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Fraud Fridays: The Multilevel Marketing Mom with Lizz Adams · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's poppin Congregation? Is youug girl? Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release
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  Speaker 1: older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud
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  Speaker 1: Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from
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  Speaker 1: behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, stay scheming, scam.
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  Speaker 2: Come.
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  Speaker 1: Robbery and rull scam, come rob and froll dam Goddess.
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  Speaker 1: What is up? Congregation? Is Sugar Lacy mostly aka Scam Goddess,
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  Speaker 1: and we're back every week. Honey, y'all know how it goes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm super excited because I had one of my friends
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  Speaker 1: in the building. She's an actress. You can catch her
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  Speaker 1: in the next season of Dead to Me on Netflix,
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  Speaker 1: which is pretty much all about scams that show, and
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  Speaker 1: also you can follow her on Instagram at Liz Party.
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  Speaker 1: She is a beauty influencer Liz Ada. Hello, I've actually
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  Speaker 1: gone to a beauty influencer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we scammed hard that way we did.
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  Speaker 1: I pretended I was a beauty influencer.
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  Speaker 2: We got a really good grab bag, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: good merch.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of good merch like fully sized pod too.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I'll share this with my many
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  Speaker 1: beauty followers.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the only reason to become an influencers
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  Speaker 3: for the free stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Right Although I will say there's so much hate for
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  Speaker 1: influencers right now, and people think it's a scam job.
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  Speaker 1: But as someone who does scam jobs, I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 1: that it's not. I mean, it is actually a lot
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  Speaker 1: of work.
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  Speaker 3: People very much underestimate how much work goes into crafting
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  Speaker 3: the perfect Instagram post. But I also don't take myself
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  Speaker 3: that seriously. I don't love the term influencer because it
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  Speaker 3: is so loaded. But I got a bunch of creepy
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  Speaker 3: following me on Instagram, and sometimes brands give me stuff
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  Speaker 3: or pay me money to post things.
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  Speaker 2: And we all basically all it is, you know.
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  Speaker 1: We all have a I love my creepy Instagram man following.
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  Speaker 4: Oh they are the most loyal, the most loyal, honey.
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  Speaker 3: I every photo they're like so sexy beautiful, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: thank you, that's.
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  Speaker 1: So sexy beautiful. It never makes since the grammar is
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  Speaker 1: always terrible, but you know what, we know the sentiment,
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  Speaker 1: which yeah, it's low, you know, because I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We record these in advance. They're ever green, but currently
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  Speaker 1: I won't share the date with you. But there is
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  Speaker 1: some talk about destroying or not destroying. I say destroying
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  Speaker 1: because my loaded opinion the light but the lights taking
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  Speaker 1: the legs off the grammar has been like a big
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  Speaker 1: thing for a while. Here's my issue with it. When
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  Speaker 1: I look in the comments, it's all the haters in
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  Speaker 1: the comments, like, oh, well, now these fucking instagrammers won't
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  Speaker 1: be able to have pay rent. Why don't you want
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  Speaker 1: to be able to pay rent? Bitch, Like, let's not
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  Speaker 1: acting like we ain't seeing some on Instagram or seeing
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  Speaker 1: someone on a fucking blog and been like I want
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  Speaker 1: to do that, and then you go and do that,
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  Speaker 1: and that's some shit you never even would have known
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  Speaker 1: about if somebody hadn't to post it about the shit
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  Speaker 1: like we all get joy from it, and it's always
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  Speaker 1: a motherfuckers who don't get no likes anyway, Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry you posted a picture that was a bad angle
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  Speaker 1: of you on a platoon boat to web the fuck
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  Speaker 1: and it got one like like, that's not my fault.
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  Speaker 3: I definitely see both sides to it, because there are
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  Speaker 3: like studies that say that social media Instagram in particular,
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  Speaker 3: especially for young people, makes them depressed and sad, especially
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  Speaker 3: if they're they're like comparing how many likes they get
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  Speaker 3: to like the cool kids at school or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Young people. Was already depressed and said, be young. It's
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  Speaker 1: a fucking scam. That's true, because young people are gonna
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  Speaker 1: be sad no matter what. Right, because when you're young,
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  Speaker 1: you never know how fucking hot you are. You don't
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  Speaker 1: you don't know that you should be out here running
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  Speaker 1: scams and games on all these natives. I got lucky.
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  Speaker 1: My mom told me, she was like, you got to realize,
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  Speaker 1: like if you if you really knew how beautiful you were,
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  Speaker 1: you would be a monster. And I was like, that's
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  Speaker 1: the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: I thought I was way hotter than I was when
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  Speaker 3: I was young, and I was like in high school,
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  Speaker 3: and I looked back on pictures and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, I thought it was suck.
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  Speaker 1: But you were that because like you also got to realize,
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  Speaker 1: like the timing, like you're around all these other kids
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  Speaker 1: who are just as awkward, and they're awkward phases as
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  Speaker 1: you are, and you was the cute one, so you
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  Speaker 1: were you know.
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  Speaker 2: What I mean, I don't know. I wasn't that cute.
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  Speaker 1: His levels to this ship. But I will say that,
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  Speaker 1: like I think kids were already depressed. We don't know
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  Speaker 1: how hot we are. We don't realize that one day
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay bills. We don't understand that
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  Speaker 1: we live. Most of us not all kids.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Some of y'all had jobs and ship. Shout out to y'all.
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  Speaker 1: But most of us, you know, we're getting a free
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  Speaker 1: roof of our head, meals three times a day, jobs, congrats,
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  Speaker 1: you know, shout out to work ethic. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. We all don't. Everybody has a different story.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that maybe it is making people a
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  Speaker 1: little more depressed. I could see that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, going on just that comparison.
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  Speaker 3: Or I think it's like we all show only our
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  Speaker 3: best faces on social media.
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  Speaker 1: So for some people, don't you got to follow some
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  Speaker 1: sad people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then it's like sometimes with the sad people,
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  Speaker 3: they get too sad. You gotta find like the Goldilock
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  Speaker 3: zone of being a real human on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: I like unhinge people. I follow unhinch people on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: that I know just in my personal life, that are
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  Speaker 1: just super messy girls and we have it full like
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  Speaker 1: out here like a be's another thing. Let me tell
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  Speaker 1: y'all back.
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  Speaker 3: To like I mean, for other people's drama, I live
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  Speaker 3: for Oh so good. I guess it doesn't touch my
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  Speaker 3: like vicinity, then I'm very happy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. These are like acquaintances from college or acquaintances from
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  Speaker 1: high school people that if they came to LA they
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  Speaker 1: know not to ask to hang out with me, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, but we follow each other on the Graham
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  Speaker 1: because I want to see the mess I want it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But so I just want you guys to know that
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  Speaker 1: the reason that Instagram is purporting that they're taking away
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  Speaker 1: likes is because they're saying, like, oh, we want to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that people can have a positive experience on here,
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  Speaker 1: and we want to stop cyber bullying. We also want
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  Speaker 1: to stop ship posting, where people are just posting things
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  Speaker 1: that they know we're going to garner attention that are
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  Speaker 1: offensive or racist or homophobic or you know, xenophobic or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But that's not true.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you can still see how many likes you get.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think the reason that they're doing this
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  Speaker 1: is because advertisers target specific influencers based on their like count,
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  Speaker 1: because you can't do it based on followers. Because you
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  Speaker 1: can buy followers, you can buy likes two Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. That's a real scam. You can buy them both.
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  Speaker 1: But you can techat right. They are very cheap.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, it's like three bucks for five hundred likes or
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  Speaker 3: something crazy.
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  Speaker 1: When I started my Instagram pages for comedy, I considered
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  Speaker 1: like buying some followers or some likes, and I like,
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  Speaker 1: went it, looked it up.
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  Speaker 2: And no shame in the game as far as I'm concerned,
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  Speaker 2: as long as everybody knows what's going on, right and
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  Speaker 2: you're not taking yourself too seriously. I'm just like you
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  Speaker 2: can tell.
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  Speaker 3: You you can tell, especially if it's like someone who's
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  Speaker 3: like twenty thousand followers and they get like a hundred likes, man,
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  Speaker 3: and you're like, hmmm, some.
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  Speaker 1: Mad im up? Because the ratio is that you're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to get twenty percent of your followings likes on each post.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's high. I would say ten percent.
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  Speaker 1: Really, maybe it's ten. Maybe it is ten. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: then if it's a good post, you might get upwards
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  Speaker 1: of that, but it is low.
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  Speaker 3: I mean these days and the reason everyone's been complaining
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  Speaker 3: about Instagram in general is because the algorithm has changed
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  Speaker 3: and it's been slashing like a lot, and that what
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  Speaker 3: people are saying is it's because they want to get
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  Speaker 3: people to pay for promoted posts. Yes, because Instagram's trying
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  Speaker 3: to make that money too. Instagram's on that scam, and.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly why this is happening. It's because they want
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  Speaker 1: you to pay for promoted posts they want and like
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  Speaker 1: now there's promoted posts in your stories as well. They
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  Speaker 1: change all the algorithms so that the people that they
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  Speaker 1: want you to see on the export page come up first.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's all about them making more money and taking
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  Speaker 1: control away from the users because before it was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some people were getting ten cents alike on
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  Speaker 1: a post. You know, that all changes with this infrastructure.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, fuck Facebook, Fuck Mark Zuckerberg and his
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  Speaker 1: had his serial killer haircut and his eyes the don't
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  Speaker 1: blame but.
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  Speaker 3: Is so upsetting to me. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 3: things that are upsetting about that man.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen the back of his eyelies. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it looks like. Then the eyes always open.
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  Speaker 3: He looks like a lizard person for sure, Like he'd
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  Speaker 3: be a good candidate for you know, if if lizard
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  Speaker 3: people were a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like he married his wife and he was
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  Speaker 1: just like teach me how to be human. Like his
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  Speaker 1: wife's whole job is just like instructing him on how
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  Speaker 1: to be a human being. Oh my god, I have
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  Speaker 1: everything else going for me.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, wife, would you like to make sex with your
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  Speaker 3: human husband?
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  Speaker 1: In the eyes? Imagine those eyes on top of you,
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  Speaker 1: just never closed. No, no, I don't want to.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone strike that from your memory.
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  Speaker 1: Remember it, And that's what I Honestly, I'll look at
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  Speaker 1: a dating app and I'll be laying on.
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  Speaker 2: My back, and that's why you imagine that.
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  Speaker 1: I imagine them on top of me. I'm like, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta know, you gotta look.
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  Speaker 3: That's proactive. That's proactive. Yeah, sinking into the future.
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  Speaker 1: All right, guys, that wasn't even the first segment. I
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  Speaker 1: know this is what happens when my friends come back
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  Speaker 1: because I go on tangents. But let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: What's hot and f fraud. So this is where we
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  Speaker 1: warn our listeners about scams that are afoot because we
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  Speaker 1: don't want you to get sammed. On the show unless
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  Speaker 1: it involves us, Like if you have a scam that
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  Speaker 1: you'd like to promote, Yeah, I have a scam, do it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like follow my Instagram and yeah, send me free things.
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  Speaker 1: Wonderful. This makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Brands listening, Hi, I'm available.
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  Speaker 1: Right available to post for you. Yes, in the most
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  Speaker 1: earnest way possible, Like definitely telling the truth about every
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  Speaker 1: brand that I represent for I actually do try to
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  Speaker 1: only red brands that I like though. Yeah, same, But
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  Speaker 1: so this is this, uh what's hot and fraud actually
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  Speaker 1: comes from a listener. I'm gonna call you Tino, Tino, Tino.
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  Speaker 1: It's not his name, but that's what I'm gonna call him.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good name. Okay. So the background is from
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and two to two thousand and five. I
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  Speaker 1: worked at a pizza hut as a delivery driver in
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  Speaker 1: a small town, one of the ones with like a
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  Speaker 1: buffet and dining areas, like a good one. As a driver,
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  Speaker 1: we're to task with like distributing coupon doorhanngers during our
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  Speaker 1: regular slow hours. One of the coupons on the hangar
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  Speaker 1: was a five dollars off deliver recoupon. So I just
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  Speaker 1: want to say, I know kind of pizza hut that
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about, because the last time I was at
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  Speaker 1: this pizza hut, Michael Jackson had just died. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why this is such a significant memory. It was
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, Michael Jackson had died, and me
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  Speaker 1: and my sister had just gotten out of school. My
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  Speaker 1: mom took us to pizza hut.
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  Speaker 3: Dead.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't know about him yet.
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  Speaker 1: We had known about the little boys. We just knew
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  Speaker 1: about off the walls didn't listen. I was a smart child,
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  Speaker 1: so I feel like I probably had my suspicious but
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  Speaker 1: we okay. So I was sad. We went to the
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  Speaker 1: pizza hood. So I know what kind of pizza hut
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  Speaker 1: this is? Like they got the little bit like they
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  Speaker 1: have like the little cheese, the cheesy sticks, and then
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  Speaker 1: they have like cinnamon sticks that just sticking the c Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's good, delicious. So I know what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 1: So he said, scam part one. I love the third parts.
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  Speaker 1: I would take the discarded buffet pizza during the aforementioned
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  Speaker 1: downtime and I would sell it to skater boys at
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  Speaker 1: the skate park for cheap, like five I said. He said,
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  Speaker 1: see you, lad, I'm coming buying count a vine.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Avrol got her start slamming pizza at a skate park.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, hey, don't with that halfpike. You want
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  Speaker 1: this pizza, you don't know where it came from. Also,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a full circle. He was probably putting the
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  Speaker 1: pieces back together.
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  Speaker 2: This one is special because it has all the flavors.
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  Speaker 4: This.
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  Speaker 1: I like this because one, I'm down from food not
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  Speaker 1: being wasted. Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: That's not actually, that's not terrible.
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  Speaker 1: And the piece is probably not bad. It's just the
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  Speaker 1: heat lamp, eat anything right exactly. And also this pizza
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  Speaker 1: is not bad. We all have had cold pizza from
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  Speaker 1: the night before or something like that. Like this is fine.
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  Speaker 1: So and I love that he's selling it for five
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  Speaker 1: to ten dollars dollars a box, which is pure profit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because he stole it. Scam Part two This was this
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  Speaker 1: was a little more like ingenuity.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I would clip the doorhanger coupons, specifically the five dollars
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  Speaker 1: off delivery ones. Then after a cash tip or no
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  Speaker 1: tip delivery, I'd bring back one of those coupons and
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  Speaker 1: say that the customer forgot to mention it. On the
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  Speaker 1: original order. My manager would then alter the order and
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  Speaker 1: pull five dollars from the till and give it to
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  Speaker 1: me as a tip.
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  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, that is a scam, right.
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  Speaker 1: I love that the manager I didn't want to cut.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't like, I take two fifty, you'd take two
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  Speaker 1: fifty because I feel like we could have made a
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  Speaker 1: good amount of change just doing that alone. So he
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  Speaker 1: said the prestige. This had the added benefit of making
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  Speaker 1: corporate young brands think that doorhanger coupons worked.
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  Speaker 2: He was scamming the corporation.
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  Speaker 1: He was scamming Pizza Hut in general from the top down,
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  Speaker 1: and while not taking advantage of my locally owned store
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  Speaker 1: because they're reimbursed for every coupon. I have made a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money off of this homegrown scam and never
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  Speaker 1: felt bad about it for one second. Anyway, cool podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck corporate, No, you got it, corporate, Fuck corporate. Tino,
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  Speaker 1: You're a king. We stand. I'm standing right now as
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  Speaker 1: I do the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: We have no choice.
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  Speaker 1: We have no choice but to stand. I like this
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  Speaker 1: because it's simple.
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  Speaker 2: That's damn the man save the empire, right.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way to there's no way to really get
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  Speaker 1: caught with this because even if he keeps redeeming these
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  Speaker 1: five dollars coupons, the corporation wants them to be redeemed
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  Speaker 1: because it says that you're this is how we're drawing business,
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  Speaker 1: our advertisement is working. And the manager was the one whole
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  Speaker 1: game in the five dollars from the till. So it
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  Speaker 1: ain't even like he went and stole to five dollars.
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  Speaker 1: And what we're gonna do. Knock on the door and
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  Speaker 1: excuse me. Hey, I'm from pizza Hut up the street.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to know, did you get a doorhader
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  Speaker 1: for five dollars? Off?
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  Speaker 2: Leave my home? Please?
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  Speaker 1: You're not gonna tell me. I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: need a red shirt.
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  Speaker 2: The police.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing an investigation. No one's gonna look into this. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's never gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, I think small scams add up over time, and
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  Speaker 3: those are the most efficient scams because that's when people
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  Speaker 3: don't miss five dollars here and there.
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  Speaker 1: Right exactly. And also, this wasn't anybody's five dollars. It
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  Speaker 1: was a discount, right. I mean, honestly, the only way
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  Speaker 1: that this scam could be better for me is that
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  Speaker 1: if it was happening to Papa John's. Okay, oh fuck
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  Speaker 1: Papa John's and that racist ass sweet ass pizza fuck out.
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  Speaker 1: That garlic saucy is kind of good. But listen, we
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  Speaker 1: can get that anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. True, that's garlic sauce.
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  Speaker 1: So if you work with Papa John's and they giving
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  Speaker 1: out coupon's, gaunt.
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  Speaker 2: Scam get you scams popping, We give you permission used
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  Speaker 2: to scam. Fuck Papa John fuck them.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome. All right, guys, we'll be back after a break
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  Speaker 1: with some non scam advertisements scam cod all right, I
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: guess and we are best. This is my favorite segment
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  Speaker 1: of the show. Oh historic hoodwinks. It's where I will
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  Speaker 1: regale you, Liz with a hoodwink that you may or
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  Speaker 1: may not be familiar with. In this case, you are
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: familiar with this because you are the one who sent
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: me this article, which is awesome. We did a little
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: more research in some different sectors, so we got some
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: information that I'm sure still might surprise you. Maybe not.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, give it to me.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: So this is the multi level marketing scam.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling right now this is going to
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: be a controversial episode.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Because this So many of these exist. They're ry everywhere,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: and some of them it's like there is some kind
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: of benefit maybe, but they're low key cults.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: Well they're pyramid schemes, yeah, is what they are. But
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: they're sexier, a little sexier, like better branding, like MLM. Right,
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: they already have a name, yeah, multi level scheme in
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: the name.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: It doesn't it's not like, hey, join my scheme. Yeah,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: because pyramid scheme. It's all in the title is that
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: it's a pyramid and it's a scheme. But multi level
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: marketing is first of all, multi level is a motherfucker pyramid.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: This is just a rebrand yeah, and scheme is the
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: marketing your scheme on people to marketing.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: It sounds sexy, you know, it sounds like, oh it's official,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Honestly, anytime I want a dating app, I don't know,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I keep bring up dating apps, but I think I'm
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: like really on the hunt right now. And I said
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: somebody got a marketing job, I'm like, marketing, Well, you
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: ain't got to run the job. People say they're an advertisement.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Ain't a real job, a professional? Right, Just tell me
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: what your job is. I used to work in marketing.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Marketing is actually what I tell It's just a midd phrase.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: That's what I tell strangers when I don't want to
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: tell them I'm an actress. They ask me what I
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: do when I say marketing, because I don't.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Want to tell them what I do.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I have a degree in marketing.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I did communications.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, technical. I don't want to tell them what I
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: do either, Like because when you tell people what you
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: do as an actor.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Then yeah, first of all, if you're saying me, you
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: wouldn't know you have to.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have this conversation like you don't. You obviously don't.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not famous, so leave me alone. I hate it.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: It's like you got the whole hold on to put
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: on my IMDb. I guess cha. All right, you want to.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Especially when you first start and you're like I did
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: like a web series that my friend wrote.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: It's on YouTube you can find. Also, I did a
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: commercial for dog food.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And like, literally like, do you have do you like
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Parina one? Do moms like YouTube? Shift? Like because maybe
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you've seen me. I fucking hate that shit. And we
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: live in LA so it happens a lot, and especially
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: on dates, like men are so fucking jaded. I remember
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: going on a date a few years back, and I
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't really acting professionally at the time, but I just
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles and was taking classes at UCB
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and I went on a date with this guy. And he
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: was a financial analyst at a bank. Okay, he was
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: thirty five. Okay, I have a marketing degree, so I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: went to business school.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Oh that at thirty five, if you're a fucking financial analyst,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: no shade if y'all are, But that means you have
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: made no movement. Yeah in this in the bank, in
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: the corporate ladder at all that you started real, real
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: fucking late. And so but he's trying to flex on
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: me this whole time, Like, so, how's this working out?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: So so you wait tables like this is so like
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: shittyw Yeah, so marketing, we gotta say marketing. Yes, this
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: is actually from someone speaking in first person about their
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: own experience and as being a child in a multi
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: level marketing scam. So, since I'm telling this story today
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: not because it has anything to do with early retirement,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: but because I'm financially processing all these years later, how
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: this experience colored the ways that I think about money
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and those who give financial advice, and perhaps my worldview overall.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: If you're born in a scam or a call, I
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: can imagine that's sefted how you think about people. If
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: you're vulnerable financially, there are a lot of ways and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: means for people to exploit you. We say it all
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the time, the despo meter. How desperate are you? Yeah?
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? If you got to look
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: coin into bank, you're not likely to, you know, give
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: up your Social Security and your pin.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they pray on. They're like, do you
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: need money? I can give you money.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: And you're like, okay, I guess.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: So. The first paycheck I ever received was from a
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: multi level marketing scheme. The employer my mom, who'd hired
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: an eleven year old met as a tax right off. Ooh,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: shout out to your mom. A scammer.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: That's a different level of scam when you're scamming your
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: own children, Like all those parents that steal their kids
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: social security.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: That's me.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I feel for y'all. If your mama, your daddy ruined
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: your credit. Oh, put them in a home. But yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: so you never know, put them in a home. I
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: don't know maybe pinch them a little bit when they're old.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: If they ruin your credit, pinch them a lot, Okay,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and then and they make them feel crazy. Gas light
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: them after you pinch them and be like, Mama, I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: told you.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: This all that you held your abuse. That's what we're
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: advocating here, advocating here.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: But only they were in your credit.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to do a I just say, a pension,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: you know, lightning. Yeah, they live, you know, give him
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: their medication. But one of the arms is very sensitive.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: So she put her on as a tax write off.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: One of the secrets to wealth in this program she'd
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: been sucked into and now she's selling it for a living.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: So her mother was like, doing this secret to wealth program.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Now she's out here. You know, each one reached one,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you tell three people. That's how the pyramid schemes were.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So spoiler. She's not now, nor ever was wealthy as
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a result of living by this program. Of course not.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: When I was in elementary school in the eighties and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: my parents' marriage was still amiable, they attended a seminar
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: by a best selling author and self appointed wealth guru,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Charles Gibbons. A mustachioed floridian, oop.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Florida mustachioed floridian is the best way to describe a man, truly.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And I know exactly what this man looks like.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's a little sweat always, you know. But he's
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: got on a suit.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: It's cheap though he's inside. The air conditioning's on. But
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: he is sweat a little doing, just a little always.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: And so he promised to share the many tax loopholes
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: he had discovered that could make an ordinary person a
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: millionaire if you paid several hundred dollars and later a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: few thousand dollars to attend his seminar and become a
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: member of his organization. Oh boy, wow. So one he
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: starts off low, He's like, okay, a couple hundred dollars, Yeah,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not my couple thousand bucks if you really have
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: this mm hmm. And I mean, honestly, I would believe
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: this though, because I'm assuming this man is white. Can
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: we look on this man and see if Charles Gibbs
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: is white? But I'm assuming that he's a rich white man.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And I do believe that rich white people know, we
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: all know that they know how to get out of
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: paying taxes. Oh yeah, so this seems legitimate to me
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: so far. I'm like, it's a rich white man about
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to tell us how he's evading taxes, because then I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: will be sitting in this damn seminar because I'm paying
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: all my taxes right now and I'm upset. I'm giving
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the government everything they owed and it's upsetting.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: It's too much.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I hate it. I asked my account I said, hey,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: we get around this. He said, no, it's the lass.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I gotta fire you, ass I mean better call saw
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a shady lawyer.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a I used to have an accountant
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: that was real shady, but uh, now we're paying back taxes.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Look behind you, that's Charles J. Gibbons.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Oh he Oh my god, damn.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: He looks exactly like we thought he would. In my
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: mind he was a little more overweight, but oh no,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was gonna be overweight. He got
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the pair with the first of all, he got the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: hair with the part. He's got a thick head of hair.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You know, it looks like a winner. He looks like
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a quintessentral. It's like a rich white man who has
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: evaded every text.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: And that mustache is like a cop mustache too. It's
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: like very thick and very like police.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: He says, I enjoy racism, but it's like I'm not
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: at the clan rally, but I don't, but I.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Don't mind it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: It's okay, right, It's like, look like you've never catched
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: me there. But hey, the work they do benefits me. Uh.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: So he has some books I'm gonna read off his
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: book type. One is called super Self Doubling your Personal Effectiveness.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Another one is called Wealth Without Risk. That's not a thing,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Charles without risk. I don't think anything good comes without
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit of risk, Charles. So, Charles Gibbons has
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: another one that's called Financial Self Defense. What does that
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: even mean? He says, how to Win the Fight for
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Financial Free.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: These are great titles. I'm not gonna lie. That's where
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: he puts the marketing in mL.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And he is marketing. And they also look like self
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: help books, like he's on the book. There's a lot
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: of that's right.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Like free to rent on Amazon Kindle, like all these
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: kind of books are always free to get on your kindle.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's understandable how this would be appealing. And
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: then also he's on these books So my parents found
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: this information that they learned compelling and motivating and went
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: home and made some changes to their finance and taxes
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: as a result. So they went to one seminar and
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: then they were like yes, life. A few weeks later,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: they got a call from someone in the Charles Gibbons
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: organization who asked if they'd be interested in helping spread
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the word about the program. I wasn't interested, my dad
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: told me recently. It seemed a little bit like a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: multi level marketing scheme. It was not like an MLM scheme.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: It was a multi level marketing sailer. But my dad
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: later realized there was what looked like to him a
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: loophole in their system. So the dad is already a scammer.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Everybody evolved is a scammer, because if you're pulling up
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to the joint, you're looking for a way to scam
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the system. You're not about to just be out here
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: doing old fashioned hard work. And to be quite honest,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of successful people are fucking scammers. Oh yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: because that old fashioned bootstrap shit, that's a fucking lie,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So get out here and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: get your con on. So get your con on get
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: your come on, get you guess. So he sees this
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: loophole in the system and they didn't prohibit piggybacking off
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: of the organization's own marketing. So basically he goes to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: this event and he's like, instead, it's trying to be
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: like Charles, and I could just be Charles. Okay, I'll
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: fucking with it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, I'm following so far, so.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: The Pyramid scheme journey. So my parents began their Pyramid
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Scheme journey by following where seminars would be held, calling
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the TV stations in those markets to find out if
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the organization was running ads, and then placing their own
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: ads immediately after the official ads with their phone number
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to call for more info about the seminar. No, this
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: is brilliant.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: That is so crazy.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Imagine if you're looking at an AD and it's like, uh,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Charles Givens Financial Freedom Workshop call eight seven seven five
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: nine to two today, and then the ad right afters
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: like Charles Givens again, that number is two six six
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: seven two. I'm gonna go with the number I heard last.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: That first number we gave you was wrong. Here's the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: better one to call. Actually, if you're really interested in,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: would like discounts all the other number.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: This is the cheaper number. You'll pay a little less
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: real Like, I'm calling that number right now, right, I'm
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: calling give me my landline, Give me my land line.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Pull the code over here. Oh my gosh, that's so brilliant.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: So they collected the names and turned them in and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: if any of those people showed up to the seminar,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: my parents got the commission. They said, so my wow.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: So my dad says he didn't want to push the program,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: which he did not actually think anyone could do, but
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: just wanted to get a cut of the fees paid
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: by those already interested in attending. So they were basically
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: being like sending their own ad out and then saying like,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: these are the me that we collected, give us commission
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: on the numbers. So you're still going to Charles Gibbons' workshop,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: but if you call our number, we gonna get a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: cut of yo feet. That's brilliant, like it says, oh god, gorgeous. So,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: of course at the time there was heavy pressure to
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: attend ever more seminars and buy every new program themselves,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and our house had gradually filled with slick cases full
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: of VHS tips, VHUS tapes of the wealth grewer himself
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: sharing his secrets. It quickly became clear to me that
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: this felt more like financial advice to them. So now
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: she's like, Okay, I thought we were scamming the scammers,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: but y'all seemed to also still be buying into the scam.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Gibbons was clearly a motivational pitchman, selling a whole lifestyle,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: promising anyone could be their best if they tried to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: achieve it. As my parents' marriage went south, my mom
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: took sole possession of the work, and she was thinking bigger.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, master, doesn't say Mom that like like put her
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: daughter on the taxi. Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's been this whole time. I feel like
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: she's been the mastermind behind all right.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Although I will say that dad had a good intive.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: He took an initiative, for sure.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it says that we would spend evenings and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: weekends going to bookstores in town and putting postage paid
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: response cards into every book by Charles Gibbons.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this is like, this is wild. This
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: is a grassroots scam.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Right, Like, y'all gotta be like mom, how many more
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Barnes and Nobles today?
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, come on, I just want to go
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: to bed.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: This is so wild.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Look, mommy's got a few more Barnes and Nobles. Did okay,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: like you do the do the dance that I told
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you to distract the people at the bookstore. Well, I
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: put these cards.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: In okay, Oh my gosh.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I love it. So she began to do the actual
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: multi level part of this thing, recruiting others to work
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: below her so she get a portion of all their sales.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: We'd attend the given seminars all over the midway and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: set up a table outside of them, encouraging people to
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: sign up to sell the program. So this is not
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: like Givens told them to start this table. They're leeching
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: themselves onto an already established multi level marketing scheme.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Wow, why haven't I thought of that? Right?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I need to be Herbal life adjacent. Yeah,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: we're Herbal Living, honey. Okay, Oh my gosh, yeah, this
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: herbal life, but we're not trying to make herbal life
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: your life. Were trying to make Herbal Living.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, call this number right after all?
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Her this other number, this is the one you want
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: to call. So all of that work gave my parents
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and later my mom some modest but steady income, and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: my mom often ranked on the list of top performers
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: for the organization than when they posted quarterly, and she
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: relished this right and it motivated her more than actual money.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: So now she's getting a little of power and stat status,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and people want status. They want to walk into a
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: room and you know, be like.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Everybody wants to hear that they're the best at whatever
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: they're doing, right, even if it's scamming. You're the best
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: scammer ever.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, thank you so much. Yeah, she scammed
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: scam awards forty five thousand families listen. No, yeah, she's
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the best. No, yeah, a lot of them are bankrupt,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: some of them are dead. Oh she's amazing. She got
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: every last pitty until they died. So like, yeah, I
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: could get that. I can get the allure. So she
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: says it sent my mom the scam organization. Charles Is
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: sent me and my mom on a free cruise. We
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: went when I was in eighth grade, and on it
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I tasted my first alcohol, bought for me by a
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: much older man. Ew okay, I don't know why this
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: isn't it? But nothing else happened, nothing else bad happened,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: just like she got somebody old and drink. But that's it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: That's it. There's no bad story there. But she just
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: said old creep bought me a drink. I don't know
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: why she felt like she needed to include that.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: You in eighth grade, thirteen thirteen, that's.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Really now, as I did a legal shit cruise ships.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: But because it's international, w.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, it doesn't matter if you're
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: on a ship, right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: That's true. I was though, yeah I was gambling.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: But creepy or you were?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so fun. They never checked my ID.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: They love a gamble. I made a lot of money,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: at least for a sixteen.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Year old when I was sixteen.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: I grew up around Detroit and so we would go
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: to Canada all the time because the drinking age in
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Ontario was nineteen and spoiled. Like you probably haven't figured
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: this out just from listening for me, because I have
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: a white ass name, but I am Asian and I.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Have a white name too, so I'm constantly being like,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I'm black Asian, I'm Asian.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: I know I sound like I just popped off the
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Mayflower Elizabeth Adams over here. But I am very Asian,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: and so when I was sixteen, I had my other
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Korean girlfriends Id, who was nineteen, and because like everybody's
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: racist and things Asian looks like, so they just didn't
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: didn't look twice. So I was nineteen and it helps. Yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: sometimes it helps. You know, you got to scam the racist.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: And that's what I was all about.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I've talked about all this podcas. So I had this
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: girl I d and she had a way bigger nose
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: than I did, and I would just show to people
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and flare my nostrils. Shit worked every time, flair or not.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Sometimes racism is really just mail. Oh my god, you
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: can't tell.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: They're like, wait a minute, this doesn't look like you.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Oh wait now it does. Oh you got those big
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: nose holes.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I see you checks out you're black, you're a woman.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Big nose holes.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Nose holes. I think that's what people should call nostrils
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: from now on, just truly nose holes.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: It's where it's gonna be. Like, it sounds erotic. I
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: don't know why. No, No, I'm so sorry about this. Guys.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: So the cruise was also where I played my first
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: slot machine and won my first money in gambling. Makes sense,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that's what I did on cruises Latin common. So when
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: we went to those seminars, especially on the cruise, we
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: were always around these people that I now recognize as
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: lost souls. Oh so dramatic. Those who got indeed were
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: clearly seeking some thing, and being a member of the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: organization felt like belonging to something big and important. Yeah,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: so that's like the culty aspect.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: So culty.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: My dad insists that they made enough off the organization
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to justify the effort and expense, which is different from
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: most participants in multi level marketing schemes who spend more
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: than they earn and are continually pressured to buy things
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to get started or to move up, which is true,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: like normally they make by the products yourself.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: You're gonna change your life.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: You just need to spend five thousand dollars first.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But then I swear you're gonna change.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Like immediately after you write the check and it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Cashes, then you're gonna be like it's about to be lit.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: You know, first pay me rabb run. So some of
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the stories of people who later sue this organization are
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: kind of heartbreaking. The woman whose husband died after canceling
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: his life insurance to save money at the behest of givens.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: So that man was like, Hey, I got an idea,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: why don't you cancel your life insurance policy to save
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: some money?
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: And then he died. But here's the thing that's not
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: bad for the man, that's bad for the woman.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I know, poor woman.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: That means when he died, she was left holding the
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: bag probably all his debt too.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Ooh, that's rough. I don't like this scam. I'm gonna
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: say it now. I do like the scam we've been
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: talking about, though, which is the scammers who leached onto
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the scam, right, I like them.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: But the mustachio meridian, so fuck him, fuck him, fuck
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: him and his mustache.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: He wrote in on So someone said I fell for it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Non toxic cleaning and no chemicals. My kids got into
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: a spray bottle fight and my oldest got sprayed with
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a diluted blue diamond from Norwe's. The allergic reaction was
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: over the top.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry my kids got into a spray bottle fight
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: with cleaning supplies.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: So I guess this is like another MLM, So now
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: we're kind of just talking general MLMs. The first one though,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: is from GIBBONSK. But this one like so it says, uh,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: my upline had to give me detailed directions on how
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to find ingredients to share with the doctor. I demanded
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that the upline. Okay, So upline is supposed to be
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: like someone who's up the chain of us.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: So the way that MLMs work is you get into
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: it and then you're incentivized to recruit other people. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: that's how pyramid schemes are actually defined by like the
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: FTC by if the way that you make money is
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: through recruiting more than through product sales.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And so MLMs, like the really bad ones.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Say you recruit three people, and then they recruit three people,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: and then all those three people recruit. So it goes
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: on and on and on until you're at the top of
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: the pyramid and you make commission out of all the
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: inventory that all these sales people or they're called i
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: think distributed distributors usually buying, are buying, and then you're
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: considered the upline. If you're like you've recruited someone, you're
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: the upline.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Right, they're the down line. Yeah, yeah, okay, so that
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: makes perfect sense here. So apparently this is like a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: chemical free like whatever kind of product. Since why of
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: your kids getting the spray bottle fight with?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, like that away, that's like parenting when on one,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry we're judging this parenting, but but.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm not gonna judge this parenting because
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: kids are freaking dumb, you know, like kids would be
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: like bleach fight, what are you doing this? What's this poison?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Let's eat it? Literally, Like I remember, I'll never forget.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I almost had a heart attack. I think I told
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: my mom about this. I don't know if I did.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: She's gonna find out.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Now she won't find out out. It don't matter because
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: my sister's alive. But I baby sent my sister all
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: of her youth. And it's crazy because I had nannies
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: and then my sister was born. They're like, we don't
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: want you to get pregnant, so watch your system control.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: And so I came into the bedroom and I think
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I went to like get something out of the oven
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: or something real quick in the kitchen. I come into
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the bedroom and I think my sister may have been
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: two at the time, and there was a spilled bottle
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of ad feel in front of her and she was
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: licking the coating off of the I literally like freaked
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the fuck out and like she hadn't eaten any of them.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Thanks this bitch? What up?
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Only a two year old would do this? Like, children
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: are crazy.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I used to work at high school when I was
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: in college, and truly my job was just to keep
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: all the children from killing themselves.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just that's literally the job. Do anything they don't?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Let them kill themselves.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Constantly like think I'll jump off this, you know, four
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: story balcony.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: What do you think, mom?
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: And you're like, nah, Right, when I was a kid,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: we jumped off of our balcony in our in our house.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: We moved a couch to the wall so that it
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: would be right underneath where the balcony was, and then
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: we all just jumped off of this like twelve fourteen
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: foot balcony. Why because children are dump And my mom
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: saw footprints on the wall that were so high up
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and she was like, how fuck are their hook and up?
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I don't know, mammy, you know,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: asked the clean lady I'm jail. I don't know he's
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: gonna find out now, but that's what we were doing.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: So kids are fucking dumb, so I get this. But
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the kids got really, really sick. And when she did
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the upline and she called the upline and she was like,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: what are the chemicals? Guy, I need to tell the doctor.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: They were like, oh, actually it's not chemical free. It's
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: actually chemical full chemical it's chemical fool. So kid my
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: dad and then another mlum scheme says it nearly caused
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: me to get divorced. So this is little Room. The
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Room markets their products to cust blue ro Ro lu
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: La Lula. I can't even say that. This is leggings.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: That's how these are the like, so its supposed to
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: be like Lululemon, but they lu laro.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, shorter everybody, everybody.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: No, we're not limon.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Well they're not like workout ones. They're like fashion leggings.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: So yeah, they're behind crazy. Yeah, they do have crazy prints.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I looking at? Mad Hatter pants?
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: They're big in A So they're big in like Middle America, Midwest.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yea, they look like trash y'all give that up. So
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: they market their products to customers like a garage sale,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: So you had better buy it when you see it,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: because if you don't, it's gone before you know it,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and it's addictive and it creates like a culture of
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: friends that you're buying them from. Yeah, so I'm not
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: well off, but I spent an excess of five thousand
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: to eight thousand dollars over the last three to four
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: years buying shoddy clothing. I bought right into their BS
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: story that was helping the small business succeed. My first
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: person a pair of leggings. They were really soft, and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I was hooked. I bought the items one items traded sold.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: This was on Lula LaRue all the time. It just
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: came up automatically in our social history, like did you
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: mean yes, girl, you know where I'm going? And she
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: said she searched for her own unicorn skirt for weeks.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I spent so much time and money on Lulu LaRue
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and cause me to get divorced.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, honey, I feel like they were also. I
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: don't think the leggings were the problem.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Honey. If you were a victim of this scamp, sweetie,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: your husband was like the paper are you gonna make
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: dinner tonight. She's like, I got leggings. Okay, baby, I'm morning.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Can you get off the leggings site? From what can
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: we have sex?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for my unicorn skirt. That's crazy.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: So the thing about Lula La bro is.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Like, okay, so I'm very into MLMs. I think they're
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: very fascinating. I think that it is like a total cult,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: like uh like appeal because they target vulnerable women in particular,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: who are like stay at home moms or you know,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: there's like their single uh single income family, but like
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: they want to do something to.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Help maybe a little thrill well it's not even thrilled.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Ady target like the good intentions of women, and so
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: women who want to help their family, and then they
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: pray on that and they're like, you can help your family,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: you can reach financial independence, you know, like your husband
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to work so hard, you can take care
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: of your kids, you have control.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Thing that's great, which I forget about that. When I've
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: lived in Texas, all of the women in my neighborhood
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: except for my mother, really didn't work. Yeah, and so
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: that was like always a big brag because all the
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: men would be like our wives don't work. But then
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: when you don't work, you have way less financial control
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: over what happens in the house.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Allow spending money of your own, you know, you don't
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: have to ask your like you know, working part.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: You want to be able to leave that nigga whenever
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: you want. That's what it's about. You got to be
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: able to up and leave. You got to keep your
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: body tight and go get you a new man, and
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: you gotta have enough change in the bank so you
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: can leave his ass truly.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: So the Lula Roe.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Like model is if you're one of their distributors, they
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: make you buy like a certain amount of inventory, but
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: it's blind inventory, meaning that like you don't get to pay,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: so you get like a random assortment.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: And some of the leggings are so ugly, like god
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: to google ugly Lula Row and bring them up because
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: some of them are fucking crazy, and it's really hard
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to get rid of that stock if it's like really ugly.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Some of them are cute, sure, and those are the
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: ones you sell out of. But if you have stock
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: left over from like your ugly leggings that nobody wants
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: to get, you still have to keep getting more in
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: order to like maintain your status that you reach.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And so now you're sitting with inventory that won't move, yes,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: and you're having to bulk up. And when you're bulking up,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you don't know if you're purchasing something that's going to
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: be sellable or if you're purchasing something that's gonna also
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: go into that pile of stuff that's not moving.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, So that it's like such a scam on all
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: these poor women that are just trying to make a
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: living or trying to help their families.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Right, oh, my god in heaven, these ugly right like
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: some of them are. Now that's all I want with
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: the tell in the blue like that's cute. That probably
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: make your booty look fait. Damn, these are some ugly
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Like come on now, what is on most pot?
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Is that a clown one?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Go back? That a clown one? Oh? Who want clowns
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: on the ass? We already got men enough. That's too
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: many clowns on my ass right now?
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: This is just a my leggings are just pictures of
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: my ex boyfriend clowns my ass.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: So they really they really do that. They pray on
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: these programs.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: They have all this inventory left over they've taken out
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: lines of credit in order to afford all of this.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: And then what happened with Lulareau in particular is there
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: were so many women that were being recruited, and like
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: that's math, you know, you run out of people to
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: recruit after a certain amount of time. And then also
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: the market, like that market is so flooded with people
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: who sell them, and so now like you've got a
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: million places to buy them, so you don't buy them
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: from just.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: How you have to price your stuff competitively. Now you
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: got to undercut other people who are already in the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: scam with you.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, oh so Loulaoaue actually, like I think they just
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: laid off like a bunch of factory workers actually, people
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: who were not involved in the scam. They were just
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: like employees receiving paychecks. And that's really shitty for them
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: because they, like I think they kept getting I think
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: there's a class action lawsuit against them actually from all
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: these people that were uh fucked by this pyramid scheme system.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: So now we're gonna read off some pyramid schemes guys. Yes, okay,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: this is for your scam knowledge, your scam warnings. So
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: we talk about Lualuro, Lulu, Lro women's apparel, Rodent and Fields. Oh, skincare, Yes,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Advogue Care that's for dieting. Rbal Life that's the nutrition
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: is a big one. Narium that's for skincare. Mona that's
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: for hair. That's the one. I've had people's hair falling
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: out right, damn No, cannot just say like these names, Mona, mirium.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: They all sound like drugs to help you get it up.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I don't care they really do, because you know, drugs
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: for like women in their periods. They are always just
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: like women's names, like do you listen, yeah, Alyssa, you know,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: like Jane and Dune.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Like I think mine is Nikki. Actually right, it's always
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: a woman's name.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I just think about being at brunch and I'm like,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, don't in my jewels. So you
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: know that held drink too much? Okay, listen, listen here,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Uh what was mine? There was juw Nail. I remember
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: you now.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Because it's like that's like, oh yeah, my my.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: You know my ant flow is visiting this month, right,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: all the euphemisms you know, describing your lady.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I gotta take my bestie or Alyssa or Alyssa so
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Monat hair care, and then Juness, which is skincare it works,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: which is for fat loss, it works. This one's gonna
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: hurt you, guys. doTerra essential oils.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, essential oils, well, okay, so the essential oils one too.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: It's like people are always claiming that they do all
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: these miraculous and like I dabbed a little bit of
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: essential oil on my wrist and it cured my cancer.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Like no, girl, it did not. Modern medicine probably did.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: And good vibes.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Don't forget about the good vibes. I want to start
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: selling like something called like healthy cocaine a working title,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: working title. Yeah, I'll get it, I'll get it right.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: But I think I sometimes will like tough mint essential
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: oil girl, and it wakes me up, lazy. I'm not
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: huffing it. I just put it on my wrist and
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: it invigorates.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, all these things are are like they're starting
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: with a thing that is good or helpful, and then
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: they're taking it too far, you know, Like sure, essential
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: oils are cool, like lavender are supposed to call me
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: and stuff, but.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: But mint, like smelling mint really does wake me up
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm just saying it might wake up
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the people healthy. Okay, and you guys, don't steal my idea.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Don't take this idea.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: She's gonna trademark this healthy HC coming at you.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: You're right, I do need a different title. I'm working
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: on it in beta. Yeah, yeah, amway.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Oh and we's a big one.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And they had branched out. They got health, they
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: got beauty, they got home care. Like Scamway is out here, Scamway, Scamway.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I've never even thought of that.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: So just so you guys know, these are things that exist,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: and they are multi level marketing schemes. And even if
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: you like the products, just know that the way that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the business is set up it is to con you.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: It's super predatory, the way the business models are. And
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: sometimes there are good things like Rodan in Fields has
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: like this eyelash serum that's apparently amazing, and like sure,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: sometimes the products.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Work right, but no, and then there's also ten shocking
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: facts about multi level marketing schemes. And I'm just gonna
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: let you guys know a couple of these because like
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: this is like if this industry was so illegal, it
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: would not still be able to exist, right, you think
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: it would.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: you something there is there are multi level marketing company
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: lobbyists in Congress, and so that is part of the
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: reason why the FTC has such a hard time actually
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: taking these things down. They start with. So one of
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the ones you listed Nearium, I think was that was
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a skincare company I think.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Or was it?
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Well, one of them on the list, uh was taken
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: up by the FDC because they made really uh like
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: ridiculous claims that are cured, like Alzheimer's and stuff like that.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: And so that's where you can get it if you're
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: making false claims like that that like medically are disproven.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: And so I think the FTC is trying to take down.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: This is me just conjecture here, So don't quote me.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know anything about government either.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: But no one does, no one. It's a scam.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Government is totally a scam, you guys.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: But they can get them on stuff like that. But like,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: since they're a lobbyists and there are people in Congress.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: There's like one congressman that used to be like the
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: head of he like used to work for one of
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: those big companies for a long time, for like ten
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: years or something like that, and so like it's corrupt.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Our government is corrupt, and they're supporting these companies, which
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: is why they're not getting shut down even though they're
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: super predatory.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Right, And that makes sense because there's so many things,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: like I mean, we always talk about the NRA, which
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: is one of the biggest scammiest organizations ever, and they
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: have all of our government in their pockets. And that's
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: why we gotta worry about getting a shot when we
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: go to see a movie, you know. So it's just
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: really kind of fucked. So there's a few So there
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: are legal loopholes that allow these scams to exist. And
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: basically MLM is almost identical to a pyramid scheme, but
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: the emphasis on selling products rather than recruiting members keeps
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: it from being classified as a pyramid scheme. Also, MLMs
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: are unsustainable, which makes sense because like you were saying before,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: even with like lul LaRue like what you have, once
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: it's too once it's saturated, it's hard to maintain. Amway
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: has almost a hilarious rate of failure. The Amway failure
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: rate stands at ninety nine percent. Oh no, there is
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: a one percent chance that you will go into amway.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: You have better odds just gambling, right, just get it
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: by tickets every week. Yeah, shit like go to just
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: go odds an Amway or bad. Also mln's like we
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: talked about a lot target the most vulnerable people in society,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: So sorry about that. But guys, that's a DESMO meter.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Like when you are thinking something's a little shifty, gauge yourself.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Take a moment with yourself and be like, am I desperate?
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Do I need money? Do I need attention? Do I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: need validation? Like, really think about yourself and how you
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: feel in that moment before you say yes to anything
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: that gives you pause, because it does always give us
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: a little pause. Hell, I participated in some things that
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, this could be a scam er, this
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: could be a great opportunity, and sometimes it turns out
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: to be a great opportunity. So it's like maybe I'll
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: roll the dice.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm a naturally fairly suspicious person, but
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: occasionally I'll do something and I'll be like, like there
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: was one time that I agreed to do this like
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: short film with someone that I had just met in
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: one of my improv classes and they were filming like
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: at her parents' house in like Newport, and like, I
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: agreed to go and film there. And then I realized,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: like I don't know any of these people. What did
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: I just agree to do? It turned out it was great.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: They're still my great friends today. But before I went.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, am I going to get murdered? Like
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I don't even know these people. I'm also Newport. I know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: gonna go, I know, but I don't know. Sound it
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: could have been not Newport, is what I'm saying. Though,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Like I trusted that this was like legit.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've talked about that. I've done jobs whereas an
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: actor sometimes you get a freelance job offer, and like
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I was like I could get murdered today, and I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I got me just show up somewhere
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: expecting I'm jumping pins to all my friends. I mean yeah.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: And then here's the little tip on how to avoid
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: multi level marketing scams. So if someone says the word
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: toxins and can't name anything specific, they are trying to
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: swindle you. Yeoh you should try this new product. It
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: just gets rid of all your toxins. Just yeah, but
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: where ones? Which all all of them? The bad ones? Okay? Well,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: like which specific bad.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Ones you know, like the ones that make you toxic?
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: In what way? We're not looking at tox outs.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: We're looking at toxins, you know, So just gets rid
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: of them, just melts right off.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: No, listen to my partner. She's absolutely right, Like, if
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: the taste of your lips, I want to ride your toxic,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the taste of the boys
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: from Paradise, that's what we're getting rid of them. That's
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: a pretty spearce song. No no no no no no
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: no no no she me she got that from Yeah,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: she got it from us, And honestly she was a
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: part of our advertisement and then she was called fire
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: inspired to write Toxic. So there you go. If you
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: have to invest money money to join, don't that's like
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: for anything.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: I feel like if they're asking you for money, that
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: was like the first thing like I learned when I
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: got into this industry too.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: It's like an actress.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Model, like you never should have to pay upfront to
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: do anything. If an agent is asking you to pay them,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: they scam in you. If I'm modeling agency Barbizon.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Have you talked about Barbizon ever? You you talk about Barbara. Yeah,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: we've glazed over the mall scams, but we will one
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: day just hop in real deep with good old Barbizon
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: paying for those photos they.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Me when I was a teen, When I was little,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: I was living in the suburbs around Detroit. They try
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: to recruit me, and my mom was like, no, you're
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: not doing that. Sorry, bye, don't talk to my child.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: That is a real scam Barbizon, all of those where
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: it's like pay us and then we'll make you a star.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is is that acting and performing
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: in general, there's no blueprint. No, So we're all throwing
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: shit at the wall. We've all been scammed a little bit.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I've had some horrible fucking headshots with some some photographer
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: who once shot Jesse Tyler Ferguson like shot me his
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: New York apartment, had me looking like old ass Michelle
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Obama when I was twenty one, Like now you've like
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Michelle Obama. Now he had me looking like the old
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Michelle Obama at twenty one. And they were horrible photos
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and I can't use them. Their joke I'll post them sometime,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: but they were very expensive. And just because he shot
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Jesse Tylller Ferguson, I thought like, and I can't wait
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: for the people who have shot me to scam people
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: with my photos and be like, look, I shot Lady Bows.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Gift that keeps on giving. I can't wait until I'm
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: a part of people's scams. Please tell me if you're
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: running a scam with my name in it, I will
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: be happy for you. I won't see you. I mean
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I might out you, but I won't see you. But
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: so it's like in acting, there's always so many scams
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and you're kind of just throwing shit at the wall
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: and hoping that something sticks. And sometimes something that scamm
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: me ends up working out for you. So it's like
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: with Barboza and shit like that, Like they'll get people
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: who maybe fell for their scam but then became successful
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: after that because they truly were talented. But then they'll
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: be like, look at this girl.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: We did that, that was us, that was all me.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: So and also just look it up. If you get
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: an offer that sounds too good to be true, hit
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: a smooth Google, because that's the thing about people who
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: get scammed they're gonna hop on the Internet and they're
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: gonna talk about it. So good anything Google, Guys, if
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: you get a weird phone called Google, because I promise
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: you you're probably not the first person that they've done
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: it to your.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Friend's until it becomes sentient.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it betrays you, yes, which it eventually will Google.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: We will all be murdered by technology, honestly, the way
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I want to die.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like a good way to.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Go when the technology takes over. So and this is
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the saddest part of the show, Scammer of the Week.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: So this is when we honor I would never out
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: you for your scams list, just.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Know they're happening.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: They are, they are, They're pertinent, and they're they're fantastic,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: they're percolating. But this is what we honor a charlatan
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: who we really just feel as worthy of our praise.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: And this week it's don Trell Scott.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Oh that is a scammer name if I ever heard one.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: And don Tell Scott has got an iconic catchphrase, what
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: is it? This is a robbery? Oh? Is this the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: person who was wearing like the the shaking going yeah, yes,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, King dressed like a going and so.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Don Chell Scott was arrested following a Tuesday afternoon robbery
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: at sun Trust on Thirteenth Avenue and Blueses in North Carolina.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: So he also apparently has many wigs and sixteen different
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: mug shots. Police say that Scott was believed to have
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: a camouflage bag and a bottle of power Aid when
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: he walked into the counter and asked for a withdrawal slip.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: I love they had power Aid.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: I love though, because do you think that he picked
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: the bag because he was like, if I wear camouflage,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: they won't see it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I truly don't know. And I love that he's a
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: hydrated king, just staying hydrated while he's out here doing robberies.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's got a sprint, you know, he needs
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: those electrolytes, right.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. This image of all of his wigs,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: all of his he's serving these looks though, Like look
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: at his face. He is he even did his makeup
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: for the blonde wigged. Look at that he's wearing hot
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: pink lipstick for the blonde lady wig. Because he's like
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: doing Caucasian crimes with his blonde, with his blond lady wigs.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: He was like, I'm gonna give y'all gonna tell Barbie
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: like I love it.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is too good.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Okay. So then there was a funny joke that I
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: was seeing on Twitter that I love, which was like,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: if you look at the rose of his sixteen month shots.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Somebody who was like, we have Marina Selena corrinas Sabrina
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: about three camps LaToya and Tina.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: What's that one song that's like Sabrina La.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: That's oh, that's that's like. He also has all the
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: crystal yellow he got along. He's all that's somebody who
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: mixed it. They were like, and cookie, I met her
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: rapping an ice cream punk?
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: How many times has this person gotten picked up and
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: it's still out. Yeah, they're just like a slap on
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: the wrist. You, Oh, you silly.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: They must get out of here. They're like, get out
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: of here, Yeah, you can keep the wig.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Well, if he was never violent, then I guess it's
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: just kind of more of a nuisance than anything.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Well. Also, I don't think that he's been armed. I
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: think that people have assumed he's been armed, and he
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: hasn't been armed.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: He's just out there shooting a shot. He's like, hey, right,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: give him some money.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: This is a robbery. This is robbery, you know. And
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: so he reportedly that song. So he told the teller
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: that she was pretty. Aw So he goes, hey, girl,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: you are very beautiful. This is a robbery. I don't
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: know if I know how to feel. I'm like thank you.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Oh no, like how do you receive that? So he
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: left the powerade bottle on the counter and now it's
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: being simp for testing. And I'm kind of bummed that
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: he did that. That's slappy, like take the powerie with you.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: He probably just got too hyped because he was like
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: that worked, you believe me.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Just gotta say you're pretty. This is a robbery.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: So Scott had reportedly rented a room at the Colonial Inn.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Upon searching the room, police found a black notebook that
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: said this is a robbery.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Well, he wrote it down like he had to memorize
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: his line.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: He was like, I gotta get this right. Okay, this
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: is robberies. No fuck fuck okay, this is the robbery.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Fuck okay you are robbed. No no, no, that's past sense.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I'll never get this right. Or he maybe he was
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: sliding it under the counter because sometimes you don't.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Want to Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the ocean's eleven side. Yeah,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: like communicate via note.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: So. Phoenix City Police say that Scott was barking at
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: the wall while they conducted an interview with him before
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: bringing him back to Columbus. So this will happen in Columbus.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: He's barking like a dog.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: They said, he was barking on the wall. Okay. I
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: mean it's like, look, we need to question you, Like
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: that's a wick. It would be very difficult to get answers,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Like if you're not snitching, I guess you might as
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: well be barking. Like it's entertaining. If I work up,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I'd let this man go. He seems so fun, he
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: seems stable. I'm definitely not that k yeah, but also
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: just like someone who has the gumption to just be
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: so crazy.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, truly it's inspiring because it's like, you know what,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: we could all be a little more crazy.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Right, We're always trying to hide it. It will always
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: show it to people we trust. But what if we
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: just were just barking out here? You know why not? So,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: the teller said that she did not see a weapon
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: during the robbery, but feared that he had one. Sure,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: but if he didn't have one, like, it's not armed robbery, honestly,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I just asked you to give me money. You gave
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: it to me.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just tried it. She gave it to him.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: He was like, can I have some money in your register?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: This is a robbery. You're very pretty? Are you beautiful? Coming?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: You sexy bit you so sexy beautiful my comments give
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: me all the money in your tail?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: So sexy beautiful robbery please.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: So, a significant amount of money was not reportedly taken
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: during the so he didn't get away with a lot,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: and that probably also lowers the degree of felony that.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: He's not walking out with like a million, he's what
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: like fifteen dollars he walked out with dundry.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: So police say that Scott had a small amount of
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: methanphetamine on him at the time of his arrest. Oh,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: this explains very very much. It explains the barking. And
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Scott has sixteen different mug shots and we saw these
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: mugshots and they're honestly like these wigs like they know
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: him at the beauty supplies.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: So some of these are good wigs. These are not
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: just like Halloween store wigs.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Now, they're not Halloween store wigs, but I they're struggle wigs. Well,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta jujom a little, you know, you
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: gotta work with them. There's one one that he's got
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: a middle part where I'm like, that could probably be. Now,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: some of them do look synthetic, I would.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they all were definitely all synthetic. I don't see
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: any lace, so they're probably not lace.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Front Yeah, he's not doing frontals. You know, you got
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: to keep costs though. But also he's giving us different hairstyles.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: He's got different eye colors in some of these too.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: He's going like all out with the isaacs.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, what's crazy is is that he looks the same
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: in everything a different way. Like he doesn't have one
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: of those faces that you can camouflage because some people
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: you see them and they have a very strong jaw lines.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Because some people you can see who's somebody who's like
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: a chameleon who you can see them. They look completely
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: different all the time.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Gary Oldman, it looks different in every movie that he's in.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's Gary Oldman.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Charlie Starren can pull that off too.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Like so those people, it's like they can change their
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: weight or change their face a little bit or make
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: it who.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I like.
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  Speaker 1: Always no Meryl Streep, and she'd be doing the most.
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  Speaker 1: That's Marl scam is that in most movies where she
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  Speaker 1: takes on a character, she also takes on different hair.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes she puts in tee.
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  Speaker 2: She looks really different ages all that time. Because in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: some movies I'm like, she looks so good, and some
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  Speaker 2: I'm like yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's like the makeup. I think a part of
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  Speaker 1: her character process is like putting on ship because I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: was like, damn, she's such a good actress, and she is,
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  Speaker 1: but also there's a smoke in me of like false
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  Speaker 1: teeth and like, you know, all the ship that she's
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  Speaker 1: doing so but he looks like the same dude in
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: every photo. Like this.
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  Speaker 2: Will make your day truly, Oh gosh.
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  Speaker 1: All right, list, we've come to the conclusion of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you want to be found? I never asked
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: people where they can find you, just where you want to.
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  Speaker 3: I want to be found, you know, everywhere I'm on Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Liz Party, l i zz party. I spell it
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  Speaker 3: with two zi's. That is a scam. I'm on Twitter
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  Speaker 3: and this is my this is my best scam. My
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Twitter handle is just Liz and uh, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: don't need to know how I got that, but I
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  Speaker 3: did get.
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  Speaker 1: How did you get Liz? Scammed?
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  Speaker 2: I scammed Twitter for that handle.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I took it from someone. This is this is real.
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  Speaker 3: I took that Twitter handle from someone. Wait, okay, so
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  Speaker 3: I knew somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Robbery. This is robberies. You are very pretty exactly what happened?
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  Speaker 1: Wait what happened?
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, So I knew somebody who worked for Twitter,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: and back in the day this was I was a
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: quote unquote earlier adopter. If somebody wasn't using a Twitter
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: account and if it was in active note logins or anything,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: Twitter employees could repurpose them or they could basically, so
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: I got someone at Twitter to give me that handle
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: because no one had logged in for years.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Damn, that's smart. I want to snatchandos from people who
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: have been logged in for me. Yeah, so suddenly I'm running.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: People are constantly trying to get into my account though,
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  Speaker 3: because I have such a short handle and so I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: had to turn on all the like you know, six
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: factor authentication things because people were constantly trying to reset
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  Speaker 3: my password.
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  Speaker 1: Insane.
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  Speaker 2: Now people trying to scam me after I scam.
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  Speaker 1: Twitter, you know what I mean. But that's that's a
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  Speaker 1: part of the game. It's a part of the game.
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  Speaker 1: And guys, you can always find us, as we always say,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: if you have any retired scams that you don't mind
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: us laughing about or inspiring people to do to Papa John's.
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  Speaker 3: Scam Papa John's Scampapa on this is scam Papa John's
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  Speaker 3: for all their works.
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  Speaker 1: Steal from them, scam them. They're a bad company by
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  Speaker 1: a bad man. Fuck Papa and John both tho both
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: of them. I'm assuming it's two different people. But you
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: can email those scams into us at scam Goddesspod at
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  Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Also you can follow us at scam
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Goddess Pod on Instagram and Twitter, and you can follow
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  Speaker 1: Stacy Scam Goddess. This has been in the earwith production
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  Speaker 1: in association with Team Coco. Scam got his stars and
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  Speaker 1: it's hosted by me Lacy Mosley aka scam Goddess. Our
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: producer is jessicass Neros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia.
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  Speaker 1: Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle Stay
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  Speaker 1: Scamming