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The Best Criminal Defense (w. Mr. Keep You Outta Jail, Kaetan Mazza) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa melburnch.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about horse pedietry. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about my signature sen which is unrelated from
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  Speaker 1: horse pedietry. We're going to talk about how Melissa finally
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  Speaker 1: shared her secret season in Cabinet. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about Mitch McConnell's eternity leave, and we sit down with
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  Speaker 1: the internet's other favorite lawyer, mister keep You out of
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  Speaker 1: Jail kiton NASA. Michael just knocked over the entire plan.
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  Speaker 2: Will you hanging out with Ben? What are you hanging
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  Speaker 2: out with Ben?
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  Speaker 1: Ben's absolutely wild on the Internet.
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  Speaker 2: I love him so much. I love him.
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  Speaker 1: This is our former guest from two weeks ago, Ben Hopkins,
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  Speaker 1: that we're talking about because he was Hopkins, prager, hysterical,
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  Speaker 1: absolute menace on the Internet. Everything I see that I love.
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  Speaker 1: He's already liked, like you know how you can see
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  Speaker 1: what youeople like. That's how you know he's chronically online.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, let's get into the sidebar. How's your week?
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  Speaker 3: Ben?
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  Speaker 2: Fine? Do you feel like you need to I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's hard for you to say because so
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  Speaker 2: much of what you do is TikTok TikTok. But do
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  Speaker 2: you feel like you're on Internet too much?
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  Speaker 1: Me personally? Like you think I am, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: you're asking.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think I am.
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  Speaker 1: Oh No, I think I'm on it not enough. I
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  Speaker 1: have the opposite problem where I'm like.
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  Speaker 2: Is it because you think you should be posting more content?
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  Speaker 1: No? I want to consume more contente it only makes
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  Speaker 1: me happier, it really does.
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  Speaker 2: I am so overwhelmed, like not not, I'm it's I
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  Speaker 2: guess overwhelmed. It's too much. It's too much content, it's
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  Speaker 2: too much stuff. But I mean because because because of
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  Speaker 2: my problem, it's all kinds of stuff, right, So it'll
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: be like little kids. Then it'll be like cats, then
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  Speaker 2: it'll be like dogs. The other day I got stuck.
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  Speaker 2: There was like a whole drifting. No. Well, sometimes but
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  Speaker 2: like I follow a farrier. Do you know what that is?
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  Speaker 1: The horse feed, horse feet, the horse feet. We're going
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  Speaker 1: right into algorithm because it sounds like Melissa's algorithm is
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  Speaker 1: showing and this is ferrier, the dietary for horses. The
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  Speaker 1: smell alone, well, it's not smell a vision.
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching it.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't really into since though lately, like I can
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  Speaker 1: you smell my new colonne? I'm obsessed with getting like
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  Speaker 1: a new one.
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  Speaker 2: That smells nice.
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  Speaker 1: Gar Okay, it's like a Malaysian perfume cologne unisex.
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  Speaker 2: Where'd you get that from?
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  Speaker 1: This is the number three, it's the It's the In
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  Speaker 1: their series of five, I'm a TikTok influencer was talking
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  Speaker 1: about sin and I was like, I don't think because
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: everything we do is content. I'm always making videos and
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  Speaker 1: doing podcasts. I'm thinking less and less about in person
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  Speaker 1: experiences rather than digital experiences. And so I ended up
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  Speaker 1: on scent Talk Perfume Talk and started getting influenced by
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  Speaker 1: perfumes and colognes.
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  Speaker 2: There are too many talks and then.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, this is the craziest one. This is the
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  Speaker 1: scent profile, and I'm like, well, the only way for
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  Speaker 1: me to know is if I get that shit. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I got that shit?
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  Speaker 2: Wait, did you order it and it came to your home?
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  Speaker 1: I got the sampler? Yeah? I ordered the sampler.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've ordered samplers before because I'm always wondering, like
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  Speaker 2: if you order a scent that you've never had before
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  Speaker 2: and it comes to your house and it smells like
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a big one. Yeah, and you got and
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  Speaker 1: you hate it. Yeah. No, this was great because I
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  Speaker 1: also found this lady on Etsy not an Netsy Witch.
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  Speaker 1: Can talk about that later. Everyone's using that sya Witches Now.
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  Speaker 2: I believe in it, Etsy Witch.
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  Speaker 1: I feel left out why I feel like we should
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  Speaker 1: also get Sea Witches. Okay, but this woman on tiptoes,
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  Speaker 1: she'll do like a little sampler of a Colonner perfume
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  Speaker 1: for you and just charge you ten bucks. If the
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  Speaker 1: company doesn't have a sampler, you can order one for
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  Speaker 1: ten Like.
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  Speaker 2: There are a lot of these places, like especially in
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  Speaker 2: the Bronx, and I want to say, they're usually owned
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  Speaker 2: by people from Iran, and it's all like these scent oils.
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  Speaker 2: Oh cool, love that love so much I love.
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  Speaker 1: I would go to that and do like a field trip.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do that. We're going on a field trip. Oh yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: by the time this is aired, field.
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  Speaker 1: Trip will have happened. We're going to the Emily Dickinson Museum.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you know what, keep talking back, No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, We're going to thrift Con. But we'll be there.
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  Speaker 1: We will already have done been there. It'll be past
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  Speaker 1: tense by the time you hear this. But I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about with Melissa actually when it comes to sense,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about when we used to rub
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  Speaker 1: magazines on ourselves, when they put like the scent in
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  Speaker 1: the magazine that was where it was that you remember
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  Speaker 1: that scratch? Do you remember just getting a paper cut
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  Speaker 1: from rubbing the magazine on your neck? Because those were
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  Speaker 1: the days. That's how you know you were a nineties kid. Okay,
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: is this my green sauce?
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  Speaker 2: It's your green wow green.
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  Speaker 1: This is a good like YouTube cover, So CJ, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to just screen grab this, I'll give like
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  Speaker 1: a couple of faces. You know people on YouTube are
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  Speaker 1: always like aggrieved. Yeah, they're they're always like, what this
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  Speaker 1: look of astounding show?
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen our YouTube one? Yeah, we're always
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  Speaker 2: just like.
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  Speaker 1: It's always Christina and CJ. They're always like and it's
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  Speaker 1: always like, did the green sauce kill Michael? And it's
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  Speaker 1: my face, Like we don't know, we're gonna find out
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  Speaker 1: if I open this is gonna might go crazy style.
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  Speaker 2: No, you could smell it. So I I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Show those of you just listening since this is oh right.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: So we had talked a while ago about seasoning and
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  Speaker 2: I told Michael about this green seasoning that I make
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  Speaker 2: and he was like, okay, well don't do just be careful.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to blow my tits clear off. I
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  Speaker 1: can urn it.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. So Michael had said, well,
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  Speaker 2: you never made it for me, and then other people
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  Speaker 2: started chiming in in the comments and saying, Melissa, what
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  Speaker 2: are you going to tell us about your green seasoning?
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  Speaker 2: So that's it. I'm going to give c J the
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  Speaker 2: recipe if we could post it for you guys. I
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  Speaker 2: also recorded myself doing it, so I'll post that when
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  Speaker 2: the episode airs. But I'm gonna tell you something right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's spicy, it smells spicy.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually not spicy because I did not put I
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  Speaker 2: did not put Scotch bonnets in it because of bread.
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  Speaker 1: I got Scotch bonnets.
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  Speaker 2: Could yeah, I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Because I killed a man on six Avenue once. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you never know.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I'm going to say about my green.
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  Speaker 1: This green seasoning is a Sacca batteries and a SoC
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  Speaker 1: and it will beat you today. That's what it does.
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  Speaker 2: Haitian people don't come for me. This is how I
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  Speaker 2: make my green season You make yours the way you
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  Speaker 2: like it. I make mine the way I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care CiCe Momo by Bao, good Male Magan,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's theirs. This is mine. This is staty Mesas
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  Speaker 2: green seasoning, not your good Male's green seasoning. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just saying because people will poo poo, and people will
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  Speaker 2: come in and be like, that's not how you do it.
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  Speaker 2: That's how I do it. It's like the people who
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  Speaker 2: don't want you to wash the chicken. You don't wash
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  Speaker 2: your chicken. I wash my.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting very Queen's in the studio. You ate with that,
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  Speaker 1: that was you ate. You ate them up with green sauce.
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  Speaker 2: So that's all.
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  Speaker 1: That's so because they will come for you.
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  Speaker 2: People will come for you.
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  Speaker 1: And what are they going to say, there's no Scotch
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  Speaker 1: bondent in it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the person they're going to say, wise, isn't there
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  Speaker 2: Scotch bonnet in it? Because most people do.
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  Speaker 1: Because because and we will do like we will literally
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  Speaker 1: show them my husband who's a ginger from main by
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  Speaker 1: way of like French Canadian heritage, like his body is
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  Speaker 1: not built to handle a Scotch bonnet. No dead close
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  Speaker 1: casket might blow the body and the other thing.
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  Speaker 2: I will also say that usually Haitian folks don't put
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  Speaker 2: cilantro in theirs, but I like cilantro, so I put
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  Speaker 2: some in munch a superteer. You don't like cilantro, don't
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  Speaker 2: put it in yours.
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  Speaker 1: This actually might have been They're not sure. They're still
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: doing the autopsy. They're trying to determine the cause of
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: death for Lindsay Graham, so this could have been what
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  Speaker 1: killed him maybe. And did you see the little tap
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  Speaker 1: tap Trump did on his Uh, on his he did
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  Speaker 1: a little No, it's like a little knock knock on
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  Speaker 1: his coffin at the funeral.
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  Speaker 3: I'm knocking it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was the knock herd around the world. It was truly,
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  Speaker 1: knock three times on the ceiling if you want me.
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  Speaker 2: It was so crazy, really the old song. I know
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  Speaker 2: he can't sing, but it's like, uh, it's a knock
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  Speaker 2: three times on the ceiling, if you want me.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I just quoted. Is it, Yes, that's
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  Speaker 1: what I just said.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is it Melissa my bead? Was he knocking to
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  Speaker 2: see if he was in there.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: It was like, is it Hammer, Mitch McConnell, We don't
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: know who it is? Was it the first special? Did you?
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  Speaker 2: Did you look at the video that I sent you
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: that circulating the internet of Mitch McConnell as Michael Jackson
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  Speaker 2: in the Thriller video? I sent it to you, guys
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  Speaker 2: see c J looked at it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes you did send it to me.
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  Speaker 1: You don't understand the volume of memes I consume in
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: a day, but yes, I sent it to you. Yes
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  Speaker 1: you did, and you texted it directly to me and
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: our producer, which is like, really bad. I didn't watch it. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I did watch it though.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it's just I think it's funny.
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: I can't say. I can't. All I want to do
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: is sing the Thriller song, But now I can. Oh dead,
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: I'm dead.
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: Apparently we don't know, but we think Mitchell.
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: The deadline for a special election is I think right
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: after this episode airs, so they might announce he died
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: after this episode, Like when this is airing, Mitch McConnell,
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: we already know. Lindsay Graham gone.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't understand, Like, are they not
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  Speaker 2: supposed to tell people when the senator is m I
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: A like, there's no like, there's nobody to take the plate,
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: like even if we don't love the person. But isn't
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: there like a stand in?
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: Isn't there like a yeah, cheapest staff or somebody was
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: like the interim Yeah, I don't know, yeah, but I'm
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: I know it's going to be the like eleven fifty nine,
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  Speaker 1: the day after the deadline for the special elections. You
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: know what, It's.
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: Crazy, But shouldn't it be illegal?
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Totally?
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: But why isn't it because nobody's no one's I know,
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: no one's No one's driving the bus, nobody's doing that,
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: no one's driving.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: There's no accountability, and then its constituents aren't rising up
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: with fists. There are all the people who elected him.
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: I know, where are the pitch from all?
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry because there will be the There are liberal people.
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: Are liberal and conservative people everywhere.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: We know that, and they will listen to this and.
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: Be upset we're not talking about it, talk about you.
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but mom Donnie just announced thirty percent cheaper
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  Speaker 1: grocery stores, and every conservative on earth is freaking out
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: Because they don't like affordable grocery.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: It's become this like Maha lightning Rod that it's actually wild,
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  Speaker 1: Like if the government is subsidizing grocery stores, then therefore
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  Speaker 1: the government's deciding what food those people eat, and that
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: decision shouldn't come from a government, and because those decisions
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: are informed by like food lobbies or whatever. And it's like, right,
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: but these are in like food deserts.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: Right, there are places where if all there is around
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  Speaker 2: you is a bodega or like you know on seven
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: eleven type of the place, odds are you're not getting
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: a banana exactly right. You're probably going to get some
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: artificially flavored thing, you know. I know we talked about
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: this before, but like the it is so expensive to eat?
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, and that's the tea is that? Like, I know,
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: he's a controversial figure, especially Jack Schlosberg had a really
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: interesting talking point about this where people are always asking
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  Speaker 1: him like, oh, what do you think of RFK and
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  Speaker 1: Maha and and this whole notion of you know, food
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  Speaker 1: needs to be organic, and like what do you think
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: what is your response to like rfk's whole platform, love him,
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  Speaker 1: hate him? Jack Schlosberg was basically like, yeah, all RFK
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  Speaker 1: basically does is repeat back what we already know, right,
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  Speaker 1: that like eating healthier foods is good for you, good
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  Speaker 1: for you, and that you should be eating healthier foods
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  Speaker 1: because it affects your overall health. That's all. That's like
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  Speaker 1: his entire message. He doesn't have a message on like
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  Speaker 1: how to do that, how to like lower the cost
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  Speaker 1: of groceries, how to bring healthy foods to underserved communities.
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  Speaker 1: There's like actually no follow through on that message. So yes,
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  Speaker 1: and it's right now. It was just like yeah, sure,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: you're just kind of like parroting back what we already know.
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  Speaker 1: And the Trump administration has approved forever chemicals going onto
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  Speaker 1: every ounce of produce in America four times over because
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  Speaker 1: it's what that lobby pays the Trump administration. So lovely message,
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  Speaker 1: very shitty follow through.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, not surprising, not surprising at all. Disappointing,
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  Speaker 2: but not surprising the.
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  Speaker 4: Whole like government telling you what to eat too and
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: controlling what you eat. Wasn't that just what they were
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  Speaker 4: what the GOP was doing with food stamps, with like
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: why can you buy a diet coke with your food steps?
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  Speaker 1: Right exactly? It's like the same exact message for mom
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  Speaker 1: Donnie and what the government is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was this whole thing of like the
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  Speaker 2: diet coke, but also almost like somebody on food stamps
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  Speaker 2: should not be able to buy crab legs? Do you
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like you know what I'm saying,
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: Like that's what That's what they were saying. They did
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  Speaker 2: not they didn't feel like, oh, you don't think that
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: poor people should have things that they like, right.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, you don't you know, you don't think they
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  Speaker 1: should have any joy in their life?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they should.
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  Speaker 2: They should be ashamed of being poor, yes, but it
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: is their fault, and that because.
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  Speaker 1: We aren't poor, we get to design what happens with
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  Speaker 1: them and what their choices are. We get to winnle
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  Speaker 1: away what their choices are and decide for them.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: That's messed up, it is, I mean, the whole thing
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  Speaker 2: is messed up, right.
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  Speaker 1: It's like why you and I get to decide what
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  Speaker 1: we can and cannot eat because we're not a food stands?
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  Speaker 1: Right yeah? Right, but they shouldn't be afford that luxury
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  Speaker 1: is like the message that they're basically sending, Yeah you
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  Speaker 1: should you.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Know, you're only allowed to eat you know, canned green beans, yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: destined for a life of like bland food or like
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  Speaker 2: things that are not good for you. Do you know
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: what I mean? It's like everything with these people, it's
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  Speaker 2: a they want to take your choice away. Yes, right,
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  Speaker 2: And this is like your body. Your choice is not
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: just about your sort of sexual health, right, it is
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  Speaker 2: about everything. It is about the things that you consume.
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  Speaker 1: Legcilating your entire life from a group.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Of people who feel like the government shouldn't tell me
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  Speaker 2: what to do, don't tread on me, right, but here
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  Speaker 2: you are.
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  Speaker 1: And then Mom Donnie is like literally three grocery stores
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  Speaker 1: in a city with twelve million pe people. Uh, They're like,
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  Speaker 1: we can't believe he would ever do that. I love
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Mom Donna because he literally every single day he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to show you that politicians can actually do
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  Speaker 1: things for you and actually change your life for the better,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: for the better, and like that politicians can actually work
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  Speaker 1: for you. And then they all get mad because he's
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: doing it, Yeah, writing headlines like it's the Daily Bugle
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  Speaker 1: writing about Spider Man, every single headline about Mom Donnie.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he's giving he's doing like puppies and Times Square.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: He's doing puppy adoptions. How oh my god?
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: No, no, he went to the World Cup. Why is
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: he having fun?
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: This is crazy? We have a guest today and we.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Sure do your counterparts?
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Would you say I would say that we're both lawyers?
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't say were counterparts.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Lawyers?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my internet bestie.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: You tossed that word best deer around a little too
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  Speaker 2: much for my taste.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, but like you know, off the record, you.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Are my best Why I got to be off the record?
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I know because, like you know, because because they're like.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Because there are other ones who think.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: You's going to see this.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Alyssa launches. You know, she's got me sniped.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: She doesn't. I know. We had to talk to our guests,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: but I was thinking about this earlier. Andre texted me
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: just now he was like, where are you right? And
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I had told him where I was coming, but he
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: also he could look to see where I am if
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: he wanted to write. Do you and Brad share your
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: locations with each other?
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I share locations with everybody, do you really? Yeah? I
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: want people to know where I am in my life. Yeah,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to some weird fucking places like the detention center.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Is like I'm going off.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, me and I only share my location
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: with Andre.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was like, yeah, you don't shairt with me.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: No, I don't, but you sare. But I know where
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: you are.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: You are at home.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I like it inside. But yeah, I thought it was.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I was just like, you could check where I'm at,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: and he was just like, oh yeah, no, I forget
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: You'd rather just ask me.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a break. We'll be right back. Welcome
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: back to brief Recess. This is under oath where we
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: take a deep dive into a topic with an expert.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm really excited because today we have Cayton Masa,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: who's a criminal defense attorney and founding partner of Got
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Kayton, Hello, thank you so much. We're glad to
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: have you. You know, I want to say that if
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: you you assume a lot that you are anyone's favorite attorney.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Well, he's he's actually the most popular attorney in my family.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: My cousin you got to you gotta be like this guy.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: You gotta love it. I'm going on his podcast. I
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: love it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: You'll be my family's favorite podcast guest on this show.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: They'll be yeah. Uh, they're always you know, they're always
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: coming for me. But thank you for joining us. I
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: thought it'd be really cool if we got into a
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: conversation about criminal defense. Thought it was my favorite favorite
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: subject in law school. I worked a lot of criminal
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: defense cases early on in my career, so I thought
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: it would be fun to have you one to talk
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: about that. I know it's something that's really important to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of people in the criminal justice system. Uh
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: oftentimes and documented very much through uh data is there
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to uh sort of criminalize behavior of black and brown
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: people over white people. So it felt like a really
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: apt conversation to have with you about you know, your
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: work in the space. So welcome.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I mean, yeah, you know, people think
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: about the criminal justice system as a you know, something
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: that brings about public safety or something that corrects people's behavior.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: But in the majority of the instances, we're mostly criminalizing poverty,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: we're criminalizing race, we're criminalizing and we're not helping people
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: who maybe need correction in real life, you know. So
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: it's you know, people say, you know, why can't you
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: just admit to what you did? And you know, face
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: the music. It's like, you know, if I was trying
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: to correct the child's behavior, I wouldn't say, punch yourself
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: in the face right right. I would want them to
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I would want to lead them on a better path.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And I just don't think that's what we currently have.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: You would hope if it was a kid, for example,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: that you'd be able to give them another option. Absolutely,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: So somebody who maybe is just take a random thing
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: with somebody who has grown up in poverty and decides
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: to sell drugs because there's no other they feel though
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: they have no other option, right, what do we do?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Do we put that person in jail forever? I mean,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I think about a lot about the people who are
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: still in jail over marijuana sales, right and now, what
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: they must feel like to realize that everyone is literally
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: blazon up on the street. Meanwhile, do you know what
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I'm saying Meanwhile, they've been in jail for years.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't want to get me started on
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: the war on drugs policy because I am vehemently against
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: any criminal prosecutions when it comes to narcotics because it
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: simply does not do what you think it does. They think,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: you know, you're reducing addiction, or you're making the communities
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: more safe. You're doing none of that. Drugs are more available,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: drugs are more dangerous, Addiction is more prevalent. I mean,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: we have about one hundred thousand people a year overdosing, right,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: it's they're not doing anything. But when this started in
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: like nineteen seven, you know pass of the Controlled Substances Act,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: there were less than twenty thousand people a year overdosing
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: on drugs. I mean that's just a fact. And it's
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: gotten worse and worse and worse each year. And you know, frankly,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: nobody some exceptions, but nobody wants to sell drugs, especially
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: hard drugs. Right, it's not a I deal with a
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: lot of people who are in that business. Nobody is
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: doing it because it's fun. It's how you put food
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: on the table today. Right, you know, you can get
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: a job, but it takes time. People need food on
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: the table. Today in this country, the worst thing you
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: could be is broke. It's almost better to be a
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: bad person than it is to be broke, because that's
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: what you get punished for.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't seem to have any empathy for people
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: who are poor. There's a lot, especially in this country.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's a lot of well why don't
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you just pull it yourself up by the bootstraps kind
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: of talk? Do you know what I mean? Things that
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: we've heard over and over and over again. Why are
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: you sitting home waiting for a handout? Type stuff? Yeah?
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people selling drugs are definitely not waiting for a.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Handout, right, Right, It's almost like they've taken it into
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: their own hands.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Right, You're taken initiative. I mean it's not. And the
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: thing is, it's not like they're going to people saying.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Hey, would you like this drug?
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: People are quite literally I mean, so you go to
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: certain neighborhoods that have, you know, let's say, open air
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: drug markets. People are coming from outside the neighborhood and
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: stopping young people who look like they might be involved
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: and asking them. At a certain point, the tenth person
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: that asks you for drugs. You might if you don't
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: have food on the table, you might say, why am
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I just leaving?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe I should start selling truble.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, it might not even be like, oh, I'm
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: going to be a drug dealer. It's like I just
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I need fifty bucks to get me through the week.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of like a lot of people's and
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I imagine how some listeners might hear that and think like, oh, well,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: why don't they seek out that job that is better
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: or legal or not drug related? And it reminds me
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of how a lot of migrants that I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: work with come from a gang background in their country
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of origin. Right it's oftentimes the only way to access
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: food and water. And I think when people hear, oh,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Michael has defended people affiliated with a gang, they have
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: never understood what it's what it's like to live somewhere
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: where you literally might your family member might live or
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: die because they don't have access to food or medication.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: They're coming from this like extreme place of privilege. People
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: don't understand that just eating lunch today is a privilege, right,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that so many people don't actually do that, and it's
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: very hard for be able to get into that headspace,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: especially judges, right, especially people who are in the legal practice.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And so sometimes judges will ask me about my client, well,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: what do they want to do if I grant them assignum,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: who do they want to be in the US, Like,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: what do they want to do when they're here? And
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: it's like, you're under my client seventeen has never had
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to dream about a life. They don't have
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: an iPhone, They do not watch people's professions on the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: internet and see what they are. They haven't had running water,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: they haven't had lunch they had it, or they haven't
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: had access to food and water, medication, basic infrastructure needs, right,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and so people just sort of I think there is
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: this misconception in these conversations where people are like, well,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: why don't they just not do that? And people are
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: saying that from this position of judgment, from this position
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: of privilege, where they're not really understanding their own privilege
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: when they are making those assumptions about people, right, notion
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: that oh, well, why don't I just sell drugs or
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: why don't I just and they don't understand that, No,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that's literally the only option. It's like that or the Street.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to touch on two things you said,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: because one thing that people don't really acknowledge is that
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of people who sell drugs have full time jobs.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: The full time jobs just don't make ends meet. Wow. Right,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: So you know, if you're working for minimum or near
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: minimum wage and you live in a city like New
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: York City, it's not paying the rent and putting food
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: on the day, right. You need all of the above.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: You need assistance, you need a job, and you need
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: a side hustle whatever that is. Right. And another thing
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: is that, yeah, the criminal justice system is where the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: mainstream society eats up the other half of society. Right,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: because if you're in a turn any more than likely
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: some people some of us have you know, are real people.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: It's rare, but some of us are actual human beings.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: But the majority of them are you know, these I
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: don't I don't want to disparage people, but they're they're
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: not human in the way that I understand people to
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: be right. They don't grasp what the people that are
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: coming into their courtroom are dealing with, right, And they're
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: not interested in Yes.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like I think you've struck on something
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: about like why you've hit such a nerve on the internet, right.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I think so many people gravitate towards your videos. If
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen them, watch them, because they really are Like,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of gatekeeping in the legal industry. Vice,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of like barriers to information because that's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: how lawyers get paid. And I think you do a
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: great thing where you really break that down and say like, look,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: this is what you do if the cops stop you, right,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: and this is what you're saying, This is what you
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: do if you handle this situation. This is why talking
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to the police is a problem, Like this is what
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: they're trying to do. So on that subject, is there
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: any are there cases you want to talk about? Are
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: things that have come up recently in the courts? Trends
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you've seen our listeners are very key to end to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: sort of like hot topic lawsuits right now.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: So I'm in the criminal defense world. You know, one
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: thing that I've I keep seeing is that, look, people
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: don't understand self defense, right, they don't. They don't understand
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: how the law treats it. Right. I just advised somebody
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: on a case yesterday where he was quite literally on
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: a Long Island railroad platform and it's on video. He
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: was approached on both sides by people with ski masks
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: who had weapons. He forcefully asked them to leave him alone.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: They continued, and he pulled out a weapon and shot
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: one of them. They didn't the person didn't die. But
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: that person is somebody who has an active armed robbery
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: case in Queens and has multiple pictures online displaying firearms.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Now I'm somebody who's not a big fan of firearms.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of violence, and I'm not
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: a fan at all of violence, but I you know,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: you would think in a situation like that where the
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: self defense claim is so overwhelmingly strong, right, Like he's
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: confronted with weapons with people who are obviously there to
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: do them harm. You know, he was charged with attempted murder.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: He spent eight months in jail before he got a
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: chance to get bailed out. And you know, now the
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: offer on you know, they're they're they're they think they're
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: acting like they're doing him a favor by offering him
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: five years in jail. And you know, yes, the weapon
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: was unlicensed, but in this country that line is so range, right,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: because there's people who have full armories in their house.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Know, people who are caring for a legitimate self defense.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just something that I wish people understood
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: a little bit better because they think they're gonna walk
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: out of a police station because they defended themselves when no,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, even in the best of circumstances, you're gonna
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: be sitting down for a while.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: How long have you been doing what you do? How
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: long have you been attorney?
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I got licensed in two thousand and one January two
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: thousand and one. For a little while, I did tenants
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: defense ten rights, So you know, I like that gave
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: me a good opportunity to sort of be in court
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: a lot really early, deal with judges and frankly, I
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: guess I'm calling out people. But landlord attorneys.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Are the worst.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: So it's like you get a chance for some easy wins.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: The reason is because New York City just started giving
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: people free attorneys in eviction cases. Before that, you had
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: unrepresented tenants coming in and landlord attorneys saying, all right,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: if you get out in seven days, i'll you know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: we won't charge you any money. And they're like, can
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I have thirty and they're like done, and then I
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: come in and it's like, hell, yeah, you're not going anywhere,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: and we're withholding rent. You know, it's like you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: so all of a sudden, they're pulling their hair. You know.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I've never been cursed out by an opposing counsel except
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: by landlord attorneys. They are the only ones that have
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: ever been on professionals.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I will say, tenant disputes are the number one things
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: of my DMS. Yeah, no matter from day one, everybody
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: deals with especially everyone does, especially I mean, it is
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the issue, right that everyone deals.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: With the New York I mean especially because in a
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: city like New York where rent is so high, right,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: so you'll get roommates and then eventually somebody's going to
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: have a terrible roommate, right, and something's going to happen.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Or you're living in sort of the most disgusting apartment
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: and you're complaining about like a rat infestation, and now
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: you're the problem. Right. What's the goal, right, just to
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: get people just to have.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: A turn, to get people out.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: You know that you can charge more money when somebody
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: new comes in.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of different reasons. By the way, I
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: just want to say. As an attorney, I deal with nuance.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of bad landlords out there, but
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I have a very good landlord. I live in a
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: rent stabilize and Harlem and Jay, you're the man. I
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: love you. He's working me through some tough times. I
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: love you.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: What made you decide? You know, I've never asked Michael
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: this question either. What made you decide to start sort
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: of posting yourself online talking about the work that you do.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: There's two reasons. First of all, I was starting to
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: practice and nobody know who the hell I was, so
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I had to try to get the word out. But no,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: But what I realized so when I was in law school,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: the first internship I took it was with an organization
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: called Legal Outreach. We taught a law class to eighth
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: grade New York City public school students. And it's not
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: because I'm the greatest guy, because they paid, but it
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: was also honestly the best thing. Not just because it
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: was an awesome job. I loved working with these kids,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: but it taught me that there is nothing in the
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: law that's too complicated that I can't explain it to
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: an eighth grader. Okay, Like so you know, especially in
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: my early days practicing. You know, I found that I
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: was popular with my clients, not because of anything except
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: that I was able to explain to them what they
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: were going through. Attorneys are by and large very bad
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: at explaining the law.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: It's a communication problem.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's communication issues. And the thing is to give
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: them some credit. When you know something, it's hard to
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: relate to somebody who doesn't know it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: And also, yes, yeah exactly. And a lot of the
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: times attorneys are like expertise. It's their expertise. They've done
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: this forever, they know every little corner up it, so
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: they feel like getting questioned on it is an affront, right,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: or that if they have to like dumb it down. Yeah,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: but really good lawyers are able to I think are
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: just good communicators. Because they have to explain it to
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: a jury, or they have to explain it to a judgment,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: is nothing about the case.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Lawyers really should not discount what their clients are talking about, right,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: because even if they don't have it exactly right. I've
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: had clients who have been like, hey, I look this
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: thing up and what about this, And I'm like, well,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: not exactly that, But that's a good idea. Let me
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: let me dig into this a little bit more, you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: because you're dealing with people, it's their life, you know,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: like they're interested, they're invested.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: If anyone's going to be doing the research.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: And you to sort of like brush that off is
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: not just like you know, too proud and arrogant. It's
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: it's also just bad lawyering. You know, you could you
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: should benefit. You know, I always tell young lawyers it's like,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: make best friends with the court clerks. Make best friends
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: with paralegals who have been in the game for a
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: long time, because they understand the law in a different way.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: And there's they like understand these little nitty gritty parts
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: of the law that.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Also save your ass like nine times out of ten
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: unload sah, because you know the clerk and you can
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: just call them.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you how well this just generally I
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: think that it's I think people discount support staff everybody
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: from like you know, the paralegal, the court clerk, the receptionist,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the secretary is and let me tell you know who
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: knows everything the janitor. They I am not kidding, they
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: really really do it. And and and it's sort of
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: they do and doorm It's it's because they know these
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: things because people discount them, right, they are invisible, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: they will say it in front of them and they
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: may not be able to sort of like get you
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: out of jail, but they will tell you, you know what,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: that judge drinks. Am I wrong? But that's but but
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I really think that's true, right, Like people like that
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: because I was a paralegal and I knew all kinds
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: of stuff about the attorneys because because of the attorneys
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: that I was working with, right, I knew when they
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: were having a bad day and how I could take
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: that bad day and use it to my advantage. Do
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? So you were new, you
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: were trying, you had a new practice, and you want
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: people to know who you were.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: And I wanted to try to explain the law is
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: so like inaccessible to people because like you read a
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: legal document and the way that it's written is written
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: in a way that nobody would ever communicate. Right, It's
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: not like, oh, like you could be have a master's
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: in English literature and it's just the way that they're
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: speaking is just ridiculous. Right, So if you can just
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: put things in plain language. Right, it's sort of created
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: this space for Charlotte's to come in, you know, like
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: the sovereign citizen types. And I don't a lot of
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: lawyers like to bash these sovereign citizen types. And I
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: understand it's very silly and you're going to get yourself
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: in trouble, but they're dealing with this incomprehensible power that
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: controls their life, their life, and they're trying to make
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: sense of me. They're trying to reclaim some of that power.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: And you know, I get it. They're listening to people
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: online or telling you, oh, if you don't give the
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: court jurisdiction, then they can't do anything to you. And
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: it's like, well, let me explain to you what jurisdiction
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: actually is to tell you, oh, jurisdiction is so complicated,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: you can never No, it's just the court's power over you. Right.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: It's like if you're in.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: A whether you can even go to that court.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly. It's very simple.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Why did you start posting online other than you just
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: like people to listen to.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I wish I had like a reason, but I was
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I was my client. I had to go pick them
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: up from a police station and it was during Pride Month,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: and I was wearing like a crop top and Koucie
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: cutters and like mesh and it was I and I
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: had to go to the precinct and I was like,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: this is the stupidest fucking thing that's ever happened to me.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And so I made a video about it, and it
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: got two million views, and then I was a TikTok
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: lawyer all of a sudden, and then I just was like, oh,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you think that's funny, wait till you hear what happened
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: last week. And I just started doing that and then
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: next thing I knew, I had, you know, a following,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and I just kind of kept doing it because I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: think what I hope and maybe what I think happened
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: is that, like you're saying, the legal profession is opaque
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and it is gate kept, and you know, non lawyers
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and lawyers, there's this this divide. And I think what
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I was doing, unbeknownst to myself, was that I was
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: showing that, you know, we are real people and very
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: stupid things happened to us. Yeah, and like a gay
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: millennial lawyer during Pride Month, like this happened to him,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: and that is objectively funny that that shit went down,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: and like, like, I'm sure that's happened to us, not
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that specific situation, but every lawyer has had the stupidest,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: most hilarious, ridiculous thing happened to them and they don't
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: talk about it because we're supposed to be ultra conservative,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: uptight and not.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Be human but up, buttoned up.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And so the fact that I was immediately of the Internet,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: an Internet fall of let's face it, gen z and millennials,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: was like, I am none of those things, and yet
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I'm an attorney, was I think new for the internet
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many attorneys come up with
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: me and go, oh man, I love yourself. I wish
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I could say what you say online all the time.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I gotot all the time.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: No one's stopping you. Maybe people are.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Like, I want to start making a following on the Internet,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I literally started in twenty twenty four,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: like it's been two years. I was late to the
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: TikTok game, so like, yeah, sorry, go ahead, and no.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I just was wondering what because I feel like I've
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: never I know Michael forever, and I've never asked.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Them, So it just kind of happened organically. And then
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I like, I was like, this is fun. And then
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I made a bunch of friends on the internet. And
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: then you know, once you have a couple of vocal
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: stems go viral. Next thing you know, people are like
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: shouting deep bay at you on the street, right, And
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I love it. It's a blast.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you, I'm really interested in the work
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: that you were doing with the eighth graders. So what
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: kind of questions would they ask you?
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: So kids see authority and they think, oh, I have
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: to do what the authority says, or I get in trouble.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: In fact, that's what most people think, right, Yeah, So
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: you know, I they were really interested in how they
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: could assert their rights. They're really interested. You know, they
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: were worried if you know, do you get in trouble
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: if you say I'm not going to answer questions. You
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: get in trouble if you say, like I want my
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: parent or my lawyer. And people think that still adults think, yeah, right,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like I've made the same video a million
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: times about just don't answer police questions.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Just don't I always say, just imagine next to the
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: police officer is a stenographer, core reporter, just typing everything
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: you're saying, right, everything's in admission in court when you're
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: talking to a police officer.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: People don't because they think, like this woman posted on
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: my reply to me today and said, you know what's
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: wrong with just saying that I'm innocent? Well, the words
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: i'm innocent, first of all, if you just say them
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: is kind of a little bit strange. But it's also
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: it's not that you're saying I'm innocent, it's how you're
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: explaining that you're innocent, and you don't realize which facts
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: that they're going to use to imply the existence of
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: the crime.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Jury.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you can indicet a ham sandwich. That's
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: the old 's the.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: This is Tells from the Dams, where we answer all
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the wicked and wild, second twisted things you send us
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: on the internet.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Oh man, So, while Michael and Kayton are attorneys, they're
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: not your attorneys. So get your own or you could
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: hire me.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly you can meo so Tells from the DMS people
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: are always sending. These are all the questions people send us.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: So I thought it'd be fun to keep you around
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: for this segment. Because I want to ask you. Every
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: person in the world messages us how to get out
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: of jury duty. And it is for every single jurisdiction.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Like they're asking us about federal cases, they're asking us
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: about my small town in Ohio. What have you seen
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: people do? Because you do more jury selection than I do.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: There's no jury in immigration court, so I can really
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: only call upon past experiences in the little you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: one off criminal case that I take here and there.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, I'll tell you this. If you say or
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: imply that you can't trust a police officer, they're probably
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: going to remove you from a jury because they want
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: you to trust a police in a criminal case. In
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: a criminal case.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: So if this is the landlord dispute, yeah there're no
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: cop there. Yeah, yeah, no cop.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: But please, if you're somebody who doesn't trust police, please
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: stay on the jury's I need you.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Don't get off.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I need jurors who do not trust the police.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: If you want to be on a jury, I mean.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: You have every reason not to. And you know, listen,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: you know it's funny because I'm very critical the police.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: My grandfather, who is one of my favorite people in
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: the world, was a new York City police officer and
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: both my uncles who are two of my best friends.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: So as lawyers, we deal with nuance, right, you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: we deal with nuances. You know, we have our differences
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: of opinion. I love them to death, but frankly, it's
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: not about the individual police officers. It's about the system
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: that they represent and everything that they're trained to do
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: is tell a narrative that may not be attached to
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: the truth, and it very often is not attached to
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: the truth.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: We have some messages from the City of Boston. I
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: wonder why, let me just explain what happened.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Michael decided to go on a tear.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: I think I saw this.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I'm so sick of the city of Boston. I'm not
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the Scottish people for the world worse.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I don't got And the thing about it is when
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I said to him, why don't you like the city
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: of Boston? And he said, I have a toxic X
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Do you know what.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I mean? We're New Yorkers.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Why are you defending the city of Boston.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Because I don't know. Oh my god, Jay wow, against
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: being town. I'm trying. I'm trying. But anyway, before so, Michael,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Michael decided that he's gonna go on a tear and.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Keep us funny.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: People came for.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Him, Michael, I live in Boston. This is Lanship thirteen.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: We're not all that bad, though, I'll admit him a
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: terrible driver. See I called it, Massachusetts drivers are gonna
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's how I'm gonna be unalive to that
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: being said. I was on a flight from London to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Boston and I was listening to that episode and I
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: just kept love me out loud that the steward has
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: shushed me.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I love that. I love that.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I like that she admitted that she's a bad driver.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: It's somehow everyone's a good driver, but then you get
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: on the road.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: And they're they're not feering into me.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I don't drive, so you can't at on me. I mean,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I don't have a car. I don't drive. Now, okay,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: how do you get around subway?
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: What happens when you leave New York?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Melissa is my lockdown.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: My my wife usually drives. She's a very good driver,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: and she's also the most beautiful first grade teacher in
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: all of the world.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Just came back from your honeymoon.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Yes I did.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Oh so you're newly married.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, we are got a baby doo in September.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Oh do you know what you're having?
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Baby girl having congratulations? Yeah, he's having a boy.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: And I say this, I love kids so much. I
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: love I'm obsessed with babies.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: So please send me picture the pics as soon as Even.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: When they're brand new and they look a little bit
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: like gremlins, I still like it.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I can't wait.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: It's so excited for you.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Thank god I can afford diapers at this point. I know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: not the good ones, but.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Target.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Ye.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: I have a follow up question if you don't mind
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: for about Jerry's selection. Sure, so if somebody doesn't says
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: they don't like cops, they don't even make it to
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: the point where you would be deciding between a person
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: or not.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: So this is how jury selection works. Each side has
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: as a number of peremptory strikes. Right, you don't choose jurors,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: you exclude yours, so you'll ask questions. It's called the
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: voir dear. And you know, each side is trying to
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: sort of get to know these people and sort of
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: get to know who they are without tipping off too much.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: And you know, if you demonstrate that you're someone who
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: questions authority, who doesn't believe eve. You know, if you're
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: somebody who doesn't just take a police officer's words as
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: gospel truth, they're going to try to get you off
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: the jury because they don't. If you're a prosecutor, you
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: don't want that. So in volunteer.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: If there's twenty or thirty people and the jury is
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: only twelve, he's given like three peremptory strikes before to pick,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: pick and choose.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: It's more than that. They're basically trying to get off
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: people that they think will vote not guilty, And you know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get off to people who I'm sure
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: will vote guilty.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay. The people Ronda and Laura who are asking
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: about the video of me playing soccer with a bunch
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: of middle schoolers is on the internet. It's on set
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: well free, and there's an extended version on YouTube.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I'll repost, which is he reached out to me too.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I forgot about that guy. Oh yeah, he asked me
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: to play soccer with Are you kidding? Yeah?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: He said, I said yes.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I'm into a but not the
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: gig going to me? No, No, it's I didn't. I
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: forgot about it, honestly, sorry, sorry will you didn't reply,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I replied, but then things came up and I just.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Because this is casting a wide net.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: So I was like exhaust, I hadn't slept in like
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: two days. And I replied from a plane. I was like, sure,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't remember. We agreed on a date. And then
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: it was like, it's the shoot day and I showed
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: up dressed like you diving for soccer wells, And I
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: didn't read the part where they said they wanted you
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: to play soccer, so I missed the whole thing.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Were you trying to block goals? Yes?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: That defense, defend the goal?
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I didn't. Yeah, anyway, no one told.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Me that was so funny.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Still the secrets, Wow, No, this is how sorry about that?
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I got.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: This is the business. This is the dirty business.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: I just got married, I got the kid on the
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: you're busy, things are slipping through. I need a secretary.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if you saw this, but we
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: got somebody who was talking about they worked in a
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: nail salon, and a woman with one hand came in
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: and wanted a fifty percent discount right. So this guy
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: was talking about all kinds of things, and for whatever reason,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: this brought up for Michael the time that he accidentally
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: bought one shoe.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Yes on eBay and I thought that a shoe. I
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: thought it was like the sample of the pair.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: But let the record reflect that.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: The arrived and I was like, where's the other shoe?
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: But then he sent me the ad and I was like,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: you didn't read it because it says one show said.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: One shoe in the anyway fine print, one shoe to
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: rule them all, and in the darkness behind them this
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: person wrote in.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Right, So then Michael, So I asked Michael, what did
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: you end up doing with the shoe? And he said
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: he donated it. So this woman or I'm sorry, somebody
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: somebody wrote in and said you donated one shoe.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I just kind of
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't really thinking, guys, I'm.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Sorry, there's somebody with one foot who's maybe it's.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Very grateful or mismatched.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was actually the question that I think that
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask but didn't want to act.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I felt bad, but you went ahead and did it.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: So I was just wondering you could have donated to
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: somebody who's who needs that one shoe? But you didn't
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: think about that because you're selfish.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't think at all, no problem. I
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: think that was where we land.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Sometimes when you donate to Goodwill, it's just here, you
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: throw this out.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, I know I do that too, and I
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: feel bad about it sometimes. But it's like I feel
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: like overwhelmed.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: You don't know that we don't know they're yeah, I mean,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: because they might be like, oh, thank god we got
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: more the other more political t shirts. Like we were like,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we don't know, like what
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the They're not giving us a list of like things
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: they need.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: It's like when you the shirts that have the team
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: that didn't win the Super Bowl on them and they
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  Speaker 3: send them out across the world. People and like Ukraine
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  Speaker 3: wear and I know, you know yeah Spurs World championships,
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  Speaker 3: like the yacht.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you for joining us on brief recess.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for good to have you. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: I had a great time.
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  Speaker 1: Where can everyone find you on social media?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm on TikTok and Instagram. I'm at mister keep
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  Speaker 3: you out of jail. So it's k e E P
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  Speaker 3: y ou ou tta jail.
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  Speaker 1: Hell Yeah, I love it. I love that only kids
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  Speaker 1: in his neighborhood salute him and said, mister, keep you
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  Speaker 1: out of jail.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like sort of a micro celebrity in my neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: I love that, especially the kids. I love when kids
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  Speaker 2: are paying attention, mister, keep you out of jail.
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  Speaker 1: production recorded at iHeart Studios, posted by me Michael Foot and.
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  Speaker 2: Me Melissa Malbranch. Our producer is CJ. Ferroni.
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  Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Nicholas Skill.
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  Speaker 2: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain and our guest booker
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  Speaker 2: is Patria Cottner.
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