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Tv star Heather Locklear arrested; where is missing doctor? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Atlanta police say it doesn't make
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Speaker 1: sense why this scientist with a sixth of your job
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Speaker 1: at the CDC would just vanish. Timothy Cunningham's a Harvard
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Speaker 1: educated epidemic intelligence officer. Colleagues at the CDC say he
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Speaker 1: went home sick on February twelve and was never seen again.
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Speaker 1: His car, keys, wallet, credit card, phone, and even his
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Speaker 1: dog were found locked inside his house. There is a
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Speaker 1: lot that I cannot simply explore this. This is an
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Speaker 1: extremely unusual set of circumstances. It is not common and
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Speaker 1: missing person cases for us to find someone's entire blong.
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Speaker 1: Police are searched the home, jail, hospitals, even a nearby cemetery.
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Speaker 1: This week they helped to research a wooded area near
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Speaker 1: this scientists neighborhood. Are you awake? Are you away? Mom?
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Speaker 1: Are you awake? Seemingly the very last text message sent
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Speaker 1: by a c d C doctor to his mother and
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Speaker 1: then he vanishes into thin air? But what happened? I
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Speaker 1: Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. The search is on as heart broken parents
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Speaker 1: to this missing c d C star want answers. Tim
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Speaker 1: Cunningham asked his mom early, early in the morning, Mom,
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Speaker 1: are you awake? That's the kind of thing that you
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Speaker 1: send to your parents or to your loved one or
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Speaker 1: the closest person to you when you have something you
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Speaker 1: want to talk to them about. Hey, are you awake?
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Speaker 1: And if you are, then I want to talk to
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Speaker 1: you about something that's commonly how that has perceived well,
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Speaker 1: that urgent text, mom are you awake? Is the last
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Speaker 1: time anyone has scene heard from no of Tim Cunningham,
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Speaker 1: a bright star at the Center for Disease Control at
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Speaker 1: a time when the c d C is on the
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Speaker 1: forefront of so many volatile issues. With me right now.
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Speaker 1: Dr William Moroney, renowned medical examiner and author of a
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Speaker 1: brand new book on Amazon, American narcan, George Siro, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: and Robin Willinski, investigative reporter with w s B on
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Speaker 1: the scene. Robin, let's start at the beginning. What do
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Speaker 1: we know? Here's the thing, Nancy. Timothy Cunningham is thirty
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Speaker 1: five years old, and he was an epidemiologist at the
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Speaker 1: CDC and Shambly, Georgia, and by all accounts he's a
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Speaker 1: really good guy. Break it, yeah, Robin will Lynsky, I
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Speaker 1: know the way epidemiologists just trips off your tongue, but
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Speaker 1: not everybody knows what that is us. Well, he was
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Speaker 1: involved in, you know, the study analysis of diseases in
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Speaker 1: certain populations, how diseases affect whites versus how diseases affort
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Speaker 1: affect black people. And he was very involved in this,
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Speaker 1: and he was up for a promotion at his job.
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Speaker 1: By all accounts, he lived in his own house by himself.
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Speaker 1: He had an suv. He has a beautiful, adorable dog
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Speaker 1: by the name of Bou Bou Jangles. And friends tell
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Speaker 1: me who I've spoken to that were very close to him,
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Speaker 1: that he was an all around good guy with a big,
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Speaker 1: wide smile on his face, very handsome man. Five eleven
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Speaker 1: two town right now, Robin Willinski and somebody's parents put
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Speaker 1: all pumped a lot of money into that mouth of his,
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Speaker 1: because he has got the most beautiful, the widest it
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Speaker 1: looks like a picket fence smile. I know, I just
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Speaker 1: got the twins brices off. And let me tell you
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Speaker 1: I had to do a keepon book for that. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know how our parents used to pay the mortgage
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Speaker 1: with the Q pop book. Yeah, that's not the kind
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Speaker 1: of thing you just chunked down. One check four. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at this guy, this guy Tim Cunningham, and he's
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Speaker 1: everything Robin Willinsky is describing. He's got he's in his
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Speaker 1: suv and this shot it looks like it could be
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Speaker 1: a selfie maybe, And he's got a big smile, happy,
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Speaker 1: beautiful brown eyes, a loving family. And now I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at all of the missing flyers that have been attached
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Speaker 1: to trees and telephone poles, all in my old neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: I lived right by the c d C for a
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Speaker 1: period of time, Robin Willinsky, when I was prosecuting in
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Speaker 1: inner City Atlanta. Then, um, it was too far away
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Speaker 1: from the courthouse, and I would have to be at
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Speaker 1: the courthouse at the drop of the hat, so I
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Speaker 1: moved even closer. But this is near the c d C.
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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at everything we know. Are you awake?
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Speaker 1: That text is confounding to me. At five one a m.
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Speaker 1: He is a noted epidemiologist, noted and if you don't
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Speaker 1: know about the c d C Center for Disease Control,
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Speaker 1: it's been at the forefront of the flu zeka Um
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Speaker 1: s t D s all types of life threatening ailments
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Speaker 1: and this guy as one of their shining stars. What
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Speaker 1: else do we know Robin Walinski, Well, we know that
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Speaker 1: he was up for a promotion and this this was
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Speaker 1: taking place right before Valentine's Day. I was with the
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Speaker 1: police Major Michael O'Connor with Atlanta p D the other day.
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Speaker 1: He had sort of had an open Q and a
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Speaker 1: question and answer with the media because there's been so
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Speaker 1: much press about this gentleman Timothy Conningham who's missing. And
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Speaker 1: I asked, what was he in a relationship? Uh, they
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Speaker 1: do not believe he was involved in any sort of
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Speaker 1: love triangle or anything like that. Two days, the Thursday
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Speaker 1: and Friday before he was to have this meeting, he
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Speaker 1: calls out sick Thursday, calls out sick Friday. The weekend
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Speaker 1: goes by. He texts his mother the timeline five o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the morning, are you awake? He goes into the
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Speaker 1: office in the seven am hour, he calls his sister.
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Speaker 1: He meets with his superiors at the CDC, finds out
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Speaker 1: he's not getting this promotion. Co workers say that he
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Speaker 1: was upset, as you would be if you're not getting
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Speaker 1: the promotion and then at in the nine o'clock hour,
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Speaker 1: early in the nine am hour, there is a twenty
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Speaker 1: second call the police major told me to the mother,
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Speaker 1: to his mom again that does not go through to
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Speaker 1: her phone. You know how sometimes you dial on the
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Speaker 1: cell phone, you dial out, but the other person doesn't
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Speaker 1: receive eve the call. There's a twenty second call to
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Speaker 1: his mother's cell phone that she never receives and from
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Speaker 1: that point he's gone. Guys, what has become of this
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Speaker 1: Harvard grad? This guy worked on the Ebola and Zeka teams,
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Speaker 1: putting his own life at risk to help other people.
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Speaker 1: Perfectly stable, young, good looking, great job. The last person
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Speaker 1: we know he reached out to is his mother. Right now,
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Speaker 1: his parents begging for his return. Very close with his family.
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Speaker 1: And this is what is very intriguing to Dr William Moroney,
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Speaker 1: medical examiner and author of a brand new book. You
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Speaker 1: can find it on Amazon. Like me, American Narcan you know?
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Speaker 1: Dr Maroney? When we are looking at cause of death,
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Speaker 1: often medical examiners take into account not only what they
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Speaker 1: see on the body, but the surrounding circumstances that they
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Speaker 1: can confirm. I can tell you this much, Dr Moroney.
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Speaker 1: His family reports him missing. Tim Cunningham. Valuables that he
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Speaker 1: cared about are left behind his suv, his wallet, his phone,
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Speaker 1: and his puppy bow. These are situational um environmental facts
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Speaker 1: that don't make sense. They don't add up. He was
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Speaker 1: taken away in haste, and I mean taken away, because
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Speaker 1: you don't leave these things and go there's something wrong here,
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Speaker 1: and if it's related to his state of mind after
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Speaker 1: the not being promoted, whether it's a conspiracy related issue
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Speaker 1: or a professional opportunity, that he discovered something that he
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Speaker 1: can't go public with and he had to leave things
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Speaker 1: because he didn't want to be traced. Those are the
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Speaker 1: two things that are most likely. Either that he was
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Speaker 1: taken away in haste sometimes security forces, um national security agencies,
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Speaker 1: or he needed to drop off the grid. Drop off
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Speaker 1: the grid. Don't you leave a trail, whether you want
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Speaker 1: to or not. With me. Dr William Moroney, medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: an author of American Narcan, Robin Willinsky, reporter, WSB. Also
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Speaker 1: with me, George Escira, forensics expert. I mean, George, I'm looking.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at his home, which is gorgeous. It's a
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Speaker 1: two story yellow uh yellow boarded home with green shutters.
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Speaker 1: The yard is a mac The home looks like it's
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Speaker 1: just been painted and reroofed um. It's a sidewalk in
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Speaker 1: front of it. It's like, you know, a dream an
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Speaker 1: American dream home. Okay, so like a family hunt. There's
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Speaker 1: his suv, his burgundy colored suv parked in his garage,
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Speaker 1: which I might also add as completely immaculate. There's his
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Speaker 1: dog Bow. I mean, everything is in order. His family,
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Speaker 1: his mom and dad have driven down from Maryland. There
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Speaker 1: in his house right now, everything's there, but Timmy two
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Speaker 1: George Skiro forensics expert, what kind of trail could he
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Speaker 1: possibly have left behind? Well, the investigation ground zero is
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Speaker 1: going to be his house, and at his house, they're
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Speaker 1: going to be looking at what type of perhaps electronic
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Speaker 1: footprint he's left through uh, computers, social media. His phone
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Speaker 1: evidently was left behind, and that's where they investigation is
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Speaker 1: going to start. And that's where they're gonna branch out
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Speaker 1: from there and check the surrounding area because obviously we
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Speaker 1: know he left his vehicle behind, he left his keys behind.
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Speaker 1: He couldn't have gone too far unless he had some
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Speaker 1: assistance or was with someone. Uh So I'm assuming that
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Speaker 1: they're examining all of the video, any videos in the area,
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Speaker 1: and he checking any wooded areas, and he parks any
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Speaker 1: bodies of water things like that to see if they
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Speaker 1: can if they can locate this very important doctor. Police
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Speaker 1: are holding onto Jim Cunningham's phone. Guys, this is not
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Speaker 1: the kind of guy that just drops off the map.
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Speaker 1: He graduated from a distinguished college, more House and Harvard University.
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Speaker 1: That's no cake walk. First of all, you can hardly
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Speaker 1: get in number one, and then once you do get
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Speaker 1: in it it's very a very difficult course of study.
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Speaker 1: This guy is, as I said, an alumni more House
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Speaker 1: in Harvard. But also we're is a commander for the U.
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Speaker 1: S Public Health Service. Right now, we know that he
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Speaker 1: has been working on highly sensitive cases and he had
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Speaker 1: worked on Zeka, he had worked on Ebola, putting his
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Speaker 1: life before others. What is he working on right now?
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Speaker 1: I find it very very perplexing that he left behind
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Speaker 1: his cell phone. Let's go right now to a police
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Speaker 1: press conference. So. Dr Cunningham is an epidemiologist and the
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Speaker 1: Chronic Disease Unit at the cdc UM. He last reported
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Speaker 1: to work on Monday, February twelve. While on his way
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Speaker 1: to work. At about approximately zero seven fifteen, he would call.
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Speaker 1: He calls his sister UM and speaks to her briefly.
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Speaker 1: He arrives at work, and when he arrives at work,
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Speaker 1: he meets with his supervisor and the purpose of that
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Speaker 1: meeting was to explain a promotion that that he did
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Speaker 1: not receive eve to branch manager. He had been informed
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Speaker 1: and formed the previous Monday that he was not getting
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Speaker 1: the promotion, but the explanation occurred on the morning of
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Speaker 1: the twelfth, shortly after the meeting, explaining that he tells
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Speaker 1: the supervisor that he's not feeling particularly well, he had
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Speaker 1: actually called in sick the two previous work days and
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Speaker 1: decides to go home. While going home, the last known
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Speaker 1: phone call that he makes occurs at zero nine twelve
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Speaker 1: hours and he calls his mother while traveling home from
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Speaker 1: the c d C. We believe the call is missed.
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Speaker 1: She does not receive a call, and he does not.
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Speaker 1: He does not leave a voicemail. We presume, and I'll
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Speaker 1: explain why. We presume that he drives home from the
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Speaker 1: c d C and his cars parked in in the
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Speaker 1: garage at his residence. UM. That's the last time anybody
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Speaker 1: sees or hears from him, is that that it was
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Speaker 1: basically at that point, his family tries, over a period
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Speaker 1: of time to call him. They don't receive any answer.
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Speaker 1: They then call a relative of the mothers who has
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Speaker 1: a key to the home, who goes by to check
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Speaker 1: on the house. He comes over, he finds the houses
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Speaker 1: been secured, but there are two upstairs bedroom or windows
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Speaker 1: that are open, one to a bathroom and one to
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Speaker 1: a laundry a laundry room. Um. But they were on
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Speaker 1: the upper level and it appeared as if everything else
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Speaker 1: was in order, and the and the windows may have
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Speaker 1: been left open because he had a dog that was
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Speaker 1: inside of the residence. Um. The relative reports that to
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Speaker 1: the parents. They abviolually become somewhat concerned because now they
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Speaker 1: haven't heard from him, and they decided to make the
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Speaker 1: drive at some point Tuesday afternoon or evening down from Maryland.
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Speaker 1: They arrive approximately at zero seven thirty hours in the
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Speaker 1: morning of the fourteenth, which is the Wednesday, and by
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Speaker 1: zero nine thirty they have dialed nine one one to
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Speaker 1: report Dr Cunningham missing. UM. The most unusual factor in
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Speaker 1: this case is that every single belonging that we are
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Speaker 1: aware of was located in the residence. So his keys,
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Speaker 1: his cell phone, credit cards, depit cards, wallet, all his
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Speaker 1: identification passports, anything you could and of we've been able
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Speaker 1: to locate. None of those items are missing. So what
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Speaker 1: have we done from that point forward. Well, obviously we
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Speaker 1: created immediate blow and we released that information to you
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Speaker 1: that he was a missing person. We've processed his home,
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Speaker 1: We've canvassed the neighborhood. We've searched the immediate wooded area
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Speaker 1: around his house with a dog. We've checked local hospitals
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Speaker 1: and jails. We so searched the cemetery Crest Lawn, which
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Speaker 1: is nearby his home. We've gotten with the CDC and
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Speaker 1: we've gone through and made sure that his government credit
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Speaker 1: cards aren't being used. We've looked at the browser history
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Speaker 1: on his desktop computer at work to make sure there's
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Speaker 1: nothing suspicious on it. We've checked his swipe card activity.
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Speaker 1: We know the last time he clocked in or out
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Speaker 1: at the c d C. We've gone through his government
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Speaker 1: phone records to ensure that that phone is not in use,
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Speaker 1: and we've been provided some access to his email so
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Speaker 1: we know that nothing suspicious went back and forth on it.
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Speaker 1: We asked specifically whether the CDC felt that anything related
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Speaker 1: to his job would have contributed to this and they
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Speaker 1: did not believe so that they did notice. They did
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Speaker 1: note that he had been up for this promotion which
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Speaker 1: he did not receive, and obviously any to I think
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Speaker 1: any of us would agree that if you didn't receive
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Speaker 1: a promotion you thought you might get your somewhat disappointed.
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Speaker 1: But beyond that, we don't have any information that his
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Speaker 1: employment would lead to is being missing. Before I take
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Speaker 1: you back to the investigation into the disappearance of a
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Speaker 1: on a promotion and learned why the morning he disappeared.
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Speaker 1: On his way home, they say, he calls his mother
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Speaker 1: in Maryland, but the call goes to voicemail. His family
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Speaker 1: is offering a ten dollar reward. This is not normal.
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Speaker 1: This is definitely out of the ordinary. It's not the
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Speaker 1: type of news you want to hear that your child
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Speaker 1: is missing. Straight back to the disappearance of Timothy Cunningham.
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Speaker 1: His parents distraught. They have driven from Maryland uh through
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Speaker 1: the night to get to his home and everything's there,
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Speaker 1: his dog, everything is perfectly in place in the home,
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Speaker 1: his wallet, his suv is parked in the garage, his
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Speaker 1: cell phone is there, everything is in place, but he
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Speaker 1: is gone. George Sciro, forensics expert, what's the first thing
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Speaker 1: police were doing in that home? The first thing that
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Speaker 1: they're doing is they're checking any of his electronic footprint,
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Speaker 1: his computer, checking his cell phone, probably downloading all the
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Speaker 1: data from that, and then hopefully they're fanning out from
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Speaker 1: there and checking any video that maybe of the street area,
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Speaker 1: public transit videos, and any any things along lines of
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Speaker 1: bus stations and things like that. UM, that's how I
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Speaker 1: assume they're they're proceeding with the investigation. And to Dr
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Speaker 1: William Moroney, medical examiner, author of American narcan on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: Dr Moroney, they say that they have done an extensive
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Speaker 1: search in the densely wooded area around and behind his home.
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Speaker 1: What could they possibly find there? What they'd be looking
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Speaker 1: for is a secondary crime scene. The primary crime scene
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Speaker 1: is where he disappeared. A secondary crime scene would be
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Speaker 1: a sign of struggle, a sign of um blood or
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Speaker 1: damaged full liliage to show there may have been vehicles
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Speaker 1: near the house that took non traditional access. He left.
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Speaker 1: He left somewhere and his vehicles in his house, So
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Speaker 1: somebody either took him out the front door or out
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Speaker 1: the back door, and that's what they need to look for.
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Speaker 1: And then you connect signs of a struggle, blood, clothing
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Speaker 1: and footprints. Now, Tim Cunningham was last seen in his uniform. Um,
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Speaker 1: he's highly decorated. I'm looking at him right now in
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Speaker 1: his uniform, and police are saying he may have changed
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Speaker 1: into civilian clothing. But it seems to me that's an
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Speaker 1: obvious thing they should look for. George Skiro. If his
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Speaker 1: uniform isn't there, then he's in his uniform. If he's
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Speaker 1: not in his uniform, he's in civilian clothing. And I
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Speaker 1: want to know why he was last seen in his uniform.
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Speaker 1: That could tell me a lot. If he went to
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Speaker 1: his home after work, where what was he planning to do? Why?
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Speaker 1: Why would he change out of his uniform? And by uniform,
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Speaker 1: I don't mean like a work uniform like you know
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Speaker 1: you were at McDonald's, I mean his military uniform. Why
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Speaker 1: why did he change? What was the reason that could
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Speaker 1: give me a lot of clues? George Skiro, that's correct, Um,
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Speaker 1: if he did change into civilian clothes, It may mean
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Speaker 1: that he has, uh, he wants to drop off the grid,
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Speaker 1: that he is, you know, trying to disappear um. Or
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Speaker 1: it may mean that he just wanted to be essentially
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Speaker 1: not being able to be recognized as easily out on
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Speaker 1: the street, or something else. Let me go to Robin
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Speaker 1: Wolinski with w s B. There's a ten thousand dollar reward.
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Speaker 1: The tip line is four zero four four or five
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Speaker 1: six four two three five repeat four oh four four
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Speaker 1: or five six four two three five. Robin Wilinsky with WSB,
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Speaker 1: he worked on highly insitive matters. Did he not? He did?
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Speaker 1: But it was very interesting that at the news conference
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Speaker 1: they said that the CDC and his work there was
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Speaker 1: not related to his disappearance. How they can rule that out,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. But I have to tell you, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The thing that's missing for me and all this is
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Speaker 1: where is this? And I asked us at the news conference,
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Speaker 1: where is the surveillance video at CDC. The entire compound
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Speaker 1: is on camera. Is he getting into his car alone
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Speaker 1: or is there someone else with him? I'm told there's
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Speaker 1: no cameras, no surveillance at his house, but there is
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Speaker 1: definitely surveillance if he left in his car alone. There's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a picture of it with the license plate
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Speaker 1: and the suv And is there a second passenger in
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Speaker 1: the seat in the back and the front. They have
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Speaker 1: yet to be able to tell me if he was
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Speaker 1: alone leaving the CDC. And where is that video? You know,
22:53
Speaker 1: Robert Willinsky. The c d C is off the road.
22:58
Speaker 1: It's a huge facility or Emmy University in Atlanta. But
23:03
Speaker 1: there has actually been quite a bit of crime surrounding
23:06
Speaker 1: that area, and it's on a bus route. What scares
23:10
Speaker 1: me about that is it makes it harder to identify
23:15
Speaker 1: who may be involved because people are coming and going
23:18
Speaker 1: that are not connected to the area in any way,
23:21
Speaker 1: like people that don't work at the c d C,
23:24
Speaker 1: or that don't live in the area, or don't work
23:27
Speaker 1: in the restaurants and the businesses that are all around
23:30
Speaker 1: the c d C that support it. So we've you've
23:34
Speaker 1: got an influx of unrelated people that as like looking
23:37
Speaker 1: for a needle in a haystack. So that makes the
23:40
Speaker 1: surveillance video all the more important as well as these
23:44
Speaker 1: surveillance video along that street where there are numerous restaurants, uh,
23:51
Speaker 1: dry cleaners, banks, you name it. That support the huge
23:55
Speaker 1: amount of people that work at the c d C. Also,
23:58
Speaker 1: not number one to you been sky, but number two.
24:01
Speaker 1: I don't know how the Hey, they can jump up
24:03
Speaker 1: and say, oh, we know this is not related to
24:05
Speaker 1: his research. They don't know that. They don't know that.
24:11
Speaker 1: And I felt that there were a lot of there's
24:13
Speaker 1: a lot of outstanding questions. There's also a report, Nancy,
24:16
Speaker 1: I want to leave you with this that there is
24:18
Speaker 1: a neighbor that claims that a male a female like
24:22
Speaker 1: a couple. And the gentleman says that on Saturday before
24:28
Speaker 1: the Monday that he goes missing. That the neighbor says, oh,
24:32
Speaker 1: by the way, uh, this guy came to him and said, hey,
24:35
Speaker 1: can you delete my phone number from your wife's cell phone? Now?
24:40
Speaker 1: Why would you tell somebody to take my number out
24:43
Speaker 1: of your directory, out of your contact lists in your phone?
24:46
Speaker 1: That to me is a very suspicious nugget. Okay, that's
24:51
Speaker 1: just odd. I don't mean weird, I mean odd in
24:56
Speaker 1: a sense obscure. I don't believe I've ever in my life. Hey,
25:01
Speaker 1: you had the time to go back to all contacts
25:03
Speaker 1: and ask him to delete me from there. This is
25:08
Speaker 1: a neighbor with him. They seemingly haven't had problems with him,
25:13
Speaker 1: no neighborhood feed or anything like that. Why in the
25:16
Speaker 1: world would he do that? Robin Wilinski, I think the
25:21
Speaker 1: only thing that makes sense is is are you Are
25:25
Speaker 1: you going off the grid, are you disappearing? Are you
25:27
Speaker 1: in trouble? Do you feel that someone's gonna kidnap you?
25:31
Speaker 1: Do you have secrets about the flu or the Bola
25:34
Speaker 1: virus or any of these other viruses. I mean, you know,
25:37
Speaker 1: you hate to go all conspiracy theory, but what was
25:39
Speaker 1: he thinking in his head? And then the other thing is,
25:42
Speaker 1: you know, when you go to the most obvious, here's
25:44
Speaker 1: someone who's a Harvard graduate at you know, my mother
25:47
Speaker 1: has this expression, you know, if you don't bend your break.
25:50
Speaker 1: Maybe he was just so distraught about the not getting
25:55
Speaker 1: the promotion that he just took off and wanted to
25:57
Speaker 1: be buying him. Wait wait, wait, wait a minute. I'm
26:02
Speaker 1: sure there is not one person on this panel right
26:06
Speaker 1: now or somebody even listening that hasn't gotten the boot.
26:11
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I got fired. Let me
26:13
Speaker 1: just start with that. It was in law school and
26:16
Speaker 1: I was working at a sandwich shop, Zed's Sandwich shop,
26:21
Speaker 1: and I had the most horrible hours, and I was
26:23
Speaker 1: violating every rule of safety. First, I would sit at
26:29
Speaker 1: zed sandwich shop until ten or eleven o'clock at night,
26:32
Speaker 1: working alone in its trips center where everything else had closed, okay,
26:38
Speaker 1: and studying for law school. And I would get so
26:43
Speaker 1: absent minded during exams. I remember one dentist came through
26:47
Speaker 1: every day and wanted the number four. I think it
26:50
Speaker 1: was turkey, this and that, and two days in a row,
26:53
Speaker 1: I gave him nothing but cheese because I was just
26:57
Speaker 1: so thinking about my exams. Finally, I said, look, I've
27:00
Speaker 1: got to study for these exams. As much as I
27:02
Speaker 1: love my career here at the sandwich shop, mopping and
27:05
Speaker 1: cleaning the bathrooms at night and yes, washing my hands
27:08
Speaker 1: before I made sandwiches, Um, I'm gonna have to study
27:13
Speaker 1: for at least the next week to get through exams.
27:16
Speaker 1: And they fired me so obviously I was not a
27:20
Speaker 1: valued member of the sandwich making team. Okay, that was
27:24
Speaker 1: the first time I've been fired. So you know, Dgr
27:28
Speaker 1: William Moroney, George skiro let me go to Maroney first.
27:31
Speaker 1: Dgr Moroney, You've seen a lot of dead bodies, as
27:34
Speaker 1: have I. I mean, if somebody committed suicide every time
27:39
Speaker 1: they got fired, for Pete, say, would all be dead? Moroney,
27:42
Speaker 1: you're so awesome. Have you ever been fired ever? At
27:48
Speaker 1: least every five to seven years on a regular It's human,
27:54
Speaker 1: you know. And if I wasn't fired, I was told
27:57
Speaker 1: that I wasn't going to go anywhere and I should
27:59
Speaker 1: look for some other kind of job. Um, you know,
28:03
Speaker 1: And I think you're talents to be better suited not here,
28:07
Speaker 1: something like that. Okay, So it's not just me. I
28:11
Speaker 1: had a dean of a medical school tell me that
28:14
Speaker 1: he didn't want addiction patients in the lobby of the clinic.
28:17
Speaker 1: And I said, they're here, you just don't know who
28:20
Speaker 1: they are. And he said, you're never going to be
28:22
Speaker 1: assistant dean, Dr Brooni. You know, I thank god you're not.
28:26
Speaker 1: Thank you Lord. So I've gotta put I've got to
28:31
Speaker 1: put that in my next book. You're never going to
28:33
Speaker 1: be assistant Dan. Okay. Yeah. So he obviously began to
28:39
Speaker 1: position and stage things he knew something was up, and
28:44
Speaker 1: the fact that he left so many things behind that
28:47
Speaker 1: could be tracked on GPS that just leads you to
28:50
Speaker 1: say he's either knowing something's coming and he's gonna do
28:53
Speaker 1: something or he's worried for his own safety. And at
28:57
Speaker 1: one point I reported fraud to the attorney general in
29:02
Speaker 1: my state about a federally qualified health center, and I said,
29:06
Speaker 1: do I become a whistle blower because they tell you
29:09
Speaker 1: stand up for your taxpayers, do what you need to do.
29:12
Speaker 1: And I had somebody come to me from the Attorney
29:15
Speaker 1: General's office from the state and say, if you become
29:18
Speaker 1: a whistle blower on this clinic, they're gonna take your
29:22
Speaker 1: head off, duck turn walk away and forget everything you
29:28
Speaker 1: saw and do something else. Moved to another city. Whistle
29:33
Speaker 1: you believe the whistle anyway, and got fired. Yeah, okay,
29:38
Speaker 1: all right, let me just want Let me win up here,
29:40
Speaker 1: or try to anyway. So when I was still a prosecutor,
29:44
Speaker 1: I guess i'd been putting away the bad guys for
29:47
Speaker 1: I don't know how many years, and a judge ship
29:49
Speaker 1: cape open and my now husband said, you know, you
29:52
Speaker 1: should really try to get on the bench. And I'm like, okay,
29:55
Speaker 1: I'll try. So you had to submit all this information
30:00
Speaker 1: and go for um an interview, and I'll never forget
30:04
Speaker 1: there is a you know about this Robin Lensky. There
30:08
Speaker 1: is a lawyer's newspaper, you know, like business. There's like
30:13
Speaker 1: you know, business chronicles. There's a little I legal newspaper.
30:17
Speaker 1: And the defense bar got together and wrote a scathing
30:22
Speaker 1: for front page article about why I should not be
30:25
Speaker 1: a judge ever, and had the most unflattering picture ever
30:29
Speaker 1: of me screaming at a defendant in court like I
30:32
Speaker 1: was about to attack him. That was the picture. It
30:35
Speaker 1: was horrible, and I, needless to say, I did not
30:40
Speaker 1: make judge. But I remember about a year later my
30:45
Speaker 1: now husband said, I was in the courthouse today for
30:49
Speaker 1: jury duty, and I saw it was a woman I
30:52
Speaker 1: had prosecuted with that made judge several years before, and
30:56
Speaker 1: she was asleep on the bench. She had dozed off,
31:00
Speaker 1: and she was an incredible prosecutor and one of the
31:04
Speaker 1: brightest people I know. Frankly, and he said, aren't you
31:07
Speaker 1: glad you didn't You didn't make it. You'd be asleep
31:11
Speaker 1: up there right now too. And I thought about it,
31:14
Speaker 1: and sometime firing or getting the boot is not necessarily
31:19
Speaker 1: a bad thing. So in this case, I don't know,
31:23
Speaker 1: just because he got passed over by a promotion that
31:26
Speaker 1: is necessarily a bad thing to George Skira, forensics expert.
31:31
Speaker 1: Don't you think that there would be some indication of
31:35
Speaker 1: a suicide if that had happened. Um, it's very possible,
31:40
Speaker 1: and it's and we don't know if you know, if
31:44
Speaker 1: that was part of if he voluntarily left, if that's
31:47
Speaker 1: something that was on his mind, because evidently he had
31:51
Speaker 1: some professional and personal issues that brought up, um and
31:55
Speaker 1: again being passed over for his promotion, and we can't
31:59
Speaker 1: exclude that pop stability. Yeah, right now, we don't know
32:02
Speaker 1: enough to really exclude anything. Robert Wellinski have been working
32:05
Speaker 1: on some highly sensitive issues like ZEKA, like Ebo LA
32:11
Speaker 1: that have really worldwide implications, but particularly for our country
32:17
Speaker 1: as well as immigration issues. Yeah, because he was the
32:24
Speaker 1: person who was studying how these diseases affect different uh populations,
32:31
Speaker 1: So you're studying how the flu affects a black man,
32:35
Speaker 1: how it affects white women, how it affects children. So
32:39
Speaker 1: how that they can say that he wasn't working on
32:41
Speaker 1: sensitive material. To me, that makes no sense at all,
32:44
Speaker 1: because he was working on all of these things in
32:47
Speaker 1: my mind that are sensitive. Did he have access to
32:50
Speaker 1: any kind of government secrets? Uh? Is there something that
32:54
Speaker 1: he knew that that's true, that's not out there in
32:57
Speaker 1: the public. Can I just storia? I get And I'm
33:00
Speaker 1: not a conspiracy person, Robin, as you know, because I
33:03
Speaker 1: think typically people can't keep their pie holes shut, so
33:07
Speaker 1: you can't really have a conspiracy or they'll blab about it.
33:11
Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind. And I'm a diet
33:14
Speaker 1: in the whole anti conspiracy theorist, There's no doubt in
33:18
Speaker 1: my mind that there is a trove of an avalanche
33:24
Speaker 1: of highly sensitive information regarding Zekea and Ebola that have
33:29
Speaker 1: been kept from US. I guarantee you that when you
33:32
Speaker 1: see people in moon suits at the immigration offices, you
33:37
Speaker 1: know there's something bad wrong right there. Okay, now I
33:41
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. It's what I said. It's
33:45
Speaker 1: a great point. I'd also like to know why was
33:47
Speaker 1: he passed over for the promotion? And I've asked that
33:51
Speaker 1: question over and over and over again. Why was this
33:54
Speaker 1: gentleman Harvard grad, brilliant doctor by by what everybody says,
33:59
Speaker 1: really at splint, at his job, at his work, why
34:02
Speaker 1: was he passed over for the promotion? Nobody can tell me. Well,
34:06
Speaker 1: according to the parents, his father, uh Mr Cunningham says, quote,
34:13
Speaker 1: there were some exchanges via phone and text that alerted
34:17
Speaker 1: me to be concerned about our son, but he did
34:22
Speaker 1: not specify what they were. The sudden disappearance of Tim
34:27
Speaker 1: Cunningham Doctor Cunningham is surreal and heartbreaking for his family,
34:33
Speaker 1: including his parents, his brother, convinced that Tim would not
34:40
Speaker 1: just walk away from an awesome job, a beautiful home,
34:45
Speaker 1: a dog, a community, a family. This thirty five year
34:49
Speaker 1: old Moorhouse and Harvard grad is an epidemiologist at the
34:53
Speaker 1: c d C, highly decorated and dealing with highly sensitive matters.
35:02
Speaker 1: There is a go fund Me page for a reward.
35:06
Speaker 1: It's up to twenty three thousand dollars a reward to
35:10
Speaker 1: locate Dr Tim Cunningham. And if you look online and
35:16
Speaker 1: you see his beautiful brown eyes and that beautiful smile
35:20
Speaker 1: of his, the tip line please contact four zero four
35:24
Speaker 1: five four six four two three f Tim Cunningham. Where
35:31
Speaker 1: are you? Man with beautiful sky blue eyes and a
35:36
Speaker 1: gorgeous smile? Hather a Lotlier one of the biggest stars
35:41
Speaker 1: all the way through the eighties and nineties and still
35:46
Speaker 1: just as gorgeous. What happened? How in the world is
35:52
Speaker 1: she booked for attacking police officers and nearly biting the
35:57
Speaker 1: nose off her boyfriend. You heard me right, biting the
36:01
Speaker 1: nose off her boyfriend. Right, Okay, I need Alexis dress
36:07
Speaker 1: chuck rightar online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis, please tell
36:11
Speaker 1: me I'm wrong. I would love to do that, but
36:13
Speaker 1: I cannot. Heather Lockleyer was got any fight in her
36:18
Speaker 1: home on Sunday night with her boyfriend Chris Heiser. They
36:21
Speaker 1: have been dating about a year. She has been really
36:26
Speaker 1: and I want to say the Heather off there also
36:27
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite actresses. I love her. I
36:29
Speaker 1: love Melrose Place actually worked in the building where they filmed, well,
36:33
Speaker 1: where they pretended they filmed Nero's Place, D and D advertising.
36:36
Speaker 1: I love her, but she has just as someone told
36:40
Speaker 1: us the other day, she has been struggling with inner
36:42
Speaker 1: demons lately. So she gets any huge working out your
36:46
Speaker 1: enter demons. But do you have to buy somebody's nose
36:48
Speaker 1: off to do it? Apparently? Yes, Yes, apparently you do
36:53
Speaker 1: have to buy somebody's nose off. Okay, Alexis, I'm not
36:56
Speaker 1: buying that. And let me just say the tip of
36:58
Speaker 1: his nose was still attack to his body, so it's
37:00
Speaker 1: not technically bitten off completely. Just let's just start at
37:07
Speaker 1: the beginning. Go ahead. So Sunday evening, Heather Locklear was
37:12
Speaker 1: at her home. Her home by the way, her beautiful
37:15
Speaker 1: mansion that she lives in and she gets is Thousand Oaks,
37:21
Speaker 1: um Alan do. Where is Thousand Oaks in California? That's
37:24
Speaker 1: where she lives. It's up the one oh one past
37:28
Speaker 1: Calabasas where the Kardashians live, probably another ten miles from there,
37:32
Speaker 1: so it's pretty far out. Okay, go ahead, Sorry, that
37:35
Speaker 1: was just a curious question. Go ahead. And it's a
37:38
Speaker 1: very wealthy suburb of Los Angeles. Um. She and her
37:43
Speaker 1: boyfriend get in a fight, a huge fight, and they
37:46
Speaker 1: startled on hold on, sorry, Alexis, we just got the
37:49
Speaker 1: nine one one call. Take a listen. I did disturbance.
37:57
Speaker 1: Just rives her VOICEOD. Okay, alex it's go ahead, sorry
38:02
Speaker 1: thought okay, So have they and her boyfriend getting to fight?
38:04
Speaker 1: It is actually, as you just heard on the call,
38:06
Speaker 1: it's her brother that calls the police because he is
38:09
Speaker 1: so worried that these two are fighting so much and
38:12
Speaker 1: she is attacking him. She she's really what they're saying
38:15
Speaker 1: is she was out of control, angry, and they assumed
38:21
Speaker 1: that she was actually going to do serious physical harm
38:23
Speaker 1: in him. But she she's about five ft and probably
38:25
Speaker 1: weighs a hundred pounds, soaking wet, so it seems a
38:29
Speaker 1: bit extreme. Well that's not that's just the tip of
38:32
Speaker 1: the iceberg. Because apparently, and when cops arrived at her home,
38:37
Speaker 1: they see a mark on the boyfriend's body and decided
38:41
Speaker 1: to take her head their law clear, into custody for
38:44
Speaker 1: domestic violence. But as they were trying to handcuff her,
38:48
Speaker 1: the mail Rose play star allegedly kicks and strikes the
38:54
Speaker 1: three officers, calling one of the female officers, well, as
39:00
Speaker 1: see you blank tea, that's bad, okay number one, alexis
39:07
Speaker 1: just the whole binding the nose off the boyfriend. But
39:09
Speaker 1: then when you attack police, you're begging to get arrested
39:13
Speaker 1: and call a lady cop that, Yeah, you're gonna get booked.
39:18
Speaker 1: You're about to have a brand new mug shot. You're
39:20
Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean, she got completely out of control
39:23
Speaker 1: with the cops. They were physically trying to drag her
39:26
Speaker 1: out of her house, and she was fighting them every
39:28
Speaker 1: step of the way because they saw her boyfriend, so
39:32
Speaker 1: they were going to take her into custody, and she did.
39:34
Speaker 1: She she lunges at the cops. She screams the Sea
39:37
Speaker 1: word at them, and they arrest her. Then they take
39:42
Speaker 1: Heather down to jail. The boyfriend leaves Heather's house, drives away,
39:48
Speaker 1: gets pulled over by the police. He gets a d
39:51
Speaker 1: u I. So he was not in any better condition
39:53
Speaker 1: than Heather was. She's had a tough time, had a
39:57
Speaker 1: lot clear Mary twice, first to the Motley Crew drummer
40:01
Speaker 1: Tommy Lee and then to bon Jovi guitarist Richie Sambora.
40:06
Speaker 1: She had a daughter, Eva, is that correct? And she
40:11
Speaker 1: had two very tough marriages. They break up. Then she
40:16
Speaker 1: has one relationship with a Melrose Place star, Jack Wagner.
40:21
Speaker 1: They were together for a while, that broke up. And
40:25
Speaker 1: now this this guy was her high school sweetheart. From
40:27
Speaker 1: what I understand now, it's alleged that there have been
40:31
Speaker 1: many d uise and problems with prescription drugs. Is that
40:35
Speaker 1: the genesis of all this alexis That is what her
40:38
Speaker 1: family members are saying, Yes, that she has been dealing
40:42
Speaker 1: with a substance abuse issue, that they're been prescription drugs
40:45
Speaker 1: and alcohol and that this is what is contributing to
40:48
Speaker 1: her insane behad straight out to Joe Scott Morgan, forensics
40:52
Speaker 1: expert Professor Forensics at Jacksonvia State University. Jo Scott, I
40:56
Speaker 1: mean between alcohol and prescription drugs. Wow, she she's in trouble.
41:02
Speaker 1: But that is not going to be a defense at law.
41:05
Speaker 1: But how could it be used and how can it
41:06
Speaker 1: be determined that that was the root of the problem
41:10
Speaker 1: in the middle of all this brawl in her home. Yeah,
41:13
Speaker 1: that she's she's so uh, you know, disconnected from reality
41:18
Speaker 1: as a result of this chemical storm she's got going
41:21
Speaker 1: on in her body. But hey, you know what chemical
41:24
Speaker 1: storm has been going on for a long time. Based
41:26
Speaker 1: upon a lot of these reports, she's got multiple d
41:29
Speaker 1: u I s. You know, who knows what else she's taking.
41:32
Speaker 1: I do know that she did assault a police officer.
41:35
Speaker 1: It's one. It's one thing. You know, you can engage
41:37
Speaker 1: in this behavior in your house. Uh, you know, who
41:40
Speaker 1: knows what was going on. Boyfriend's drunk, she's drunk, police
41:43
Speaker 1: show up, you get abusive with them. And one thing
41:46
Speaker 1: that wasn't mentioned, Yeah, she screamed, uh you know, uh,
41:50
Speaker 1: you know, she the C word at this female cop.
41:54
Speaker 1: She also scored a groin shot with her foot to
41:57
Speaker 1: one of the police male police officers that was there
41:59
Speaker 1: as well. So this is not gonna This is not
42:02
Speaker 1: gonna go well for her, particularly if they appear before
42:04
Speaker 1: judge that you know doesn't take kindly to people assaulting
42:08
Speaker 1: the police. Plus she's been downage Road multiple times. I
42:11
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm not an attorney, obviously, but I
42:14
Speaker 1: just gotta tell you, based upon my backgrounding investigations, this,
42:18
Speaker 1: this generally does not go well into court when you
42:21
Speaker 1: have a person that appears multiple times. Here's the thing,
42:23
Speaker 1: Troice Layton, l a defense attorney. As far as beating
42:29
Speaker 1: up the boyfriend, I guarantee you he'll probably drop charges.
42:34
Speaker 1: Watch it unfold just like that. Do I think it's right? No,
42:40
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's right. But well it happened,
42:44
Speaker 1: most likely, yes, and there won't be a darned thing
42:47
Speaker 1: the prosecutor can do about it. But attacking police officers,
42:51
Speaker 1: Troice Layton, I don't care how drunk you are or
42:54
Speaker 1: what prescription drug you have abused. That's a big in
43:00
Speaker 1: Cops show up to calm things down. Yes, I know
43:05
Speaker 1: there are a few bad cops out there. I know that,
43:07
Speaker 1: and they make everybody else and the justice system look
43:10
Speaker 1: bad and I hate them. But when cops show up
43:16
Speaker 1: at home, they are not signing up to getting kicked
43:20
Speaker 1: in the groin, attacked with misogynist slurs by another woman,
43:25
Speaker 1: cursed out, spit on, bitten, the works. Uh No, those
43:31
Speaker 1: charges must not be dropped. And I gotta tell you,
43:34
Speaker 1: I've always sided with her. They're a lot layer because
43:36
Speaker 1: I felt that she was fighting an alcohol problem and
43:40
Speaker 1: she had had a tough time of it. But that
43:43
Speaker 1: is no excuse for attacking cops. I mean, this has
43:46
Speaker 1: got to stop with her Nancy. From my perspective, there's
43:49
Speaker 1: a lot of things to unpack here. First of all,
43:51
Speaker 1: since the O. J. Simpson case, when police respond to
43:56
Speaker 1: a domestic violence incident, someone's going to jail. One of
44:00
Speaker 1: the parties is going to jail if there is any
44:03
Speaker 1: kind of evidence of anything. And what tiny red mark
44:06
Speaker 1: and someone's going to jail. So I don't really have
44:09
Speaker 1: a problem with that. Was somebody going to jail if
44:13
Speaker 1: the victim, well, you say they're just coming to calm
44:16
Speaker 1: things down. You say they're just coming to calm things down.
44:19
Speaker 1: But no, they're coming to bring someone to jail. And
44:21
Speaker 1: it was neither the victim nor the aggressor that called
44:24
Speaker 1: the police. It was Heather Locklear's brother. Oh yeah, you
44:28
Speaker 1: know what, You're right, because her boyfriend was too busy
44:31
Speaker 1: trying to hold his nose on his face. Remember it
44:34
Speaker 1: was nearly bitten off. And you say he's going to
44:38
Speaker 1: drop the charges, Well, it's not up to him. Now.
44:41
Speaker 1: Once the police get involved, it's up to the prosecutor
44:44
Speaker 1: to decide whether or not they want to contest. You
44:47
Speaker 1: whether or not he's a willing witness. He there's no
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Speaker 1: boyfriend girlfriend privilege that would prevent him from being forced
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Speaker 1: testify against her. Well, you're right about that is up
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Speaker 1: to the prosecutor. He does not have the power to
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Speaker 1: drop charges. He does have the power to get on
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Speaker 1: the stand and we can't that's what he can certainly
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Speaker 1: do that which practically speaking guts the state's prosecution, but
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Speaker 1: not so with the police. And also police can testify
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Speaker 1: to what they saw that night. Yes, and Nancy, if
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Speaker 1: I was her attorney, I would certainly be looking to
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Speaker 1: work out a disposition that involved drug and alcohol treatment,
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Speaker 1: even residential rehabilitation in lieu of jail, and if she's
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Speaker 1: already had that, you know, she's already had treatment, and
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Speaker 1: she's already been to maybe four to five rehabs. And
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Speaker 1: when you kick a cop and call a lady cop
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Speaker 1: a misogynistic, that's not a prime. It's either time for
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Speaker 1: you to go to jail or start picking up trash
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Speaker 1: on the side of the road. It's not a crime
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Speaker 1: to call a cop the C word, however a born
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Speaker 1: it might be. If not a crime, I say it
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Speaker 1: was a crime. I said she needs to go to
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Speaker 1: jail or pick up trash. That's what I said. And
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Speaker 1: there's not a question in my mind that she did
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Speaker 1: say it, And there's not a question in my mind
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Speaker 1: that she attacked the police officers physically in California. If
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Speaker 1: we can get a judge to order her, as a
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Speaker 1: condition of her oh R, her own recognizance release, or
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Speaker 1: as a condition of bail, to do some residential rehab,
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Speaker 1: then that means we get day for day credits towards
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Speaker 1: any eventual sentence. So that may be something strategically that
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Speaker 1: we want to get going right at the beginning of
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Speaker 1: the kid But you know what, how many times Alexis
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Speaker 1: torres check, how many times can the court with a
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Speaker 1: straight face order Betty Ford Center. You know, community service,
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Speaker 1: but I mean how many times before is just a
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Speaker 1: big joke. Well, it is California, it is Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: She has a celebrity, they can order it pretty much.
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Speaker 1: Four and fifty times celebrities get major special treatment in
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. All the cases I've covered, as long as
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Speaker 1: I've been covering, Heather Locklier for the last ten years,
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Speaker 1: has been in trouble. Never has she spent really more
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Speaker 1: than five seconds arrested this past weekend, It's endless. She
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Speaker 1: can get. Look at Lindsay Lohan, which you covered with me.
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Speaker 1: You were the one leading the charges against Lindsay for
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Speaker 1: all those years, multiple rehab assignments, multiple and and well
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Speaker 1: you know, Alexis. I don't want to bring down a
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Speaker 1: star or an icon. I don't care about. What I
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Speaker 1: care about is people being treated equally under the law. Okay.
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Speaker 1: If this had been a lower income, uneducated female that
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Speaker 1: the cops arrived and got kicked and cursed out that way,
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Speaker 1: she would have been thrown down on the asphalt handcuff
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Speaker 1: and dragged the jail. She's still be sitting there right now. Correct, Okay,
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Speaker 1: because it's a Hollywood star, it's all different and with
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Speaker 1: that I disagree. Nancy Gray Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend.
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