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S01E20: Season 1 Finale: What We Built, and What Comes Next” · What's on Your Riste? A Watch Podcast

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20 episodes. I want to start there.
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Not with a watch story or brand story or a philosophical
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framework. Just 20 episodes.
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When I recorded episode 1, I honestly didn't know if I would
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make it to episode 5. Not because I didn't believe in
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the project, I did, and I do, but because making something is
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hard. Showing up every week and trying
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to say something worth hearing is hard.
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And this watch hobby is enormous, and there are some big
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personalities in this space. And the things that I don't know
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about it are even more enormous. And the ways that this could go
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wrong, the facts that I could get wrong, which I'm sure I
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have, and the pronunciations that I could butcher, which I
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have. Thank you, Chopic, for messaging
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me directly and telling me that you guys were laughing in a
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room. And my, my French, I appreciate
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you, brothers and sisters. There's a lot of facts that I
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could have gotten wrong, which I'm sure I have, and takes that
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I could have misjudged and voices that I may not have
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represented fairly. And all of this was present when
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I sat down for the very first episode.
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So 20 episodes later, I want to say something to the people who
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have been here for this. Thank you.
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Not in like a generic way, in a very specific, this actually
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means something to me way you didn't have to listen.
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There's a lot of watch podcasts, There's a lot of places to spend
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your listening time. The fact that you chose to spend
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some of it here episode after episode through the philosophy
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and a security lecture. I'm sorry for that.
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I just had to share it with you so that hopefully you can
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protect yourselves and the episode on Jorn and getting into
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Japanese mountain workshops and British clock makers on an
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island. That's not something that I take
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for granted. So before we do anything else,
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just just thank you and just know that I want to talk about
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what we've actually built. Not me.
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Hey, what's? Your
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All right, welcome back to what's on your rest day.
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I am Wachovsky. I'm actually just rest day for
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most folks. I'm I use the handle Wachovsky
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online. It's a joke from my last name,
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which is Simidoski. So I am actually just brief
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stay. This is episode 20 and it's the
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season 1 finale. So if you're listening to this
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and you haven't listened to the entire season, this is not a
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typical podcast where we go through and hit on the most
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recent, you know, releases of watches.
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So it's more of like a television show, I would say, or
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more like a a survey. And so start at the very
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beginning and then work your way up and then get to this point
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and then join us maybe in Season 2.
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OK, so today's going to have two parts.
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The first part is really mine. It's this reflection on the
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season, an honest account of what I think we did well and
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what I think we or I have left unfinished and maybe a map of
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where Season 2 might go. Now, obviously those things are
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all up for debate, but this is kind of my sketch of what that
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looks like. If you saw the sketch of what I
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had for season 1, it's very, very different than what it
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actually turned into, which I think is even more beautiful
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because it was being written as engagement was coming in.
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Then the second part of the episode is going to belong to
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you. We're going to have or we're
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going to start with this kind of the second part with this
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listener Q&A questions actually that came in over the course of
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the season that either hadn't had a chance to answer or that I
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want to answer properly now. Then when we get into the
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listener mail, which I think is kind of fun, there's some
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letters and some stories and some confessions and arguments
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that have been coming to me since like I started to ask them
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about halfway through the season.
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So like episodes 1011, I think in 13 and then also 18, I
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believe I referenced those. So I'm going to read some of
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those and some of them are pretty extraordinary and the
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people who sent them deserve to be heard.
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Now with that said, some of the folks that had submitted stuff
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did ask me to change their name. So I have changed their name.
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So hopefully you'll know who you are even though I've changed
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your name to mask your identity. So segment one, let's talk about
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what we built and kind of the honest accounting.
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Let me tell you what this season was as I look back on it from
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the finish line. Now, I started as this as a kind
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of rabbit hole. Episode 1 was almost exactly
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that. Welcome to the rabbit hole.
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Here's the big names. Here are the independence.
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Here's why this hobby is deeper than you or I think it is.
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And it was an invitation. It was my first handshake to
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you. And then something happened that
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I didn't fully plan. The show got personal.
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Episode 3 The the watches that made me was the episode that I
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was honestly the most nervous about recording.
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Talking about my brother's Gucci G Chrono, for example.
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Talking about The Smiths that I wore when my son was born.
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The Grand Seiko that I wore when my middle daughter arrived, the
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Laurier I wore when my youngest came into the world, talking
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about the 2023 break in and what it actually felt like to come
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home to a collection that wasn't there anymore.
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And the. I was nervous because it was
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real. It was things that actually
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happened to people that I actually love, right?
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And I took a lot of blame for that.
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And something that I haven't shared with you is that I take
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blame for that because the people that came into our home,
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we're coming for something that I had and it violated the safety
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and security of my home because of my a hobby, right?
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If I wasn't somebody who that at the time was collecting more
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high end watches, you know, that wouldn't have opened the door
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for people to want to come into my home and take those things.
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And so I do still, and I still do take some to take, take
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responsibility for that. And there's some guilt as well
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there. And so I just, I don't take that
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lightly. Now the again, that watch the
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Gucci G Chrono, it showed up twice in the season, right?
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It showed up in episode 3. And it was the grief object, my
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brother's watch, the one that he gave me, the one I wore when I
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needed him close. And it was the heaviest version
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of that watch. It was the Udemonic version.
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It was the watch that was not a watch.
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At some point it became a person.
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And then in episode 5, kind of the fun episode, Mr. Jones
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studio underdogs, zealous, it came back and kind of my
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opening, it was the fun watch. It was the murdered out G
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Chrono, all black that the watch that I used to wear because it
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was outrageous and it made me smile and I didn't have to take
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myself too seriously. And honestly, when I wore it,
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especially around watch people, they kind of looked at it as
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like, oh, this dude doesn't know what he's doing, right?
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And it was the watch kind of that really was just this kind
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of reminder to just have a good time.
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And then again, it was the same watch, but it had two truths to
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it. And neither one really cancelled
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each other out. They just sort of coexisted in
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the same space at the same time, like a dual reality.
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And I realized after writing both of those episodes and
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sitting with what I had said, that the G Chrono is actually
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the best argument for this season about a edonia slash
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eudaimonia framework because it's both.
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It's the heaviest watch that I had owned at the time.
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It was also the most fun watch that I owned at the time.
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And those things were not in conflict with one another.
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They lived in the same space. They were literally in the same
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watch, same scratched up black bezel, the same, you know, dial
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that my brother had picked out. And that is the watch that can
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hold. I think all of that and it I
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didn't fully understand it until the season gave me the
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opportunity to verbalize it to you.
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So I hope that that made sense now as it's coming across now
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that as I was articulating it and writing it out, that the
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watch itself became something more.
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Even though I don't own it now. That was the episode, I think
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that changed the show for me because the response told me
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something that I hadn't been sure of, that there was this
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personal thread that the the why of this hobby seems to matter to
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actual humans who live in this space.
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It's not a detour from watch content.
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And what I realized was that real people listen to this.
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The bots that we have on Reddit and all these other social media
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platforms, the bots don't listen to audio podcasts.
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There's no incentive for them to go and put comments and hate.
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It's just real people. And So what I found is that as
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I've slowly migrated away from a lot of the social media
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platforms, this space is real people and real engagement.
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And what I've seen is a lot more engagement from a real personal
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perspective, not the prototypical stuff that you're
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going to find on all of these watch spaces where things are
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being pushed by either massive conglomerates or hate being
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pushed on one brand or another. Because and then you can fill in
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the blank with whatever bot is a program to say that week, right?
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And so again, that that episode or those episodes really changed
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the way that I viewed this space and what this podcast could
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become. It it became the center of it
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and everything else like the brands and the movement and the
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history, they became the vehicle.
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But the destination seems to now become, you know, this question
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of why does this object on your wrist mean something to you?
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And that's where I get to tell the stories.
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I get to tell the stories from people who are, you know, watch
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owners and designers and people who are fabricators, but then
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also who are brand owners who have their names on dials.
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They're not just making watches to sell watches.
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They're making watches because the objects themselves mean
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something to them and they want to share it with people.
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And I feel like that's where my connection is, is is this story
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that I get to tell these stories from all these watch brands.
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I get to tell these stories with you.
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And that's my way of sharing and kind of growing this space as
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well. And so once I understood that, I
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think the season kind of started to build itself.
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Now Episode 4 the the decoy decoy effect framework and
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episode 7's kind of security lecture kind of hard earned not
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theoretical. Episode 8 had the chop X story
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which gave me this chance to tell what what might be the best
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hidden story in modern horology. And the man who Co founded Patek
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Philippe for for example. And this fall out with a
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business partner and then was forgotten for like 146 years.
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You know, episode 9 and Dornbluth again, the quietest
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workshop I think I know of and and hot horology and a local
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educator who, you know, hand makes these presentation boxes
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one at a time from local wood. Episode 10.
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Obviously, you know that one Hedonia and you pneumonia and
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give the show kind of a philosophical language that I
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think we've used in episodes since.
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And then we get this 4 episode arc right.
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We get episodes 10 through 13. Rolex, Renault and Papi reshap
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the the arc that went from like the most recognized watch on
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earth to the most quietly perfect one.
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And that arc, the arc asked something.
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It asked what is the value of a watch that no one recognizes?
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And again, that's the value of this podcast, right?
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What's the value of this podcast that that no one's going to know
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and we are not I am not someone that has a massive platform.
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I do not have a, you know, social media presence.
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I don't have this huge website where I'm trying to sell you
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something. I'm just we're just telling
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stories here. And so that question, the idea
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of asking what is the value of a watch that no one recognizes?
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And then we work to try to answer that through the story of
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a boy from Kosovo who arrived in Geneva with nothing and ended up
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making some of the most extraordinary objects in modern
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watchmaking. And that arc is the best thing I
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think this season had produced released from my my perspective,
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I was the most proud of it. And episode 19 FP Jorn felt like
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the right kind of coda to that because Jorn trained Reshap and
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Jorn has his own story starts kind of they starting kind of
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the same place that Reshap does. A young person who was told
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implicitly they didn't belong in this world.
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They decided that they belonged anyways.
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And they, they spent decades building something to prove to
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that point. So the show went some places,
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you know, that I, I didn't expect as well.
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The, the tool watch episode, for example, 14 was this deliberate
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exhale after the weight of like the prior couple of episodes.
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And there was some clarifying stuff that happened as well.
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Talking about like a $5050 G shock right after spending an
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hour on recheck. That's the range of this hobby,
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$50.00 to $1,000,000 is what is it the part that makes this
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whole podcast work? The American watchmaking
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episode, episode 15? That surprised me too.
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I had no idea going in the the depth of the story of Jan
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Shapiro, for example, and I didn't know it was going to hit
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so hard. You know, a school principal who
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learned Guy O'Shea built 148 out of 180 components himself, who
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made the 1st 100% American watch in like over 50 years.
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That story has obsession and craft and national identity.
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It's the, the gap between what's possible and what's believed to
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be possible and, and truth as as someone who's an American, that
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the story touched me. And I, I pray, I hope, I pray
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that the stories that I tell, especially if you're someone
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who's in a different country and you're hearing the stories of
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some of these remarkable people in your space that might be just
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down the street from you, that these inspire you as well to be
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considering just being appreciative of their, their
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work and their, their craft. And I think that's that's
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something we should should be proud of, right?
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There's there's this moment where we can be proud of the
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people who are in our spaces. And again, the Japanese
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coverage, the Japan episodes of 16 and 17, they set up something
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that I think is going to be important for the show moving
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forward. Japan is the most
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underappreciated watch making country in the Western collector
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conversation. The Spring Drive is one of the
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most technically extraordinary movements I think that's ever
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been put in. A wristwatch is invented by a
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man who unfortunately passed away before it reached the
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market. Crador makes watches that
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compete with the finest Swiss watches and they're finishing in
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this simple 2 room studio in the mountains of Nagano.
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And again, they're not a budget alternative to Switzerland.
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This is a parallel tradition. I think that deserves parallel
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respect. And when we talk about
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finishing, I, I specifically did not talk about Grand Seiko
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polishing and Grand Seiko finishing and the idea video.
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Is it out to because that's been it's been discussed.
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And so the space that I have here is to hopefully uncover
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more and go deeper in episode 18, British watchmaking, I think
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had the emotional thread that I didn't realize it was going to
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have until I started to write it.
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And then when I when I was going through and rehearsing it, the
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The Smiths Everest, for example, the watch that appeared in
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episode 3, the watch that, you know, was on my wrist when my
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son was born. And then again, it pops up in
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18. It's the section about time
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factors, right? And this the season kind of
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coming full circle. That wasn't planned, but it just
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sort of felt right. And so that is season 1, right,
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20 episodes, five countries formally covered, a dozen
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referenced from G shock to FP Jorn, from Hedonia to
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Eudaimonia, from the watches that make you happy to the
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watches that make you you. And here's what I think I got
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right or I think we got right. We worked and I say we like, I
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have a mouse in my pocket, but we as in the collective, we, I,
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I treated you listeners as adults, you know, we don't
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apologize for getting complicated.
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We don't apologize if we didn't dumb things down at times and we
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didn't moralize, or at least we didn't try to.
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When we talked about Rolex, we gave Rolex genuine respect
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before we said anything more complicated.
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When we talk about tool watches, we don't sneer at them like
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they're the lesser category. When we talk about philosophy,
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we didn't. We did it because the philosophy
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was actually useful and not just because we wanted to sound
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smart. And I think we kept the the
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personal threat alive again. The breaking in 2023, the, the
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brother who passed away in 2009, whose, whose thoughts I still
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carry with me. You know, the births, the, the
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watches that mark those passages.
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The hobby is not about those things, but the hobby holds
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those things. And the watches are physical
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memory of that, that life lived. And I think here is the here's
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what I want to kind of get to. And I'm putting this on record
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because it's kind of a promise. We didn't finish my brother's
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watch story. The Gucci G Chrono appeared
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twice in the season, grief and episode 3 and then a little bit
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of joy in episode 5, and both were true, but neither is
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complete. The full episode, the one that
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sits kind of with this watch. That's kind of that's a little
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bit harder for me to say. It kind of deserves more time
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and that's still ahead some time.
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I don't know if it'll be in season 2 or sometime as a bonus
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episode or something, but it's there's more to say about that
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and I just have a hard time putting it into and I'm not
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ready to give it its full treatment, but I think I will be
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soon enough. So when I'm there in that
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episode comes up, I think it'll be one of the more personal
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things in this that this podcast will produce.
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But again, I don't know when that will.
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We didn't get to going on a deep dive of Philippe before the the
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name that has appeared in this show like more than any other.
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The man who's finishing technique, Cradors Micro artist
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Studios. They traveled to Switzerland to
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learn and who's watched the simplicity set the standard for
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modern watchmaking and modern movement fishing, who is again,
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by most serious accounts, the greatest living watchmaker.
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We keep circling and I keep circling him, but I'm hoping in
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season 2 I get to land that plane.
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We also didn't get to get into a deep dive of specific techniques
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like Guy O'Shea, Jay and Shapiro open the door to that in episode
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15, like a rose lathe engine or rose engine lathe.
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But the craft is disappearing unfortunately, and the few
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people that that are left that can do it.
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And so I think that that concept, the idea of finishing
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techniques and might deserve more attention.
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So maybe an episode on just just the finishing techniques.
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I don't know yet again, maybe season 2 will deliver that.
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We didn't get into a listener mail tradition properly yet.
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So today, tonight, whenever you're listening to this, this
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morning is going to be the beginning of that.
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But the community stories, I think deserve more than just a
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single episode. And so I'm hoping that I can
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build a tradition around that. But again, I don't know what
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that will look like. So maybe in season 2 there will
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be more of those. I think sometimes podcasters can
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overdo it with that kind of stuff.
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And I would pretty much prefer to just have content that you're
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really excited about as opposed to just me answering emails all
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the time or messages. And then there is, I think more
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there's more British independence.
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Like Rodger W Smith deserves more coverage, not just like a
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little segment. The Japanese indie watchmakers
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are their own world, their craft techniques, the grand Fu enamel,
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the Engelage, the hand bluing, their movement architectures.
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They deserve like, more attention.
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The watchmakers and their families, these generational
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stories of like the dorm Blues and the corner Felds and others
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like them, they deserve way deeper investigation that I
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could give them in small time that I have here.
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And season 2, I think is going to hopefully be bigger than
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Season 1 because season one has given us the foundation and the
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language and the framework and the community to go further.
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And I think what we needed was we needed Season 1 to be able to
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drive us into Season 2. Now that's the map.
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And now I'm going to get into, I think what the Q&A is going to
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look like. So let's call this segment to
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this this Get into the Listener Q&A.
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So before we get to the mail, I want to take some time with
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questions that have been coming across basically either via
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e-mail or in direct messages from some of the apps.
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So I want to take some time with questions that have been coming
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in, and I've been sitting with some of them because I wanted to
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give them a real answer versus like the quick immediate answer.
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So here's some of those now. OK, so the first one question #1
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restay, do you have a grail watch?
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OK, So that's a good question. The honest answer is not in the
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way that the hobby usually means it.
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So I'm not like lying awake at night dreaming of a specific
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reference from a specific manufacturer.
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I'm not maintaining like a mental waiting list.
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If that's like a grail, then then no, I don't have that.
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But if you ask me what I've always wanted, what would feel
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like the thing I've been moving towards, the answer is something
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that I've never actually seen made.
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It's something that doesn't exist again, you know, I own a
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World War 2 era Zenith. It's worn, it's honest, it has
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radium on the dial that I love the look of and no longer really
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wear for some pretty obvious reasons.
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I will occasionally wear it and I've had this idea for years and
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years of making a watch, not like a collection of watches,
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not a brand, something way more intentional than that.
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Just like a single piece or very small run, maybe 5, that takes
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everything from that zenith as a direct point of inspiration.
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The proportions, the aesthetic, even the worn aesthetic, the
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look of it and the feeling that this object has that it's been
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somewhere and it's done something.
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So the dial would be manually distressed.
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Like no artificial aging in the way that the the word sometimes
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gets used to mean like faked or faux, but like deliberately
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worked like by hand to carry the same, you know, quality that
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that radium dial had, but in a safer way.
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And this sense that the time has moved across it and it's left
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this mark. So it'd be warm, but it would be
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imperfect in all the right ways. And the watch dial would be
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honest. The movement, and this is the
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part that I've thought the most about, would be sourced from
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something like Voucher or Voodoo Line.
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In it would be either a. Manual wind or a micro rotor,
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because if you're going to build something like this with like
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real intention behind it, that movement that has to match the
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dial saying, I think someone like Kari or the folks at
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Voucher, I think their movements are by by most accounts, the
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finest that you can, that you can get.
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And being able to be connected to like Kari in Finland or even
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Porstelina over in in his shop in Switzerland, that would be
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that would be fantastic. And so or even just connecting
20:47
to to voucher and being able to run a micro rotor.
20:50
I think that would be a serious, serious movement in a watch that
20:52
was really personal to me. And then the name, the name on
20:54
the dial, it would be my son's, not not mine.
20:56
It would be his because the, the watch that I wore the day that
20:59
he was born that Smith's Everett's, you know, it's made
21:02
its way into the show and it tells you something.
21:04
The idea of making something that carries forward his name
21:07
would carry forward and that he might wear it someday or hold it
21:10
or maybe hand it to someone that he loves.
21:12
And that would be the closest thing I, I think, I guess I have
21:14
to a grail. So not a specific model or a
21:17
manufacturer's catalog, something that really doesn't
21:19
exist, something that that I would have to make.
21:22
But I guess that's the grail. It's not a watch that I can
21:24
point to. It's a watch that I would have
21:26
to specifically build some that that would be that would be
21:29
that, if that makes sense. Question two, you don't you
21:31
don't really cover the big brands, Tudor, Cartier, Bashran,
21:36
Constantine, Richard Meal, Rashard Meal.
21:39
Any plans to possibly. I don't want to be dismissive
21:41
about any of those names. Like they're all serious
21:43
watchmakers in their own right and they all they have real
21:47
stories to tell each of them. But here's kind of where I land,
21:49
I guess on this, honestly. Like those brands already have
21:52
ambassadors. They have like marketing
21:54
department, like departments and social teams and they have like
21:57
event budgets and they have like relationships with like media
22:00
outlets that that audiences. You know, there are there are
22:03
many times the size of like this one.
22:05
Obviously they have no shortage of like platforms that are
22:07
willing to shine light on what they're doing.
22:09
And so they are by like, I guess any readers reasonable measure,
22:13
they're already well covered. So what I found and I think the
22:15
show has slowly been building towards is at the corners of
22:19
this market that are genuinely quiet are also often kind of the
22:23
most extraordinary. So like the workshop with 9
22:25
people and a breakfast table. Dornbluth, right?
22:29
The the watchmaker in Kosovo who arrived in Geneva with nothing
22:32
and made something that the world had never seen.
22:34
The school principal in America who learned to operate a rose
22:37
engine lathe because nobody else was doing it.
22:39
You know, what about FP Jorn and the fact that he wanted a tour
22:42
beyond but but couldn't afford 1.
22:44
You know, the islands there there's there's craft.
22:47
And so there's this is obsession.
22:49
And I think a lot of that occurs without any press releases,
22:52
without any waiting lists that are managed by algorithms.
22:55
And there's a lot of machinery that I think there's a lot of
22:59
machinery behind some of these releases that we see from these
23:02
monster brands. And there's like celebrity
23:04
endorsements and there's athletes that are paid to wear
23:07
them and that kind of stuff. And, you know, this platform is
23:10
small, and I know that, but I've come to believe that that small
23:14
is, you know, if it's dedicated and has a particular kind of
23:18
usefulness to it. And it can go where the bigger
23:21
ones can't or won't or choose not to.
23:24
So this podcast can sit with a story long enough to properly
23:27
tell it. And it can be a voice for people
23:29
and projects that don't have one.
23:31
And that's what I hope the show is.
23:32
And I think, I think it's hard if I, if I'm being honest, if
23:37
I'm spending my episodes on the names that have already done
23:40
something, then I'm wasting time and space and I'm wasting your
23:44
attention span on things that that you probably already know.
23:47
Now, again, there are tons of other folks out there on YouTube
23:50
that you can go say you purchased a Santos, which is an
23:53
awesome watch and you need just affirmation that it's a good
23:56
watch. You can go to you can go to
23:58
YouTube and they'll give you that affirmation, right?
24:00
But if you want to know about alternatives or smaller micro
24:04
indie brands that that might be doing something similar for less
24:07
than 7 or $8000, maybe this is more of the space, right?
24:10
Or maybe you have all of those and you just come here to hear
24:13
the stories that you've never heard before.
24:14
And so I guess probably I'm not going to be the big editorial
24:18
focus ever. I I will not be Fratello.
24:21
That's not my goal. My, my goal isn't to be anywhere
24:24
in those spaces. My goal is to be in a completely
24:26
different space. The world of watchmaking, yes,
24:29
but, and I don't want to be disrespectful.
24:32
Those places are amazing. Fratello worn and wound.
24:35
All those podcasts are remarkable and they, they serve
24:38
such an amazing section of this community.
24:40
But my goal is to not be like them.
24:43
My goal is to to be different and I hope that's why that's why
24:46
you're listening. So again, I guess it's just me
24:48
trying to be genuine and the fact that I'm listening to and
24:51
what I'm most interested about. If I'm being honest and I'm
24:54
being a little selfish, I'm more fascinated by brands that no one
24:57
talks about. And so I guess that would be my
24:59
answer to that question. Probably no major Richard meal
25:02
coverage. Question three.
25:04
What did you learn the most while making season 1?
25:08
Oh boy, I haven't thought about this one for a bit.
25:10
And I have some notes on this one because I peeked at some of
25:13
my questions, but here's here's a big one.
25:15
So the honest answer is, I guess the the skills that I brought to
25:18
this from like years of academic research, they translate pretty
25:21
well in some expected ways and then way worse than others.
25:25
So doing homework and stuff like research habits, going to
25:28
primary sources and then being skeptical of like some received
25:32
wisdom. Those kind of follow this
25:34
thread, meaning that you know, when you pull a string on a
25:36
research or you're trying to gather information, when you
25:38
pull something, you can kind of get more layers and you start to
25:40
pull some stuff out. So those have been genuinely
25:42
useful. And I think the episodes that
25:44
I'm like most proudest or the most proudest, the proudest ones
25:47
are the ones where I dug past the story and really told what
25:51
was underneath all of it. And so I think that's like the
25:54
stories of Chopic and Dorn Bluth and even Jan Shapiro, they, they
25:58
came from that kind of that research instinct.
25:59
I guess now what I did not anticipate is how consistently
26:03
my technological shortcomings would manage to find me the
26:07
audio editing software that I was convinced I understood
26:11
until, you know, I wasn't the file formats that disagreed with
26:15
me in the worst possible moments.
26:17
The quiet and habitually persistent gap of what I know
26:21
should the the what I what this show should sound like and how I
26:25
actually try to make it sound or completely different.
26:27
They are sometimes incongruent with one another.
26:30
And when you hear my voice is raspy in some of the episodes,
26:33
it's because it's the third or fourth time that I've recorded
26:36
it because, you know, audio was lost.
26:38
And there's this kind of particular kind of humility, I
26:41
think that comes from being genuine incompetent in one
26:44
domain and genuinely, my goodness, outmatched in an
26:47
adjacent one. And I've been collecting that
26:50
humility 1 episode at a time for 20 episodes.
26:53
And I don't, I do not claim to know everything about every
26:57
single brand. What I claim to be is curious
27:00
about brands that people don't know about.
27:03
And as a result, I do homework on them and I try to gather as
27:06
much information as they can. But in some instances, you know,
27:09
if I'm, if I'm gathering information on a brand, then
27:11
there's a second or third layer deep I'm guessing on how to
27:14
pronounce a name because I can't find information on how to
27:16
pronounce your name properly. And I think I'm better at some
27:19
of the stuff now than I was in episode 1.
27:21
And I think in some some respects, I'm worse at some
27:23
things that it wasn't episode 1. So I expect to be better still
27:27
hopefully by the end of season 2.
27:28
But again, always growing and learning and, and just trying to
27:32
try to be a genuine person. So I guess that's probably maybe
27:34
the most honest version of what kind of learning looks like is
27:37
that. But I'm I'm open to suggestions
27:39
and I'm habitually trying to get better.
27:40
OK, I hope that made sense. Question 4.
27:43
Do you plan on expanding the podcast, social media, paid
27:46
content, all of that? Short answer, no, no, no, no.
27:50
I, I want to play it, say this is a guest plainly as possible
27:53
without dressing it up too much because I think the cleaner I
27:55
am, the more it's going to mean I've been fortunate.
27:58
I didn't grow up fortunate. We had a very bumpy start to my
28:02
world. But I've made my money doing
28:05
other things. And that means that this podcast
28:07
doesn't have to be a business. It gets to be what it is.
28:09
It's a, it's a passion. I make this because I love
28:13
making it for an audience that that I respect.
28:15
And I don't know if you've ever heard that before, but from
28:18
someone on this side of the computer and this side of the,
28:21
the microphone saying it to you on your speakers, I respect you
28:25
as an audience. I respect you as an individual.
28:28
And I respect the subject so much that I, I can't stop
28:31
thinking about it. And that's a genuinely rare
28:33
position to be in. So I don't take it lightly.
28:36
I am, I stay up late, I wake up early, I do homework on this
28:39
stuff because I'm passionate about it and I enjoy it and I
28:41
want to share it with the world. But I specifically want to share
28:45
it one-on-one with you. And I feel like a podcast is the
28:47
most beautiful way to do that because essentially it's just,
28:49
it's just you and I. And what that means practically
28:52
is, yeah, no paid newsletter, no insider content, no tier system
28:57
where the people who pay more get more access to a version of
29:01
the show that doesn't that the rest of the people don't.
29:04
I want this to be free, completely straightforward, free
29:08
as long as I can, as long as I'm able to make it.
29:10
That's the goal. Now with some of you, if you're
29:12
watching it or listening to it on certain platforms, they have
29:16
ads. Those ads do not pay me.
29:18
So if you go to like iHeartRadio, which is one of the
29:20
platforms we're on and there's an ad that runs at the front
29:22
end, that is not me. I'm not getting like clicks for
29:25
that. That's just the platform putting
29:27
in their own ads beforehand. So maybe switch to another
29:29
platform. You go to Google or Amazon or
29:32
YouTube or Spotify or whatever, right?
29:34
Spotify is where I typically load all of this stuff into
29:37
first and so that's usually the one that's uploaded and the most
29:40
the most up to date, the fastest other ones are pulling RSS feeds
29:43
from that from that hub of of Spotify.
29:47
OK, so free as long as I can make it and make it honestly.
29:50
So again, I'm going to be honest, I find right here, I'm
29:53
going to get myself in trouble, but I'm going to do it anyways
29:55
because, because, because I love you.
29:57
I find a lot of the paid content models in the space genuinely
29:59
frustrating, not because the people running them are wrong to
30:02
do it. I, I respect them.
30:04
They're, they're great if it's someone's livelihood.
30:07
The calculus is completely different and I respect that.
30:10
But when I think of when I think paywalls have, OK, so because I
30:15
think paywalls have this way of quietly changing what gets made
30:19
when you're accountable to a subscriber base, the pressure to
30:23
produce consistently, to optimize, to build an audience
30:26
that converts that pressure is real.
30:29
And it shapes things in the way that sometimes is invisible
30:34
until you're too far into course, correct?
30:36
And the way that I can explain that is when you see YouTube
30:39
click bait and you see their faces are kind of like shocked
30:42
in awe. And then it's like Rolex blah
30:45
blah blah blah blah or tutor blah blah blah blah, or the fill
30:47
in the blank killer watch, right?
30:49
Whatever it is, their goal is to get you to click on stuff.
30:53
And and I genuinely wonder if these folks would be more
30:56
passionate and excited about talking about something as
30:59
opposed to just a ranking tier list of like the watches.
31:01
I love the watches. I hate The Who blow rankings of
31:03
whatever. Like like in the end, like who
31:05
cares? Who cares?
31:07
What I would rather ask a question about is, and I know
31:09
you've made these videos for five years or whatever and they
31:12
get 1,000,000 views, but like, what's the watch that you wore
31:15
when you got married? Tell me that story.
31:17
It was were your were your parents or your grandfather into
31:20
watches? Oh, what did they wear?
31:21
That's that's what I want to hear.
31:23
And I think it was really funny is when you meet some of these
31:25
people in real life, they don't give you the rankings.
31:28
They don't do all that stuff that gets a million views.
31:30
They sit down with you and you have a real conversation about
31:32
the watts that's on your wrist and they look at it and they go,
31:35
Oh, like, explain to me what what watch is that?
31:38
Oh, is that it? And then you fill in the blank
31:40
with whatever the story is. And then you get to know real
31:42
people and all of that business modeling gets pushed aside and
31:47
we get to the conversation that I think we're having here, which
31:49
is genuine. And so again, I want this show
31:51
to be a genuine representation of this space, a place where the
31:55
unusual stories get told at length in the length that they
31:59
deserve. And where, you know, the
32:00
watchmaker with nine people in his workshop gets the same
32:03
attention as the one with 1000 person wait list where you know,
32:06
I don't have to make something content friendly if it's not
32:10
because, you know, the only person I'm accountable to is the
32:13
listener. And the only currency that I'm
32:15
trading in is your time and your trust.
32:18
And so why would I, why would I sell that out?
32:20
And so my, my goal here is as we go through and we cover this
32:23
material, if you enjoy it, then you continue to listen.
32:25
If you feel like I've sold out, then you stop listening.
32:28
And my goal here is to never sell myself out.
32:30
And so then ideally I never sell you out.
32:32
And I think when when you're working at this and I think you
32:35
can't really honor listener from behind a paywall.
32:39
And so no, and and I mean it, as long as I can do this for free,
32:42
I will continue to make these for free.
32:44
OK, Segment 3, the listener mail section.
32:47
OK, here, here we go. OK, so here, here are here's
32:54
here's my stuff. OK, I'm going to get into the
32:55
section right now. OK, letter on.
32:58
We're going to change this name to Marcus.
33:01
You'll know who you are because you're in Portland.
33:03
All right, so watch Offski. I'm 34, got into watches three
33:08
years ago. By the time episode 10 dropped,
33:11
I had 9 watches in a drawer and I genuinely could not have told
33:14
you why. I own most of them.
33:16
I sat down after listening with a piece of paper and went
33:18
through them 1 by 1. Two of them are hedonic, and I
33:22
love them. Studio Underdog Watermelon that
33:24
came after that episode. Yeah, you sold me.
33:26
I'm not strong. Sorry about that, dude.
33:28
Sorry about your wallet. And a vintage Casio A158 W 15-A
33:34
W suite. I worn that since college.
33:36
Awesome. Two of them.
33:37
Are you demonic? My grandfathers Bulova Accutron
33:40
from the 1960s that I had restored and a Hamilton khaki
33:44
field I bought on the day of my divorce.
33:47
On the on the day my divorce was finalized because I wanted to
33:50
start over and wearing something simple and honest.
33:52
The other five I sold within two months of listening.
33:55
Here's the part I want to share with you.
33:57
The five I sold were all watches that some YouTube I respected
34:01
told me I needed. All in caps.
34:03
A Tudor BlackBerry 58 and Oris Aquas, a Hamilton Intramatic
34:07
along with Jean Spirit and a Seiko Alpinist.
34:09
All awesome watches, by the way. I yeah, they literally say that
34:13
next. Every single one is a great
34:14
watch. Every single one was on me
34:17
awesome. But it's a watch that I had no
34:18
relationship to. Now I'm back down to 4 watches.
34:21
I wear them all. The Heatron is on my wrist as I
34:24
write this. I have not been this happy with
34:27
my collection since I started. The framework worked.
34:29
I owe you a beer. Thanks to the season, Marcus.
34:32
Yeah, no, no beers needed. I don't drink a whole lot.
34:35
We have a lineage of Alcoholics in my family.
34:37
So. So probably root beer for me.
34:39
But yeah. Awesome.
34:40
I appreciate that. Thank you.
34:41
Thank you for that. And I know your name is not
34:43
Marcus. I know what your real name is,
34:45
but in Portland, OR. Thanks, brother.
34:46
I appreciate that. OK, so let me let me give you my
34:49
kind of humble response to, to that.
34:52
So well, one, thank you for the letter.
34:55
I just want to say a couple of things.
34:56
I have some, some notes here as well.
34:58
So first one, you didn't need to sell any of those 5 watches.
35:01
The the people who told you, you, you probably didn't need
35:04
theirs either. I guess they they're further
35:06
along kind of the same pattern. So please don't beat yourself up
35:08
on the cells. I think that the system I think
35:11
works. You bought, you wore, you sat
35:12
down with them, you noticed that they weren't yours and you let
35:15
them go. That's, that's like a healthy
35:16
collector. Second that Accutron the 1960's
35:20
the tuning fork. I'm assuming it's a tuning fork.
35:22
Bilova that movement with that like hum, I think I'm assuming
35:26
that yours hums. It makes 1 of like the most
35:28
beautifully strange pieces of like mid century watchmaking.
35:31
That's that's rad. The fact that it was your
35:33
grandfather's is is cool. And the fact that you had it
35:35
restored rather than just letting it sit in like a dead
35:37
drawer. That's like the entire game.
35:39
So one, I would want to know who restored it for you, because I,
35:42
I'd, I'd love to pick up one of those that is like an you, don't
35:46
you demonic watching like the deepest sense possible.
35:48
So congratulations for that. And, and wear it where with
35:50
pride 4 watches, like all worn and all meaningful.
35:54
That's like a, that's not a beginner collection.
35:55
That's like most people in this hobby are trying to get back to
35:58
you and like, you're already there.
35:59
So if you can just stay there, that would be awesome.
36:00
And again, you don't owe me a beer.
36:01
Just just wear that Accutron proudly.
36:03
And if you, if you do have someone that, that restores that
36:06
you know of that can restore those watches that be awesome to
36:08
share with me too. OK, let's move to we have her
36:10
listed as Sarah and Edinburgh. Edinburgh, Scotland.
36:15
I didn't realize we had listeners in Scotland.
36:17
Hi Wachovsky. I'm writing because I'm the
36:19
friend in the Rolex episode. Awesome.
36:22
The one who wants the submariner.
36:24
Here's the context. My dad wore a no date sub for 30
36:27
years. He died in 2022.
36:29
I'm sorry to hear that. I have his watch.
36:32
It's in a safe deposit box because I'm not ready to wear it
36:35
yet, but I have it. I want to say I want my
36:38
submariner. I want my own submariner, not to
36:41
replace his, not because of some prestige reason, because when I
36:46
wear one eventually on my wrist, I will feel like I'm carrying
36:49
forward something that mattered to him.
36:51
I get that. My boyfriend is a watch guy.
36:54
Yeah, I apologize to you for that.
36:56
When I told you, when I told him I was thinking about buying one,
36:59
his immediate response was, have you considered a Tudor Black Bay
37:01
58? Same lineage, much better value.
37:04
That's all in quotations. I love him.
37:06
He's a good man. He also.
37:08
He is also, by your framework, the snob.
37:10
Bless him. Anyway, I am going to my AD next
37:13
month to put my name on the list.
37:15
I just wanted to thank you for giving me the language to
37:17
explain it to him without it sounding like an accusation that
37:21
I'm not buying a Rolex because I don't know about Tudor.
37:24
I'm buying a Rolex because of my dad.
37:26
He listened to the opposite the episode last night I sent to
37:30
him. He apologized this morning.
37:31
He's coming to the AD with me. Wow, such a good man.
37:35
Sarah. OK Sarah.
37:37
In Scotland I can't. I should have read that in a
37:40
sky. Cannot read that in a Scottish
37:41
accent. I want to say two things to you
37:43
and then one thing to your boyfriend, which is weird, but
37:47
whatever to you, I think your dad would be proud.
37:50
I've never met him. I've never seen the watch.
37:52
I know nothing about your family beyond like this letter that you
37:56
wrote, and I'm completely certain that that I just I'm I'm
38:00
connected to you in a way because I lost both of my a no
38:03
date sub for like 30 years. Is the watch of a man who picked
38:06
one thing and then let it become a part of them.
38:09
And the fact that you want to carry that forward with your own
38:11
sub, unlike your own wrist, it's like exactly the kind of
38:14
decision that this hobby does, it exists for.
38:17
So I would say as much as you're excited, I would say don't rush
38:20
it. When you're ready to wear his,
38:22
you'll know. And until then, I think you're
38:25
you're in your own right to kind of to start at your own pace.
38:28
And so to use Second, I think the sub that you order from your
38:31
AD will be a brand new watch, like a new case, new bracelet,
38:35
new dial, but it's not going to be new for real.
38:38
It's going to be the next chapter and something that
38:40
started well before you were born.
38:42
So wear it knowing that even though it's a brand new watch,
38:45
it's it's a lineage watch. It's another link and I guess to
38:47
your boyfriend. Well done, mate.
38:49
The apology the next morning is like the move that separates
38:52
like a good watch friend from a great watch friend.
38:55
And it's also the separation of like a good, you know, boyfriend
38:58
to a great boyfriend. I just you know, I don't know
39:01
how long guys have been together, but maybe and make an
39:02
honest to woman out of her. Sorry, sorry, did I sound like a
39:05
parent there for a second? I apologize.
39:06
So the fact that you're going to going to go to the AD with her,
39:09
I think if that's the move that's going to that's going to
39:12
make you into a great partner as well as is just being
39:14
supportive. So that's cool.
39:15
So I guess folks take take notes from this this boyfriend and
39:19
Sarah, thanks for the letter and send me a picture from the
39:21
boutique. That'd be cool.
39:22
OK, let's go to this next one. This one's coming from Canada.
39:29
This is Daniel from Toronto Wachovsky.
39:32
I am Canadian. I've lived in, lived in London.
39:35
OK, So is this coming from Canada or is this coming from it
39:38
says Canada. I'm Canadian who lived in London
39:41
for 10 years came back to OK there we go.
39:42
I got to read the whole I came back to Toronto in 2019 with two
39:45
suitcases and three watches. One of those watches is a
39:48
Smith's Everest that I bought at time factors.
39:51
Your episode 18 made me dig into Smith's more and dig out dig it
39:55
out of the drawer where it's been living since 2022.
39:58
I put it on this morning and I'm wearing it as I typed this and I
40:01
just want to say two things. One.
40:03
I'd completely forgotten how light this watch is.
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The proportions on a Smiths are perfect for a small ish watch.
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I stopped wearing it because I was buying better watches and I
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forgot that. And this is going to use quotes
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that better is not actually what watches are for.
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Two. I cried a little when you said
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that The Smiths was the watch you wore when your son was born.
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I have a son, he's 6. Mine just turned 7.
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I have not. I have not held him as much as I
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want to in the last six months because I'm working too much.
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I'm going to to fix that today. The Smiths reminded me of that.
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Thanks for the season. The show is doing real things in
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real lives. Don't ask, don't underestimate
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that. Daniel.
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OK, Daniel in Toronto. Toronto.
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And by by way, I guess of Toronto, by way of London
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back-to-back to Canada. I'm not going to say much.
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I think your letter kind of says everything where The Smiths and
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hold your son. Those moments with kids,
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especially at that age when they're small and loving and
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kind and the whole world is open to them.
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I think sometimes people throw those away when they're stuck on
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their phones. And so we have a rule kind of in
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our house that if you're outside and you're playing with the kids
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or it's time for Legos or whatever it is that the phones
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get put away and we do that dinner.
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We do that all the time. So those moments don't get they
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don't, you don't get those back. And I think if you spend your
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time working and trying to support, I know that a lot of
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just have to do that to put food on the table.
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But when we get those moments with our kids, we should be
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present. And I think no better way of
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knowing that is to put the phone away and not have those
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connections. And if you want to have a
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connection, then you have your watch that's telling you the
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time and that's all it tells you.
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So again, we're The Smiths hold your son.
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And you know, the watch is going to remind us to do things that
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that we've always known that we should have been doing, but we
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stopped doing. That's the entire purpose.
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Like it's the whole idea what I say at the end, which is where
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something good. And it's always meant that your
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son is 6. Again, my mind is a little bit
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older. He just turned 7.
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But I remember him at 2:00 and 3:00 and 4:00 and 5:00 and 6:00.
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And then those are the ages that like every single thing that you
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do with him is being filled in this, his memory, whether you
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you know it or not. And he will not remember most of
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this consciously, but he's going to remember all of it in his
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body. And you wrote me a letter today.
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So go, you know, close the laptop where The Smiths go find
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him. Just know I'm proud of you and I
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think the watches are doing their job.
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So that's that's pretty kind. OK, let's see where we are now.
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This is from, I hope that answered your question, by the
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way, or response to your letter. OK, next one we're going to go
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to this one's coming. Where did it go?
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OK, this is it looks like Aisha. Aisha from Lagos, Nigeria.
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Lagos, Lagos, Nigeria. That's interesting.
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I don't have on my data. It doesn't.
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You must be behind like AVPN or something.
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Good for you for hiding your your specific location in line
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to all of that software that tries to track your location.
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Hello, Reese Day. I want to I write, I want to
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write to you because I think you may not realize how far your
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show reaches. I'm 28.
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I live in Lagos, I'm a software engineer, I work for a fintech
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company and started listening to your podcast when a colleague of
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mine who lives in London sent me episode 1 and said you will like
43:08
this man. He was right.
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I do not own a mechanical watch. I have an Apple Watch and a
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Casio Quartz. I cannot afford the watches you
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talk about and may never be able to afford them.
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I want to be clear about that. This is not a sob story, this is
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just my contacts, but I want to tell you what this is.
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This the show is not about watches for me.
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It's about how someone can love a thing so much.
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I love software the way you love watches.
43:34
The episode about Dornbluth, the workshop with the nine people in
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the breakfast meeting and the man who makes the handmade
43:41
boxes. I listened to that episode 4
43:43
times. That's good.
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You probably gave me all, all of those clicks.
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Thanks for that. Not because I wanted to buy a
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Dornbluth, because the shop is what I want my engineering team
43:53
to feel like one day when I have my own company.
43:56
The episode about Chopic, the part where the six year old
43:59
emailed them, that's, that's my kid by the way, and they wrote
44:02
back. I sent that episode to my
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mother. She does not know anything about
44:06
watches and she loved it. Thank you for making something
44:09
that travels this far. The people in Lagos are
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listening. There are people in other places
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that go further than Lagos is listening as well.
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We may never buy any of the watches but we are here.
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Aisha that is. That is a crazy, crazy story
44:24
man. I don't have to how to respond
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to that. I guess here's the first thing I
44:28
want to say. You, I guess you belong here.
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I didn't realize that we had listeners that were not in the
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watch space. I will say that you belong in
44:34
the hobby 100%. The hobby of watches, I guess
44:37
has nothing to do with whether you own a mechanical watch.
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The hobby is kind of the love of a thing or the love of a craft
44:44
or intention. And I guess it's the work that
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we do because it matters to the person doing it.
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I guess you said it yourself, right?
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You love software. I guess that the way that I love
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watches and I guess that's the same love, it's a different
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object, but the relationship I guess is the same.
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And the fact that you listen to the dorm booth episode like 4
45:00
times and what you took from it is that that's what you want
45:04
your engineering team to feel like one day is, is that's
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awesome. And I think it's the most
45:08
important sentence that like anyone's written to me.
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The dorm booth workshop, it's really not about watches, not
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not it's I think it's really more about the way that people
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work. Like 9 people dining table,
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morning meetings, take care of the boxes.
45:20
It's like a value system. And I think that's portable.
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It can be applied to software companies.
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It could probably be applied to restaurants.
45:26
It can be applied to like a group of people when they decide
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to do something together. Well, so when you build your
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company and and I'm I'm saying when, not if, but when you build
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it because you wrote me the you know, this letter.
45:38
Maybe you remember the breakfast.
45:39
Remember those details of the specifics about how dorm booth
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makes her watches. And maybe the breakfast is the
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company. The breakfast is the value that
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makes it visible when you start to work with your team.
45:49
Maybe that'll be your morning huddles will be over breaking
45:51
bread. And I guess tell your mom.
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Thanks for listening to the topic episode with the the six
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year old. That's my kid who's now 7.
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I'll I'll tell my kiddo that a mom in Lagos heard his story
46:04
about the diver sketch and the kid, you know, my kids going to
46:07
lose his mind probably. So I guess you're welcome.
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But also I think I'm more thankful than I am saying you're
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welcome. I guess you're the kind of
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person that I didn't even realize this show was for.
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And so I guess send the next letter whatever you want.
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I guess we're listening. So that's that's pretty rad.
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I've got a couple of other ones here, but I'm going to I'm going
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to stop there because I don't know if I can beat that, that
46:25
letter. So goodness gracious that that
46:27
one kind of pulled in my heart string.
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OK, So I guess thank you. Thank you for an awesome season.
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Thank you for being kind and compassionate and listening to
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all of this stuff. And thanks for just just being
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here for the entire journey. I'm I'm excited to see you all
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in season 2. So that's been what's on your
46:44
rese day. Welcome to another end of this
46:47
episode, but then also the beginning of what's going to be
46:49
hopefully season 2. Have a great summer or winter or
46:52
fall, I guess whenever you're listening to this thing.
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All right, see you later. Where's something good?
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Hey.