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Mail-In Voting and Ballot Restrictions Q&A · Uncensored Objection

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  SPEAKER_00: We want to talk about what's happening.
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  SPEAKER_00: We want to answer your questions live.
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  SPEAKER_00: We want to really give everybody some insight as to what they can do
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  SPEAKER_00: to protect their midterm votes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's going to be an interesting couple of months, Meredith.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's great to see you, too.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm so glad we're having this conversation.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it's really important.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you're the guy to do it, Mitch,
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  SPEAKER_02: is to address the facts,
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  SPEAKER_02: quiet the noise,
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  SPEAKER_02: make sure people know exactly what's going on and,
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  SPEAKER_02: as you said, what they can do to protect their votes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So would love you to dive in and set the stage for everybody about where we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, how did we get to where we are right now,
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  SPEAKER_00: where voting in the midterms has become an issue,
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  SPEAKER_00: has become a problem, quote unquote.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Meredith and I are going to go through probably five or six important key topics
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  SPEAKER_00: and questions and answer your questions today.
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  SPEAKER_00: But let me go ahead and set the stage over the next couple of minutes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And by the way,
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  SPEAKER_00: Meredith,
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to thank all the live Viewers that are joining us right now, thanks you guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: For those of you watching the recorded version of today's show, we appreciate you being here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Share this out.
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  SPEAKER_00: As people are coming in,
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  SPEAKER_00: let me give a brief overview and foundation to what's going on and why this is
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  SPEAKER_00: so important.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the United States Constitution,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's Article 1,
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  SPEAKER_00: Section 4,
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  SPEAKER_00: states that powers the The states have the power to set the times and the places and
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  SPEAKER_00: the conditions and how they're going to hold federal elections.
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  SPEAKER_00: That particular article in the Constitution doesn't mention the President of the United States.
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  SPEAKER_00: And while the Constitution vests different powers,
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  SPEAKER_00: to the President of the United States,
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  SPEAKER_00: especially to implement and take care that the laws are faithfully executed.
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  SPEAKER_00: It does not grant the President of the United States any specific powers over elections.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I want people to know that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of like the starting point, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden,
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  SPEAKER_00: after hundreds of years of elections in the United States,
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  SPEAKER_00: This is starting to become an issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it really an issue?
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So about five months ago, Trump signed a And I'm going to talk about that executive order.
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  SPEAKER_00: But Meredith,
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  SPEAKER_00: what's interesting is before he signed that executive order,
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  SPEAKER_00: he actually told Republican lawmakers that passing
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  SPEAKER_00: a strict voter identification law,
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  SPEAKER_00: cracking down on mail-in ballots,
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  SPEAKER_00: would give Republicans an advantage in the midterms and,
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  SPEAKER_00: in fact, would, quote his words, guarantee the midterms for his party.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what's interesting is he's telling us what he's thinking,
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  SPEAKER_00: what's important to him,
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  SPEAKER_00: and it's to guarantee a victory for Republicans in the midterms.
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  SPEAKER_00: Having said that,
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  SPEAKER_00: he came out with executive order 14-399,
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, like four or five months ago, and the executive order has three parts.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is what everybody needs to know.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm kind of paraphrasing here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Part one is Homeland Security would build a list for each state of everyone who is
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  SPEAKER_00: a confirmed citizen and who will be 18 years or older by Election Day.
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  SPEAKER_00: It would send this list to each state.
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  SPEAKER_00: Steve McLaughlin
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  SPEAKER_00: The Attorney General would make it a top priority to investigate and prosecute state
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  SPEAKER_00: and local election officials who hand a ballot to someone not allowed to vote.
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  SPEAKER_00: Meredith knows, I know, most of you already know, it's illegal to cast ballots.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that the Postal Service will not deliver a mail ballot to anyone whose name
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, once again,
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  SPEAKER_00: you didn't hear about the Postal Service being named in
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  SPEAKER_00: the United States Constitution as having anything to do with our elections,
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  SPEAKER_00: specifically our midterm elections.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when you put all these together in the executive order,
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  SPEAKER_00: the real effect is that the government would decide who gets a mail ballot and
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  SPEAKER_00: who is eligible to vote in a particular state based upon a list provided to
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  SPEAKER_00: the state's Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: I want everyone to keep in mind that Trump forever has been talking about You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: cheating and corruption when it comes to elections.
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  SPEAKER_00: And people need to understand there's absolutely no evidence of any widespread fraud
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  SPEAKER_00: when it comes to elections.
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  SPEAKER_00: An election fraud database maintained by the Heritage Foundation,
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  SPEAKER_00: a conservative think tank, you know, the group behind Project 2025.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to have you jump in, Meredith, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_00: But this is just something that everyone needs to know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did a survey.
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  SPEAKER_00: They did a study.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they found just under 300 cases of proven fraudulent use of mail-in votes
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  SPEAKER_00: in absentee ballots.
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  SPEAKER_00: And by the way,
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  SPEAKER_00: when we say fraudulent,
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  SPEAKER_00: we're talking about people who are U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: citizens that didn't register correctly,
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  SPEAKER_00: who could have voted had they registered correctly.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's including people that should never vote.
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  SPEAKER_00: What we're talking about is over a 43-year period from 1982 to 2025,
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  SPEAKER_00: what we found is that over a billion ballots were cast,
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  SPEAKER_00: and of those billion ballots,
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  SPEAKER_00: There were about 300,
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  SPEAKER_00: according to one study by the Heritage Foundation,
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  SPEAKER_00: where they shouldn't have been cast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Also in 2025,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Brooklands Institute found that fraud accounted for only 4 out
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  SPEAKER_00: of 10 million ballots mailed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so the entire issue in the first place is an issue that doesn't even exist.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's an issue that's been...
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  SPEAKER_00: Talked about and created for the original reasons
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  SPEAKER_00: that we just heard Trump say earlier, it will help the Republicans win the midterms.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: what's kind of interesting is the Supreme Court in its emergency order yesterday,
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  SPEAKER_00: excuse me,
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  SPEAKER_00: everyone,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's early here in Southern California,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm just getting going, came down and said the justices, excuse me,
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  SPEAKER_00: The Supreme Court lawsuits were filed,
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  SPEAKER_00: states filed lawsuits, independent agencies and groups filed lawsuits.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yesterday,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Supreme Court came down and said that Trump And
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  SPEAKER_00: the Trump administration could implement an executive order that he signed,
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  SPEAKER_00: the one I talked about, which directs the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Postal Service to help decide which voters should receive mail-in ballots.
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  SPEAKER_00: Under the executive order,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Department of Homeland Security will also create lists of U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: citizens that the administration believes could be used to monitor voter rolls
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  SPEAKER_00: for non-citizens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, here's the part that bothers me.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you look at the Supreme Court's order,
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  SPEAKER_00: the opening sentence of the actual order says,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I quote,
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  SPEAKER_00: after About five months ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: President Trump issued an executive order designed to maintain public confidence
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  SPEAKER_00: in federal elections, end quote.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a huge problem with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's not why the executive order was initiated by Trump.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lawrence O'Donnell last night also directed his attention immediately to that first sentence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when I saw Lawrence talk about this, I said, bingo, I've got this.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's exactly what I thought too.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so people need to be aware of exactly what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, Meredith, that's kind of the overview.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's important that
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  SPEAKER_00: the dissenting justices stress the fact
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  SPEAKER_00: that this last-minute type of gymnastics,
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  SPEAKER_00: when it comes to mail-in ballots,
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  SPEAKER_00: when it comes to getting the government involved
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  SPEAKER_00: in something it hasn't been involved with before, We're in interesting times.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot going on.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
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  SPEAKER_00: Meredith,
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  SPEAKER_00: with that kind of summary of an overview,
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  SPEAKER_00: what are your thoughts with being a journalist that's basically traveled around
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  SPEAKER_00: the world, that's dealt with issues like this all over the globe?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, have you seen anything like this before in the past?
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  SPEAKER_00: History leaves clues.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are there some things we need to learn from all of this?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well...
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, first of all,
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  SPEAKER_02: thank you, Mitch,
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  SPEAKER_02: and a hearty thank you to everybody who's taking time out of their day to tune in.
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  SPEAKER_02: I hope you all leave a little bit better informed.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why we're doing this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I have seen this.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have seen this in places where there was no real dance,
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  SPEAKER_02: but voting was shut down, machines were removed.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've seen it in places in Africa where they have,
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  SPEAKER_02: quote-unquote, democratic elections, but the opposing...
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  SPEAKER_02: Hardee never really is given a footing for there to be real.
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  SPEAKER_02: But ironically,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of Americans might not know much about South Africa,
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  SPEAKER_02: but it's been in the news a lot lately as President Trump talks
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  SPEAKER_02: about how unfairly white South Africans have been treated and how he's extended,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, fast-track immigration to white South Africans.
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  SPEAKER_02: For anyone listening, I'm sort of honorary South Africa.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've lived there for many, many years.
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  SPEAKER_02: My kids are half South African.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I actually was a reporter in South Africa during the first Democratic elections in 1994.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the 1993 Restoration and Extension of South African Citizenship Act was almost
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  SPEAKER_02: the direct opposite of this.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was addressing inequalities that had been law for many years
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  SPEAKER_02: since apartheid government took control in the 40s.
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  SPEAKER_02: And basically,
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  SPEAKER_02: Parliament had to pass specific laws to reverse the stripping
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  SPEAKER_02: and restore citizenship to Black South Africans before the 1994 election.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so when I look at something like this,
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  SPEAKER_02: we have a president who's actively trying to dismantle a mechanism I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: in South Africa, they actively tried to dismantle a mechanism proven to exclude.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we've got a president now in America who's actively trying to break a system
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  SPEAKER_02: that has been created to make sure all eligible voters are able to participate
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  SPEAKER_02: in elections.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Mitch, I really want to come back to the Supreme Court.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I want to ask you a question about the ruling.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the precise document says the majority explicitly said this doesn't mean
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  SPEAKER_02: the order will necessarily be lawful once implemented.
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  SPEAKER_02: So on that score, they're saying time will tell.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the ruling is really about timing and jurisdiction, not necessarily legality.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what does that mean in practical terms?
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  SPEAKER_02: Are the states having to just step up and comply right away with this?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's an interesting dynamic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Basically, what the majority said is that this case, I'll use the term right, real, existing.
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  SPEAKER_00: They said that the cases that were brought were premature.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because it was premature...
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  SPEAKER_00: Basically,
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  SPEAKER_00: when you have injunctive relief,
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  SPEAKER_00: it has to be about something that's actually happening, like a decision was made.
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  SPEAKER_00: Somebody did something.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in this case,
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  SPEAKER_00: it was a scenario where the Trump administration,
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  SPEAKER_00: through this executive order,
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  SPEAKER_00: was threatening or describing or telling the states what it was planning on doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so for that procedural reason,
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  SPEAKER_00: the court came down and issued the order yesterday that it did and But it's
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  SPEAKER_00: a two-part scenario.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a two-part order because part of the order addresses whether or not
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  SPEAKER_00: the executive order that we talked about at the top of the show was valid.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the order from the court didn't rule on the legality of the executive order.
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  SPEAKER_00: The ruling of the court said, listen, this is premature.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to let the Trump administration continue to move forward
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  SPEAKER_00: with what it's doing on the executive order,
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  SPEAKER_00: Part A, But there's a Part B to the executive order.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the Part B to the executive order that we talked about is
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  SPEAKER_00: the Postal Service requiring a certain type of envelope and barcode
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  SPEAKER_00: on all mail-in ballots.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what the court did yesterday is it didn't address that particular issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, everybody?
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  SPEAKER_00: So right now, as of this moment, mail-in ballots, you know, vote early.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right now, that issue isn't barring anyone from using mail-in ballots.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what's interesting about Part B, Meredith, is that just last Friday, the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Postal Service did come down with a 90-page decision on how they were going
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  SPEAKER_00: to be implementing the mail-in ballots.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they actually did take a step last Friday to That
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  SPEAKER_00: the Supreme Court almost ignored on Monday.
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  SPEAKER_00: In other words, it's not something that may happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's something that just happened just a few days earlier.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so what the lawyers are talking about right now is
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  SPEAKER_00: the Supreme Court has just told us,
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  SPEAKER_00: okay, wait until something concrete happens before you bring your cases.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, actually something concrete happened last Friday.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so those cases are going to be brought.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: What we're going to be seeing this week
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  SPEAKER_00: and next week will be new lawsuits being filed on these same issues because it has
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  SPEAKER_00: to do with a case Purcell that you and I were talking about before we went live.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's an Arizona case that came down 15, 16, 18 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what basically the court said is,
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  SPEAKER_00: You can't have these types of cases in our court systems interfering with,
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  SPEAKER_00: confusing the voter, doing things like this at the last minute before an election.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just not equitable.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not fair.
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  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't make sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think what was interesting is the Purcell case is valid Supreme Court law,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I think it applies in this case.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, the judge that issued the injunctions...
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  SPEAKER_00: On this executive order,
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  SPEAKER_00: there are two separate injunctions by the same judge,
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  SPEAKER_00: everybody,
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  SPEAKER_00: really did do a deep dive on Purcell and use that as her rationale in coming
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  SPEAKER_00: to these decisions.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was interesting yesterday with the Supreme Court's order is it wasn't discussed
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  SPEAKER_00: at all in the 10-page decision.
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  SPEAKER_00: The dissenting justices talked about it, but the majority didn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, it's an interesting time.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at a couple of different,
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if they're coming in on Substack or my DMs, which I opened up for Q&A.
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  SPEAKER_02: I see a question here.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think you should answer from Richard Fieldhouse,
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  SPEAKER_02: who wants to know,
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  SPEAKER_02: why do you think SCOTUS gave in to Trump's emergency appeal,
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  SPEAKER_02: given that the president and executive branch have no role
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  SPEAKER_02: in administering elections?
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, why hear it as a matter of course?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, because it wasn't heard on the merits.
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  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't a legal decision that was validifying that executive order.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was more of a procedural issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you don't file something within a certain period of time,
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  SPEAKER_00: the issue is the filing date,
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  SPEAKER_00: not what was contained within that filing, for example.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you don't meet a statute of limitation and you file something within
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  SPEAKER_00: a two-year period of statute of limitations,
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  SPEAKER_00: you don't get to file it without good cause.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't care what's in the contents of that complaint.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's did you meet that time requirement in your filing.
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  SPEAKER_00: In this case,
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  SPEAKER_00: what the court says,
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  SPEAKER_00: Claims to have done,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I have concerns with what the court did,
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  SPEAKER_00: is they're claiming that from a procedural standpoint,
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  SPEAKER_00: the 22 or 23 states that filed their lawsuits did so prematurely.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so the court said, the court did say, we're not saying the executive order was legal.
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  SPEAKER_00: What we're saying is the injunction was premature.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everyone needs to take a step back.
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  SPEAKER_00: And while that injunction has been removed,
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  SPEAKER_00: Then by definition,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Trump administration can continue doing what they were already starting to do
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  SPEAKER_00: under the terms and conditions of the executive order.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that process is still in play.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about the implications of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Having said that,
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  SPEAKER_00: what a lot of legal analysts,
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  SPEAKER_00: including yours truly,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I know you feel the same way as a journalist,
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  SPEAKER_00: the fact of the matter is the injunction of Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Required the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Postal Service and the government to file documents,
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  SPEAKER_00: file arguments that this last Friday's decision didn't violate her injunction.
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want to jump in here with two things.
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  SPEAKER_02: First of all,
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  SPEAKER_02: to go back to Purcell before we totally move on,
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  SPEAKER_02: what's really interesting is Purcell's never been applied to
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  SPEAKER_02: a federal policy reaching into state voter rolls like this.
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  SPEAKER_02: The irony,
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  SPEAKER_02: in my opinion,
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  SPEAKER_02: As a non-lawyer is,
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  SPEAKER_02: the administration hasn't ruled out invoking Purcell later
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  SPEAKER_02: to shut down further challenges to its own order on the same grounds.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, you can't challenge us this close to an election.
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  SPEAKER_02: While in a Appeals Court has already rejected that move in advance,
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: saying the fear has the Purcell principle backwards.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: On the Postal Service,
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: what's interesting,
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: and we should give a shout out to Judge Talwani from Massachusetts,
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: She had a separate injunction,
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: as you said,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: same lower court still blocks the Postal Service from implementing some parts of
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: the order.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: And that case could reach the Supreme Court soon.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: So the partial block, in my understanding, remains.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a full nationwide block.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's more nuanced, but it's more nuanced than like nothing has changed.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: But people, you need to know that the Postal Service Board is a bigger structural story here.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: So four weeks before signing this executive order,
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: Trump nominated four people,
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: all Republicans,
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: three of whom were election He nominated these people
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: the United States Postal Service Board of Governors,
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: breaking a longstanding practice of bipartisan legislation.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: So none of the four have significant experience in mail, logistics, or postal operations.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: But this is,
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think,
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: a pincer movement,
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: a partisan pincer movement to go after the logistics,
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: to bully the states, to control the United States Postal Service Board.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, Mitch, what you think about that.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: And if you are worried about that, I certainly am.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: I find it worrying.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, Meredith, you're spot on.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm worried about all of these things.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm worried about—let's take a step back, everybody.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Issues regarding voter fraud,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: regarding mail-in ballots,
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: regarding all the things you see Trump and members of his administration talking
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: about on a daily basis.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: When did these all become an issue?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: When did this all become something, right?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it's all happened since Trump was first elected during his first term.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then through the 2020 election and things like this.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: And Meredith, the issue here is people are being misled.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: In his executive order, Trump said he needs to stop the Easter Bunny, okay?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: And we need to put the full force and effect of the government behind his effort
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: to stop the Easter Bunny.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody's checking to see that, hey, there is no Easter Bunny in the first place to stop.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this is just a great example of what's going on.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: They've told America that there's an Easter Bunny,
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: and I still think there is, but you know what I'm saying.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: I was going to say, Mitch, let's go easy on the Easter Bunny.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but we should.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: We really should.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: But they've told America there's a problem.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: They haven't supported that problem with any facts or evidence.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: And the judge that issued the two injunctions in her injunction ruling said,
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: you haven't shown me any evidence that there's any voter fraud and that whatever...
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Incorrect ballots or votes that were casted,
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: whether they were fraudulent or not,
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: some were mistakes,
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: some shouldn't have happened,
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: some weren't counted correctly, they wouldn't have made a difference.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: And here's something I want to do.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think this would be fun.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Let me show the video that I shared with you because I think in a minute and a half,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: Meredith, it really does kind of lay out the lack of stuff.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: I know you love the video, so go ahead and tell me.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody, I hope you love it as much as Mitch loves it.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: So Meredith has some reservations, I think.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: But I do like these kind of displays as a trial lawyer because if I was in front of
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: a jury with all these red cups, I think it does make the point.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it's about a minute and a half long.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Give me a thumbs up once I go into it, Meredith, to let me know that the audio is playing.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to screen share and see what happens.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Hang on a second.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see what happens here.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is it.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Let me look at my screen.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Let me hit share.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: And let me click.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Just hit some thumbs up, guys, if you can see it okay.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: You
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: hear it?
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: I can't hear it.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if our audience can hear it.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: Let us know.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: I think they can see it.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure they can hear it.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: So let's just read it.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Just pay attention, everybody.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: So there's no audio, Mitch.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: I think that we should sum up that what the audience is looking at is
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: that they've used poppy seeds for votes.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: And basically what he's saying is 1.2 billion votes in America.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: And there has been question about 1,500 possible fraudulent voter votes.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean,
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: and the visual here is just each of these cups is filled with a million poppy seeds.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: So it really is showing that the incidence of—and not every incidence
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: of voter fraud has been proven.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: Some of it is just,
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: hypothetical or potential voter fraud where somebody is in question— It's
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: so incredibly negligible as to fall well below any margin of error for any
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: sort
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: of voting or polling.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the point of the visual.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I hope you guys kind of got that in terms of just how minuscule the amount
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: of questions have been around voter fraud comparatively.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Sully does a good job reviewing political facts and details
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: on his different channels, Meredith.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: And if people want to listen to his audio on top of the video,
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: which I think it's well worth checking out his channels,
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: I shared that over in my notes on Substack.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: So it's one of my most recent notes.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's a great way to go about this.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, look, these are interesting times.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I just feel like the American public's getting played, you know, in multiple ways.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: On multiple days, all at once, it's overwhelming for everyone.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: And people just kind of need to pay attention to the fact that right now,
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: one particular party is extremely concerned about who's going to be voting in
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: the midterms this year.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it comes down to.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: And right now,
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: my takeaway is this is a time to,
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: if you're not going to physically vote at your local voting poll,
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: This is the time to request your mail-in ballots.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're coming out over the next couple of weeks and,
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: drop it off,
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: get it out,
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: get it done as soon as possible because right now the injunction against the U.S.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Postal Service is still in force and effect.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you have the ability to do your mail-in ballot,
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: this is the time,
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: you know, to start preparing and to do it as soon as you possibly can in your state.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting, Meredith, some states, Majority of citizens vote by mail.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: And in other states, that's not the case.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: And you look at,
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: Trump voting twice this year in the Florida elections using,
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: you know, his absentee mail-in ballots, right?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Having voted several times in the past,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: you know, so why would it be good for him, but it's not okay for the rest of us?
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't get that.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's ironic because it was a Republican-controlled legislator that created many mail
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: So this was not always a partisan issue.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: Whether you're a Trump supporter or not,
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: what this president has done is he's made everything,
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: including the Bloody Easter Bunny, I mean, everything is now partisan.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: And everything does not apply to him and his inner circle.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not okay.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I live in a rural area in Virginia.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I'm fortunate I have a car in There are people who don't.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: There are people who, I mean,
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: with petrol at $5 a gallon now,
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: there are people who can afford an 80-mile round trip to a voting station,
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: who, you know, want to vote by mail.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: There are a lot of people who live in areas that don't have amazing public transport.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: This is a, it is designed to, in my opinion, this is not fact, but to disenfranchise people who
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: are not part of the Trump ecosystem.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: They're not inclined to vote Republican, possibly.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Or like a lot of the other policies that have been enacted or repealed,
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: this is a war on people who have less than.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of us might be able to find workarounds and go in person or vote early in person.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: But there are a lot of people who rely on these systems,
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: who can't take time off during the day, who live far from a polling station.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: What we haven't talked about is the fact that this is mail-in ballots, but it's also drop-off.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: Boxes that he is trying to attack as well and has claimed that there is fraud around there.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know, you know, Mitch, I don't know how we get out of this hole now.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think some of these things will be enacted in force?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: And you started at the top of the hour talking about the fact that This could affect
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: whether or not a midterm happens in a certain locale.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: Is that really a possibility?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's always a possibility.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: I personally think the midterms are going to happen.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think more cases, lawsuits are going to be filed.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: And this particular issue for this particular midterm...
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: That can will be kicked down the road.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: In other words,
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: the stuff we're talking about now will probably apply,
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: if at all, to future elections.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm not going to assume that's the case.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: In other words,
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: I want to attack this issue like it's something we need to deal with right now
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: because it is.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: And what's really disappointing to me,
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: and Oath Matter asked a question over in the comment,
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: is there any standing for individuals?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: For instance, I'm a constituent in Michigan.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: Once things are in motion, do I have standing to bring in action?
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason I'm bringing that up is in the response to this comment is that
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: The cases right now, there are two separate cases relating to this executive order.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: The first part we heard about yesterday was a case affecting states' rights.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why you had states' attorney generals filing their lawsuits.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: And like I said, 22, 23 states, something like this.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really what we've been talking about.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: The U.S.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: Postal Service And the injunction that's still in force and effect,
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: that affects everyday American citizens.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, your ability to use the U.S. mail.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so as an individual, you can become a part of those types of cases, local community groups.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's expensive, right?
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's time consuming.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: But you can support,
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: for example,
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: and I don't have the name of the plaintiff in front of me,
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: but you can support existing actions brought by citizens that
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: to protect your constitutional rights.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: And that's one reason I'm such a big fan of the ACLU,
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: because that's what they're doing every single day.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: They get my time, they get my money, they get my support.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: I share what they're doing on social media.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think for the everyday citizen,
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: the way to go about this is find a group of individuals,
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: for example,
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: in your state that you want to support,
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: who are already Working very,
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: very hard to protect your constitutional rights and become a part of that process,
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: either with your time, your energy, or your money.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's the best way to go about it.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: But do remember, there are two separate cases, states' rights and individual rights.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: The state rights are what we discussed yesterday.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Individual rights have to do with the U.S.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Postal Service, mail-in ballots, your ability as a citizen.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: Taking a step back,
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: what gets under my skin,
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Meredith,
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: is I would love to see the leader of the free world,
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Pounding his chest,
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: insisting on everybody that can vote in the United States of America should vote.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: And we're going to make it as easy as possible for every single American to vote.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's what makes our democracy, our country, such a great place, right?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: Encourage people to stand up.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Be loud.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Cast their ballot,
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: whether it's in person,
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: whether it's by mail,
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: especially when you look at the false figures out there regarding voter fraud.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't exist.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so because it doesn't exist,
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: just like the Easter Bunny,
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: spoiler alert,
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: everybody,
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: for us as American citizens to let them continue to pound and beat these drums,
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: that there's a problem when there isn't a problem.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: And that alleged problem now is actually highlighted in the first sentence of
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: the Supreme Court order that came down yesterday,
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: assuming this is executive order was being issued for the reasons that the lawyers
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: before the Supreme, well,
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: the lawyers filing the documentation that took it up to
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: the Supreme Court are claiming were the reasons behind the executive order,
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: which by the way,
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: Contradicted himself.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: He made it really clear why he put the executive order.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: He made it very clear.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: And the trial judge actually took in the evidence in support of,
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: is there a reason to deny the injunctive relief?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Or should I be granting the injunctions?
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: And after hearing all of the facts and all of the evidence,
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: which the Supreme Court did not hear yesterday, Did not opine on yesterday.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Did not rule on yesterday.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: She did.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: And she found that there was no Easter Bunny.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's very interesting because having reported from,
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know,
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: 70 countries and lived overseas for a lot of my life,
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: I have always taken pride in our big export, and our big export is democratic norms.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: Freedom of the press,
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: and I don't just say this because I'm a reporter,
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: but that is one of the biggest exports ever.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: Our Constitution is a beacon for so many countries
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: that have based their own constitutions on ours.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: And it is absolutely sacrosanct that the executive not be involved in voting.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: It is surprising to me as a non-lawyer,
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: What the ruling was yesterday, I still am perturbed that they heard it as an emergency measure.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I agree with you.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: When I was growing up,
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: I remember my parents,
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: both my parents were journalists,
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: talking about what What a disappointment it was,
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: the lack of voter turnout in America compared to other newer democracies
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: where people were savoring their ability to vote so much that everybody turned out.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: In South Africa in 1994,
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: the first democratic elections,
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: people stood in line for 20 hours to be able to vote.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, in some ways, I agree with you.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: Wholeheartedly,
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: actually,
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: that the leaders in this country should be insisting on voter participation.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: They should welcome it.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: They should call for it because it is everything that is great about America.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: But what we have seen happening between gerrymandering,
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: which you and I covered,
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: In our last conversation a bit,
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: and this latest push,
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: we're seeing a real attempt to curtail people's ability to vote.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad you put that up on the screen.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: I was going to say we will totally include this in our notes,
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: but make sure that you do,
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: as Mitch said, check your state voter registration deadlines now.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: Make sure you're registered and everything is in order.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: Check your registration status.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: Go to the polling stations early if you can.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: Turn in your ballot physically if you can.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: And we've put up a number for the Save the Election Protection hotline on the screen.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: Mitch, is there anything else you want to add to that?
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: What have I forgotten to tell people?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, I think you nailed it.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: And for people listening to the audio and not watching the visual,
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: the number you want to call is 866-OUR-VOTE, O-U-R-V-O-T-E, 866-O-U-R-V-O-T-E.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's probably the best way to get started if you want
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: to share your thoughts and also reach out to your elected representatives
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: in Congress.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: I know at the top of my Substack I've got a resource page,
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: and at the top of that resource page is a phone number.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: Any American can call,
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: not only to talk to their own elected representatives, people don't realize this.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: You can leave a message and actually ask to talk to a senator in another state.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: This is the United States of America.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: They may not take your call.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: They may not want to take a message,
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: but use that number to share your concerns on not only these issues,
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: but some of the other related issues that Meredith just brought up
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: and also anything else that's happening in the news,
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: which seems to be each and every day.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, bother them.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's what we're paying for.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to jump in because I'm very moved by a couple of comments.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: Ginger and Oats Matter.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: Being disabled, this is an affront.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: It is wrong to make people worried in terms of their ability, their physical ability.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: I hope that you have some community around you.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: I certainly have let people around me know if you need a ride to the polls,
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_02: if you need someone to help you navigate this.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you have people in your community that Reach out however you do that.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: If you've got a WhatsApp group or a Facebook group or,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: we all need to be supportive of each other right now
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: and helping each other navigate these obstacles that are being laid down like
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: a gauntlet in front of us as citizens.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is our right to vote.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: And never, ever forget, we pay these people's salaries.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: They work for us.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: Don't let them convince you it's any other way because it's not.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: And you have more rights than they want you to think you have.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I think Americans are really good I think communities do come together.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think we need to be able to ask,
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: and I think we have to have compassion for people who are a bit vulnerable at
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: the moment and really band together and make sure no matter how you vote,
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: it is your right to vote.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: And we need to make sure to check in with people in our community and make sure
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: that we can help them to do that.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I'm looking at all the comments scrolling through.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: I had my comment screen frozen, so I didn't see a lot of these, Meredith.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: But to your point is we're watching Americans and actually people from around
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: the world helping each other in the comments by sharing links,
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: by sharing resources, by sharing encouragement.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what this is all about.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: As you said,
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: and just kind of wrapping things up,
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: these people work for us, not the other way around.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how we've allowed this to get twisted, but it's time to untwist this knot.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's time to really lay down the law as to who's working for who
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: and how all Americans are entitled to
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: And when it comes to voting,
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: we should be making voting accessible and as easy as possible,
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: especially for people that have a hard time getting around,
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: especially for people who are disabled or elderly and can't go out to the polls.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: We need to make sure that every single American has the ability
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: to execute their constitutional rights to vote.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Meredith,
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: if people want to follow up with you with specific questions,
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: follow what you're doing on Substack, how can they get in touch with you?
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I answer all of my DMs.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: If you subscribe, it's free.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: If you subscribe to me, you'll get my writing.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: You can email me.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: If you want my email, just DM me on Substack.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: I have lots of conversations with people offline,
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: people who've texted me, people who've emailed me.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: And vice versa,
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Mitch, I know you're super responsive and available and have all of your contacts.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: Both Mitch and I are also on LinkedIn.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: You can DM us on LinkedIn as well as Substack.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: Can I ask
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: you a question?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: LinkedIn, business platform.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: Are you having as much fun as I am with sharing the interaction of politics
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: and business over on that platform?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: I just am having so much fun because people, the light bulb goes on.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of CEOs and business owners at first,
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: when I post some of my Substack political posts over on LinkedIn,
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: everyone, I caught a little bit of heat.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really care.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: I know I'm right with doing that and that these trolls are wrong.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, this isn't okay.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for sharing that, right?
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's different coming from a lawyer and also a man than a woman who's a journalist.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I, yeah, I mean,
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: you definitely, like,
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: I get when I post factual posts or clips of interviews, I get men pushing back.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: And it used to kind of breeze me a little bit when somebody would come at me in
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: a very, um, You know, I'm all for a polemic, but there's a way to do it.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: There's a way to argue respectfully.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: And now I actually just say,
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: when you want to come at me with facts and have a conversation,
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: I will go head-to-head with anyone, but don't be performative at my expense.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's a double-edged sword.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: You can get a little bit of that on Substack, too.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that right now there is so much animus towards I also get a lot
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: of people from overseas, friends of mine, colleagues of mine, saying,
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: Excuse my language.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: What the fuck is going on?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what is actually going on in America?
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what is it like living there?
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that it is really important we keep reporting,
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: we keep sharing, we keep engaging with the public.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: And what I love about You, Mitch,
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: is you jump in always to make sure people understand the facts,
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: understand what's happening.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's not about noise.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's not about clickbait.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's really making sure that everybody really understands what's going on.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's super important.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm so glad that we've connected and can have these conversations.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's why this is our second show together, and I'm sure there'll be more to come.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at the comments.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at the comments.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I know we kind of talked about yesterday's case and mail-in ballots and voting
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: and things like that.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: But boy,
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you,
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: when I look at the pulse,
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: the emotion,
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: the things that people are commenting on,
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: the anger,
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: the concern, the unknown, it's so much bigger than what the topic of this show is.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: People are looking at,
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: let me scroll back,
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: because I think,
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Billy says, hey Mitch, I think our country has turned into Russia or North Korea.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, Trump admires the leadership in those nations.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're seeing a lot of that, right?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so one of the things I try to do is let people know what they're seeing
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: and feeling and experiencing oftentimes is the echo chamber that they're exposed to.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's not what's really happening out there.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: And people need to understand that, right?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's like major news on television,
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: what you're seeing on your phone,
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: what the algorithms delivering
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: to you is oftentimes what these large right-wing media networks are putting out
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: there based upon not what the Trump administration is necessarily telling them
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: to do,
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: but what's happening is the Trump administration is pulling the levers from
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: The issue permits, the issue funding, the issue licenses.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas if you want to have this merger happen,
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: if you want to be able to do X, Y,
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: and Z with your network,
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: then we need you to get on board with this particular approach to presenting
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: the news.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's indirect violation of somebody's First Amendment rights by the government.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I want people to know that I actually think We're in a much better place
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: than what a lot of people think.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not naive about this.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: I agree with you, Mitch.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just going to interrupt you for a minute.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: What people need to understand,
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: and this is where I think the current president is Thank goodness he's kind of inept
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: because he controls the Senate and Congress.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: If I really wanted to be an autocrat, I would be jamming through laws right now.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_02: He is governing by executive order.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: And guess what happens to executive order?
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_02: What happens to executive orders, Mitch?
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: Are they the law?
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: They're not the law.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: And on day one of a new presidency, what happens to those executive orders?
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: There'll be a new executive order discontinuing the prior executive orders.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: And by the way, when that happens, that's a whole other show.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: But when that happens,
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: I hope one of those executive orders during the next presidency is
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: to take this guy's name off of all the things that he's slapping it up on.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: I want to say hi to Larry Weinstein, a friend of mine that joined.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's a CPA out of Texas.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: And Ted Rubin joined.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: Ted's got a huge audience around the world, Ted.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: Good to see you.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: Really appreciate.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: These guys are also very vocal on the platforms you and I are on with sharing
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: the same message that we're sharing.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: But I want people to know that a majority of Americans aren't comfortable, satisfied, happy.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: With what's happening and they want to place their vote in the midterms.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's why we're seeing what's happening right now.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's why this administration is doing what they're doing with
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: the topic we're talking about is to try to keep people from voting.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: When you look at gerrymandering and you look at all of
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: the nonsense that's taken place over the last year and a half with gerrymandering,
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: it's to suppress the vote.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: If enough people show up,
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: both in person and vote while they can with their mail-in absentee ballots, which,
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: by the way,
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: to our armed forces,
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: start to go out over the next week and a half, I believe, or two weeks.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot going on right now.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, in Virginia, early voting's already started, so check your state.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_02: Hasn't already started?
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so you have to vote, right?
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think what's going to happen,
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: and I'm not saying this just, you know, I'm an optimist, but I'm also a realist.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think what's going to happen is push away from all the negativity
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: that you see online or what you're seeing on the news and Talk to your friends,
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: your family members, your neighbors, friends at work.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: Get everybody rallied to vote.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I think if we vote, we'll be able to take back majority control in Congress.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: Why is that so important?
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: This is a game changer.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: We need to understand this.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's the only thing they need to focus on right now.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: Majority control in Congress is the power of subpoena and oversight.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's the power of the purse,
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: which is funding a lot of these activities that are either illegal
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: or we're not happy about or activities harming Americans.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's also the ability to reinstitute the separation of powers.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: I did a post early last week which shared 10 specific topics.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: In that one possibly impeachment, right?
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's one out of the 10 reasons.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: The other nine reasons are focused on what's good for all Americans,
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: not just red states or blue states,
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: but all states,
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: whether it comes to lower prices,
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_02: environmental protection, illegal tariffs.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_02: Vaccines.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's an epidemic that's been declared in Virginia now because
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: so many people—and I'm going to tell you something.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: My kids were born in England,
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: and when they were about 18 months or less than that, we moved back to South Africa.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_02: We were constantly going back and forth.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I have two boys,
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: and because I had twins and I was home with them,
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: I had a really nice nurse come to the house,
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: and I invited other women— including people's staff and whatever,
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_02: to come to my house and I would have a clinic.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what a privilege it is to have access to vaccines?
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Most people in the developing world do not.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_02: These vaccines are safe.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: They have been used for many, many decades, and they save lives.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I have spent time and raised my children partially in a place
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_02: where vaccines were not always accessible.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_02: But I really think that what you say about about getting out,
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: voting, understanding that we have power is really, really important.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: They want us to be afraid.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_02: They want us to think that all of this is a fait accompli.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_02: They want us to be worried about going to the polls or not being able to vote.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_02: And the only way to stop a bully is to stand up to a bully.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of where we are right now.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: I also want to give a little plug to journalism.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I know a lot of you mistrust the mainstream media.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I will confess, since 2016, I do not watch CNN.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't watch any American news service.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_02: I listen to BBC World News Service.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: There are a few that I read who I think are excellent and I'd be happy to make a list offline.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: Talk to your friends and family, but find a few voices you trust.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: Subscribe to them, follow them, pay for one or two if you can.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: You get what you pay for.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: News has never been free, whether it was paid for by public broadcasting or advertising.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: It is not free, it's expensive to produce, and you get what you pay for.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_02: And find somebody who you trust,
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: check out their credentials,
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: Fact check a few of their posts before you just blindly follow them or subscribe
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: to them.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: There is a lot of noise on this platform and other platforms.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: Find one or two, whoever that might be.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_02: Make sure they're talking facts and follow them.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: And also talk to other people.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_02: But you need reporting and you need good reporting.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a lot of dross out there,
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: but there's also some really, really good reporters that you can follow.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_02: So do a bit of homework,
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: do some fact-checking,
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: and definitely follow somebody who is going to make sense of the news and report
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_02: the news.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: So that's my plug for journalists.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a great way to wrap up today's show.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's so important to do due diligence and let's have each other's backs.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it comes down to.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: We're all Americans.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: We all...
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: Want what's best for our family.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: Most of us want what's best for the environment, for our neighbors and friends.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: And let's raise the bar and start acting and behaving the way we know that we should.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I think probably most people here watching this show, Meredith, are already doing that.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: And for those that aren't,
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: honestly,
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: at this point,
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: if people are still drinking the Kool-Aid, And I've told Meredith this.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: The last thing I want to do is convince anybody of anything.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's not it.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's a lost cause.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: On social, I delete.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: I block.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not interested in having a conversation.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's just me.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've got too much going on in my life.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: There's too many good people out there that I want to share and empower and do things with.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I think,
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: once again,
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: all of us coming together,
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: And continuing to empower each other to register and vote however you can
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: in your state.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: Start today.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: Check it out today.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: Find out today what you need to do if you haven't already done so when it comes
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: to registering and voting either by mail or in person,
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: which is what I'm going to be doing.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: So listen, this is great, Meredith.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: Always fun chatting with you.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone share this out.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: Follow Meredith on Substack.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always here over on Uncensored Objection.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: We have a perk on Uncensored Objection,
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: Meredith,
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: for paid subscribers where it's the same fact-checking prompt that we use here at
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  SPEAKER_00: the law firm.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: So when I see political news that breaks or legal news that breaks,
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  SPEAKER_00: we drop it into this prompt and it does a very thorough analysis
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  SPEAKER_00: by checking out everything you can think of in the world to tell me, is it accurate?
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  SPEAKER_00: Kind of accurate, maybe factually correct, but taken out of context or completely bullshit.
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  SPEAKER_00: I use that prompt every single day.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's in the perks link,
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  SPEAKER_00: everybody at the top of the site and or have your own favorite AI create a prompt
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  SPEAKER_00: for you, putting in every parameter that it can think of so that you're sharing.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_02: Claude is great for that.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think Claude is more accurate than ChatGPT.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_02: Claude is great if you really want to feed One of my pieces or another piece,
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  SPEAKER_02: if you read it and think, hmm, has this person got some chops?
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  SPEAKER_02: Are they accurate?
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  SPEAKER_02: Are they factual?
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: You can fact check and you can do it for free.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: You don't need to pay a subscription to Claude, not for that sort of use.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you let Claude know in your prompt, I want you to check, is this accurate?
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  SPEAKER_02: Is this factual?
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  SPEAKER_02: I can tell all of you listening now,
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  SPEAKER_02: That I do not report things that I don't have access to primary resources on.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mitch, I think it sounds like your fact checker does the same.
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  SPEAKER_02: As a lawyer, I'm sure you have to work on primary resource material.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just use these as a North Star and a benchmark.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mitch, this is a great public service that you do to your followers.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: This is your idea today, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is your idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: Full credit to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for reaching out yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, you're the person I try to explain when there's a big legal decision that comes down.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're the guy I want to talk to.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I hope most of you will put up your hands and say if you want us to talk
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  SPEAKER_02: about something else.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like if you want something explained and maybe we're not addressing it, ask us.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I will always make time to have these conversations with Mitch.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mitch, you're a star.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Meredith.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right back at you.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, everyone, for joining us today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Make it a masterpiece, and we'll see you soon.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: Take care.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: Bye-bye.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.