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Dynastic - Chuck Todd & J.A. Adande interview legendary Dodgers announcer Jaime Jarrin · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the second episode of Dynastic, the podcast where
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  Speaker 1: we take a deep dive into the histories of iconic
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  Speaker 1: professional and college sports teams.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Chuck Todd.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm Jayadande, and if you're joining us for the
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  Speaker 3: first time, here's how this works. Once a month, we
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  Speaker 3: bring a long form episode exploring the full story of
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  Speaker 3: a team, and then two weeks later we'll follow it
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  Speaker 3: up with an interview with a key figure from that history.
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  Speaker 3: On our debut episode, we told the story of the
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles Dodgers, nay, the Brooklyn Dodgers, franchise defined by
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  Speaker 3: transformation and impact, from Jackie Robinson breaking baseball's color barrier,
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  Speaker 3: to the move West, to Fernando Mania and beyond. Today
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  Speaker 3: we'll talk to Jim herein the Spanish voice of the
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  Speaker 3: Dodgers for sixty four years. We'll answer audience questions for
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  Speaker 3: our first episodes, and we have a special bonus a
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  Speaker 3: twenty twelve interview I did with Vin Scully about the Dodgers'
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  Speaker 3: last day in Brooklyn and.
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  Speaker 1: Jay I are going to stink in our opinions on
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  Speaker 1: some of the greatest Dodger games of all time. But Jay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question. In nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 1: there was this columnist for the La Times who wrote
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  Speaker 1: the following, this is going to sound sacrilegious. I hit
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  Speaker 1: the mute button on Vin Scully recently. Nothing against Vin,
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  Speaker 1: but to listen to Scully and only Scully is to
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  Speaker 1: miss out on another special broadcaster. There's another hall of
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  Speaker 1: famer calling every Dodger game. Jimi Harren, you have any
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  Speaker 1: idea who wrote that column there.
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  Speaker 3: Mister don that would be me in my early days
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  Speaker 3: as a La Times sports columnist. It was exactly that
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  Speaker 3: this notion of there's this this voice that millions of
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  Speaker 3: Dodger fans listen to. That's their connection to the Dodgers,
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  Speaker 3: and a hall of famer in his own right. And
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  Speaker 3: there are also millions of Dodgers fans and LA residents,
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  Speaker 3: myself included, who hadn't heard them. And I just was curious,
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  Speaker 3: what would be like my Spanish was I can speak when.
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  Speaker 4: You know I grow up.
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  Speaker 1: You grew up in l I grew up in Miami.
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  Speaker 1: We used to call it Spanglish. Yeah in Miami, what
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  Speaker 1: did you call it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Be Spanish, my little Espanol, right, Uh, but I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't do enough, so I'd said, you know, and I'll
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  Speaker 3: watch the game and I'll listen to Haimi Heriven's broadcast
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  Speaker 3: of it, and I just wanted to write what that
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  Speaker 3: experience was like. And his voice, as you'll hear, is
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  Speaker 3: just so smooth, and he spoke nice and slowly, so
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  Speaker 3: it helped someone like me understand it. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: the words that I didn't understand just sounded so good
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  Speaker 3: and so cool and so smooth that it was just
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  Speaker 3: a thoroughly enjoyable experience. And Imy is so nice. So
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  Speaker 3: ever since then, when I seen at the press box
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  Speaker 3: at Dodger Stadium, he was just so appreciative. And so
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I gained a friend from writing that
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  Speaker 3: column as well. So it'll be great to catch up.
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  Speaker 3: And it's great to catch up with him today as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's an extraordinary story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's sixty four years. As he pointed
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  Speaker 3: out to us, he's the longest tenured person to work
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  Speaker 3: for the Dodgers because Ben was there sixty seven and
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  Speaker 3: I mean, even though he retired a few years ago,
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  Speaker 3: he's still technically employed by the Dodgers, so that gives
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  Speaker 3: him sixty eight seasons with the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my only question was whether technically Kofax was still
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  Speaker 1: an employee of the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 2: That's the only quo.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he is or not.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Well, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I guess that would technically be longer.
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  Speaker 2: But we're going to give away a little nuggety here.
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  Speaker 1: But his first day in America was the debut of
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  Speaker 1: Sandy's debut in Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 3: An amazing coincidence. And so he winds up working for
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  Speaker 3: the Dodgers when when they come out West, when they
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  Speaker 3: started in nineteen fifty out of the Spanish language broadcast,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't know a whole lot about baseball, but but
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  Speaker 3: he he got the job, and he taught himself baseball,
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  Speaker 3: built up the Spanish language and really created, uh he
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  Speaker 3: could say, laid down the foundation. Right. So for when
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  Speaker 3: from Nandomania happened, he was there calling it and also
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  Speaker 3: serving as Fernando's interpreter when he met with the media.
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  Speaker 3: So he didn't just describe Dodger history, he helped shape it.
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  Speaker 1: I will say this, and I'm curious if you think this,
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  Speaker 1: but this was the impression I got it, particularly after
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  Speaker 1: we did our interview with him. If there's no Spanish
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  Speaker 1: language history of a broadcast of a Dodger game before
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  Speaker 1: Fernando Mania. Does Fernando Mania have as big of an
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  Speaker 1: impact the in Southern California?
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  Speaker 3: I think to be able to fully understand it. And
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  Speaker 3: as he told us, he helped introduce baseball to a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people, particularly to female fans, and so not
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  Speaker 3: only was it spreading awareness, it was it was informing
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  Speaker 3: and educating the audience in the language that they spoke. Right, So,
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  Speaker 3: we haven't really thought about it or discussed it that much,
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  Speaker 3: and we didn't get too much into the into that
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  Speaker 3: in the first episode. But the notion the role that
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  Speaker 3: Jimi Herein played in Fernando Mania and the popularity of
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  Speaker 3: the Dodgers with a Latino.
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  Speaker 1: Fans, well put it this way, it definitely confirmed my
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  Speaker 1: view that Fernando is one of the is the mount
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  Speaker 1: is one of the four you know, it is it is,
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  Speaker 1: it is, so it is, it is I think so
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  Speaker 1: foundational to the identity of the Los Angeles Dodgers, right,
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  Speaker 1: more so than the Brooklyn Dodgers or the Dodgers as
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  Speaker 1: a franchise overall.
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  Speaker 3: And me thinking maybe we should have put Haimi Hereen
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  Speaker 3: on our Mount Russia. We had been on there, and
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  Speaker 3: this is the be.
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  Speaker 2: After this interview.
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  Speaker 1: I bet you some of some some some folks listening
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  Speaker 1: are going to call for that themselves.
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  Speaker 3: And now here's our conversation with Jimi Herin.
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  Speaker 1: himI, this is an honor and I'm ecstatic about this.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's start this way. How did you become a Dodger?
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  Speaker 1: How did you end up in the Dodger organization? Tell
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  Speaker 1: us that story.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, let me tell you, I'm very excited
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  Speaker 5: to be here with you. Thank you very much for invitation.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you telling me with you. Oh well, I come
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  Speaker 5: from Ecuador, South America. I was born there in nineteen
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  Speaker 5: thirty three. So I came to this country in nineteen
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  Speaker 5: fifty five because I just wanted to expand my horizons
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  Speaker 5: in radio. I was a very well known radio man
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  Speaker 5: in Quito for four years, not doing sports. I was
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  Speaker 5: an annucement with special events and news, nothing about sports.
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  Speaker 5: I arrive into this country liketeen fifty five, June twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 5: nineteen fifty five, you know what. I arrived here the
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  Speaker 5: same day that Sunday Kofax pitched his first game in
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  Speaker 5: the major leagues. So baseball was telling me something.
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  Speaker 2: You were being told something.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: June fourth, nineteen fifty five, I arrived into this country
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  Speaker 5: and I started working on KWKW or radio station, the
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  Speaker 5: only full time in Spanish speaking radio station in the
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  Speaker 5: United States. And I was there since fifty five, and
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  Speaker 5: I became the nurse and sports director of the station
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  Speaker 5: nineteen fifty seven, and the Digers came to the West.
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  Speaker 4: Coast nineteen fifty eight.
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  Speaker 5: Before coming to this country, I had never seen a
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  Speaker 5: baseball game in my life because in Ecuador, in Way
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  Speaker 5: I Kill, they play some baseball, but in Quito Zeo
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  Speaker 5: not baseball at all. So I had never seen a
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  Speaker 5: baseball or a bat before coming to this country. And
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  Speaker 5: I arrived here and in June. In October there word
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  Speaker 5: series in New York between the Brooklyn Dyers and the Yankees,
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  Speaker 5: and in Los Angeles, I saw so many people around
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  Speaker 5: TV sets and rather around radio receivers watching these games.
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  Speaker 5: In New York, people in stores and restaurants and tells
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  Speaker 5: everywhere they were watching these games. And I said, what's
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  Speaker 5: this and they turned its baseball, So I got interested
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  Speaker 5: in that. I started going to the Wrigley Field in
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  Speaker 5: south central Los Angeles and to the Gilmore Field in
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  Speaker 5: West Los Angeles to watch baseball, to learn me something
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  Speaker 5: about on baseball, without knowing that eventually I will be
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  Speaker 5: working in baseball, eventually that the Diceers will move into
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  Speaker 5: the Los Angeles. I went to see the Angels at
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  Speaker 5: the Gilmore Field and the Digers, I mean, and the
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  Speaker 5: and the Hollywood Stars I'm sorry, in Gilmore Field and
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  Speaker 5: Los Angeles Angers at the Wrigley Field Avallon and for
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  Speaker 5: a seconds in south central Los Angeles, and I started
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  Speaker 5: just grasping baseball. I wanted to know about baseball. I
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  Speaker 5: was doing boxing from during beca ritorium, so I became
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  Speaker 5: a vary sports minded person and I was learning the
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  Speaker 5: game when the Dicens came to Los aienteen fifty eight,
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  Speaker 5: and mister William Metton, who was the owner of k
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  Speaker 5: wk W, called me to his obvious to let me
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  Speaker 5: know that the Duches of moving from Brooklyn to Los
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  Speaker 5: Angeles and that he has signed a contract to other
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  Speaker 5: games in Spanish. And he said, I want you to
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  Speaker 5: be there, and I said, mister Beeton, thank you very much,
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  Speaker 5: but I think I am not ready to do baseball.
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  Speaker 5: I just know the basics of baseball, but nothing to
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  Speaker 5: be in front of a microphone calling the game.
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  Speaker 4: But he liked me very much.
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  Speaker 5: I was what I was, twenty one years old, and
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  Speaker 5: he said, climate there's a great future in baseball. You
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  Speaker 5: have been doing boxing. I know that you have the
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  Speaker 5: talent to sports, so be ready by next year. I
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  Speaker 5: want you to be with the Dishes. So nineteen fifty
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  Speaker 5: eight I spent the whole year reading everything about baseball,
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  Speaker 5: listen to every game, watching every game of baseball, trying
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  Speaker 5: to learn as much as possible. Fifty nine I started.
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  Speaker 5: I joined mister Rene Cardinas, who was the number one
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  Speaker 5: play by play an answer then and I joined him,
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  Speaker 5: and there was a re collision. I was very nervous,
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  Speaker 5: of course. I remember my first game. It was really
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  Speaker 5: does erita because I was so green. I was so
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  Speaker 5: young and and doing something I had never done before.
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  Speaker 5: In the third or fourth month of the season, I
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  Speaker 5: start calling one inning and that was the beginning. In
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  Speaker 5: nineteen fifty nine, I never thought I will stay so
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  Speaker 5: long with the Diges.
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  Speaker 3: You wounded up doing sixty four years of on the
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  Speaker 3: job training, right.
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  Speaker 5: I thought that Paly, I will stay with the Dagers
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  Speaker 5: for five six seven years and moved for something. Nelse
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  Speaker 5: Spanish television was just coming up. Channel thirty four was
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  Speaker 5: hoping that was the first Hispanic channel in the United States,
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  Speaker 5: Channel thirty four in Los Angeles. They started in nineteen
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  Speaker 5: sixty two, and I thought that television would be my
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  Speaker 5: next step. But I fell in love with the radio,
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  Speaker 5: and I fell in love with the Dagas, so I
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  Speaker 5: decided to stay with the Dagas doing baseball on radio
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  Speaker 5: and coming with them sixty four as a play by
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  Speaker 5: play sixteen eight years as an employee of the Asus.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, at the time, there was a lot of
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  Speaker 3: resentment towards the Dodgers in the Chicano community. The Chicanos
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  Speaker 3: was called then Latino, we would say today, because of
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  Speaker 3: the displacement of so many families in Chavez Ravine to
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  Speaker 3: build the stadium, with the land that wound up being
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  Speaker 3: used to build the stadium. How did you navigate that?
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  Speaker 3: Was any of that resentment directed toward you as a
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  Speaker 3: representative of the Dodgers at that time, but you're also
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  Speaker 3: that community.
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  Speaker 5: It was a difficult time, of course, because the things
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  Speaker 5: that you have described happening there, and I was in
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  Speaker 5: front of them because I was represented the dishes, and
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  Speaker 5: they started asking me questions and commy names and everything everything.
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  Speaker 5: But I explained to them that I think the problem
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  Speaker 5: was misinformation by the authorities because the city Hall was
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  Speaker 5: supposed to relocate those families that were in Chabbeshen in
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  Speaker 5: someplace else, that that arrangement was signed fifteen years before
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  Speaker 5: the Diges moved in and the Digers came in. It
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  Speaker 5: because have been the lakers, could have been the Chargers
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  Speaker 5: or anybody is you know, was that ages, but it
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  Speaker 5: was the community. I had to explain to them that
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  Speaker 5: there was the misinformation, that they were in the right.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't get the right news about that about the problem.
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  Speaker 5: As I said, the fault was at the city hall.
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  Speaker 5: It didn't relocate those Sumbis. But it was difficult, difficult, Uh,
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  Speaker 5: tough little bit literally, you know, thing was getting better
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  Speaker 5: until Fernando. Fernande is the one that really put a
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  Speaker 5: solution to the problem.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: And I goes with Fernando everywhere. So so I had
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  Speaker 5: to share those those things with Fernando.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Fernando a minute. I mean, had had
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  Speaker 1: the community had all started to warm to the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: before Fernando and then Fernando was the explosion, sort of
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  Speaker 1: the you know, opened things up. Had you already seen it?
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  Speaker 1: Or was Fernando the beginning.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, the Latinos are very sports minded people.
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  Speaker 5: They followed soccer, they followed boxing, and now they follow
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  Speaker 5: baseball also, So I think they when the Diceers arrived here,
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  Speaker 5: I think they start following, following baseball, following the Diges.
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  Speaker 5: But I started nineteen fifty eight fifty nine with the Damagers.
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  Speaker 5: They were about eight or ten percent of the fun
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  Speaker 5: days that were Latinos coming to see the and watch
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  Speaker 5: the dishes, eight or ten percent.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's forty six percent.
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  Speaker 5: People that were really not interested at all in baseball.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks to Fernando, they became interested. People from Mexico, from
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  Speaker 5: Central America, arom South America. They didn't care about baseball.
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  Speaker 5: They care of just about soccer and boxing, and thanks
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  Speaker 5: to Fernando, they studied wondering why they're so excited in
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  Speaker 5: the community in Los Angeles, in the population in general.
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  Speaker 5: So Fernando is the one that really opened opened the
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  Speaker 5: doors for millions and millions of all Latinos coming to baseball.
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  Speaker 5: So the dishes, of course were the manufacturers.
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  Speaker 4: Of the of the thing.
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  Speaker 5: But it was in baseball in general because with Fernando,
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  Speaker 5: not only here a Losie, as we had sent outs
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  Speaker 5: in every city that we went, Chicago, New York, Saint Louis, Atlanta,
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  Speaker 5: everywhere when Fernando was pitching, it was ten to twelve
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  Speaker 5: thousand extra fans and the ballpark it was amazing. I
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  Speaker 5: met Fernando when he joined the Dagos in September nineteen,
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  Speaker 5: nineteen eighty. I used to come down to the club
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  Speaker 5: house when some new players come to the team to
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  Speaker 5: agree with them, to say hello and explain to them
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  Speaker 5: the restrictions that they have in the club house and
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  Speaker 5: things like that, especially to the Latino players. And they
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  Speaker 5: told me that there was a young Mexican kid that
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  Speaker 5: was coming joining the Digess. So we were in Houston
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  Speaker 5: when he came to the Dijions on September fifteenth, nineteen
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  Speaker 5: eighty and I went to see him and he was
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  Speaker 5: extremely shy, didn't say a word practically, not even in Spanish,
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  Speaker 5: and it was very very he was very humble, but
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  Speaker 5: very very nice, very nice, and the DAGs didn't see
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  Speaker 5: action in Houston. From there we went to Cincinnati. They
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  Speaker 5: didn't see action in Cincinnati, and when we went to Atlanta,
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  Speaker 5: that's when Fernando was called to his first game in
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  Speaker 5: the Nature Dicks as a reliever.
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  Speaker 4: He came in the sixth inning.
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  Speaker 5: And he faced a catcher of the Braves, Bruce Benedict,
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  Speaker 5: and he was the first hour he got. He was
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  Speaker 5: a flyboall to Cerell Field and that was the beginning
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  Speaker 5: of everything. The people, I mean, I knew something about
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  Speaker 5: Fernando because he already was doing fantastic things in San Antonio.
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  Speaker 5: I think he had a streak of more than twenty
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  Speaker 5: score seinings in San Antonio.
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  Speaker 2: When they were the double agg at the time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, when he came to the Dashes, so we knew
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  Speaker 5: something about him, but we never never, never thought that
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  Speaker 5: he will become what he became.
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  Speaker 3: Now. You worked and you served as his interpreter when
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  Speaker 3: he would meet with the media to take things from
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  Speaker 3: Spanish to English. Spending that much time with him, I'm
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  Speaker 3: wondering if you had a sense of what it was
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  Speaker 3: like for him going from this small town in Mexico
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  Speaker 3: to coming to Los Angeles and just being beloved by
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  Speaker 3: the entire city and being embraced by the state. What
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  Speaker 3: was that like for that young shy kid, as you said,
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  Speaker 3: to experience that.
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  Speaker 5: As I said, he was extremely shy, very introvert, really
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  Speaker 5: didn't talk much even with me. I should say that
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  Speaker 5: we never never became a very close close friends. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: Fernando all riskyp the diinsas of everybody. I don't know why,
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  Speaker 5: but he was, that was his personality. I respected that
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  Speaker 5: we were good friends, but not intimate friends.
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  Speaker 4: Never.
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  Speaker 5: When he came to the Dages, of course, he couldn't
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  Speaker 5: speak any English, so they asked Pepe frias a second
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  Speaker 5: baseman for the Dominican Republic, to help Fernando. Sometimes they
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  Speaker 5: will ask many Mota was the first place coach to
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  Speaker 5: help Fernando.
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  Speaker 4: But then one day Fred.
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  Speaker 5: Claire came to me. Fred Clay was the head of
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  Speaker 5: publicity of the Daghers. He came to me. I said,
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  Speaker 5: he it's not right to be asking bold players and
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  Speaker 5: coaches to help Fernando. Since you are an employee of
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  Speaker 5: the Daghs, since you travel with the team, since you
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  Speaker 5: are everywhere with the team, would you help Fernando translat
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  Speaker 5: him for him? And I said, why, that's that's great.
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  Speaker 5: I will do it very gladly. And it was really
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  Speaker 5: very very put it. It was very important for me
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  Speaker 5: as an arson announcer because by then I was very
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  Speaker 5: well known, but only in southern California, only in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 5: But thanks to Fernando, because I was with him everywhere,
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  Speaker 5: they stop knowing who him heroine was in New York,
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  Speaker 5: in Atlanta, in Saint Louis, especially in Chicago in other series. Really,
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  Speaker 5: so one of the reasons why I think I was
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  Speaker 5: elected to the Hall of Fame Cooperstown nineteen ninety eight
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  Speaker 5: was because I was with Fernando and they knew about
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  Speaker 5: me that they have been with the Dodgers for such
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: a long time, and so he helped me a lot
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: and I enjoyed me with him. Stay with him for
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: about three years. Then he learned English and hitting any translator.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: So I became the first interpreter UH in the Major
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: leagues in the history of Major leagues, because before me,
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: nobody Mary Latinos came to the to the major leagues,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: but Major League Baseball didn't care about getting translators for them,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: especially Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. A little bit later in Mexicans,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: but they didn't assign any any interpreters any any translators
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: and now you know they have so many at some people.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: But I enjoyed that part of my job.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Get another, Get another Dodger innovation that comes first there.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Talk about Fernando and the booth.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: With you, Well, you know I was in Houston bringing
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: him when he joined the major leagues. Then when he
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: started pitching, stopped playing, he was hired as a commentator,
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: and it was me who had to welcome him to
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: the booth. And he felt great to be with me,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: and I tried to guide him, you know, the proper way.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: And we never had brams. He was very responsible. He
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: never he was never late. He really he was an
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: asset in the booth, no question about it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, what did you learn from Vince Scully? Yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: the opportunity to be around him. Obviously he didn't work
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: together on the broadcast, But what did you pick up
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: being around Vin Scully all that time?
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Jay?
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: You know I have been so Fuchnate sol he to
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: see in action the best wall brainers of our times.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: I was able to see the Willie Mays, mickem Until,
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Sandy Kowfs and try stale you name it, you name it,
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Really the best of the best stund usual. Uh, Henry
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: arn the best of the best, especially from Dashian League.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Because I was in Nashonica all the time.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Only only in the post season I was able to
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: watch the American League players.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: But I was so fortunate to see them then.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Also I was so fortunate to be among the best
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: announcers in baseball. Wing Scaley. He was so good with me,
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: so special with me. He became my friend, he became
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: my teacher, he became my idol. He became everything to me,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: and he was extremely extremely nice with me. He knew
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: that I was green, that I was very young, so
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: really hate me. Because it the in the beginning, in
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: the first six eight years, we never travel with it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: We had to recreate the games, and uh, I know
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: that they did recreation in English years before, but they
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: used to do taking the game from the tele type,
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: from the sticker or whatever they were already behind, have
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: a ginning or an inning. In our case, we had
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: a line from our part to the radio station and
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: it was a simultaneously translation of the game.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Because we used to listen to Vinn.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: And Jerry Duggitt and and come up with with the
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: with the with the broadcast strike strike ball ball foul
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: foul only when it was a very track play, especially
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: in Meghan base who had and it was a double
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: or a triple. We had to wait until the play
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: was over to come on, to come on with our narration.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: But in that regard, Ning Vinn was so so helpful
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: to me. He knew that that we were in Los Angeles,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: so before the broadcast he will always tell me something
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: about the weather, about the traffic going to the Borough
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: game there, and he gave me information knowing that I
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: was in another city, so he took the time to
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: do that. He didn't have to do that. But he
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: was so nice and we came so close friends. Probably
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I am the person that spent more time with him
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: than anybody else in baseball, because when we were on
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: the road, always we will have dinner together at the
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: World Park, and when we had a day off an
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: id off the phone will ring my room and said,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: I made sure at seven o'clock in the lobby, let's
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: go out to some place. And so extremely nice with me,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: and he was the best of the rest. And as
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: a broadcaster, as a person he was unique. He was
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: so gentleman, so so nice. I never thought him talking
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: bad about anybody or anything. He told me him, I'm
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: going to give you only two other wises, he said.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: One doesn't matter how many games you have done. Always
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: do you from work, please, because you never know how
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: never could never know what's going to happen. And in baseball, uh,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: contrary to boxing, you have many, many, many minutes of
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: time to fill, so you have to be prepared. Read
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: read as much as possible, not only about baseball, read
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: a lot because you never know what you will have
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: the chance to include some of you you have reading
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: a page into the into the game.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: So that's what I did. And the other advice was.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Don't get to intimate with the players because that will
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: affect your games. Betty nice with them, be respectful, be
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: good friends with them, but not intimate, not intimate, keep
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: your distance for them. That will help you a lot.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: And they followed those two advices, and really that helped
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: me a lot.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Hey, I mean, when did when did you start traveling
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: with the team? When did you start going to the ballpark?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: When did they finally stop the.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: I which are traveling? First?
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: We used to start first at the beginning, we used
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: to go to San Francisco and then then by nineteen
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: sixty five, we start traveling with the team nineteen sixty five.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: The Advices were the first the first baseball organization in
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: the major leagues that had bilingual coverage, full coverage of
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: the games since day one when they came to Los Angeles.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: And Uh, Walter O'Malley used to take me when I
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: took my breaks in the fourth and fifth innings and
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: he will come and say, hey, they can come work
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: with me because he wanted to ask me questions. And
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: I was so afraid of of of him, you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: because I didn't know that I was able to answer
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: the questions. But he would work with me and say,
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: when are you going to get me a Mexican Sandy Kovax. Sorry,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: but well you got Sandy Cobx. No way, because he
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: is so unique. So but he he took the time
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: to study the the the in the community. He was
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: the person that really took a helicopter rides quite often
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: to see the demographics of Los Angeles in southern California
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: and of the dancers it's going California. So he knew
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: that the Latino were really uh part of the of
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: the of the population that really care about the sports
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: and He wanted to attract them to baseball, and he
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: cultivated fantastically, studying, studying with giving them, uh, the baseballs
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: in Spanish, and somebody asked him, why do you do that?
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: There's none here, because you know if they listen to
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: the English, they they were understanding.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: And they said, no, no, no, no.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: I want to give them something in their own language
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: so they can really grasp the game and understand the game,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: and eventually they will be a great part of the
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: of the.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Fun basing Sonic California.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, I got to watch the Mexican Sandy Cofax,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: but I didn't get to see the original. You got
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: to see Kofax and Drysdale in their prime. Describe for
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: us what it was like watching those two great pictures.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Drysdale and Coofax had the opposite personalities. Sunday was very
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: very iron I don't say cold, but he really he
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: was always a part. He didn't talk march and and
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: and Drysdale was the opposite. Ryce Dale was hugging him verybody.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: He knew the names of everyone, and we became very
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: very good friends. And especially he really took me under
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: his wings. And when we when he was a broadcaster,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: uh And we used to go to Montreal. He would
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: take me to the best Italian restaurants in all Montreal
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: because he played there with the Royals. So they were
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: the opposite Sunday and Risdale, but they were great.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: They were great.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: Sunday we always be with the with the less known
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: play use with the players on the bench, and Drysdale
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: was always.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Where they were.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: They were the best players on the team, always there.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: So it was very different Sunday, will we Suski and
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: and uh and will be with somebody very well known.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I'm curious how how often did you deal with the
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: off field stuff in your broadcast, So you had Drysdale
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and Kofax holding out on their contracts or when Kofax
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: decided not to play during jan Kapor, how much did
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you talk about that on your broadcast?
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Did you choose to leave.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: It much not to lunch because I was a play
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: by play and I had a color mean with me.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I endeabed editor and I used to the game and
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: I tried to I tried to be away from from
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: those situations. I will income them, but I will never
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: take sides nothing like that. I will improve in my
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: broadcast things that that officially never gossip, nothing like that,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: and you have to be very careful, very careful. And
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: I was very happy and that never had any complaints,
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: never had any any problems in that regard, really no
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: complaints to the team nothing. I had always been extremely
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: extremely unfortunate when I was with Fernando. Never had a problem.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: And we had very tough, tough TAFT press conference. One
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: time in we were in in in Atlanta, was a
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: very had night, very humid night, and that I just
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: lost and Fernanda lost two to one or one to nothing,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: something like that against phil Nicro And after the game,
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: they were about fifty newspapers many day, about fifty writers
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: there and they started I was asking Fernando all type
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: of questions and really and that, and especially the Latino
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: writers who were very tough with Fernando.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: One one writer said.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Fernando, you you you were the rookie of the year
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: and you have had already all the accolades that you
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: have received.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Tell Us Princeton asked, what are you.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Going to be doing with with a million dollars you
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: have just signed to help the people in Latin America.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: And so Fernandez just listened to that and he said, hey,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: he said, your question was sold on that. I don't
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: remember exactly what next one.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Pretty clever, you know, you was sharp, definitely smart. I mean,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: this might be difficult, but out of the thousands of
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: games that you and covered throughout your career, are there
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: three that stand out above the rest?
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: No, If I have been with the largest five, six,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: eight years, ten years, it would be very easy to
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: pick up. But you know, in sixty four years, it's
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: it's really difficult. But I would have to say. Number
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: one is the game Pitchy or Rishi September twenty eight
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: and I think eighty eight. It came to the record
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: that it was the last game of the season and
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: he needed ten scoreless innings to.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Wreck to break.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: In the record by rising the record, and only he
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: came and and it so dramatics, the electricity he was there.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: You know, he got those ten innings to tie the record,
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: but he needed one more and that extraining the tenth.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: It was my goodness. He was in trouble. He had
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: men on her base and he gave a walk in
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: order to set up a match up there and he
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: got the fly board to senate field for last out
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: and he completely scoreless innings breaking breaking Drysdale. Drysdale was
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: in the booth calling the game, but in the nineteen
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: and he went down to the bench because he got
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: to do the post game interview. And when Drysdale dropped
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: the record, he said, well, at least it stays in
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: the family.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: There is another game, you know.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: I had a very tough to have a car accident
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: in spring training in nineteen ninety so I had a
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: very chance. I was almost four months in the hospital
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: in the Indian River Hospital in Verovich, Florida, and I
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: had only eight percent chance of surviving. I had so
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: many injuries. I lost the bladder. I goes there the
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: way I got Oh, it was a mess. I was
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: six weeks in intensive care, four months in the hospital.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: But I have committed myself to the Old Star Game.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: And I was released from the hospital at the beginning
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: of July. So I said I wanted to do the
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: Old Star Game. So when was helped me. He helped
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: me do it to Chicago and to do the game
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: with him. But I was able to go to the
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: probably two or three innings because I was still in
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: such pain everything. So it was very, very tough, very
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: very tough. And one of the pictures that they have
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: with VN that really appreciate more is the one between
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: in a picture of Vain and myself in Chicago, I
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Wrigley feel I was very slender because I had lost
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: about forty pounds. It was a very tough accident and
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: because of that, I think that's a very important game
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: for me. But I I CBS was very nice with me. No,
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: it was ESPN. I was already with the ESPN, you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: when I was doing the post games for CBS and
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: when the ESPN got the rights, h frag frang fran
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: That's was his line. It was my was the producer
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: for ESPN. And when the ESPN people asked you when
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: they needed an announswer for years being the people and
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: at the ESPN has asked Frank to get a recording
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: my because he recommended me for the job and his bosses,
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: no will have to hear him. Please ask him to
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: say a recording too, so we can hate him and
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: judge before giving him the job. So Francais, no, I
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: am not going to ask that to hire me, because
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: if you need that, just go to Cooperstown and calling
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: all of him, or.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Really so that I got the job there.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty good job, pretty good resume here. You go,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: just go to Cooperstown. Then you tell me whether you
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: want to hire.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Me another again. Another important game was the game of
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: also September September eighteen truthsand and six Lagers and Padris.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Going into the nineteenning, the Diges were behind nine to
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: six and they god four home runs in a row.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: Jeff Kent, JD Drew, Russell Martin and Marlon Anderson got
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: come runs to tie the score. We went to the
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: tenth inning, the party is gonnahead ten to nine, and
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: in the bottom of the tenth no, Margai Bara came
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: on with a two run come run and we won
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: the game.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: That was.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Fantastic and fantastic. Then the third one, I could say
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: the Sandy Kofax perfect game, because Fabe hims that that
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: has something special, something unique, but along with some dis perfecto,
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: I will have to say the Peking game thrown by
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Dennis Martinez against the ass at the Stadium in nineteen
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: ninety one, and it was special because Martinez was a Latino,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: the first Latino to throw a perfect game. So in
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: the sixth inning we got telephone calls from Manawan in
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: Karawa and a call from radio stations. They tried to
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: get into the network so they can carry their last
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: few innings because our president it was throwing a perfect game.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: So we had to call right away in New York
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: to be okay so they can be part of the network.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: And even though it was against the agis my but
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: you know it was by Latino and it was terrificing
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: that you stadium, So that was very special for me
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: because of the all the listeners, the Latino, the Siners,
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: not only in Los Angeles, not only in the United States,
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: in Mexico, because you know, we've had a network in
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Mexico of ninety six radio stations carrying every single main
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: game of the Digs. Up to Fernando Uh, the Yankees
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: were the number one team in Mexico, but thanks to Fernando,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: the Digers became the number one team in Mexico and
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: they still have the number team in number one team
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: in Mexico thanks to Fernando so uh. Because of that
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: that that perfect way. Venis Martinez was also very special
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: in mainbo.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: So let me get let's get you out of here
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: on this you've seen.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I want to say, is it six World Series La Dodgers,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I Dodger Series.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: I've been involved in in a very one war service,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: right wow, well nine twenty nine as a play by
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: play guy. Because my contract with the Dodgers were, if
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: the Digers don't go to the post season, I will
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: move to another network to do that for post game seasons.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: I did know.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: I moved to CBS first, then it was Cardinal Latina,
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: then it was ESPN. So that's why I was doing
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: about two hundred games a year every year, and I
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: have done probably a little bit more than twelve thousand
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: games in my life. It was a time when I
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: did more than four thousand games in a row from
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: na teen sixty two until nineteen eighty four.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: And well that's twice cal Ripkins and how about that.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Yah, My streak was broken because of the Olympics. They
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: asked me to leave the Digs and to go and
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: work for the Olympics. So, because mister O'Malley was working
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: very tough, very hard to get baseball as a medal
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: sport in the Olympics, so I left the Digers for
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: almost four weeks and I moved to the to the
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Olympics and I was in charge of all the coverage
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: of radio Spanish radio or of the Olympics. I had
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: about twelve reporters, so we did an excellent chart covered
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: in the Olympics, and that that's why I broke my
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: streak of four thousand games in a row from sixty
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: to until eighty four.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: What I was going to ask is whether there's one
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Dodger World Series team that you think is the best,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: or maybe the better way to say, is your favorite.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: Probably I will say last year's team. I think last
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: year's team even though I wasn't working, but you know,
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: I followed the doses very closely. I watch every single
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: game and I enjoy watching TV and listen to the announcers.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Listen to Joe, listen to Hash is amazing. To me,
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: he is the best analyst in basebook, no question about it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: Not not because he is my friend, but he is
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: really I see him how he prepares every single broadcast.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: He is really really on the board. He's amazing. He's amazing.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: So I enjoy you on TV when I go to
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: the to the board part. Now I go there, I
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: go to the field, I go to the clubhouse, I
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: say hello to the board prayers. Then I go upstairs
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: to the Prins box to see especially the writers, because
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: the writers were so.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Nice with me.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: They wrote so many beautiful column is about me the
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Spanish or English, so I am intereft with them, and
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: they like to see me also there because I don't
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: over there quite often, so but I see plash ky,
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: I see all of them there and it was great.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: I see the employees of the press box and press section,
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: so I enjoy that very much. Then I stay for
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: four or five innings and come home in the fifth inning.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: Not traffic at all. Fantastic, great.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Some time.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for sharing your memories. This is
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: just absolutely incredible for us to hear over six decades
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: of Dodger memories. And great to see you again.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Iimy.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I used to enjoy seeing you in the press box
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: at Dodger Stadium, and now it's good to see you electronically.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: And thank you so much for your time.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: I have enjoyed very much this talk with you, and
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: let me let me tell you that I would like
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: to finish this with the my thanks during my audience.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: You know in radio on TV, if you don't have audience,
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: if you don't have the numbers your deaths, you can continue.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: In my case, they were behind me. You know, in
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: the especially during Fernando, the ratings for a radio station
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: for news, especially it's three three point five used to be.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: Now it's one one point five. Really, it's so bad,
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: but it was in those days it was three three
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: point five. The most my broadcast had eight point six.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Eight point six. We had an audience or probably between
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: fifteen and twenty five million people every single day because
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: all Mexicos listened every single game, and in southern California,
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: all the Latinos embrace baseball, brace Fernando, and uh, Fernando
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: was the person who was the bold player that created
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: more more baseball followers than anybody else. Maajoring baseball should
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: thank Fernando for that, because really he created people that,
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: especially females, especially females, we need the When Fernando was pitching,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: they were praying at home. They used praying the Rosary
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: dot home because Fernando was a was pitching, and you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: I was with Fernando, so it was a pleasure for
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: me to be able to teach the game to the
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: You know, let me tell you one thing, I don't
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: know if we have a time, but we teach. I
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: teach the game because I started receiving. Course, why do
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: you say he was out from six to three? And
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: I say you right, let me explain to you defensively
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: the piece of one catching moment two frisbee number three, four, five, six, seven,
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: eight at nine. So if the ball goes to the
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: short stop, what's the nomination stat number six, he goes
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: to first to number three.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: That's why we said six to three. So I was
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: teaching them baseball.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: And I feel so so grateful to God that I
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: had the opportunity to spray and in baseball around and
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: to Gospery baseball to the englisteners, to the Latino listeners.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Wow, well, what a great opportunity and experience there, Chuck,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: to speak with someone who was there for so much
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Dodger history and has such great recall of it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: All Right, I just you know, I want to remind
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the viewers here, he's ninety three right now when we
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: did this interview. Okay, and we know some of you
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: may be listening to this month later, but you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: in sort of spring twenty twenty six. I hope I'm
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: half as I hope my memories half as good when
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I hit eighty three, let alone ninety three.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: It was cool to me just hearing that. We asked
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: him about Cofax and dry Zone. He went right to
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: their personalities and describing their personalities, because that's something that
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: we can't see. We can go back, maybe even watch
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: some of the games. We can look at all the stats,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: but he gave a sense of who they were and
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: how different they were, the dynamic there with that relationship.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: It was interesting to hear his philosophy about because I
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: think I certainly had an expectation that the relationship with
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Fernando would be closer personally. And he talked about this
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: advice and that Vin gave him, and when he said it,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: it makes now more sense sort of because Vin was
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the same way. You never heard about Vin having these
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: personal relationships with the players, and the fact that he
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: would describe that, you know, Vin was his dinner companion
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: every night, and I mean it was Vin's dinner companion
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: on the road, right. They really did sort of they
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: viewed themselves as you know, journalists, and I say this
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: because we see today's broadcasters. Really, you know, they were
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Vin and Jimi worked for the team, but they didn't
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: behave like they worked for the team. It's a little
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: bit different today. I don't mean that in a negative.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: It just is different, don't you think.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And hearing him talk about how he just respected
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Fernando and and sort of didn't keep kept his distance
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: somewhat emotionally kept his distance, which was surprising to me
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: to hear, but it felt like it validated my post
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: to Fernando, which was to keep my distance, because Jim
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: certainly had a much greater right and you would think
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: a greater opportunity to get close to Fernando. And I
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: just always when Fernando walked away. It's not that he
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: was aloof or cold or anything like that, but there
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: was just this sense that he valued his privacy, every
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: set and of privacy that he could get so much
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: of his time did not belong to him. That I
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: didn't want to intrude on that. And interesting himI seemed
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: like he felt the same way. By the way.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Two more, you know we've been talking about the Dodgers
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: and innovators, barrier breakers. You know that that's the theme
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: of our of our of our the larger point that
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: we made about in our and our sort of our
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: interpretation of the history of the Dodgers, and Haime added
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: two more developments that frankly were trend setting and now
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: are just the interpreter. The fact that and it really
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: was pretty disrespectful to so many Latino players that they
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: weren't given that opportunity, and that the Dodgers were the
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: first ones to do that, they didn't do it right
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: away for every Latino player, Fernando being the first. And now,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: of course you see this, we see this so much
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: more often for particularly for the more so for the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Japanese players. And then the fact that the Dodgers immediately
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: decided to have a Spanish language broadcast.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Which had a very forward thinking on Waltermalley's part. For sure.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: I was also so surprised a little bit that he
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: went with the most recent Dodger World series as his
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: favorite world series, the twenty said it's the best.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: In fairness, I said it's the best.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: He's probably going to be right, but I think we
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: you and I both fear recency biased, don't we, right.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Well, so he didn't have that when we asked his
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: greatest game, so that went to He went with the
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: old Hirsheizer game that that beat. It's interesting because you
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: would think it would be a postseason game, but for him,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: the regular season game. But that was a historic and
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: it probably he probably when he was watching Copax and Drysdale,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: he probably didn't think that he'd ever see anyone surpass them,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: so to see Hirscheiser surpass him, and the cool part
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: that Drysdale was there as a broadcast for himself for
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: that moment, and then you can't blame The second thing
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: that came to mind was that game for the personal
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: recovery from the automobile accident, and that All Star game,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: which usually wouldn't be among people's memories of their greatest games.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: So those were his two and three. And what do
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: you have as your top two? Check?
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I look, I mean I think you can't. I
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: think it like the Gibson home run is arguably going
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: to be one of the five most famous World Series
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: games period, so I fit right.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was voted the greatest LA sports moment
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: of the twentieth century in some survey in nineteen ninety nine,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: so that's up there. So that's for you. I heard
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: me because I wasn't watching it.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it was a little For me, I had the radio.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I have the buck first thing in
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: my head. And of course now I've rewatched that ninth
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: inning so many times with you know, with Mike Davis
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: getting on first, you know that whole thing. But and
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: the second game I would pick is a Fernando game,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and it was in the World Series when he gets
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: rocked early and Tommy does what Tommy always did, frankly,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: but it was it turned out well in that game.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: He leaves Fernando in and arguably Fernando pitches the remainder
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of that game was amazing, and the Dodgers go on
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: to win the next four straight. I believe that was
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Game three. It was in Yankee Stadium. That's what I
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: for my memory serves. I hope I have that right.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: It's one of those now it's too good to check.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: But for me, and I say this as sort of
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: with the Dodger fans, the child, those were the two
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: biggest ones that I remember. My father would have added
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: the Reggie Jackson World Series, but I can't sit here
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and tell you I remember that World Series as well.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I don't either, but I do remember, and this might
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: be recency biased, but I don't think I'm alone in this.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: When you look at the Game seven against the Blue
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Jays in the twenty twenty five World Series, Tyler keeper
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: had the Athletic called it the greatest Game seven ever,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: and he kind of had some metrics by which he
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: came to that conclusion. This is someone who's been covering
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: baseball for a good thirtieth You.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Think the Blue Jays have to be a playoff team
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: for the off and on for the next couple of
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: years for that Game seven to grow in importance.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: No, because in some ways, if that was their loan
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: shot at it, it makes it even more poignant, and
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: the tragedy from their perspective of just being a striker
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: and out away from winning the World Series an inch
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: away on that throw home, right, I mean, just like
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: almost a cleat away from tapping home before that ball
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: gets there. But the fact that you had the winning team,
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers trailed in the ninth inning and came back
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: and won it. They trailed by three runs early in
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: the game, came back and won it. The fact that
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: the game tying home run was a guy who only
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: started one previous game in a month, And I like
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: the vindicated Roberts Miguel.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: It's funny to see even now, I was why you
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: know how Rojas is he has entered that he is
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: in lore now, isn't he like he's he hitted.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: It's funny. It's like the Dodgers. They can't just throw them,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: they can't just sort of wave them anymore, right, like
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: he's gonna he has a place of honor on that
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: and the in Dodger fandom.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Now, I think I like the poetic ending where where
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Mookie Betts picks up the ground ball, steps on second
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: throws the first for the game ending double play. A
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: guy who was a converted shortstop did whatever tick for
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: the best of the team, probably to the detriment of
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: his hitting as he was learning the new position and
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: adapting to this position over the last couple of years.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: And so I like that he gets to record the
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: final out as a converted shortstop. So that that's number
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: one maybe recency bias, and number two you talk about
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: the Gibson home run in eighty eight, I'm actually going
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: with a different game in eighty eight, and it's Game
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: four of the League Championship Series against the Mets and
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Chay Stadium, and it features Mike Soosha hitting a game
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: time home run against Dwight Gooden in the in the
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: ninth inning, and then Kirk Gibson, maybe a little bit
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: of foreshadowing, goes ahead and hits the go ahead home
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: run in the twelfth and then all Herscheizer, who had
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: started the game the game before and lost, well didn't
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: get the loss, but the Dodger didn't get the win
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: because the Dodger bullplan blew the game after he went out.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: But he comes in and gets the last out, comes
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: in with bases loaded and two out and gets the
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: final out for that. So part of that that epic
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: run that included that breaking the Drysdale record and then
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: went on to have the World Series MVP. But let's
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: not forget that one out that he got to preserve
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: that that win. In an overlook game, Tommy Lisorta says
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: that game is soone is is bigger than the Kirk
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Gibson home run game because they might not get to
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: the Kirk Gibson home run and I get to the
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: World Series without that game.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: So you know, it's funny.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I was having a conversation with somebody, you know who's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: been asking me questions about our new what are what
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: we're doing together here and dynastic and which teams, And
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: they brought up that Mets that those Mets teams of
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the eighties of how how you know, Yes, they broke
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: through at eighty six, but it's actually one of the
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: like so many missed opportunities, but particularly that eighty eight team, right,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: that was one that for Mets fans, the eighty eight
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: team is a big missed opportunity for a world series.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe we'd be doing a Dynastic episode about
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: them if they had won that and maybe really taken
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: control of the eighties. Right, But yeah, you can do.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, we talk about what a disappointment it was
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: for those that loaded Oakland Athletics team to lose the
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Dives in world series, but that was a superior Mets
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: team that that to those Dodgers too.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: They probably a better Mets team than the one that
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: one in AY six in some ways more complete.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe you can make that case.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we have one other special treat in here,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and it's an amazing thing that you still have in
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: your archives, and we thought this is one of those
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: this is where you know, both both Jay and I
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: have these, you know sort of stuff in our career.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: We've we've done stuff and acquired stuff not used it.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you're like, hey, wait
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: a minute, this might be of interest. Well you have
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: one of those things, uh, And it evolves Vince Scully
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: tell the story of how you ended up with this interview,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: which for the first time someone's gonna We're gonna play
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: for you guys, so you guys can here. It's audio only.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: So in twenty twelve, when the New Jersey Nets as
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: they were then known, we're getting ready to move to Brooklyn,
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: and it was gonna be the first major league professional
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: sports game in the Borough of Brooklyn since the Dodgers
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: had last played there in nineteen fifty seven. So I thought, okay,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: I know someone around here who was at that last game.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Vin Scully of course called it for the Dodgers at
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Evis Field. So I called the Dodgers, set it up,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: and I went out to go talk to Ben at
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Dodger Stadium before a game there. And as I was
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: preparing to do it, I realized, wait a minute, people
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: aren't just gonna want to read Vin's words about this.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: This is Vin Scully They're going to want to hear
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Vin Scully's voice. So before the real podcast there, I
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: decided I'd maybe do like a little mini podcast. It
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: was only going to be like a five minute interview,
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: but I said, let's do it as an audio story.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: I borrowed a microphone from Betro durand the LA sports
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: radio guy. People in LA. Part of the audience will
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: certainly be familiar with that name, so i'd have a
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: little bit better sounding audio when I went in to
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: talk with Vin, and I went in there, did the interview,
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: and it's in Scully right, and it just takes you
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: back there to that day. His memories of it were
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: very vivid and detailed. Of course. So unfortunately, when the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: story was supposed to run on ESPN dot com, there
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: was a huge storm in New York that wound up
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: postponing the nets debut game. Their regular season debut at
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: the Barclays Center got pushed back because there was this
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: tremendous storm in New York City that just wrecked everything.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: So they had to push the start of the game back,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: and then my little audio moment just kind of got
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: lost in the wash. I don't know what else was
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: going on. Maybe the World Series was happening or something,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: but they just wound up becoming a much busier sports day,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: and they never wound up using my stories, so you
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: can't find it. It's basically it's as if it never existed.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: But I've kept it all along. I somehow I've had it.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: It's survived a few migrats from hard drive to hard drive,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: and so with the Dodgers being our debut episode, I
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: thought this would be a great bonus to use and incorporate.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: So now we'll have a chance to hear Ben Scully's
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: memories of that long lost day in Brooklyn, the Dodgers'
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: final day at Epsfield.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: Well, Jay, it was rather sad for everyone concerned. We
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: had an organist who was her name was Gladys Gooding, and.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: She was very down. She was the answer to a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: trivia question.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: The trivia question was who played for the Dodgers, the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: Knicks and the Rangers, and the answer was the organist,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: Gladys Gooding. So she sat in her little booth suspended
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: from the upper deck, and the very first song she
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: played that night was My Buddy, which is a pretty
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: sad song, and she went down from there. So the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: mood in the ballpark was very heavy, very heavy. And
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: meanwhile they played and they won the game, but there
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: was no joy about the win, and eventually they moved on.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: So that last game was pretty sad, pretty sad.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: The attendance that day was only sixty seven hundred. So
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: at that point was it apathy or was it anger
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: that the team was leaving?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: Well, I can't describe the attitude of people. I know
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: my own, which was bittersweet. They also knew in advance
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: that this was going to be the last game, so
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: I think resignation would be the better word. Where if
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: people just knew they were going and they just didn't
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: show up for the ballgame, which by the way, was
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: televised so a lot of people in the borough saw
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: it as well.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: What made games in Brooklyn different than the other ballparks
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: around the league and even the other stadiums in New York.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: Well, certainly the biggest difference was the size of the ballpark.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: It was very small, or as you would say, so
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: that the fans were very visible in the modern day ballpark,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: and there's nothing wrong with it, but in the modern
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: day ballpark crowds are somewhat like wallpaper you're not aware
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: of individuals, But when you were in Ebitsfield in Brooklyn,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: you were constantly aware of individual fans. They were always
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: doing something. They'd be dropping notes to the outfielders. I mean,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: it was just a rather remarkable place. When Billy Herman,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: who was a great player, eventually came to coach for
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: the Dodgers, he said, it was amazing. It was like
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: playing a World Series game every day. The energy in
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: the ballpark was truly that, it was electric.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Was there a Brooklyn attitude that you would say permeated
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: the crowd in some ways?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: The team represented the borough. Now, the borough was somewhat
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: of the laughing stock from the Lordly Manhattan and the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: Big Towers, etc. And not old enough to remember, but
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: during that period of time in the forties and fifties,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: and certainly during the war, if there was a war
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: movie about a group of soldiers, the clown, the loudmouth,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: the rough edged guy was always from Brooklyn. Usually the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: mention of the word Brooklyn elicited some laughter. So the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: people related to their team, their team answered the jibs
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: from all those people in the Bronx and Manhattan. So yes,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: that team meant a great deal to the people who
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: lived in the borough, the Borough of Churches.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: I might add, Now, even though there are teams that
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: play in Queens and Bronx and Manhattan, they all bear
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: the name New York. What do you think it means
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: to the residents of the borough that this team, the Nets,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: in their new stadium, will be called Brooklyn.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure how it will happen, but if it
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: worked as it did with the Dodgers and baseball, it
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: will endear the team to the residents of the borough.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: There is a great deal of civic pride in the borough,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: and I'm sure and I certainly wish the Nets well.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: It is ironic that the Nets are going to be
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: playing at the exact spot in Brooklyn where Walter O'Malley
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: wanted to build the geodesic dome that would have contained
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: the baseball team. So Robert Moses turned him down, he
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: moved out, and now lo and behold, fifty some odd
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: years later, they're building a stadium and it'll house a
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: basketball team.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: When the Dodgers did move and you came along out
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: west with them, how long did it take in your
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: mind for them to stop being the team from Brooklyn?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: And it truly become the Los Angeles Dodgers.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: I think probably the second year that they were here. Yeah,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: that fast. The reason was when they came out here
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: in nineteen fifty eight, they had to make a decision, well,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: we bring veteran players who are by and large somewhat
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: over the hill, or should we bring kids and tell
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: everybody that we're building for a championship team. Well, they
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: opted to go with the well known names, and that
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: team finished seventh in an eighteen league. The next year,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: that team not only won the pennant, it won the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: World Series. And in nineteen fifty nine, all of a sudden,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: those guys from the East was suddenly these guys from
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: the West.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: Our guys out here. You got it. You bring back
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: your voice brings back a lot of memories for a
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: lot of people. And you said that you're you like
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: to be a bridge. You told the other times you
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: like being a bridge to previous generations. What doesn't mean
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: to you to be a bridge a connection of Brooklyn Bridge.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: If you were to the team's time in Brooklyn, well,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: that bridge is covered with cobwebs. Most of the people
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: that I knew and I was back there are gone.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: I don't go back there myself anymore more. So I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: don't run into people who will say, gee, you remember
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: the old days, et cetera. So for me, and I
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: mean nothing except what I'm saying, it's kind of the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: disappeared into the mists of time. It was a wonderful
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: place at a wonderful time. And now eventually, as you
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: do in life, you turn the page.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Well, the New Jersey Nets are turning the page. Moving
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: to Brooklyn is a pleasure to visit with a part
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: of the Brooklyn pro sports past. Thank you Vin, Thank
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: you Jay very much.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: There's I'll just be honest, it's always so comforting to
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: hear Vin. You know, I'm of you and I are
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: of a certain age. I mean, we just you got
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: to grow up with him in La but you know
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: I got I did get him every week on the
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Saturday game of the week. And then and the greatest
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: thing happened with baseball extra innings, and I remember that
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: moment in the early odds where I, oh, my god,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: I get to hear Vin Scully every day every night.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I started falling asleep to Vin Scully. You know,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: during my I think my early thirties, all thanks to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: the mL be out.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: I remember when I was working in Washington, d C.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: In the mid nineties and I was at the office,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: left the post and I get into my car and
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: I'm driving home, and Vin was doing the national radio
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: broadcast at that time. He was no longer, I guess,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: doing the NBC games. And I just turned on the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: radio and hearing Vin Scully's voice, and it just took
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: me back to being like twelve years old and being
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: at the beach in the summertime hearing Vince Scully on
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: the radio, and that voice just transports you, and it
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: can take you to so many places. And so I'm
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: so glad that I had I had just had this
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: interview sitting on my hard drive. I thank god I
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: saved it. It survived a few migrations from computer to computer,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: and I still have it. And I just thought, you know,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: it'd be perfect. What a great opportunity, you know, now
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: that we're doing this podcast. I think it would fit
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: right in with the historical look. And who better to
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: provide that perspective than Vin Scully among the living? Who
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: would be better than Haimi Herenz. So we got to
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: hear from both of them.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: I mean I honestly, people are going to want to
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: just mute you and I at this point.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: One of the other segments that we will be doing
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: in this in this episode for every one of our
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: pairings here, when we do our deep dive itself on
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: the history of the franchise and then bring you sort
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: of an insider guest like we've done today, we're also
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: going to answer your questions or you or respond to
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: your comments and feedbacks and critiques from our deep dive.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: And we're going to get started now. So we're both
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: going to do our best to answer some of your questions.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Some of them we're not going to know the answer,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: but we'll have some opinions about it. But I will
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: grab the first question because I did a tiny I
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: was obsessed with this myself, so it comes from YouTube.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: First question, what are the teams outside of the Dodgers?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Was Los Angeles looking at bringing in Well, LA was
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: definitely shopping for a team they definitely wanted. They were
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: this arguably a decade long project, right, it was all
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: about bringing doing this, bringing it out to LA and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: there were a couple of teams look that ironically it
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily you know, the Brooklyn Dollarge, as we told you,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: were making money in the fifties, but the New York
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Giants were not making money. And another team, and at
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: the time, the owner of the New York Giants was
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: looking at Minneapolis. Minnesota was the place. And then eventually
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: O'Malley talks him into San Francisco and they and they
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: create this West coast pairing. But the other struggling team
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: on the East Coast was the Washington Senators, who of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: course would frankly move twice, you know, once once to
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Minnesota eventually in sixty one. But Calvin Griffith, who was
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: the owner of the Senators, was also arguably if O'Malley
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: had if William Moses had relented on Atlantic Yards in
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn and it had become a and allowed him to
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: build a stadium in Brooklyn, I have a feeling it
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: would be an American League team that would have been
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: in LA first. And you know how about that JAA
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: with the Washington Senators, who eventually that version became the Twins.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: The second version of the Washington Centers became the Texas Rangers.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: If you're keeping score at home, but it probably would
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: have been the Senators because Calvin Griffith was definitely, for
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, the Senators could never draw here in DC.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: It's kind of funny they played the Twins pretty early
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: on in the sixties, right, So, and.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: That was right, which was and it was a lot
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: of the last there was remnants of the Washington Senators team.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: I think that was a Frank Coward team, if I'm
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: not mistaken.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's someone. I was watching that Dodger World
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: series DVD collection that I that I had, So it's
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: it's funny that it could have been the Giants too.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: There's there's some some interest there. It's so hard to imagine,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: like does any of this work if it's not the Dodgers, right, Like, well.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: We've seen, right, the Angels didn't take the way the
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Dodgers took right, right, and the Angels came arguably right
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: right then, right right, and you know they never you know,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: it's funny when it's been it was La Angels, then
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: it was California Angels, then it was Anaheim Angels, then
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: it was the La Angels of Anaheim. Right, They've struggled
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: with this suburban identity crisis. Frankly their whole their whole history, and.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: They just never resonated. You know another thing, when I
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: was at the LA times, they just you could ride
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: about the Angels and it just would get no traction.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: Right like, once you got cared to Orange County, nobody
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: in LA just cared about you know.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Some baseball history.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: Nut.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Fifty years from now, it's going to say, wait a minute,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: the Angels had Trout and Otani never they never went
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: to the World Series or the playoffs.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: So much the playoffs. Yeah, it's awful. Next question from
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Sam Los Angeles, what are the three worst trades of
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: Dodgers have made since moving to LA. I don't know
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: about three, but I can definitely tell you one and two.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: Number one, Yeah, Peder Martinez for Delano Deshields and they
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: traded him to the expos I remember the thinking behind it.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: A Martinez wasn't even the best Martinez brother at the time. Yeah,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Ramone Martinez had been great. Then Ramone hurt his shoulder,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: I believe, and just was never quite the same. And
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: I remember they needed some help in the lineup, you know,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: they needed an infielders. So that was the rationale behind it.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: They felt like they had somewhat of a surplus on
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: the pitching staff, so they could afford to let Pedro
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: Martinez go. And I remember thinking, this guy seems pretty good.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to act like, oh, I knew this
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: guy was gonna be one of the all time greats
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: and Cy Young Award winners and all that, but I
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: remember thinking, this guy looks pretty good to me. That
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be so quick to get rid of him. So
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: of course that came back to haunting the other one.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think hurt as much in terms of what
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: they lost in the production they got back, but just
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: the blow to the fan base, and that was trading.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Mike Piazza May fourteenth, nineteen eighty eight, nineteen ninety eight,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: excuse me, Mike Piazza and todds Eeld Catcher go to
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: the Florida Marlins for and Well Barrios, Bobby Benia, Jim Eisenwright,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Charles Johnson, and Gary Sheffel. Then, Chuck, you might remember this.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: He was probably only in Marlin for like a few
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: days right before then they sent us.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: It was an immediate you know, it's funny, you know
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: the Marlins back then, we're still sort of in this
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: hit or miss stage of try to They were trying
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: to manufacture buzz, right, so they were buying players it.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: You know, it was the original ways God, and again
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not going to go down this rabbit hole.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: I've got so many strong opinions about how basically Bud
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Selik picked the wrong owner on that one. But and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: it's still a problem today, you know, And it's such
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: a shame to see. I already seen the mocking of
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: the Marlins. You know, their their their home opener, their
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: weekend the twenty Here we are in early twenty six
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: and it was just after the World Baseball Classic has
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: all these great sellouts at Marlins Park, and then quickly
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: the Marlin's coming. If nobody comes, you know, it's we
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: know the fan base exists, you just have to invest
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: more in it.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: That was that one that was a Fox trade, wasn't it.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: And that's what made everybody turn on them as owners.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: You're like, what are you guys doing?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: And they never could recover from that. So Sheffield wound
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: up staying the longest of that group. I mean, they
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: got a lot back from Piazza and Charles Johnson was
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: considered probably the best defensive catcher at the time. But
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: but and and I looked up Sheffield actually hit more
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: home runs as a Dodger than he did for any
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: other team. He had one hundred and twenty nine homers
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: as a Dodger.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: That's more than he hit in six And there's still
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: a reasonable chance Sheffield gets into the hall.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll see if the get out of change. But
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: you know, nine home runs, seventy six RBI, right.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really just the rumors, right that.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it hurt him. Yeah, so so he did fine
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: as a Dodger. Yeah, we don't necessarily think of him
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: as a Dodger. But again, more home runs in that
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: Dodger uniform than anywhere else. But he could never overcome
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: the shadow of Piazza. He was never going to be
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: as beloved as Mike Piazza in there, and that Fox
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: ownership group was just never going to be loved after that.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: If you were a big follower of.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Rookie Dodgers, the Konerko trade is one that irks some
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: true blue old you know, I don't know if it's this,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: it's it's like it doesn't compare to the other two.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: But it was one of those Kanerko was sort of
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: like a lower a lower grade version of trading Pedro.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, this guy's going to be good wherever
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: he goes.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: I know it. And he was. You Bill Buckner, Exullcliffe.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: Those are some guys that went on to have success elsewhere. Right.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you one.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: That's always it's not necessarily a trade, but it's one
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: that's always bugged me that they didn't figure it out,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: which was Dave Stuart.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Why did they not unlock Stuart? You know, I always
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: felt that one was a loss.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Like wait a minute, he goes on and is one
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: of the greatest pictures ever in Oakland A's history. How
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: did the Dodgers not unlock Dave Stewart?
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: I think it's another situation where they just had a
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: lot of you know, he was a reliever when he
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: was with.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: The Dodgers, right, They didn't really how they never.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: In fact, I remember when it started, was like, huh,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I wonder why the Dodgers never wanted him as a starter,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I wasn't you know, we didn't have
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: the info back then in the way we follow you'd
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: get all this little you know, all these little inside
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: nuggets about about development, picture development, all this stuff.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: All right, let me go, Luke.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Let's see here from Luke and carls back California, Sandikofax
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: and Clayton Kershaw are clearly the two best starting pitchers
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: the LA Dodgers have had.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Who in order do you.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Think are the next five best? That's an interesting automatic.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ready to say that Nucombe
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't belong in that. In the conversation with I mean, I.
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  Speaker 3: Said, lads, yeah, okay, that's fair. Lucom comes up with Brooklyn. Right,
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  Speaker 3: do you go Oral Hersheiser or Fernando don Son's.
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  Speaker 2: In the Hall of Fame, boy, the Don Sutton thing.
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  Speaker 1: Don Sutton grew up near where my wife grew up,
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  Speaker 1: in the Panhandle of Florida. So I have the soft
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: spot for Century Florida. I think Century Florida. It's this
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: tiny little basically Flora Bama border town Buck Showalter, so
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  Speaker 1: I think grew up in the similar in that neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think we all sell Sutton short, don't we.
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  Speaker 2: Do?
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  Speaker 3: We don't I remember him? He you know, he gets
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  Speaker 3: to three hundred and twenty four wins. I remember them
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: barely getting three, he gets a three unto twenty four,
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  Speaker 3: and so that's what put him over. But he never dominated.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: He only had one season where he won twenty games.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Back you know, coming up in the era where twenty
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: game you know, some teams had an entire staffs have
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: won twenty game seat, right, So that's the thing. He
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  Speaker 3: was never dominant led the league and earned run average
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: one year in nineteen eighty actually the year before Finnano
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  Speaker 3: gets there. Right, So that's the thing. He was just
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: never dominant, but collective body of work, right, he was
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: really really good for a long time. Right. So he
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: was a part of those seventies Dodgers that we talked
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: about in the main episode about how they were. We
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: mentioned them among the memorable teams of the seventies, even
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: though they didn't win the World Series in that decade.
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  Speaker 3: So's he's got me in the top five. I put
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: him below hers Eizer Jie just for the impact. But
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: put it this way, he didn't pop into Haimi Hereen's mind.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't when we were talking.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he said, you're right, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of the omission should mean something, so oral.
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  Speaker 3: And Fernando would have to go above him.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, you know, I think you put both
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: of those there, and then you know, look again, we're
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: going to go back to recency bias.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, Yamamoto's on his way.
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  Speaker 3: He may be on his way.
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  Speaker 2: He feels that, you know, let's see a couple more years.
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  Speaker 2: He got a We got a long way to go,
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  Speaker 2: but but we may be not right.
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  Speaker 3: You think we could get to a point where shoey
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: O Tane is a top five Dodger pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think he'll pitch enough innings for us to
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  Speaker 1: have that conversation over the next five years.
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  Speaker 3: I doubt it, but that would be something that really
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: be something if he could or will. Yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 3: all right. From Laney in Arizona Doctor's nineteen eighty eight
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  Speaker 3: World Series lineup was lesson stellar. Can you name the
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: batting order in her positions? Well, I can't name the
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  Speaker 3: batting order. I very intentionally did not look this up.
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  Speaker 3: Good for you.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't looked it up yet. My obsession was Mickey
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  Speaker 2: hatch Right. Well, I'll never forget, don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think Hatcher started though. I don't think he
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: was in the starting lineup. I thought he was.
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  Speaker 1: Here's my great memory from that. I believe Bob Costas
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: said this is the worst World Series lineup of all time,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: and Tommy heard the comment and just kept trolling Costas.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: You tell Bob, you know, yeah, the worst lineup whatever.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: It was this running if I remember, if my memory
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: serves a running like almost back and forth between Tommy
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, using the Costas criticism to just say, hey,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: they think you're terrible.
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  Speaker 2: You could just picture how probably Tommy was using that
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: at the clubhouse, right.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: But I remember remember that second baseman, Steve Sacks, and
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he let off in the World Series.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: I do know he let off on opening Day and
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: a home run on the very first pitch. I do
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: remember that I was. I was that opening day that year.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: So Steve Sacks second base, lead off. At least during
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: the regular season, Gibson was not playing. I can't remember
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: who took his place. I remember John Shelby was in
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: the outfield from Baltimore Oriole Baltimore. Yeah, yeah, he had.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: He had come in Mike Drew and was around there.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Mike Davis right right. The funny thing, he's the guy
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: who got on base in front of Gibson.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it had a horrible year that so they they
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: really retooled that that team going into that year and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Tim of Thesorda called them the Awesome five. Let me see,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: I can remember all the guys, the Awesome fivesome. So
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Mike Davis was one, Kirk Gibson was one, Shelby I
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: think was one, Alfredo Griffin shortstop, right maybe right from
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: the Yeah.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: It was a it was very free agent.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: It was very Undodger like, yeah, because none of the players,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: you know, other than Marshall and Sosia were developed weped right,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: The Dodgers were always the farm system team, right, And
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: this was the eighty eight team was I think meant
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: to be a transition year. They knew, right they were
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: on the verge of having four straight rookie of these
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: rookies of the year would be coming. So the system
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: was filled and it was coming. But I think eighty
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: eight they never.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Intended to be a contender, and I think they just.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: I think they did just because Gibson, you know, Gibson
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: that was and those were some big name freezing but
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: guys like Davis and Shelby just did not produce for them,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: So now I'm looking it up. So Sosia Franklin Stubbs
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: at first base. Forgot about his Stubbs.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: He was a farm farm guy that they were hopeful on.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mariano Duncan. I thought Mariono Duncan had, but uh,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: I thought it was Alfred of Griffin Broke. They got
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: Mario and it was too by the by then, I thineah,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: maybe by then. Pedro Barrero, I don't remember him still
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: on that team. Mike Marshall, I do remember him, John Shelby,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: Kenny Landro, Yeah, and I played fifteen games.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: And even the pitching staff, right, you had this great
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: oral here, you had Frankly, Fernando wasn't his best year.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: Bob Well's still there. Fernando's fourteen fourteen, Bob Well's fifteen
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: and nine. Rick honey Cut was two and twelve.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Honey Cut was supposed to be a big that was
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: supposed to be a big addition, and he.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: Was thirty three years old. So they got all these guys.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: It's funny. That team was kind of like the Angels.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: The Angels used to always get the big names, and
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: you're to get him, Yeah, exactly Reggie Jackson or you know,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: all these great players that they'd get that were not
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: quite in their prime. So, uh yeah, Mickey Hatcher was
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: thirty two, Shelby was only twenty nine. Wow, but uh yeah,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: he just he just had a real drop off from
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: his previous Ye, Mike Marshall.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: The last question.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: In some ways we discussed quite a bit in the
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: first part. But let me get out to you somehow,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: year after year the Dodger farm system is rated one
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: of the best of baseball. How did the Dodgers do
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: that given that they usually pick last or almost last
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: in the draft. But I think we just learned baseball draft.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: My brother in law, Jay is a seam head. Like
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: I said, Payanandle of Florida, which is just a hotbed
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: of high school baseball, and he follows this and one
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: of the things he loves to do is to go
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: back ten years and look at the first round draft
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: picks right and see how they do. And unlike both
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: football and basketball, boy, the hit rate in the first
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: round of the manor League, baseball draft has gotten better, right, Like,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: the hit rate is certainly getting closer to being what
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: you see is the hit rate for starters in the
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: NFL draft, and even you know, and the NBA is
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: still sort of weirdly's the hit rate's a little less.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: It seems like it'll get better.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: But you know, as we've chronicled, whether it's starting with
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: branch Rickey going on with just the Dodgers have always
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: had a culture of investing in developmental parts, right, whether
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: it's the Dominican, whether it was the Vero Beach, whether
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: it was doing what they did in Japan. I mean,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: they just have always been this way.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: And making the right calls, right, as they said, they
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: didn't always you know, they're not drafted in at the
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: top every year, but sometimes it's not where you drafted too.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: You draft right. So I'm looking Clayton Kershaw was the
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: number seven overall pick, right, that's not too far down,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: but it still ain't number one, and he's definitely the guy. Right.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Remember there's a guy named Chad Billingsley that they thought
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: was going to be the Drysdale to Kershaw's Kofax.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: So Evan Longoria was probably the other main guy out
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: of that draft. But Max Scherzer was in that draft.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: So Surezer was the number eleven pick in that draft.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: Tim Michiko was the tenth pick by the Giants, So
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: you'd rather have pick seven, ten, and eleven. Number one
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: was Luke hoochivar One the only playing eighteen games for
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: the Royals, Greg Reynolds to Longoria three, Okay, Brad Lincoln
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: played fifty three games. Right hand pitcher was a number
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: four pick for the Private So the Pirates, right, there's
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: a great example. There's a team that's always drafted. I
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: and how many guys other than Paul Schemes that we
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: talk about from the Pirates come up through their system, right,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: So it's clearly not just about having you know, high
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: draft picks. But I really think you have to give
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: the Dodger development system, the minor league system, the Dodger way,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: and and.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Even now look what they've adopted right by hiring Friedman,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: who sort of had to do it on a budget
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay, right, using it analytics, trying to get
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: advantages any other way. He didn't have a money advantage.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Now you're taking that, throwing money on top of it,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: and you know you're seeing them. I mean, I feel
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: like the Dodgers have pioneered this idea that hey find
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: players that can play four positions and then plug and
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: play in the lineup any way you want, right, which
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: is really the raise way. And I'm actually starting to
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: watch a version of this with the Nationals, who hired
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: a bunch of the joke as Tampa Bay Ray interns.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: But they're sort of trying, you could. You can see
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: there's something about, you know, using that finding any efficiency
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: that you can, and then, like I said, you throw money.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: On top of that, you know, you know, and then
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: it comes into play. Yeah, we think of them as
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: a free agent loaded team now in trades, right, like
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: the trade for Mookie Betts, but they really still believe
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: in having a strong farm system so that they can
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: go out and get the pieces that they need. Right,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: so you can make a you can make a trade
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: at the deadline to fill in a gap in the
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: bullpen or you know, maybe need.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Nationals the Dodgers two best farm system guys in exchange
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: for Susier and Turner Key Bittrize at the time in
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: Josiah Gray. Now turned out the Dodgers knew what they
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: were doing.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: On that.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: But the point is you're right, like they used that's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: what they dangled in front of the Nats, which was
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: mostly really a trade turner. Trade Susier was at the
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: end of his contract. But no, it's it's what they've
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: pulled off a few times. And look, there's gonna be
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: They're gonna lose a Pedro mart There's gonna be another
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez, you know, for some other team.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: Page had already come up to the big though. I
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: don't worry about prospects, prospects and anything like Pedro. We'd
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: seen it in the majors already in and they.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Still Oh god, no, Pedro is the most paidful in
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: so many ways.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: Well there, it is, uh Jay. They can keep submitting questions.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, so feel free to go to our social media.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: The handles are at Dynastic Pod. You can submit questions there.
• 1:30:02
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• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: want to get to us, you can find directly to
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: check her myself via social media. Welcome your feedback and
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: we'll try to get your questions on these episodes.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: And folks might even recognize I got some people have
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: sent it for my other work, and we will the
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: question will find us here the next episode, our next
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: deep dive, We're going to the NFL, but also a
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: team that's been in the NFL a very long time,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Steelers, looking forward to that