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Talks to Dylan Rees (and the ham fam) about his choice of The Tenth Planet (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None hamster with a blunt penknife
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  for. Doing quicker, quicker.
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  Quicker. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt penknife, a Doctor Who commentary podcast and we're
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  live on the Internet for everybody to see.
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  Isn't this exciting? We've started bang on time.
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  There's been no technical difficulties here.
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  We are ready to go. How are you doing tonight?
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  I'm pretty good so just to warn everybody, I've had a bit of a
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  cold this week so I may mute to have a coughing fit at certain
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  points, especially if I laugh too much.
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  That's what fires up the cough, but it should be fine.
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  I'm in need of some cybernetic lungs to improve me.
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  You will be like us, all right. I don't want.
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  To but the more you podcast for me, you are starting to sound a
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  bit like me. You know a filthy gear, Dylan,
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  what are we here to talk about today?
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  We're here to talk about The 10th Planet, the final story
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  starring the 1st Doctor Who played by William Hartnell.
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  And this is an interesting choice because when you first
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  said it, I think I had exactly the same reaction as Luke
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  Malloy. Why the fuck has he chosen that
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  story? I know it's a biggie, but I
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  don't think it's one people talk about very much.
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  It is a biggie and it was one that people used to talk about
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  all the time when it wasn't available on VHS and DVD as this
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  sort of mythical story with an amazing final part that you know
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  is sadly missing from the archives.
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  And then people actually saw it and I think they went, oh, this
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  is a bit ropey, but there's still lots to enjoy.
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  And it's a legendary story, as you say.
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  And I just, I've got a lot of time for the 10th planet, even
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  though it is imperfect. I want to say to you that I went
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  into this with no hopes whatsoever.
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  I watched this last weekend and I was basically live tweeting
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  you whilst I was watching it and I was going this is fucking
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  amazing. Like this is, this is the
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  blueprint of Doctor Who. Before it was a blueprint.
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  Absolutely. Like is this the first base
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  under siege story? I think it probably is.
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  I, I don't know whether, but maybe bits of the Ark, I don't
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  know, but I feel like this feels like the first.
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  It feels like the first Trouton story, which I know it's weird
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  because it's the last Arsenal, but it feels like it's set in
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  the blueprint, as you say, for future Doctor Who.
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  Isn't the Ark more security kitchen on the?
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  Siege. Yes, exactly.
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  That's exactly what it is. On planet on the siege.
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  But this this is based this sets the template for what's to come,
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  doesn't it? The moon base the entirety of
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  season 5. Yeah.
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  Well, I mean, the moon base comes along and basically does
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  this story a bit less, a bit better in a in about four weeks
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  time or something like that. Well, well, that is to be
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  decided as we go through this. Can anybody who cares to jump in
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  with questions or comments please do so as we go along?
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  We'll be grateful for them. Absolutely.
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  Well look, should we jump straight into episode one then?
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  Let's do it. Can we do it?
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  Are you lined up? I am always lined up with you.
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  Let's go in. Everybody in 54321.
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  Off we go. I'm not going to ask what's
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  Nathan said. It's a bit better for a bit less
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  weird, which is sad. Are we talking about, based on
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  the sea stories, that the moon base isn't quite as wit?
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  Will they? Yeah.
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  I would agree. I would agree.
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  It's yeah, the moon base is a bit more Trags, Doctor Who.
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  This sort of takes more risks, I think, and it's more interesting
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  design choices. You know, the Cybermen lose
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  something after the this initial design just because we are live.
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  My episode one started about 10 seconds after everybody else's.
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  So I'm going. So there's going to be a lag
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  plus a lag. So we'll try not to get to
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  seeing specific. Now we start off with some stock
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  footage. And from what I understand,
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  there's a fair amount of stock footage in this episode and
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  nobody knows where it's from. They can't identify the source.
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  Really. I was watching the production
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  subtitles earlier and they detailed there where it was
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  from. No, I don't think they do.
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  I think on this production subtitles they say they don't
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  know where the source is, or maybe that's later down the
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  line. If anybody knows where the from
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  that we open from here, please let us know.
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  We'd like to do a commentary on the full program that that stock
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  footage is from. What do you think about these
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  bizarre titles with the Zeds? I love them.
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  I anytime Doctor Who, classic Doctor Who does something like
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  that, I get a bit of a thrill, whether it's the space Pirates
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  or the ice warriors. And that was in his Lloyd who
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  had these special titles commissioned essentially just
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  to, you know, just to jazz things up.
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  He was trying to he was trying to make Doctor Who more
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  appealing to an older audience as well as the kids.
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  It wasn't to sort of get rid of the kids.
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  He was just trying to make it a bit more gritty sci-fi.
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  And I think this, this does have a bit of a feel of like of like
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  a quite a mass feel almost. It's suddenly a slightly
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  different programme than it was saying Season 3.
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  Weirdly enough, right? I think I feel like it's looking
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  forward because it's giving us like a a race of monsters that
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  are kind of very in tune with when this was made.
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  And it's also looking back, because it feels a bit like 50s
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  sci-fi at times. Yes, yeah, it is.
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  I mean, quite a mass was 50s, wasn't it?
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  At least. The first one was so yeah.
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  And it's got elements of the sets even feel a little bit
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  like, have you ever seen Pathfinders, which is sort of a
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  precursor to Doctor Who? Don't bother.
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  It's fucking terrible. But.
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  It's Sydney. Evening.
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  And, you know, everybody goes, oh, it's a precursor to Doctor
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  Who, but it is definitely not Doctor Who.
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  It's almost intolerable. So it would be.
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  Pathfinders fans out there. I would like to offer massive
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  kudos for Doctor Derek Martinez, director, for getting those
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  fantastic drone shots of Antarctica.
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  Well, he flew over there, didn't he, on the BBC budget?
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  And is this the only Doctor Who story to feature a load of pin
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  up models on the wall? I think it might be, but
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  they're, they're very welcome. It makes the base field lived
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  in, you know, and those, those dirty boys trapped up the, the
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  South Pole, the North Pole, who knows what they got up to.
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  Mark basically told me that if anybody female turns up on this
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  live screen, I've got to go a woman.
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  So I'll just pretend that's Nathan, all right?
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  But poor old Polly. Poor old Polly shows up.
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  She's the only woman there, and they instantly get her to make
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  some tea and coffee. You.
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  Know what, I'm going to talk a fair bit about the production
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  because I think there are some really impressive elements.
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  I love all this stuff at Ealing. The smoke is going crazy.
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  I mean to the point where nobody can see a bloody thing when they
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  come out of the TARDIS. Yes, they've gone all out and
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  it's a mixture of sawdust and polystyrene, so it's not the
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  sort of stuff you really want blowing in your face.
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  But sure enough, William Hartner was going to have a big load of
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  white stuff shot in his face the moment he stepped out of the
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  TARDIS. I'm fairly certain Michael,
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  crazy news that was going to happen, especially if I was on
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  the production team. It's often said that William
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  Hartnell is not on fine form here.
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  Now obviously we get to Episode 3 and he has a week off because
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  he's got bronchitis, but I don't really think it's true, do you?
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  Not at all. In fact, I went into this
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  assuming because that's that's the rumour that's in all the
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  house Samuel Walker's books that Hartnell, you know, is a way for
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  episode 3 and is a little underwhelming for the rest of
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  it. Actually, the weird thing is, in
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  episode one, they come in and they don't dominate the story.
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  So a lot of the drama is occurring with General Cutler
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  and his cronies and the doctors to the side quietly knowing
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  exactly what is going on. He feels like the most powerful
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  presence in the room, even though he's not sort of
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  dominating it. It's a little bit.
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  It's that trouting thing again, isn't it?
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  Like this weirdly feels like a pilot for the trouting era of
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  he's the smartest person in the room, but he's observing and
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  then jumps in when he needs to. This is Doctor Who's been taking
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  a different direction all of a sudden, a direction that it
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  hasn't been for the last few seasons.
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  Oh, look at that close up on Polly.
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  A woman. That's what happens when a woman
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  walks into a Doctor Who convention.
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  They don't look as good as Annika Wills does in in this.
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  That was you last weekend. You, Ben and Mark when a woman.
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  Lives in the room. Do you know, I've got, I've got
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  to shout out that we were at regenerations this convention
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  and there was a group of young girls.
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  So I would say we're probably about 18 and they were all
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  cosplaying Gallifrey characters and there was a panel with
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  Narvin and they all asked loads of questions.
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  There was like this mini fan group of young girls who were
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  big Gallifrey fans which I just thought was brilliant.
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  That fellow who plays Narvin, I know he's quite a short guy and
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  all that, but I think he's got something.
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  Well, there you go. He's got, he's got a lot of
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  fangirls. That's what I can tell you.
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  He's got a lot of fanboys as well.
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  Yeah, well, there we go. OK, I want to ask you about this
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  regulars line up the 1st Doctor, Polly and Ben.
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  Oh, I could do, I could do a bit more of them.
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  Like I bet Ben and Polly, I don't feel properly served in
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  Doctor Who because they're they're brilliant.
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  They're a brilliant addition. And then Jamie comes along and
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  it's all about Jamie. And I could have done a bit more
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  time with them, just Hart and all, like a season of them would
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  have been absolutely brilliant. But it's, it's not to be.
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  They feel like in this very 60s television way, they feel like
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  real characters. They feel like, God bless Dodo.
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  I'm not the Dodo hater that some people are, but she has a
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  different personality from story to story.
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  And it's just like, and it's quite a bland one a lot of the
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  time. So to have these two who feel
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  like they're fresh out of 1960s London is brilliant.
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  You know what I love in the war machine where she goes, come on,
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  Dodo. The Navy's in trouble.
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  That's how brave. I wish I was in a bar, you know,
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  especially if Ben was there. Anthony Carroll's thinks there's
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  no he goes there. Are female Doctor Who fans
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  question mark? Yeah, there are loads.
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  It's not 1997. There's plenty now, you know,
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  there's. In fact, I think that's a
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  massive service that both the new series and Jodie has done is
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  bringing this wave of female fans.
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  Yeah, and female fans tend to have less Bo at Doctor Who
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  conventions. And greasy hair, Yeah.
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  There's there's a distinct lack of carrier bags.
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  If we're, we're gonna going to do, we're going to do the
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  stereotypes. Oh my God, I love this Hartnell
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  and Warren Beatty together when he's like, I don't like your
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  tone, Sir. And you guys?
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  Warren Beatty. Don't say Warren Beatty.
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  What's his name? Robert Beatty.
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  It's like that's a bit of a catch for Doctor Who, Warren
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  Beatty, the. Doctor Who Accuracy Podcast Toby
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  Haddock just had a heart. Attack, yeah.
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  People don't come here for facts, they come here for Dick
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  jokes. Yeah, that's right.
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  And handsome men, I mean, look at us honestly.
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  No, no, no. But they do have a great
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  tension. They do and and he is again of
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  the first, maybe not the first, but one of the first in a long
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  line of Dick head generals and base commanders.
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  And he's he's not only the lead guest cast, he's sort of one of
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  the lead characters in this. Like there's a world where this
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  is the general cut the show and these other characters have just
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  shown up out of time and space. And I think he's a, he's a
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  fantastic presence. Yeah, he's.
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  Well, he's the first intransigent base commander,
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  isn't he? Yeah, Cutler.
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  So where? How does he rank?
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  Because there's many of them. I think he he ranks fairly
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  highly, You know, I mean, I take him over.
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  What's the one in the Ice Warriors?
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  Oh, leader Clint. Yeah, I take him over Clint.
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  Hobson from the moon base. Hobson's pretty good.
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  I like Hobson. He's he's very stern.
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  He he's got big granddad energy. Hobson has.
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  And just to show that they're not recycling things.
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  Robson from Fury from the Deep. Now hang on, is it Robson in sea
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  to in sea to Death? Or is it Commander Radner?
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  Is that it? No Radner's from sees of death.
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  Yeah, but that's. Radner sees of death, Hobson is
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  the. Oh yeah.
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  Hobson, Robson. Is the ice there are many
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  intransigent base God. Doctor Who Unlimited
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  storytelling potential. But the thing they do with
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  Cutler, but I think really works, is they put his son in
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  danger, so there's an emotional stake.
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  There absolutely is. And all the stuff with the
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  astronauts. I kind of forgot that his son
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  goes up there. But obviously we get the the
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  original two astronauts who meet their untimely end.
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  We also get a cameo from a Star Wars space suits, don't we?
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  Do we? Yeah, one of them's wearing
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  something that a bounty hunter wears in The Empire Strikes
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  Back. Wow, if there's any Star Wars
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  fans out there, if you could let us know please.
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  Yeah, it's one like a lizard creature, and they get the
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  bounty hunters to go after Luke Skywalker.
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  I think it is like, I don't know, I'm not a big Star Wars
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  guy, but it's definitely, definitely reappears at some
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  point. Can I ask anybody out there who
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  might be listening what is your favorite intransigent base
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  commander, please, after all that?
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  Oh, hang on, Beeble. Pete says it's Bossuk the bounty
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  hunter. Bosque, Bosque the bounty
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  hunter. Yes, the Doctor Who Factual
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  Commentary podcast. Now, this was very unusual,
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  wasn't it, having a black astronaut in this?
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  Yeah. It's Earl Cameron who's still
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  with us and that was the choice of Derek Martinez, who basically
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  wanted a diverse cast because it's that Star Trek thing of
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  we're in the future, we're not going to have the prejudices
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  that exist in the 60s. Although also, you know,
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  diversity was already happening within society many, many years
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  before, before 1966, Doctor Who. But it's just it's forward
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  thinking and going. No, there will be people from
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  all different heritages in in positions of power.
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  And, you know, and I think that's a very smart move from
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  Derek. Now that it, and it's a bold
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  move and it's a great move and it's progressive.
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  They do still kill him off though.
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  Yeah, but I mean, it's Doctor Who, everybody dies.
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  So Anthony Carroll says the first black astronaut shown on
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  TVI mean wow, quite possibly. That's something to be proud of.
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  Yeah, well done, Doctor Who. You may have you may have cast
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  the bigot as you lead, but. Joe, somebody asked me this
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  question the other day was like, you know, how do you feel about
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  William Hart, the famous sort of, he was well known for having
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  prejudices and yet you appreciate his performances.
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  And I had that conversation of being able to separate how he
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  may have behaved privately and, and his performances.
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  I've got no issues with that, but I know some people do.
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  Yeah, I mean each of their own. I I mean, I also think that
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  Hartnell sort of prejudices we, we don't really see any of them
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  in the few interviews that exist.
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  It's more sort of by reputation, and I think these things can get
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  blown at proportion slightly. Plus, you know, there's all the
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  stories of Hartnell being secretly gay with Jack Pitts.
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  Hope that's all true, you know? Yeah.
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  I live yet. To see those interviews, but I
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  think you've shocked at 10 people watching this.
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  Now go. What?
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  Hartnell's gay. My God.
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  Look, it's the appearance of the 10th planet.
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  Yes, there it is now. So Malcolm Hulk had pitched an
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  idea of Earth's twin earlier on in the in the 60s, hadn't they?
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  That that never got anywhere in the hidden planet.
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  You know, good old Malcolm Hulk, he got there first.
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  But I, I mean, the idea behind the 10th planet, it's a sort of
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  a sound one, but I'm not entirely sure what its purpose
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  is and what it's doing. It just sort of.
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  Are you drinking the WKD? No, it actually looks like I'm
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  drinking windily, doesn't it? It's it's, it's like a blue
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  fizzy drink with no sugar. Right, I see.
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  I'm saying exotic and cyber esque.
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  It does look like it's from the future.
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  Thank you. Somebody says I think Michelle
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  Nicholas was the first, but on the UK telly I think he was oh,
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  that was Mark Donaldson now. I didn't realise Michelle
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  Nichols. Nichols was actually called
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  Michelle. I always thought it was Michelle
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  until the day she died. When they announced it, I was
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  like, is her name Michelle? It was, it was.
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  And hang on, wasn't she wasn't an she wasn't an actual
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  astronaut, right? He's talking about.
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  Uhura, I mean, I mean, yeah, she was in space, but she was a
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  receptionist, a space receptionist.
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  Yeah, yeah. Hello, my meaty role here on
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  Star. Trek captain, we're.
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  Receiving a signal, God bless her.
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  You know when they did Galaxy Quiz and they brought in
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  Sigourney Weaver and her whole, her whole role was to repeat the
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  exposition that the computer's already said.
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  She's like, I've got one role to do in this thing and I'm going
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  to damn well do it. That's basically who are in Star
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  Trek. It is.
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  And she was going to quit after season one, I think it was.
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  And she ran into Martin Luther King who said we love seeing you
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  on TV, it means a lot to us. And so she stuck around.
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  It's true. Now, you said about you're not
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  quite sure what the point of the 10th planet is.
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  I mean, it's good clickbait is what it is.
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  Yes, they can advertise in the paper that the 10th planet is
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  the latest Doctor Who story. Earth's twin planet is coming
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  along with a race of ruthless robots on it, and everyone's
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  going to turn up. And actually, this did have a
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  massive rating swing because you go back a couple of stories,
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  they were hovering around 4 to 5 million.
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  The end of this story, they're back up nearly till eight again.
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  Yeah, but have now gone around about this story.
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  Well, people like the Cybermen. They knew that Hartner was
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  leaving. And who doesn't love watching
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  Cybermen suck us dry? Nathan possibly has informed us
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  that people don't say space restaurant space champagne and
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  space receptionist. Well, they should they.
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  Should. No, They should.
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  Be doing termination scripts. Exactly.
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  Exactly. Oh did right?
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  What's the Kerry? I've totally lost the plot here.
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  I mean there isn't a huge amount of plot, but I mean, but
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  essentially the astronaut. So this planet drains energy
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  from Earth, from the spacecraft and from people as well.
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  Is that right? Yeah, it basically sucks all the
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  energy. Now, I've known Doctor Who fans
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  that can do this shit, and I don't mean in a sexual way.
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  They can suck the energy out of a room.
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  Well, basically Mondas is a particularly famous super fan
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  who we all know. I'm not saying any word, but you
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  can suck the energy out of a room.
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  It's a good idea. Well, it's a.
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  It's a big. Threat.
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  Yeah, I guess so. Mondas has burnt through all its
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  own energy, so it needs ours, right?
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  Is that the thing? Yeah, yeah.
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  And and as the story goes on, it also sucks Doctor Who dry.
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  It certainly does, yes. Actually, I'm going to wait for
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  Episode 4. But I've got a big question
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  about that. OK, I'm going to give it a new
• 20:00
  series spin. This last thing.
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  Hello, Joker, BC67 says. Uhura was essentially the radio
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  operator, but she was an officer and that was the big deal in the
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  60s. That's true.
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  That is true. Just having black
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  representation. Up there in space was huge.
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  Absolutely, absolutely. And we've, we've got it here
• 20:21
  momentarily before everybody dies.
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  So this is the the the planet Mondas it the planets spin that
• 20:28
  fast. They do now, yes.
• 20:33
  What? What is there all missed around
• 20:35
  it as well? Space is is very missed.
• 20:37
  I suppose it's been propelled through space, hasn't it?
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  Because it's basically a giant spacecraft.
• 20:42
  The Doctor Who loves that idea, doesn't it?
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  It's like we're going to pilot an entire planet somewhere.
• 20:47
  Yeah, do look, that looks just like Malaysia.
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  Upside down Malaysia though, because what they've done is
• 20:53
  they've taken the planet and they've just spun it on its
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  head. That's clever.
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  I do love though how hard or completely pulls the rug now and
• 21:02
  goes. Now have a look at that bit of
• 21:04
  paper I've showed you earlier, and he's written the whole plot
• 21:06
  down before. Why do we why do we think Doctor
• 21:10
  Who's got full knowledge of what's going on?
• 21:13
  Well, he's been about a bit now, you know.
• 21:15
  Yeah, that's true. The savages have been watching
• 21:18
  him on all his adventures. You.
• 21:19
  Know he goes can can you tune in to a couple of my my future
• 21:23
  adventures, please? Thank you very much.
• 21:24
  Oh, the 10th planet. This looks good.
• 21:26
  I'll watch this. Maybe he's written it down
• 21:28
  because, you know that knows the final episode's going to get
• 21:30
  lost by Blue Peter. And before anybody types in the
• 21:32
  chat, I know Blue Peter didn't actually lose the episode.
• 21:35
  Yes. Now can we, can we debunk this
• 21:37
  then? Because I always figured that
• 21:39
  was that's the case, but Mark was telling me otherwise.
• 21:42
  No, I don't think it was. I think there's no evidence to
• 21:44
  suggest they lost it. Maybe it went, maybe a copy went
• 21:48
  walkies from there, but who knows, Maybe it's sat with some
• 21:50
  collector somewhere. Sorry.
• 21:52
  I know that that triggers Mark to have one of his, one of his
• 21:55
  moments. So we've got a question from
• 21:59
  Daniel who says if they ever do another story featuring 1 bass,
• 22:03
  there should probably be a line in there about it being the 9th
• 22:06
  planet since we don't count Pluto.
• 22:08
  Anymore. Very true, very true.
• 22:11
  When did that happen? That's a really oh 90s I want.
• 22:15
  To say at some point between the 10th planet and now.
• 22:18
  Yeah, we've got a, we've got a, an emoji from Mark.
• 22:23
  He's not happy. I think when I was at school
• 22:26
  there was nine planets, so it must have.
• 22:28
  I left school in the year 2000 so it must have happened in the
• 22:31
  last 23 years. Let's say what's going on the
• 22:36
  screen right now? So we're heading across to, I'm
• 22:38
  not sure he's like the president of the Earth or something like
• 22:41
  that. He's got, he's got, but he's
• 22:43
  surrounded by sort of mixed races.
• 22:45
  Yeah. And we're kind of doing what
• 22:48
  Rusty Davis would do later on when he brought the show back in
• 22:50
  2005. He's making it international.
• 22:53
  We don't really touch on that again after this really, do we?
• 22:57
  No, we don't. And it it just makes it feel
• 23:00
  like a a more global threat. The performance is great, though
• 23:05
  the fellas a bit wooden. Yeah, I know, but it's fine.
• 23:09
  He's he's the sort of person that's allowed to be wooden.
• 23:13
  And see, now Cutler wants more information from the doctor.
• 23:17
  Right, Yeah, I, I, I really like Cutler.
• 23:20
  I also, apparently he doesn't. He goes off script with almost
• 23:23
  every line. He sort of says that the rough
• 23:26
  edges of what you what you need to say to get the point along,
• 23:28
  but it's basically. Trout and esque performance.
• 23:31
  Exactly, he's improvised it. Nah.
• 23:33
  When did Hartnell start losing teeth?
• 23:37
  I I feel like it on. Earth, it was the gunfires.
• 23:39
  Weren't you paying? Attention.
• 23:41
  Very true. So it was it.
• 23:42
  It was in in story, was it? Yeah.
• 23:45
  Really. So no.
• 23:46
  That was a back tooth though. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:49
  So when did he start losing front teeth?
• 23:50
  I'm. Not I think he was.
• 23:52
  He was he wasn't a very well man at this point, was he The thing
• 23:57
  the. Thing is, losing your teeth used
• 23:58
  to be quite a big deal in the respect that people actually
• 24:01
  wanted it to get it. I remember my granddad pulling
• 24:04
  out his last tooth because he was very excited because that he
• 24:07
  could finally get his false teeth and that all my
• 24:10
  grandparents back in the day had false teeth because their teeth
• 24:12
  could come out. My Nan used to tell me about
• 24:16
  when they tied the string around it and put it on a doorknob and
• 24:19
  then slam the door. Yeah, no, I.
• 24:21
  Not think of anything worse. My Nan did that to me with my
• 24:25
  when I was losing my baby teeth. Traumatized from such a young
• 24:31
  age? Oh look, what's this model
• 24:33
  spaceship arriving? I think the model works really
• 24:36
  good. It's very good and in fact I
• 24:38
  love the way because they've got layers in healing, they can come
• 24:42
  up out of the floor as well. This whole sequence actually, I
• 24:46
  think is very memorable. It's brilliant now.
• 24:49
  When I was a kid, this was like one of the few bits of 10th
• 24:52
  Planet you could see. It was used on Cybermen, the
• 24:55
  early years, the VHS and I was, you know, I was a strange kid,
• 24:59
  but I was obsessed with the 10th Planet because I couldn't see
• 25:02
  it. It wasn't available to me
• 25:04
  anywhere. I would, I just needed to see
• 25:06
  it. Those cyber designs and
• 25:07
  everything I just thought were were brilliant and I used to
• 25:11
  mimic the Cybermen voices. Now I used to have a thing
• 25:16
  called an echo mic when I was a kid and it was this huge mic
• 25:19
  where you could do the cyber voices and it looks a lot like
• 25:22
  this, but it was. I've got something in the
• 25:25
  bedroom just like that you. Know I bet you have but it it
• 25:29
  was a lot bigger. So I bought this one hoping I
• 25:31
  could do cyber voices with it. But the echo's shit so you don't
• 25:34
  you don't really get anything out of it.
• 25:36
  But as a kid I would I would do that impression constantly with
• 25:40
  the echo mind go there Well not return, but I don't really get
• 25:43
  any echo out of this at all. So I spent £3.00 on this Joe
• 25:47
  £3.00. There's a load of old shit and
• 25:49
  it doesn't work. So that's my one prop.
• 25:52
  You spent £60 on them tomorrow Windows.
• 25:54
  You spent £3.00 on this. I'm caught.
• 25:56
  In this. Fortune and I.
• 25:58
  Now this cliffhanger with this cyber men sort of touching their
• 26:02
  dead bodies, how fucking creepy and alien do they look?
• 26:08
  Look at his eye inside the eye socket.
• 26:11
  It's so. I mean, they genuinely look like
• 26:15
  screaming cadavers. Don't.
• 26:16
  They they do. It's like it's this weird mix of
• 26:20
  sort of slightly hokey design and actually really creepy.
• 26:23
  And I think we'll get into the original design of the Cybermen
• 26:27
  like in the next episode, but it's a brilliant cliffhanger and
• 26:31
  they just look so alien. Them coming out of the snow
• 26:34
  because, because like I said earlier, the snow is like a
• 26:36
  Blizzard. So you can kind of, they're
• 26:38
  barely perceptible. So you can see people sort of
• 26:41
  emerging. Yeah.
• 26:42
  And there's, you know, full Emma Peel karate chops all the way in
• 26:46
  it. Absolutely.
• 26:47
  It's like, I don't know if you ever saw the cyber naughts on
• 26:50
  the. Yes, I did, yeah.
• 26:51
  And they had that sort of that whip I get.
• 26:54
  I get the impression the cyber men smacking someone like that
• 26:57
  means basically instant death. Absolutely, Nathan Bottomley
• 27:01
  says. Mine too.
• 27:02
  That wasn't just a miserable English thing.
• 27:03
  I think about the teeth and Anthony Carroll says the tooth
• 27:06
  planet. Very good answerable.
• 27:08
  Allen said Test Yes, we're receiving you, Joe, Don't worry.
• 27:14
  So that's episode one done. Absolutely flew by.
• 27:17
  Everybody pulls your episodes. We're going to go into Episode 2
• 27:20
  in just a second.