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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell's Legal Team And Their Closing Argument (9/6/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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Speaker 1: Hope that everybody had a great weekend out there and
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Speaker 1: hopefully your holiday week is off to an exceptional start. Now,
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Speaker 1: over the weekend they had a charging conference for Ghislaine
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Speaker 1: Maxwell on Saturday. And at this conference, what they did
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Speaker 1: is they went over all of the different, you know,
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Speaker 1: methods for charging, the different language in the charges and
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Speaker 1: all of that legalese type stuff. Basically, the prosecution and
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Speaker 1: the defense got together and they went through all of the,
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Speaker 1: you know, odds and ends of the case and figured
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Speaker 1: out what was going to be admissible, what wasn't going
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Speaker 1: to be admissible, and basically getting prepared for closing arguments,
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Speaker 1: which are today. Now, the closing arguments should take about
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Speaker 1: five hours today. And then, obviously, after the closing arguments,
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Speaker 1: everything's given to the jury for deliberation. Now, we know
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Speaker 1: that there's a holiday coming up. We got Christmas coming up.
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Speaker 1: And we know that these jurors are going to get
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Speaker 1: this information right before that holiday. So I'm interested to
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Speaker 1: see how long it takes for them to deliberate here
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Speaker 1: and to see how, you know, the time frame that
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Speaker 1: they come back and deliver a verdict. Because you would
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Speaker 1: think that with the evidence that's been provided and then
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Speaker 1: the piss poor job that the defense has done, that
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Speaker 1: it won't take long to come to a verdict here,
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Speaker 1: to come to decision. Obviously, I think that there's enough
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Speaker 1: that's been presented to indict her. I mean, excuse me,
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Speaker 1: to convict her and make sure that she's, you know,
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Speaker 1: punished for what she has done. But I wonder how
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Speaker 1: long it's going to take the jury as far as
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Speaker 1: deliberations to come back with a verdict. A lot of times,
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Speaker 1: you know, nobody wants to wait around for the holiday, right?
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Speaker 1: You know, You sit around, you deliberate for a couple
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Speaker 1: of days, go home for Christmas, come back, deliberate for
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Speaker 1: a few more days, and get to a verdict. Now, again,
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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure which way it's going to go,
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Speaker 1: but my guess would be that these jurors have seen enough,
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Speaker 1: and they don't have to deliberate for very long. And
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Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to see what happens today in
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Speaker 1: the closing argument portion, but my guess would be, and again,
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Speaker 1: this is just a guess, that we'll have the verdict
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Speaker 1: in Before the holiday. So today closing arguments. The jury
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Speaker 1: should get. The information today. They should start deliberating today.
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Speaker 1: At some point. And then that gives them two and
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Speaker 1: a half days. To come up with the verdict. And
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Speaker 1: I think that should be plenty of time. A sufficient
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Speaker 1: amount of time. And hopefully. We all slide into a
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Speaker 1: Christmas holiday. With a conviction for Ghislaine Maxwell. That would
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Speaker 1: be nice wouldn't it? But before we get there, I
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Speaker 1: have an article today from CNN that's going to go
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Speaker 1: over some of the stuff that has occurred recently, as
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Speaker 1: far as the case goes, and also what to expect
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Speaker 1: today with closing arguments. So this is an article from CNN.
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Speaker 1: The author is Lauren DeValley. And the headline, closing arguments
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Speaker 1: are set to begin today in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
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Speaker 1: Closing arguments are set to begin Monday morning in Manhattan
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Speaker 1: in the federal trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, the longtime confidant, co-conspirator,
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Speaker 1: general all-around scuzzbag, of Jeffrey Epstein. Maxwell, 59, has pleaded
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Speaker 1: not guilty to six charges, including conspiracy, sex trafficking of minors,
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Speaker 1: and enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal
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Speaker 1: sex acts. She faces up to 70 years in prison
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Speaker 1: if convicted on all six counts. I mean, what does
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Speaker 1: that even mean? enticing a minor to travel to engage
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Speaker 1: in illegal sex acts? Wouldn't they all be illegal sex
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Speaker 1: acts if it's a minor? And furthermore, if you're enticing
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Speaker 1: them to travel, shouldn't you be slapped with the Mann Act?
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just spitballing here. I didn't get a
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Speaker 1: law degree or anything like that overnight, but you would
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Speaker 1: think that these laws are on the books for a reason.
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Speaker 1: And if R. Kelly's getting slapped with it, And Keith
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Speaker 1: Ranieri is getting slapped with it. And Allison Mack is
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Speaker 1: getting slapped with it. Why is Glenn Maxwell able to evade?
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Speaker 1: The prosecutor's closing argument will be two to three hours
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Speaker 1: in length, they said Friday. And the rebuttal summation should
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Speaker 1: last about 45 minutes. Defense attorneys said their summation will
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Speaker 1: not exceed that time frame. The jury will then have
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Speaker 1: two days to deliberate before the court is closed Thursday
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Speaker 1: and Friday for Christmas holidays. jurors can return to continue
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Speaker 1: deliberating the following week if necessary. So again, back to
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Speaker 1: that time frame for the jurors. And we have to
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Speaker 1: be understanding of the fact that these are human beings, right?
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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to spend their holidays dealing with this nonsense.
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Speaker 1: Talk about leaving a bad taste in your mouth over
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Speaker 1: the holidays. Sitting here, going through all of this disgusting shit,
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Speaker 1: and then next thing you know it's Christmas and all
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Speaker 1: your family's at the house. Bizarre. A world of bazaar.
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Speaker 1: So I would think that the jurors want to get
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Speaker 1: this over and done with and get moving. And I
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Speaker 1: expect that to be the case. Pyramid Scheme of Abuse
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors said during opening statements in November that Maxwell and
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Speaker 1: Epstein used cash to lure underage girls into their pyramid
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Speaker 1: scheme of abuse, where prosecutor Laura Pomerantz told jurors that
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Speaker 1: in the 1990s, Maxwell would procure girls for Epstein for
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Speaker 1: sexual abuse via the ruse of a massage. And that's
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Speaker 1: for sure. Massage was code word in the world of
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and his cohorts for sexual behavior with these girls.
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Speaker 1: If they wanted a real massage, come on, they would
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Speaker 1: call in a professional from one of the sports teams
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Speaker 1: or one of the massage therapists that works on insert
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Speaker 1: politician here. But instead, they're going out looking for 14
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Speaker 1: and 15 year old girls to come give them massages because,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's normal behavior. Epstein, who pleaded guilty in
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Speaker 1: 2008 to state prostitution charges, was indicted on federal sex
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Speaker 1: trafficking charges in July 2019, but died by suicide, allegedly,
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Speaker 1: in prison a month later. Maxwell was arrested in 2020.
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Speaker 1: Four key witnesses testified for the prosecution against Maxwell. All
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Speaker 1: women who alleged Epstein sexually abused them when they were
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Speaker 1: under 18. Three of the four accusers use pseudonyms or
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Speaker 1: only their first names to protect their privacy. And you
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Speaker 1: can't blame them. I mean, when you look at the M.O.
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Speaker 1: for Epstein and Maxwell and their lawyers and the way
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Speaker 1: they attempt to destroy, discredit and demean these girls, why
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Speaker 1: would you want to come out and speak publicly against them?
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Speaker 1: Just ends up bad for you, right? Ends up, you know,
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Speaker 1: where you're dealing with a lot of nonsense you wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have to deal with. So coming out and being anonymous
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Speaker 1: for their testimony, I think that when you're someone who
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Speaker 1: has dealt with abuse, someone who has been abused, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that your identity should be protected by the
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Speaker 1: law if that is something that you want to happen. Again,
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Speaker 1: you've been victimized enough at this point. Really, the law
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Speaker 1: has to be involved in re-victimizing you? Jane said on
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Speaker 1: the stand that Maxwell sometimes joined in on the sexualized massages.
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Speaker 1: Kate testified that Maxwell set up those sexual meetings. Carolyn
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Speaker 1: testified that Maxwell once touched her breasts, hips, and butt
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Speaker 1: and told her that she had a great body for
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Speaker 1: Epstein and his friends. She was 14 at the time,
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Speaker 1: she said. So think about that. You got Maxwell out
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Speaker 1: here touching this girl, talking about how she's great for
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Speaker 1: Epstein and his friends, which is interesting. For anyone who's
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Speaker 1: been following the case, when he says, end his friends,
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Speaker 1: and then you look at what Virginia has said about
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Speaker 1: the trafficking of the girls to his friends and the
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Speaker 1: whole nine, all the pieces fit together, right? And when
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Speaker 1: you look at this, if you looked at it just
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Speaker 1: in the vacuum, you would say, oh, wow, that's just,
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Speaker 1: that's a coincidence. But when you look at everything compiled together,
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Speaker 1: and you look at all of the puzzle pieces that
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Speaker 1: are on the board, it's rather obvious that everything was
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Speaker 1: happening for a reason. These people, they had a whole
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Speaker 1: entire situation set up and they had it running smoothly
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Speaker 1: as hell. And when you're being protected from on high,
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Speaker 1: when you have the kind of access to the lawyers
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Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein had to elicit the sort of deal
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Speaker 1: that you get when you're actually caught, well, you're looking
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Speaker 1: at A 40-year run of molestation and abuse that Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein was on. The fourth woman, Annie Farmer, testified that
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Speaker 1: she was 16 years old when Maxwell massaged her naked
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Speaker 1: chest at Epstein's New Mexico ranch in 1996. Two dozen
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Speaker 1: witnesses were called across 10 days of testimony before the
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Speaker 1: prosecution rested. In photos shown to jurors, Maxwell and Epstein
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Speaker 1: are seen embracing and smiling for the camera over the years,
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Speaker 1: including several showing her massaging his foot. Their relevance is self-apparent.
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Speaker 1: Given the contents of the photographs, Prosecutor Allison Moe said,
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Speaker 1: the relationship between Maxwell and Epstein is central to this case.
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Speaker 1: And it really is. It really is the central pillar,
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Speaker 1: They were running around together. For all of these years.
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Speaker 1: Involved in this stuff together. It wasn't one of them
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Speaker 1: doing it. It wasn't the other one doing it. It's
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Speaker 1: not Maxwell taking the fall. She's being held responsible for
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Speaker 1: her part. For what she did. To these survivors. According
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Speaker 1: to them. Don't you think it's time for her to
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Speaker 1: be held responsible. All these years later. And it comes
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Speaker 1: back to that non-prosecution agreement. If it wasn't for that NPA,
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Speaker 1: all of these people would have been held responsible a
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Speaker 1: long time ago, I'm convinced of that. The defense rested
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Speaker 1: on Friday. The defense rested Friday after presenting its case
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Speaker 1: over the course of two days, arguing Maxwell as being
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Speaker 1: scapegoated for Epstein's criminal behavior and seeking to dispute the
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Speaker 1: accuser's statements. Attorneys called to the stand Eva Anderson Dubin,
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Speaker 1: who testified she dated Epstein on and off from 1983
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Speaker 1: through about 1991. She confirmed that she and her now husband,
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Speaker 1: hedge fund billionaire Glenn Dubin, remained friends with Epstein through
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Speaker 1: the 2000s. When she was asked about her memory and
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, she said, oh, I don't have that
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Speaker 1: great of a memory. So what are you doing on
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Speaker 1: the stand anyway? What sort of benefit are you to anyone?
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Speaker 1: In fact, I'll say it again, you should have been
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Speaker 1: on the stand, but not as a witness, as somebody
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Speaker 1: who's indicted here as a co-conspirator. In response to questioning
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Speaker 1: by the defense, Anderson Dubin said she had never participated
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Speaker 1: in group sexualized massages with one of the accusers, referred
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Speaker 1: to as Jane, who had earlier testified she recalled a
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Speaker 1: woman named Eva had joined group sexualized massages with Epstein
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Speaker 1: and Maxwell. Asked Friday if she'd ever been involved in
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Speaker 1: such a scenario with Jane, she responded, absolutely not. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: what's she gonna say? Yeah, that was me. I was involved.
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Speaker 1: We were having all kinds of sexual trysts at my apartment.
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Speaker 1: Here's an idea. Charge these people with Rico, and let's
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Speaker 1: really get to the bottom of it. A prosecutor clarified
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Speaker 1: on cross-examination that Eva Anderson Dubin is not necessarily the
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Speaker 1: only Eva to have interacted with Epstein, suggesting Jane could
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Speaker 1: have been referring to someone else. And that's very possible
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Speaker 1: as well. Again, we know that Jeffrey Epstein and his
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Speaker 1: buddy Jean-Luc Brunel loved to bring girls in from Eastern Europe.
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Speaker 1: That was their thing. They loved it. They had all
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Speaker 1: kinds of Eastern European models that they would bring in.
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Speaker 1: Girls from Croatia, girls from uh, the Balkans, right? And
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Speaker 1: it was anywhere that you could go where it was
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Speaker 1: war torn or a place where they're suffering in strife
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Speaker 1: or a developing nation that might not, you know, be, uh,
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Speaker 1: where it needs to be as far as economically. Those
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Speaker 1: are the places where Jeffrey Epstein and his scumbag friend,
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Speaker 1: John Luke Brunel used to love to go and bring
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Speaker 1: girls into the fold. You go and promise these girls
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Speaker 1: a modeling gig, and you show up with these credentials,
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Speaker 1: and you show up with all of these big dreams,
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Speaker 1: and then they get to the United States, and none
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Speaker 1: of that happens. None of their dreams come true, none
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Speaker 1: of their wishes come true. Instead, they find themselves stuck
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Speaker 1: at that building over on 66th, and involved in whatever
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Speaker 1: the hell Brunel and Epstein have laid out for them.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm sure there was another Eva, but... Going
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Speaker 1: back to Eva Dubin Anderson, it's very obvious that there's
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Speaker 1: more there. As far as the relationship with Epstein, her
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Speaker 1: kids called him Uncle Jeffy, for God's sakes. So they
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Speaker 1: were very, very close. And the fact that Glenn Dubin
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Speaker 1: is being credibly accused of raping Virginia is something that
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Speaker 1: should be brought up when we're talking about the Dubins, no?
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Speaker 1: So basically the defense called as a character witness the
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Speaker 1: wife of somebody who is being credibly accused of raping
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Speaker 1: somebody else involved in this whole entire thing. That's how
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Speaker 1: scraping the bottom of the barrel Glenn Maxwell's defense team
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Speaker 1: is and was when it comes to finding character witnesses
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Speaker 1: for her. On Thursday, as part of the defense's effort
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Speaker 1: to undermine the accuser's testimony, a psychologist and professor at
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Speaker 1: the University of California, Irvine testified about false memories, telling
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Speaker 1: the court people can be exposed to misinformation about an
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Speaker 1: event after the fact and incorporate it into their memory,
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Speaker 1: making it inaccurate. So we've talked about Elizabeth Loftus and her,
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Speaker 1: you know, memory techniques and what she has to say
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Speaker 1: about creating memories afterwards and... how unreliable memories can be
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Speaker 1: and all of that jazz. And she flopped. Elizabeth Loftus
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Speaker 1: flopped on the stand for the defense. In fact, the
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Speaker 1: prosecution even got her to admit some damning stuff the
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Speaker 1: other way about trauma and the main body of the trauma,
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Speaker 1: meaning the actual abuse and how that memory is strengthened
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Speaker 1: a lot of times. So... They brought up Elizabeth Loftus
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Speaker 1: at $ 600 an hour, mind you, and she absolutely was
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Speaker 1: a non-factor in my opinion. The whole entire strategy of
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Speaker 1: going after the girls' memories, going after the girls for
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Speaker 1: their personal lives and all of that stuff, I never
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Speaker 1: thought was going to be a winning strategy. The only
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Speaker 1: way Maxwell was ever going to win in a case
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Speaker 1: like this, in my opinion... Is if she brought up
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Speaker 1: some receipts. I wasn't there at this time. I had
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with this. I wasn't even present here.
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Speaker 1: But she had none of that. All she had was innuendo.
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Speaker 1: And attempting to punch holes. In what these survivors had
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Speaker 1: to say. And I don't think they were able to
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Speaker 1: do it. Even traumatic experiences can be subjected to post-event
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Speaker 1: suggestion that can exaggerate, distort, or change the memory, Dr.
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Loftus said. And again, the goal was to try
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Speaker 1: and tell the jury that these girls are misremembering. This
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Speaker 1: didn't really happen the way they think it happened. And afterwards,
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Speaker 1: with the media suggesting to them that other girls were abused, etc., etc., well,
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Speaker 1: that made their memories different. And that's the point that
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Speaker 1: she was trying to get across here. And I just
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Speaker 1: don't think that she did a good enough job. And
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Speaker 1: as much as I've been busting on the prosecution, and
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Speaker 1: it's been a lot, I think that they did a
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Speaker 1: good job cross-examining her and getting her to admit to
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Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. Maxwell declined to testify on Friday,
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Speaker 1: telling Judge Allison Nathan when asked if she understood her rights,
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Speaker 1: So again, with that, I can't even... Understand that, honestly.
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Speaker 1: If I was innocent, especially, you better believe I'm taking
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Speaker 1: the stand. You better believe I'm getting up there and
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Speaker 1: telling my side of the story. I'm not sitting around
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Speaker 1: on my hands and letting Elizabeth Loftus write my fate.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sitting around and having Christian Everdell tell my story.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting up there and I'm telling everybody, I didn't
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Speaker 1: do this. I didn't hurt these girls. I didn't traffic anybody.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't involved in any of this. But we don't
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Speaker 1: see any of that, do we? We never see that
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Speaker 1: from these kind of people. They never get up on
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Speaker 1: the stand in their own defense. Because, let's be very clear,
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Speaker 1: most of these scumbags, well, they're guilty. And when you're guilty,
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Speaker 1: you don't want to take the stand. You end up
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Speaker 1: getting absolutely hammered. But if you're telling the truth, And
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Speaker 1: you have the truth on your side. And you didn't
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Speaker 1: engage in any of this abuse. You didn't engage in
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Speaker 1: trafficking these kids. Don't you think you'd want to get
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Speaker 1: on that stand and say, hey, whoa, hold on a
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Speaker 1: minute here. I've been quiet for long enough. Here's my
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Speaker 1: side of the story. I would think that the jury
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Speaker 1: would take note of that. Would be receptive to that.
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Speaker 1: A lot more than you just sitting around acting like
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Speaker 1: the defense hasn't made... I mean, the prosecution hasn't made
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Speaker 1: its case because they have. even with them bumbling around,
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Speaker 1: they've made their case on the back of strong testimony.
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Speaker 1: And they're lucky they had that strong testimony by the survivors,
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Speaker 1: because without that, well, the prosecution certainly was... I won't
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Speaker 1: say inept, but they weren't great. There's no doubt in
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Speaker 1: my mind that they were not great. And it's something
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Speaker 1: I was concerned about the whole entire time. The SDNY
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Speaker 1: is not the powerhouse of a legal team like they
18:43
Speaker 1: used to be. We're talking about the people who brought
18:45
Speaker 1: down the mafia. Now all they want to do is,
18:49
Speaker 1: you know, dick around and go after politically expedient cases.
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Speaker 1: And it's a joke. If this case was happening in
18:59
Speaker 1: the old days in the SDNY, they would have just
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Speaker 1: destroyed these people. But, unfortunately, the SDNY doesn't have the
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Speaker 1: teeth that it used to. Now the closing arguments are
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Speaker 1: set to begin here in a little while, and we'll
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Speaker 1: be following it to see what happens. Tonight on the
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Speaker 1: Evening Update, we'll talk about what went on today during
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Speaker 1: the closing arguments, and we'll take a look at some
19:23
Speaker 1: of the back and forth in the courtroom, as long
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Speaker 1: as there's some out there for me to go through
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Speaker 1: and put together in some notes. But either way, I'll
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Speaker 1: be back tonight with the Evening Update, and we'll definitely
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Speaker 1: be talking about what occurred today in the closing arguments
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Speaker 1: as we prepare for the jury debate. to deliberate. If
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Speaker 1: Alright folks, I'll be back later on. Hope that all
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Speaker 1: of you have a great day. And welcome back to
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Speaker 1: the Epstein Chronicles. Today, Ghislaine Maxwell's defense team wrapped things up, folks,
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Speaker 1: and it was after only eight witnesses were brought to
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Speaker 1: the stand in her defense. Now, usually we'd go through
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Speaker 1: all of the witness statements for the day and what
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Speaker 1: they talked about in the courtroom, but it was clunky
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Speaker 1: as hell today in the courtroom. They started, then they stopped,
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Speaker 1: and really the only witness of note that was up
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Speaker 1: on the stand to give any testimony was Was Eva Dubin.
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Speaker 1: Now Eva Dubin is the wife. Of Glenn Dubin. And
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Speaker 1: Glenn Dubin. Is not only somebody. Who was obviously in
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's orbit. But. According to Virginia Roberts. Glenn Dubin.
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Speaker 1: assaulted her as she was being trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: So he's not only just an enabler, and his wife
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Speaker 1: shouldn't just be a witness for the defense here, he
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Speaker 1: is actually somebody who has been credibly accused of rape.
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Speaker 1: So it shows you the bottom of the barrel that
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Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell is dredging when it came to witnesses. Now,
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Speaker 1: there was the talk of 35 witnesses that the defense
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Speaker 1: was talking about bringing up, And I thought that was
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Speaker 1: a bit extreme. So it certainly is not going to
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Speaker 1: be the case at this point. And you look at
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Speaker 1: the witnesses that they had and what they brought to
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Speaker 1: the table and the picture that they were painting. And
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Speaker 1: to me, anyway, it certainly didn't move Ghislaine Maxwell's defense
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Speaker 1: any further. It didn't push the goalposts, if you will.
21:55
Speaker 1: It was pretty much them spinning their wheels. And what
21:59
Speaker 1: happens here is you can see very much so why
22:03
Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell and her attorneys played the game of loopholes
22:07
Speaker 1: and technicalities the way they did. They knew that they
22:11
Speaker 1: didn't have a chance in a courtroom trial. They don't
22:16
Speaker 1: have any evidence on their side to push their story along.
22:21
Speaker 1: All they can hope to do is punch holes in
22:24
Speaker 1: the defense. And then when you see her not taking
22:28
Speaker 1: the stand, well, for me, that says everything that I
22:32
Speaker 1: need to hear, to be honest. And I know people
22:34
Speaker 1: will say, oh, well, a lawyer tells her not to
22:37
Speaker 1: take a stand. I don't care. If it's my life
22:39
Speaker 1: on the line, going to prison for the rest of
22:41
Speaker 1: my life, and I'm innocent especially, you better believe I'm
22:45
Speaker 1: going to go up there, take the stand, and give
22:48
Speaker 1: my account of what happened and defend my name. So
22:53
Speaker 1: you're thinking for all of this money with Ghislaine Maxwell's
22:56
Speaker 1: defense that we're going to end with a bang. And folks,
22:59
Speaker 1: we went out with a whimper. Now, they're going to
23:04
Speaker 1: be meeting tomorrow as well. It's a bit of a conference.
23:09
Speaker 1: And then Monday will be the closing arguments. After that,
23:13
Speaker 1: it'll be the deliberations. And the jury will either make
23:17
Speaker 1: a decision on Ghislaine Maxwell's fate right before Christmas or
23:22
Speaker 1: right after the holiday. My guess is they're coming right
23:24
Speaker 1: back to get back to work. But it's kind of
23:28
Speaker 1: an odd place for the jury to be, right? Hard-ended
23:33
Speaker 1: by a holiday like that. And you would think that
23:37
Speaker 1: they want to get home and get on with their holidays.
23:40
Speaker 1: But I don't know. After only eight defense witnesses are
23:46
Speaker 1: called here, you would think that it won't take the
23:50
Speaker 1: jury all that long to deliberate. When we were first
23:53
Speaker 1: talking about this case, they were saying that it's going
23:55
Speaker 1: to go six weeks. And that's what my schedule was
23:58
Speaker 1: based around. So you would think that there's going to
24:02
Speaker 1: be more testimony from both sides. And when the prosecution
24:06
Speaker 1: wrapped it up early... I figured that perhaps the defense
24:11
Speaker 1: would try and push it home a little bit and
24:13
Speaker 1: call maybe not 35 witnesses, but certainly more than eight. Especially,
24:19
Speaker 1: like I said, when you look at what they brought
24:21
Speaker 1: to the table, it was kind of ridiculous. And I
24:25
Speaker 1: don't even know what sort of help any of these
24:30
Speaker 1: witnesses were for Ghislaine Maxwell. A couple of the assistants
24:33
Speaker 1: talking about how Ghislaine Maxwell was nice to them and,
24:36
Speaker 1: but none of them were ever even in the area
24:44
Speaker 1: when this stuff was going on. So just because Jeffrey
24:48
Speaker 1: Dahmer's co-workers never saw him kill and eat anyone, does
24:50
Speaker 1: that mean it didn't happen? So the whole group of
24:57
Speaker 1: witnesses that have been brought forward, I just haven't found
25:00
Speaker 1: to be worthwhile as far as the defense. And if
25:04
Speaker 1: it was me and I was sitting in that seat
25:07
Speaker 1: that Ghislaine Maxwell is sitting in, I'd be freaking out
25:10
Speaker 1: at my defense team right now. And I would definitely
25:14
Speaker 1: be taking the stand, but she's not going to do it.
25:18
Speaker 1: She says that in her opinion, the government has not
25:20
Speaker 1: yet made the case and she's innocent. But I would
25:25
Speaker 1: think that taking the stand would go a long way
25:28
Speaker 1: with the jury, especially we're not talking about somebody who's
25:31
Speaker 1: not used to speaking in public or somebody who doesn't
25:35
Speaker 1: have a large vocabulary or doesn't know what they're saying.
25:41
Speaker 1: This is somebody who's very highly educated, Oxford educated. She
25:45
Speaker 1: should be able to get up there on that stand
25:47
Speaker 1: and give an accounting of what went down and what
25:49
Speaker 1: happened and refute the testimony of these survivors one by one. Now,
25:59
Speaker 1: I guess her legal team probably took a look at
26:02
Speaker 1: all of that, and they probably had some mock runs
26:05
Speaker 1: previously on how a jury would react to her taking
26:09
Speaker 1: the stand, and my guess is it didn't come back
26:12
Speaker 1: very favorably. So they decided to just end today, wrap
26:17
Speaker 1: up the case and hope that enough doubt was punched
26:21
Speaker 1: into the testimony of the survivors and the witnesses brought
26:25
Speaker 1: forth by the prosecution in the last two weeks or so.
26:31
Speaker 1: I don't really believe that they've done that job. I
26:34
Speaker 1: don't think that they have advanced their narrative to a
26:38
Speaker 1: point where a juror is going to look at it
26:40
Speaker 1: and say, oh, yeah, not guilty. Now, is that set
26:48
Speaker 1: in stone? Of course not. There might be something that
26:51
Speaker 1: we're completely missing here. But from what evidence has been
26:55
Speaker 1: presented thus far, it certainly looks to me as if
27:00
Speaker 1: the prosecution, which certainly didn't have a stellar display throughout
27:04
Speaker 1: this whole thing either, by the way, it looks like
27:07
Speaker 1: they have certainly done enough to make their case at
27:10
Speaker 1: the very least. And When you see the defense end
27:15
Speaker 1: like they did today, you know, you might want to
27:18
Speaker 1: read a little bit into that and say, oh man,
27:19
Speaker 1: they're really on their heels. But I'm not well-versed enough
27:24
Speaker 1: in these kinds of trials to say that or to
27:27
Speaker 1: make those sort of assertions. From my position over here
27:31
Speaker 1: in the peanut gallery, it doesn't look good for the defense.
27:34
Speaker 1: But again, I don't follow these trials on a day-to-day
27:38
Speaker 1: basis for the most part. In fact, this is the
27:40
Speaker 1: first trial I have ever followed. I usually have zero
27:43
Speaker 1: interest in the legalese because it's all jumble soup, right?
27:48
Speaker 1: It's confusing and a lot of nonsense and a lot
27:51
Speaker 1: of boring lulls in the action, if you will. So
27:56
Speaker 1: this might be something that the defense, you know, does
27:58
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. And I have read in these
28:01
Speaker 1: kinds of cases, sexual abuse cases, that the defense does
28:04
Speaker 1: try to keep their presentations short and sweet because they understand...
28:11
Speaker 1: the fragility of things when you're dealing with sexual assault.
28:15
Speaker 1: So what we're going to do today, instead of diving
28:18
Speaker 1: all the way into, you know, the courtroom back and
28:22
Speaker 1: forth like we have been every other day, considering we
28:25
Speaker 1: had hours and hours of that, what we're going to
28:28
Speaker 1: do today is just go through a couple of articles
28:30
Speaker 1: and wrap up what happened in the courtroom. Like I said,
28:33
Speaker 1: the Eva Dubin stuff is the most important, but even then,
28:38
Speaker 1: there was nothing groundbreaking. Nothing that was missed as far
28:42
Speaker 1: as being reported by the articles in the aftermath now.
28:48
Speaker 1: There was no like, you know, little gems or anything
28:51
Speaker 1: like that. Eva Dubin getting up there as a witness
28:54
Speaker 1: for Ghislaine Maxwell in this bizarro world we live in.
28:58
Speaker 1: So with that said, let's take a look at this
29:00
Speaker 1: article from CNN and let's see what they have to say.
29:05
Speaker 1: This article was authored by Lauren Davali and... Dakin Andone,
29:10
Speaker 1: or Andonee, sorry, I might have mispronounced that one way
29:14
Speaker 1: or the other. Headline, Ghislaine Maxwell's defense team rests its
29:17
Speaker 1: case after she declines to testify. Ghislaine Maxwell's defense team
29:22
Speaker 1: has rested its case in her sex trafficking conspiracy trial
29:26
Speaker 1: without Maxwell taking the stand to testify. The defense rested
29:30
Speaker 1: after presenting its case over two days, in which nine
29:33
Speaker 1: witnesses were called to testify in defense of Maxwell, a
29:37
Speaker 1: close confidant, and longtime associate of Jeffrey Edmonds. Prosecutors said
29:41
Speaker 1: they would not put on any rebuttal. So again, that
29:46
Speaker 1: shows you what the prosecutors think about what the defense
29:49
Speaker 1: brought to the table. They're not even going to put
29:51
Speaker 1: on a rebuttal. They're ready to go with what they have.
29:54
Speaker 1: They think that they've made a strong enough case and
29:57
Speaker 1: they think that their case is going to end up
30:00
Speaker 1: in a conviction. Maxwell confirmed she would not testify in
30:05
Speaker 1: her defense Friday. Asked by Judge Allison Nathan if she
30:08
Speaker 1: understood her rights, Maxwell pulled down her mask and responded,
30:12
Speaker 1: Your Honor, the government has not proven its case beyond
30:14
Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt, and so there is no need for
30:18
Speaker 1: me to testify. The jury was not present when this
30:21
Speaker 1: back and forth occurred. So, according to her, In her world, where, remember,
30:27
Speaker 1: all of us are the hero in our own story, right?
30:29
Speaker 1: In her world, nobody's made the case. I didn't do
30:33
Speaker 1: anything wrong. I had nothing to do with any of this.
30:37
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take the stand and testify on
30:39
Speaker 1: my own behalf, which I find, honestly, crazy. Again, I'm
30:43
Speaker 1: not a $ 2, 000 an hour lawyer either. I'm just looking
30:47
Speaker 1: at it from the average person perspective. And when, you know,
30:53
Speaker 1: someone is... accused of something wrongly, or somebody is said
30:58
Speaker 1: to have committed a crime that they didn't commit, a
31:01
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, I'd say a majority of times,
31:03
Speaker 1: a vast majority of times, most people want to clear
31:06
Speaker 1: their name, right? Get up there, tell their side of
31:09
Speaker 1: the story. But Maxwell has never done anything like that.
31:12
Speaker 1: She's hidden behind the non-prosecution agreement, and she's hidden behind
31:16
Speaker 1: the fact that the media, for the most part, up
31:18
Speaker 1: until recently, has not cared one single lick about this
31:23
Speaker 1: whole entire fiasco. Closing arguments are expected Monday, and Judge
31:29
Speaker 1: Allison Nathan said she expects to instruct and charge the
31:31
Speaker 1: jury the same day, giving jurors two days to deliberate
31:35
Speaker 1: before court closes next Thursday and Friday for the Christmas holidays.
31:40
Speaker 1: So they have two days right before Christmas to get
31:42
Speaker 1: their deliberation on. And, obviously, they'll go back and forth
31:46
Speaker 1: in the courtroom, and they'll discuss all of the evidence
31:52
Speaker 1: that they have received, what they think, and they'll try
31:55
Speaker 1: and come to a conclusion. The jury can return to
32:00
Speaker 1: continue deliberating the following week if they have not reached
32:03
Speaker 1: a verdict. Maxwell is pleaded not guilty to six federal charges,
32:08
Speaker 1: including sex trafficking of minors, enticing a minor to travel
32:11
Speaker 1: to engage in illegal sex acts, transporting a minor with
32:15
Speaker 1: the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, and three
32:18
Speaker 1: counts of conspiracy. Um, I don't see any man act
32:22
Speaker 1: in here. Very weird. Enticing a minor to travel to
32:25
Speaker 1: engage in illegal sex acts? That's pretty much what the
32:29
Speaker 1: man act was put on the books for, no? The
32:35
Speaker 1: case against Maxwell, 59, relies mainly on the testimony of
32:39
Speaker 1: four women who say they were sexually abused by Epstein
32:42
Speaker 1: when they were under the age of 18 and that
32:44
Speaker 1: Maxwell facilitated and sometimes participated in the abuse. Prosecutors rested
32:50
Speaker 1: their case last Friday after 10 days of testimony and
32:53
Speaker 1: calling 24 witnesses. So... We got a third of the
32:59
Speaker 1: witnesses called by the defense. And again, like I said,
33:02
Speaker 1: they were not substantial in my opinion. I don't think
33:06
Speaker 1: any of the witnesses called by the defense were of
33:10
Speaker 1: a substantial nature that made you sit up and take
33:13
Speaker 1: notice or made you say to yourself, holy shit, maybe
33:16
Speaker 1: I've read this whole thing wrong. Maybe I've missed something.
33:20
Speaker 1: Because I'm always looking for evidence that's going to challenge
33:22
Speaker 1: my biases and challenge my beliefs. And I've continued to
33:26
Speaker 1: do that throughout this whole entire ordeal, at least since
33:29
Speaker 1: I've been following it for three years. And to tell
33:31
Speaker 1: you the truth, folks, it always ends up in the
33:35
Speaker 1: same place. Maxwell, Epstein, and all of their enablers, they
33:39
Speaker 1: were guilty of all of this. Maxwell's defense attorneys have
33:45
Speaker 1: argued she is being scapegoated for Epstein's actions and have
33:49
Speaker 1: attacked both the motivations and memory of the women who
33:52
Speaker 1: say they were abused. Now, look, I'm not going to
33:56
Speaker 1: sit here and tell you that Ghislaine Maxwell should be
33:59
Speaker 1: the only one to go down for this. She shouldn't.
34:01
Speaker 1: Sarah Kellen Vickers, Adriana Ross, Leslie Groff, and a host
34:06
Speaker 1: of others who have been intimately involved with Epstein throughout
34:10
Speaker 1: this whole entire thing. They all deserve their taste. But
34:14
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that we should just be like, oh, well,
34:17
Speaker 1: since nobody else is on trial, nobody else is indicted. Well,
34:20
Speaker 1: we shouldn't worry about Maxwell. What sort of nonsense is that?
34:26
Speaker 1: Maxwell needs to go to prison. So does Sarah Kellen Vickers,
34:29
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Hopefully they'll indict her someday. But with
34:33
Speaker 1: the non-prosecution agreement, obviously it's going to be difficult. Epstein
34:40
Speaker 1: was indicted on federal sex trafficking charges in July 2019,
34:45
Speaker 1: but died by suicide in prison a month later, allegedly.
34:49
Speaker 1: He'd previously pleaded guilty in 2008 to state prostitution charges,
34:54
Speaker 1: and those prostitution charges, remember, all stemmed from the situation
34:58
Speaker 1: of bringing the girls to the house for massages in
35:01
Speaker 1: Palm Beach, all part of this sexual pyramid scheme he
35:04
Speaker 1: was running. And only one of those girls was able
35:08
Speaker 1: to give her testimony to the grand jury in Palm
35:10
Speaker 1: Beach because the prosecutors, Barry Kirscher's office, and the rest
35:15
Speaker 1: of those dunces worked with the defense hand in hand, Lefkowitz, Dershowitz,
35:23
Speaker 1: Kenny Starr, the rest of them, to make sure that
35:27
Speaker 1: the accusers, little girls, by the way, had their credibility
35:31
Speaker 1: ruined as well. Oh, because they drank or they had
35:34
Speaker 1: pictures up on MySpace with a boy or they, here's
35:38
Speaker 1: the big one that's really going to knock you out
35:40
Speaker 1: of your socks. They smoked a pot. I mean, really?
35:45
Speaker 1: And this is what was going down in Palm Beach
35:47
Speaker 1: in 2008 when all of this occurred. It could have
35:50
Speaker 1: all been stopped then. The defense on Friday called to
35:55
Speaker 1: the stand Eva Anderson Dubin, who testified she dated Epstein
35:59
Speaker 1: on and off from 1983 through about 1991. She confirmed
36:05
Speaker 1: that she and her now husband, hedge fund billionaire Glenn Dubin,
36:09
Speaker 1: remained friends with Epstein through the 2000s. Now I'm going
36:12
Speaker 1: to post an episode about Eva Dubin. Dubin and about
36:18
Speaker 1: her and Jeffrey Epstein's relationship and her husband as well. Now,
36:22
Speaker 1: I've posted a few episodes about the Dubins previously, and
36:25
Speaker 1: this one is going to be a little bit more context,
36:28
Speaker 1: considering she is the focal point, basically, of the discussion today.
36:33
Speaker 1: And Eva Dubin, as a witness, bringing her up here,
36:37
Speaker 1: I don't even understand what the defense is thinking. You're
36:40
Speaker 1: going to bring up the wife of a man who
36:42
Speaker 1: was credibly accused of raping Virginia Roberts. as a character witness?
36:51
Speaker 1: In response to questioning by the defense, Anderson Dubin said
36:55
Speaker 1: she had never participated in group sexualized massages with one
36:58
Speaker 1: of the accusers, referred to as Jane, who had earlier
37:02
Speaker 1: testified she recalled a woman named Eva had joined group
37:05
Speaker 1: sexualized massages with Epstein and Maxwell. So again, we really
37:10
Speaker 1: gonna use Eva Dubin as this, the pinnacle of truth here? Sorry,
37:16
Speaker 1: not me. I've read way too much about these people
37:19
Speaker 1: to even begin to trust what she has to say.
37:23
Speaker 1: I think I'll believe Virginia and what Virginia has said
37:26
Speaker 1: over what any of the Dubins ever have to say.
37:31
Speaker 1: There's an article out there as well about a situation
37:36
Speaker 1: at the Dubin's house that I have a episode on
37:38
Speaker 1: that I'm going to look for. I have it in
37:40
Speaker 1: my archive somewhere and I'm going to post it. It's
37:42
Speaker 1: a disturbing article. article and episode about how there's a
37:48
Speaker 1: situation at the Dubin's house where one of the survivors
37:52
Speaker 1: who was brought there with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell
37:55
Speaker 1: is crying to the butler about her situation and it's
37:59
Speaker 1: just a whole brutal deal. And we have account after
38:03
Speaker 1: account like this of these survivors throughout this whole entire thing.
38:08
Speaker 1: And Eva Dubin is called as a character witness? She
38:12
Speaker 1: should be Worried about getting her own defense attorneys, never
38:16
Speaker 1: mind being a character witness for Ghislaine Maxwell, her and
38:18
Speaker 1: her husband should be facing criminal charges, in my opinion.
38:24
Speaker 1: Asked Friday if she'd ever been involved in such a
38:26
Speaker 1: scenario with Jane, Dubin responded, absolutely not. A prosecutor clarified
38:31
Speaker 1: on cross-examination that Eva Anderson Dubin is not necessarily the
38:36
Speaker 1: only Eva to have interacted with Epstein, suggesting Jane could
38:39
Speaker 1: have been referring to someone else. And that's absolutely 100%
38:43
Speaker 1: correct as well. Was the only Eva Jeffrey Epstein knows?
38:48
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and their buddy Jean-Luc Brunel.
38:53
Speaker 1: They had a long list of girls from Eastern Europe
38:56
Speaker 1: that they like to bring to America to traffic. So
39:00
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were plenty of Evas running around. And
39:03
Speaker 1: the prosecution, again, did a pretty good job today. They
39:07
Speaker 1: were able to hammer home some points and they were
39:09
Speaker 1: able to really cement some of their narrative. On Thursday,
39:17
Speaker 1: as part of the defense effort to undermine the accuser's testimony,
39:20
Speaker 1: a psychologist and professor at the University of California, Irvine
39:24
Speaker 1: testified about false memories telling the court people can be
39:28
Speaker 1: exposed to misinformation about an event after the fact and
39:31
Speaker 1: incorporate it into their memory, making it inaccurate. She was
39:36
Speaker 1: up there with all kinds of quackery yesterday, talking all
39:39
Speaker 1: kinds of crazy stuff. But when the chips were down
39:43
Speaker 1: and the lights were on, she didn't perform, meaning the doctors.
39:47
Speaker 1: She showed herself to be a hired gun. Somebody chasing
39:50
Speaker 1: the dollar signs, looking to get that bag. And the
39:53
Speaker 1: millions of dollars she's made giving testimony for scumbags tells
39:56
Speaker 1: the whole story that you need to know. Now, that
39:59
Speaker 1: doesn't diminish her scholarly accomplishments, right? She is educated in
40:05
Speaker 1: her field and probably one of the foremost experts. But
40:08
Speaker 1: if we're going to question the motivation of the survivors
40:11
Speaker 1: who were abused, we're not going to question the motivation
40:14
Speaker 1: of a hired gun. Even traumatic experiences can be subjected
40:21
Speaker 1: to post-event suggestion that can exaggerate, distort, or change the memory, Dr.
40:26
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Loftus said. She also said, though, that the core
40:30
Speaker 1: memories are remembered. The core memories of the trauma. Those
40:35
Speaker 1: aren't changed. Tense exchanges over trial timing with looming holiday break.
40:43
Speaker 1: Court began Friday with back and forth between the judge
40:46
Speaker 1: and the defense, who prior to the jury being called in,
40:49
Speaker 1: indicated it had at least two potential witnesses that could
40:52
Speaker 1: have carried their case into Monday, including one the defense
40:56
Speaker 1: said had ignored a subpoena. Judge Nathan was visibly frustrated
41:00
Speaker 1: by the news and asked the defense why she had
41:03
Speaker 1: not heard of the issue earlier, saying a non-responsive witness
41:06
Speaker 1: is not a little thing. Yeah, you can get arrested
41:09
Speaker 1: for not showing up for a subpoena that's been served
41:13
Speaker 1: to you. Pretty serious issue, right? Something that the court
41:17
Speaker 1: should probably be made aware of. But one thing we
41:19
Speaker 1: definitely have learned throughout this is that Maxwell's attorneys, they
41:23
Speaker 1: play by their own rules. These guys and gals, they're
41:26
Speaker 1: out there. They're not messing around. For their $ 50 million
41:29
Speaker 1: an hour, they're doxing people, doing whatever the hell they want.
41:37
Speaker 1: The other potential witness was an 81-year-old man who lives
41:40
Speaker 1: in the UK and owns a pub across the street
41:42
Speaker 1: from Maxwell's London townhome. Per the defense, his testimony would
41:46
Speaker 1: have helped prove the allegations by one of the accusers, Kate,
41:50
Speaker 1: could not have taken place when she says they did.
41:53
Speaker 1: So we got an 81-year-old man that they want to
41:55
Speaker 1: bring up, and they're talking about memory. Are they for real?
42:00
Speaker 1: This is what all this money gets you? This is
42:02
Speaker 1: what Christian Everdell, Mr. Prosecutor, big shot from Harvard, hanging
42:07
Speaker 1: out over there with all of his buddies from the
42:09
Speaker 1: 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, Christian Everdell, this is what
42:12
Speaker 1: it buys you? An 81-year-old pub owner is what your
42:18
Speaker 1: defense hinges on. I'm my own. Nathan also expressed concern
42:25
Speaker 1: about the pandemic and indicated she was inclined to compel
42:29
Speaker 1: the defense to rest its case Friday, according to her
42:32
Speaker 1: policy that parties have a witness ready to testify or
42:35
Speaker 1: rest their case. Well, you know what? Not for nothing,
42:37
Speaker 1: Judge Nathan. But if you were so concerned about the pandemic,
42:41
Speaker 1: you would have had phone lines for us to listen
42:42
Speaker 1: in on. Less people showing up, less people around, less
42:45
Speaker 1: chance to catch the crud. But nah, why have transparency, right?
42:50
Speaker 1: No need for transparency when you're running your courtroom like
42:53
Speaker 1: a mini fiefdom. Defense attorneys argued with the judge and prosecutors,
43:00
Speaker 1: with defense attorney Laura Menninger stating, our client's life is
43:03
Speaker 1: on the line. You know what, to be honest with you,
43:06
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with that. This shouldn't be a
43:08
Speaker 1: rushed process. I don't want to leave any kind of
43:10
Speaker 1: weird legalese loopholes or danglies for Ghislaine Maxwell to, you know,
43:16
Speaker 1: wiggle off here. I don't want any of that BS
43:19
Speaker 1: to happen. And it happens more than you would think
43:21
Speaker 1: when it comes to prosecutorial misconduct and screwery in the courtroom,
43:26
Speaker 1: all kinds of nonsense. I don't want any of that
43:29
Speaker 1: to happen. Prosecutors felt the defense had ample time to
43:34
Speaker 1: sort out logistical issues. We strongly disagree with the suggestion
43:38
Speaker 1: that the defense counsel has been unduly rushed here, Prosecutor
43:42
Speaker 1: Maureen Comey said. Defense Attorney Bobby Sternum previously expressed concerns
43:47
Speaker 1: about the timing of closing arguments, and potentially charging the
43:51
Speaker 1: jury to deliberate with limited time before the holiday break. Yeah,
43:56
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with that too. It's kind of rough.
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Speaker 1: I know that as a juror, I'd be wanting to
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Speaker 1: get to my Christmas celebrations. For me, Christmas begins way early.
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Speaker 1: In my family, you know, we have family coming in early,
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Speaker 1: three weeks before the holidays. So, you know, it's a
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Speaker 1: whole monthly ordeal for me and I definitely would be
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Speaker 1: bummed if I had to sit on some jury for it.
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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. But that's the way it ended
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Speaker 1: up and that's the way the cookie crumbled. Sometimes you
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Speaker 1: got to do what you got to do, right? Really
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Speaker 1: what it comes down to is like 80% of the
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Speaker 1: time we do what we have to do and only
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Speaker 1: 20% of the time we get to do what we
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Speaker 1: want to do. Christmas this year is particularly celebratory, she said,
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Speaker 1: since people were not able to do that last year.
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Speaker 1: Our concern is that the jury might feel we don't
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Speaker 1: want to come back and rush to judgment. Ultimately, on Friday,
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Speaker 1: the defense opted to withdraw its request for an arrest
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Speaker 1: warrant for the witness who did not respond to the subpoena.
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Speaker 1: The parties also agreed to a stipulation about Maxwell's property
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Speaker 1: ownership in London in the 90s, so the defense opted
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Speaker 1: not to continue the push for testimony from the pub owner.
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Speaker 1: So that's what happened today in the courtroom, folks. And really,
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Speaker 1: we didn't miss much when it comes to the transcripts.
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Speaker 1: If you were following along as it was happening today,
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Speaker 1: there were so many lulls and breaks and boring pauses
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Speaker 1: that it almost felt like I was watching some kind
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Speaker 1: of procedural. And it was just one of those kind of...
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Speaker 1: days for the defense that you want to put on
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Speaker 1: the back burner and forget about because they had witnesses
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Speaker 1: that didn't want to show up, witnesses that weren't allowed
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Speaker 1: to testify because of logistics. And when you add it
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Speaker 1: all up and you look at it from an overall perspective,
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Speaker 1: you It certainly looks to me that we're going to
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Speaker 1: get some guilty convictions coming back. Now, I don't know
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Speaker 1: exactly which charges she'll be guilty on or not guilty on.
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Speaker 1: I'm just giving you my gut feeling here. And from
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Speaker 1: what I have seen from the prosecution, from the defense,
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Speaker 1: and watching it every single day for basically the last
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Speaker 1: three years... It certainly seems to me that there is
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Speaker 1: enough here for a conviction and that the jury will
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Speaker 1: feel the same way. Now, obviously, we'll have to see
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Speaker 1: what's going on. And tomorrow, they're going to be in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom for some more proceedings to get ready for Monday.
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Speaker 1: And obviously, I'll be taking a look at that as well.
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Speaker 1: And we'll do an update on that tomorrow night. But
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Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, we'll be back with the same old morning updates.
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Speaker 1: And we'll keep it rocking and rolling until this is
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Speaker 1: all finished out, but it was a, uh, an end
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Speaker 1: with a whimper here, folks. You know, like, usually, you
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Speaker 1: go to the fireworks show, and then you have the
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Speaker 1: grand finale. There was no grand finale for Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it was more like the grand fizzle. If
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Speaker 1: you'd like to contact me, you can do that at
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Speaker 1: bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com. You can
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Speaker 1: also find me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The
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Speaker 1: link that we discussed tonight can be found in the
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