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2001's Ocean's Eleven · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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Well, Dave, I have to thank you. I appreciate any opportunity to
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go and visit Vegas and of course this was an opportunity to get
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the sights and sounds or having to lose any of the money.
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Yeah, it's a place where I've never been.
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You're missing out. It's not on my.
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List. You got to get on the list.
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Yeah. Oh my God, such a great vibe.
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I would never be able to convince my wife to go to.
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Vegas or to let you go to Vegas or to.
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Let me go to Vegas. It would have to be.
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It's a tandem deal on the down low.
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You know we have to. She's off in Turkey somewhere.
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You abscond over to Vegas for a couple of days.
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None the one what's tell her we're going to.
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Maraca, you know, that was our plan originally and we'll just
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hightail it to. Sure.
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Hang a quick left head to Vegas instead.
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Well done. Yeah.
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OK, we got a little plan. This movie, you know, give you a
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bit of an itch. To maybe go to Vegas or just go
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to Quebec. You know what it strangely it
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doesn't give me. It gives me an itch to go to
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Vegas because I love all the sights and sounds, but it
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doesn't necessarily give me the itch to gamble.
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This movie is not a gamble movie.
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So I thought it was kind of. That's true.
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Makes you want to like, yeah, get on heights.
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What makes me want to go to Vegas more than that is
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something like The Good Thief. If you remember that the last 15
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to 20 of that movie where he's just Bob, as you know, is, is on
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a streak and he's in the the South of France and he's doing
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all this, you know, that is like, I need to get to Vegas.
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Get me to a table immediately. This movie is great for the
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vibe, but I don't have the the compulsion, let's say.
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Yeah. That's good.
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I didn't want to bring out any sort.
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I didn't want to be a negative influence on you by any stretch.
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No, but just to be clear, I am going to Vegas at the end of
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September. So wonderful.
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It's locked in. I don't have to tell anybody
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either. Maybe you'll run in.
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No one. No approvals necessary.
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Maybe you'll run into Big Frank Thomas.
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That's right, the big hurt coming back.
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Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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Movie talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off the
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shelf, presents it to the other and discusses it at length.
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This week, we've got coming off of Dave Shelf 2001, Ocean's 11,
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George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Don Cheadle, Julia
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Roberts, Andy Garcia. Yeah.
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Yeah, keep it going. So many people.
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It's it's Steven Soderbergh directed.
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Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac Absolutely.
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Ted Griffith, The writing. It's a hell of a movie, David.
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What I do, what I do, buddy. So I appreciate you taking it
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off. It was nice to revisit.
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Dave, what is your history and interest in bringing off the
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shelf this week? You're not a Vegas guy.
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I'm not. Definitely not a Vegas guy.
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I don't have any fond memories of watching the movie.
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I have seen it maybe once or twice before.
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I think it's kicking around on the old DVD.
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OK, sure. The reason why I couldn't put a
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finger on it, I'm like. Why am I drawn to this?
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I don't I. Don't know, it's not a go to
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movie. I can't even put it under the
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category of hankering. You're a Garcia guy, we
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established. Oh, you are.
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I'm. A You are a Garcia guy, so maybe
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this is just a treat to you. A.
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Gift even. Yeah, a gift that nice.
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You know, house warming gift. Sure, sure.
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We are here in our in our brand new studio.
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Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, well funded.
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Yes, absolutely. We got a whole.
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Crew in here now. That's right.
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Finally. Yeah, pizza right around the
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corner is perfect. Yeah, yeah.
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But that's it, Phil. So I'm curious to know if you're
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willing to tell me your history with it.
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I will divulge. I imagine you might be drawn to
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this, you know. Absolutely.
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I saw this in the theater 2001. Living in Vancouver, OK and good
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years out there. It may be, and I may have
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believed it to be at the time, and in some ways still do, it
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may be the coolest movie ever made.
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Wow, that's it's. It's not like a great movie.
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It's it's heavens no kind of got some flaws.
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It it, you know, all the things that we're going to discuss it
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during the the episode, but man, oh, man, this is the a cool
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movie from minute one to the end.
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Like there's a cool vibe. And I can't think of anything
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better than that to say other than everything about it just
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feels cool. Yeah.
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And at the time I was like, there's nobody cooler in the
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world than George Clooney, Brad. But like, it just the vibe of
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this was so great. And I was really on a Steven
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Soderbergh high. I had loved his sort of previous
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four or five movies. I liked Aaron Brockovitz a lot.
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I love traffic Full frontal. I loved I loved sex, lies and
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videotape. I loved the King of the Hill.
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He's just done. Great movie after great movie.
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Out of sight we've already spoken about.
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I got out of sight vibes at the beginning because sure, for a
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good looking guy, he's been in prison twice now.
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Yeah, I don't know. You know, they're good looking.
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People can go to prison. I'm just happy he wasn't in a
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trunk. Yeah.
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Yeah. Really, This movie would have
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been better if they. Iced it out of a trunk.
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So that was my instinct when I first saw it.
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I was like, I have to see it. I really love the trailer.
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Thought it was really kind of clever and fun, the trailer.
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And then watching the movie, I was like, yeah, it delivered on
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all of those things, so. You're you were content as you
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walked out. Yeah, I loved it.
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I was really, I loved it when I saw it in 2001, masterpiece
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level or no. Again, recognizing that it was
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more just about being cool, just about a vibe.
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What year did the recruit come out?
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We did it like a little while ago.
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It's around the same time if I'm not mistaken though.
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Came out 2003. 'Cause we, we talked about the
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coolness of that. I felt like Colin Farrell would
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be good in this movie too, 'cause it's, it's about yeah,
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cool. I, I, I did feel like it was
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kind of obvious now looking back 20 odd years later, like, OK,
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you're trying to be cool. You're succeeding to a certain
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level. But in the dialogue, I felt like
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a little bit, you know, there's a couple of lines in there.
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Sure. A little bit written.
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Yeah. But there are some really
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amazing lines that actually I love in this movie.
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So a little bit of mixed bag, Cheryl.
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Totally for me, but he just the the the pallet, if you will,
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like the the way it's filmed and everything is certainly it's
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that time early 2000s that's the jam.
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Yeah. And I mean, we are, we saw a
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little bit of this with Soderbergh as well when dealing
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with Out of Sight, the different film stocks, the different sort
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of, you know, Detroit. Very blue and very and sort of
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saturated in Florida. There's a couple of that he's
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playing with, certainly playing it even more so in traffic.
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So here we are doing something similar where he's clearly a fan
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of the camera and what it can do.
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And it's of that era as you mentioned with the recruit in
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2002, even our 2003, sorry, Minority Report and I think 2002
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has that saturated coloring very early 2000.
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A lot of tweaking in the early 2000.
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I think it's like the rise of digital film is sort of coming
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into play some of the more techniques you can kind of play
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with. But anyway, I think this movie
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delivers what it tries to do without being a masterpiece, but
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being it might for my money like very watchable.
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Entertaining. It's an easy one to put on and
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just like coast with it. Just under 2 I believe.
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Ballpark. Yeah, it's really good.
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Now there is an Ocean's 12. Yeah, and 13.
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Now and eight, calm down this in a way, if you watch this at a
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later date, not when it came out, this would be like a
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prequel. Now, we recently did a prequel,
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so if you watched, say Oceans 12 and 13 and then go back to 11
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for the first time. You.
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Think a lot of things were spoiled.
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Has it? Would it stand up as a prequel?
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I think because it's none of what is.
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My memories of 12 are hazier than my memories of 13, but I
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don't think that they're predicated on the movie quite
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the same way as our last prequel.
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Less dots to connect, just yeah. Like, I think it's just like
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these guys doing something else. Gotcha.
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But you know they're all going to live.
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Yeah, it's true. It's true.
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You know that they were successful.
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They're going to get to the green place, but.
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How, but how you know, we want to know what the how.
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That's the key and this movie, make sure you get to know the
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how as it can be a little bit confusing, but.
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Yeah. And I think sometimes I think
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about the complexity of some of these heists in these movies
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where I think you're going to maybe make whatever the number
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is, let's say $100 million, but it's going to cost you about 40
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million to get all the things in place to deliver the payoff.
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You know you. Just got to get Ross.
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Skeller's dad, the Fungia. Elliott Gould.
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I believe that's. I believe that's him, Right.
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Yes. Elliott Gould.
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So if you guys that look sort of the same and I get them mixed
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up, but I can, I'll take that one to the bank.
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Yeah. Like I'm cracking on that.
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And he. Yeah.
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Speaking of taking him to the bank, he is in one of my
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favorite bank movies called The Silent Partner, Christopher
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Plummer, which I wish I could take off the shelf.
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What's stopping you? That's a good question.
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I just haven't. It's Curtis Hansen, directing,
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shot in Canada. The Eden Center.
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Elliot Gould, Christopher Plummer.
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Brilliant concept. It's a Christmas movie as well.
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Yeah. You know what?
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Maybe it'll come off. Maybe.
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The whole Made in Canada thing is that the whole.
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That's right. Canvas strong elbows up.
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Yeah, you have an aversion to Canadian movies, as we've
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established with last night. Hey.
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You know, does Mike Myers make a cameo?
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No, it was 76 I think pre pre Michael.
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It's also pre Michael Myers, still a couple years away.
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Now I was sort of joking about the prequel of it all just that
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one of those dumb thoughts that enter my brain but it is a
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remake of a movie I believe it was 1960 fell up if my well not
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my memory. Have I looked it up?
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Your memory of looking it up. Yes, which was just about 5
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minutes ago. Frank Sinatra?
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Yeah, the Rat Pack. Yeah, OK, don't have.
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I don't know. I'm not going to have a lot to
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bring to it because I haven't seen it.
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I knew it existed. Have you seen it or do you have
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any any input about? It, I love it.
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It's a little dry. It being 1960, I watched Ocean's
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11. I watched 4 for Texas, which is
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another sort of Rat Pack kind of movie.
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And then they did Robin and the Seven Hoods also in that same
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kind of vein of this OK, you know, kind of grand thing.
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I was really into Sinatra for a period of time.
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And so and I just like another one where it's just like what
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was super cool of 1960 was transposed 2001.
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Take the the hottest actors, best looking Sammy Davis.
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You got Dean Martin, you got the coolest guys in the world.
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Sorry to interrupt you Phil, but for those who don't know,
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including myself, the Rat Pack, please explain.
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Just a collection of stars, celebrities and singers
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ultimately. Telling on each other.
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Or no, no, they call them, I think the Rat Pack because they
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were sleeping their way around and I think they were, they were
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having a good time with their lives.
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So rascals more, Yeah. So a lot of a lot of drinking
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and presumably a lot of humping. I can get behind that all.
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Over. But yeah, they're just like some
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of, again, the most talented people.
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I mean, Joey Bishop, arguably, he's the Ringo, let's call it
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what it is, come on. But Dean Martin says Sammy Davis
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Junior and Frank Sinatra are three of the greatest voices,
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performers, personalities. You know, again, just these
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these larger than life vibes, not unlike they got vibes a
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Clooney, a pit and a demon just in that kind of vibe.
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Well, isn't. Frank a singer as well?
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Did he have a a few? Heads Oh yeah, he's a huge,
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huge, huge singer huge, huge yeah doing like New York, NY he
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was in Guys and Dolls and he was in he wanted me to just his
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whole career was singing ultimately.
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But he's also an actor nominated for Forget the Manchurian
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Candidate, which is another great.
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I know him as a singer. That's why I know.
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I know. New York.
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Yeah. Marty Crane.
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Big fan. Big fan.
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Try to write one for him actually.
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OK. Good episode.
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Phil, have you ever been to a parole hearing?
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I know you're a big fan of being on.
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Jury to get on jury duty. So I mean, it's not unheard of,
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but I was never blessed. Yeah, you're hanging around
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outside. Any hearings today anyway on?
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Parole, yeah. Thank you on this.
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Yeah. Can I trade my jury summons for
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a parole hearing? Anyone on the black market?
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Any 2 fers out there? Scalping tickets to a parole
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hearing would be kind of fun. Well, this scene opens.
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The movie opens, really, with Clooney in jail once again, like
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we mentioned, a familiar. We left him, basically he was on
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his way to jail, out of sight. He got caught doing something.
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I don't know. Yeah, yeah, he was a thief.
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He was a thief. Yeah, he's a liar and a thief,
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and he only lied about being a thief.
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That's true. That is true.
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That comes into play everyone. These are great lines to, like,
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in this parole hearing, I was in a dark place, Like, don't you
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know, like, nothing's ever really my fault.
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I was in, Yeah, poor tendencies or whatever that sort of term
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is. But he does say, yeah, she's not
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gonna leave me twice, right? Or she's not gonna leave me
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again. That mean?
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Yeah, come on. This is a great line.
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And it's just to me again, exudes a certain level of cool
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when he's just confident and calm and just saying like, well,
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she's not gonna do that again, so I'll probably be fine.
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And then, of course, out he goes.
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Out he goes to the world, he passes.
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And my gosh, this guy makes the most of his time.
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Immediately calls his PO parole officer.
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Yeah, as he don't know. And then immediately is meeting
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up with Bernie Mac. Yeah.
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This is like Atlantic City, which is basically one tier
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down, would you say from Vegas? Have you been to Atlantic City?
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No. Well, why haven't you?
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That appeals to me more than Vegas.
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Tell me why that's a bigger thing.
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No, it's got a. It's got a boardwalk.
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OK, yeah. Beaches.
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Yes. Vegas does not have beaches.
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Yeah, but the movie Beaches. Oh, absolutely.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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There you go. I don't know.
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I like to go like the one down. Like the poor man's, Yeah.
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Well, I mean, like I said before in a in a previous episode,
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never been to Wonderland, but I've been to Ontario Place.
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Yeah, you know what I mean? That's that's where that's where
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I am not the crowd's not so big, more manageable, OK.
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And it's like the name Atlantic City.
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So I that that appeals to me. Again, I don't think I would
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really enjoy myself if it's centered around gambling and
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what have you. Sure.
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Would you head to the Jersey Shore?
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Yeah, right. See some.
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I don't know, whoever the stars of the Jersey Shore were.
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Sookie. Maybe there was a Sookie
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involved. I guess all I know.
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Didn't watch. Didn't watch a lot of it.
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Johnny Beans. Maybe.
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Maybe I. Don't.
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Did not. Did not watch a lot of it.
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Never. Never.
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Which is funny. What I liked about this movie,
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actually in the first like 15 minutes of it, is Joshua
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Jackson. Oh yeah, the other guys, Sure.
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Topher, Grace, Holly Marie Combs.
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Yeah, you know them all. No, just Ollie Marie Combs.
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She was in Josh. Wheaton was one.
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Josh Wheaton, No. Definitely Topher Grace and
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definitely Holly Marie Combs. Those are the did.
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You guys were definitely recognizable, but all like back
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then were in their prime and heart throbs and popular and.
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I like and TV, that's your world, that's.
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Yeah, here we go. Munch, punch.
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Yum it, munching it up, buddy. Loving it.
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I wasn't a big fan of somebody's show, but I do like, I do like
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Topher Grace. Sure.
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Using traffic as well. So there you go.
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A little connective tissue as you love so much.
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Yeah, I thought it was cute, them just playing themselves.
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Yeah, and like, obnoxious versions of themselves, right?
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What am I? It's just chump change anyway,
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right? And they're like, come on.
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It's a great scene. I I was explaining to my wife
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like, hey, hey, they're all just playing themselves and she's
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like, OK. Yeah, whatever.
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That is a great scene for poker. It's a great scene.
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It's like a reminder that poker is a very specific skill and and
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so forth to play. I liked the vibe, as you're
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saying, kind of making it really funny and silly.
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What I like as well is the interplay between Clooney and
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Pitt in the way that they're immediately on the take, They're
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both know the score, and they're gonna like, take these guys
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down. Funny, I didn't pick up on that.
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I thought he was sincere and saying that he's, he's in too
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deep, you know. OK.
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But he was. He's bluffing.
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Sure. And I'm like, oh, yeah.
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OK. Because that seems like that's
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very impossible. Yeah.
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And my wife's like, I think they're working together there.
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Yeah. Oh, OK.
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Within minutes, like, I just like that they fell right into
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whatever that vibe was that they had had before.
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She had said that they had like bad eyes for each other in that
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quick moment. And I watched it the second
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time, like yeah, Yep. But my favorite part of that
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scene is Topher, though, all red and the look on pits face and
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then he's like high 5 and Josh Jacks.
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I think I'm like, yeah, these guys are idiots.
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Yeah, totally dumb. Yeah, what I find is kind of
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funny as well is there's two things.
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First is in the moment, and I only caught this years later,
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but in the moment when Pitt walks into the room to discover
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that Clooney's in there, Clooney is asking the question, did you
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find it difficult to transfer to movies?
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And Topher was like, not for me, man.
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And I thought, this is George Clooney, like the king of going
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from, yeah, Booker on Roseanne to to like, 100 different
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bullshit roles. The hospital ER for years, but
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had been bouncing around television for a long time.
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And now he's obviously it's one of the biggest movie stars in
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the world. So him to say that I just
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thought that's clever. And then alternatively, what I
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thought was really clever was at the end of that scene when Pitt
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and Clooney are walking out of the club.
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Nobody cares. Nobody cares.
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But Topher walks out autographs and they're getting swarmed.
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And it's like, there's just something kind of funny to me
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about, you know, I didn't quite pick up on that.
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That's that is actually clever. There's a lot of winks and nods
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to their lives, which I thought was really clever.
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Always room for a wink and a nod.
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Sometimes 2. No, Phil, I'm in sales.
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In sales and we have a bit of a pitch here, Yeah, as I look
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through some blueprints, Can you read those things?
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No. Have you tried?
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I'm colorblind so they just look like prints to me and that's the
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problem I always forget about that just prints.
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Yeah, that explains a lot when we're online gaming.
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I thought it was a pretty good sales pitch.
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And I like Pitt saying you rushed it.
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Yeah, that in particular was a scene in the trailer that I was
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like, I need to see this movie because he's delivering this
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line all earnesty can come up with because the house always
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wins. And you sit in the bed long
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enough and you're going to go unless that one time you bid it.
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And then he just like, sits in silence for just a beat.
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He goes, I rushed it felt like. I rushed it.
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And Pitt's like, no, no, you're fine.
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That relationship, that interplay is like, that's why
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I'm going to the movie. And the rest of the movie ended
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up being just as good for my for my taste.
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These are two guys I want to spend 2 hours with.
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Of course they got good chemistry.
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They've they've worked together since recently.
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Actually it's 12 and 13 of course, but they also in wolves.
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Wolves I feel. Like there's one even a couple
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years ago, but they must get along clearly, which is nice.
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We've talked before in different episodes about kind of
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vernacular, creating a language, creating rules the movie has to
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follow by this and that, but in particular vernacular in tone.
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The way that pit is hearing the pitch.
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Rusty for those Rusty. That's right.
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And the way that he is, he's like trying to assert how to do
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the job that that Clooney is pitching.
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And he talks about how well to do that, we're going to need a
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dozen people doing any number of cons.
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And then he kind of breaks it down to being, you know, they
18:01
need a Bowski, a Jim Brown, you know?
18:03
Who Jim Brown is. Yeah, of course, football.
18:05
Player in there? OK, just check in.
18:06
I know him from Mars Attacks, but he's also a football player.
18:10
Commonly known. That's right.
18:11
Yeah, a Miss Daisy, 2 Jethro's and a Leon Spinks.
18:15
And they don't explain why or what any of those things really
18:18
are. Dog day afternoon.
18:20
No, no, Leon is the boyfriend in Dog Day.
18:22
That's a good memory, Leon, you got.
18:25
I get a lot of R.E.M. I get a lot of R.E.M.
18:27
Sleep. Great memory.
18:29
But Leon Speaks is a boxer, OK. But the idea that the
18:32
relationship is tight enough and that the understanding is so
18:36
clear between them that you can say, hey, we need a couple of
18:39
jet throws and Miss Daisy into this and that.
18:41
And everyone just goes, yeah, OK, without any question.
18:44
I like that as a shorthand for that camaraderie and like, we're
18:49
in this together. And it happens a little later,
18:50
too, which I I just think it's a great way to put you in the
18:53
scene and the first step along the way.
18:55
They got to go see Ross Giller's dad, also known as Elliott
19:02
Gould, also known in this movie as Reuben.
19:04
What was Courtney Cox's name in that show?
19:07
It's a Rachel. No, Monica.
19:09
Monica. Monica Geller.
19:10
There you go. OK, so much for that REM sleep.
19:14
This guy, he's great. He is great.
19:17
He is great. I love his wardrobe, first and
19:20
foremost. Smoking the cigar, sitting there
19:23
with his robe wide open. Goddamn minds right away.
19:27
Yeah, he's a fun character. Doesn't play a huge role.
19:30
He's got him in the background for most of it.
19:32
Yeah, he's kind of funding the thing, it seems.
19:33
Yes, he's he's the man with the money, but they got to give him
19:36
a a reason to do it. And luckily he's not a fan of
19:40
Mr. Benedict, played by Andy Garcia.
19:43
Yep. Because he muscled him out of
19:44
the Basically, yeah. Left him out of a push, out of
19:47
the game of of a casino? Yeah, of a deal.
19:49
Now there'll be a demolishing coming up.
19:51
I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but a building will
19:53
come down. Funny scene we're going to talk
19:55
about for just a bit there. Obviously he doesn't mind
19:57
getting back at Benedict, so. See, here's because he's
20:00
shooting them down. Yeah, yeah, they're playing
20:02
them, Yeah. And then they get the.
20:04
What's the casinos? And this, again, is a testament
20:06
to their coolness because they go what was it?
20:08
What were we talking about? Yeah, they just play it to the
20:10
hilt, right. It's just the bingo hall.
20:12
That's right. No.
20:13
Yeah, the big one. Bellagio.
20:14
You know them all. Bellagio, MGM Grand and the.
20:17
Yeah, their garage. It's like the tenors and the
20:20
other. And the other one.
20:21
But what I like about that as well is, and I wonder how you
20:24
felt, because this is another testament to Soderbergh, sort
20:27
of. I felt fine.
20:28
Artistic flourishes were the three separate stories.
20:33
Yeah. Yeah, of the previous heists in
20:35
the in the movie because it kind of stops the movie.
20:37
These flashbacks, it's really just for style and humor.
20:40
Yes. How did you react to that?
20:41
Because it is a bit off the path of the movie?
20:44
No, you know, I liked the insertion of it, OK.
20:46
I like the idea of it, the execution of it, like it wasn't
20:50
amazing. I like, I did like the music
20:52
over top of the last one. That was nice, sure.
20:54
My thought was because I'm a thinker.
20:56
That's what people say about you.
20:59
Some do is you would never shoot an unarmed man now.
21:03
Oh, certainly not. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
21:04
But you can do that back in the. Day I think about if you're
21:07
remembering It's a Wonderful Life where Ernie Bert, I believe
21:11
is like when when George gets thrown out of the bar and just
21:14
running down the street and Bert's just like, yeah, fire
21:17
Ernie, yeah. Firing a couple of shots in the
21:19
middle of the street, like, yeah, like nothing, yeah.
21:22
And so I think, yeah, yeah. The interjection of that was, it
21:25
was a nice touch, yeah, overall. I thought it was pretty clever.
21:28
And, you know, since then, other directors like Adam McKay in
21:31
particular, has sort of done this, stop the movie, tell
21:33
another story and then come back to the movie to varying degrees
21:36
of success. I thought this worked.
21:38
OK. Yeah.
21:38
He ends the his sort of scenes too, like right before all of
21:42
that as they're trying to figure out which casinos.
21:44
He says, look, I owe you from the the thing with the guy at
21:48
the place and I'll never forget it.
21:50
It's just really cool. It's clever, it's funny, and it
21:53
kind of stands out to me and. Isn't he sending him some,
21:55
sending him some furniture or? Something I'll send you.
21:58
Just all of this really cool vibe between them.
22:00
You dig? Cool, I definitely did.
22:02
You're not, but you dig it. Well, I think that's why it's
22:04
aspirational. There you go, crew Cotton.
22:15
We have ourselves a crew call, crew call, Classic, crew call
22:19
Armageddon that reminded me of Phillip.
22:21
Yeah, actually now you mentioned that that's.
22:24
And I, I, I, I try not to compare the two apples and
22:26
oranges, but they're both fruits, so it's a minor
22:29
comparison here. Armageddon had a lot more
22:32
energy. It was bigger Michael Bay
22:35
movies, I think going to be bigger than the Steven
22:37
Soderbergh. Movie sparks, certainly.
22:39
Nonetheless this, you know, does the trick.
22:41
A little meet and greet with the 11:10.
22:44
I guess there's already 2 so. Well, they're piercing you
22:46
together and then eventually they get to the You think we
22:49
need one more, but but we'll get to.
22:50
That Well, yeah, we'll get to that because I was surprised.
22:54
I think Ramon Slash Frank, Yep, was the first one.
22:58
That's right. Yeah, we've got Affleck and
23:02
Scott Caan. James Caan.
23:04
Oh, the twins. The Twins.
23:05
Wait, that. Oh, I didn't know that.
23:07
Yeah. Well, that's nice.
23:08
Yeah. Tweeter.
23:09
I call him Varsity Blues. Oh, yeah.
23:11
Wide receiver. There you go.
23:13
I believe he's James Caan's son. OK, we've talked about in Enemy
23:18
of the State. Enemy of the state?
23:19
There you go. James Caan is not an enemy of
23:21
the state. James Caan isn't, but his son
23:22
is. Oh, Scott, Yeah, sorry.
23:24
Sure. Yes, elf is maybe what you were
23:26
thinking of. We're getting cons every few
23:28
months. We're getting a couple.
23:30
Big pros couple of con Affleck. You know, it's not, it's not
23:34
Ben, but at least it's it's an Affleck.
23:37
Dude, I saw this guy in something blah blah blah
23:39
Manhattan. Or some really sad movie.
23:42
Oh, yeah, yeah. Manchester by the sea, Man.
23:44
There it is. A nominal performance. 1 Oscar
23:47
for it. Rightfully so.
23:48
Who else is great in that is Michelle Williams.
23:49
Oh my God. Like melt your soul.
23:52
She is a gem. She's not hidden.
23:54
She's not hidden. She's.
23:55
Out there, she's out there. She's an incredible, incredible,
23:57
very good, very good, very good. Well, Speaking of Ashley
24:00
Jackson, you know there was a. There you go.
24:02
A little Dawson for you. You love that connected tissue,
24:06
Lord love you. But they're they're funny.
24:08
They're they're twins. I don't know if they're real
24:09
twins. Yeah, I don't know.
24:10
Probably they're not identical twins, but yeah, they got those
24:13
the the monster truck race that's happening.
24:15
And Affleck just plays that sad guy.
24:17
Like he just looks so pathetic. The tweeter's just like he's
24:21
laughing, amped up. Yeah, what a guy.
24:24
What a guy. What a guy.
24:24
And then we have, I believe. Livingston.
24:27
Livingston, yes. How's his nerves?
24:30
Yeah, little shot. I like him.
24:31
Yeah, he's great. He doesn't really have a big
24:33
part, but where he shows up, he delivers.
24:34
He's got a huge part to play in the movie, though.
24:37
He's integral. He's integral.
24:38
Speaking of Integral and Speaking of great, we've got Don
24:41
Cheadle. Don Cheadle from Out of Sight,
24:44
another collaboration with Steven Soderbergh.
24:46
Traffic. Traffic as well.
24:48
Yeah. We we like him.
24:49
Devil in a blue drag the guy is. Phenomenal.
24:51
This is not his real accent. No, OK, no.
24:55
Because he could be no. Could be, but it's not.
24:57
No great character basher. Yeah, explosive expert.
25:02
That's right. His introduction is great too.
25:04
When Brad kind of goes to get him right and we just like, hey,
25:07
get the. Yeah, I have.
25:08
I listen here. I have some questions about this
25:10
and hoping you can answer them. Finally.
25:12
You don't often answer my questions, but they said there
25:14
might be a problem getting Cheadle Basher because of
25:17
availability and I'm thinking because maybe he's in prison.
25:22
That's my thought. But then we go to the scene
25:25
where you're talking about and Pitts like getting him out of
25:28
the jam of, you know, he got caught stealing something.
25:31
So I thought I got all messed up to what he meant by
25:34
availability. And then we cut to that.
25:35
But that's obviously in the future.
25:38
But I got the impression that they're cutting back to the
25:39
past, but they're not because you know what?
25:43
I. Mean if the problem was
25:43
availability, they just circumvented it.
25:45
So the problem isn't a problem with availability, they just
25:48
kept it so that he isn't that he is available.
25:51
It's fair, yeah. It's a great scene though.
25:54
I mean, I don't know, I'm still confused.
25:56
That was like. Yeah, there is no answer I got
25:58
now that you mentioned like I couldn't define it or explain
26:00
it, but I. Think Nolan needs to work on
26:02
that part. And when they have that little
26:04
explosive to walk away, that's dangerous.
26:06
That looked like a big explosion.
26:08
There's like innocent cops around.
26:09
I didn't sure, I didn't like it, but I did remember that scene
26:12
from the first time watching it. Obviously it's a memorable
26:15
moment. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely
26:17
memorable. I really liked it.
26:19
We get the grease man. The grease man.
26:20
Got another problem right here. OK, let's hear it.
26:22
I. Don't have a lot of problems
26:23
with the movie, but Clooney's not impressed.
26:25
He's not impressed with it. He's in the acrobatic guy at
26:27
first, not at first, not at first, understandably so.
26:31
But then what the Grease man does to me isn't still that
26:34
impressive. So for him to change to like,
26:36
oh, this guy is not interesting, He's boring.
26:38
Who's next? Sure, on the list.
26:41
And then to be like wowed by just jumping from 1 bar to the
26:43
other. I thought, well I could do that.
26:46
I mean I could. Let me assure you that.
26:47
You cannot I, I. Think I I do better now.
26:50
What he does later is impressive.
26:52
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is like not even close
26:53
to that. So I don't know.
26:54
I don't know. Just a small, you know, Irk
26:56
yeah, that's fair. I think if you the take away
26:59
from that scene potential, you look at that move and you think
27:03
this kid's got potential. All right, you say so, buddy.
27:07
I'll let you have it. I'll let you have it.
27:09
And they're doing the count. They're summarizing the team.
27:12
Absolutely. Clooney in dead silence without
27:15
any feedback, watching the Acrobat, as it were.
27:19
He says we need one more. You think we need one more?
27:23
All right, let's get one more. Yeah, it's great.
27:25
Those two, like I said, it's just all you have to do is put a
27:27
camera on it and it's magic. Magic.
27:29
It's magic. Yeah, and who's the who's the
27:30
last guy? Last one they draft.
27:33
That's right, this is actually maybe up your.
27:35
Alley. That's why I was late today, by
27:37
the way, I was finishing up my final draft, by the way, this is
27:40
it. I did the last one.
27:41
I. Have heard this 100 times.
27:43
Our audience has heard it 100 times.
27:45
You'll appreciate this. In left field I got Altuve.
27:48
Oh my boy. Just for you got him in the
27:50
fifth round. He's 34.
27:51
But you have to have a couple guys with some wisdom on the
27:53
team. Am I still catching?
27:54
You're catching. I didn't draft you, though.
27:56
I got Travis Darnaud. You Starnaud.
27:59
I know you were gone. Sorry buddy.
28:02
Yeah, you're to be with an eye line.
28:04
Yeah, Yeah, you, I think you, you to go in the 32nd round.
28:06
Yeah, that's. Good for you, that's my sweet
28:08
spot. Yeah, I forgot Matt was in this
28:11
movie. Oh, really?
28:12
And what I like about Matt Damon, amongst many things, I
28:15
think I like him more than I lead on.
28:17
Sure. You don't take a lot of bent.
28:19
You don't take a lot of Damon off the off the shelf.
28:22
We had lots of opportunities. We did.
28:23
Ripley's believe It or not. Or yeah, that was me off my
28:26
shelf. No, it wasn't.
28:27
Check the tapes, buddy. That was mine.
28:29
That was mine and you know it. I will go back to it to prove it
28:32
if I need to, but much like Interstellar, not that I forget
28:35
that he's in it, but he just shows up a little bit later.
28:38
He's your kicker. He's already.
28:39
Going and he's just amped us up. Yeah, he's just that guy.
28:41
He's like that extra infielder, if you will.
28:43
That's like, oh, I got this guy late Giraffe, but he's good,
28:46
sure. And he makes your team that
28:48
much, Always delivers, Always delivers, generally speaking.
28:51
And he's he's gambled using rounders.
28:54
That's right. With Norton.
28:55
I haven't seen it. That's.
28:56
Going to come off the shelf a little bit.
28:57
Everything. A lot of things to say about.
28:59
That everything is going to come off the shelf at some point, but
29:02
it's good to have a board. Apparently he's the son of
29:04
somebody from Chicago, somebody name Pickpocket.
29:08
He is a pickpocket. He is a pickpocketer.
29:10
Have you ever been pickpocketed? No.
29:13
Yeah, I had an attempt in Istanbul.
29:15
They tried. They're big on that.
29:17
Yeah, my wife's backpack was open, but nothing was taken.
29:20
Luckily there's a pocket inside a pocket and that would really
29:22
suck. You know, now that I think about
29:24
it, my ex, and when we were in Paris, had her purse lifted.
29:28
It was like a wallet in a purse. And she had unzipped it for some
29:31
reason. And we had warned and had been
29:33
warned. Yeah, of course.
29:34
Yeah, 100 times. But until it really happens,
29:37
yeah. She's the reason there.
29:38
She's the ex. OK, doesn't listen.
29:40
That was the no oh, yeah, that did happen.
29:43
And I had, I was out on a date with another girl once and her
29:46
purse got stolen, but that was more of a we left the restaurant
29:50
and like, oh, wait. And then came back and it was
29:52
gone, of course. So that wasn't really an active
29:54
pickpocket or anything, but. Seizing an opportunity.
29:57
Exactly. I know I shouldn't have taken
29:59
that. I'm sorry.
30:01
With all these guys together, he put he put them as an ensemble.
30:05
It makes you think that they got some sort of group rate.
30:07
In the words of Mr. Geller, Ruben Geller.
30:13
Yeah, absolutely. We've got the crew.
30:15
Yeah. Now we're going to hash out the
30:18
plan. Of course, in this plan, it's a
30:20
biggie. It's a doozy, if you will.
30:22
It's a big job, but no one is committed.
30:25
Everyone at this point, walk away.
30:27
If you come and go, have some juice, have some food, get out.
30:30
I just like the vibe of this. There's not an urgency, but
30:33
there is a propulsion. Like it's still moving forward
30:36
without being so like, get in there.
30:38
We got to sort it out. We got, you know, whatever.
30:40
There's a couple of good propellers, sort of study pace.
30:43
There's two things I don't like about Pitt's character, though.
30:45
OK, the reference to the mothers was odd.
30:48
OK, I guess maybe I didn't quite understand his character and the
30:51
fact that he's so cool and so smart that he speaks Mandarin.
30:56
Like it's just, you know, he's like, I don't know, I don't
30:58
know. 2 Little. Well, that's an example of what
31:01
I was saying earlier about what I what I enjoyed was that much
31:04
like the Miss Daisies and the Leon Spinks is and such that
31:08
there's a vernacular that doesn't need explanation.
31:10
His approach to, to the Mandarin is just answering the questions
31:15
and reacting, right. So instead of explaining or or
31:18
translating or having a scene about it, he just asked the
31:21
question in Mandarin and gets the answer.
31:23
I like the fact that they don't make a meal out of that, so I
31:26
I'm on the opposite side of that spectrum, which is not uncommon.
31:29
No it is not, and I'm not even sure if that's Mandarin.
31:31
That's my ignorance, but I'm that would be my first guess.
31:33
Likely Orcanthony's. Who's to say?
31:35
Who's to say they are to? Say, but their ability to just
31:37
hear it and understand it and run with it I.
31:39
I. Kind of appreciate it.
31:40
Well, OK, fine, I wrote down installation.
31:45
Well, why did I do that filter? Well, they're doing the Recon
31:47
mission. There it is.
31:48
He's got his his clamp. He's trying to get a.
31:51
This is his oral ride. Yeah, we've got the twins with
31:54
the what I think is one of the great, great scenes with the
31:57
balloons. Oh yeah, Casey Affleck having
32:00
this. Great.
32:01
Yeah, nice hat. It's nice hat is like, I'm just
32:04
trying to deliver the balloons do.
32:06
You know any balloon boys A. Circus animal or something like
32:09
that. No I don't.
32:09
I'm not a balloon boy. No, not.
32:11
Do you know any? No, I'm looking.
32:13
You're looking. You need a balloon guy.
32:15
I need a balloon guy. Yeah, OK, Balloon boy, actually.
32:18
It's not any better, but yeah, the way Casey Affleck says
32:22
circus animals at the end of this exchange is something that
32:25
sticks out with me. Yeah, those guys do a lot.
32:26
Of different things in this movie, they're the.
32:29
Yeah, they're the a lot of baseballs, the greasers, yes,
32:32
couple of Jethro's. I would say they're maybe the
32:33
Jethro's of the team. I thought there were a couple of
32:35
Jim Browns. I.
32:37
Don't know, could be I? Didn't get it I guess.
32:41
They have to rebuild the vault is the trick.
32:43
That's that's where you need Ruben's money for sure.
32:45
That's this is the thing I was saying where like the the
32:48
extensive build that that would require.
32:51
It's an investment. You're yeah, you better make
32:53
this heist work because. Well, if you don't, you're dead
32:56
anyway. I suppose that's fair.
32:58
So that's fair risk reward. I don't think, and correct me if
33:10
I'm wrong, Phil, which happens periodically.
33:12
Have we done a Julia Roberts movie in our five years?
33:15
Together. Good question.
33:16
I don't know that we have. I don't off the top of my head.
33:19
Thinks. She's not an actor that I
33:20
particularly gravitate towards. No, but she's in like an Oscar
33:24
level female. Performer 100.
33:26
Percent and I'm thinking of our year end reviews and she's never
33:29
come up even as a as a as a runner up so I.
33:32
I don't know. I mean, she's a superstar, but I
33:34
don't know. I mean, she won the Oscar for
33:36
Erin Brockovich in the year, in this year, I think 2002. 1001
33:39
two thousand was a. Soderberg movie.
33:41
Yeah, he in traffic. He was kind of competing against
33:43
himself. Oh wow.
33:44
Tough break. Coincidentally, I saw two
33:46
Soderberg movies in the theater this year alone.
33:47
I believe it black. Bag and presents so he's still
33:52
churn them out. Good for him, good for him.
33:54
I think she's a little overrated.
33:56
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan and. I'm not necessarily saying
34:00
performance wise, like talent wise, I don't think she's just
34:02
good looking. Wow, yeah, it's not my type.
34:04
Just bringing it all the way down to more bassist.
34:07
More of a Salma Hayek kind of guy.
34:09
Yeah. Checks out who was in the movie
34:11
with George Clooney but that's we'll come up the show
34:14
eventually I'm. Looking at it right now, Phil
34:17
Dust still done right there it is.
34:20
But none nonetheless. She's introduced nothing we can
34:22
do about it. She's here, she's not going
34:24
anywhere. Great star presence, if not
34:25
anything. Else I mean, I'm she's fine in
34:27
this movie, don't get me wrong. She actually has some really
34:29
good lines we'll get to in a moment with.
34:31
Clooney some good on screen chemistry.
34:34
Absolutely. Yeah, we got Andy Garcia, the
34:37
sort of the antagonist. Yeah, you are definitely a big
34:40
Garcia fan. This is like our 4th Garcia
34:42
movie. I was thinking that just
34:43
released, and I bought the 4K of Things to Do in Dendra When
34:47
You're Dead available in the archives, of course.
34:49
Yeah. And I watched that movie and
34:51
there's a couple of shots where he's walking and I'm like, I
34:53
love that walk, man. This guy is great and I love
34:56
that movie Things to Do. But yeah, I'm definitely a
34:58
Garcia guy. This is a few.
35:00
This is another in the list, yeah, of Garcia performances
35:03
that I just love. He's got a swagger.
35:05
Yep, got a swagger, Terry Benedict Damon is trying to
35:08
watch him. Basically, he's trying to get a
35:10
sense as to this guy. Routinement is routine.
35:12
That's. That's Damon's job.
35:14
Correct and. He's doing a good job.
35:16
That's right. So he's end up kind of observing
35:18
who this woman is. He's not sure, but we got a
35:21
great scene between, as you're saying, the chemistry.
35:23
Julia and George talk to me about that scene.
35:25
Well, it's it's the scene where has the most memorable lines.
35:29
Yes, personally sure. I think if correct me if I'm
35:31
wrong and she approaches them, she's startled.
35:34
He he approaches her, she's at the table.
35:37
Waiting for Andy and she's a little startled, of course.
35:40
Understandably so, because they are they.
35:41
Last time he was in prison. Yeah, and he left for cigarettes
35:45
and never came back, and she doesn't smoke another.
35:49
Is he questionable? So obviously there's some
35:52
tension. Yep, she's a little upset about
35:54
the whole thing. Sure, he's a liar and a thief
35:56
and a thief. Not a good combination, but they
35:58
usually tend to go hand in hand. But they only lied about being a
36:02
thief. That's.
36:03
A That's a great line. But he, you know, everyone
36:06
deserves a second chance. That's how the saying goes.
36:09
He's paid his debt to society. Funny, I never got my check.
36:13
Great line, phenomenal line, and she delivers it well.
36:16
That's why she wins. That's why she wins Oscars.
36:19
Yeah, lines like that. The other great line is Clooney
36:22
saying because she's with Benedict.
36:24
Let's get that out there. They're in a relationship.
36:26
That's right, a situation ship, if you will.
36:29
Does he make you laugh? What did she say?
36:31
He doesn't make me cry. That's good.
36:34
Brilliant line. And I feel like, wow, I've
36:36
probably made a lot of women cry.
36:37
I made a lot of women laugh. A funny guy.
36:39
Too, I have to tell you, I. Don't know what I know what the
36:41
ratio is though. I don't know if I'm ahead of the
36:43
game or I'm sure behind or even Steven.
36:46
I don't know. Yeah, the idea of laughter being
36:48
a part of a relationship is pretty huge.
36:50
In the absence of that, it's painful.
36:52
Very painful, very painful. But yeah, great, great couple
36:55
lines. It gives the sense of those
36:56
relationships being long lasting and that is not easy to do in
37:01
dealing with chemistry. And I find the same thing with
37:02
he and Pitt in this movie, where this is a relationship that
37:05
existed before the frame one and will continue after the end of
37:09
the movie. And why the sequels become
37:11
interesting or why Wolfs becomes a thing.
37:14
Clooney and Julia made a movie recently.
37:16
Returned to the paradise or something.
37:18
Was she in the American? No.
37:19
No, OK. My mistake, but.
37:22
That kind of chemistry is you can well.
37:24
Put a price tag on chemistry helps cover up the fact that we
37:28
don't have a lot of back story. No, you don't need it.
37:30
Well, because of the chemistry. Exactly.
37:31
That's what I'm saying. A couple of lines like that,
37:33
right? You went out, you disappeared,
37:35
and now you're. Back that's that's the story,
37:37
yeah. Monet Manet, Zippy, Zippy Day
37:39
day. You know, the two painters, one
37:41
that's syphilis. Apparently you don't want that.
37:44
I guess it's treatable now maybe, but back then it was a it
37:47
was a bit of an issue. Yeah, we thought measles was
37:49
treatable too, but well. You know, turns out one of the
37:52
greats, one of the classics, is back.
37:54
Yeah. There's a scene coming up where
37:57
Damon is sort of being tasked with watching Clooney, correct.
38:01
And there's a shot that reminds me a lot of Strangers on a
38:04
Train, a great Hitchcock movie, which will eventually come off
38:07
the shelf. Yes, of course, you know, sooner
38:09
or later. But there's a a sequence in that
38:11
that we'll we'll talk about, but.
38:13
This is very, very decent. Where Clooney is looking
38:16
straight at Benedict and Damon is looking straight at Clooney
38:20
and everybody else. Is looking, yeah.
38:22
Turns around to look at, of course, the explosion of the
38:25
demolition of the the Sands or whatever hotel that was.
38:28
Yeah, yeah. And we've got Basher.
38:31
Talk to me Basher. This is just really funny.
38:34
This movie tries to be funny a couple times.
38:37
This is funny. This is just naturally funny.
38:39
He's watching it on TV. Yeah.
38:41
And it's happening right behind him, and he's got this giant
38:44
window in his hotel. And yeah, anyway, it's a very
38:48
short scene, but I think it's just a great opportunity to have
38:51
a little humor in this movie. This movie needs to be a little
38:55
bit funny because a movie with this kind of chemistry, it's
38:58
going to have some moments like that loosen up a little bit.
39:01
I found a movie pretty loose and pretty funny throughout, but
39:04
they're this is like clearly a comedic moment, whereas the rest
39:06
of it is more kind of charm. And yeah, right.
39:09
And that goes a long way. But this is definitely like a
39:11
joke, which I think is kind of funny.
39:13
Now I I prefer the the swirl but basher.
39:17
Prefers the pinch, sorry knuckle involved.
39:23
I appreciate you getting that reference one of the.
39:26
Few. One of the few I will.
39:29
But there's a bit of an issue that was caused actually by said
39:33
demolition, because Bashor is the explosives expert.
39:38
He's that's his job. Basically, they find out that
39:41
they did what he was going to do, so they did it.
39:43
Before that they were gonna do it.
39:45
So now they've caught on. So basically they had a way in.
39:47
Yeah. And now they're.
39:48
Gonna fix this and. Now they're gonna fix the way
39:50
in, Yeah, and that's gonna cause some complications and some
39:53
problems. Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.
39:55
But it's. An opportunity for the movie, in
39:59
my view to for the first time and really the only time.
40:02
And it's not for very long, but I find myself bored.
40:05
I think this sequence. Where they're getting in the van
40:10
and they're going to get the chemical from this building.
40:13
Damon chases after him. He's thinking the twins were
40:15
bickering. Again and getting the the dog
40:18
kind of chasing him and just they're driving away.
40:20
Then they have to back up to get like all of that sequence.
40:23
It's not long. It's maybe 10 minutes.
40:24
But I, I think most of that, if not all of it could be excised.
40:27
And it's only gotten worse every time I watch this movie.
40:30
Like a less and less. I like it less and less.
40:32
It takes me more and more off. Glad to hear it.
40:36
That you didn't enjoy it brings me pleasure.
40:37
That when you don't enjoy things.
40:40
I agree and it seems like a lot to do just to hurt the hand of
40:44
the grease man. That's all it's for basically.
40:47
And to create a little tension between Damon and Clooney.
40:50
That is true. That is true.
40:52
It's a lot just to do. That that's the thing.
40:54
I just think it drags. I think it's, it's not really
40:56
propelling the story forward. It's not that interesting.
40:59
It's I don't think shot particularly.
41:00
It's just it's everything that is wrong with the movie exist to
41:04
me in this 10 minutes and after that I think it's back on the
41:07
rails because we get the blow up, if you will, between Rusty
41:11
and and Danny Ocean, right, you're out.
41:13
You can't be trusted. You put test Julius character
41:16
ahead of us. That's a problem no longer
41:18
right. So he's on the women.
41:20
Cloud everything that's from Pearl Harbor, buddy.
41:22
Sure. Cloud the mind.
41:24
If you think about rocky women, weaken legs as well.
41:27
There you go. So it might be some truth to it.
41:36
We have a Mr. Megorium moment here.
41:39
I don't know if you picked up on it.
41:40
It's a little obscure. Please tell him.
41:42
I'm going to throw it to you, though, because now Damon's the
41:44
the Clooney role in this. He's got a kind of sub in yes,
41:48
so so Pitts giving kind of a rundown like if you're lying,
41:52
don't look up. Yeah, like do these things.
41:54
You got all these tips and then he said under no circumstances
41:58
and then he's pulled away and he's left hanging.
42:00
Damon's like what under what don't do you know it's.
42:02
Just that's right. That is like Magorium.
42:04
I I didn't pick up on that at the moment, but that is a
42:06
Magorium phone call moment. REM sleep, buddy.
42:08
Under any circumstances, don't. And then that's it.
42:12
That's great. Yeah.
42:13
I like that scene, though. You have to be present without
42:15
being obvious. You have to be ambivalent
42:16
without being caring. You have to.
42:18
He does that and like be funny without being funny and then he
42:22
has that line which. Were under no circumstances
42:24
should you that's it. I love it and I think that Damon
42:30
now his his opportunity. This is showcase yeah because up
42:33
until now he hasn't really had he's been a side player much
42:36
like his career. This is really young like he's
42:38
true. I mean, this early in five
42:39
years, four years after goodwill.
42:41
Goodwill, right? Like so it's a couple years
42:44
after Talented Ripley. So he's definitely on the
42:47
opposite. He hasn't gone out on his own
42:48
yet but hasn't really a supporting guy until.
42:51
Yeah. And if you look at it through 12
42:53
and 13, he becomes a larger part of the ensemble, in part because
42:57
he becomes just a bigger star. Yeah, which is kind of
43:00
interesting, just the trajectory of that.
43:02
I like him. Yeah, I think he's great.
43:03
I think he's great as the gaming commissioner.
43:05
He kind of shows up. He's kind of rightfully nerdy.
43:07
Yeah, he's good to look for him. And they're trying to bust Ramon
43:10
Frank. And this is a great, great scene
43:13
where you could tell he's he's frustrating Garcia.
43:16
Everything has to happen like, perfectly, you know, like the
43:18
right. Yeah.
43:19
These movies because exactly, it's like 1/2 fraction off.
43:22
It's the whole thing falls apart in the movies.
43:23
Bullshit. Yeah, all movies we've ever
43:25
talked about. You kind of have to buy into it
43:28
because plausibility isn't its strong suit if you're telling a
43:31
story this detailed. Yeah, it did sneak into my my
43:34
conscious a couple of times where the stars need to align so
43:38
many times, but I I was able to defend it off.
43:41
It's kind of the. Fun of it sometimes too, I
43:43
think, you know, if you let yourself enjoy it, there are
43:46
moments where you're just like, God, that the intricacy of that
43:49
is, is the fun part, rather than that's bullshit, that wouldn't
43:52
happen, right? It's like a fine line between
43:54
engaging with it and then being, yeah, dismissed by it, you know?
43:58
In terms of my my wife, she says don't be negative.
44:00
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good advice.
44:02
Yeah, it is. Give it a try.
44:03
Now just negative just for fun. Now.
44:06
Now you can just poke it. Right.
44:07
Yeah, easy peasy. You're like laughing on the
44:09
inside. I love the stuff with Ramon.
44:11
I love the way that he gets challenged for being racist and
44:15
Damon's delivery of horrible, horrible, you know, to say it
44:19
just that Interplay I thought was really.
44:21
Good. Yeah, Damon plays that character
44:23
perfectly. Yes.
44:24
Well, called him a colored person.
44:26
Yeah. Yeah.
44:28
It's a good, good interaction with them.
44:30
One of the names we haven't mentioned, of course, is Carl
44:32
Reiner playing Saul. Yeah, He's got a great line.
44:36
When Pitt goes to pick him up, he says, I saw you before you
44:38
even woke up to. Yeah.
44:39
Like that's a that was that. I do like that line.
44:41
It's a good line. He gets to wear silk, yes.
44:44
What's your silk inventory like? Well, we talked about this.
44:47
Before I think we did, didn't we?
44:48
Yeah, Underwear. Maybe a monk episode you
44:51
remember farting through silk? Oh, yes, yes.
44:53
Classic line that will stand the test of time no doubt.
44:56
Tell the film buddy. Hell of a film, but I can see
45:01
where seen like quite earlier where Clooney isn't quite
45:04
confident and saw mainly he's getting older.
45:07
Maybe he's lost his touch and he he set some straight pretty
45:10
quick, but I get the impression through trying to practice his
45:15
accent. But then he gets it.
45:16
Then he's like, now he's like locked in.
45:18
Totally. But we're at the point where I
45:20
believe he needs to fake. A heart attack.
45:23
That's right. I think he's faking.
45:24
Well, we find out he's faking, right?
45:26
But it doesn't look like that because again, he's ahead of us
45:28
because they've established that he might not be up to it.
45:31
He's not eating a lot of his vitamins.
45:33
And then we're watching this movie, we're like, Oh my God,
45:35
God, he's blowing it. And it plays out until.
45:38
We need tension. We got to call a doctor.
45:40
Who's the doctor? It's.
45:42
Brad Penta. That's of course that nice look.
45:45
Nice wig. Yeah, Wig and I think a mustache
45:47
maybe. I don't know, I can't remember,
45:48
but it glasses glasses. And he's like, we've lost them,
45:51
right? Just.
45:52
Great, Great stuff. Yeah, everything's happening
45:54
according to plan for the most part.
45:56
That's right. There's that little briefcase on
45:59
top of grease, man. Oh, yeah, Because he's inside
46:01
now. That's right.
46:02
He's got 30 minutes to breathe in that little box.
46:05
Yep. Just so you know, I don't sure
46:07
if you're aware of that. 30 minutes on the clock.
46:09
Absolutely. You know this movie does.
46:11
It has to, right? It's the little things to create
46:13
the tension. These things can't go
46:14
completely. Smooth.
46:15
Yeah, that's the thing. It's it's built on that tension.
46:18
Even if we all know like a prequel, like we all know it's
46:20
going to work out. It's how it works out.
46:22
That's the fun part. Gotta have some hiccups.
46:24
And where those opportunities happen and don't happen, I think
46:27
is what sells it. Speaking of hiccups, when's the
46:29
last time you've had hiccups? Just yesterday.
46:31
Really. Yeah, I don't think I've had
46:32
hiccups, knock on wood. Wow for like.
46:35
You. Years.
46:36
Wow. Yeah, I just the other day as I
46:38
was departing the office, I was like, I let a loud one out.
46:41
I couldn't help it. And it was.
46:43
Was it A1 and done? Or Oh yeah.
46:44
Oh well, that's often just. AI don't really.
46:47
Oh, I have a one and. Done.
46:47
There's like a one I'm. Talking like 10 minutes it.
46:49
Was one. Oh no, certainly never like
46:51
that. Because I think they're on the
46:52
way out. I think whatever we're doing to
46:54
ourselves, I think hiccups are phased out.
46:56
I think they're phasing out. All right, interesting.
46:58
And with the COVID the rest. Of us are, you know, everything
47:00
else is dying and depleted. We've solved the hiccup.
47:03
We lose measles, but we gain hiccups.
47:05
Perfect. Can't win more, buddy.
47:08
Now the hand comes into play. Now with Greasepan.
47:12
The big payoff. Yeah, that's right.
47:13
The big payoff. It's amazing.
47:15
They're about to blow the door. Yeah.
47:17
Clooney and what's his face? Damon Damon down the tunnel.
47:21
Now we've revealed that Clooney was in on it the whole time.
47:24
Was never. Out.
47:25
He's got somebody pretending to beat him up.
47:26
That's right. He knows everybody.
47:28
Yeah, yeah, they're all worked. Out he's stuck by the door, a
47:31
grease man is and they're trying to, you know, press the The
47:34
detonator. Yep.
47:35
And it's it's not, it's not working.
47:37
That's right. Check the batteries slapping
47:39
around. Yeah.
47:41
It's kind of funny. Yeah, Yeah.
47:42
It's just, I think it's just another one of those.
47:44
I don't think it's really a great joke.
47:46
Yeah, but it's. It's it's covering up the
47:48
contrivance of it with a, with a funny moment.
47:50
Yeah. And.
47:51
It's a bit of a contrivance on a contrivance really, because
47:53
you're like, of course. Contrivance squared.
47:55
He's the guy's gonna have a problem.
47:57
We've established also the, you know, every whatever could go
48:01
wrong is going wrong kind of stuff.
48:04
I find it effective. But yeah, it's it's not a yeah,
48:07
hilarious. It's just like, oh, here's the
48:08
payoff. It's effective, just like the
48:11
explosive. So they've blown it up.
48:12
Luckily, Greasepan was able to get cover.
48:15
That's right, And they're in. They're in.
48:17
They're in. And they end up doing the thing
48:20
and. And they're doing the thing.
48:22
They're doing the things. And Garcia's got one of the
48:25
great lines. Congratulations.
48:27
You're a dead man. Yeah.
48:28
That's not very nice thing to say, but we've they've alluded
48:31
to this guy being a bad guy, almost like somebody who would
48:33
who would buckwit you. Yeah, almost.
48:35
What I, I find really funny is that he's being menacing.
48:38
Yes, This is a monologue now, right?
48:40
I have two words for, you know, run and hide somewhere where
48:43
you're shitting, somewhere where you're doing all this sort of
48:45
stuff. And he's like, hello?
48:48
Are you there? Like Pitt just totally drops the
48:50
phone like it means nothing. So I kind of like the
48:52
contradiction in that. It made me smile.
48:55
That's a fun scene. Yeah, yeah.
48:57
They've got the kind of cut that out with the the van, right,
49:01
Because we're trying to say that we've already robbed you and
49:03
we're going to take half your money and the other half is in
49:06
the van. I thought that was.
49:07
Right out the van stuff is another.
49:09
It's the other part of the movie that I'm like, I don't really
49:11
care about the van. The selfless driver driving out
49:14
with the coupons in the back. Another another payout everyone
49:17
out like yeah, you. Know but the remote control with
49:19
Casey Affleck this is just all like yeah set up some payouts.
49:22
So I don't, I doesn't bother me, but it's not my favorite kind of
49:25
moment. I find at the end of the movie
49:26
things are ramping to a certain thing that this deviation, it's
49:29
a little like I'm ready to get get to the sort of big payoff.
49:33
Yeah. And I find this is a slight
49:34
deviation that takes me a little bit out of the.
49:36
I'm sorry to hear. Just a brief little.
49:37
Yeah, Well, come on back, Come on back.
49:41
And then we kind of go into the montage.
49:43
Sort of what happened? Yeah, like check the tape and
49:46
look at the things and check Bellagio.
49:48
Is it on the yeah, the ground, right.
49:50
We've been duped. Yeah, it ties up pretty well how
49:52
they pulled it off, essentially. Yeah, and that's good.
49:55
These movies are about that. Yeah.
49:56
The same writer directed Matchstick Men a couple years
49:59
after this. Not sure if you know that one,
50:01
but another con movie with Sam Rockwell and Nicholas Cage.
50:03
Okay. Directed by Ridley Scott.
50:05
Okay, I saw that movie theater as well.
50:07
I don't think as good as this. Person wait, is it not coming
50:10
off the show it's. Good off the shelf Let's.
50:12
All right, let's. Be clear, check in.
50:15
But yeah, anyway, so Garcia knows Denny's involved, so he
50:20
has to go to the goes to the to the office.
50:23
Yeah, no windows in here. And he goes and he finds Danny
50:25
getting beat up. That worked out really well.
50:28
Timing. Is impeccable.
50:29
That was yeah. You just got a yeah, OK, got a
50:32
knack. He's got a knack.
50:33
But I mean, played the dialogue and how he's coming on as as I
50:37
don't know, like what happened? What are you talking about?
50:39
What? Are you talking about right?
50:40
Yeah. Plays exhausted.
50:41
He plays all those things very well, yeah.
50:43
I think the highlight of that scene is when he thinks he's in
50:46
on it, right? But then he says, well, if you
50:49
give up testing, I will, you know, I know a guy.
50:52
Yeah. And then in his response, like
50:54
he he acts like he doesn't know what happening, but I I can find
50:57
out what happened. That's right.
50:58
And he plays that really well where I can buy into the fact
51:01
that, OK, you maybe you weren't in on it.
51:03
And I'm thinking from a Garcia's point of view, like, OK, well,
51:05
maybe he wasn't in on it. Yeah, but it's the closest I can
51:07
get because I trust that my guy is beating the crap out of this
51:10
guy now for two hours or an hour, if not your guy by that
51:13
whole scene. And I also enjoy how fast it he
51:17
was willing to dump test. Yeah, that hurts.
51:19
And she's watching it because someone's always watching it's.
51:22
Always watching in your hotels nether payouts and payouts buddy
51:25
that's screenwriter 101 yeah definitely.
51:27
So I really. Like that Soderbergh hitting all
51:30
the payouts knows what's up. And we get what it ultimately my
51:33
favorite scene in the movie. Oh.
51:34
It's this late. Yeah, wow.
51:36
I like a lot of this movies we already established, but the the
51:39
closing moments at the Bellagio fountains.
51:42
You like that? As the sort of beautiful music
51:44
is playing, I. Figured you'd like.
51:45
That's a Phil scene. It's a place I've been often
51:48
staring at those fountains. So I said to my wife, like, this
51:50
is a Phil scene, by the way. She's like, OK, whatever.
51:53
I love it. I love the score, I love the
51:56
moment, I like how they all, at their own pace, show up at the
51:59
fountain. And their own pace.
52:01
And their own pace, they leave to get eleven faces in a shot.
52:05
And he's, you know, Soderbergh can do it.
52:07
He's fantastic. And then the fountains itself,
52:10
it's just a really beautiful, as I said, a guy that loves to
52:12
Vegas and loves going to Vegas doesn't make me want to gamble
52:15
necessarily, but it does make me want to stand in front of that
52:17
fountain and absorb the kind of beauty of the majesty of of
52:21
those performances. Then go gamble.
52:23
And then gamble, of course. So I'm going to gamble, let's be
52:25
clear. But it drives us to stand at the
52:27
fountain and watch that happen more so than it is to sit down
52:30
at a blackjack. Table.
52:30
It was ranked the 7th best fountain in the world.
52:34
Fun fact. Fun fact, you sort of mentioned
52:42
the score. Yeah, but you never really
52:43
talked about it. That's right.
52:44
We didn't talk about the music. Let me tell you, it suits the
52:46
movie. It's fine.
52:47
But after the third time watching the movie, it started
52:50
to get a little bit on my nerve. There's like a one hit pony, a
52:54
lot of it. Sure, sure.
52:55
I'm like, OK, I've heard enough. Yeah, that's fair.
52:58
I like to use the little less conversation.
52:59
That's the Elvis song that they used in Fred Claus.
53:03
Yeah. Came out a couple years after
53:04
this. So this was the sort of starting
53:05
point of that. Yeah.
53:06
But yeah, the score itself, this is not even a score piece.
53:09
I think it's just an, it's a classical piece of music that
53:12
they play over it. It's.
53:13
I don't think it's written specifically for the Orner.
53:16
Not a Howard. No, certainly not a Williams.
53:18
Certainly. Not we all know it's not a
53:20
Zimmerd. We all need to say it.
53:23
Yeah. But yeah, I just, I think it's
53:25
really beautiful and it's a nice culmination because you really
53:27
get a sense that, again, this was a team I did anticipate, but
53:31
I didn't know that there would be a sequel.
53:32
Right. So this is your your pay off of
53:35
the whole thing. I thought that's a nice way to
53:38
kind of button the movie. And then we go back to prison 3
53:42
to 6, three to six, because test runs out.
53:45
Basically tests and says, like, you're my husband.
53:46
That's my husband. She turned around pretty quick
53:49
on that. Yeah, whatever.
53:50
Well, when you get she's clearly a serial monogamist, you know
53:53
she's needy. We don't really know much about
53:55
her. She's needy, is what we know all
53:57
right? She can't be single.
53:59
Apparently not. Right, jumps right from Danny to
54:01
to Benedict. Yeah, Benedict says.
54:04
I'll trade this money woman for cash.
54:06
Yeah. That's a lot of cash, though.
54:08
Right, back to Danny. I'd be flattered to say if I was
54:10
worth 80 million. Sure.
54:12
I mean, yeah, I'm. My wife's like, you're probably
54:14
100,000 tops, you know? That's how much I'm worth.
54:16
That's a. That's a, that's a big yeah,
54:18
core in the paperwork. Yeah, yeah.
54:21
Life insurance policy, yeah. But she flips rather easily.
54:24
I'm I'm OK with that. I like Pitts line.
54:27
Hope you were the groom. Yes, you know.
54:29
Yeah, that's. Cute.
54:30
It is cute. And that's it.
54:32
They've Pitts back to pick him up.
54:34
Kind of a full circle moment. Yeah, they gotta find him a man.
54:36
He's got to find him a woman. Yeah, sure.
54:39
A mother even. We've got we've got Tess in the
54:43
backseat and they just drive off and sure enough, like Andy
54:47
Garcia said, they're being tabled.
54:48
I do like Clooney, one of his last lines says, because he's
54:51
got, I think Pitt says I have your belongings in the car and
54:54
he looks in and like, I don't think that's mine necessarily
54:56
referring to Tess. Tess.
54:58
Yeah, I think that's cute. Sure.
55:00
Modern, modern man. Yeah.
55:02
Women aren't possessions. Heavens, no.
55:04
Well, that's it, David. It's.
55:07
Come here Phil, give me your final.
55:08
Thought you're gonna jump in. OK, well, I have to tell you, I
55:10
love the movie. I thought you might.
55:12
It's a it's a it's a rare case of coming off your shelf, but
55:15
it's also on mine. 4K dual 1112 and 13.
55:21
It's incredibly watchable. I don't see it a lot.
55:23
It's been a while since I've watched it, but every time I do,
55:25
I'm reminded it's watchable, but I don't watch it.
55:27
I haven't watched it in a while, but every time I do, I'm
55:30
reminded of how it just goes along in a great clip.
55:34
Performances are just right on point, nothing really special I
55:38
think about the city we live in and it shows up often in the
55:41
great places to live in the country because here, OK, it
55:45
ranks kind of like 8 at everything.
55:48
Whereas other cities like Vancouver will be beauty 10.
55:52
But affordability 3 got you right.
55:54
And so there's big swings across the the country, whereas here
55:58
it's like solid, we've got water, we've got this, we've got
56:02
that, it's this. It's got to have every ability
56:03
as well. You've got to have power.
56:04
You got to have pitching and have fielding and have speed.
56:06
But that's right. You know, I know.
56:08
So by the time you put it all together, you're like, oh, wait,
56:09
this is actually a great place. And this movie is kind of one of
56:12
those where nothing is great, nothing is exceptional, but
56:15
everything delivers above its weight, I think.
56:18
And so by the end of it, I'm like, fuck, I love this movie.
56:20
And that's really at the end of the day, my take away is like,
56:22
God, I still love this movie. 20 years.
56:25
Later, But the question is, would you recommend it?
56:26
100 absolutely my gift to you, Phil.
56:29
I'll keep keep on giving. Maybe we'll get the other two
56:32
this year. Perhaps you know it's early.
56:34
Sure. It's only half.
56:35
It's May. I mean, it's May.
56:37
LA King's rather playoffs now. Yes, yes, Listen to a couple
56:40
episodes ago and it was full of hope and dreams.
56:43
Yeah. And kind of like this movie, to
56:45
me is I feel like is a little bit overrated.
56:48
OK, like the kings? Like the Kings?
56:49
Didn't quite have enough depth. Yeah, I don't know that this is
56:52
a movie that you need depth. No, you don't need it.
56:54
I I guess I wanted to. I was in the movie.
56:57
You do be clear about that. Ironically, there's a deep
56:58
bench, very, very deep, deep bench.
57:01
Not a lot of character growth or or building.
57:03
And then I understand that's not what this movie is about.
57:06
So let's let's be clear. I enjoyed the film, OK, but I
57:10
didn't enjoy as much as you. I don't think the scorn IMED is
57:13
quite accurate. What is it?
57:15
High dates. 7.7 OK, I give it a 7.1 yeah, that's. .6 Points
57:21
that's that's your big, that's your big push back, that's your
57:24
big push back. I don't think this movie is as
57:27
good as that score. I'm going to take it down .6.
57:30
I think I probably would have enjoyed it more if I had watched
57:34
it maybe 15 years ago. I think the coolness is not as
57:38
cool, yeah, a little bit. But I don't like to to knock
57:41
that again. So I'm just knocking .6 for that
57:44
for that reason. But I saw a movie and I would
57:47
say I'm I'm looking forward to the next two.
57:49
There is like a, a, a space for this type of movie, the heist
57:53
movie because there is like montage availability big time
57:58
deep bench like like you said. So how is it?
58:00
Done. How are they going to get out of
58:01
this one? Yeah.
58:02
So there is that attraction to these type of movies and and
58:05
some obviously do it better than others.
58:06
I think this one for me is just right down the middle of the
58:08
road when it comes to those type of films, but happy to bring it
58:11
off my shelf. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
58:12
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58:14
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