gets fired. I'm a
34:43
Speaker 1: Denver fan, but trying to be objective, something just feels
34:46
Speaker 1: weird about Sean Payton and what he's doing in Denver.
34:49
Speaker 1: Do you ever recall a team that gets the number
34:51
Speaker 1: one seed and is looked down upon as much as
34:53
Speaker 1: the Broncos. I feel like the Charger game was played
34:56
Speaker 1: that way on purpose to handle the win and move on.
35:00
Speaker 1: I was barely allowed to throw and they just looked
35:02
Speaker 1: handicapped the whole game. Do you think Sean is strategically
35:05
Speaker 1: doing this to still get the number one seed and
35:08
Speaker 1: have everybody flying under the radar. I think the skepticism
35:13
Speaker 1: is simple. Their offense a lot of the year has
35:16
Speaker 1: not looked good. That game was a joke. Trey Lance stinks.
35:20
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not good. I mean it's pretty crazy
35:22
Speaker 1: looking back the forty nine ers straight three first round
35:24
Speaker 1: picks for him, that's an all time whiff. He's man,
35:28
Speaker 1: He's bad. I mean, the drop off from him to
35:30
Speaker 1: Herbert or from Herbert to him is like the size
35:33
Speaker 1: of the Grand Canyon. I'm not sure he's an NFL player. Honestly,
35:36
Speaker 1: Chargers got very lucky that he didn't have to play
35:39
Speaker 1: real games because they would lose them all. I would
35:42
Speaker 1: say this about Denver. When they're right, they're gonna be very,
35:47
Speaker 1: very tough to beat. But their defense looked a little
35:49
Speaker 1: shaky down the stretch, and bo Nicks just has games
35:52
Speaker 1: like against the Chiefs or against the Raiders that people
35:54
Speaker 1: don't trust him. Simple, if he plays like they did
35:58
Speaker 1: against the Green Bay Packers that one game, just seventy
36:01
Speaker 1: five percent of that, they'll win the AFC. But most
36:05
Speaker 1: people just don't trust him. So I think it's less
36:07
Speaker 1: about Sean Payton and more about what people see with
36:10
Speaker 1: bo Nicks. I think it's really that simple. And their
36:13
Speaker 1: defense simply is not as dominant. They just haven't been
36:15
Speaker 1: playing that well. Colin has a lot to talk about
36:21
Speaker 1: Stefanski going to the Raiders, but if you're him, don't
36:24
Speaker 1: you want to see if any of the one and
36:26
Speaker 1: done playoff teams like the Bills could fire their coach.
36:30
Speaker 1: What do you think about JA seventeen and Stefanski as
36:33
Speaker 1: a combo? Who's JA seventeen? My an idiot John Harbaugh seventeen? Uh,
36:44
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. I am I moron.
36:48
Speaker 1: I would say this about Stefanski. I think it was
36:50
Speaker 1: reported today the Giants, the Titans and is the Cardinals
36:58
Speaker 1: like he's gonna interview with he's getting a job. I
37:02
Speaker 1: think if you're the Raiders, you're drafting Fernando Mendoza. So
37:06
Speaker 1: when you draft Fernando Mendoza, you want him to be
37:09
Speaker 1: equipped with a good coach. And I think the thing
37:12
Speaker 1: with Tom if Tom looks back like he did, get
37:16
Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss and then they transitioned to Josh McDaniels below Brian.
37:19
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, he had a really good offensive to Bruce Arians,
37:22
Speaker 1: he had great offensive coaching his whole career. And I
37:27
Speaker 1: think Stefanski, you know, when I see the thing about
37:30
Speaker 1: day Ball and Brian Flores, my question would be this,
37:35
Speaker 1: Let's say Brian Flores did shake the Patriot thing, It's
37:39
Speaker 1: actually turned good coach the second time. If Brian Daball
37:42
Speaker 1: does a good job with Fernando Mendoza. He will get
37:47
Speaker 1: another job. A one lock, he'll get another job. So
37:53
Speaker 1: wouldn't you just tire Brian Daball. I think it's really
37:57
Speaker 1: really important if you're going to take a number one
37:58
Speaker 1: overall pick at quarterback, to just surround him with competence,
38:04
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, look at Jane Daniels. I'm not
38:07
Speaker 1: the biggest Cliff Kingsbury guy. I know he's a nice guy.
38:09
Speaker 1: People like him, but like, I don't know something that
38:13
Speaker 1: wouldn't be my first pick. Look at Caleb. They got
38:16
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. It's like if Caleb somehow ever fails, that's
38:21
Speaker 1: on Caleb, not Ben Johnson. We see it works, right,
38:27
Speaker 1: and that's where Vrabel's lucky. Josh mc daniel's not gonna
38:29
Speaker 1: get another job. Sean Payton like he's not leaving. Bo
38:32
Speaker 1: Nick's got him. Did you see that bad snap in
38:36
Speaker 1: the Bears Lions game? Caleb stood in like the two
38:39
Speaker 1: yard line and flat footed fifty yard rope to get
38:42
Speaker 1: rid of it. Is it crazy to say is the
38:44
Speaker 1: biggest arm in the league and the most talent out
38:47
Speaker 1: of anyone, Not to mention the ball he threw against
38:50
Speaker 1: the Niners of Lovelin. I did look up and that
38:56
Speaker 1: ball that went through his hands. One thing Caleb has
38:59
Speaker 1: is he's just such a good athlete. He can just
39:01
Speaker 1: turn around and get places fast. I you know, do
39:05
Speaker 1: the size factor into talents? To me, it does right,
39:10
Speaker 1: Like if he was four inches taller, he would be
39:15
Speaker 1: the greatest prospect maybe ever. I mean, he'd be right
39:18
Speaker 1: up there with John Elway just talking prospect. Like the
39:21
Speaker 1: difference of him in Josh Allen is he just shorter
39:24
Speaker 1: and it's just a little easier to see over guys.
39:27
Speaker 1: So I would say Josh Allen Herbert would probably be
39:30
Speaker 1: considered the two biggest arms. I had put Caleb right
39:32
Speaker 1: there with him, and I do think the one thing
39:35
Speaker 1: he has over those two guys is Josh is obviously fast.
39:41
Speaker 1: There's like an explosion to Caleb that is like more
39:44
Speaker 1: a little more Lamarie. Maybe not the long speed, but
39:48
Speaker 1: there's like a shortier quickness to him that he's got. Yeah,
39:52
Speaker 1: he's got a lead talent. What else is say? No
39:55
Speaker 1: one disputes Caleb's like physical characteristics. The only knock you
39:59
Speaker 1: have on the body type it is just a little
40:02
Speaker 1: shorter than you like obviously the player you'd like a
40:05
Speaker 1: little more touch. But maybe I think that's I've said
40:09
Speaker 1: this before. I think you can develop that over the
40:11
Speaker 1: offseason or I mean that's that should be the number
40:13
Speaker 1: one thing you're working on to develop, beside like the
40:17
Speaker 1: growth of the metal game. Because there was a pass
40:21
Speaker 1: yesterday I think it was Luther Burton. It was like
40:24
Speaker 1: a quick slant and I get it's the NFL. You know,
40:27
Speaker 1: you touch it, you clutch it. He threw a slant.
40:31
Speaker 1: It looked like a Nolan Ryan fastball. I mean Burton
40:35
Speaker 1: turned around and that thing was off his hand. It's
40:37
Speaker 1: like you you just got to take a little off it.
40:40
Speaker 1: You can still throw it fast. I think he's really
40:43
Speaker 1: got to work on that, if it's even correctable. Some
40:47
Speaker 1: guys are never able to develop that. If the Rams
40:52
Speaker 1: go to Charlotte and just skull bleep the Panthers, does
40:55
Speaker 1: the NFL in the off season make a change regarding
40:58
Speaker 1: the eligibility for the playoffs. It's crazy the Lions are
41:02
Speaker 1: sitting at home while the Panthers are not only in
41:04
Speaker 1: the playoffs but hosting a game. I don't think anyone
41:08
Speaker 1: would disagree the Lions are better than the Panthers. Clearly
41:11
Speaker 1: now watch them Jamison Williams am and Ross Saint Brown
41:14
Speaker 1: gives not even close right, but divisions as of right now,
41:20
Speaker 1: they matter. You guys know where I stand. I'm not
41:22
Speaker 1: even against kicking them out. I just think that you
41:25
Speaker 1: should not get a home game. You shouldn't you watched,
41:28
Speaker 1: It'll probably be a tie game in the second half.
41:32
Speaker 1: Why does the NFL announce primetime games week one through
41:36
Speaker 1: seventeen before the season starts. I feel like they should
41:39
Speaker 1: announce one through ten before the season, and then around
41:43
Speaker 1: eight or nine announce the rest of the schedule. This way,
41:46
Speaker 1: they make sure Thanksgiving and Christmas games are gonna be great.
41:50
Speaker 1: Every year. There are so many teams that we think
41:52
Speaker 1: are bad and end up being interesting we never get
41:55
Speaker 1: to see on primetime. For example, this year, everyone says
41:59
Speaker 1: the Jags have been Their only primetime game was against
42:01
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and they weren't even that good at the time,
42:04
Speaker 1: or two years ago when Rogers got injured Week one.
42:08
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to be some schedule master. I do
42:12
Speaker 1: pretend to understand the ink, the all that goes on
42:16
Speaker 1: behind the scenes to it. I do think it's a
42:18
Speaker 1: little more complicated than the way you're playing it out one.
42:22
Speaker 1: You can't not announce the short week games. Teams have
42:25
Speaker 1: to know so they can prepare. It's why teams are
42:28
Speaker 1: very adamant about no flex short week games. Right, It's
42:34
Speaker 1: hard to flex a Monday night football game because the
42:38
Speaker 1: way I've prepared, the way I practice, it can be
42:42
Speaker 1: an unfair advantage. So I think it's more challenging than
42:45
Speaker 1: you say. But Sunday night football, I do think that
42:50
Speaker 1: maybe after October, So what's the difference of playing in
42:54
Speaker 1: the after one o'clock or five o'clock. So I would
42:57
Speaker 1: make Sunday much more flexible. You know the problem album
43:00
Speaker 1: miss Fox and CBS pay a lot too, so it's like, yeah,
43:05
Speaker 1: flex the afternoon CBS game. CBS goes, we pay premiums
43:10
Speaker 1: for Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow. Fox would say,
43:13
Speaker 1: we pay a shitload of money to show the Eagles
43:16
Speaker 1: and Kyle Shanahan and this good Seattle team. We want
43:21
Speaker 1: these games. So that's where it's like, Well, NBC just
43:24
Speaker 1: doesn't get to monopolize corner of the market on the
43:28
Speaker 1: sweetest games. They like the afternoon window, and let's be real,
43:33
Speaker 1: the morning window a lot of weeks sucks. Some of
43:36
Speaker 1: the games get entertaining down the stretch, but it's not
43:39
Speaker 1: very good matchups. And the NFL has really turned into
43:43
Speaker 1: if you kind of take a step back, Thursday Night,
43:46
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon CBS and Fox, Romo Nance in the Brady game,
43:52
Speaker 1: and then the Sunday Night and Monday night game and
43:55
Speaker 1: Monday Night can be a little hit or miss, but
43:57
Speaker 1: it's still Monday Night football. It's fine. Everyone enjoys it.
44:00
Speaker 1: Some games are better than others, but the Sunday morning
44:02
Speaker 1: games are not great. A lot of weeks, i mean,
44:06
Speaker 1: are really bad. It's a lot of like Browns and
44:09
Speaker 1: Cardinals and Giants commanders. It can be rough. Great Sunday
44:29
Speaker 1: Night show a little easier to keep up the great
44:31
Speaker 1: work it is. There's nothing better in football season. It
44:35
Speaker 1: does not get any easier than reacting to the games.
44:37
Speaker 1: It's the best podcasts. If you can't do that, you
44:41
Speaker 1: might as well quit. They really pay me for you know,
44:46
Speaker 1: May June July question for the back. I know, the
44:50
Speaker 1: sexy pick for Coach of the Year is the Patriots
44:52
Speaker 1: or the Bears, but Seattle in a division with the
44:54
Speaker 1: Rams and the Niners not only win the division, but
44:55
Speaker 1: lock up the one seed. If you wanted to vote
44:59
Speaker 1: for Mike McDonald, Mike McDonald, I wouldn't argue. I think
45:02
Speaker 1: it's really really hard. I think Kyle, once he lose
45:04
Speaker 1: that game is out because Mike would have to take
45:06
Speaker 1: him over. I think it was a group going into
45:12
Speaker 1: last week of five guys Vrabel, Liam Cohen, Ben Johnson,
45:18
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, and Kyle Shanahan. If I had to guess
45:21
Speaker 1: right now, I think Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen. I
45:26
Speaker 1: think they will get the NOD over Rabel's schedule was
45:30
Speaker 1: so easy. I think that will be fair not I
45:34
Speaker 1: think Forrabel's a stud. If you voted for him, I
45:36
Speaker 1: don't wouldn't blame you, But I think that will be
45:40
Speaker 1: as undoing for the award. So my guests will be
45:43
Speaker 1: it will be Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen, just because
45:46
Speaker 1: that organization was a joke. The one thing you'd say
45:49
Speaker 1: for Mike is he was unreal this year. He inherited
45:54
Speaker 1: a nine win team. I mean he didn't inherit the Bears.
45:58
Speaker 1: That would be the argument for he inherited a team
46:01
Speaker 1: that won eight games in two years. This this is
46:03
Speaker 1: not even a question. It's basically my take on the Ravens.
46:06
Speaker 1: They played like shit all year. We should have been
46:08
Speaker 1: better off season. We aren't Harbaugh or Bunkin and Lamar.
46:13
Speaker 1: It was all a yeah, I agree. They put themselves
46:16
Speaker 1: in that position. Started one in five. Lamar missed a
46:19
Speaker 1: bunch of times. Their defense early in the season was awful.
46:25
Speaker 1: They still had a chance to win the game, and
46:26
Speaker 1: let's face, they should have won the game. One thing
46:28
Speaker 1: I didn't touch on after the game is they got conservative, right,
46:32
Speaker 1: he had a time he had do he have multiple timeouts?
46:35
Speaker 1: When likely caught the ball? I guess they called a
46:37
Speaker 1: timeout when likely kitch the ball. I think you could
46:41
Speaker 1: have been a little more aggressive, got a little closer,
46:43
Speaker 1: you got a rookie kicker into the win. Boswell just missed. Yeah,
46:49
Speaker 1: just I'm with you. Whoever had lost that game. It's
46:53
Speaker 1: hard to feel sympathy for either side, right. It just
46:57
Speaker 1: is a bigger kick in the nuts when you lose
46:59
Speaker 1: in that fat Why does ownership matter this much or
47:06
Speaker 1: so much? It seems like Mark Davis tries to do
47:08
Speaker 1: the right thing and stay out of the picture. As
47:11
Speaker 1: a Raider fan, I'm generally interested in ownership interference. These teams.
47:17
Speaker 1: Uh interference tank these teams more than fans. No. I
47:23
Speaker 1: actually I've always said this about Mark Davis. You know,
47:25
Speaker 1: it was around him a little bit. And then he
47:27
Speaker 1: hires Gruden, he hired Josh McDaniels. He's like, you do it,
47:31
Speaker 1: you do it, which is not Mike Brown, and that
47:34
Speaker 1: family's heavily involved. But he let Brady into the club,
47:39
Speaker 1: let him buy in. Now, Tom has a lot of
47:41
Speaker 1: juice and by all accounts, like John spi Tech didn't
47:45
Speaker 1: want chip Kelly. That's a classic Tom Brady chip Kelly's
47:48
Speaker 1: Boys with Belichick. That was the dumbest hire ever. It's
47:51
Speaker 1: like chip Kelly and Pete Carroll, this is never gonna work.
47:55
Speaker 1: So like Tom has taken a role like he's pretty involved.
47:58
Speaker 1: Everyone that's that he knows more than me is like
48:01
Speaker 1: reporting this. The people in the Raiders building calling the
48:04
Speaker 1: boss and ownership all over the league. I'll use this
48:09
Speaker 1: example today when I'm getting my podcast ready. I don't like, Hey,
48:14
Speaker 1: these are the seven things I'm gonna I'm gonna talk
48:16
Speaker 1: about today. These are my angles. And I forward them
48:19
Speaker 1: off to Colin and three other people at the volume
48:21
Speaker 1: and they go, ah, like this don't like this, let's
48:24
Speaker 1: go with this. I just do whatever I want, right,
48:28
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch less sneed and Sean McVay
48:32
Speaker 1: when they want John Schneider, when they want to do something,
48:36
Speaker 1: they do it. Obviously they tell ownership, but ownership lets
48:39
Speaker 1: them do whatever they want. I'm getting rid of DK
48:42
Speaker 1: metcalf cool your decision, like that's that's not the way
48:46
Speaker 1: it works some places. And Jeffrey Lurie, how are you doing?
48:51
Speaker 1: What do you want to do this offseason? We're gonna
48:54
Speaker 1: trade aj Brown? Let it rip, Howie? So when someone
48:58
Speaker 1: tells you in micro manager you and listen, when the
49:00
Speaker 1: guy signing your checks, what are you gonna say? Say nothing?
49:03
Speaker 1: You do what they tell you to do, so it
49:05
Speaker 1: becomes difficult. I think Mark Davis's downfall hired the wrong coaches.
49:11
Speaker 1: You know, let's face it, gruten thing. I like Gruden,
49:14
Speaker 1: he entertains me online it was not going that well,
49:17
Speaker 1: it really was. I like Mike Mayock too that that
49:21
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna work. I mean, come on, let's be real.
49:26
Speaker 1: And the Josh McDaniels thing, like, I support that. I
49:28
Speaker 1: thought it made sense. Blew up in his face, blew
49:32
Speaker 1: up in his face. So if you hire the wrong people,
49:34
Speaker 1: even if you don't medal that, it will fail. If
49:37
Speaker 1: you do metal, you don't really know what you're talking about,
49:40
Speaker 1: and you just make things more complicated. So I think
49:43
Speaker 1: it's a lot of just chiming in with your ideas.
49:50
Speaker 1: More of a podcast question. I'm not sure you've answered this,
49:53
Speaker 1: but will you continue to do live postgame reactions once
49:56
Speaker 1: the Netflix deal hits? If so, will there be an
49:59
Speaker 1: opportunity for you to put out an audio only version
50:02
Speaker 1: somewhere that is simultaneously live. I think we're still working
50:07
Speaker 1: on the live situation. Obviously the season is close to over,
50:11
Speaker 1: but next season, I mean, we're dealing with a progressive
50:15
Speaker 1: company here that I don't see why. As we work
50:19
Speaker 1: through this that that I hopefully it's available. The audio
50:23
Speaker 1: for the podcasts have been consistent the entire time we've
50:28
Speaker 1: been doing video. They typically come out early in the
50:31
Speaker 1: morning the following day. This is a very fluid process,
50:36
Speaker 1: so I don't have all the answers we will. I
50:40
Speaker 1: will try to hammer that down the next couple weeks.
50:42
Speaker 1: Probably gonna have a baby, I would imagine in the
50:46
Speaker 1: next tenish days, so it's we're in a fluid part
50:51
Speaker 1: of my world. I'm not quite sure everything. I don't
50:55
Speaker 1: have all the answers. I guess I will get them
50:57
Speaker 1: to you as soon as I know them. I sound
51:01
Speaker 1: like a coach when there's an injury, like I'm not
51:03
Speaker 1: a doctor, But we will let you know when we know.
51:08
Speaker 1: I truly don't, but I I don't. The audio is
51:12
Speaker 1: not gonna change. The audio will come out when it's
51:16
Speaker 1: been coming out. I'm pretty sure which will be the
51:19
Speaker 1: first thing in the morning. Why is everyone saying there
51:27
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a massive pressure on Josh Allen to make
51:29
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I'm tired of people saying the Bills
51:32
Speaker 1: roster is horrible. He doesn't have the play of Burrow
51:35
Speaker 1: Lamar or the guy who beat him four times with Mahomes.
51:38
Speaker 1: He is by far the best quarterback. I think there's
51:40
Speaker 1: tangible pressure on them. I think he would get a
51:43
Speaker 1: lot of credit if we look up and there in
51:45
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. He gotta win this week. I get
51:48
Speaker 1: the Jags are really good. Gotta be Trevor Lawrence and
51:52
Speaker 1: the Jacks. That's a big game for him. You get
51:55
Speaker 1: a lot of credit if he wins because they're good.
51:56
Speaker 1: But like that's tough to be wanted done in the
51:59
Speaker 1: playoffs in the prime of your career. But what happens
52:02
Speaker 1: if he plays well, he throws four touchdowns and they
52:06
Speaker 1: lose by ten points. Is that his fault? Let him
52:10
Speaker 1: play out like there's pressure on him. He's playing Trevor Lawrence,
52:14
Speaker 1: who's been awesome. Would you trade Mike Tomlin for Mike McDaniel.
52:24
Speaker 1: The Dolphins need a culture center and the Steelers need
52:26
Speaker 1: to develop. Mike McDaniel can now be the coach of
52:28
Speaker 1: the Steelers. Can't happen. There's just no way. The Rooney
52:33
Speaker 1: family would never hire Mike McDaniel ever. Sp cole that
52:36
Speaker 1: guy looks in cold weather games. He would not even
52:40
Speaker 1: be on the short list. Woant I hire him as
52:42
Speaker 1: my offensive coordinator? For sure. Mike McDaniel's never gonna be
52:45
Speaker 1: the coach of the Steelers. If Mike Mike McDaniel is
52:49
Speaker 1: a coach of another NFL team, it'd be like the Cardinals,
52:54
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be a team like that. It would
52:56
Speaker 1: not He would never be the coach of the Steelers.
53:00
Speaker 1: Mike Tomblin coach and the Dolphins one I can see that.
53:04
Speaker 1: Mike and Daniel though never I grew up on rugby.
53:08
Speaker 1: I cannot believe someone that hasn't someone from that world
53:12
Speaker 1: hasn't sold themselves to a team as a tackling expert.
53:16
Speaker 1: I know NFL players think they tackle well, and some do,
53:18
Speaker 1: but I cannot believe how many mistackles I see every week.
53:21
Speaker 1: I just watched the Steelers running back run through four
53:24
Speaker 1: week tackles. I think he's talking about the Jalen Warren
53:26
Speaker 1: run on the outside every year or every yard counts.
53:32
Speaker 1: Coaching staff wouldn't want to do that. What am I
53:34
Speaker 1: paying the linebacker coach seven hundred fifty grand for? What
53:36
Speaker 1: am I paying my defensive coordinator to two million dollars for?
53:40
Speaker 1: If anything, those guys should reach out on their own
53:42
Speaker 1: time and figure out some techniques. But if I'm an owner,
53:45
Speaker 1: I would why do what are my coaches teaching? I
53:49
Speaker 1: also think this, You know, the practice in football has
53:58
Speaker 1: changed dramatically. You don't really practice, so it's hard to
54:01
Speaker 1: not really practice tackling and then just playing games against
54:04
Speaker 1: Jalen Warren expect to win in a one on one spot.
54:08
Speaker 1: I think that factors in in a big, big way.
54:12
Speaker 1: Listen to you and Colin about Mendoza's comp it's Burrow good,
54:17
Speaker 1: not great arm, but really good down the field, accuracy,
54:20
Speaker 1: comfortable when flushed from the pocket, and can throw in
54:23
Speaker 1: the move. Not a runner, but has mobility. These guy's
54:26
Speaker 1: like a scout. Most similarly clutch in the fourth quarter
54:30
Speaker 1: late game situations. Oregon, Iowa, Penn State, and Iowa State
54:34
Speaker 1: all required Mendoza to score keep possessions and he never blinked.
54:38
Speaker 1: I don't hate that at all. I think there are
54:41
Speaker 1: some similarities there, for sure. You know, a lot of
54:44
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's ability is just he's not the most physically
54:48
Speaker 1: gifted guy, doesn't have the biggest arm, is definitely not
54:52
Speaker 1: the fastest, isn't the tallest. He's just really good, even
54:55
Speaker 1: though he didn't really play that good kind of down
54:57
Speaker 1: the stretch of the season. But I don't hate that
55:00
Speaker 1: at all. The Matt Ryan thing, Matt Ryan to me
55:02
Speaker 1: couldn't move, so I see more of a mobile I
55:08
Speaker 1: like the Joe Burrow. Like Joe Burrow can move, you know,
55:12
Speaker 1: like a taller party. He can move, He can make
55:15
Speaker 1: plays with his legs. Trying to think of some other guys.
55:18
Speaker 1: I actually think there are a lot of similarity Trevor
55:20
Speaker 1: Lawrence is a better athlete, but I think the physical
55:23
Speaker 1: arm uh coming out of college. I think there's some
55:25
Speaker 1: similarities there. How do the Niners get pressure next week?
55:31
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. This no slash can't pressure
55:35
Speaker 1: game plan is agonizing to watch. They don't have any
55:38
Speaker 1: pass rushers, so how are they gonna get pressure? They're not.
55:43
Speaker 1: I guess you could blitz the house if you blitz
55:48
Speaker 1: the house with a mobile quarterback. You saw this with
55:51
Speaker 1: Kleb and with Jalen. If they want to make you
55:54
Speaker 1: pay with their legs, they can. To me if I'm
55:57
Speaker 1: Kevin Petola. There's the forty nine Ers. The winners is
56:01
Speaker 1: gonna be out for this game, and Tatum Bethune is
56:04
Speaker 1: out for the season. The Niners do not have any
56:08
Speaker 1: linebackers and their defensive line is decimated. I think they
56:10
Speaker 1: had multiple defensive line injuries in that game. Sakauon Barkley,
56:15
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have thirty plus carries in this game,
56:18
Speaker 1: I would fire him on the spot. If the forty
56:20
Speaker 1: nine Ers beat the Eagles in this game, how is
56:24
Speaker 1: gonna be firing some people? Because there's no They have
56:26
Speaker 1: no business losing because their defense is just decimated they
56:32
Speaker 1: should if if you told me right now over under
56:36
Speaker 1: rushing attempts for the Eagles, if it's not well over
56:39
Speaker 1: thirty five, they're not doing it right. I mean, that's
56:42
Speaker 1: that'd be really bad. I think the forty nine ers
56:46
Speaker 1: are in a lot of trouble. You just you can't
56:49
Speaker 1: lose that many players on defense, because this is an
56:52
Speaker 1: offense where it's like I can scheme to Marcus Robinson up,
56:54
Speaker 1: I can call some plays for Kendrick Bourne. What am
56:57
Speaker 1: I supposed to do for a pass rusher that can't
56:59
Speaker 1: rush the past? What am I supposed to do for
57:02
Speaker 1: a practice squad linebacker in a playoff game against Saquon Barkley.
57:06
Speaker 1: It's really difficult, So I you might as well just
57:10
Speaker 1: throw the kids and sink at him. My game plan
57:13
Speaker 1: would be simple, Listen, you just kind of gotta lean
57:15
Speaker 1: on Lenore Stout and Ernardo Green and hopefully they can
57:21
Speaker 1: kind of cover the wide receivers, and I would just
57:23
Speaker 1: blitz the house and stack the box and be like,
57:26
Speaker 1: you know, we're just we're just gonna try to somewhat
57:30
Speaker 1: neutralize if Saquon keeps Saquon under seventy five eighty yards
57:35
Speaker 1: and just take our chances with Jalen down the field.
57:38
Speaker 1: But if Saquon, if you told me right now he
57:41
Speaker 1: rushes for one hundred and forty hundred and fifty hundred
57:45
Speaker 1: and sixty yards, the Niners would be in major trouble.
57:48
Speaker 1: The other thing is their defense pretty good, and they
57:53
Speaker 1: got multiple pass rushers, they got good linebacker play. It's
57:59
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard, it would be. It would be
58:02
Speaker 1: one of Kyle's truly great wins with the roster that
58:06
Speaker 1: he's coming in with. Truly would be, which I think
58:09
Speaker 1: Ricky pierceaw Kyle's the today that you know, reinjured his
58:11
Speaker 1: PCL before that game, so I would guess he's not
58:14
Speaker 1: gonna play. I don't know. I think the Niners remarkable
58:19
Speaker 1: accomplishment winning some of these games. Winning that Bears game
58:22
Speaker 1: was crazy, but I just I think they're just out
58:26
Speaker 1: of bodies and there's no reinforcements coming. So all the
58:30
Speaker 1: pressures on the Eagles. They are favored in this game.
58:34
Speaker 1: They should win this game. But I guess that's why
58:38
Speaker 1: he snapped the ball. That's why you kick it off,
58:40
Speaker 1: play sixty, hope, maybe get some turnovers. Maybe you got it.
58:43
Speaker 1: Freaky shit, to happen. But Robert sala Is gonna have
58:46
Speaker 1: to just dial up some blitzes or I don't even know.
58:49
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you can do. Clearly, they're
58:51
Speaker 1: gonna have to score points. I mean, they're gonna have
58:52
Speaker 1: to be in the high twenties to me to have
58:54
Speaker 1: a shot to win any playoff game. Audios the volume